JAM Waterfall & Analog.Man Mini Chorus - PLUS Vintage CE-2 and Small Clone (AKA. "MN3007 HEAVEN")
Вставка
- Опубліковано 28 лют 2019
- Welcome to Perky's Analog Gear Demos. Please subscribe for more demos of vintage & rare effects pedals!
So - today, we'll be looking at two of the best-respected modern, boutique chorus pedals....the JAM Waterfall and Analog.Man Mini Chorus. Both are based on vintage pedals....and for good measure, we'll be looking at those too!
How do these two amazing chorus pedals compare? And do they sound like the oldies they're based on?
What do you think? Which is your favourite? And why? Comment below!
Guitar is a Gibson SG with Mojo Gold Foil Pickups recorded through a Dr Z DB4 (SM57), a Hughes & Kettner Puretone Combo (sE Electronics RNR1 Ribbon) and a Cornell Romany Plus (recorded with a 1970s MD441)
joeperkinsmusic
jp@joeperkins.co.uk
Vector images by freepik.com
![Lp. Последняя Реальность #97 ЧЁРНАЯ МАТЕРИЯ [Анти Скинт] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/k4MjXCzKsYw/mqdefault.jpg)
Another useful one...thanks
I really loved this demo. great job a/b ing between the vintage and the boutique pedals. The vs. part was also very helpful .This is the first video I've seen of yours, and Im subbing .
Thanks mate - glad you enjoyed it! :-)
@@JoePerkinsMusic I've decided not to get a chorus .I think I'm gona try using a vibe ,because I run a wet dry rig .It would be AWESOME if you could do a e.q.d. orbiter vs walrus Lillian. I love things about both of them ,and no one has a/b these two pedals .Cheers stay safe .
Very helpful video. I own a waterfall circuit in the Jam Pedals Ripply Fall; I agree on the high end chime. Looking to get an Analogman mini chorus to use for modulation on his ARDX20 on my other board.
Good demo!
Loved this video.. im amazed how close the Jam and Analogman sound... Jannis and Mike know their stuff...
Two of my top 4 or 5 pedal designers! :-)
@@JoePerkinsMusic Mine too and super well deserved. They are not top notch engineers they are top notch Artist's
Demonfx mini chorus uses the MN3007 chip too. Same ole noisy BBD chorus as the Analogman chorus but $50 v $300. Build quality isn't as good but for sure good enough. As good as 95% of pedals tbh. Yea I love my analogman Sunlion with NKT275/OC44 (theres no equivalent to to this) but wouldn't pay $300 for an effect I seldom use. I've owned the AM and the demonfx chorus and yea the demonfx is virtually the same. Like 99% the same.
Great comparison! I got the BOSS CE2w first, then the JAM Waterfall, and now I'm getting the AnalogMan Mini-Chorus! Those are pretty tones on the CE2w and Waterfall... but one can only handle so much sweetness. The high end of the CE2w and the Waterfall is too much, and it wears out the ear. I got sick of them. The AnalogMan Chorus is warm and full. Mike knows what he's doing. I have high expectations for the Mini Chorus!
Analogman over the EHX. Jam Man over the CE-2 ( very close ). Jam Man was the Best of them all. I'd also check out the Free the Tone Tri Avatar ( my favorite chorus pedal ), The Tortuga Martini, The Shiva Little Wave ( for that 80's rack chorus sound ). I'd be curious to hear the Analogman Mini with the Depth switch ? Fantastic Demo.
I’ve got an old CE2 with an analogman on the way. Something about the CE2, it does this like slight mid push thing. Best chorus ever. And I also believe there wasn’t enough chorus used in the 80s as well.
great review. analogman it is
I like the Jam as much as the Boss, easily. It's very similar, with a bit more intensity than the Boss. Also, check out the CMATMODS Analog Chorus.
There's not a whole lot special about MN3007's other than their place in history. They're pretty subtle and darker than what a lot of people nowadays are looking for, hence many of the new boutique choruses and delays that use replica chips usually sound brighter, wider, more obvious. A lot of people are buying pedals for their own personal enjoyment and not so much to use in recordings and mixes with full bands and things, hence most consumers are looking for a "wow factor", and pedal makers are constantly trying to deliver by stepping things up a notch. Classic vintage pedals were much more reserved and subtle, but that is really great for recording.
