It could be worse. You could have been caught in a Typhon Expanse for 90 years like Captain Morgan Bateson and his crew abroad USS Bozeman until you almost crashed with the Enterprise-D and got rescued...
@@Tylerjb123100 No I think that the crew of the UUS Bozeman had it worse than Andromeda. You get trapped in a time loop and your navigator brakes the 1st rule of driving anything, "don't crash!" Then of course the crew of the USS Bozeman finds out that they are 90 years in the future. The only way you'll ever see another member of your family again is that if you have an infant, if you're lucky your child is now in their early 90s. That's why the crew of the USS Bozeman had it worse than the Andromeda crew
@@alexmcintyre8229 Technically, the Andromeda crew had it worse because they evacuated prior to the black hole and were probably all killed or captured. The only one left alive, Hunt, comes back to see the nation destroyed and galactic civilization along with it.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 She didn't survive long after this conversation. I assume the shock from the news took a toll on her body and then the head injury when the Klingons torpedoed the-D was the final straw that finally killed her.
TNG's finest episode, even better than Best of Both Worlds. Essentially a 40 minute feature film....and probably would have been the plot of Generations had it not been used here
I would put this episode near the top myself if not for the whole Tasha redemption arc. Denise Crosby did not deserve it. She thought she was bigger than what she was and left. Smacking her out of existence was fine. The character and especially the actress didn't deserve a mulligan.
@@Fektthisto be fair, TNG didn’t do the best job at fleshing out it’s female characters. Sure Troi got some fleshing out, partially due to her mother swinging by for the occasional visit and her on again off again thing with Riker, but people still joke about Beverly and sex with ghosts because they didn’t do much to flesh out her character other than she had a son, she was a widow and there was an on again off again thing with Picard … somehow those things worked to help flesh out Troi but didn’t work for Beverly. Beverly and ghost sex is a large part of what we have for her (that and the whole “she may be a secret weed fiend” thing)
(Picard "accidentally" fires a torpedo at the Enterprise C, destroying it) "Aww shoot, thats a shame. Well, looks like we are stuck with this timeline now."
this was what guinan said in one of the books where a Q entity had gone mad and it resulted in 3 sepreate timelines, including one where wesleys dad lived but unfortunately resulted in the death of wesley as a child
I really love TNG, but the whole kids on the ship thing was a gross misstep. Even if the ship is for "peace" and exploration, you don't put children onboard a ship that is going into unknown situations. It would be like putting kids on an experimental aircraft or submarine. Sure enough, everyone onboard the Yamato (assuming the demographics are similar to the Enterprise as she was a sister ship) was killed. Not through overt hostile action, but by an unintentional computer virus. At no point during TNG does anyone seem to ask "does anyone think we ought to have only qualified personnel onboard?"
@@kev3d I mean the kids have an obvious purpose being there, its so the crew don't have to leave their families. If the ship goes missing or gets lost, those are entire families broken up. Imagine a ship being lost far , far out into space. The crewmates would be deveastated because theyll miss out on their families lives and vice versa. Morale is pretty goddamn important especially in situations like that. Crewmates who cant stop thinking about whether or not they can see their kid's high school graduation or visit their sick wife are ones who might not be of much use.
Counterpoint: imagine seeing a dangerous space anomaly or making first contact with a hostile species, and your first thought is “I hope my 5yr-old son on Deck 15 is safe”. It’s terribly distracting when you have to focus on your job.
@@kev3d I think they did say that bringing your family on board is fully voluntarily and every crew member that does that is aware of the risks. The reasoning probably being that having your kids around instead of them being somewhere far distant is probably better for the overall mentality of the crewmembers. And knowing that your five year old son on deck 15 is there might even further inspire you to do your damndest that the ship survives. Also, these are Starfleet officers. They have been trained and prepared to remain calm and focused on their tasks, even under personal stress. Its especially the destruction of the Yamato where Westley asks Riker and Geordi how they just can be so calm and their response was along the lines of "Its not that we don't give a shit. But we have to focus on our work now."
The sick bay scene was great. The camera at first is almost like it's from Captain Garrett's point of view. Just coming into consciousness, looking around at an unfamiliar room. Picard walks in, takes a moment to observe the room. He looks at Crusher, she meets his eye, then both turn to Garrett. Pure gold.
I also liked the military chatter over the intercom, further separating it from the normal timeline. Actually makes it feel more like a military vessel.
Surprised Cpt Garret didn't know of Picard's name. 22 years prior is when Picard was already of legendary status with his Stargazer missions. And this was a timeline divergence, not a parallel or mirror universe, so the events that took place up to this pivotal point is what caused the timeline change (the entire premise of the episode). Seems like a writing blunder to me. Should've been like "I am captain Jean-Luc Picard" then Garret saying, "As in the Stargazer? This is the Stargazer? I thought your ship was much smaller, Captain, forgive me, and you look older than I recall in the news articles I've seen of you" The writers seemed to have misjudged how short of time is with 22 years when it comes to vessel captains and their earned status. Picard WAS a captain 22 years ago, not some fresh ensign out of the academy.
Nothing against Beverly and yes, the focus was supposed to be on Tasha being there... But wouldn't it have been fun to see a grizzled, ornery doctor Pulaski in charge of sickbay?
The awful producer whose actions prompted Gates McFadden to quit at the end of S1 was later fired for a different case of sexual misconduct, so Gates agreed to return to the series from S3 onwards.
Story wise, it would have been great. Say Dr Crusher died early in the war, that would add to the tension on Picard. I don't know about the cast hating her but Diana Muldar holds a unique place in Star Trek. She's the only regular cast member of a later series to have appeared on the original Star Trek series.
LoL yep. People's minds would melt, facing all at once the news of everything that happened between 2000 and 2022: the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Afghanistan War, Iraq War, 8 years of hyper-competent Obama the first black U.S. President, 4 years of defiantly incompetent Trump the first openly corrupt & openly kleptomaniacal & openly seditionist & openly Nazi-embracing U.S. President, calamatous tsunamis, meltdown of Japan's Fukujima nuclear reactors, violent meteorological assertions of the reality of climate change, two years of global COVID-19 pandemic and associated deaths & lockdowns, the increasing rise of misinformation & anti-science, the multiple convulsions in stock markets & real estate markets & financial products markets, the emergence of cryptocurrencies, Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Good god, the list could go on but those are the highlights I can think of.
The actress who plays Captain Garrett, I’d recently seen her on an episode of Columbo, the dog trainer. I was trying to remember where I recognized her from, now I know.
You don't even know the aftermath. In some of the books it describes what happens to this Enterprise after the original timeframe resumes and this turns into a alternate universe.
@@tallflguy This is Beta Cannon! Apparently the anomaly isn't symmetrical, and the enterprise actually goes to a future where the Federation fell to the Klingons decades ago, the Dominion invaded the quadrant and - together with the Cardassian Union and the Breen Confederacy - managed to conquer both the Klingons and the Romulan Star Empire. The Tholian Assembly signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, and now controls the Tau Dewa Sector Block where the Enterprise ended up captured by them. Castillo, Yar, and a former starfleet admiral, T'nae, reactivate and board the Enterprise C. The fleeing star-ship quickly comes under attack from a massive Tholian task force, but is suddenly rescued by the U.S.S. Pastak: a Wells-class timeship from the 29th Century, sent to help restore the time-line. The Enterprise flies through the anomaly and the U.S.S. Pastak helps the ship reach its proper place in history and fulfil its destiny and correct the timeline.
