Toji’s full statement is “I don’t work for free, that’s what I would say before making a run for it” he than goes onto say that he wanted to crush the six eyes for self affirmation and he deviated from his true self “at that point I had already lost” this doesn’t simply imply he was mental nerfed power wise. It implies that he would not have even fought Gojo if he was at his best true self. He even thinks “this uneasiness” which he thinks again before the statement I referenced.
I think it's "both," so to speak. Based on Maki's "freedom amp," Toji is not being his "True Self," as in being constrained by curses, sorcerers, people, and himself. This would be a "Mental Nerf" if would retrospectively compare it with Maki. This isn't to say Toji would've beaten Gojo without the Nerf. But I'd say we would've landed a few more hits, so to speak. By both, I mean in the sense that fighting Gojo would effectively nerf him in itself. Because it's against who he is. He's generally supposed to be free of all this "ego' nonsense. Yet he falls short thanks to it.
@@Lys4nd3rit’s not a mental nerf. It’s clearly stated by Toji himself that the only mental nerf was him taking on the fight in the first place because it was a guaranteed L. He wasn’t nerfed, but rather the opposite if anything because he felt like he had something to prove.
@@Watermelon_Man actually you've proven that he was nerfed pride and arrogance are mental nerfs pride which he stated that he thought he had discarded. Maki had to free herself from everything and is stated that she no longer even cared about the outcome of her fight, which is the the exact opposite of what was happening to Toji while he fought Gojo he cared because he thought it meant something he was spiteful, prideful and wanted to crush the peak of Jujutsu sorcery at that point because of how he'd been treated by the zenin.
I consider Yuta > Toji in terms of power and abilities but in a fight, Toji isn’t Maki, he’s an assassin who’ll take the upmost precaution in fighting someone who he considers an actual threat. With Toji’s physical stats boosted to pinnacle of the series due to his Heavenly Restriction and his arsenal of weapons/tools, the fight is definitely in his favor. Of course Yuta can’t be considered to be outmatched entirely since I definitely believe that Yuta does have a few tricks up his sleeve like RCT and his 5 minutes at Full Power. However I think Yuta will have a much harder time landing enough damage on Toji to put him down before his 5 minutes are up and Toji retaliates.
Vol 0 yuta and Rika were too op for main story had to receive a soft nerf/rework in order to balance power scaling of jjkverse. 1) Vol 0 yuta had to channel Rika through objects to use curse energy and techniques. 2) Vol 0 yuta had no experience as a sorceror and hence needed Rika powers. 3) Vol 0 Rika was a vengeful curse spirit that was always present and could manifest whenever yuta was in danger without time limit, and could copy cursed techniques without any need to consume body parts. 4) Hence Rika was theorized to be yuta cursed technique due to cursed technique usually manifests around the age of 6 years of age and yuta hadn't shown signs of possessing any innate cursed technique. Yuta and Rika in main story 1) Yuta now has reached this level own his own having boundless cursed energy and able to fight without need for manifesting Rika. 2) New Rika is just a shikigami and serves as an external storage for yuta Cts and curse tools. 3) She can be manifested fully for 5 minutes. 4) She fights as a tag team partners and receives instructions subconsciously from yuta. 5) Yuta has mimicry/copy cursed technique with certain restrictions but has now perfected it to a level where he got his special grade certification back in just 3 months.
First of all even if I didn’t watch the video completely. It is a great action to accept if something was wrong. Really shows the great character of six
I think something interesting to take in account is reverse cursed technique. This was a game change to Gojo in his fight against Toji, at the point he was only able to win after mastering it. It is a very useful power, since it gives you healing and a whole new deck of cards reversing your curses techniques. But the more important is the skill necessary to use. Yuta was able to master RCT soon after he even learned how to use regular curse energy, an ability Gojo Satoru struggle to master. This implies that Yuta may have more conscience of what curses are than young Satoru Gojo.
Another thing to note is that Yutas output of RCT is severely limited by him not being Gojo explicitly. Sukuna can keep up with Gojo in the RCT department because Sukuna easily has the highest cursed energy volume ….in the series, him being able to spam RCT like Gojo can is evidence enough of that but RCT consumes a LOT of cursed energy. That’s not to say it isn’t a major benefit to Yuta’s survivability and potential to reverse certain techniques if that’s even something he can do, but it’s not on the level of Gojo where he can practically perpetually perform it because of the Six Eyes.
That said, it's stated that Yuta has way more Curse Energy than Gojo, sure Sukuna has even more than Yuta alone. But Yuta tapping into Rika's supply makes his Curse Energy near on par with Sukuna (nearly limitless). Yuta only has access to it with a fully manifested Rika, which he can only sustain for 5 minutes. In that 5 minutes, he's near unstoppable being able to spam copied Curse Techniques and Reverse Curse Techniques at will. Yuta's CE output is low by itself but can be boosted or used for a secondary CT/RCT through Rika. Not to mention that with a Binding Vow, Yuta can maximise their combined CE output if need be. The simple fact that Toji is Heavenly Restricted with Zero CE gives him numerous advantages against Curses and Curse Techniques, especially if he is using the Inverted Spear or Soul Blade. Toji is naturally heavily resistant to Curses and Cursed Energy based attacks. However, this doesn't apply to Reverse Curse Techniques or combined CT & RCT attacks like Hollow Purple. If Yuta was able to utilise RCT attacks like Reversal Red or combined CT & RCT attacks like Hollow Purple, he would have a decent chance of winning against Toji. Even the Inverted Spear wouldn't work against RCT or combined CT & RCT defence's or attacks. Given Yuta is able to percieve the Soul on some level, either Rika or himself would likely be able to instinctively guard against attacks made with the Soul Blade. However, even if he was able to perceive the Soul enough to be able to attack Toji's back directly; Toji would tank those hit's to the face all day due to his innately Stong Soul from having his Heavenly Restricted body. As the Soul is the Body and the Body is the Soul, especially in Toji's case; As demonstrated when his Body was able to over power the Grandson's Soul during the Shibuya Incident. It would be a tough fight for either of them, but both have a decent chance of winning. It's likely around a 50/50 on who would win between them both, give or take 5-10% depending on circumstances and prior knowledge of their opponent.
Also teen Gojo was a little exhausted against toji. He didn't slept for couple days & was fighting to save someone. It wasn't a truly straightforward 1v1
Gojo was wildly nerfed, because he didn't have rct. Jogo would probably be a hard fight for that Gojo. Once Gojo got rct his six eyes truly became godly, as well as his CT.
@@kaze_829 but that’s the honored one if you’re gonna scare him against the strongest sorcerer he’s gonna look weak but if you remember from the manga when he was resurrected effortlessly took out special grade, cursed Dagon and his strongest Shiki Gami which most of the Zenins strongest thought they were going to die if megumi didn’t open that hole in the domain let’s also don’t forget that this included Nanami megumi maki which if you ask me is a pretty stacked team that could jump most curses. Yuta is considered a special grade sorcerer who can be healed by rika and copy most techniques with this also comes with the fact of Tojis heavenly restriction, or a lot of curse techniques, won’t be able to work on him, including some domain expansion’s having like zero affect so that illuminates a decent part of yuta s kit know if we come down to the street, hands and physical ability. It obviously goes to Toji including speed in reaction time. But yuta still has a massive. Advantage over this fight. Because of. Rika but even then, I doubt he’ll still be able to handle. Toji fushiguro
I think diving into semantics is a bit weird when it comes to Yuta. He's stated to be the second strongest to Gojo but this inherently just means he's the strongest of our protagonist's group. Kenjaku, Sukuna and Gojo are all stronger.
Aside from Hakari who becomes stronger than Yuta under specific circumstances and Kashimo who isn’t a modern sorcerer or included in the second to Gojo statement, yea
@@jocoolshow Hakari does not become stronger. He just gains infinite cursed energy and can regenerate from next to anything like a Curse. Kashimo isn't anywhere close to Yuta's level as a special grade. He isn't even mentioned as a threat by Kenjaku.
18:12 Gojo actually makes a statement saying that if he were to get weakened to the point that he is weaker than Hakari and Yuta that they should step in to help him fight Sukuna. He doesn’t include Maki in this statement, so this could be Gojo implying that Hakari and Yuta are sort of a level above Maki. It could also be that Sukuna is just a really bad matchup for Maki compared to Yuta and Hakari so take it as you will.
6:05 Maki doesn't say that Yuta is stronger than her, but she did imply that Yuki and Yuta are on the same level, and she's not included. It can definitely be interpreted in different ways, but I don't see how the fandom "Gaslighted" themselves
Same level as in they’re both special grade. Gojo is also special grade but theres a huge gap in power between gojo and yuki. I dont think the gap between yuta and yuki is too big but yuta is above yuki.
@@RedRag684 the story has moved past the "grade" scaling dawg, he wins due to hax tho. Yuki seem to be kinda fresh since she was not good with the domains.
If Hakari and Yuta can easily beat up Maki but none of the other characters can touch her that means she is a heavy hitter too, just not on the same level as the other 2. And it's stated right there that Yuta is the lead, if you want to use "relativity" it would be between Hakari and Maki and it would still be wrong. The only thing that's wrong there was the lack of Kashimo but the begining of my comment explains it already.
The match up of hakari and maki is a bad match up for hakari as his technique is inherently connected to his domain and he soul sword would do damage to him regardless of rct
@@jackgonahieu4999 not necessarily true first she could just refuse to enter the domain and also the info dump potentially wouldn’t work since to the domain she’s just and inanimate object. The prerequisites and regulations of the domain would be entirely convoluted and glitched out by maki
@@Endisfree_ i mean, is not like the luck shite has anything to do with the other person in the domain, just Hakari. It's not like malevolent shrine or unlimited void.
@@jackgonahieu4999 I don’t think you got what I said. There’s a reason the info dump is there. It acts as the necessary sure hit that every domain has in its restrictions. Without these rules being applied the domain won’t work
You bring up some nice points. I still disagree and think Yuta takes it mid-high diff but it’s what I love about JJK! It’s a very complex series, it makes matches like this actually super debatable 🙏
“On a roll” is almost definitely referring to Hakari’s fourth jackpot in a row. You don’t see the trump card of Yuta and Hakari in their final fights deliberately.
The thing with Toji is that while fighting in real scenario he can just run away and hide for a while and no one will even find him, he is at a major disadvantage while being put in the arena like situations
I think Toji knowing about Yuta is iffy because The higher-ups at Jujutsu High didn't realize he could output RCT, so it seems he keeps his cards close to his chest.
@@JPMonster13yeah he is quiet Ngl. He probably has a lot more up his sleeve he has Uros sky manipulation, the cockroaches ability. He probably has ryus blast too.
I think it’s heavily implied that during jjk 0, maki would’ve taught him about most cursed tools, and the most historic or powerful ones would’ve been the first ones covered.
I believe Toji wanted to fight Gojo (in the 2nd round) To prove himself and because he clapped Gojo in the 1st round, but when realized something was wrong he definitely would've ran away but since he deviated from his usual self, he stood his ground.
Yea someone in this comment section pointed out something I didn't think I needed to but Toji at his best probably just wouldn't have fought Gojo again.
@@sixfromtokyo TOO MUCH TOJI COPIUM. YUTA USES URO'S REDIRECT PLUS A SWORD ATTACK EQUALS A DEAD TOJI. YUTA USES CURSED SPEECH ON TOJI'S CURSE SPIRIT, THERE GOES TOJI'S WEAPONS. YUTA HAS TOO MANY UNKNOWN TECHNIQUES AND TOO MUCH VARIETY FOR TOJI. AND IF YUTA EVER LEARNS HOW TO USE RCT TO EXTEND RIKA'S 5 MINUTES. LOL AND BETTER HOPE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FESTERING LIFE SWORD. Addressing the often abused Sukuna "feat" everybody and their mama like to overexaggerate like a dbz scaler. First off Sukuna's "blitz" was literally when Ryu "the king" was charging his granite blast, we have never seen Ryu move around or dodge while getting ready to fire this attack, it comes to reason that Ryu is susceptible in close combat when doing this attack if the opponent is fast enough to take advantage of the charging time, and guess what, Yuta "the first MC", also reacted to a point black granite blast but his feat might be better as Yuta reacted to it after it was fired. How you guys are equating Maki vs sukuna with sukuna vs Ryu when sukuna with one hand was taking Maki on while taking on yuji with his other hand to sukuna taking advantage of Ryu charging his super attack is crazy. And furthermore, a big brain fighter like Yuta with the abilities he has copied being beaten by a guy who would not know anything about his abilities and who was beaten instantly by Gojo because he had no info that purple existed.
