But unfortunately, Murad 4 was a cruel sadistic tyrant and is brother Ibrahim was mentally and emotional insane. Both did very little in ruling the empire and devoted all of their time to pleasure and concubines, leaving the empire to rot! Kosem was not any better either. For the fact that she had her own children and grandchildren murdered, and her toddler granddaughters married off for political gain to men old enough to be their grandfathers. What a witch she was!
A big relief for atike...she never wanted her sister to be happy,and even silahter didn't loved atike,but atike told lie to sultan murat and made that marriage happened...I feel very bad for gevherhan
The actor playing Gevherhan is only a year younger than the one essaying the role of Kosem but they've convincingly portrayed a mother and daughter role, which otherwise sounds awkward. The power of acting as well as makeup!
Around 21:28 You can sense how Atike really had no sense of remorse, or reason. Playing as a victim now, pointing back at Silathar. To me this is a sign of a manipulative partner.
One minute later the look on her face when Silathar tells her that she is to be his punishment. It's like she finally gets that he really doesn't love her.
Atike not only caused the burden of guilt on her own self but implicated her brother too with guilt. She told him half truth, n lies actually also threatened to kill herself to a brother that highly adores and values her ! The other sister was presumed to be submissive so he acted accordingly. Although in this particular matter he should’ve considered his mothers advice “U have to consider happiness of Geverhan too” but I guess it did the opposite effect. Since it was coming from Kosem Murad got determined to act against it.
@@annaismokrani4752 basically gevherhan was in love with this guy called silahtar and he loved her too, but atike was in love with silahtar and persuaded murad (who was an idiot in this case) to let her marry silahtar and get gevherhan married to some other person. Gevherhan told murad that she loved silahtar and im not sure but i think silahtar too but murad wouldnt listen to anyone other than atike so atike basically ruined gevherhans life
Ibrahim just laid down the truth! In some ways, both Atike and Sultan Murad are similar. They let anger blind them to the point they destroyed their loved ones. If you have a conscience, you will be reminded of your sins everyday for the rest of your life as punishment. If you don’t feel remorse, you’ll keep doing the same thing over and over again until you make a mistake and your enemies kills you or God decides what cruel fate is in store for you. Karma will get you eventually. I liked Kosem at the beginning but as she got older, her personality changed. Power and control is all she cared about so her children suffered one by one and that’s why she was murdered at the end. She was very smart and clever to survive all the plots her enemies set against her but in so doing, she became like them.
The way Murad was looking at Kosem when she was talking was so interesting- he knew he was going to hear something he wouldnt like, but he couldn't helpbut listen.
And still he was the only child she had that was fit to rule that state after watching all series... Kosem greed for power caused murad to make alot of bad decisions he started to see her as a rival she only wants a person she can control to be the sultan the killed ibrahim then wanted to kill his son her own grandson because she didnt have a full influence over the child..she didnt know when to stop she worst then sefye
If this series has shown the characters accurately Murad was the only true and powerful Sultan with an appropriate state of mind to rule before and after him .. before young Osman and Mustafa the mad and after kasim weak Ibrahim insane
I guess Geverhan used a knife to commit suicide because she couldn't find the little box of poison that all Sultanas on Magnificent Century Kosem are supposed to keep around for emergencies.
No . I think she used knife so she cud show them , how brutal and violently abused she has felt her entire life.. The only act of violence that geverhan ( of series ) ever committed was against herself . She took out all the violence On her self
Silahtar told Atike ,"Today I m in this palace to suffer my punishment...(that is married to you, Atike). Why would anyone want to be in a loveless marriage?? Your own sister. The things women do to each other !!!!
In real history this didn’t happen this part is fiction, and no women don’t do this to each other. This is a sign of a toxic or a bad sister relationship.
Atike was so selfish , wanted aman who she knew loved her sister, but was so jealous caused her sister's suicide. REAL sisters like Atike in this world
Why does it seem like a simpler life in a small hut is better than to live within these palaces? From the Forbidden City to the Buckingham Palace, every section of these properties are ripe with death and suffering.