Oh damn, thought I recognized the Captain- it's the Earth Alliance president from In the Beginning. Nothin' beats Babylon 5 (as long as you ignore season 5)
Garrett was a Janeway prototype. Its clear they used this character as a template for Janeway....likely cuz she was the first major female captain shown.
At 2:15 - her surprise when Picard told her. Obviously the kind of weird adventure that is _all in a day's work_ for the Enterprise D (or any other Enterprise for that matter) is not so for the very ordinary, nothing to see here Enterprise C and its crew. Weirdness almost skipped a generation; now that _is_ weird.
To be fair the galaxy class of the correct timeline had weapon system designs as a secondary importance. The federation relied on in the post klingon cold war era having no real rival. Their ships were made to be tough enough to deal with most threats. The romulans were in isolation until TNG. The cardassians were a second rate power and the klingons were allies. It wasn't until the war borg and dominion slapped the federation around did they pull their heads out their asses when it came to designing ships. The Defiant class comes to mind aswell as many dominion war refits and designs such as the akira.
Essentially that was the problem Federation pacifism. Had it not been for the borg they wouldn't have been ready for the Dominion. Starfleet made a terrible military. They fought that one war against the cardassians that's about it. As evidence in the Dominion War. When the Breen attacked Earth.
Picard lowered the proverbial boom with the guilt trip. "You failed miserably in averting 20 years of war. Thanks." - evil Picard instead of "You fought admirably to save the outpost against all odds. Rest up. We need you."
@@xavierjmj "Oh and Tasha, you go sacrifice yourself for us and end up a Romulan General's Concubine, our resident wackjob bartender has a feeling it's a great move."
Castillo: "What about our homes, our families?" Are your family members all house pets? 22 years is long, it isn't that long. I mean maybe they were killed in the war or all his relatives were seniors, but still.
Even Shuttlecraft on any contemporary starship can kill a planet. Focus the phaser array into a narrow beam, dense and powerful. Use it to drill into the crust and core of a world. Tight volley 3-5 PTs into core. Watch the fireworks
What's funny is anyone with an impulse engine (sublight travel, impulse 1 is the speed of light) will be getting this ALL the time. Like every time anyone used an impulse engine for any period of time then warped back to earth.... it would be the earth's future, even distant future.
I dunno, if you took a soldier from WW1 20 years into the future to WW2 they'd be pretty amazed at everything. technology advances very quickly in times of war.
One thing I have always been curious about is when did Starfleet change uniforms? Since the crew of the Enterprise-C, and Picard had the same uniforms shown in the movies, I've always wondered on when they changed to the ones shown from TNG to DS9.
Canonically sometime between 2348 and 2353. 2348 is when Jack Crusher recorded his holo-message to Wesley wearing the old uniform and a flashback to 2353 shows Picard wearing a version of the TNG uniform after Jack's death.
I think they changed the uniforms for DS9 to fit in the dark setting - also its never a good idea to wear a uniform in war that shows every enemy from far distance which rank or ops your soldiers are.
From a production stand point, the uniform changes were used so that, at a glance, viewers could discern which Star Trek they were looking at. The movies are immediately different from TNG, DS9 got different uniforms and then when Voyager started DS9 shifted again so every iteration had a different vision.
I kind of wish they had developed a more transitional uniform for the Lost Era, instead of basically just removing the turtleneck from the movie versions.
I think the Enterprise-C Monster Maroon uniforms were used because they were still standard military naval dress at the time. The Ambassador-class was pretty much the latest in Starfleet naval technology at a time when tensions between the Klingons and Romulans were still pretty high. The Ambassador-class are known as heavy cruisers.
I always found Q to be much more likeable than Q. Of course, there was always Q, Q, Q, Q and Q that tried to be nasty, but Q, Q and Q always helped out
It's kind of interesting... theoretically, Picard and Garrett should have heard of each other. There aren't that many Starfleet captains and the Enterprise-C was around when Jean-Luc was already the captain of the Stargazer. They're only about 10 years apart in age... would have been cool if they included a little bit of dialogue of them crossing path before. Something along the lines of "Jean-Luc Picard...? Didn't I meet you at so and so..... you aged..."
Starfleet has THOUSANDS of ships. Each with their own captain. Unless Picard had done something by the time the Enterprise-C flew to Narendra III’s rescue to grab the attention of all of Starfleet, probably not. Picard though was probably at least somewhat familiar with Garret as she was the last CO of the previous Enterprise. There was probably also a lot of speculation regarding the Enterprise’s disappearance in this alternate timeline. Barring some twist of fate though, Garrett was unlikely to have known who Picard was prior to meeting him here.
Picard may have read about Garrett, but 22 years earlier he was probably never near where Garrett was. You're right about it being interesting, but look at today's NAVY. Do all Aircraft Carriers know the captains of other ships personally, if they never served with them? Starfleet is much BIGGER than the US Navy and has more ships and many are stationed all over the quadrant. Sure they all head back to Earth from time to time but the chances of them never crossing paths is good.
22 years it could have been worse at least you got home with in a lifetime. Lot of your friends and family could still been around. You would think Tasha would have told him that.
This episode really gets you thinking. If you upgrade the ship, send it back, and its successful, you change your own timeline where you yourself may not exist any longer. If you do nothing and send it back, they die. You technically can't even tell them their in the future, as that in of itself changes history....but then again the mere fact that they are now there and talking to people changes the past too. Or does it? Maybe no matter what they do it's exactly the way history did play out so even upgrading the ship fails.... Makes you really think doesn't it? This is why I LOVE Star Trek and the ideas and philosophy it inspires.
There's some talk in physics now that today may change yesterday. And tomorrow, when it's "today", may change now. I don't understand it and if so it messes with all time travel stories, but quantum physics is showing us reality is stranger than we realize.
This is one point that I always thought Star Trek muddied its waters on, in a way that was perhaps necessary but resulted in some strange dissonance with narrative. The Federation, and Starfleet, are treated like a military organisation when it is convenient to the plot, namely when they are required to fight other warp-capable species. They have armaments that are comparable to those of specially-built warships. The Enterprise itself has saved the Federation from destruction through aggressive means multiple times.
DS9 I think does a good job on showing Starfleet have to move back into being a military organization. The borg were kind of like monster if it were. They could show up from time to time but they seemed to pay little concentrated effort on the federation. The Dominion was another beast. It was like a dark reflection of the federation and they would come in force. Having a one off battle to save the day like with the borg would not cut it.
@@jamesbizs That big stick was proven to be rather useless in early encounters with the dominion. They had grown soft by having no real rivals after the klingons became allies. Romulans were isolationist leading into TNG and even when they became active they knew a war with the federation-klingon alliance would fail so starfleet still didn't change course. The borg shook them up a bit but once it was clear the borg would not be a consitant issue that required a mass change of their outlook they went back to business as normal. Then the dominion shows up and the bubble that starfleet was in was popped by their best class of ship getting manhandled by three much smaller ships.
I think they're kind of like the Coast Guard. Military structure and discipline, but still primarily concerned with non warfighting tasks until the need arises.