About the Fan book calling Yuta's CT "Rika," in the book it does say: "This fan book is based on the contents of Jujutsu Kaisen up to volume 15. Please note that settings and other information may change depending on future developments in the story." I think they were hiding that Yuta's CT is Copy. Idk but I thought it was worth mentioning
Yuta can see whatever Rika can see and vice versa so there is that And Rika is not a curse technique. She’s a shikigami or the remains of a shikigami that allows yuta to use the abilities of his CT Yuta curse technique is mimicry If mimicry is like adaptation, then yuta is capable of copying CTs before he actually activates using them just like how sukuna can rank stuff with the dharma chakra and then afterwards activate the wheel already adapted
@@Charlsmagne clearly an error because his curse technique has literally been stated to be mimicry on the most occasions and the proper translation in Sendai is that Rika allows yuta to use mimicry opposed to Rika is his CT How would Rika being his CT even make sense. Wouldn’t it rather then be that he can summon any shikigami but Rika just so happens to be the shikigami that he summons?
@@DebateNetwork6 kenjaku says it He says it Narrator says it Uro says it Also. When the domain was done Rika didn’t even disappear so how the hell is she a curse technique You guys just go with this narrative now because six said so Sheep
@@guilha1506 When Ryu launched Yuta into a building Yuta blocked his granite blast then in the next panel you see Yuta's fist appear in front of Ryu who is noticeably shocked and he gets punched into the ground. Awakened Rika also blitz Ryu after tanking his granite blast I mean he's looking directly at her and isn't able to block or dodge.
You sure about that?,cause sukuna did say he could replace 1 finger amount of power with his carcass,meaning each finger has a set amount,wether it stacks or adds it would have to be linear
@@Yu-dp5hp But Ryu reacted to that, he immediately used his energy blast against Yuta If Rika can blitz him how she was punched in the next panel the exact same way she did to Ryu? If you think that two characters who are shown to fight equally can blitz each other you have no idea about what a true speedblitz means
I did not just hear this man say that Toji could probably beat Yuta, Yuta literally can warp, the sky tell Toji to just stop moving, reversed cursed technique, Rika who could completely hold Yuji who mind you could keep up with maki. All yuta needs is "Don't move", Make rika hold Toji and then slice his head off
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wlThat's exactly why it would work. Cursed speech doesn't require that the target has cursed energy rather cursed energy is just used to reinforce the commands. In combat with a cursed speech user they can reinforce their ears (or specificly the brain) with cursed energy to "block" the attack, but since Toji doesn't have any he has no defense against the ability.
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wl It's never been stated that the target needs CE for it to work, just that it hits a point in the brain which (nearly) everyone has. If it wouldn't work that would render all techniques useless since "they don't have CE", but they've been hit by cursed techniques before. A rock doesn't have CE but we've seen Todo imbue them with it multiple times so he can swap using Boogie Woogie, same concept is used with Cursed Speech. Domains use the CE like a heat sensor so using that as an example isn't applicable, it can't "see" them so therefore it can't use the technique. Your suggestion is that the two fighters in the entire series who use ONLY their physical dominance to overpower people through hand to hand combat, use both their hands to defend against the technique?
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wlso if they cover their ears how are they gonna Guard their body 🤨🧐🤨 standing still for even just a second is instant death their not guarding Yuta and Rika while protecting their ears Regardless of the fact where Yuta is now Toji & Maki are Food for Yuta. In my most humble opinion I fancy the Hakari vs Mahito or Hakari vs Maki. Hakari vs Maki truly is a competitive fight he smokes Mahito though no Dif
It's explained that shikigami users are physically weak and don't focus on their body and h2h combat. It's explained that megumi and geto are rare cases. Yuta is seen attacking Dhruv and not his shikigami.
yeah if those shikigami are good enough to hold two special grade sorcetors and a special grade curse at bay when they're clearly miles away from the user they're pretty good
I think one of the best arguments for Sukuna speed blitzing Ryu is something Six says a lot. Context matters. Look at Ryu’s face in that scene, he’s absolutely terrified. He approached sukuna because he’s addicted to his “desserts” but then when he came face to face with the King of Curses he froze up and was able to be one shot. It just makes me think Yuta would steel his resolve a bit more and not be able to be speed blitzed
@@guilha1506 that’s if you can channel it into your fighting spirit and use it to fuel you in a fight. It doesn’t exactly work if it causes you to completely freeze up and not really use it to your advantage
You can use attacks in domains that do not have surehit imbued in them and would thus make toji susceptible to attacks Sukuna used one against Gojo to break the simple domain since the surehit wasn’t doing it fast enough Jogo used one against Gojo to test his domain out
Toji knew that he couldnt take out 17 year old Gojo without wearing him down I dont think its reasonable to imply that Sukunas Speed increases based on Finger consumption. The fingers are Cursed energy amps. Theres no reason to believe Sukuna is any faster at 20 fingers than he was at 3. Yuji believed confidently that staying with Yuta would keep Megumi and everyone safe. He also believed, just off of one encounter that Yuta may be able to Stop 15 finger Sukuna on a rampage. (This, being hard to say as Yuta should be able to minimize damage taken from Cleave and dismantle through raw cursed energy and RCT, but we wouldnt know how He would try to handle Malevolent shrine.) Yuta was so obviously holding back in Sendai. The primary example is that Yuta only uses Techniques copied IN SENDAI, or that Kenjaku already knew. He went in intending to show as little as possible. Maki was convinced that Yuta is downplaying himself by implying Hakari is stronger than him. Im not sure how you can leave this out and jump to speculating about which Yuta hakari beats. I do not believe that Toji has any chance of beating Yuta. Simply put, Yuta is further along as a sorcerer than gojo was at the same age, and Toji could not take out Gojo with Cursed technique reversal, and a basic RCT. He is second only to Gojo in the modern age, and while i do believe Toji/Maki are Special grade threats, Yuta has too many tools, and too strong of stats With his cursed energy alone, but the raw potential of all the techniques hes copied that we have NOT seen just adds on to him being too strong for Toji to take on.
Yh this is entirely correct, idk what ppl get out of downplaying yuta. With his crazy amount of CE along with his various CTs, RCT and Rika. He’d beat Toji in a straight death battle pretty decisively.
@@nzuz169 they're just trying to cope w the fact that HR is Op but not enough to beat Yuta. The only way I can imagine Toji beating Yuta is killing Yuta before he notices Toji. Besides that? Toji is screwed.
@@kaze_829 Yeah it’s definitely cope. I hadn’t even considered toji had that win condition since he intentionally fatigued Gojo and Gojo dropped his guard after completing the mission. But I do like toji so I’d still give him that. But yeah you’re right besides a perfect sneak attack, toji is pretty much finished.
I agree yuta beats toji, but Sukuna speed definitely scales with fingers. Gojo was way way faster than him at 1f but not at 20f, and Maki, who is equivalent to Toji who was stated to be around 3f sukuna speed, was only able to keep pace with a 15f sukuna who's output, and thus his speed, was fluctuating down to 10% at its lowest.
why do ya make it so complicated ? Yuta just cant react to Toji's speed because he doesnt even have CE and ofcourse Teen Gojo with nerfed six eye has better reaction speed than YUta . Toji just speedblitzes him and YUta wont even recognise when he gets hit and if Toji uses his soul splitter katana then YUta cant heal . and of course Yuki is stronger than Yuta for sure so is Hakari
I think that people in the community tend to latch on to things that are said or implied as something etched in stone, and not leaving room for nuance. Let me preface that I watched like 10 episodes of the anime and was getting Naruto vibes at first so I was kind of half interested in watching more. I went and saw the movie and the introduction of Yuta drew me into the story. Then I finished the anime and now am following the manga. With that out of the way, I'm saying this without any bias, I think that when Yuta is referred to as second to Gojo, it's because of the versatility Yuta has to him, not necessarily highest power output. With the abilities he has in addition to his copy technique, Yuta can gain advantages in a variety of ways whereas someone like Todo for example they have a great technique but if you remove his ability to clap his hands it's beatable. Yuta likely is someone that would push a top tier like Sukuna to do more than what he did to Ryu, because Yuta would have some kind of way to get out of it. I believe Yuta is strong because of his versatility, but not necessarily the hardest hitter. That would also explain his response about Hikari. But the big three, Yuta, Hikari, and Maki, are all dangerous in their own right and deserve the respect they get.
Even with toji being unfocused he still wouldn't have been able to do anything against gojo. Even when he was at his best, he still needed to tire him and off guard him
@@mmmm-lr2gz he was the only thing that was rusting in his lethality, going for the kill. Making sure he was dead, after killing gojo the first time he was in his groove
I'd say Toji could've fought young Gojo without tiring him out and won. The issue is he could've easily lost with a single mistake, then he'd have to fight Geto as well. It's the difference between maybe winning, and being sure you'll win
THIS DUDE SAID ALL ARGUMENTS AGAINST HIS VIDEO WERE INCOHERENT AND WRONG, THIS SOME CRAZY LEVEL OF DENIAL-TYPE STUFF, SOMETHING RARELY SEEN OUTSIDE OF UCHIA FANBOYS. Addressing the often abused Sukuna "feat" everybody and their mama like to overexaggerate like a dbz scaler. First off Sukuna's "blitz" was literally when Ryu "the king" was charging his granite blast, we have never seen Ryu move or dodge while getting ready to fire this attack, it comes to reason that Ryu is susceptible in close combat when doing this attack if the opponent is fast enough, and guess what, Yuta "the first MC", also reacted to a point black granite blast but his feat might be better as Yuta reacted to it after it was fired. How you guys are equating Maki running around with Sukuna to a guy getting cut up while charging his super attack is crazy. And furthermore, a big brain fighter like Yuta with the abilities he has copied being beaten by a guy who would not know anything about his abilities and who was beaten instantly by Gojo because he had no info that purple existed. Yuta vs Toji isn't close as Toji would get beaten senseless, he has too much variety, and toji wouldn't know anything about Yuta countless tech leaving Toji to be instant killed by counterattacks' ex uro's redirect PLUS Yuta's sword equal a dead Toji.
Regarding the soul split katana, you are confusing the damage that can be dealt to the soul to soul transfiguration(Mahito CT) which can't be reversed by RCT, but direct damage to the soul can be healed by RCT ( Yuji beeing heald form Meguna cuts, same with Gojo). And if you want to bring the Inumaki and Angel case the only thing stoping them from beeing healed by RCT is that nobody can use that high level of RCT on others(Shoko/Yuta) even if they could do it for themselves like Gojo.
Where did we learn that Sukuna damages the soul in his attacks..? Like we know he hurt Mahito, but that was because he could perceive the soul, which was stated to be the prerequisite for damaging Mahito
@@battlecast9202 He can perceive the soul thus he can damage the soul. That was the observation Mahito made when he fights Itadori. It isn't : perceive soul -> can damage Mahito It's : perceive soul -> can damage soul -> can damage Mahito
@jasonlu4514 My understanding is that Mahito was immune to physical damage, unless somebody can perceive the soul. Maybe I need to reread where they explicitly say perceiving a soul allows you to damage it. If that were the case, Maki wouldn't actually need the Soul Splitter sword right?
@@battlecast9202 Maki can't percieve the soul. She isn't a vessel. Mahito said that Yuji was able to damage his soul because he had a good grasp of the shape of his own since he was a vessel. Sukuna also fits the criteria as seen when Mahito first touched his soul.
Nowadays Yuta with granite blasts and sky manipulation have higher chances, i think. Like, he can redirect any hit Toji throws at him except for two weapons that can go through the cursed technics. Also Yuta can fly using sky manipulation
Interesting argument, at this point we've seen everything Toji can do, he'll never learn any new techniques or have powerups, his character growth is done. Yuta on the other hand has a lot more potential, Gojo ascended on the brink of death, its possible Yuta could do the same. At this point it really just comes down to a plot power-up.
I disagree with _"Everything he can do"_ His character was too short-lived in the series for us to see what more he can do; they can do that with Maki, sure. But as for Toji, especially with Hidden Inventory/Cursed Inventory, we have only seen 2 Cursed tools so far. Who knows how much more cursed tools Toji has. We also can kinda confirm he had Playful Cloud due to Geto pull it out from the Cursed Inventory.. Point is: He could have more cursed tools at his arsenal than what he showed when he was still alive.