Why producer made princesses in this series became a weak character? From i know, they're powerful figure in the real history. Two of Kosem's daughter had married several (6 or 7) times like it's not a big deal. They didn't had time to lovey-dovey like potrayed in this series. That's why in this aspect, i like Dilruba (one of the most annoying character). She didn't whinning like other princesses. Everyone who stand in her way are killed, and she did that not for her lover Davud, but her brother Mustafa.
agree....the writer made Kosem's daughters too weak...Even at the beginning of Murat's sultanant, it was his sisters' political marriages somehow made Kosem able to rule especially Kosem's 1st daughter had to marry 60 year's old man... At that time, one thing was in their minds, "survival is the fittest". Even some of princesses husbands were killed by Murad. But they still got remarried. How poorly the writer represented them just to make them die in front Kosem & made her worst mother
@@shinystar7879 because this is historical fiction. It may be an artist freedom of expression to create a version of character for dramatic purposes. Since this is focused on Kosem if they make the other sultanas competent/strong as her it will decrease her character's highlight in the series.
Getting marred 6 to 7 times doesn't make anyone "powerful", c`mon. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 From what i know,.they indeed got married several times, but there's no mention of them being involved in politics directly or indirectly. No significant presence in any historical events either. So, Kosem's daughters aren't enlisted in the Sultanate of Women - a name created by.historians where powerful sultanas are named.
If murad had simply married the guy to another girl entirely like Kosem said this would not have happened the two sister would have no choose to gv up but nooooo he must defy his mother on everything
Poor darling Gevherhan :( She had no other way to oppose such gross injustice. And Atike is so dumb, her assholish brother is not doing her any favours.. he only uses her as pawn to test Silahtar's loyalty. He has to be aware marriage imposed as punishment can never be happy.
One of the most heartless of Kösem and Ahmed's children (talking about in the show) is definitely Atike. She is the most self absorbed of them all, and she doesn't think about how her actions affects others. She literally threatened to kill herself if she didn't get her way, and she also used that to gather sympathy from Silahtar Mustafa.
Here, she was just a selfish silly teenager. Later, when her own mother kills her husband and sister-in -law Farya that she loved, she changes for the better. We later see Atike trying to protect her brothers, raising Farya's orphaned twins with love and doing charity work with conviction. As she matures, she changes for the better, while her family changes for the worst, especially Kosem. After her mother kills her twin brother, Atike takes Murad's orphaned daughter, her niece, and leaves the court to raise her quietly, with love, far from the blood-thirsty court and her power hungry mother.
atike served her own ambitions to get what she want. while gevherhan protected her she stood up for her atike yet preferred her desire to the happiness of her older sister. she knew verry well that gevherhan love silathar and that silathar love gevherhan. it is true that silahthar want topal pasa dead since first moment because its seems to me that he always want gevherhan. atike throught intrigue and liying get what she want. lies, accusations, guilt and sorroware gevherhan´spersonality thanks to whom she didn´t had power to live. no one didn´t lisnt to her no one want to understand her, everyone used gevherhan in his own way. to not get used her self by the others she killed her self with paid inside. she must died to her sister could get silathar because she knew verry well that if she was there she was no happy and she hated her family murad and atike. fahrye is also guilty she know verry well that silahthar and gevherhan fall in love but she was silent to atike get what she waant. atike get what she want but she lost her sister. I think that silathar live only because he listen gevherhan´s lost words " I had never happy I hope that youre will". because of these gevherhan´s words is only reason why is silathar still alive. but you can liying anyone who want silahthar. youre body is living but youre soul and youre self inside is dead. atike, fahrye murad are respansibility for gevherhan´s suicide. they had on theyre hands blood innocent because of these dead must had murad punished by loss ayse and her kids handzade and ahmed. fahrye also in future will be paid againe. it is also mayby reason why fahryie lost her baby she must be punish for gevherhan, because destiny knew that gevherhan died because of her silence. atike will be punished too. she will not be so innocent inside how she was before. gevherhan´s suicide signed on her atike destroyed her personality and innocent sumbul agha everyone get what she deserved.
