Most anticlimactic scene in Trek history. Seven reactivating the Borg should have become a nightmare horror movie scenario for the Romulans. They should have had to fight their way out, losing most of their forces in the process and the likelihood of their success should have been in serious doubt. Absolute waste.
I wonder if the problem is that the writers are not Star Trek fans. One of the qualifications for making decisions about story lines/writing should be that they are followers of the Trek universe.
Cant agree more. How did seven gain control of the cube without being able to stop the drones being ejected. No sense what so ever. She is the prime candidate to have full knowledge of how to control that cube and its drones... such a wasted scene
Question: (Such a bad story! They realy missed the chance of a great comeback.) Why there had to be always a Lara Croft? Where is the perfect charakter and optik? Clichee and boring. Boring Punk.
While that would have been a better story to be sure. It is a little more realistic this way. Romulins are Methodical they would not have have started the salvage operation without a failsafe in place. the idea of a cube full of drones reawakening out of nowhere is a nightmare Scenario That would have made a sweet episode or two. But no one would have been willing to work on the cube unless there were a foolproof way to deal with the drones.
Seven got re-assimilated, basically becoming the Queen of her own little Collective. This should have been a major character moment for her. She's risking her individuality and re-joining the Borg. She felt the Collective (her small one) again for the first time in decades. This event could lead to so many interesting stories. Though, I doubt it will be explored in the next season.
@hanikrummi hundursvin This is perhaps one of the most stupid comments I've ever read. Since when has the US media given a solitary fuck about scifi analogues to real-world ideologies? Where do you think the concept of the Borg was invented, Afghanistan? Right here in fucking LA, during the final years of the Cold War.
@@JimAsAuthor Oohh! Listen to you get all triggered by a poor comparative analysis! You okay? Need a moment to compose yourself after that unwarranted culture war skirmish? A moist towelette?
The Virtorian very true! Was such an anticlimactic ending I mean come on defeated the Borg by popping an airlock :/ I wasn’t impressed by that rapid ending I wish seven had experienced not wanting to release the Borg and struggled with being the queen that would of made a great season 2 villain
We know for a fact that borg can survive in the vacuum of space, we also know they have homing beacons and that the borg have transporters. Sevens reaction to them being sucked out should not have been anger or fear, it should have been a smirk, a tilt of her head and the simple utterance of "resistance is futile." as the borg activated and proceeded to begin being beamed back onboard all over the ship by the thousands.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Yes they were drones. Only a very small number had been liberated the vast majority on the cube were hibernating drones, which is stated at least a dozen times in the series.
They can survive in space and walk on the surface of ships, sure... But how are they supposed to counteract the momentum of getting sucked out into the vacuum of space after the Borg Cube gets depressurized? There's no air in space to help you push back and redirect your momentum. They're basically going to be alive and drifting into the void until their technological implants no longer have the capacity to function and their biological side dies from the lack of nutrients and support. It's a fate far worse than an immediate death.
@@Lordgeorge16 Read my comment in full. I said had the plot made sense seven would have just beamed those borg right back into the cube....they have transporters.... there is zero reason for their losses.
The romulans should have received the full lower your shields and turn off your weapons, you will be assimilated speech. Imagine her finishing with "Resistance is futile"
Most powerful and deadly enemy ever seen in Star Trek defeated by an open window. If only there was canon examples of Borg drones functioning perfectly fine in hard vacuum.... cough First Contact cough
I don’t think you know what happens when you open a window or a door of a ship into outer space, clue: your sent flying out into outer space. The drones are probably alright but don’t have any type of momentum to return back to the cube.
@@captainr800 They were shown walking along the hull of the Enterprise indicating that they posses the ability to magnetize their feet or generate artificial gravity on their own. Additionally transporters are a thing, so if they're fine they would have been transported back aboard or tractor beamed. My point is, the entire Borg story-line went no where. The entire show was pointless. Artificial Intelligent Cthulhu Gods waiting for younger A.I.'s to call them to be saved... killing organics in the process? Why? Why not just stick around and kill the organics as they evolve? Why after being 'summoned' by the younger ones were they dismissed by the signal interruption instead of just popping through like "Here's Johnny!"? I propose that the Borg surviving and arriving would have shown the Cthulhu A.I. the ultimate expression of Organic and Synthetic merged into perfect unity. It makes for a better story than Picard's ending. Everything's fine because he made a call before the Romulans got there. Red Tape saved the day. Every major storypoint from the season was ripped off from better sources materials and canon was thrown out the window. Data's entire positronic brain being recreated from a single neuron (OOOOKAY, I'll rebuilt my computer with just a CPU pin to start from), Soong having a never before mentioned or heard of human child, Romulans being able to reach high level rank without someone once ever testing to see if they're Romulan or Vulcan (transporting once would have been enough to be discovered), The super secret Intelligent/secret police being the front for an even secret-er police force, The Federation needing a slave race when they have massive industrial replicators for menial tasks, Hell even the concept of ship yards on Mars instead of an orbiting facility where ships can be built in a micro gravity environment makes more sense... especially since most Federation ships don't land on planets. All of these things make no sense. They shit the bed hardcore in writing. Nothing made any sense. And most of it had been done better elsewhere.
You can make an argument that those Drones in first contact were specially equipped for that. It would be very borg'ish to only equip Drones with neccesary implants. Why else has the Cube an atmosphere? But you can call it bad writing aswell. As always it depends on your intentions. Do you want this series to work, or not? Both is perfectly reasonable for me. I'd like it to work, because I actually enjoyed it. Even though it was far from perfect. As TNG and Voyager and DS9 and the movies ... Discovery actually sucked in my oppinion, so I understand the feeling of not wanting a scene to work. To the Cthulhu AI God thing I'd just remind you of how the godlike Ori from another galaxy were unable to manifest their power in the Milky Way galaxy in Stargate, because the godlike ancients of the Milky Way didn't allow that. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a no interaction rule for super advanced species, similar to the first directive of Star Fleet. The Q continuum might want to have a word with them, if they wiped out organics actively. If lesser beings reached out to them and forcefully opened a gateway to this other dimention, leting them enter through some sort of backdoor it might be a different story. It's the intention thing again, it can work, but it doesn't have to and granted it doesn't make perfect sense on it's own.
I'm only watching the show for Seven. Patrick & Picard just shits me lately. I'd love it if she was the main protaganist. Plus her character is so much cooler.
This would have made for an absolutrly amazing story arc... Too bad the writers were more into Mass Effect than Star Trek. Still miles better than Discovery tho.
They seemed to forget that Borg don't need to breathe. They could magnetise themselves and stay in the ship. Those nearest to the hull could cling to its surface.
They just spread the borg virus across space. when one of these drones latches onto a ship in space. they will assimilate the ship and then start growing and assimilating more ships.
One of the coolest moments in all of Star Trek, followed by one of the most pointless and nonsensical moments in all of Star Trek. They go through this whole sequence of Seven wanting to fight back by making a micro collective to fight the Romulan presence on board but the writers decided that the entire plot point should be jobbed out seconds after it comes to fruition because one Romulan opened a window. Shame Borg Drones couldn't function in a vacuum and without any gravity. If they could then in Star Trek: First Contact a handful of Borg Drones could have gone out on the ships hull to the Deflector Dish and built an Interplexing beacon to send a message to past Borg in the Delta Quadrant. Oh....
It's possible that the Borg in First Contact needed time to adapt their footing to the vacuum of space before going out onto the Enterprises hull. Here they were most likely caught off guard by the sudden loss of air pressure. Just a thought.
Seriously. If they want the Romulans to have the upper hand after a battle fine but to just wake them up and throw them out the airlock without even seeing them in action for a moment? Real shame.