I'll offer two explanations. The first is that Starfleet ships are generalists by choice. They purposely built no ships dedicated purely to combat until the era of the USS Defiant. (OK, yes, the movie "Star Trek Into Darkness" had a Starfleet warship, but that's a reboot of the whole series). If they could match the specially-built warships of other species, it must have been through a technological edge. The second is that the writers generally care less about consistency than they do about trying to write an engaging plot.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
I agree with many people that this episode was dark indeed, but near nothing compared to DS9 episodes "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege Of AR-558".
Actually, in hindsight when you think about it, that's one part of the episode that perhaps doesn't make sense. What IS Guinan, a civilian, doing on the Enterprise in the middle of a war??! She shouldn't have been there. In reality, she wouldn't have been. But.......plot. I guess ha!
Much of Guinan's presence anywhere in the multiverse makes sense when you accept that part of Guinan "exists" in the Nexus. Given her abilities to sense things it is no suprise to me she is on the (Ship of War) Enterprise D. She knew she had to be on that ship and so she was. How she got there isn't important. What is important is that she had to be there at that point in time.
Floating plot point, in my opinion. I'm sure the writers and producers discussed putting something like that, but were forced to not include it due to timing issues and scheduling issues, as well. I'm with you that it should have been highlighted in a line of dialogue, at least.
in STAR TREK canon NARENDRA 3 was a system on the KLINGON / ROMULAN FEDERATION BORDER that was a jumping off point into all 3 of their space the ROMULANS wanted it as a way point to build up ships for an attack on the FEDERATION the KLINGONS used it to keep the ROMULANS at bay to prevent such an attack BECAUSE it would've led to the ROMULANS invading KLINGON space
@@andrewblanchard2398 So that is why.It makes sense now.The romulans may be ruthless but it is not like them to attack( & possibly start a war) without a reason.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
Stuck in a temporal drift for 22 years? Well, it could be worse. You could have been caught in a Typhon Expanse for 90 years like Captain Morgan Bateson and his crew abroad USS Bozeman. Then you almost crashed with the Enterprise-D and finally got rescued...
I often find that I see more comments when I change the sort view to chronological. For whatever reason, the default view has been filtering comments for years now.
one thing I never understood about this episode, The Romulans attacked the out post, not the federation. SOOOO, shouldn't the Klingons be at war with the Romulans? Even in this time line I don't believe the Klingons are able to take on both the Federation and the Romulans at the same time. Just saying...
That outpost was probably just one of many skirmishes the Klingons and Romulans had. The war with the federation? That's a different thing all together. These humans and their federation have grown bounds and leaps, absorbing system after system. Interfering in maters of other species. Just look at Enterprise and TOS.
We don't know the full backstory. It's more than likely that the Klingons launched a full war on Romulus and won. The Federation didn't want to get involved so remained on the sidelines. But that kind of neutrality does not sit well with Klingons and they see it as not helping them in battle. Once the Klingons won the war, they would sit out a number of years to rebuild themselves (hence the lag of time since the incident). Hardened by battle the Klingon leaders would spit on any peace proposal and ensured war with the Federation as they knew they had what it took to wipe them out.
I have to say this. While this was very interesting it amazes me how utterly inepet starfleet is in this conflict. Even after fighting a war for so long. Even in this episode where the Enterprise is supposed to be a warship. It feels too much like a cruise liner reconfigured for war, and even then its ability is so shallow.
So the Enterprise D was like a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser from Star Wars? Likely the war turned bad at some point in the later end and Starfleet only then took building warships more seriously. But by then it was too late. During the 22 year time frame the Federation was demilitarized and very pro-peace at great expense to the Federation as a whole, AKA PEACE IN OUR TIME thinking. See: Cardassian War.
@Lasershadow I just find it funny considering that in the "peaceful" Federation timeline. They produce the defiant which fights head and shoulders over every other vessel. In this version the ship has barely changed at all, and the only cha ge to the crew is worse food, and actually wearing a sidearm. Which considering how often boarding actions happened in star trek. Thet you would be doing it anyway.
@@irontemplar6222 The Defiant Class was produced post "Best of Both Worlds" as a result of Wolf 359 massacre. But you gotta remember too that this is a TV show and props were expensive. Likely recycled alot to do the episode. I do agree that Starfleet personnel should have been wearing Master Chief armor while on board starships instead of flimsy jumpsuits, again TV show budget props and stuffs.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
It's called a Sam Browne belt. Something to make it look more militaristic reflecting a 20 year war and a visible cue for the audience that it looks different from the prime timeline.
They're an extra weight/balance support for their belt, because they're all carrying phasers 100% of the time they're on duty. Probably also an aid when carrying extra gear at times, as well.
Not necessarily. Particularly when the romulans were attacking the klingons, not the Federation. There are lots of political reasons to avoid war and unless tensions between the romulans and federation were already high, it's probably unlikely that the Federation would go to war at the drop of a hat.
@@redshift1976 Border skirmishes cause loss of ships, well, not every day, but on a fairly regular basis. That's just "the cost of doing business". It takes something more, like actual planets being invaded, to stir the Federation to war footing.
@@koalabrownie If that were the case, that would fly in the face of the Klingons narrative. They are presented as ruthless, cunning, and expansionist. If the Federation just wrote off entire Capital ships as the cost of doing business, there would be no Federation left.
@@xheralt as well, it's safe to say even the loss of a single starship and it's precious crew would be a strategic blow to the federation, and leave a blind spot in it's defense.
I think I must have missed this episode. Can someone fill me in? So Garrett was fighting a war, got sent 22 years in the future and Picard + Co are still fighting the same war?
If I remember correctly Garrett tried to save a Klingon station, got sent into the future and with her disappearance instead of sacrifice the klingons and federation went to war shortly after. Basicly her ship jumping forward in time changed the timeline to mean the federation and klingons were at war. But hey I haven't seen this episode in years so I could be wrong :P
@@jarltyke Pretty much. Garrett's Enterprise was operating at a time when relations between the Klingon Empire and the Federation were frosty at best. There was a sort of cold war ongoing between the two powers that threatened to eventually develop into explicit hostility and ultimately war. In the rightful timeline Garrett's Enterprise responded to the distress beacon of a Klingon outpost under attack from Romulans. Garret's Enterprise was destroyed but her actions ended the animosity between the two powers and eventually led to peace. But by being transported 22 years into the future, the Klingon outpost was destroyed by the Romulans and the animosity between the Klingons and Federation continued leading to war. It is a great episode in that it deals with the morality of condemning a group of people to certain death for the greater good. In this case the idea of sending the Enterprise C back to their original time, knowing they'll die in that altercation with the Romulans BUT by doing so, they prevent 22 years of costly war with the Klingon empire. Like so many of the best Star Trek episodes, it's an exploration of ethics, morality and philosophy disguised as a light bit of science fiction TV.
No Garrett was not fighting a war - the Federation was at peace in her time but in a Cold War with the Klingons (just as in Kirk's day). But she responded to a Klingon distress call and got into a fight with (and was destroyed by) Romulans who were attacking the Klingons. In our original main Picard timeline, that sacrifice helped bring the Klingons and the Federation together against the Romulans. But this episode's darker alternate Picard timeline happens because Garrett escapes destruction from the Romulans through this time wormhole instead of sacrificing her life and her ship. So the Cold War between the Klingons and the Federation soon turns into a real war because the Klingons are never impressed by and honor obligated to the Federation.