Atike sultana deserves the burden of guilt and regret for what he did to his sister’s misery, he, his sister, pain doesn’t lies all on him, it goes to Atike’s blind heart to Conquest his unrequited love that doesn’t love them back. So in order to get a lil sympathy on he’s part he has to own his own fault and accept the fact that he, too participate, caused it to that point. Then child you will have sympathy from me.
@@callmeriri4706 if it was kasim or ibrahim instead of gevherhan, then she would have run towards her and hold her on her arms, besides look at kasim he barely had a reaction when its literally his sister who died
To illogical Farya haters. Farya found out about Silahtar and Gevherhan first but didn't tell Atike and instead tried to tell her to forget about Silahtar and that maybe he's not the one for her. She never fueled Atike to pursue Silahtar after that and only discouraged her. She even looked scared of what Atike might do in her ambition to get Silahtar and told her so too once. I don't know what people expected her to do? She had no power over Atike to do anything beyond that. You can blame Murad for being foolish enough to give the guy to the wrong sister and then punishing the other one with a marriage she didn't want but what's the reason for blaming Farya in this when she was 100% just in her behavior in this whole situation. If Murad had not given Silahtar to both the sisters or at least not forced Gevherhan into another marriage she didn't want, she may not have taken the extreme step. Note: My comments are only as per what was portrayed in this series. Historically, Gevherhan lived much longer, married to 3 different men one after the other + there's no record of a Princess Farya as Sultan Murad's wife
Wasn't Silahtar basically held captive for a little bit though? He was bullied and beaten into submission by Murad. Farya tap-danced on my nerves throughout this half of the series but even I didn't pin the blame on her.
She was the one to tell Kusem about this whole fight between sisters. How come you didn't mention that. But I do agree that there were nothing she could possibly do . The ones to blame are Atike and Murad.
The translator of this video is confusing man and women names. He= she and she is he. Himself = herself. But also "you will be far from his place" = "He will be far from this place". He is the prince and a male. But i am still greatfull for all his work to translate this fantastic serie.
Omg kosem is such a hypocrite ! Throughtout the show she always mistreated her daugther , yelled at her , dismissed and invalidated her feelings and shut her down rudely now she cries and holds her chest because the poor girl was done with all of them ?
Kösem acts like that because she knows how crazy Murad is. When she was alone with Murad, she told him that he has to consider Gevherhan's happiness too. But Murad, always thinking he knows better, ignored that
Oh my dear gevherhan😢really felt bad for her,such a sweetheart she was and was destined to be happy with silahtar.But she wanted to take her life instead of worrying about her son that was so selfish of her.What was her child’s mistake who lost his dad and his mom as well.And for atike such a horrible life.She got what she wanted may be but lost her sister and the person she loved.All these fights to attain silatar was for nothing.
All of her children except Atike died before her. I'm not sure about Atike but everyone else died. And Turhan was the future so everyone went to her leaving old Kösem behind just like people did to Safiya
Turkish doesn't have gendered pronouns which means that translating the dialogue would pose some difficulty when it comes to determining whether the pronoun is supposed to refer to a male or female. This problem appears most often when it's translated through a translating program/site, which obviously won't be able to determine which right pronoun it has to use given the context.
Farya da Atike də hər ikisi sinsi yılan. Silahtarın onu sevmədiyini bildiyi halde yalanlar uydurub Gevherhanın kanı hesabına silahtarla zorla evləndi. Amma evləndi də nooldu.... Silahtar asla sevmedi onu asla mutlu bir yuva kuramadı.