@dfctomm to be honest I don't think they were ever going to be able too keep the Borg as scary as they were.. not if they wanted to expand on them like they did. Maybe they just need to find a new threat to add that will generate a similar fear..
This was handled HORRIBLY. The plan should've worked, decompressing a compartment should not have thrown away the drones, specially because they were in their alcoves. The cube should've reawakened and repair protocols activated and not long after, it reestablishes contact with the Collective, Seven is now re-assimilated and the Romulans have to deal with a fully functional borg cube. In Q's own words, "Do NOT provoke the Borg!". But no... the borg has to be nerfed ever and ever... such a waste.
From what I have heard was their implants were removed. I guess those that were in stasis were not fully Borg, but could not survive being separated from the Hive mind. I don't know. This new Star Trek, aka Star Trash, is idiotic.
I have to say that when she activated the drones, I got chills that threw me back to Star Trek the Next Generation first borg encounter. Then when I saw them get sucked out into space, I was like "wtf?" Great plot start, terrible crash and burn at the end.
Agreed on the Borg arc. Such possibilities. I will say though, even though I was somewhat disappointed with the 1st season of Picard, I thought Jeri Ryan was amazing in bringing Seven back. Troubled, conflicted, yet sympathetic. Great performance. I always wondered what her fate was after Voyager.
This whole scene sums up the Picard series as a whole, for every awesome moment that the writers were able to come up with, immediately comes a bad decision. Seven awakening the Borg? Awesome, so much potential to have some badass sequences of her drones defeating the Romulan soldiers with ease. But we don't get even the chance for it as they immediately get rid of them. She's seen flying the cube later, why not give her this victory?
What I didnt understand is why did this cube even survive since janeway destroyed the queen and unimatrix one (this control centre for the entire cube) and how did seven use a transwarp corridor when then entire network was obliterated years earlier.
Also I don't think weve seen the last of the Borg, I've a sneaking suspicion that with guinene in the next series as well as seven it might have something to do with ending the collective once and for all
@@nessunday _Voyager_ didn't destroy the entire network, only the tunnel(s) it was using, to prevent Borg chasers. The rest of the network, while uncontrolled, is still probably intact and waiting to be discovered, the way Voyager found the Vaadwaur network. My sense is, given the Borg habit of redundancy, is that while there is no Borg Queen acting as focal point, nor lens (Unimatrix One) to focus with, it is quite likely that smaller sub-Collectives have emerged. And would probably duel with each other for supremacy. Cubes with high percentages of Dreamers (a la Unimatrix Zero) would individualize.
@@xheralt with respects most of what you said was dribble, the unimatrix zero dreamers did not last long and were wiped out. And seven literally said the transwarp network has been obliterated. And the collective United whole mini collectives would not start jockeying for power, as that goes against everything the Borg are.
Throwing the drones out was such a missed opportunity though. Seeing them as "protagonists" for a short time would have been great. Also they could have used the full "we re the borg" speech
Not sure why being sucked into the vacuum of space would make any difference to the Borg... they don't need an atmosphere, as demonstrated in First Contact. Just transport the drones back inside. Kurtzmann and crew's sloppy writing as usual.
I feel that since 7of9 was résistent to connect herself, I’d guess bringing the drones back would’ve meant diving deeper into the Queen part of the collective. Besides this version better suits Kurtzman’s BS writing style of swipe & run.
simple and normal from klutzman's viewpoint...his writing style is clear: do whatever is most dramatic. It doesn't have to make sense, follow decades of source material or even fit the plot...it just has to be dramatic. Why is Seven a lesbian, rather than writing in a new lesbian character...because it is more dramatic. Why did Seven murder a bunch of people, rather than ask Picard for his help to arrest the woman for her crimes...It's more dramatic. How did Riker, an acting captain, get the biggest, fastest and most powerful ship, plus an armada of starfleet ships...don't worry about it, it is more dramatic. I could go on, but you get the point. STD and STP have been HUGE disappointments for me. My son is 10yo, the age I was when I started watching TNG. But he doesn't have a star trek to grow up with. The "M" rating alone is part of the flaw in both shows.
@Tap Dome with preparation? thingnis we do not know, these drones had literally just opened their eyes and boom, So I think its fair to say they were not prepared.
Takes control of a Borg Cube then gets trashed by a flower . Biggest load of shit ever seen . Picard was Hot Rubbish . Totally Fucking destroyed the NG series .
Can you imagine how awesome it would have been if seven activated the Borg, they survived in vacuum (like the have before), and seven didn’t want to give up the collective. Imagine a new Borg collective started right here. They could have battled against everyone including the original Borg (if they survived voyager).
yea kinda cool but Star trek ultimately is about mankinds hope and perseverence so seven would ultimately have to be a kind of blue print to liberated borg whove willingly chosen to serve in that capacity . and released once theyve done their bit. kind of a Liberated borg upgrade making them even stronger than their predecessor's because their will and self identity was preserved.
@@ML-yn9yu Well they have more personality than Geordi La Forge and Harry Kim. Who's characters almost entirely consist of fake relationships with holo deck characters and recommending to launch a magical energy beam from the deflector to rescue the ship. Also - in Geordi's case - rolling through the closting gate out of the machine deck as the last person dramatically short before the warp core had to be ejected for the 200th time.
@@ELFNY this and that are two different things. getting venting out of voyager would let their momentum carry them away. they can survive vacuum but they don't have jet packs. they have no way to get back onto an enemy ship. but venting them out of their own ship is somewhat questionable. if the cube had operable transporters then it should be possible to get them back
@@insertcognomen The problem was that the drones just woke up. This nullified the threat that they could otherwise pose if they hit an unwary Romulan ship. The transporters were probably also not working yet since Seven got barely started at reactivating the Artifact. This means that they were for most purposes lost until the issue of the Romulan fleet was dealt with.
I thought this would set up season 2 with 7 of 9 becoming a rogue Borg queen and Picard and co trying to rescue her from herself. Instead they crashed it into a planet never to be seen again.
Maybe it's a bit stupid, but later it was shown, that the cube survived the crash, and started to self-repair. It would be a partly silly partly awesome sight if the cube could return to orbit.
@@sashmiel6566 planet ship? Waste of resources. Strip mine the planet, make generators, launch new ships, use the planet as a staging ground for a new Borg node until you get your orbital elevator and other facilities up and running.
This was literally the moment when I started to think "oh wow, am I about to finally start to like this show?" And then it was like the writers heard me through time and laughed their asses off before giving me the finger and going "nerds really think we want their filth anywhere near our show?"
1:40 *For the trailer;* the close up of her black eyes and then pulling out to hear her say _"We are Borg"_ should've been the opening of the first trailer. It would have been a nice little misdirection while massively exciting the fans.
Seven goes so far as to do to others as was done to her as a child to win a War, making her the new Borg Queen in the process-and pretty much all of the Drones are dead in seconds. Seven deserves better-and it would have been brilliant to see the Borg back on the battlefield with Seven directing them. On the other hand, I suppose, Borg Cubes are no joke?
@@yachiyous9110 No kidding. If you were unfortunate enough to run afoul of just one Borg cube in the early days, you were basically completely and utterly fucked, non questions asked.
(spoilers) It was fantastic to see Seven again but the entire Borg subplot went nowhere. She awakens the borg and they all get sucked into space and nothing happens. Then she takes control of the ship and it immediately crashes on the planet and nothing happens again.
Captain Picard really needed Space Ship Punching Gloves that can punch at Warp Speed. "Engage Warp speed punch!" And then he punches the Borg Cube, and punched Ambassador Tomalok, and punches that Romulan with the ancient Vulcan weapon, and punches Vaj, and punches Thayd Harconan, he just keeps punching till everyone has been punched, then when there is nobody left - he still has one punch left in the chamber for himself.