Just don't get it. After the last ToS movie the klingons were in no position to fight a war. Sure they could have fought for awhile but their economy was in ruins after praxxis. By the time of TNG they had recovered but if the war started 22 years prior I am just unsure how they were able to beat down the federation.
war has different rules. maybe because of the war the klingons occupied a world full of low-tech slaves to help them build up the industriell capacities?
Great point but the Enterprise C's time was well after Praxxis since that was during the very beginning of the Enterprise B (the Excelsior class). About a 40 year gap. Think of how Japan did a comeback from the total ruin of 1945 to the economic heights it enjoyed in the late 80s. You might say that was because they were a free society under US protection thus not needing to spend resources on defense, but if they'd focused on defense and sacrificed their standard of living maybe they'd be powerful again too.
They never explained the outcome of Praxis. It was forecasted as doom and gloom but perhaps a scientific method was established (whether with the help of the Federation or not) to spare the planetary damage effects and hence the homeworld did not have to evacuate or anything that drastic. In fact, there has been zero evidence in TNG that suggested an evacuation took place as the "homeworld" implied the same location as Qo'nos always was. If we infer the kind of support of ships needed to evacuate an entire planet based on the Picard series where Romulus had in fact to do that, we can see that this would've been a massive undertaking, given that we would be dealing with technology vastly inferior in the late 23rd century vs a hundred years later when the Romulan supernova took place, and even in the Picard series timeline it was still a massive undertaking even with the resources of a much larger and advanced Federation fleet. Not to mention that we likely would have seen a splintering in the Klingon government if they were relocated, just as Romulus did. Perhaps much more so since the Klingon political structure is basically a bunch of feudiing mortal enemies of great houses in the past , so it's unlikely that preservation would have stood an evacuation where everyone would continue to be in agreement of their destiny. No, in TNG we simply saw a continuation of the same political structure. So my impressions are that the Klingons recovered from Praxis somehow and the incident was quickly forgotten.
Picard was happier in this timeline because he didn't have to deal with kids on his ship.
Until "Picard", when he got retconned into a lover of Romulan kids.
And Riker is jerk because in war time he couldn't get woman.
So true lol
@@tboxer100 omg haha well said
@@tboxer100
"And Riker is a jerk." There, fixed it for you.
"Run a full electrolyte report."
Ah, I see the Alternate Enterprise-D keeps a large supply of Brawndo. It's got what Starfleet needs.
Starfleet craves Brawndo. It has electrolytes.
"Yesterday's Enterprise": One of the darkest but also one of the best TNG episodes ever. Thanks for posting.
"One of the"
Except for the lame battle at the end, typical TNG stuff where ships move super slow or not at all.
Thanks for mention which episode it is.
@@koalabrownie I prefer the ships moving like ships rather than like fighters.
@@gobblox38 Sure, if they're moving. Many times in TNG they do not. I don't think they liked doing wire work or something with the practical effects.
When Star Trek goes to the Dark Side the absolute best episodes appear.
DS9 has entered the chat
@@ulrichschenk8202 DS9 may have entered the chat but TOS and TNG did it first dude.
@@nigelmurphy6761 and better
@@highjim7778 Warship Voyager
22 years? Hey it could be worse. You could have been adrift for 57 years, and awoke to find your ship infested with Xenomorphs!
It could be worse. You could have been caught in a Typhon Expanse for 90 years like Captain Morgan Bateson and his crew abroad USS Bozeman until you almost crashed with the Enterprise-D and got rescued...
@@LGranthamsHeir or trapped on the edge of an event horizon of a black hole for 300 years like the Andromeda
@@Tylerjb123100 No I think that the crew of the UUS Bozeman had it worse than Andromeda. You get trapped in a time loop and your navigator brakes the 1st rule of driving anything, "don't crash!" Then of course the crew of the USS Bozeman finds out that they are 90 years in the future. The only way you'll ever see another member of your family again is that if you have an infant, if you're lucky your child is now in their early 90s. That's why the crew of the USS Bozeman had it worse than the Andromeda crew
@@alexmcintyre8229 Technically, the Andromeda crew had it worse because they evacuated prior to the black hole and were probably all killed or captured. The only one left alive, Hunt, comes back to see the nation destroyed and galactic civilization along with it.
Literally just watched Aliens yesterday
"You may not like the future. It's been a long road getting from there to here..." _sings and dances_
The look on Capt. Garrett's face when she heard the ship's registry.
She look like she was about to have a stroke
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 She didn't survive long after this conversation. I assume the shock from the news took a toll on her body and then the head injury when the Klingons torpedoed the-D was the final straw that finally killed her.
Great acting
Amazing how the Captains of these ships from the past that keep popping up somehow don't notice the totally different uniforms and ship design.
She was not happy when Picard gave her the D.
TNG's finest episode, even better than Best of Both Worlds. Essentially a 40 minute feature film....and probably would have been the plot of Generations had it not been used here
Should have been. Generations was awful.
@@kev3d Imagine the Enterprise A and crew from Khitomer being flung into the future meeting the Enterprise D and crew
I would put this episode near the top myself if not for the whole Tasha redemption arc. Denise Crosby did not deserve it. She thought she was bigger than what she was and left. Smacking her out of existence was fine.
The character and especially the actress didn't deserve a mulligan.
@@Fektthisto be fair, TNG didn’t do the best job at fleshing out it’s female characters. Sure Troi got some fleshing out, partially due to her mother swinging by for the occasional visit and her on again off again thing with Riker, but people still joke about Beverly and sex with ghosts because they didn’t do much to flesh out her character other than she had a son, she was a widow and there was an on again off again thing with Picard … somehow those things worked to help flesh out Troi but didn’t work for Beverly. Beverly and ghost sex is a large part of what we have for her (that and the whole “she may be a secret weed fiend” thing)
Inner Light and Measure of a Man outstrips this. At least this episode provided a better out for Tasha
Guinan: “Yeah, the kids had ‘Captain Picard Day’ - you always *LOVED* it!”
Bobaklives LOL!!
@@gg-eo6ez *_Sheer fucking hubris!_*
Picard: I’ll stick with this timeline.
(Picard "accidentally" fires a torpedo at the Enterprise C, destroying it) "Aww shoot, thats a shame. Well, looks like we are stuck with this timeline now."
0:00 "What!?! Children on the Enterprise."To be fair that was probably the reaction of the normal Picard before Encounter at Farpoint.
this was what guinan said in one of the books where a Q entity had gone mad and it resulted in 3 sepreate timelines, including one where wesleys dad lived but unfortunately resulted in the death of wesley as a child
I really love TNG, but the whole kids on the ship thing was a gross misstep. Even if the ship is for "peace" and exploration, you don't put children onboard a ship that is going into unknown situations. It would be like putting kids on an experimental aircraft or submarine. Sure enough, everyone onboard the Yamato (assuming the demographics are similar to the Enterprise as she was a sister ship) was killed. Not through overt hostile action, but by an unintentional computer virus. At no point during TNG does anyone seem to ask "does anyone think we ought to have only qualified personnel onboard?"
@@kev3d I mean the kids have an obvious purpose being there, its so the crew don't have to leave their families. If the ship goes missing or gets lost, those are entire families broken up. Imagine a ship being lost far , far out into space. The crewmates would be deveastated because theyll miss out on their families lives and vice versa. Morale is pretty goddamn important especially in situations like that. Crewmates who cant stop thinking about whether or not they can see their kid's high school graduation or visit their sick wife are ones who might not be of much use.