Six eyes might be the reason gojo got enlightened. He fully focused on the truth when he was dying. A six eyes user sees cursed energy differently and curse energy usage is also close to zero.. Gojo is above the rest.
inverted spear of heaven dismantles any cursed technique it comes into contact with, so i would assuming stabbing rika would sever yuta's connection to her, cutting off the usage of copy and rika herself short, so it would just be a battle of physical which toji wins
Versus battles within JJK are way too ambiguous. The thing with JJK is power is not everything. It comes down to abilities and intelligence more often than not to declare a winner. Prime example is Kashimo vs Hakari. Kashimo is significantly stronger than Hakari but Hakari was able to pull out the W because of his abilities and quick thinking to use his environment to directly counter Kashimo’s abilities. Yuta is absolutely stronger than both Toji and Maki. That does not necessarily guarantee a win but it does mean more likely than not he will be able to pull it off. When doing a versus battle you have to look at who will win more often than not rather than small ways one character could possibly pull out a win over the other character. I see Yuta winning 90% of battles.
The spear probably just needs to touch the technique and doesn’t even have to make contact with the user considering it would’ve had to shut off infinity before he could even stab gojo
6:38 I think that, while it’s not explicitly stated, Sukuna’s fingers scale exponentially. That’s how 1.5 Fingers could throw hands with Maki despite Toji being at least 3 Fingers. It could also explain the whole “Jogo is equal to 8-9 fingers” when he VERY CLEARLY is not. Essentially if Sukuna is at 15 Finger power, a single finger could be equal to 3-4 Fingers individually, closing up the loophole
This theory would also be supported by the fact that the second finger bearer was “several degrees stronger” than the first, despite the fact that they’re essentially the same thing. A curse containing one of Sukuna’s fingers.
Ion think it's that close Toji lost to an Teen Awakened Gojo who would scale below a lot of characters in Current Time going off other statements and feats around 3 Finger Sukuna & Toji in Current Time & Yuta is the second most powerful Sorcerer in Current Time right behind Gojo
Maki has received like 3 power ups so far, i think is safe to say she is above Toji and not his equal and that the statements still comparing him to her are just a mentality topic rather than strength related. Sukuna and Uraume respecting her strength is enough for me.
@@shenFen-jf2jk no idea what translation is that, chapter 198 says "a fierce human on par with Toji has been fully realized" meaning she was already on par with him but now she is fully realized, implying is a mentality/resolve thing. Maki has been compared to Toji ever since Mai's death. ISH and the Mai sword are the same thing in terms of abilities. Toji having more weapons adds nothing to his own strength, he is more prepared if anything.
@@khulmach9662 Toji was rusty during the first strike to Gojo, he said so himself. The mentally nerf thing is the same that Maki had before she became "fully realized" on chapter 198.
@jackgonahieu4999 It's the viz translation I think? Neither of us speak Japanese anyway. But any version states she's equal not stronger than Toji. Saying she's stronger is speculation. ISOH negates any cursed techinques, the katana damages the soul they don't have the same ability.
Could you cover a topic I've been a bit curious about? It's if gojo at during the shinjuku showdown was actually stronger than his shibuya version, cause that month of training that happened, I can't imagine it helped gojo very much and I don't think there was anything that implied that he got stronger outside of being jacked as shit
I think an advantage Yuta has that most other sorcerers don’t have is that he has so much cursed energy that he can make up for any physicality difference for the most part against almost anyone. His main tool is his sword, so he also is already on the same page as Toji in terms of fighting approach non curse technique related.
Yah our boy six can’t power scale JJK. Everyone including Kenjaku who doesn’t think highly of Yuta has him above Maki… Yuta is killing Maki and Toji in a 1v1 because he basically fights 2v1 😅
Disprove one thing six said then I'm getting tired of people hating on six without providing one single good counter argument like go watch someone else then why don't you
@@christianrowe992 easy, I have a video on my channel. There also other videos by people that cover JJK more than Six that have covered it. I.e BR, No Operator, etc. I like Six and am a subscriber, so i'll comment my disagreement. In his last video a wrote a bunch of rebuttals. The 2v1 aspect of it is literally the biggest counter to all his arguments against Yuta.
Where does the delusion come from that Toji stands a chance against Yuta? Lmao. Toji got 2-shot by a teenage Gojo once Gojo wasn’t fatigued. By default, every special-grade sorcerer would be stronger than said Teen Gojo, since that Gojo wasn’t a special grade. Yuta would wreck Jogo. Toji isn’t doing the same 💀.
False. Special-grades are stronger than sorcerers who aren’t. Also, Jogo losing to Toji? Lmao. The same Jogo that both an adult Gojo & 10-15 Sukuna called strong? Absolutely not. He’d get wrecked.
@@jamesmassey4863Proof that Gojo wasn’t a special grade? He was stronger than Toji, who is on par with Maki, who is put on the same tier as Yuta and Hakari. Jogo who gets clowned by 3F Sukuna? Jogo who was outspeed by Naobito without his arm? May I remind you that curse Naoya is way faster than his human self, who reached speeds far greater than his dad, and wet Toji can react to him The scale is kinda simple: Toji = Maki > Curse Naoya > Naobito full speed > Naoya full speed > Naobito without stacking speed > Naobito without his arm > Jogo Toji simply speedblitzes and one shots Jogo with no difficult (don’t even talk about Sukuna complementing him because Sukuna was wanking Maki in their whole fight)
1) Geto, who was equal to Gojo back then, showed his grade in JJK 0. It was in-between special/1st grade. So yeah, he definitely wasn’t back then. Same tier? My guy Toji got 2 shot by a teen Gojo. That teen Gojo is weaker than special grades by default. 2) Jogo fought a 15 finger Sukuna, not 3 lmao. Jogo tagged Naobito right after that before he realized what happened, so that’s a moot point. Also again, Sukuna, someone who is infamous for mocking weak people throughout the series, with 15 FINGERS, called Jogo strong. Gojo also told Yuuji verbatim: “I want you to get strong enough to beat that guy.” Meaning he was seen as strong by the 2 strongest people in the entire series. Unless they’re both lying for whatever reason? So you trying to act like he’s fodder is INSANE lmao. 3) Toji would get bodied so bad, it’s hilarious. Why would Sukuna “wank” Maki? That’s a bad argument. For 1) he said that she wouldn’t be easy to take down before they even fought, since she fought his Nue without sustaining injuries. 2) he saw how skilled she was when he was forced to fight her with only CQC. Her area of expertise. You saying that the most arrogant character in the series is “wanking” anyone is laughably bad.
When it comes to 15 finger Sukuna vs Maki and Yuji I feel like most ppl are leaning too into if it isn't one it is the other. I think it was clearly shown that both can be true. Sukuna clearly confimed that his ct was flactuating and at its lowest was 10%. That doesn't meen that he is at full power the rest of the time. Why would Megumi just stop inerfering as if Sukuna couldn't just beat up his friends? This is only solidified after what he did to Ryu. That moment was clearly there to show what an unsuppresed 15f Sukuna could do. Whats the difference btwn then and when he fought Maki and Yuji? Megumi was repressed.
This fight could go in different ways Gege hasn't explained the full extent of yuta's abilities Honestly this fight could end in less than 5 minutes Yuta uses curse speech on toji Tell don't move Cut of his head and all the elaboration you did will be pointless
@@beane777 toji can't protect himself from curse speech bcos he doesn't have a curse energy There's nothing dumb there I just stated one of the ways the fight can go If both of them fight The author is the one to decide who will win and how the person wins
Been waiting for you or swag to jump on scaling jjk we honesty need good scalers like you two who don’t have agendas in the series they’re trynna push.
@@jackgonahieu4999 he may have his favorite characters in a series but he’s unbiased when discussing said series. At least from the streams/videos I’ve watched. Unless you take him trolling as him pushing an agenda then idk what to tell you tbh.
@@duanjuandelanooch9721 the first JJK video is clear as day an agenda for Toji just like the Minato vs Tobirama video is for Minato, idk what to tell you.
@@duanjuandelanooch9721 so i guess im a Yuta sympathizer just because im pointing out this dudes clear bias over the 2 characters he put them against? Lol, what a load of jack.
I do still believe yuta vs toji, yuta wins, however, this video gives a lot of information and opinions to think about regarding statement and feats for yuta and toji/maki. Good vid.
I think it’s hard to say how yuta would do in a fight because we don’t know how skilled he is with his copy technique and what his domain actually does. Even using his fight in the culling games is hard to say how skilled he is, like you said he was in a battle royale or a two on one but he had two fights before that and it’s not stated that (from what I remember) that reverse curse technique refills stamina just heals injuries so he could have been pretty gassed already fighting two special grades before fighting two more
Rika and Yuta’s senses are linked. Rika is not a cursed technique so she wouldn’t be hindered by Toji’s weapons that disable techniques. Hand to hand, Toji has the upper hand but Yuta has been quoted as a master level hand to hand combatant. He has an arsenal to arguably more cursed techniques than anyone in the series, PLUS Rika, a combined hybrid form, nearly unlimited cursed energy, and a Domain Expansion that he was confident would kill multiple special grade users at the same time, and can use reverse curse. Toji lost to a Gojo who just learned how to use his curse technique and was very sloppy with it. Yuta was trained by a much older Gojo who does know all of this stuff. Not to mention Yuta having not mastered Rika, beat Geto, who at the time, was the only person besides Toji considered to rival Gojo himself. I honestly think Yuta would win fairly convincingly against Toji.
It's literally stated in the fanbook that she is. Which is written by Gege the author. and before you say "Bro Copy is his CT" Yuta has multiple CTs which is why he can only use his CT after Rika is activated.
It is interesting trying to scale on-going series as arguments naturally change over time as new chapters are released. If you plan on making a video regarding Gojo, maybe a video talking about how Teen Gojo would stack up to characters like Kenjaku or some of the reincarnated players like Kashimo?
@@hobbyhorse5848 Pretty classic case of an established antagonist jobbing to show how strong the main villain is. Not saying it's bad writing per say but I would be lying if I said I wasn't surprised with how easily Sukuna finessed him.
@@ghoulkinggruul7345an imo the writing of JJK has been getting sloppy for awhile and we the fans excuse it way too much. It was definitely out of left field and felt super underwhelming, like how Yorozu’s ultimate bug armor couldn’t even see past rabbit escape despite having compound eyes and the traits of “many strains of evolution”(there are bugs with crazy sensory abilities)
@@hobbyhorse5848 Oh yeah, I guess that was a missed oppertunity. Personally I enjoyed the Yorozu vs Sukuna fight but apparently a lot of people didn't like it.
He was stated to be the strongest sorcerer in the modern era after Gojo. No he isn't on 15finger lv or Kenjaku because that statement excludes them both and people like Toji as well
@@emmasongbiaye2205 Yuta is stated to have more CE than Gojo but is less efficient with it because he doesnt have 6 eyes. Ryu is stated to have the highest output ever and lost to Yuta. How come Yuji can't scale while literally being in the story and having Sukuna inside of him yet you online mfs can? Lol, even then, my comment was simply pointing out where the Yuta being on 15F levels came from.
I never understnad when people say that 10% of 15 finger sukuna is 1.5 finger sukuna... that's implying that every finger sukuna gets back he gets the same amount of strength as 1 finger sukuna, and that isnt the case he's just jumping in strength by thresholds each finger
I hope you see this but in regards to the 10% sukuna vs maki fight, its important to note that its heavily implied that sukuna's fingers doesnt give him linear growth so him at 10% is likely far above his 2 finger self, at the same time, sukuna said his Cursed energy drops when he's attacking maki or yuji and not in general, when he made this realization he uses cleave on the ground at 100% in order to catch them off guard, so in speed when sukuna is defending himself hes at 100% speed and strength which is how he qas casually holding off maki and yuji
Thank u I’ve been saying toji was not at his best in that fight it stated and shown in that arc against geto instincts are a big part of heavenly restriction and he ignored them and rushed ahead and then died toji is top tier in the verse and wins against most ppl he fights
I understand Yuta’s domain effect probably wouldn’t work on Toji. But couldn’t he at least still get the stats buff? So well not used to it’s max potential I still think it could be taken into consideration. And yeah Toji could just run out it’s range. But we’ve seen what happens when two *relative* fighters are going at it in a domain. Well the other tried to escape in Sukuna vs Gojo. Sukuna wasn’t letting Gojo even get a single step back from his starting position.