I think they rushed the scene a bit: Elnor: "You could activate the cube, then do it!" Seven: "Assimilate them! Invade their minds?!? Enslave them again!" Elnor: "So just free them later!" Seven: "Ehhh, good point...sure why not..."
"If I had a strip of Latinum for every time I made a miniature collective out of disconnected drones, I would have two strips of Latinum. And while that isn't a lot, it is still weird it happened twice!"
@J F And likely willingly too depending on the outlying circumstances. This could've been a new faction of Willing Borg if fleshed out properly. Willing Borg. That's a twist that writes itself.
@Tin Watchman it was. The effing show was called "Picard" 1 season in the books and Im still waiting to see if Picard is going to make an appearance. A Sevenn Borg queen plot they just toss in the trash. A convoluted andriod planet that made absolutely no sence... and the picard-droid ending was lazy writing at best. The characters are shallow and uninteresting.. and while I did like the Data sendoff did bring a tear, it was a big fucking build up just to see him die again. Not to mention, its based on a relationship Data and Picard never really had. It had its moments, but it was bad. It was really really bad.
What a Checkov's gun this entire cube turned out to be. Such a shame too, they could've kept the idea floating around for whatever series the Enterprise G is going to star in to be a vehicle to tell a deeply personal 7/9 story.
There are a lot of justified criticisms of ST: Picard, (although I thought some of the fans went a little overboard). However, any criticism of Jeri Ryan's character, I simply can't agree with. Timeless beauty, gutsy performance. Simply great.
The best and also most anti climatic scene ever. After all the decades of Seven resisting her Borg 'upbringing' she reconnects for just a little bit, and the single, most hairrasing phrase ever 'We are Borg' is the most powerful quote out of all Trek. Then they handled it so wrong after that.
"They'll be useless without the voice of the collective." Guess she forgot about her little group on Voyager that functioned just fine when they were cut off in fluidic space.
The way this should have played out was, they blew them into space, and seven, with possibly a bit of a chuckle, said, you'll have to try better than that, and started transporting them back inside. Or a variation maybe that the guy says they are venting them into space, and she says, drones can survive in space, but the transporters are offline, the ships regeneration matrix will have them operational in 30 seconds, and then she beams them all back, and has a lot of new romulan drones.
What I dont understand is why the Borg all died when being vented, since they can survive in space (sure more then a few would die of their injuries) and why didnt she use the cube to destroy the romulan fleet I would have thought that would have been a distraction in itself. Side note this does answer the question about other drones who were assimilated at wolf 359 why they were destroyed along with the original cube
The cube was being studied and is partially dismantled. As a precaution. It's likely all the defenses and offensive capabilities were deactivated. The drones were severed from the collective with implants removed.
That is really cool that they highlighted her singing skills on Voyager. They also highlighted her acting skills, as she became the Doctor in an episode, and became several characters who had been assimilated.
Ohhh... I just LOVE 7 of 9... This scene more than any before or since, proved one thing. That 7 of 9 was destined to be the new borg queen. And only for the few short seconds in this video was she actually the borg queen that could have been. The writers really fucked up when they teased us with this and then didn't follow through. 7 of 9 as the new borg queen would have been a terrible and a formidable opponent of starfleet because of her insider knowledge of exactly how starfleet worked and thought. This is because of her years of experience onboard the USS Voyager where she was freed and liberated from the borg collective. In this scene she interfaced and merged with the queen's technology and she interfaced with the thousands of remaining borg crew members onboard the captured borg cube held by romulans. The cube that they referred to and called "The Artifact." In her brief encounter with the remaining crew members. 7 of 9 rejoined and created a whole new collective that could easily outgunned, out maneuvered and completely outpaced the romulans that held them captive. The only reason that the surviving borg cube crew members did NOT do so before, is because they had all been simultaneously been severed from the mind of the borg collective. The writers really took a deep-dive into the shithole and really took a concentrated and constipated dump on this one. The things that could have been, and the things that could have carried this series into a new realm of possibilities, all lost and flushed with the shitty ending that completely negated this part of the series when Seven interfaced and became the new borg queen... I was so pissed off and sickened by that overdressed and super, sickening sweet ending to the picard series...
The last season was an effort to clean up the mess that was made in the first two seasons. I think Terry did a decent job with what he had to work with. They should have hired him in the first place. Then maybe there might have been a few more seasons.
@@gigmond No... he did not. All he did was take the mess of all 3 seasons and quickly threw a fantasy ending together that didn't make any sense at all. They had a new borg queen when 7 interfaced with the cube.Then they ignored her again by taking the "Dr. Jarati Character and joined her with a borg queen from a different timeline. 7 of 9 had it all. She was filled with key insider information against and about "the mighty federation..." As a new borg queen, she could have gone in one of 2 different directions... 1, be an even MORE of a dangerous threat to the federation, or 2, be a powerful borg ally with them because she's not just a borg, she's the queen of that borg collective in the cube... but still the individual that was freed by captain janeway in the delta quadrant. Instead, they came up with that shit-show ending with the borg queen that had somehow miraculously reassembled herself AFTER Captain Jean Luc Picard destroyed her biological components and killed her electronic components in the Star Trek: First Contact movie. From that point on, the borg collective was no more because the entire and whole of the collective was run and created by the only borg queen in existence when she traveled back in time and Picard chased her through the temporal wake when he followed her borg vessel. He KILLED the existing and ONLY borg queen onboard the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E. By killing the queen, the borg ceased to exist because the only brain center that it had was for all intent and purpose, dead But yet SOMEHOW, she managed to end up back on that borg super-cube where she cannibalized the crew and consumed them and reassembled herself. How the HELL did she get away from Picard when her only mechanical remains were still on the Enterprise-E? It was dead because Picard killed the still functioning electronic borg mechanics of the former queen cyborg. It was not able to function without its biological components because it had a humanoid brain that powered its intellect. That writer created a fantasy that is impossible to exist and was pure bullshit. The writing completely fragmented the story line and plot and was so idiotic stupid that any 5th grade student could have done a far better job telling the story. Where was Dr. Jarati/borg queen from the future? She swore to be their ally, but when the OLD borg queen somehow and miraculously reassembled herself from broken and dead parts, the NEW Dr. Jarati/Borg Queen was nowhere to be seen. They didn't even mention or bring her up. Her future borg tech could easily have wiped the floors of our solar system using the old borg queen and its entire cube. But instead, the "Dr. Jarati/Borg Queen" completely vanished, never to bee seen or heard from again in the entire series. I could give you detailed breakdowns of everything that was done and how it was screwed up and the show screwed over. But I think you get the idea from this... Paramount executives really fucked the dog on this one...
@@alaskanfrogman I guess they should have hired you. You could have reconciled all of the screw ups, created the perfect story , and saved he franchise.
imagine showing this on tv to the people back in 1970 would they shit them selves by how realistic it looks to everything else of the time? I think yes
We are, indeed, *Borg*. After I was able to salvage the few precious moments of the glory days deeply embedded into 'Picard' - I *absolutely* would be thrilled to see an entire series about Captain Hanson =) Seven is, was and always will be a highlight of any Trek show, *in my book*.
amazing that the 20 year old borg ship uses the same holographic interface technology that is being used within the federation. Also amazing the those borg devices could hook up to Seven...we know from Voyager that she doesn't have any visible implants on her back...and they manage to go through her clothes without ripping them as well. Also amazing that her eyes turned black...none of the borg queen's eyes ever turned black. Kinda amazing that there was a bunch of green lightning inside the cube, as no other cube has had green lightning that serves no purpose.
1:47 Now that is a terrifying voice. I saw this for the first time and I jolted in my chair. But I was instantly annoyed at how didn't amount for much.
Billions of races brought to it's knees by the borg. Barely any can defeat them with only really 8472 being the one that ever could. The borg seem unbeatable.....until they met an open window.