Counterpoint: imagine seeing a dangerous space anomaly or making first contact with a hostile species, and your first thought is “I hope my 5yr-old son on Deck 15 is safe”. It’s terribly distracting when you have to focus on your job.
@@kev3d I think they did say that bringing your family on board is fully voluntarily and every crew member that does that is aware of the risks. The reasoning probably being that having your kids around instead of them being somewhere far distant is probably better for the overall mentality of the crewmembers. And knowing that your five year old son on deck 15 is there might even further inspire you to do your damndest that the ship survives.
Also, these are Starfleet officers. They have been trained and prepared to remain calm and focused on their tasks, even under personal stress. Its especially the destruction of the Yamato where Westley asks Riker and Geordi how they just can be so calm and their response was along the lines of "Its not that we don't give a shit. But we have to focus on our work now."
“That’s two phaser banks damaged thus far Shooter”
“Oh you can count. Good for you.”
“And YOU can count…on me waiting for you at the Klingon outpost!”
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I loved the dim "foreboding" lighting on the alternate timeline Enterprise D
The sick bay scene was great. The camera at first is almost like it's from Captain Garrett's point of view. Just coming into consciousness, looking around at an unfamiliar room. Picard walks in, takes a moment to observe the room. He looks at Crusher, she meets his eye, then both turn to Garrett.
Pure gold.
I also liked the military chatter over the intercom, further separating it from the normal timeline. Actually makes it feel more like a military vessel.
Best ever episode of TNG and maybe the best Trek episode ever
Nah dude, the one with the flute was better.
@@koalabrownieyes. That tune. It stays with you.
IMO one of the best episodes of Star Trek or any other TV series of all time.
Surprised Cpt Garret didn't know of Picard's name. 22 years prior is when Picard was already of legendary status with his Stargazer missions. And this was a timeline divergence, not a parallel or mirror universe, so the events that took place up to this pivotal point is what caused the timeline change (the entire premise of the episode). Seems like a writing blunder to me. Should've been like "I am captain Jean-Luc Picard" then Garret saying, "As in the Stargazer? This is the Stargazer? I thought your ship was much smaller, Captain, forgive me, and you look older than I recall in the news articles I've seen of you" The writers seemed to have misjudged how short of time is with 22 years when it comes to vessel captains and their earned status. Picard WAS a captain 22 years ago, not some fresh ensign out of the academy.
At that point in time as captain of the Enterprise C, Rachel Garrett more well known than picard. I'm surprised Picard didn't know of Garrett.
Apparently the writers forgot how old Picard is
Picard still would have had to explain to her that the Stargazer was no longer in service and he was now in command of the Enterprise-D.
Nothing against Beverly and yes, the focus was supposed to be on Tasha being there... But wouldn't it have been fun to see a grizzled, ornery doctor Pulaski in charge of sickbay?
The cast hated her so she would not have come back.
The awful producer whose actions prompted Gates McFadden to quit at the end of S1 was later fired for a different case of sexual misconduct, so Gates agreed to return to the series from S3 onwards.
@@Darthpathfinder Too bad. Does the actress avoid Star Trek conventions also?
I am not sure.
Story wise, it would have been great. Say Dr Crusher died early in the war, that would add to the tension on Picard.
I don't know about the cast hating her but Diana Muldar holds a unique place in Star Trek. She's the only regular cast member of a later series to have appeared on the original Star Trek series.
Imagine jumping from the year 2000 to 2022 and hearing about all the events that happened between. Ah man...
Grab your AR-15 and go…….hunting
LoL yep. People's minds would melt, facing all at once the news of everything that happened between 2000 and 2022: the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Afghanistan War, Iraq War, 8 years of hyper-competent Obama the first black U.S. President, 4 years of defiantly incompetent Trump the first openly corrupt & openly kleptomaniacal & openly seditionist & openly Nazi-embracing U.S. President, calamatous tsunamis, meltdown of Japan's Fukujima nuclear reactors, violent meteorological assertions of the reality of climate change, two years of global COVID-19 pandemic and associated deaths & lockdowns, the increasing rise of misinformation & anti-science, the multiple convulsions in stock markets & real estate markets & financial products markets, the emergence of cryptocurrencies, Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Good god, the list could go on but those are the highlights I can think of.
9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, hurricane Katrina, the presidential elections, yeahhh theres a lot to take in.
Television Sarah Connor can relate.
Send me back
We're 22 years into the future! Our families will be... a bit older.
The actress who plays Captain Garrett, I’d recently seen her on an episode of Columbo, the dog trainer. I was trying to remember where I recognized her from, now I know.
I love the Enterprise D, but the Enterprise C is probably my favorite of all the Federation ship exteriors.
Shooter McGavin joined Starfleet. Admirable.
Happy Gilmour accomplished that feat no more than half an hour ago 😂
Definitely one of the...darkest...episodes in the entire Star Trek verse.
You don't even know the aftermath. In some of the books it describes what happens to this Enterprise after the original timeframe resumes and this turns into a alternate universe.
GenSphinx What happens?
@@tallflguy They were abducted and savagely abused by interdimensional teletubbies
@@tallflguy This is Beta Cannon! Apparently the anomaly isn't symmetrical, and the enterprise actually goes to a future where the Federation fell to the Klingons decades ago, the Dominion invaded the quadrant and - together with the Cardassian Union and the Breen Confederacy - managed to conquer both the Klingons and the Romulan Star Empire. The Tholian Assembly signed a non-aggression pact with the Dominion, and now controls the Tau Dewa Sector Block where the Enterprise ended up captured by them. Castillo, Yar, and a former starfleet admiral, T'nae, reactivate and board the Enterprise C. The fleeing star-ship quickly comes under attack from a massive Tholian task force, but is suddenly rescued by the U.S.S. Pastak: a Wells-class timeship from the 29th Century, sent to help restore the time-line. The Enterprise flies through the anomaly and the U.S.S. Pastak helps the ship reach its proper place in history and fulfil its destiny and correct the timeline.
@@ZeroRyoko "Star Trek Online"?
Oh damn, thought I recognized the Captain- it's the Earth Alliance president from In the Beginning. Nothin' beats Babylon 5 (as long as you ignore season 5)
Shooter McGavin is still taking his shot.
Garrett was a Janeway prototype. Its clear they used this character as a template for Janeway....likely cuz she was the first major female captain shown.
Great episode. Fun fact, per Wikipedia: [Christopher McDonald]"...and his siblings were raised in Romulus, New York." :-)
"You've come 22 years into the future."
"22 years? That's not bad as far as time travel goes, could have been 100 or 1000 years."
Could be worse.
Earth could be ruled by monkeys....
At 2:15 - her surprise when Picard told her. Obviously the kind of weird adventure that is _all in a day's work_ for the Enterprise D (or any other Enterprise for that matter) is not so for the very ordinary, nothing to see here Enterprise C and its crew. Weirdness almost skipped a generation; now that _is_ weird.
Maybe that’s why the D crew was so complacent at the start of the show, it had been smooth sailing for the last decade.
We will never see our homes again, our families! I’m the worlds greatest Golfer. I need to get back
Is that Shooter McGavin?
Yes
And also Barry Williams (Peter Gabriel) as well as Senator Armstrong (Stargate Universe).