Absolutely wrong. Farya found out about Silahtar and Gevherhan first but didn't tell Atike but instead tried to tell her to forget about Silahtar and that maybe he's not the one for her. She never fueled Atike to pursue Silahtar after that and only discouraged her. She even looked scared of what Atike might do in her ambition to get Silahtar and told her so too once. I don't know what people expected her to do? She had no power over Atike to do anything beyond that. You can blame Murad for being foolish enough to give the guy to the wrong sister and then punishing the other one with a marriage she didn't want but what's the reason for blaming Farya in this when she was 100% just in her behavior in this whole situation. If Murad had not given Silahtar to both the sisters or at least not forced Gevherhan into another marriage she didn't want, she may not have taken the extreme step. Note: My comments are only as per what was portrayed in this series. Historically, Gevherhan lived much longer, married to 3 different men one after the other + there's no record of a Princess Farya as Sultan Murad's wife
I feel really bad for Murad here,,he was confused for his two sisters being in love with the same person,,what else would he do when his sister already threatened him for her own life which she had already attemted once
like I told you up that atike was trully daughter of kosem I´m convicted on 100% that gevherhan was too, and she was the most propably eldest child of kosem born infront of mehmed and ayse 8.3.1605- cortarini ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong concubine name mahpeyker hatun.: cortarini says that when valide handan sultan found out she let whip mahpeyker and expeled from the palace, what is interesting. cortarini in the begining of his letter talked about rule violation. tezcan -mustafa I was born 1603 but propably mystake mehmed sureya scicili osmany- osman II was born according to islamic calendar 15.11.1603. but it would be mystake because he was born 4.11.1604. alderson and necdet sakaoglu- mehmed III had concubine name mahpeyker but propably mystake with kosem. so, who was born in year 1603(15.11): cortarini continue: few days after what he take crown(1603) he want to know about concubine(maheyker) what is with her and if he could bring her back. it ignited more than ever that he learned that he had a child. he let bring her back. cortarini mention that when ahmed take crown in 1603 he had child.and what is interesting is that according to giovanni mocegino "she (kosem) was bring own his own request" it must be mahpeyker who mention cortarini. borekci 9.1.1604 when cerrah mehmed pasha died he name his first born daughter gevherhan. According to the Venetian bailo Ottaviano Bon, in-between his two sons’ births, that is, between November 1604 and March 1605, Ahmed had his firstborn daughter. ASVe, SDC. Filza 61, fol. 19v (dated March 14, 1605). Although the names of two of Ahmed’s (at least) five daughters, Gevherhan and Ayşe, are known, their exact birth dates remain unclear. according to marked ahmed had in march 14 two sons and five daughters. only two of them gevherhan and ayse (daughters of kosem are known, another three daughter were from less important concubines. only reason why gevherhan and ayse were known is that theyre were daughter of kosem. while history of palace says that ayse was born as a twin sehzade mehmed 8.3.1605 gevherhan must born infront of her. Ps.: ayse sultan- history of palace says that nasuh pasha was executed infront of 9 years old ayse in 1614, 1614-9=1605. in march 1605 is record of ayse sultan daughter of ahmed I. and what is interesting is that tezcan found that mehmed second born son ahmed I from kosem was born 8.3.1605 . in march 1605 is mention about two children of kosem daughter ayse and son mehmed. current eu source talked about birth of twin mehmed and ayse were born 8.3.1605. pietro della valle mention that wife married for mehmed pasha was the first daughter of ahmed I. alderson says that name of daughter was gevherhan. which mean that if was ayse born together with mehmed 8.3.1605 she most was born infront of them. cortarini also mention exact of her date: 1603 he let married two daughters 9 years old and 7 years old for nasuh pasha and mehmed pasha. cortarini says that when ayse and gevherhan were according to historians married in 1612 the princeses were 9 and second 7. history palace says that in 1614 was ayse 9 years old so which mean that 7 years old daughter of ahmed must be wife nasuh pasha. and ninght years old princesses must be gevherhan because she was born her mother kosem 1603 gevherhan 1612m.-9 years old =1603(15.11) ayse 1612m.-7 years old=1605(8.3) date doen´s lie Ps.: what is intersting next- naima "I gave you my three years old daughter" george sandys says that gevherhan was married in 1607 fro mehmed pasha fifthy years old man. tezcan says that gevherhan was married for mehmed pasha 1607-1611, alderson- in 4 four years old 1606-3=1603(naima in 1606 kosem plaine to get married her eldest daughter in 1606 to somebody) 1607-4 (alderson ans tezcan in 1607 was gevherhan four years old when she was for frst time married. 1612-9 in 1612 was gevherhan 9 ninth years old. gevherhan sultan b.15.11.1603 eldest child of ahmed from kosem sultan. "osman orphan only child woman who died infront of ten years ago"(in nushle), achile de halrey (wrote 1614/1615) says that osman didn´t had anny sister he was orphan. mahfiruz is like mother of geverhan totaly disputed , according to source gevherhan was born infront of when mahfiruz came to the harem 1604 when osman was born in 1604 gevherhan was on the world but mahfiruz wasn´t in harrem.