The Borg to me seems to have so many similarities to Hellraiser, from the fact that their ships are cube shaped and they look so much like cenobites or even pinhead. When her eyes go black and that that deep dark voice says “we are borg” all I can say is wow
if only the Tal Shiar operatives hadn't ejected those borg drones then we'd have quite the show on our hands of Collective vs the remnants of the Tal Shiar
Seven was planned by the Queen as a replacement. She saw Seven as a strong woman, raising her up in the Collective as a potential, but not as a Acolyte. Putting her through rough training and education. A pity they booby-trapped the cube. That would have been the Romulan's doomsday right there.
"From the Moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel, I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not, decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple, will wither and you ask my kind to save you..... But I am already saved, For the machine is immortal..... Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah."
They've waited so long for this day For someone to take the death away No son would ever have to say "My father worked into his grave" Men sleep tonight with hands of bone They will awake with hands of steel And with these hands, we will destroy And with these hands, we will rebuild And we will stand above our city Rising high above her streets From tops of buildings, we will look At all that lies beneath our feet And we will raise our hands above us Cold steel shining in the sun And with these hands that will not bleed Your father's battle will be won!
Feels like a sports team that builds you up just to lose the championship, instantly. Such a wasted opportunity for incredible possibilities, and 7 of 9.
These Borg may not be dead, and the Romulans releasing them into space might have simply slowed down what 7 of 9 was going to do. There are still borg on the planet who are probably still connected to the local network of the ship. I am sure they are more than capable of fixing their ship and fetching their fellow Borg. The androids probably wouldn't mind helping them.
and they don't make sense...how are they better than tactile interfaces? And why does a 20+ year old borg cube have them? Trek has had a lot of tech that makes soo much sense that it eventually became a reality but I don't ever see a future where we will use interfaces that we can't actually touch. The tech serves no purpose except to "look cool".
Star Trek has solid hologram technology yet they suddenly downgraded to translucent hard to see shitgrams? Even on Orville the screens are more opaque.
I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but I guess for Trekkies this is the equivalent of what the "Marry Poppins" scene from "Star Wars - Episode 8" is for Star Wars fans: A really deep, meaningful moment, ruined by an extremly goofy scene just seconds later.
Most anticlimactic scene in Trek history. Seven reactivating the Borg should have become a nightmare horror movie scenario for the Romulans. They should have had to fight their way out, losing most of their forces in the process and the likelihood of their success should have been in serious doubt. Absolute waste.
I wonder if the problem is that the writers are not Star Trek fans. One of the qualifications for making decisions about story lines/writing should be that they are followers of the Trek universe.
SuBvErT eXpEcTaTiOnS. lol such awesome build-up and then they just kill it instantly.
Cant agree more. How did seven gain control of the cube without being able to stop the drones being ejected. No sense what so ever. She is the prime candidate to have full knowledge of how to control that cube and its drones... such a wasted scene
Question:
(Such a bad story! They realy missed the chance of a great comeback.) Why there had to be always a Lara Croft?
Where is the perfect charakter and optik? Clichee and boring.
Boring Punk.
While that would have been a better story to be sure. It is a little more realistic this way. Romulins are Methodical they would not have have started the salvage operation without a failsafe in place. the idea of a cube full of drones reawakening out of nowhere is a nightmare Scenario That would have made a sweet episode or two. But no one would have been willing to work on the cube unless there were a foolproof way to deal with the drones.
Seven got re-assimilated, basically becoming the Queen of her own little Collective. This should have been a major character moment for her. She's risking her individuality and re-joining the Borg. She felt the Collective (her small one) again for the first time in decades. This event could lead to so many interesting stories. Though, I doubt it will be explored in the next season.
Well, this comment really didn't age well, did it? That's exactly what they're exploring next season.
@hanikrummi hundursvin This is perhaps one of the most stupid comments I've ever read. Since when has the US media given a solitary fuck about scifi analogues to real-world ideologies? Where do you think the concept of the Borg was invented, Afghanistan? Right here in fucking LA, during the final years of the Cold War.
LoL you're asking the current show-runners and writers to understand (or care about) Star Trek.
@@JimAsAuthor Oohh! Listen to you get all triggered by a poor comparative analysis! You okay? Need a moment to compose yourself after that unwarranted culture war skirmish? A moist towelette?
@@thesciguy4823 Ikr? Why don't they just use their psychic powers to tailor their products to fit your personal tastes and interests?
“We are Borg” fuuuuuuck I’ve never felt the fear of the Borg until seven became the queen
The Virtorian very true! Was such an anticlimactic ending I mean come on defeated the Borg by popping an airlock :/ I wasn’t impressed by that rapid ending I wish seven had experienced not wanting to release the Borg and struggled with being the queen that would of made a great season 2 villain
Josh Fletcher definitely
i was just going to say something about that. that line delivery gave me chills. and a serious case of nostalgia.
SEVEN = KERRIGAN
@@ProfGlitch TRUE! :D
We know for a fact that borg can survive in the vacuum of space, we also know they have homing beacons and that the borg have transporters. Sevens reaction to them being sucked out should not have been anger or fear, it should have been a smirk, a tilt of her head and the simple utterance of "resistance is futile." as the borg activated and proceeded to begin being beamed back onboard all over the ship by the thousands.
Good idea!
Those people weren't drones anymore. Just like Seven. They couldn't survive in space without personal shields. Which they didn't have...
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Yes they were drones. Only a very small number had been liberated the vast majority on the cube were hibernating drones, which is stated at least a dozen times in the series.
They can survive in space and walk on the surface of ships, sure... But how are they supposed to counteract the momentum of getting sucked out into the vacuum of space after the Borg Cube gets depressurized? There's no air in space to help you push back and redirect your momentum. They're basically going to be alive and drifting into the void until their technological implants no longer have the capacity to function and their biological side dies from the lack of nutrients and support. It's a fate far worse than an immediate death.
@@Lordgeorge16 Read my comment in full. I said had the plot made sense seven would have just beamed those borg right back into the cube....they have transporters.... there is zero reason for their losses.
When she said "we are BORG" a chill went up my spine ...
Highlight of the scene!
The romulans should have received the full lower your shields and turn off your weapons, you will be assimilated speech.
Imagine her finishing with "Resistance is futile"
A chill went up her's too. She had the cables in her spine.
that was the hottest 7 of 9 scene ever!!!
A laugh went out my mouth
When your epic cyborg zombie battle is interrupted by someone flushing the space toilet...
Ha!
Those that approved the script should be fired!
Most powerful and deadly enemy ever seen in Star Trek defeated by an open window. If only there was canon examples of Borg drones functioning perfectly fine in hard vacuum.... cough First Contact cough
Yeah, the writer says he is a Star Trek fan and grew up with it, but you wouldn't know it by this series.
I don’t think you know what happens when you open a window or a door of a ship into outer space, clue: your sent flying out into outer space. The drones are probably alright but don’t have any type of momentum to return back to the cube.
@@captainr800 They are also still dormant.
@@captainr800 They were shown walking along the hull of the Enterprise indicating that they posses the ability to magnetize their feet or generate artificial gravity on their own. Additionally transporters are a thing, so if they're fine they would have been transported back aboard or tractor beamed. My point is, the entire Borg story-line went no where. The entire show was pointless. Artificial Intelligent Cthulhu Gods waiting for younger A.I.'s to call them to be saved... killing organics in the process? Why? Why not just stick around and kill the organics as they evolve? Why after being 'summoned' by the younger ones were they dismissed by the signal interruption instead of just popping through like "Here's Johnny!"? I propose that the Borg surviving and arriving would have shown the Cthulhu A.I. the ultimate expression of Organic and Synthetic merged into perfect unity. It makes for a better story than Picard's ending. Everything's fine because he made a call before the Romulans got there. Red Tape saved the day. Every major storypoint from the season was ripped off from better sources materials and canon was thrown out the window.