Gotta appreciate how you addressed EVERY argument and made things clear. From Maki likely scaling to 15f in stats to "Toji and Maki can speedblitz special grade shamans is absurd" , and "pre rct doesn't scale to Toji just cuz of... someone's interpretation" to "mindset affects stats in jjk and thus Toji had a mental nerf in his second exchange with Gojo" and everything else Need more jjk content from you
@@sixfromtokyo yeah people are talking about how your "Sukuna can't be at 10% of his base strength..." doesn't work. The explanation given is that Sukuna's fingers are exponential amps. I'd just say theres no evidence for that. Jogo ~ 8-9f statement has many reasons to be flawed + it's been established that 3f Sukuna > Jogo so it only makes sense that 15f would blitz and violate Jogo
@@eyepatch_1234it wasn’t established 3 fingers is stronger than Jogo. Gojo explicitly said Jogo is stronger than Sukuna is currently which was 3 fingers
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 Gojo only fought a weakened 1f Sukuna and so he didn't know how strong a fp 3f Sukuna actually would be. He likely conjectured Jogo > 3f based on Jogo's ce reserves which doesn't work In chapter 31 we get a solid comparison between 3f and Jogo by a reliable source of information Mahito says "in his current state , his ce levels should be even less than Jogo's. But his presence , his soul is on another level." Considering Mahito would always correlate the soul and the actual strength ( eg. When he talks about his , Todou's and Yuji's soul healths before their fight ; when he talks about Hanami's soul being restrained and how it nerfed her in terms of strength which happened to be 100% true ) , he's basically saying that even though 3f Sukuna had less ce than Jogo , the former was much stronger
Do you believe if yuuta and toji are at relative speed that he can keep up with rika AND yuuta, who would both be relative if not faster individually, on top of the fact hes got to deal with cursed speech, rct, and the countless techniques yuuta has up his sleeve
I love yuta, but I do think people overhype him a lot. This would have been a really cool fight and I agree that it would be hard fought on both sides regardless of the outcome. Glad you made another video it's always interesting to here your takes whether I agree or disagree with them.
Am very late, but I find the fact that Megumi nerfing Sukuna's Cursed Energy output bad. Megumi, a person who struggles to take control of Sukuna's possession of him can nerf Sukuna's output, but Yuji who absolutely shrugs off Sukuna's possession like a fly couldn't?
Great take on 15F Sukuna inside of Yuji being physically stronger than 15F Sukuna inside of Megumi. Also great take on the output being limited in the fight rather than his stats as a whole.
This isn't really about the video itself, but I just had an idea on something. What would happen if a person with Heavenly Restriction ate a Sukuna finger? Like, would it cancel out the cursed energy from Sukuna or would the person still blow up from the power?
Sukuna was with less than 10% of his output, and output is directly related to cursed energy reinforcement, so he should be slower and weaker But this doesn’t mean he was with just 1,5 fingers of power because Sukuna’s fingers are not a linear scale. We see that despite not having a big difference in fingers, Jogo gets no diffed by Sukuna (who was holding back). And if the fingers were linear Yuta would have about 10 fingers of cursed energy, which is close to Jogo’s cursed energy, and ain’t no way that Yuta and Jogo are on a similar level of cursed energy This explanation pretty much solves all the issues and inconsistencies that other interpretations bring
The 10% thing is moot, as he said himself that his physical movements were fine. Meaning his CQC skills weren’t effected. Maki is just relative/superior in H2H combat to Sukuna. Reinforcement only enhances strength. Doesn’t take away from his skill as a fighter.
@@jamesmassey4863Sukuna saying that his movements were fine just means that Megumi couldn’t control his body Reinforcement increases all stats (strength, speed, durability and others)
Exactly. Which means outside of the inability to enhance his strength, he can still fight in H2H/CQC like he normally could. Which means Maki fighting him like that, is legitimate. Again enhancement only enhances stats. It doesn’t remove or amp your combat skill, so it’s a redundant argument.
She scales to him/is superior to him in CQC for sure. He’s an overall stronger person, she’s a better fighter. Hence why he told Uruame he was glad she focused her “frost calm” on Maki instead of Yuuji, since SHE was the actual threat in the fight.
Hey, are you still up to discussing this on discord privately? Honestly I feel this video lacks in alot of more aspects than the previous one, and really has some fucking weird points (alot of caricatures being used to be clear). Do you mind having discussions on this topic again like you did last video?
I think it’s more likely the statement is with Rika+Yuta cuz thats kinda the base standard of FP Yuta. A domain amp is temporary yet the statement is likely just in reference to Yuta in general. Nice video though.
I think considering that Yuta himself says that Hakari at his best is stronger than him obviously makes them relative we can’t include Maki in that she struggled in killing most of her clan even after awakening she took massive damage to Naoya who didn’t even want to try to fight Yuta and they’re all first grade level we have no way of telling if she’s beating special grades while Yuta has taken out 4 while holding back against 2 at the same time
I just had this random thought healthy Itachi vs Obito(the version who faced kakashi) in Taijitsu(did I type that right) also what color would Obito's susano been?
In the argument about yuta getting speed blitzed bc of maki could keep up with 15 finger sukana you also have to remember megami made sukana hold back when he was fighting them and that's why he attacked the ground so he prolly couldn't use his full speed
@@iHiTbillys He quite literally just stated he learned “Fallen Blossom Emotion” as a kid and it’s likely he learned simple domain as well. I also just mentioned that he still has access too teleportion and hollow purple. Yuta is gonna struggle getting past infinity before anything else
@@Sed325_ I think you think he's comparing her to Kenjaku, which he's not. His point is that she's not weaker than Yuta and that people took her statement to mean that she admitted that she was weaker than Yuta/Yuki. Her statement only means that she thinks it will be difficult for anyone to beat Kenjaku if Yuki, Choso, and Tengen combined couldn't.
The way Gege has set up the story im convinced the only people who could beat Toji are Gojo and a full Sukuna. Look Maki development skyrocketed after shibuya, she couldnt beat dagon in a group of 4 Toji comes in and literally flings her from her weapon and beats him. So mai dies and all of a sudden shes one of the best, i dont buy it. I know she took down the zenin clan but they mostly consist of bog standard sorcerers anyway. She has traits of toji but she not fully realised like him, im sure she says that in one chapter. Toji fought Gojo and Geto the two strongest sorcerers on the same day. Think Toji beats Yuta and Hikari, they are the best of their generation but theyre not Toji. Yuta has the best chance out of anyone but straight hands Toji wipes the floor with him. Tojis weight in the story is unmatched and theres no denying it. Gojo the strongest sorcerer, Sukuna the strongest curse and Toji the strongest human.
The Manga states that she grew to be as strong as Toji physically when her twin sister Mai died. Her Heavenly Restriction was strengthened, and it showed when she went from being casually one shot by her father to casually dogging on her father when he was serious about cutting her down. It was mentioned on panel multiple times. The problem with her is that she's younger, doesn't have his experience, and is new to this level of strength. That's why she is regarded as an equal after slaughtering a Cursed Naoya, since she was capable of changing her mindset and growing enough to be able to properly utilize her new body. Ie, you didn't properly read the events following her getting wrecked by Dagan and Jogo, and then finally when her father failed to kill her. Mai even stated that she'd fully take away Makis Cursed energy, as while she was alive, Maki would always be half-assed.
Nice rebound
Toji’s full statement is “I don’t work for free, that’s what I would say before making a run for it” he than goes onto say that he wanted to crush the six eyes for self affirmation and he deviated from his true self “at that point I had already lost” this doesn’t simply imply he was mental nerfed power wise. It implies that he would not have even fought Gojo if he was at his best true self.
He even thinks “this uneasiness” which he thinks again before the statement I referenced.
I think it's "both," so to speak. Based on Maki's "freedom amp," Toji is not being his "True Self," as in being constrained by curses, sorcerers, people, and himself. This would be a "Mental Nerf" if would retrospectively compare it with Maki.
This isn't to say Toji would've beaten Gojo without the Nerf. But I'd say we would've landed a few more hits, so to speak.
By both, I mean in the sense that fighting Gojo would effectively nerf him in itself. Because it's against who he is. He's generally supposed to be free of all this "ego' nonsense. Yet he falls short thanks to it.
@@Lys4nd3rit’s not a mental nerf. It’s clearly stated by Toji himself that the only mental nerf was him taking on the fight in the first place because it was a guaranteed L. He wasn’t nerfed, but rather the opposite if anything because he felt like he had something to prove.
@@Watermelon_Man exactly why would an assassin take a fight with no gain it was not a mental nerf but a thing of pride/arrogance
@@bloodwolf6818 Thank you for proving my point. It wasn’t a mental nerf. It was pride and arrogance
@@Watermelon_Man actually you've proven that he was nerfed pride and arrogance are mental nerfs pride which he stated that he thought he had discarded. Maki had to free herself from everything and is stated that she no longer even cared about the outcome of her fight, which is the the exact opposite of what was happening to Toji while he fought Gojo he cared because he thought it meant something he was spiteful, prideful and wanted to crush the peak of Jujutsu sorcery at that point because of how he'd been treated by the zenin.
I consider Yuta > Toji in terms of power and abilities but in a fight, Toji isn’t Maki, he’s an assassin who’ll take the upmost precaution in fighting someone who he considers an actual threat. With Toji’s physical stats boosted to pinnacle of the series due to his Heavenly Restriction and his arsenal of weapons/tools, the fight is definitely in his favor. Of course Yuta can’t be considered to be outmatched entirely since I definitely believe that Yuta does have a few tricks up his sleeve like RCT and his 5 minutes at Full Power. However I think Yuta will have a much harder time landing enough damage on Toji to put him down before his 5 minutes are up and Toji retaliates.
Yuta can win but his techniques cant work on toji
Vol 0 yuta and Rika were too op for main story had to receive a soft nerf/rework in order to balance power scaling of jjkverse.
1) Vol 0 yuta had to channel Rika through objects to use curse energy and techniques.
2) Vol 0 yuta had no experience as a sorceror and hence needed Rika powers.
3) Vol 0 Rika was a vengeful curse spirit that was always present and could manifest whenever yuta was in danger without time limit, and could copy cursed techniques without any need to consume body parts.
4) Hence Rika was theorized to be yuta cursed technique due to cursed technique usually manifests around the age of 6 years of age and yuta hadn't shown signs of possessing any innate cursed technique.
Yuta and Rika in main story
1) Yuta now has reached this level own his own having boundless cursed energy and able to fight without need for manifesting Rika.
2) New Rika is just a shikigami and serves as an external storage for yuta Cts and curse tools.
3) She can be manifested fully for 5 minutes.
4) She fights as a tag team partners and receives instructions subconsciously from yuta.
5) Yuta has mimicry/copy cursed technique with certain restrictions but has now perfected it to a level where he got his special grade certification back in just 3 months.
This!!!!!
@@Charlsmagne -Yuta can win but his techniques cant work on toji-
yes they do.
@@DBZFANX1000 he isnt a curse user and inverted spear of heaven negates all curse techniques
First of all even if I didn’t watch the video completely. It is a great action to accept if something was wrong. Really shows the great character of six
I think something interesting to take in account is reverse cursed technique. This was a game change to Gojo in his fight against Toji, at the point he was only able to win after mastering it. It is a very useful power, since it gives you healing and a whole new deck of cards reversing your curses techniques. But the more important is the skill necessary to use. Yuta was able to master RCT soon after he even learned how to use regular curse energy, an ability Gojo Satoru struggle to master. This implies that Yuta may have more conscience of what curses are than young Satoru Gojo.
If Toji does his research, he can counter this fairly easily
id say the biggest difference between both of them awakening RCT is that with gojo it was selfish while with yuta it was selfless
Another thing to note is that Yutas output of RCT is severely limited by him not being Gojo explicitly. Sukuna can keep up with Gojo in the RCT department because Sukuna easily has the highest cursed energy volume ….in the series, him being able to spam RCT like Gojo can is evidence enough of that but RCT consumes a LOT of cursed energy. That’s not to say it isn’t a major benefit to Yuta’s survivability and potential to reverse certain techniques if that’s even something he can do, but it’s not on the level of Gojo where he can practically perpetually perform it because of the Six Eyes.
That said, it's stated that Yuta has way more Curse Energy than Gojo, sure Sukuna has even more than Yuta alone. But Yuta tapping into Rika's supply makes his Curse Energy near on par with Sukuna (nearly limitless).