Bruh what a sultan😂kind of dumb to let so many womens to manipulate you starting with his mother,sister and second wife all played him big time.The costs were too big he lost his first wife, kids,sister,and loyal friend.Just one detail...they forgot the blood.I mean there is no blood at all 🤣
It's a fact in every single monarchy and kingdom women are the one to rule and decide the kings afair it's not just Murad and he's not dumb but has a lot of anger issues the greatest ruler Suleman always asked and left decisions to his mother and wife... Hurem sultan and of course everyone knows Hurem was the true ruler at that time.... I'm not saying Suleman wasn't a good ruler.....
She killed herself for a stupid thing called love She should've realized there is nothing such as love People change it's an overwhelming feeling, just move on instead of looking for love like a crazy bird
Atike suffered anyway good for her silahtar never showed love to atike and silahtar was murdered in the end geverhans wishes came true they had no happy ending same as the sultan who always buried his children ..
Murad, seharusnya kamu bersikap adil, persatukan kedua org yg saling mencintai, atau tdk kedua2 nya mendptkan silahtar .. atike sungguh memalukan, bisa2 nya menerima pernikahan dgn lelaki yg jelas2 tdk mencintainya
Gevherhan knows that Atike love Silahter but still she is lying to Atike, but she continued to date him without thinking about Atika who told her sister about her feelings so don't blame Atika
Mustafa was the baby of the second woman that sultan Osman had, after Meleksima, he met her during the winter, it was the daughter of mufti efendi, who didnt want to give Osman the fatwa to execute Mehmet. I think Dilruba sent to kill them (in the series)
That sceam of kosem ,a mother's soul tearing pain every time gets me....😢 .
The actor did so good in her role in this scene
Tell me about its beautifully painful
Ibrahim was perfectly sane here. He was right about Atike. She killed Geverhan. It's her fault.
But unfortunately, Murad 4 was a cruel sadistic tyrant and is brother Ibrahim was mentally and emotional insane. Both did very little in ruling the empire and devoted all of their time to pleasure and concubines, leaving the empire to rot! Kosem was not any better either. For the fact that she had her own children and grandchildren murdered, and her toddler granddaughters married off for political gain to men old enough to be their grandfathers. What a witch she was!
A big relief for atike...she never wanted her sister to be happy,and even silahter didn't loved atike,but atike told lie to sultan murat and made that marriage happened...I feel very bad for gevherhan
I'd be heartbroken if I were in Gevherhan's place. So heartbreaking...
Atike and Farya are two characters I could not stand in this section, and I 100% commend their actresses in this AMAZING acting!!!
Me too
Same
I love atike and farya
Agree with you 100%
same
The actor playing Gevherhan is only a year younger than the one essaying the role of Kosem but they've convincingly portrayed a mother and daughter role, which otherwise sounds awkward. The power of acting as well as makeup!
Yeşilçay is almost 3 years older than Tandoğan.
@@Laura892ful Three years isn't much, even so they've done it well.
they still look like mother and daughter lol
Same as how Hurrem & Mihrimmah Actress Meryem Uzerli & Pelin Karahan. Both have very little age gap.
Hurrem and Mihrimah also only one year gap
Around 21:28 You can sense how Atike really had no sense of remorse, or reason. Playing as a victim now, pointing back at Silathar. To me this is a sign of a manipulative partner.
One minute later the look on her face when Silathar tells her that she is to be his punishment. It's like she finally gets that he really doesn't love her.