Data's entire positronic brain being recreated from a single neuron (OOOOKAY, I'll rebuilt my computer with just a CPU pin to start from), Soong having a never before mentioned or heard of human child, Romulans being able to reach high level rank without someone once ever testing to see if they're Romulan or Vulcan (transporting once would have been enough to be discovered), The super secret Intelligent/secret police being the front for an even secret-er police force, The Federation needing a slave race when they have massive industrial replicators for menial tasks, Hell even the concept of ship yards on Mars instead of an orbiting facility where ships can be built in a micro gravity environment makes more sense... especially since most Federation ships don't land on planets. All of these things make no sense. They shit the bed hardcore in writing. Nothing made any sense. And most of it had been done better elsewhere.
You can make an argument that those Drones in first contact were specially equipped for that. It would be very borg'ish to only equip Drones with neccesary implants. Why else has the Cube an atmosphere?
But you can call it bad writing aswell. As always it depends on your intentions. Do you want this series to work, or not?
Both is perfectly reasonable for me. I'd like it to work, because I actually enjoyed it. Even though it was far from perfect. As TNG and Voyager and DS9 and the movies ... Discovery actually sucked in my oppinion, so I understand the feeling of not wanting a scene to work.
To the Cthulhu AI God thing I'd just remind you of how the godlike Ori from another galaxy were unable to manifest their power in the Milky Way galaxy in Stargate, because the godlike ancients of the Milky Way didn't allow that. Wouldn't surprise me if there was a no interaction rule for super advanced species, similar to the first directive of Star Fleet. The Q continuum might want to have a word with them, if they wiped out organics actively. If lesser beings reached out to them and forcefully opened a gateway to this other dimention, leting them enter through some sort of backdoor it might be a different story.
It's the intention thing again, it can work, but it doesn't have to and granted it doesn't make perfect sense on it's own.
7 of 9 deserves to have her own series. Bridge the back story after Voyager to Picard
That is a popular fan suggestion!
I'm only watching the show for Seven. Patrick & Picard just shits me lately. I'd love it if she was the main protaganist. Plus her character is so much cooler.
@@jaxr2958 That's objectively untrue and you know it.
@@SlatheTheSpaceMarine I know what my opinion is and I've spoken my truth. Surprised you feel you know it better when we've never even met.
@@jaxr2958 Resistance is futile.
One of the coolest moments in Trek, promptly wasted by a lack of imagination.
Could've been great!
100%
@@zAngus :)
Wasted by whining from fans really
This would have made for an absolutrly amazing story arc... Too bad the writers were more into Mass Effect than Star Trek.
Still miles better than Discovery tho.
They seemed to forget that Borg don't need to breathe. They could magnetise themselves and stay in the ship. Those nearest to the hull could cling to its surface.
The writer either doesn't know that, or thinks fans are too stupid to notice.
Worst case, even if they are expelled out into space, they can just be collected later and returned to the cube.
Their biological parts still need oxygen so yes they do need to breathe.
@@matt19norwich Not according to the rules of the Star Trek universe.
They just spread the borg virus across space. when one of these drones latches onto a ship in space. they will assimilate the ship and then start growing and assimilating more ships.
One of the coolest moments in all of Star Trek, followed by one of the most pointless and nonsensical moments in all of Star Trek. They go through this whole sequence of Seven wanting to fight back by making a micro collective to fight the Romulan presence on board but the writers decided that the entire plot point should be jobbed out seconds after it comes to fruition because one Romulan opened a window.
Shame Borg Drones couldn't function in a vacuum and without any gravity. If they could then in Star Trek: First Contact a handful of Borg Drones could have gone out on the ships hull to the Deflector Dish and built an Interplexing beacon to send a message to past Borg in the Delta Quadrant.
Oh....
It's possible that the Borg in First Contact needed time to adapt their footing to the vacuum of space before going out onto the Enterprises hull.
Here they were most likely caught off guard by the sudden loss of air pressure.
Just a thought.
What are the Borg going to do after being ejected?
@@crylittlesister6377 An actually very well thought out point. This is likely what happened although they don't explain anything.
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I was so ticked off when, once again, the Borg arc went nowhere.
Join the club!
Seriously. If they want the Romulans to have the upper hand after a battle fine but to just wake them up and throw them out the airlock without even seeing them in action for a moment? Real shame.
@dfctomm to be honest I don't think they were ever going to be able too keep the Borg as scary as they were.. not if they wanted to expand on them like they did. Maybe they just need to find a new threat to add that will generate a similar fear..
The cube isn't finished yet. The Borg will adapt.
@@William65536 The shame is that even 7 of 9 forgot borg can survive in space....and them being sucked out is a literal non issue...
This was handled HORRIBLY. The plan should've worked, decompressing a compartment should not have thrown away the drones, specially because they were in their alcoves. The cube should've reawakened and repair protocols activated and not long after, it reestablishes contact with the Collective, Seven is now re-assimilated and the Romulans have to deal with a fully functional borg cube. In Q's own words, "Do NOT provoke the Borg!".
But no... the borg has to be nerfed ever and ever... such a waste.
yea they could have really kicked things up a notch in the series. I feel it was a golden egg thrown in the trash
From what I have heard was their implants were removed. I guess those that were in stasis were not fully Borg, but could not survive being separated from the Hive mind. I don't know. This new Star Trek, aka Star Trash, is idiotic.
"If the continuum's told you once, they've told you a thousand times; DON'T PROVOKE THE BORG!"
I totally agree!
borg also survive in vacuum. (ST First Contact) easy for reactivated borg transporters to transport back onboard.. another fuckup by kurtzman & co.
I have to say that when she activated the drones, I got chills that threw me back to Star Trek the Next Generation first borg encounter. Then when I saw them get sucked out into space, I was like "wtf?" Great plot start, terrible crash and burn at the end.
We need to get that across to the writers!
Was a perfect chance to get to see the Borg kick some ass. I was actually rooting for them, but then........ blah! Worst decision in a tv show EVER!
Agreed on the Borg arc. Such possibilities. I will say though, even though I was somewhat disappointed with the 1st season of Picard, I thought Jeri Ryan was amazing in bringing Seven back. Troubled, conflicted, yet sympathetic. Great performance. I always wondered what her fate was after Voyager.
Yeah, most people aren't disappointed with her performance, but with the writing.
This whole scene sums up the Picard series as a whole, for every awesome moment that the writers were able to come up with, immediately comes a bad decision. Seven awakening the Borg? Awesome, so much potential to have some badass sequences of her drones defeating the Romulan soldiers with ease. But we don't get even the chance for it as they immediately get rid of them. She's seen flying the cube later, why not give her this victory?
most true comment ever
What I didnt understand is why did this cube even survive since janeway destroyed the queen and unimatrix one (this control centre for the entire cube) and how did seven use a transwarp corridor when then entire network was obliterated years earlier.
Also I don't think weve seen the last of the Borg, I've a sneaking suspicion that with guinene in the next series as well as seven it might have something to do with ending the collective once and for all
@@nessunday _Voyager_ didn't destroy the entire network, only the tunnel(s) it was using, to prevent Borg chasers. The rest of the network, while uncontrolled, is still probably intact and waiting to be discovered, the way Voyager found the Vaadwaur network. My sense is, given the Borg habit of redundancy, is that while there is no Borg Queen acting as focal point, nor lens (Unimatrix One) to focus with, it is quite likely that smaller sub-Collectives have emerged. And would probably duel with each other for supremacy. Cubes with high percentages of Dreamers (a la Unimatrix Zero) would individualize.
@@xheralt with respects most of what you said was dribble, the unimatrix zero dreamers did not last long and were wiped out.