Yuta only has access to it with a fully manifested Rika, which he can only sustain for 5 minutes. In that 5 minutes, he's near unstoppable being able to spam copied Curse Techniques and Reverse Curse Techniques at will.
Yuta's CE output is low by itself but can be boosted or used for a secondary CT/RCT through Rika.
Not to mention that with a Binding Vow, Yuta can maximise their combined CE output if need be.
The simple fact that Toji is Heavenly Restricted with Zero CE gives him numerous advantages against Curses and Curse Techniques, especially if he is using the Inverted Spear or Soul Blade.
Toji is naturally heavily resistant to Curses and Cursed Energy based attacks.
However, this doesn't apply to Reverse Curse Techniques or combined CT & RCT attacks like Hollow Purple.
If Yuta was able to utilise RCT attacks like Reversal Red or combined CT & RCT attacks like Hollow Purple, he would have a decent chance of winning against Toji.
Even the Inverted Spear wouldn't work against RCT or combined CT & RCT defence's or attacks.
Given Yuta is able to percieve the Soul on some level, either Rika or himself would likely be able to instinctively guard against attacks made with the Soul Blade.
However, even if he was able to perceive the Soul enough to be able to attack Toji's back directly; Toji would tank those hit's to the face all day due to his innately Stong Soul from having his Heavenly Restricted body.
As the Soul is the Body and the Body is the Soul, especially in Toji's case; As demonstrated when his Body was able to over power the Grandson's Soul during the Shibuya Incident.
It would be a tough fight for either of them, but both have a decent chance of winning.
It's likely around a 50/50 on who would win between them both, give or take 5-10% depending on circumstances and prior knowledge of their opponent.
rct doesnt matter when the attack damages the soul, and with the split soul katana toji can attack the soul
Also teen Gojo was a little exhausted against toji. He didn't slept for couple days & was fighting to save someone. It wasn't a truly straightforward 1v1
"little" is an understatement, but you're right. He literally was able to dodge Toji effortlessly when he as high
Gojo was wildly nerfed, because he didn't have rct. Jogo would probably be a hard fight for that Gojo. Once Gojo got rct his six eyes truly became godly, as well as his CT.
@@anishnaskar7375 honest opinion domain less gojo wouldve lost to jogo
@@oompaloompa2885 nah man I wouldn't Go that far.
@@kaze_829 but that’s the honored one if you’re gonna scare him against the strongest sorcerer he’s gonna look weak but if you remember from the manga when he was resurrected effortlessly took out special grade, cursed Dagon and his strongest Shiki Gami which most of the Zenins strongest thought they were going to die if megumi didn’t open that hole in the domain let’s also don’t forget that this included Nanami megumi maki which if you ask me is a pretty stacked team that could jump most curses. Yuta is considered a special grade sorcerer who can be healed by rika and copy most techniques with this also comes with the fact of Tojis heavenly restriction, or a lot of curse techniques, won’t be able to work on him, including some domain expansion’s having like zero affect so that illuminates a decent part of yuta s kit know if we come down to the street, hands and physical ability. It obviously goes to Toji including speed in reaction time. But yuta still has a massive. Advantage over this fight. Because of. Rika but even then, I doubt he’ll still be able to handle. Toji fushiguro
I think diving into semantics is a bit weird when it comes to Yuta. He's stated to be the second strongest to Gojo but this inherently just means he's the strongest of our protagonist's group. Kenjaku, Sukuna and Gojo are all stronger.
Aside from Hakari who becomes stronger than Yuta under specific circumstances and Kashimo who isn’t a modern sorcerer or included in the second to Gojo statement, yea
@@jocoolshow Hakari does not become stronger. He just gains infinite cursed energy and can regenerate from next to anything like a Curse.
Kashimo isn't anywhere close to Yuta's level as a special grade. He isn't even mentioned as a threat by Kenjaku.
@@silverbro13 Kashimo would be a threat if he didn't put his CT in a binding vow. In a fight against Sukuna I think he would do more damage then yuta
Kashimo as well
@@Jake48104 No not really. If he didn't place a Binding Vow on his CT he'd be likely inferior to Ryu.
18:12 Gojo actually makes a statement saying that if he were to get weakened to the point that he is weaker than Hakari and Yuta that they should step in to help him fight Sukuna. He doesn’t include Maki in this statement, so this could be Gojo implying that Hakari and Yuta are sort of a level above Maki. It could also be that Sukuna is just a really bad matchup for Maki compared to Yuta and Hakari so take it as you will.
6:05 Maki doesn't say that Yuta is stronger than her, but she did imply that Yuki and Yuta are on the same level, and she's not included.
It can definitely be interpreted in different ways, but I don't see how the fandom "Gaslighted" themselves
but again they are the leasing 3 hakari yuta and maki so they should be around the same level
@@CharlsmagneI don't think so honestly.
It just mean that they're the strongest.
@@Jaafar_Alkhalifa hmm interesting
Same level as in they’re both special grade. Gojo is also special grade but theres a huge gap in power between gojo and yuki. I dont think the gap between yuta and yuki is too big but yuta is above yuki.
@@RedRag684 the story has moved past the "grade" scaling dawg, he wins due to hax tho. Yuki seem to be kinda fresh since she was not good with the domains.
If Hakari and Yuta can easily beat up Maki but none of the other characters can touch her that means she is a heavy hitter too, just not on the same level as the other 2. And it's stated right there that Yuta is the lead, if you want to use "relativity" it would be between Hakari and Maki and it would still be wrong. The only thing that's wrong there was the lack of Kashimo but the begining of my comment explains it already.
The match up of hakari and maki is a bad match up for hakari as his technique is inherently connected to his domain and he soul sword would do damage to him regardless of rct
@@Endisfree_ his technique only affects him tho, no reason why their immunity would nullify that.
@@jackgonahieu4999 not necessarily true first she could just refuse to enter the domain and also the info dump potentially wouldn’t work since to the domain she’s just and inanimate object. The prerequisites and regulations of the domain would be entirely convoluted and glitched out by maki
@@Endisfree_ i mean, is not like the luck shite has anything to do with the other person in the domain, just Hakari. It's not like malevolent shrine or unlimited void.
@@jackgonahieu4999 I don’t think you got what I said. There’s a reason the info dump is there. It acts as the necessary sure hit that every domain has in its restrictions. Without these rules being applied the domain won’t work
You bring up some nice points. I still disagree and think Yuta takes it mid-high diff but it’s what I love about JJK!
It’s a very complex series, it makes matches like this actually super debatable 🙏
Yuta actually takes mid-high diff no denying that.
Mid diff at best, if he got serious imo.
blud dont know tojis power@@helios2664
Ye fr but I think toji takes it mid diff
@@XenhenAnimatesno, stop highballing toji who is literal fodder, chapter 250 leaks prove that yuta slams toji
“On a roll” is almost definitely referring to Hakari’s fourth jackpot in a row. You don’t see the trump card of Yuta and Hakari in their final fights deliberately.
I hope this is true I hope he does have something more than infinite CE
wild headcannon
Hakari don't have a final technique he's a bum
@@alswisha8519
That’s not what was said lol
@@TrutherReviews
Ok xd
The thing with Toji is that while fighting in real scenario he can just run away and hide for a while and no one will even find him, he is at a major disadvantage while being put in the arena like situations
I think Toji knowing about Yuta is iffy because The higher-ups at Jujutsu High didn't realize he could output RCT, so it seems he keeps his cards close to his chest.
@@JPMonster13yeah he is quiet Ngl. He probably has a lot more up his sleeve he has Uros sky manipulation, the cockroaches ability. He probably has ryus blast too.
I like your Arguments. It's actually makes sense. Great work!
I think it’s heavily implied that during jjk 0, maki would’ve taught him about most cursed tools, and the most historic or powerful ones would’ve been the first ones covered.
I believe Toji wanted to fight Gojo (in the 2nd round) To prove himself and because he clapped Gojo in the 1st round, but when realized something was wrong he definitely would've ran away but since he deviated from his usual self, he stood his ground.
yeah we watched the anime.
he was fatigued
Even when Six misses, he don't miss.
he misses the bullseye but hits the needle on the head
He definitely does miss alot
@@isaiascaines3299 examples and evidence?
Your comment makes zero logical sense at all....
@@fishnutz5196 no no, it does
I knew there was a reason I wanted jjk vids from you. Never even considered toji wasn’t at full strength in the second fight.
Yea someone in this comment section pointed out something I didn't think I needed to but Toji at his best probably just wouldn't have fought Gojo again.
@@sixfromtokyo TOO MUCH TOJI COPIUM. YUTA USES URO'S REDIRECT PLUS A SWORD ATTACK EQUALS A DEAD TOJI.
YUTA USES CURSED SPEECH ON TOJI'S CURSE SPIRIT, THERE GOES TOJI'S WEAPONS.
YUTA HAS TOO MANY UNKNOWN TECHNIQUES AND TOO MUCH VARIETY FOR TOJI.
AND IF YUTA EVER LEARNS HOW TO USE RCT TO EXTEND RIKA'S 5 MINUTES. LOL AND BETTER HOPE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FESTERING LIFE SWORD.
Addressing the often abused Sukuna "feat" everybody and their mama like to overexaggerate like a dbz scaler.
First off Sukuna's "blitz" was literally when Ryu "the king" was charging his granite blast, we have never seen Ryu move around or dodge while getting ready to fire this attack, it comes to reason that Ryu is susceptible in close combat when doing this attack if the opponent is fast enough to take advantage of the charging time, and guess what, Yuta "the first MC", also reacted to a point black granite blast but his feat might be better as Yuta reacted to it after it was fired.
How you guys are equating Maki vs sukuna with sukuna vs Ryu when sukuna with one hand was taking Maki on while taking on yuji with his other hand to sukuna taking advantage of Ryu charging his super attack is crazy.
And furthermore, a big brain fighter like Yuta with the abilities he has copied being beaten by a guy who would not know anything about his abilities and who was beaten instantly by Gojo because he had no info that purple existed.
About the Fan book calling Yuta's CT "Rika," in the book it does say: "This fan book is based on the contents of Jujutsu Kaisen up to volume 15. Please note that settings and other information may change depending on future developments in the story."
I think they were hiding that Yuta's CT is Copy. Idk but I thought it was worth mentioning
Yuta can see whatever Rika can see and vice versa so there is that
And Rika is not a curse technique. She’s a shikigami or the remains of a shikigami that allows yuta to use the abilities of his CT
Yuta curse technique is mimicry
If mimicry is like adaptation, then yuta is capable of copying CTs before he actually activates using them just like how sukuna can rank stuff with the dharma chakra and then afterwards activate the wheel already adapted
? it isnt proven that it is mimicry you cant just make bland claims and in the books of jjk she is yuta curse technique
just stated his CT is rika
@@Charlsmagne clearly an error because his curse technique has literally been stated to be mimicry on the most occasions and the proper translation in Sendai is that Rika allows yuta to use mimicry opposed to Rika is his CT
How would Rika being his CT even make sense. Wouldn’t it rather then be that he can summon any shikigami but Rika just so happens to be the shikigami that he summons?
@@DebateNetwork6 kenjaku says it
He says it
Narrator says it
Uro says it
Also. When the domain was done Rika didn’t even disappear so how the hell is she a curse technique
You guys just go with this narrative now because six said so
Sheep
@@yaboiplank6764 hmm but again the writer says it
Takes a man to admit his mistakes still all luv 6 ❤
Excited for the new jjk content, your always finding interesting topics for content in your vids
6:42 the fingers don’t scale linearly 7:18 also both Yuta and rika were able to speed blitz Ryuu during their fight in Sendai
Yuta can’t speedblitz Ryu
@@guilha1506 When Ryu launched Yuta into a building Yuta blocked his granite blast then in the next panel you see Yuta's fist appear in front of Ryu who is noticeably shocked and he gets punched into the ground. Awakened Rika also blitz Ryu after tanking his granite blast I mean he's looking directly at her and isn't able to block or dodge.
You sure about that?,cause sukuna did say he could replace 1 finger amount of power with his carcass,meaning each finger has a set amount,wether it stacks or adds it would have to be linear
@@Yu-dp5hp But Ryu reacted to that, he immediately used his energy blast against Yuta
If Rika can blitz him how she was punched in the next panel the exact same way she did to Ryu?