He eats pieces of crap like the Romulans for breakfast :D
That's LIEUTENANT McGavin to you
Nah a star fleet officer wouldn't eat pieces of zhit for breakfast
"Ship of peace" lmao thanks for that Guinan
To be fair the galaxy class of the correct timeline had weapon system designs as a secondary importance. The federation relied on in the post klingon cold war era having no real rival. Their ships were made to be tough enough to deal with most threats. The romulans were in isolation until TNG. The cardassians were a second rate power and the klingons were allies. It wasn't until the war borg and dominion slapped the federation around did they pull their heads out their asses when it came to designing ships. The Defiant class comes to mind aswell as many dominion war refits and designs such as the akira.
Essentially that was the problem Federation pacifism. Had it not been for the borg they wouldn't have been ready for the Dominion. Starfleet made a terrible military. They fought that one war against the cardassians that's about it. As evidence in the Dominion War. When the Breen attacked Earth.
Yeah, she should've said, "ship of exploration."
3:25 Thanks Captain Rub-it-in, now go tell some kids they're now orphans.
Picard lowered the proverbial boom with the guilt trip.
"You failed miserably in averting 20 years of war. Thanks." - evil Picard
instead of "You fought admirably to save the outpost against all odds. Rest up. We need you."
@@xavierjmj "Oh and Tasha, you go sacrifice yourself for us and end up a Romulan General's Concubine, our resident wackjob bartender has a feeling it's a great move."
Castillo: "What about our homes, our families?"
Are your family members all house pets? 22 years is long, it isn't that long. I mean maybe they were killed in the war or all his relatives were seniors, but still.
"This is a ship of peace."
also TNG - fights the Borg, battle of Wolf 359, battles many aliens.
Enterprise - a ship of peace with weaponry that could annihilate planets, even solar systems
Thats how you create peace... silent, silent peace.
"We come in peace, shoot to kill..." ua-cam.com/video/FCARADb9asE/v-deo.html
Even Shuttlecraft on any contemporary starship can kill a planet. Focus the phaser array into a narrow beam, dense and powerful. Use it to drill into the crust and core of a world. Tight volley 3-5 PTs into core. Watch the fireworks
The antimatter stock on the ship could easily blow apart a planet.
"I come in peace" ...
"..and you go in pieces..."
Yesterday's Enterprise is one of the best
Anyone notice that Beverly Crusher never touches any of her patients is every episode of the TNG, TNG movies and Picard?
What's funny is anyone with an impulse engine (sublight travel, impulse 1 is the speed of light) will be getting this ALL the time. Like every time anyone used an impulse engine for any period of time then warped back to earth.... it would be the earth's future, even distant future.
23 years doesn’t seem like enough time to be that amazed at a medical bay changes.
I dunno, if you took a soldier from WW1 20 years into the future to WW2 they'd be pretty amazed at everything. technology advances very quickly in times of war.
@@luxie8097 good point
One thing I have always been curious about is when did Starfleet change uniforms? Since the crew of the Enterprise-C, and Picard had the same uniforms shown in the movies, I've always wondered on when they changed to the ones shown from TNG to DS9.
Canonically sometime between 2348 and 2353. 2348 is when Jack Crusher recorded his holo-message to Wesley wearing the old uniform and a flashback to 2353 shows Picard wearing a version of the TNG uniform after Jack's death.
I think they changed the uniforms for DS9 to fit in the dark setting - also its never a good idea to wear a uniform in war that shows every enemy from far distance which rank or ops your soldiers are.
From a production stand point, the uniform changes were used so that, at a glance, viewers could discern which Star Trek they were looking at. The movies are immediately different from TNG, DS9 got different uniforms and then when Voyager started DS9 shifted again so every iteration had a different vision.
I kind of wish they had developed a more transitional uniform for the Lost Era, instead of basically just removing the turtleneck from the movie versions.
I think the Enterprise-C Monster Maroon uniforms were used because they were still standard military naval dress at the time. The Ambassador-class was pretty much the latest in Starfleet naval technology at a time when tensions between the Klingons and Romulans were still pretty high. The Ambassador-class are known as heavy cruisers.
Nice job, real nice. Big like.
Yesterdays enterprise oozes with quality that modern trek can only hope to achieve
modern trek: "but where are all the lectures about intersectional feminism?!"
Modern trek has no hope
04:48 Have you any idea how this happened?
'Yeah! Pew, pew, pew, kabooooom!'
Ha makes me think of this ua-cam.com/video/1yu38kXw7lk/v-deo.html
I would have liked a series devoted to the Enterprise C. It would have been a far better show then STD.
I hate STDs.
@@dotancohen Everybody does. It itches.
One of my favorite episodes
You have to wonder if this was just another one of Q's tests.
you can always tell, he likes to gloat
Depends on the Q.
There is more than one of them.
I always found Q to be much more likeable than Q. Of course, there was always Q, Q, Q, Q and Q that tried to be nasty, but Q, Q and Q always helped out
"The trial never ends, Jean-Luc!!"
Yeah i was not fond of a few of the Q.
Natasha said you may not like the future
It's kind of interesting... theoretically, Picard and Garrett should have heard of each other. There aren't that many Starfleet captains and the Enterprise-C was around when Jean-Luc was already the captain of the Stargazer. They're only about 10 years apart in age... would have been cool if they included a little bit of dialogue of them crossing path before. Something along the lines of "Jean-Luc Picard...? Didn't I meet you at so and so..... you aged..."
YOU need a TIME ship to go BACK & ARGUE with the ORIGINAL writers....NOT here.
Starfleet has THOUSANDS of ships. Each with their own captain. Unless Picard had done something by the time the Enterprise-C flew to Narendra III’s rescue to grab the attention of all of Starfleet, probably not. Picard though was probably at least somewhat familiar with Garret as she was the last CO of the previous Enterprise. There was probably also a lot of speculation regarding the Enterprise’s disappearance in this alternate timeline. Barring some twist of fate though, Garrett was unlikely to have known who Picard was prior to meeting him here.
Picard may have read about Garrett, but 22 years earlier he was probably never near where Garrett was. You're right about it being interesting, but look at today's NAVY. Do all Aircraft Carriers know the captains of other ships personally, if they never served with them? Starfleet is much BIGGER than the US Navy and has more ships and many are stationed all over the quadrant. Sure they all head back to Earth from time to time but the chances of them never crossing paths is good.
"Remember when that condom slipped off, haha so funny. We really had too much wine, but what a masquerade that was!"
"You're a father, Jean-Luc."
@@ezekielbrockmann114 So that's why she was sent back...
She is still gorgeous 😍
1:46 The sickbay isn't that much different. They're still using the same bio scanners from STMP.
I wonder why Guinan didn't talk about the neutral zone between the federation and the Klingons at this time line.
Outer Limits episode "Soldier" with Michael Ansara did this.
Early 90's TNG.... using tablets before it was cool.
This would have been even better as a two parter.
22 years it could have been worse at least you got home with in a lifetime. Lot of your friends and family could still been around. You would think Tasha would have told him that.
She did.... did you not even watch the clip?
@@jamesbizs I did watch the clip she said you may not like the future it has been a long War.
@@demarcusfaulkner7411 You weren't paying close enough attention. 4:10 - 4:16.
That Tasha’s death was without meaning is on the writers.
This episode really gets you thinking. If you upgrade the ship, send it back, and its successful, you change your own timeline where you yourself may not exist any longer. If you do nothing and send it back, they die.
You technically can't even tell them their in the future, as that in of itself changes history....but then again the mere fact that they are now there and talking to people changes the past too. Or does it?