If you're really into MN3007 chorus, go track down a Diamond Halo Chorus before they shoot up in price. Diamond was put out of business late last year, but there's still a handful of new Halo Chorus pedals with NOS MN3007's in them at shops in Canada, and a few used online - the market hasn't realized it's scarcity quite yet.
Which would you think is better for jangly postpunk, the analogman or jam? I’m thinking the jam, but really wish you could get it with a mix feature like the analogman. But the jam sounds clear enough that you wouldn’t need a mix knob? I have and love the ce-2 but it definitely kind of dampens the chime and adds some congestion
I'd say the Analogman is a bit thinner in the low end than the JAM, so for me it works better with overdrive for chimey sounds.
@@JoePerkinsMusic just what I needed to know, thanks! Extra cool because I really wanted the mix feature
As always, another great review Perky! I have to say I liked the Analogman more because it has a darker, more brooding tone than the Jam. Do you have a favourite dark chorus pedal?
I remember my vintage yellow MXR Chorus being quite dark...that was nice :-)
@@JoePerkinsMusic yeah, that’s the old stereo chorus.
Another great video, Joe! Just FYI, I believe there's a typo in the title ("MN300" for the chip name. Unless I'm way off, haha). Just wanted to give you a head's up!
Cheers Phil! Aha, it was supposed to be a poor pun on the '7' rhyming with Heaven...I'll change it so it makes a little more sense! :P
@@JoePerkinsMusic Oooooh, haha. I get it now!
Hopefully it makes vaguely more sense now! hah
Joe, do you know if the Waterfall can handle over 9v like the Analogman mini? I've just bought an early version with the mn3007. It seems the newer production ones possibly have reissue mn3207. Anyway! I've also sent an email to Jam pedals, but really you were the first person I thought of when this question popped up. I love my analogman, especially at 12v, but I've started craving more of the ce2 sound lately. I should have purchased an old ce2, but I'll get there! Thanks for any time and help you might have to share. :)
Hi mate - I don't, I'm afraid! I believe that the chip AM uses runs optimally at 15V, which is why Mike allows for higher voltages, but with the JAM I only ever ran it at 9V...it _may_ be able to take more, but only JAM will be able to tell you that. Sorry I can't be of more help!!
@@JoePerkinsMusic I've yet to try mine at 15v. Need to grab a power supply for it. Yeah I was thinking I would be okay to run the jam higher. I'll report back here once they give me confirmation for anyone else curious about the older NOS units. Hey love your videos, thanks for your time anyway!
@@ripplebear Cheers mate! I'm _guessing_ they'll say stick to 9v, but will be interesting to hear! :-)
@@JoePerkinsMusic you guessed it! They didn't go into detail, but did confirm over 9v is a no go! Even if it is safe with the older mn3007 units, probably preferring to keep things consistent and safe. No harm! Still very much looking forward to trying this one out. Thanks again, Joe!
@@ripplebear Yeah...safer to say 9V only than say anything that might lead to a warranty claim! :P Enjoy the wobbliness! ;-)
Analogman has a low end that the Small Clone doesn’t, but it doesn’t distort your sound like alot of other chorus pedals do. The high end is also tamed down a touch. Everything about it is better. Considering the price difference, the small clone will do just fine.
Hey bud. So I decided on the ripply falls based on this video and I’m glad I did. Wow! Blown away. Actually ended up selling my Analogman chorus because of the awesome subtle phaser / chorus combo. I sure hope you do a video on the jam pedals extreme soon! Would love to hear some killer tone ideas you might have. Particular on the pitch shift. Hoping soon! Thanks man
Ah nice one mate - replacing the AM is a big thing!! Don't think I'll be checking out the DL Extreme...too many parameters for my liking; very happy with my DL+!
Joe Perkins Amy other delay your recommend?