If you think that two characters who are shown to fight equally can blitz each other you have no idea about what a true speedblitz means
@@Nabiliyur This just means that the mummy offers the same power as a finger, which doesn’t mean that the fingers are linear
This why you my 🐐 bruh takes a different lvl of mental to go about things you did
I did not just hear this man say that Toji could probably beat Yuta, Yuta literally can warp, the sky tell Toji to just stop moving, reversed cursed technique, Rika who could completely hold Yuji who mind you could keep up with maki. All yuta needs is "Don't move", Make rika hold Toji and then slice his head off
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wlThat's exactly why it would work. Cursed speech doesn't require that the target has cursed energy rather cursed energy is just used to reinforce the commands. In combat with a cursed speech user they can reinforce their ears (or specificly the brain) with cursed energy to "block" the attack, but since Toji doesn't have any he has no defense against the ability.
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wl It's never been stated that the target needs CE for it to work, just that it hits a point in the brain which (nearly) everyone has. If it wouldn't work that would render all techniques useless since "they don't have CE", but they've been hit by cursed techniques before. A rock doesn't have CE but we've seen Todo imbue them with it multiple times so he can swap using Boogie Woogie, same concept is used with Cursed Speech.
Domains use the CE like a heat sensor so using that as an example isn't applicable, it can't "see" them so therefore it can't use the technique.
Your suggestion is that the two fighters in the entire series who use ONLY their physical dominance to overpower people through hand to hand combat, use both their hands to defend against the technique?
@Ddawg0190x-ci6wlso if they cover their ears how are they gonna Guard their body 🤨🧐🤨 standing still for even just a second is instant death their not guarding Yuta and Rika while protecting their ears Regardless of the fact where Yuta is now Toji & Maki are Food for Yuta.
In my most humble opinion I fancy the Hakari vs Mahito or Hakari vs Maki. Hakari vs Maki truly is a competitive fight he smokes Mahito though no Dif
10:38
With all due respect my brother, this argument was HORRIBLE
with yuta vs uro and ryu people tend to also forget that he oneshot dhruv as if he wasn't even a part of the deadlock in the first place
It's explained that shikigami users are physically weak and don't focus on their body and h2h combat. It's explained that megumi and geto are rare cases. Yuta is seen attacking Dhruv and not his shikigami.
@@i.i368 he still got *past* them which is an incredible feat because they are all extensions of dhruvs domain
yeah if those shikigami are good enough to hold two special grade sorcetors and a special grade curse at bay when they're clearly miles away from the user they're pretty good
@@eddieddieeddie Ryu and Uro weren't special grade. They were grade 1.
@@rightguy200000they weren’t graded at all tho
I think one of the best arguments for Sukuna speed blitzing Ryu is something Six says a lot. Context matters. Look at Ryu’s face in that scene, he’s absolutely terrified. He approached sukuna because he’s addicted to his “desserts” but then when he came face to face with the King of Curses he froze up and was able to be one shot. It just makes me think Yuta would steel his resolve a bit more and not be able to be speed blitzed
Unlikely since fear makes you stronger in JJK
@@guilha1506 that’s if you can channel it into your fighting spirit and use it to fuel you in a fight. It doesn’t exactly work if it causes you to completely freeze up and not really use it to your advantage
@@jonathancunha9368 Yeah, mental state affects JJK characters, it’s a good argument to justify the event
You can use attacks in domains that do not have surehit imbued in them and would thus make toji susceptible to attacks
Sukuna used one against Gojo to break the simple domain since the surehit wasn’t doing it fast enough
Jogo used one against Gojo to test his domain out
Inverted spear of heaven can deal with any of that
@@guilha1506 ye
@@guilha1506 It can cancel out ct not the surehit of a domain and you can also break it the spear itself
@josiahdemary2124 the sure hit is a CT though.
@@blaneonthemoon2507 but i dont think you understand the surehit part
You do a good job with your research and your reactions. One of my favorite channels
Rika is not his CT. His CT is copy/mimic. Rika is a curse that is attached to him
Yuta has multiple Cursed Techniques.
Toji knew that he couldnt take out 17 year old Gojo without wearing him down
I dont think its reasonable to imply that Sukunas Speed increases based on Finger consumption. The fingers are Cursed energy amps. Theres no reason to believe Sukuna is any faster at 20 fingers than he was at 3.
Yuji believed confidently that staying with Yuta would keep Megumi and everyone safe. He also believed, just off of one encounter that Yuta may be able to Stop 15 finger Sukuna on a rampage. (This, being hard to say as Yuta should be able to minimize damage taken from Cleave and dismantle through raw cursed energy and RCT, but we wouldnt know how He would try to handle Malevolent shrine.)
Yuta was so obviously holding back in Sendai.
The primary example is that Yuta only uses Techniques copied IN SENDAI, or that Kenjaku already knew. He went in intending to show as little as possible.
Maki was convinced that Yuta is downplaying himself by implying Hakari is stronger than him. Im not sure how you can leave this out and jump to speculating about which Yuta hakari beats.
I do not believe that Toji has any chance of beating Yuta. Simply put, Yuta is further along as a sorcerer than gojo was at the same age, and Toji could not take out Gojo with Cursed technique reversal, and a basic RCT.
He is second only to Gojo in the modern age, and while i do believe Toji/Maki are Special grade threats, Yuta has too many tools, and too strong of stats With his cursed energy alone, but the raw potential of all the techniques hes copied that we have NOT seen just adds on to him being too strong for Toji to take on.
Yh this is entirely correct, idk what ppl get out of downplaying yuta. With his crazy amount of CE along with his various CTs, RCT and Rika. He’d beat Toji in a straight death battle pretty decisively.
@@nzuz169 they're just trying to cope w the fact that HR is Op but not enough to beat Yuta. The only way I can imagine Toji beating Yuta is killing Yuta before he notices Toji. Besides that? Toji is screwed.
@@kaze_829 Yeah it’s definitely cope. I hadn’t even considered toji had that win condition since he intentionally fatigued Gojo and Gojo dropped his guard after completing the mission. But I do like toji so I’d still give him that. But yeah you’re right besides a perfect sneak attack, toji is pretty much finished.
I agree yuta beats toji, but Sukuna speed definitely scales with fingers. Gojo was way way faster than him at 1f but not at 20f, and Maki, who is equivalent to Toji who was stated to be around 3f sukuna speed, was only able to keep pace with a 15f sukuna who's output, and thus his speed, was fluctuating down to 10% at its lowest.
why do ya make it so complicated ? Yuta just cant react to Toji's speed because he doesnt even have CE and ofcourse Teen Gojo with nerfed six eye has better reaction speed than YUta . Toji just speedblitzes him and YUta wont even recognise when he gets hit and if Toji uses his soul splitter katana then YUta cant heal . and of course Yuki is stronger than Yuta for sure so is Hakari
I think that people in the community tend to latch on to things that are said or implied as something etched in stone, and not leaving room for nuance. Let me preface that I watched like 10 episodes of the anime and was getting Naruto vibes at first so I was kind of half interested in watching more. I went and saw the movie and the introduction of Yuta drew me into the story. Then I finished the anime and now am following the manga. With that out of the way, I'm saying this without any bias, I think that when Yuta is referred to as second to Gojo, it's because of the versatility Yuta has to him, not necessarily highest power output. With the abilities he has in addition to his copy technique, Yuta can gain advantages in a variety of ways whereas someone like Todo for example they have a great technique but if you remove his ability to clap his hands it's beatable. Yuta likely is someone that would push a top tier like Sukuna to do more than what he did to Ryu, because Yuta would have some kind of way to get out of it. I believe Yuta is strong because of his versatility, but not necessarily the hardest hitter. That would also explain his response about Hikari. But the big three, Yuta, Hikari, and Maki, are all dangerous in their own right and deserve the respect they get.
Even with toji being unfocused he still wouldn't have been able to do anything against gojo. Even when he was at his best, he still needed to tire him and off guard him
toji wasn't at his best when he fought gojo
it's shown several times that was out of prime toji
@@mmmm-lr2gz toji stated he need to tire out and weaken gojo before hand to be confident in winning.
@@mmmm-lr2gz he was the only thing that was rusting in his lethality, going for the kill. Making sure he was dead, after killing gojo the first time he was in his groove
I'd say Toji could've fought young Gojo without tiring him out and won. The issue is he could've easily lost with a single mistake, then he'd have to fight Geto as well.
It's the difference between maybe winning, and being sure you'll win
@@unoriginalandunfunny1563 I disagree with that
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Addressing the often abused Sukuna "feat" everybody and their mama like to overexaggerate like a dbz scaler.
First off Sukuna's "blitz" was literally when Ryu "the king" was charging his granite blast, we have never seen Ryu move or dodge while getting ready to fire this attack, it comes to reason that Ryu is susceptible in close combat when doing this attack if the opponent is fast enough, and guess what, Yuta "the first MC", also reacted to a point black granite blast but his feat might be better as Yuta reacted to it after it was fired.
How you guys are equating Maki running around with Sukuna to a guy getting cut up while charging his super attack is crazy.
And furthermore, a big brain fighter like Yuta with the abilities he has copied being beaten by a guy who would not know anything about his abilities and who was beaten instantly by Gojo because he had no info that purple existed.
Yuta vs Toji isn't close as Toji would get beaten senseless, he has too much variety, and toji wouldn't know anything about Yuta countless tech leaving Toji to be instant killed by counterattacks' ex uro's redirect PLUS Yuta's sword equal a dead Toji.
"Edo toji"bro has been watching too much naruto also love yig vid❤
Regarding the soul split katana, you are confusing the damage that can be dealt to the soul to soul transfiguration(Mahito CT) which can't be reversed by RCT, but direct damage to the soul can be healed by RCT ( Yuji beeing heald form Meguna cuts, same with Gojo). And if you want to bring the Inumaki and Angel case the only thing stoping them from beeing healed by RCT is that nobody can use that high level of RCT on others(Shoko/Yuta) even if they could do it for themselves like Gojo.
Where did we learn that Sukuna damages the soul in his attacks..? Like we know he hurt Mahito, but that was because he could perceive the soul, which was stated to be the prerequisite for damaging Mahito
@@battlecast9202 He can perceive the soul thus he can damage the soul. That was the observation Mahito made when he fights Itadori.
It isn't : perceive soul -> can damage Mahito
It's : perceive soul -> can damage soul -> can damage Mahito
@jasonlu4514 My understanding is that Mahito was immune to physical damage, unless somebody can perceive the soul. Maybe I need to reread where they explicitly say perceiving a soul allows you to damage it.
If that were the case, Maki wouldn't actually need the Soul Splitter sword right?
@@battlecast9202 Maki can't percieve the soul. She isn't a vessel. Mahito said that Yuji was able to damage his soul because he had a good grasp of the shape of his own since he was a vessel. Sukuna also fits the criteria as seen when Mahito first touched his soul.
@@rightguy200000Maki literally described how she can perceive the soul after killing Naoya
Nowadays Yuta with granite blasts and sky manipulation have higher chances, i think. Like, he can redirect any hit Toji throws at him except for two weapons that can go through the cursed technics. Also Yuta can fly using sky manipulation
Interesting argument, at this point we've seen everything Toji can do, he'll never learn any new techniques or have powerups, his character growth is done. Yuta on the other hand has a lot more potential, Gojo ascended on the brink of death, its possible Yuta could do the same.
At this point it really just comes down to a plot power-up.
I disagree with _"Everything he can do"_
His character was too short-lived in the series for us to see what more he can do; they can do that with Maki, sure.
But as for Toji, especially with Hidden Inventory/Cursed Inventory, we have only seen 2 Cursed tools so far.
Who knows how much more cursed tools Toji has. We also can kinda confirm he had Playful Cloud due to Geto pull it out from the Cursed Inventory..
Point is: He could have more cursed tools at his arsenal than what he showed when he was still alive.
It does not come down to a ‘plot power up’ Yuta wins with plot or without.
Six eyes might be the reason gojo got enlightened. He fully focused on the truth when he was dying.
A six eyes user sees cursed energy differently and curse energy usage is also close to zero..
Gojo is above the rest.
Ayee the JJK stuff returns!