Maybe no matter what they do it's exactly the way history did play out so even upgrading the ship fails.... Makes you really think doesn't it?
This is why I LOVE Star Trek and the ideas and philosophy it inspires.
There's some talk in physics now that today may change yesterday.
And tomorrow, when it's "today", may change now.
I don't understand it and if so it messes with all time travel stories, but quantum physics is showing us reality is stranger than we realize.
This is one point that I always thought Star Trek muddied its waters on, in a way that was perhaps necessary but resulted in some strange dissonance with narrative. The Federation, and Starfleet, are treated like a military organisation when it is convenient to the plot, namely when they are required to fight other warp-capable species. They have armaments that are comparable to those of specially-built warships. The Enterprise itself has saved the Federation from destruction through aggressive means multiple times.
Speak softly, and carry a big stick
DS9 I think does a good job on showing Starfleet have to move back into being a military organization. The borg were kind of like monster if it were. They could show up from time to time but they seemed to pay little concentrated effort on the federation. The Dominion was another beast. It was like a dark reflection of the federation and they would come in force. Having a one off battle to save the day like with the borg would not cut it.
@@jamesbizs That big stick was proven to be rather useless in early encounters with the dominion. They had grown soft by having no real rivals after the klingons became allies. Romulans were isolationist leading into TNG and even when they became active they knew a war with the federation-klingon alliance would fail so starfleet still didn't change course. The borg shook them up a bit but once it was clear the borg would not be a consitant issue that required a mass change of their outlook they went back to business as normal. Then the dominion shows up and the bubble that starfleet was in was popped by their best class of ship getting manhandled by three much smaller ships.
I think they're kind of like the Coast Guard. Military structure and discipline, but still primarily concerned with non warfighting tasks until the need arises.
I'll offer two explanations.
The first is that Starfleet ships are generalists by choice. They purposely built no ships dedicated purely to combat until the era of the USS Defiant. (OK, yes, the movie "Star Trek Into Darkness" had a Starfleet warship, but that's a reboot of the whole series). If they could match the specially-built warships of other species, it must have been through a technological edge.
The second is that the writers generally care less about consistency than they do about trying to write an engaging plot.
Just look at the map, the Federation fleets are surrounded and fighting the Klingons on multiple fronts.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
But if the D was destroyed then that’d be the end of the series. :/
It's been a long war
Getting from there to here
Shooter McGavin looking real young here.
I hope they make a series for the enterprise C
Damn "Shooter McGavin" is in this...
Is he still eating shit for breakfast?
I agree with many people that this episode was dark indeed, but near nothing compared to DS9 episodes "In The Pale Moonlight" or "The Siege Of AR-558".
How could they have kept it from the crew that they in the future? Newer tech, uniforms etc?
I'm falling for Beverly Crusher ❤️❤️❤️
Actually, in hindsight when you think about it, that's one part of the episode that perhaps doesn't make sense. What IS Guinan, a civilian, doing on the Enterprise in the middle of a war??! She shouldn't have been there. In reality, she wouldn't have been. But.......plot. I guess ha!
Much of Guinan's presence anywhere in the multiverse makes sense when you accept that part of Guinan "exists" in the Nexus. Given her abilities to sense things it is no suprise to me she is on the (Ship of War) Enterprise D. She knew she had to be on that ship and so she was. How she got there isn't important. What is important is that she had to be there at that point in time.
Now Shooter McGavin is never gonna get that gold jacket...
The Enterprise C same guy leaves himself open with comments in other movies
Lieutenant Castillo to the Romulans: "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
Mr. Barclay.
So, do we ever learn WHY the Romulans attacked the Klingon outpost that the Enterprise-C was fated to die saving?
Floating plot point, in my opinion. I'm sure the writers and producers discussed putting something like that, but were forced to not include it due to timing issues and scheduling issues, as well. I'm with you that it should have been highlighted in a line of dialogue, at least.
in STAR TREK canon
NARENDRA 3
was a system on the
KLINGON / ROMULAN
FEDERATION BORDER
that was a jumping off point
into all 3 of their space
the ROMULANS
wanted it as a way point
to build up ships for an attack
on the FEDERATION
the KLINGONS
used it to keep the
ROMULANS
at bay to prevent
such an attack
BECAUSE
it would've led to the
ROMULANS invading
KLINGON space
The Romulans and Klingons have always hated one another in ST, so not too surprising.
@@andrewblanchard2398 So that is why.It makes sense now.The romulans may be ruthless but it is not like them to attack( & possibly start a war) without a reason.
@@stevengreen9536
ROMULAN REASONS
simple
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO
Everybody knows what the 'D' stands for.
Shooter McGavin just isn't the same without his nemesis.
I always thought they should send back volunteers only and then save most
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
this is a ship of peace? So then why do you constantly send it into fights?
Rachel Garrett - AKA The Red Lady.
Stuck in a temporal drift for 22 years? Well, it could be worse. You could have been caught in a Typhon Expanse for 90 years like Captain Morgan Bateson and his crew abroad USS Bozeman. Then you almost crashed with the Enterprise-D and finally got rescued...
…..back when Whoopi was cool.
why is a ship of peace armed to the teeth with such destructive weapons.
Apparently there are invisible comments.
You’d be amazed how much spam gets commented. I assume accounts get identified and eliminated but the comment counts stay messed up.
I often find that I see more comments when I change the sort view to chronological. For whatever reason, the default view has been filtering comments for years now.
@Marlon Cebo certain key words will flag a reply.
so bad ass man
They couldn't clean the blood off her nose and lip?
Yes, because that's _clearly_ the only injury she sustained.
Kleenex, paper towels, and toilet paper are timeless necessities always hoarded during war.
Very little ever mentioned of what conquered planets would deal with at the hands of Klingon victors.
Probably not a good scenario.
one thing I never understood about this episode, The Romulans attacked the out post, not the federation. SOOOO, shouldn't the Klingons be at war with the Romulans? Even in this time line I don't believe the Klingons are able to take on both the Federation and the Romulans at the same time. Just saying...
That outpost was probably just one of many skirmishes the Klingons and Romulans had. The war with the federation? That's a different thing all together. These humans and their federation have grown bounds and leaps, absorbing system after system. Interfering in maters of other species. Just look at Enterprise and TOS.
We don't know the full backstory. It's more than likely that the Klingons launched a full war on Romulus and won. The Federation didn't want to get involved so remained on the sidelines. But that kind of neutrality does not sit well with Klingons and they see it as not helping them in battle. Once the Klingons won the war, they would sit out a number of years to rebuild themselves (hence the lag of time since the incident). Hardened by battle the Klingon leaders would spit on any peace proposal and ensured war with the Federation as they knew they had what it took to wipe them out.
Guinan is a Sith Warrior.
no
Lt Goose McKenzie.
Danny devito would be a better captain
I have to say this. While this was very interesting it amazes me how utterly inepet starfleet is in this conflict. Even after fighting a war for so long. Even in this episode where the Enterprise is supposed to be a warship. It feels too much like a cruise liner reconfigured for war, and even then its ability is so shallow.
So the Enterprise D was like a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser from Star Wars?
Likely the war turned bad at some point in the later end and Starfleet only then took building warships more seriously. But by then it was too late. During the 22 year time frame the Federation was demilitarized and very pro-peace at great expense to the Federation as a whole, AKA PEACE IN OUR TIME thinking. See: Cardassian War.