@@juicyfruit382 She was delusional to think that he ever did.
Atike not only caused the burden of guilt on her own self but implicated her brother too with guilt. She told him half truth, n lies actually also threatened to kill herself to a brother that highly adores and values her ! The other sister was presumed to be submissive so he acted accordingly. Although in this particular matter he should’ve considered his mothers advice “U have to consider happiness of Geverhan too” but I guess it did the opposite effect. Since it was coming from Kosem Murad got determined to act against it.
He did make those choices out of spite.
I feel so bad for Gevherhan. Atike is selfish and Murad is so clueless.
Bro Sultan Murad loves Atike blindly
Atike was so selfish and annoying. I can't stand her 🙄
I feel so bad for Geverhan Atike is selfish and Murad is so clueless
@@MD_263what Atike did to her ?
@@annaismokrani4752 basically gevherhan was in love with this guy called silahtar and he loved her too, but atike was in love with silahtar and persuaded murad (who was an idiot in this case) to let her marry silahtar and get gevherhan married to some other person. Gevherhan told murad that she loved silahtar and im not sure but i think silahtar too but murad wouldnt listen to anyone other than atike so atike basically ruined gevherhans life
I love hoy Ibrahim said Atike in her face that she was the only guilty for Geverhan death
Ibrahim just laid down the truth! In some ways, both Atike and Sultan Murad are similar. They let anger blind them to the point they destroyed their loved ones. If you have a conscience, you will be reminded of your sins everyday for the rest of your life as punishment. If you don’t feel remorse, you’ll keep doing the same thing over and over again until you make a mistake and your enemies kills you or God decides what cruel fate is in store for you. Karma will get you eventually. I liked Kosem at the beginning but as she got older, her personality changed. Power and control is all she cared about so her children suffered one by one and that’s why she was murdered at the end. She was very smart and clever to survive all the plots her enemies set against her but in so doing, she became like them.
Right , Kosem 's actions actually ruined her children 's lives
But Murad never had anger either for geveran or for silhadar
Murad could have easily stopped all these if he just exiled silhtar or send him away but he was heartless and farya playedwith him
Yeah. Why did he go unpunished?! I mean his punishment wasn't really a punishment.
The way Murad was looking at Kosem when she was talking was so interesting- he knew he was going to hear something he wouldnt like, but he couldn't helpbut listen.
And people be blaming Kösem for ending Murad. He dug his own grave by living a life surrounded by snakes and by leaving his own mother
Who are you referring to as snakes ?
And people be blaming Kosem for ending Murad He dug his own grave by living a life surrounded by snakes and by leaving his own mother
And still he was the only child she had that was fit to rule that state after watching all series... Kosem greed for power caused murad to make alot of bad decisions he started to see her as a rival she only wants a person she can control to be the sultan the killed ibrahim then wanted to kill his son her own grandson because she didnt have a full influence over the child..she didnt know when to stop she worst then sefye
If this series has shown the characters accurately Murad was the only true and powerful Sultan with an appropriate state of mind to rule before and after him .. before young Osman and Mustafa the mad and after kasim weak Ibrahim insane
Then why she tried to end mehmed..why bcz the boy didn’t wanted to drink milk??😂😂😂
I guess Geverhan used a knife to commit suicide because she couldn't find the little box of poison that all Sultanas on Magnificent Century Kosem are supposed to keep around for emergencies.
Poisons can be actually very brutal.
I think it was meant to be symbolic to what she felt bc of her brother and atike
No . I think she used knife so she cud show them , how brutal and violently abused she has felt her entire life..
The only act of violence that geverhan ( of series ) ever committed was against herself .
She took out all the violence
On her self
No it’s most likely to send a message. So it make sense why she chose a brutal way to die.
My most favourite Sultana in kosem series is gevherhan sultan...❤️
She resembles Hatije Sultan, the sister of Suleiman I, too melancholic. It is difficult for such people to live in the cruel world.
Silahtar told Atike ,"Today I m in this palace to suffer my punishment...(that is married to you, Atike). Why would anyone want to be in a loveless marriage?? Your own sister. The things women do to each other !!!!