Rika isnt Yut'as CT, she stayed after his CT burn out. it wouldnt turn it off
Rika is his CT. He just has multiple CTs we don't know which one he infused into the Barrier for a sure hit (it was probably copy)
We need more JJK content 🙏
I'll upload more it's scarce on topics though.
inverted spear of heaven dismantles any cursed technique it comes into contact with, so i would assuming stabbing rika would sever yuta's connection to her, cutting off the usage of copy and rika herself short, so it would just be a battle of physical which toji wins
Yutas CT is not reliant on Rika. If Rika dies then Yuta still has a shit ton of CE plus Mimicry
@@asstrid8111 yutas CT is reliant on rika
Versus battles within JJK are way too ambiguous. The thing with JJK is power is not everything. It comes down to abilities and intelligence more often than not to declare a winner. Prime example is Kashimo vs Hakari. Kashimo is significantly stronger than Hakari but Hakari was able to pull out the W because of his abilities and quick thinking to use his environment to directly counter Kashimo’s abilities.
Yuta is absolutely stronger than both Toji and Maki. That does not necessarily guarantee a win but it does mean more likely than not he will be able to pull it off.
When doing a versus battle you have to look at who will win more often than not rather than small ways one character could possibly pull out a win over the other character. I see Yuta winning 90% of battles.
Keep it up with JJK
The fact you said “edo toji” was enough to earn a like!!😂
The spear probably just needs to touch the technique and doesn’t even have to make contact with the user considering it would’ve had to shut off infinity before he could even stab gojo
6:38 I think that, while it’s not explicitly stated, Sukuna’s fingers scale exponentially. That’s how 1.5 Fingers could throw hands with Maki despite Toji being at least 3 Fingers. It could also explain the whole “Jogo is equal to 8-9 fingers” when he VERY CLEARLY is not. Essentially if Sukuna is at 15 Finger power, a single finger could be equal to 3-4 Fingers individually, closing up the loophole
This theory would also be supported by the fact that the second finger bearer was “several degrees stronger” than the first, despite the fact that they’re essentially the same thing. A curse containing one of Sukuna’s fingers.
People take finger scaling way too seriously.
@@Awesomeisme7000 true, but it would make more sense. That or gege was talking out his ass again and didn't plan it seriously lol.
6:41 na, he was full 15 fingers and I agree. Megumi only hindered his cursed techniques output
You Nailed this Six. Make more JJK content I like your work.
Ion think it's that close Toji lost to an Teen Awakened Gojo who would scale below a lot of characters in Current Time going off other statements and feats around 3 Finger Sukuna & Toji in Current Time & Yuta is the second most powerful Sorcerer in Current Time right behind Gojo
Cannot wait for the next video.... Goatjo is gonna be peak content
Maki has received like 3 power ups so far, i think is safe to say she is above Toji and not his equal and that the statements still comparing him to her are just a mentality topic rather than strength related. Sukuna and Uraume respecting her strength is enough for me.
No, it's explictly stated in Ch. 198 Maki is a "demonic warrior equal to Toji", not that she's stronger. He even has more weapons than Maki like ISH.
Maki is above the rusty and mentally nerf Toji in Hidden Inventory but not Prime Toji.
@@shenFen-jf2jk no idea what translation is that, chapter 198 says "a fierce human on par with Toji has been fully realized" meaning she was already on par with him but now she is fully realized, implying is a mentality/resolve thing. Maki has been compared to Toji ever since Mai's death. ISH and the Mai sword are the same thing in terms of abilities. Toji having more weapons adds nothing to his own strength, he is more prepared if anything.
@@khulmach9662 Toji was rusty during the first strike to Gojo, he said so himself. The mentally nerf thing is the same that Maki had before she became "fully realized" on chapter 198.
@jackgonahieu4999 It's the viz translation I think? Neither of us speak Japanese anyway. But any version states she's equal not stronger than Toji. Saying she's stronger is speculation. ISOH negates any cursed techinques, the katana damages the soul they don't have the same ability.
Could you cover a topic I've been a bit curious about? It's if gojo at during the shinjuku showdown was actually stronger than his shibuya version, cause that month of training that happened, I can't imagine it helped gojo very much and I don't think there was anything that implied that he got stronger outside of being jacked as shit
The thing about Sukuna is it doesn’t matter what body he’s in once he comes he brings his power and strength literally making you stronger
I think an advantage Yuta has that most other sorcerers don’t have is that he has so much cursed energy that he can make up for any physicality difference for the most part against almost anyone. His main tool is his sword, so he also is already on the same page as Toji in terms of fighting approach non curse technique related.
Yah our boy six can’t power scale JJK. Everyone including Kenjaku who doesn’t think highly of Yuta has him above Maki… Yuta is killing Maki and Toji in a 1v1 because he basically fights 2v1 😅
Disprove one thing six said then I'm getting tired of people hating on six without providing one single good counter argument like go watch someone else then why don't you
@@christianrowe992 easy, I have a video on my channel. There also other videos by people that cover JJK more than Six that have covered it. I.e BR, No Operator, etc. I like Six and am a subscriber, so i'll comment my disagreement. In his last video a wrote a bunch of rebuttals. The 2v1 aspect of it is literally the biggest counter to all his arguments against Yuta.
Where does the delusion come from that Toji stands a chance against Yuta? Lmao. Toji got 2-shot by a teenage Gojo once Gojo wasn’t fatigued. By default, every special-grade sorcerer would be stronger than said Teen Gojo, since that Gojo wasn’t a special grade. Yuta would wreck Jogo. Toji isn’t doing the same 💀.
Teenager Gojo > Any special grade
Toji > Jogo
False. Special-grades are stronger than sorcerers who aren’t. Also, Jogo losing to Toji? Lmao. The same Jogo that both an adult Gojo & 10-15 Sukuna called strong? Absolutely not. He’d get wrecked.
@@jamesmassey4863honestly Jojo gets so downplayed it's crazy
@@jamesmassey4863Proof that Gojo wasn’t a special grade? He was stronger than Toji, who is on par with Maki, who is put on the same tier as Yuta and Hakari.
Jogo who gets clowned by 3F Sukuna? Jogo who was outspeed by Naobito without his arm?
May I remind you that curse Naoya is way faster than his human self, who reached speeds far greater than his dad, and wet Toji can react to him
The scale is kinda simple: Toji = Maki > Curse Naoya > Naobito full speed > Naoya full speed > Naobito without stacking speed > Naobito without his arm > Jogo
Toji simply speedblitzes and one shots Jogo with no difficult (don’t even talk about Sukuna complementing him because Sukuna was wanking Maki in their whole fight)
1) Geto, who was equal to Gojo back then, showed his grade in JJK 0. It was in-between special/1st grade. So yeah, he definitely wasn’t back then. Same tier? My guy Toji got 2 shot by a teen Gojo. That teen Gojo is weaker than special grades by default.
2) Jogo fought a 15 finger Sukuna, not 3 lmao. Jogo tagged Naobito right after that before he realized what happened, so that’s a moot point. Also again, Sukuna, someone who is infamous for mocking weak people throughout the series, with 15 FINGERS, called Jogo strong. Gojo also told Yuuji verbatim: “I want you to get strong enough to beat that guy.” Meaning he was seen as strong by the 2 strongest people in the entire series. Unless they’re both lying for whatever reason? So you trying to act like he’s fodder is INSANE lmao.
3) Toji would get bodied so bad, it’s hilarious. Why would Sukuna “wank” Maki? That’s a bad argument. For 1) he said that she wouldn’t be easy to take down before they even fought, since she fought his Nue without sustaining injuries. 2) he saw how skilled she was when he was forced to fight her with only CQC. Her area of expertise. You saying that the most arrogant character in the series is “wanking” anyone is laughably bad.
Big ups to bro 🔥
When it comes to 15 finger Sukuna vs Maki and Yuji I feel like most ppl are leaning too into if it isn't one it is the other. I think it was clearly shown that both can be true. Sukuna clearly confimed that his ct was flactuating and at its lowest was 10%. That doesn't meen that he is at full power the rest of the time. Why would Megumi just stop inerfering as if Sukuna couldn't just beat up his friends? This is only solidified after what he did to Ryu. That moment was clearly there to show what an unsuppresed 15f Sukuna could do. Whats the difference btwn then and when he fought Maki and Yuji? Megumi was repressed.
Your one of the few youtubers that remember that yuta was holding back against ryu
Both of them are Kenjaku's Victims
Bet lmao
Hakari’s victim
@@sixfromtokyook but they do just lose to him
@@sixfromtokyo Kenjaku would pull a special anti-copy technique and an anti-cursed tool technique from his ass
@@guilha1506 i hope your not referring to kenjaku here
I can confirm that worrying about not hitting your opponents too hard holds you back
This fight could go in different ways
Gege hasn't explained the full extent of yuta's abilities
Honestly this fight could end in less than 5 minutes
Yuta uses curse speech on toji
Tell don't move
Cut of his head and all the elaboration you did will be pointless
This is dumb and stale, let him use it on kenjaku and sukuna den, lmao
@@beane777 toji can't protect himself from curse speech bcos he doesn't have a curse energy
There's nothing dumb there I just stated one of the ways the fight can go
If both of them fight
The author is the one to decide who will win and how the person wins
@@beane777 exactly LOL
Been waiting for you or swag to jump on scaling jjk we honesty need good scalers like you two who don’t have agendas in the series they’re trynna push.
Six has a very known agenda for Minato and seems like the equivalent for JJK is Toji.
@@jackgonahieu4999 he may have his favorite characters in a series but he’s unbiased when discussing said series.
At least from the streams/videos I’ve watched.
Unless you take him trolling as him pushing an agenda then idk what to tell you tbh.
@@duanjuandelanooch9721 the first JJK video is clear as day an agenda for Toji just like the Minato vs Tobirama video is for Minato, idk what to tell you.
@@jackgonahieu4999Tobirama sympathizer … i get it now
@@duanjuandelanooch9721 so i guess im a Yuta sympathizer just because im pointing out this dudes clear bias over the 2 characters he put them against? Lol, what a load of jack.
the Toji dicc riders are insane im crying lmao
You just a toji hater every thing 6ix said about toji is fact
@@King_ace22 nah im not a toji hater, Toji is so powerful but Yuta is on a whole another category bro
Regardless of how he ranked yuta vs toji just happy to see more UA-camrs make jjk videos
I do still believe yuta vs toji, yuta wins, however, this video gives a lot of information and opinions to think about regarding statement and feats for yuta and toji/maki. Good vid.
I was actually waiting for this video i think this fight is closer thank you think
I think it’s hard to say how yuta would do in a fight because we don’t know how skilled he is with his copy technique and what his domain actually does. Even using his fight in the culling games is hard to say how skilled he is, like you said he was in a battle royale or a two on one but he had two fights before that and it’s not stated that (from what I remember) that reverse curse technique refills stamina just heals injuries so he could have been pretty gassed already fighting two special grades before fighting two more
He’s skilled enough to copy a persons ct while fighting them.
@@TheSkyrimps3 yeah but we don’t know the conditions, how it works, if there’s a limit to how many techniques he can use at a time stuff like that
The fingers get stronger everyday so 10% during Maki fight most likely was 3F level back then. Besides that the video is pretty good nice work six.
Rika and Yuta’s senses are linked. Rika is not a cursed technique so she wouldn’t be hindered by Toji’s weapons that disable techniques. Hand to hand, Toji has the upper hand but Yuta has been quoted as a master level hand to hand combatant. He has an arsenal to arguably more cursed techniques than anyone in the series, PLUS Rika, a combined hybrid form, nearly unlimited cursed energy, and a Domain Expansion that he was confident would kill multiple special grade users at the same time, and can use reverse curse. Toji lost to a Gojo who just learned how to use his curse technique and was very sloppy with it. Yuta was trained by a much older Gojo who does know all of this stuff. Not to mention Yuta having not mastered Rika, beat Geto, who at the time, was the only person besides Toji considered to rival Gojo himself. I honestly think Yuta would win fairly convincingly against Toji.
18:17 this is that aura and vibes thing we were talking about btw
this was a very long winded way to say you were wrong. and you’re still wrong about rika being a curse technique
It's literally stated in the fanbook that she is. Which is written by Gege the author. and before you say "Bro Copy is his CT" Yuta has multiple CTs which is why he can only use his CT after Rika is activated.
It is interesting trying to scale on-going series as arguments naturally change over time as new chapters are released. If you plan on making a video regarding Gojo, maybe a video talking about how Teen Gojo would stack up to characters like Kenjaku or some of the reincarnated players like Kashimo?
I remember when Yuta=15 finger Sukuna was the truth of the time before Sukuna obliterated Ryu and totally upended what we thought the power scale was
@@hobbyhorse5848 Pretty classic case of an established antagonist jobbing to show how strong the main villain is. Not saying it's bad writing per say but I would be lying if I said I wasn't surprised with how easily Sukuna finessed him.