@Lasershadow I just find it funny considering that in the "peaceful" Federation timeline. They produce the defiant which fights head and shoulders over every other vessel.
In this version the ship has barely changed at all, and the only cha ge to the crew is worse food, and actually wearing a sidearm. Which considering how often boarding actions happened in star trek. Thet you would be doing it anyway.
@@irontemplar6222 The Defiant Class was produced post "Best of Both Worlds" as a result of Wolf 359 massacre.
But you gotta remember too that this is a TV show and props were expensive. Likely recycled alot to do the episode.
I do agree that Starfleet personnel should have been wearing Master Chief armor while on board starships instead of flimsy jumpsuits, again TV show budget props and stuffs.
You know. My opinion on the Enterprise-C has changed. From watching Yesterday's Enterprise, it might had just been a set up for Tasha Yar to return at a later date. Too bad the producers never bothered to bring either Lt. Yar or Sella back in the other Trek series. I still feel that the episode Yesterday's Enterprise could had been handled better than the end result. A good example was not killing off Captain Garrett. Second have the Enterprise D follow Enterprise C in the time rift, along with the Klingon Bird of Prey in persuit. From there, the battle would be 5 to 4 against the Romulans. The Enterprise-D would be destroyed protecting Enterprise-C and the Klingon Outpost. If the Enterprise-C was at the Fleet Museum, next to Enterprise-D, that would be a great set up to tell the story..
Is the nurse’s voice who calls for Dr. Solar (sp) the same voice that’s used for the intercom in Undiscovered Country? Sounds very similar.
What is it ever explained what the metallic "shoulder strap" things on the Enterprise D Uniforms were?
It's called a Sam Browne belt. Something to make it look more militaristic reflecting a 20 year war and a visible cue for the audience that it looks different from the prime timeline.
@@gtpliquid1290 Better than a fake beard :-D
@@MyBrainGlows "Your agonizer please"
They're an extra weight/balance support for their belt, because they're all carrying phasers 100% of the time they're on duty. Probably also an aid when carrying extra gear at times, as well.
Always wondered what ship filled the gap between the C and the D
Check the alphabet for your answer.
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After the C, there was the C+, C++, and the C#.....
Wouldn't 4 Romulan warbirds destroying a Federation vessel in battle cause a war between The Federation and the Romulan Star Empire?
Not necessarily. Particularly when the romulans were attacking the klingons, not the Federation. There are lots of political reasons to avoid war and unless tensions between the romulans and federation were already high, it's probably unlikely that the Federation would go to war at the drop of a hat.
@@koalabrownie is killing the entire crew of a starship "drop of a hat?"
@@redshift1976 Border skirmishes cause loss of ships, well, not every day, but on a fairly regular basis. That's just "the cost of doing business". It takes something more, like actual planets being invaded, to stir the Federation to war footing.
@@koalabrownie If that were the case, that would fly in the face of the Klingons narrative. They are presented as ruthless, cunning, and expansionist. If the Federation just wrote off entire Capital ships as the cost of doing business, there would be no Federation left.
@@xheralt as well, it's safe to say even the loss of a single starship and it's precious crew would be a strategic blow to the federation, and leave a blind spot in it's defense.
The Red Lady!
Which episode was this?
@Michael Jay One of the best TNG episodes ever, perhaps also one of the best episodes from all Trek series...
I think I must have missed this episode. Can someone fill me in? So Garrett was fighting a war, got sent 22 years in the future and Picard + Co are still fighting the same war?
If I remember correctly Garrett tried to save a Klingon station, got sent into the future and with her disappearance instead of sacrifice the klingons and federation went to war shortly after. Basicly her ship jumping forward in time changed the timeline to mean the federation and klingons were at war. But hey I haven't seen this episode in years so I could be wrong :P
@@jarltyke Pretty much. Garrett's Enterprise was operating at a time when relations between the Klingon Empire and the Federation were frosty at best. There was a sort of cold war ongoing between the two powers that threatened to eventually develop into explicit hostility and ultimately war.
In the rightful timeline Garrett's Enterprise responded to the distress beacon of a Klingon outpost under attack from Romulans. Garret's Enterprise was destroyed but her actions ended the animosity between the two powers and eventually led to peace. But by being transported 22 years into the future, the Klingon outpost was destroyed by the Romulans and the animosity between the Klingons and Federation continued leading to war.
It is a great episode in that it deals with the morality of condemning a group of people to certain death for the greater good. In this case the idea of sending the Enterprise C back to their original time, knowing they'll die in that altercation with the Romulans BUT by doing so, they prevent 22 years of costly war with the Klingon empire.
Like so many of the best Star Trek episodes, it's an exploration of ethics, morality and philosophy disguised as a light bit of science fiction TV.
No Garrett was not fighting a war - the Federation was at peace in her time but in a Cold War with the Klingons (just as in Kirk's day). But she responded to a Klingon distress call and got into a fight with (and was destroyed by) Romulans who were attacking the Klingons. In our original main Picard timeline, that sacrifice helped bring the Klingons and the Federation together against the Romulans. But this episode's darker alternate Picard timeline happens because Garrett escapes destruction from the Romulans through this time wormhole instead of sacrificing her life and her ship. So the Cold War between the Klingons and the Federation soon turns into a real war because the Klingons are never impressed by and honor obligated to the Federation.
@@IrishCarney Thanks for that! :)
Just don't get it. After the last ToS movie the klingons were in no position to fight a war. Sure they could have fought for awhile but their economy was in ruins after praxxis. By the time of TNG they had recovered but if the war started 22 years prior I am just unsure how they were able to beat down the federation.
war has different rules. maybe because of the war the klingons occupied a world full of low-tech slaves to help them build up the industriell capacities?
Undiscovered country came out nearly two years after this episode.
Great point but the Enterprise C's time was well after Praxxis since that was during the very beginning of the Enterprise B (the Excelsior class). About a 40 year gap. Think of how Japan did a comeback from the total ruin of 1945 to the economic heights it enjoyed in the late 80s. You might say that was because they were a free society under US protection thus not needing to spend resources on defense, but if they'd focused on defense and sacrificed their standard of living maybe they'd be powerful again too.
They never explained the outcome of Praxis. It was forecasted as doom and gloom but perhaps a scientific method was established (whether with the help of the Federation or not) to spare the planetary damage effects and hence the homeworld did not have to evacuate or anything that drastic. In fact, there has been zero evidence in TNG that suggested an evacuation took place as the "homeworld" implied the same location as Qo'nos always was. If we infer the kind of support of ships needed to evacuate an entire planet based on the Picard series where Romulus had in fact to do that, we can see that this would've been a massive undertaking, given that we would be dealing with technology vastly inferior in the late 23rd century vs a hundred years later when the Romulan supernova took place, and even in the Picard series timeline it was still a massive undertaking even with the resources of a much larger and advanced Federation fleet. Not to mention that we likely would have seen a splintering in the Klingon government if they were relocated, just as Romulus did. Perhaps much more so since the Klingon political structure is basically a bunch of feudiing mortal enemies of great houses in the past , so it's unlikely that preservation would have stood an evacuation where everyone would continue to be in agreement of their destiny. No, in TNG we simply saw a continuation of the same political structure. So my impressions are that the Klingons recovered from Praxis somehow and the incident was quickly forgotten.
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