@@empathysgone96 I really like the Fairfield Meet Maude for more washy sounds...it's much darker than tape, but has a little bit of that mechanical modulation effect to it. It's really fun to play around with :-)
Joe Perkins I have been eye balling that one. Also the solid gold fx electroman. I already have the volante and I love it but would love a delay with more of the chorus type modulation. Hhhhmmm decisions! Hey I really appreciate ya taking the time amigo. 🙏
No problem :-) I like the modulation in the Meet Maude because it’s a bit more random and mechanical - the Memory Man sine wave modulation is a bit predictable for my tastes!
I’d love to hear a comparison of the ce1, ce2 and new waza chorus.
Dan & Mick from That Pedal Show did just that. Search the video out.
"One way ticket to hell" on the wall ;) like it ! I own the Jam for years, it's awesome with clean tone. The new Boss Dm-2 waza craft is better for crunch. If you wanna go for high gain as Zakk Wylde, play with MXR.
So many people love the Darkness posters!! haha Ah yeah, the JAM is lovely - never tried the Waza but I've heard good things from a couple of mates who have :-)
Don’t drive my car! Great stuff..
I’ll keep my line6 aqua chorus
Honestly, I thought the JAM waterfall and Analog.Man were strikingly different than the CE2 and the small clone. could easily tell them apart. That said, I also preferred the Analog.Man to the EHX. I did like the CE2 better than the JAM, but the JAM had a fuller frequency response that I really liked. I think both modern pedals did a great job of being inspired yet creating their won awesome unique sound. Even though I own two CE2's from the early 80's and a 80's era small clone....I'm definitely thinking about buying the JAM (I already have a Bi-Chorus so I don't need the mini).
Conclusion: we all need all four! ;-) hah
Absolutely!! Love your videos.
Thoughts on jam pedal versus Analogman for acoustic?
Never tried them on acoustic - but I think either would be great. They’re not too dissimilar in most respects, both are lovely & have a nice high end. :-)
Joe Perkins just ordered the ripply fall. I have an Analogman chorus mini. Let’s see who stays? I’m kinda diggin the phaser on the ripply fall. Looking forward how it will sound with my rig!
@@empathysgone96 Fantastic!! I used to have the Ripple phaser and it was fantastic too...so the Ripply Fall gives you the best of both worlds!!
Joe Perkins thanks for your help bud!
out of the four of them , boss ce2 for me.
Managed to pick one up a couple of weeks ago. Needless to say i'm very happy with it :-D
Never let it go! ;-)
all i know is it ain't fuzz hahahahaha. nice vid Joe
Haha!! Please accept my sincerest apologies for this unfortunate dip in subject matter! ;-) heh
Analogman is amazing, could be the revival of the Chorus pedal? I mean can anyone say that Analogman chorus isn’t amazing? Great demo 🎸
I want to bring chorus back!!!
Many will agreeJoe, its TIME 😂
I thought the Mini sounded a wee scooped for my taste
I recently purchased a "long dash" CE-2 and it is glorious. I prefer the JAM to the Mini but that's only because I prefer CE-2's anyway. That said, I totally agree that the Mini is an improvement on the the S.Clone. Very useful for classic rock rhythm guitar in particular. If it were my toolbox, I'd have the CE-2 and the Mini.
Yep - I believe (believe!!) the Long-Dash CE-2s were slightly different in circuit to the later ones....most Long/Short dash Boss pedals were identical, but I think there was something else changed with this one. I could be very wrong on that though...please correct me if I'm talking rubbish! :P To be honest, I think I'd agree with you.....AM for the board; CE-2 for the vintage sound ;-)
Lefty power!
I choose........all of them :) Must be a real bugger finding left hand guiatrs.
It's not _too_ hard - but it can be very frustrating at times when really lovely instruments are only really made righty!
Overall, I think the Analogman and the Jam did a better job than their vintage counterparts.
Like 177
.
retro sonic, ohhh wait!
Sadly I don't own every epic chorus ever made!
@@JoePerkinsMusic Just kidding , I own an Analogman but I would really like to get a Jam.
Why does that Analogman pedal even exist? It's just a clone of an affordable pedal in an ugly enclosure, at twice the price. Is a variable depth control really worth an extra hundred dollars?
Did you watch the actual video? He addresses the exact improvements and they seem pretty important, especially to the modern player that doesn’t want their core tone hijacked when they stomp on their chorus.