And seven literally said the transwarp network has been obliterated.
And the collective United whole mini collectives would not start jockeying for power, as that goes against everything the Borg are.
That was the coolest part so far in the series in my opinion. The Borg always have and always will be Star Trek's best species.
Throwing the drones out was such a missed opportunity though. Seeing them as "protagonists" for a short time would have been great. Also they could have used the full "we re the borg" speech
They were until they could be defeated by the lamest TNG or voyager plot. They went from great menace to storm troopers all too quickly.
@Fiona Yes, thank the makers for that writers strike - - - - - -
You’re forgetting the Pakleds ... yeeees. We are Pakled.
They've always scared me even as a kid.
Not sure why being sucked into the vacuum of space would make any difference to the Borg... they don't need an atmosphere, as demonstrated in First Contact. Just transport the drones back inside. Kurtzmann and crew's sloppy writing as usual.
I feel that since 7of9 was résistent to connect herself, I’d guess bringing the drones back would’ve meant diving deeper into the Queen part of the collective. Besides this version better suits Kurtzman’s BS writing style of swipe & run.
simple and normal from klutzman's viewpoint...his writing style is clear: do whatever is most dramatic. It doesn't have to make sense, follow decades of source material or even fit the plot...it just has to be dramatic. Why is Seven a lesbian, rather than writing in a new lesbian character...because it is more dramatic. Why did Seven murder a bunch of people, rather than ask Picard for his help to arrest the woman for her crimes...It's more dramatic. How did Riker, an acting captain, get the biggest, fastest and most powerful ship, plus an armada of starfleet ships...don't worry about it, it is more dramatic. I could go on, but you get the point. STD and STP have been HUGE disappointments for me. My son is 10yo, the age I was when I started watching TNG. But he doesn't have a star trek to grow up with. The "M" rating alone is part of the flaw in both shows.
@Tap Dome with preparation? thingnis we do not know, these drones had literally just opened their eyes and boom, So I think its fair to say they were not prepared.
Don't forget they can also survive atmospheric reentry (ENT: Regeneration)... or maybe 3 drones out of 1000 that were on that sphere can.
Takes control of a Borg Cube then gets trashed by a flower . Biggest load of shit ever seen . Picard was Hot Rubbish . Totally Fucking destroyed the NG series .
Can you imagine how awesome it would have been if seven activated the Borg, they survived in vacuum (like the have before), and seven didn’t want to give up the collective. Imagine a new Borg collective started right here. They could have battled against everyone including the original Borg (if they survived voyager).
Exactly! They walked on the hull of Enterprise E with no problems at all. Are the still just floating or what? So frustrating
yea kinda cool but Star trek ultimately is about mankinds hope and perseverence so seven would ultimately have to be a kind of blue print to liberated borg whove willingly chosen to serve in that capacity . and released once theyve done their bit. kind of a Liberated borg upgrade making them even stronger than their predecessor's because their will and self identity was preserved.
That would have been such a better season
This is one of my favorite parts of the show... and once she said ', WE ARE BORG''.. Crikey... love that and means business...!!!
And then what happened? The Borg got sucked out of the cube, and she then immediately drove it into a planet like Stevie Wonder.
Seven of nine boosted the ratings for star trek picard series.
By 50? 60 people?
She was the only reason why i kept watching that dumpster fire. almost all of the new cast was unlikable.
as she did for voyager
@@ML-yn9yu Well they have more personality than Geordi La Forge and Harry Kim. Who's characters almost entirely consist of fake relationships with holo deck characters and recommending to launch a magical energy beam from the deflector to rescue the ship. Also - in Geordi's case - rolling through the closting gate out of the machine deck as the last person dramatically short before the warp core had to be ejected for the 200th time.
@@Fotoschiki other than the captian rios, not really. Like I said, thank god seven of nine,will and troi popped up.
Borg: We can survive the vacuum of space and being frozen for 100+ years just fine.
Also Borg: Don't vent us into space, we're too fragile.
Never saw part 2 of "Scorpion" did you.
@@ELFNY this and that are two different things. getting venting out of voyager would let their momentum carry them away. they can survive vacuum but they don't have jet packs. they have no way to get back onto an enemy ship. but venting them out of their own ship is somewhat questionable. if the cube had operable transporters then it should be possible to get them back
@@insertcognomen The problem was that the drones just woke up. This nullified the threat that they could otherwise pose if they hit an unwary Romulan ship. The transporters were probably also not working yet since Seven got barely started at reactivating the Artifact. This means that they were for most purposes lost until the issue of the Romulan fleet was dealt with.
I thought this would set up season 2 with 7 of 9 becoming a rogue Borg queen and Picard and co trying to rescue her from herself. Instead they crashed it into a planet never to be seen again.
Good ideas like that are what the writers should be coming up with!
Maybe it's a bit stupid, but later it was shown, that the cube survived the crash, and started to self-repair.
It would be a partly silly partly awesome sight if the cube could return to orbit.
@@ilyesistvan8331 Why return when it can simply assimilate the planet and be a planet size borg ship?
@@sashmiel6566 planet ship? Waste of resources.
Strip mine the planet, make generators, launch new ships, use the planet as a staging ground for a new Borg node until you get your orbital elevator and other facilities up and running.
This was literally the moment when I started to think "oh wow, am I about to finally start to like this show?"
And then it was like the writers heard me through time and laughed their asses off before giving me the finger and going "nerds really think we want their filth anywhere near our show?"
I was really hyped for this huge borg battle scene and then just... nothing
Yeah, this would have been a killer, but we got nothing at all.
Yeah, there's nothing new under the sun.
@Fiona Yeah, the Borg aren't the scary bad guys they used to be.
@Fiona they really did miss a lot of tricks with this. i was very surprised that they gave it a second season.
One thing I remember well from First Contact is how borg drones die so quickly in the vacuum...
Eh not such that they will die right out, but they do become useless to her cause jettisoning them into space.
@@talisredstar1543 Could have teleported them all back aboard in a couple seconds, but the story was crushed...
I'll have to be honest, when they all said "We are Borg", all I could think was "All this union, all this syncronazation is just beautiful".
Ha! It sounds like you got OCD tendencies like I do!
1:40 *For the trailer;* the close up of her black eyes and then pulling out to hear her say _"We are Borg"_ should've been the opening of the first trailer.
It would have been a nice little misdirection while massively exciting the fans.
Admit it, everyone wanted to see 7 of 9 use that cube to go on a rampage through that fleet...
Seven goes so far as to do to others as was done to her as a child to win a War, making her the new Borg Queen in the process-and pretty much all of the Drones are dead in seconds. Seven deserves better-and it would have been brilliant to see the Borg back on the battlefield with Seven directing them. On the other hand, I suppose, Borg Cubes are no joke?
With her controlling only one cube, I think it's safer to call her a Borg Duchess rather than a Queen.
Back in the day, those cubes are the meanest b*tch you could ever find. At least until pimp hand arrived on the battlefield
@@yachiyous9110 No kidding. If you were unfortunate enough to run afoul of just one Borg cube in the early days, you were basically completely and utterly fucked, non questions asked.
When others are getting older, Jeri is just getting more perfect.
have souz seen her without makeup?
She is a fine woman
@@pillepolle3122one can only hope.
The years was generous for her. She's still beautiful.
Very true.
You ain't kidding...
This was the coolest scene in the entire season of Picard
nope. Starfleet jumping and captain riker have this scene beat. by a few hairs.
It's right up there!
This kinda feel like when Kerragan in the game Starcraft become Queen of Blades again.
What a wasted opportunity. This could have been a season long arc. But nah she just shrugs it off like nothing happened
Really wasn't interested in Voyager until Seven showed up. Her uniqueness contributed greatly to the series.