@@ghoulkinggruul7345an imo the writing of JJK has been getting sloppy for awhile and we the fans excuse it way too much. It was definitely out of left field and felt super underwhelming, like how Yorozu’s ultimate bug armor couldn’t even see past rabbit escape despite having compound eyes and the traits of “many strains of evolution”(there are bugs with crazy sensory abilities)
@@hobbyhorse5848 Oh yeah, I guess that was a missed oppertunity. Personally I enjoyed the Yorozu vs Sukuna fight but apparently a lot of people didn't like it.
Am still mad about Yuki and the lack of Kashimo in the heavy hitters statement. Still hoping to see Yuji + death paintings fight tho.
He was stated to be the strongest sorcerer in the modern era after Gojo. No he isn't on 15finger lv or Kenjaku because that statement excludes them both and people like Toji as well
The 15F level scaling came from Yuji's statement tho.
@@jackgonahieu4999 Yuji can't scale. It's even official that Yuta's CE lvs are only as much as 10finger Sukuna so Yujis entire argument was baseless
@@emmasongbiaye2205 Yuta is stated to have more CE than Gojo but is less efficient with it because he doesnt have 6 eyes. Ryu is stated to have the highest output ever and lost to Yuta. How come Yuji can't scale while literally being in the story and having Sukuna inside of him yet you online mfs can? Lol, even then, my comment was simply pointing out where the Yuta being on 15F levels came from.
@@jackgonahieu4999 yes he can tho
@@Idontknowanymore-ls4mn you just talking shite at this rate ong.
I never understnad when people say that 10% of 15 finger sukuna is 1.5 finger sukuna... that's implying that every finger sukuna gets back he gets the same amount of strength as 1 finger sukuna, and that isnt the case he's just jumping in strength by thresholds each finger
I hope you see this but in regards to the 10% sukuna vs maki fight, its important to note that its heavily implied that sukuna's fingers doesnt give him linear growth so him at 10% is likely far above his 2 finger self, at the same time, sukuna said his Cursed energy drops when he's attacking maki or yuji and not in general, when he made this realization he uses cleave on the ground at 100% in order to catch them off guard, so in speed when sukuna is defending himself hes at 100% speed and strength which is how he qas casually holding off maki and yuji
The japanese kanji stated that "his movements are not AS BAD as his ct output" implying he was still nerfed in his moves
@@kakashihatake6176 yh I forgot about that but it did say his body resisted him when he attacked them as well
maki was also holding back her speed a lot since
1. its megumi
2. didnt understand whats going on
@@ITACHI-ib6cu she wasn't as she told Yuji she was going to speed things up.
@@jackgonahieu4999 she told that but uraume interfered and also speeding up things doesnt mean she is not holding back
Thank u I’ve been saying toji was not at his best in that fight it stated and shown in that arc against geto instincts are a big part of heavenly restriction and he ignored them and rushed ahead and then died toji is top tier in the verse and wins against most ppl he fights
I understand Yuta’s domain effect probably wouldn’t work on Toji. But couldn’t he at least still get the stats buff? So well not used to it’s max potential I still think it could be taken into consideration.
And yeah Toji could just run out it’s range. But we’ve seen what happens when two *relative* fighters are going at it in a domain. Well the other tried to escape in Sukuna vs Gojo. Sukuna wasn’t letting Gojo even get a single step back from his starting position.
Rika before was a vengeful spirit with the soul of the person rika. New rika is just a spirit thing.
Gotta appreciate how you addressed EVERY argument and made things clear. From Maki likely scaling to 15f in stats to "Toji and Maki can speedblitz special grade shamans is absurd" , and "pre rct doesn't scale to Toji just cuz of... someone's interpretation" to "mindset affects stats in jjk and thus Toji had a mental nerf in his second exchange with Gojo" and everything else
Need more jjk content from you
I still left some things out though but making 3 videos on the same topic is insane so oh well lol
@@sixfromtokyo yeah people are talking about how your "Sukuna can't be at 10% of his base strength..." doesn't work. The explanation given is that Sukuna's fingers are exponential amps. I'd just say theres no evidence for that. Jogo ~ 8-9f statement has many reasons to be flawed + it's been established that 3f Sukuna > Jogo so it only makes sense that 15f would blitz and violate Jogo
@@eyepatch_1234it wasn’t established 3 fingers is stronger than Jogo. Gojo explicitly said Jogo is stronger than Sukuna is currently which was 3 fingers
@@icantbelieveyoudonethis4059 Gojo only fought a weakened 1f Sukuna and so he didn't know how strong a fp 3f Sukuna actually would be. He likely conjectured Jogo > 3f based on Jogo's ce reserves which doesn't work
In chapter 31 we get a solid comparison between 3f and Jogo by a reliable source of information
Mahito says "in his current state , his ce levels should be even less than Jogo's. But his presence , his soul is on another level."
Considering Mahito would always correlate the soul and the actual strength ( eg. When he talks about his , Todou's and Yuji's soul healths before their fight ; when he talks about Hanami's soul being restrained and how it nerfed her in terms of strength which happened to be 100% true ) , he's basically saying that even though 3f Sukuna had less ce than Jogo , the former was much stronger
Do you believe if yuuta and toji are at relative speed that he can keep up with rika AND yuuta, who would both be relative if not faster individually, on top of the fact hes got to deal with cursed speech, rct, and the countless techniques yuuta has up his sleeve
I love yuta, but I do think people overhype him a lot. This would have been a really cool fight and I agree that it would be hard fought on both sides regardless of the outcome. Glad you made another video it's always interesting to here your takes whether I agree or disagree with them.
yuta has been nothing but downplayed for the last 6 month . people say he isn't even top 10 in the verse or that he gets low diffed by hakari or yuki
He's actually been downplayed the most.
Am very late, but I find the fact that Megumi nerfing Sukuna's Cursed Energy output bad. Megumi, a person who struggles to take control of Sukuna's possession of him can nerf Sukuna's output, but Yuji who absolutely shrugs off Sukuna's possession like a fly couldn't?
Great take on 15F Sukuna inside of Yuji being physically stronger than 15F Sukuna inside of Megumi. Also great take on the output being limited in the fight rather than his stats as a whole.
Just saying.. that maki leg lift panel….
“Something inside me just snapped….
I didn’t care anymore…”
OH SHIT JJK!? SIX!!!
Bro you cursin? profanity in the comment section?
@@sixfromtokyogtab
@@sixfromtokyo … Fatty 😐
This isn't really about the video itself, but I just had an idea on something.
What would happen if a person with Heavenly Restriction ate a Sukuna finger?
Like, would it cancel out the cursed energy from Sukuna or would the person still blow up from the power?
Sukuna was with less than 10% of his output, and output is directly related to cursed energy reinforcement, so he should be slower and weaker
But this doesn’t mean he was with just 1,5 fingers of power because Sukuna’s fingers are not a linear scale. We see that despite not having a big difference in fingers, Jogo gets no diffed by Sukuna (who was holding back). And if the fingers were linear Yuta would have about 10 fingers of cursed energy, which is close to Jogo’s cursed energy, and ain’t no way that Yuta and Jogo are on a similar level of cursed energy
This explanation pretty much solves all the issues and inconsistencies that other interpretations bring
The 10% thing is moot, as he said himself that his physical movements were fine. Meaning his CQC skills weren’t effected. Maki is just relative/superior in H2H combat to Sukuna. Reinforcement only enhances strength. Doesn’t take away from his skill as a fighter.
@@jamesmassey4863Sukuna saying that his movements were fine just means that Megumi couldn’t control his body
Reinforcement increases all stats (strength, speed, durability and others)
Exactly. Which means outside of the inability to enhance his strength, he can still fight in H2H/CQC like he normally could. Which means Maki fighting him like that, is legitimate. Again enhancement only enhances stats. It doesn’t remove or amp your combat skill, so it’s a redundant argument.
@@jamesmassey4863Yeah, Sukuna had the same fighting skill but was slower, so Maki doesn’t scale to 15F Sukuna
She scales to him/is superior to him in CQC for sure. He’s an overall stronger person, she’s a better fighter. Hence why he told Uruame he was glad she focused her “frost calm” on Maki instead of Yuuji, since SHE was the actual threat in the fight.
Hey, are you still up to discussing this on discord privately? Honestly I feel this video lacks in alot of more aspects than the previous one, and really has some fucking weird points (alot of caricatures being used to be clear). Do you mind having discussions on this topic again like you did last video?
I think it’s more likely the statement is with Rika+Yuta cuz thats kinda the base standard of FP Yuta. A domain amp is temporary yet the statement is likely just in reference to Yuta in general. Nice video though.
Yuta + Rika is also temporary. It's 5 minutes
I think considering that Yuta himself says that Hakari at his best is stronger than him obviously makes them relative we can’t include Maki in that she struggled in killing most of her clan even after awakening she took massive damage to Naoya who didn’t even want to try to fight Yuta and they’re all first grade level we have no way of telling if she’s beating special grades while Yuta has taken out 4 while holding back against 2 at the same time
Bro maki literally told yuta to stop being humble after he said that 😭 you can’t take what yuta said literally
Good job Six, now all is left is for you to realise that Tobirama slams Minato
Huh?
@@thenoobmonster269 you read what I said
Too bad he’s probably not doing that
I just had this random thought healthy Itachi vs Obito(the version who faced kakashi) in Taijitsu(did I type that right) also what color would Obito's susano been?
Taijutsu. Obito wins. It would be blue as Kakashi was using Obito's chakra not his.
@@jackgonahieu4999 oh ok
In the argument about yuta getting speed blitzed bc of maki could keep up with 15 finger sukana you also have to remember megami made sukana hold back when he was fighting them and that's why he attacked the ground so he prolly couldn't use his full speed
btw me as an anime only hearing all these Maki praise all over the internet, Maki being that random forgettable girl with glasses is like.. weird
Yuta is stronger than gojo when he beat toji
That’s very debatable and that’s only if he could land his domain. Plus teen gojo still has access to teleportion
@@BeastBoy557 gojo didn’t have domain expansion when he fought toji nd he didn’t have reverse curse technique all things yuta has.
@@iHiTbillys He quite literally just stated he learned “Fallen Blossom Emotion” as a kid and it’s likely he learned simple domain as well. I also just mentioned that he still has access too teleportion and hollow purple. Yuta is gonna struggle getting past infinity before anything else
5:17 - 5:59 someone help me. if she cant do what 3 people did to one persons, in a 1v1 that means shes weaker then that person. no?
Ig yes
@@christianrowe992 did I miss his point or something bc he said that point like that wasn’t the case
@@Sed325_ I think you think he's comparing her to Kenjaku, which he's not. His point is that she's not weaker than Yuta and that people took her statement to mean that she admitted that she was weaker than Yuta/Yuki. Her statement only means that she thinks it will be difficult for anyone to beat Kenjaku if Yuki, Choso, and Tengen combined couldn't.
The way Gege has set up the story im convinced the only people who could beat Toji are Gojo and a full Sukuna. Look Maki development skyrocketed after shibuya, she couldnt beat dagon in a group of 4 Toji comes in and literally flings her from her weapon and beats him. So mai dies and all of a sudden shes one of the best, i dont buy it. I know she took down the zenin clan but they mostly consist of bog standard sorcerers anyway. She has traits of toji but she not fully realised like him, im sure she says that in one chapter. Toji fought Gojo and Geto the two strongest sorcerers on the same day. Think Toji beats Yuta and Hikari, they are the best of their generation but theyre not Toji. Yuta has the best chance out of anyone but straight hands Toji wipes the floor with him. Tojis weight in the story is unmatched and theres no denying it. Gojo the strongest sorcerer, Sukuna the strongest curse and Toji the strongest human.
The Manga states that she grew to be as strong as Toji physically when her twin sister Mai died. Her Heavenly Restriction was strengthened, and it showed when she went from being casually one shot by her father to casually dogging on her father when he was serious about cutting her down.
It was mentioned on panel multiple times. The problem with her is that she's younger, doesn't have his experience, and is new to this level of strength.
That's why she is regarded as an equal after slaughtering a Cursed Naoya, since she was capable of changing her mindset and growing enough to be able to properly utilize her new body.
Ie, you didn't properly read the events following her getting wrecked by Dagan and Jogo, and then finally when her father failed to kill her. Mai even stated that she'd fully take away Makis Cursed energy, as while she was alive, Maki would always be half-assed.