(spoilers) It was fantastic to see Seven again but the entire Borg subplot went nowhere. She awakens the borg and they all get sucked into space and nothing happens. Then she takes control of the ship and it immediately crashes on the planet and nothing happens again.
I just realized that 7 left with Picard and the gang , so the ship must still be on Coppelius. That could make for some interesting writing.
Yes, it's because the writers are only interested in pyrotechnics and not coherent storytelling.
Captain Picard really needed Space Ship Punching Gloves that can punch at Warp Speed.
"Engage Warp speed punch!"
And then he punches the Borg Cube, and punched Ambassador Tomalok, and punches that Romulan with the ancient Vulcan weapon, and punches Vaj, and punches Thayd Harconan, he just keeps punching till everyone has been punched, then when there is nobody left - he still has one punch left in the chamber for himself.
@@SlatheTheSpaceMarine Mmm, okay. It's a better script than the one the Picard writers were able to cobble together.
This is 90's level CGI, it's like they aren't even trying at this point.
I think they rushed the scene a bit:
Elnor: "You could activate the cube, then do it!"
Seven: "Assimilate them! Invade their minds?!? Enslave them again!"
Elnor: "So just free them later!"
Seven: "Ehhh, good point...sure why not..."
Ha!
I mean, it was less like "Sure why not" and more like "We really have no other choice. It's dangerous, but it's our only option."
The CGI quotient is off the charts in this.
What could have been….and shall be, Seven of Nine, Captain of the USS Enterprise-G
This must have sucked for the borg queen who stood around waiting and realised. I heard the phone ring and someone hung up
"That's not how the force works!"
It is if it's in the script!
This should have been the birth of the Borg Cooperative
"If I had a strip of Latinum for every time I made a miniature collective out of disconnected drones, I would have two strips of Latinum.
And while that isn't a lot, it is still weird it happened twice!"
Yup! That scene has been a wonderful metaphor for whenever I used to log in to facebook.
This was such a missed opportunity.
The whole series was honestly :(
@J F And likely willingly too depending on the outlying circumstances. This could've been a new faction of Willing Borg if fleshed out properly.
Willing Borg. That's a twist that writes itself.
@Tin Watchman it was. The effing show was called "Picard" 1 season in the books and Im still waiting to see if Picard is going to make an appearance. A Sevenn Borg queen plot they just toss in the trash. A convoluted andriod planet that made absolutely no sence... and the picard-droid ending was lazy writing at best. The characters are shallow and uninteresting.. and while I did like the Data sendoff did bring a tear, it was a big fucking build up just to see him die again. Not to mention, its based on a relationship Data and Picard never really had. It had its moments, but it was bad. It was really really bad.
What a Checkov's gun this entire cube turned out to be. Such a shame too, they could've kept the idea floating around for whatever series the Enterprise G is going to star in to be a vehicle to tell a deeply personal 7/9 story.
There are a lot of justified criticisms of ST: Picard, (although I thought some of the fans went a little overboard). However, any criticism of Jeri Ryan's character, I simply can't agree with. Timeless beauty, gutsy performance. Simply great.
This is one of the most powerful screens in star trek history. This screen send chills and fear down my spine. Star trek over Star Wars any day.
When seven of nine says we are borg. it is so chilling to hear that once again
And then everything is blown out of the window. :(
Well, at least she flew it to the android planet and made quite the entrance!
The best and also most anti climatic scene ever. After all the decades of Seven resisting her Borg 'upbringing' she reconnects for just a little bit, and the single, most hairrasing phrase ever 'We are Borg' is the most powerful quote out of all Trek. Then they handled it so wrong after that.
"They'll be useless without the voice of the collective."
Guess she forgot about her little group on Voyager that functioned just fine when they were cut off in fluidic space.
Never thought I'd be routing for the Borg, that was pretty sick how she reactivated them when her eyes turned black.
The Borg made for the hands down, best episodes of Star Trek NG "Best of Both Worlds" pt. 1 & 2
The way this should have played out was, they blew them into space, and seven, with possibly a bit of a chuckle, said, you'll have to try better than that, and started transporting them back inside. Or a variation maybe that the guy says they are venting them into space, and she says, drones can survive in space, but the transporters are offline, the ships regeneration matrix will have them operational in 30 seconds, and then she beams them all back, and has a lot of new romulan drones.
What I dont understand is why the Borg all died when being vented, since they can survive in space (sure more then a few would die of their injuries) and why didnt she use the cube to destroy the romulan fleet I would have thought that would have been a distraction in itself.
Side note this does answer the question about other drones who were assimilated at wolf 359 why they were destroyed along with the original cube
The cube was being studied and is partially dismantled. As a precaution. It's likely all the defenses and offensive capabilities were deactivated. The drones were severed from the collective with implants removed.
Finaly the Borg Queen we all wanted.
The Borg Drones: *"WE ARE BORED."*
*[Drones GTFO]*
Ha! Good one!
lmao " we are bored, lets kill everybody "
,,,,=^oo^=,,,, plight of the North American Native people
She still has the bum of legends. I've always loved her acting and singing talents!
That is really cool that they highlighted her singing skills on Voyager. They also highlighted her acting skills, as she became the Doctor in an episode, and became several characters who had been assimilated.
They had to spend at least $27, maaaaybe $38 on this CGI.
Low budget Stark Technology
they had a groupon!
Ohhh... I just LOVE 7 of 9... This scene more than any before or since, proved one thing. That 7 of 9 was destined to be the new borg queen. And only for the few short seconds in this video was she actually the borg queen that could have been. The writers really fucked up when they teased us with this and then didn't follow through.
7 of 9 as the new borg queen would have been a terrible and a formidable opponent of starfleet because of her insider knowledge of exactly how starfleet worked and thought. This is because of her years of experience onboard the USS Voyager where she was freed and liberated from the borg collective.
In this scene she interfaced and merged with the queen's technology and she interfaced with the thousands of remaining borg crew members onboard the captured borg cube held by romulans. The cube that they referred to and called "The Artifact." In her brief encounter with the remaining crew members. 7 of 9 rejoined and created a whole new collective that could easily outgunned, out maneuvered and completely outpaced the romulans that held them captive. The only reason that the surviving borg cube crew members did NOT do so before, is because they had all been simultaneously been severed from the mind of the borg collective.
The writers really took a deep-dive into the shithole and really took a concentrated and constipated dump on this one. The things that could have been, and the things that could have carried this series into a new realm of possibilities, all lost and flushed with the shitty ending that completely negated this part of the series when Seven interfaced and became the new borg queen... I was so pissed off and sickened by that overdressed and super, sickening sweet ending to the picard series...
The last season was an effort to clean up the mess that was made in the first two seasons. I think Terry did a decent job with what he had to work with. They should have hired him in the first place. Then maybe there might have been a few more seasons.
@@gigmond No... he did not. All he did was take the mess of all 3 seasons and quickly threw a fantasy ending together that didn't make any sense at all. They had a new borg queen when 7 interfaced with the cube.Then they ignored her again by taking the "Dr. Jarati Character and joined her with a borg queen from a different timeline.
7 of 9 had it all. She was filled with key insider information against and about "the mighty federation..." As a new borg queen, she could have gone in one of 2 different directions... 1, be an even MORE of a dangerous threat to the federation, or 2, be a powerful borg ally with them because she's not just a borg, she's the queen of that borg collective in the cube... but still the individual that was freed by captain janeway in the delta quadrant.
Instead, they came up with that shit-show ending with the borg queen that had somehow miraculously reassembled herself AFTER Captain Jean Luc Picard destroyed her biological components and killed her electronic components in the Star Trek: First Contact movie. From that point on, the borg collective was no more because the entire and whole of the collective was run and created by the only borg queen in existence when she traveled back in time and Picard chased her through the temporal wake when he followed her borg vessel. He KILLED the existing and ONLY borg queen onboard the USS Enterprise NCC 1701-E. By killing the queen, the borg ceased to exist because the only brain center that it had was for all intent and purpose, dead
But yet SOMEHOW, she managed to end up back on that borg super-cube where she cannibalized the crew and consumed them and reassembled herself. How the HELL did she get away from Picard when her only mechanical remains were still on the Enterprise-E? It was dead because Picard killed the still functioning electronic borg mechanics of the former queen cyborg. It was not able to function without its biological components because it had a humanoid brain that powered its intellect.
That writer created a fantasy that is impossible to exist and was pure bullshit. The writing completely fragmented the story line and plot and was so idiotic stupid that any 5th grade student could have done a far better job telling the story.
Where was Dr. Jarati/borg queen from the future? She swore to be their ally, but when the OLD borg queen somehow and miraculously reassembled herself from broken and dead parts, the NEW Dr. Jarati/Borg Queen was nowhere to be seen. They didn't even mention or bring her up. Her future borg tech could easily have wiped the floors of our solar system using the old borg queen and its entire cube. But instead, the "Dr. Jarati/Borg Queen" completely vanished, never to bee seen or heard from again in the entire series. I could give you detailed breakdowns of everything that was done and how it was screwed up and the show screwed over. But I think you get the idea from this...
Paramount executives really fucked the dog on this one...
@@alaskanfrogman I guess they should have hired you. You could have reconciled all of the screw ups, created the perfect story , and saved he franchise.
Seven of Nine? More like 10/10 !
imagine showing this on tv to the people back in 1970 would they shit them selves by how realistic it looks to everything else of the time?
I think yes
@@raven4k998 even 10 years ago this would have blown their minds
@@orlandoalessandrini2505 yeah but not as much as in the 1970's cause tv was much much newer tech then
@@raven4k998 agreed
We are, indeed, *Borg*.
After I was able to salvage the few precious moments of the glory days deeply embedded into 'Picard' - I *absolutely* would be thrilled to see an entire series about Captain Hanson =) Seven is, was and always will be a highlight of any Trek show, *in my book*.
amazing that the 20 year old borg ship uses the same holographic interface technology that is being used within the federation. Also amazing the those borg devices could hook up to Seven...we know from Voyager that she doesn't have any visible implants on her back...and they manage to go through her clothes without ripping them as well. Also amazing that her eyes turned black...none of the borg queen's eyes ever turned black. Kinda amazing that there was a bunch of green lightning inside the cube, as no other cube has had green lightning that serves no purpose.
Well they have to make a big thing to compensate for the idiotic ideas in Star Trek Picard, which has failed.
1:47 Now that is a terrifying voice. I saw this for the first time and I jolted in my chair. But I was instantly annoyed at how didn't amount for much.
I remember he was quite a good tennis player. Bjorn Borg
Admiral Janeway:
What have i done?
Ha!
A continuation of voyager would be great, but we got this
@@ProfessorArt1 First time I've heard that!
Billions of races brought to it's knees by the borg. Barely any can defeat them with only really 8472 being the one that ever could. The borg seem unbeatable.....until they met an open window.
I love the borg ship in picard.
The Borg to me seems to have so many similarities to Hellraiser, from the fact that their ships are cube shaped and they look so much like cenobites or even pinhead. When her eyes go black and that that deep dark voice says “we are borg” all I can say is wow
Seven you can assimilate me any time lol
if only the Tal Shiar operatives hadn't ejected those borg drones then we'd have quite the show on our hands of Collective vs the remnants of the Tal Shiar
This is so cool. Glad to see one of Star Trek’s best characters get their story.
hearing seven speak in the voice of the collective both chilling and awsome thing at the same time.
I really wanted Seven to start singing You Are My Sunshine when she was activating the drones.
This could have been such an awesome sequence. Instead they wasted it.
Seven was planned by the Queen as a replacement. She saw Seven as a strong woman, raising her up in the Collective as a potential, but not as a Acolyte. Putting her through rough training and education. A pity they booby-trapped the cube. That would have been the Romulan's doomsday right there.
Is there ever a time Jerri Ryan is not hot? No? Didn't think so either.
This scene is unforgivable. Shame on them for wasting such a great idea.
His naivety is rather endearing in this scene
Assimilate them so we can use them, then let 'em go after we win!
Even good Romulans can be very pragmatic. Also, having been raised in an otherwise all-female order, he is used to trusting in women.
this clip is better than all the star treks combined, great CGI and storytelling
This was the equivalent of a Dragonball Z moment where a hero gets a massive power boost to defeat the enemy, and the writer goes, "eh, nevermind."
Hmm...
*Cough cough* GOHAN *cough* buu saga
It gave me chills when she says We are Borg
As I understand it, Jeri Ryan didn't reenter the Star Trek franchise until she found a suitable script. Brava!
So why did she do this atrocity
I really began to appreciate Seven's character in Picard alot more than I ever did when she was on Voyager. Seven was so badass here.
7 of 9 is confident, intelligent and down right cool, love the way she as a woman is being portrait...🙂
That's a straight up tuff scene.. WE ARE BORG
"From the Moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.
I craved the strength and certainty of steel, I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh, as if it will not, decay and fail you.
One day the crude biomass you call a temple, will wither and you ask my kind to save you.....
But I am already saved, For the machine is immortal.....
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah."
They've waited so long for this day
For someone to take the death away
No son would ever have to say
"My father worked into his grave"
Men sleep tonight with hands of bone
They will awake with hands of steel
And with these hands, we will destroy
And with these hands, we will rebuild
And we will stand above our city
Rising high above her streets
From tops of buildings, we will look
At all that lies beneath our feet
And we will raise our hands above us
Cold steel shining in the sun
And with these hands that will not bleed
Your father's battle will be won!
Man everyone gets a borg collective in this show.
The most kickass scene of the entire series. More of this, less fartin' around.
Trying to imagine Rayden saying, "Fartin' around," is pretty comical.
@@blujay1608 Yep and you know he would refuse to say the contraction, he would say "farting around "
Feels like a sports team that builds you up just to lose the championship, instantly.
Such a wasted opportunity for incredible possibilities, and 7 of 9.
I really wish they would have done more with this... actually using the borg, hit a few classic lines... not just flush them all...
Join the club!
Mr wish the drones had helped save the day
We are Borg! That was so cool
These Borg may not be dead, and the Romulans releasing them into space might have simply slowed down what 7 of 9 was going to do. There are still borg on the planet who are probably still connected to the local network of the ship. I am sure they are more than capable of fixing their ship and fetching their fellow Borg. The androids probably wouldn't mind helping them.
This might be, how a holografic control interface would look like.
I really dislike how intent they are on using holograms for almost everything, it never fully blends with the hand movements.
They need to get some tutoring from Robert Downy Jr. ! AKA Tony Stark
Ever since Minority Report, holographic controls have been the lazy Sci Fi trope.
and they don't make sense...how are they better than tactile interfaces? And why does a 20+ year old borg cube have them? Trek has had a lot of tech that makes soo much sense that it eventually became a reality but I don't ever see a future where we will use interfaces that we can't actually touch. The tech serves no purpose except to "look cool".
Star Trek has solid hologram technology yet they suddenly downgraded to translucent hard to see shitgrams?
Even on Orville the screens are more opaque.
Agreed! There should be more voice commands. Like the kids said to Marty McFly in BTTF2, 'You use your hands? That's a baby's game!'.
My favourite episodes both next generation and voyager were they encountered the borg.
I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but I guess for Trekkies this is the equivalent of what the "Marry Poppins" scene from "Star Wars - Episode 8" is for Star Wars fans: A really deep, meaningful moment, ruined by an extremly goofy scene just seconds later.
Probably the single best moment of Picard.