In real history this didn’t happen this part is fiction, and no women don’t do this to each other. This is a sign of a toxic or a bad sister relationship.
@@Blooming_Crystals Right. Gevherhan was married twice and didn't kill herself. Whether Atike is Kösem's daughter or not is disputed.
@@mottom2657 Yep! 👍💕
Atike was so selfish , wanted aman who she knew loved her sister, but was so jealous caused her sister's suicide. REAL sisters like Atike in this world
True
they finally mentioned the scene where she did witchcraft to save her loved ones and thats why she keeps losing everyone
Why does it seem like a simpler life in a small hut is better than to live within these palaces? From the Forbidden City to the Buckingham Palace, every section of these properties are ripe with death and suffering.
What a beautiful crown Kosem wears.
Why producer made princesses in this series became a weak character? From i know, they're powerful figure in the real history. Two of Kosem's daughter had married several (6 or 7) times like it's not a big deal. They didn't had time to lovey-dovey like potrayed in this series. That's why in this aspect, i like Dilruba (one of the most annoying character). She didn't whinning like other princesses. Everyone who stand in her way are killed, and she did that not for her lover Davud, but her brother Mustafa.
agree
agree....the writer made Kosem's daughters too weak...Even at the beginning of Murat's sultanant, it was his sisters' political marriages somehow made Kosem able to rule especially Kosem's 1st daughter had to marry 60 year's old man... At that time, one thing was in their minds, "survival is the fittest". Even some of princesses husbands were killed by Murad. But they still got remarried. How poorly the writer represented them just to make them die in front Kosem & made her worst mother
@@shinystar7879 because this is historical fiction. It may be an artist freedom of expression to create a version of character for dramatic purposes. Since this is focused on Kosem if they make the other sultanas competent/strong as her it will decrease her character's highlight in the series.
Getting marred 6 to 7 times doesn't make anyone "powerful", c`mon. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 From what i know,.they indeed got married several times, but there's no mention of them being involved in politics directly or indirectly. No significant presence in any historical events either. So, Kosem's daughters aren't enlisted in the Sultanate of Women - a name created by.historians where powerful sultanas are named.
Yeah. Ayse could have been a powerful character in season 2. She made so much sense in season 1 especially her bond with Mehmed and Murad.
Ibrahim is everyone's voice
If murad had simply married the guy to another girl entirely like Kosem said this would not have happened the two sister would have no choose to gv up but nooooo he must defy his mother on everything
He did c'z atike threatened him for her life
Poor darling Gevherhan :( She had no other way to oppose such gross injustice. And Atike is so dumb, her assholish brother is not doing her any favours.. he only uses her as pawn to test Silahtar's loyalty. He has to be aware marriage imposed as punishment can never be happy.
What do you mean assholish
@@hamdaali3851 Think she means he is an asshole
And you poor old witch black cat take other place
2:56 It's anastasia lullaby song music 😍😍😍
Omfl-
You're right-
So glad Ibrahim told Atike off!
One of the most heartless of Kösem and Ahmed's children (talking about in the show) is definitely Atike.
She is the most self absorbed of them all, and she doesn't think about how her actions affects others.
She literally threatened to kill herself if she didn't get her way, and she also used that to gather sympathy from Silahtar Mustafa.
Here, she was just a selfish silly teenager. Later, when her own mother kills her husband and sister-in -law Farya that she loved, she changes for the better. We later see Atike trying to protect her brothers, raising Farya's orphaned twins with love and doing charity work with conviction. As she matures, she changes for the better, while her family changes for the worst, especially Kosem. After her mother kills her twin brother, Atike takes Murad's orphaned daughter, her niece, and leaves the court to raise her quietly, with love, far from the blood-thirsty court and her power hungry mother.
atike served her own ambitions to get what she want. while gevherhan protected her she stood up for her atike yet preferred her desire to the happiness of her older sister. she knew verry well that gevherhan love silathar and that silathar love gevherhan. it is true that silahthar want topal pasa dead since first moment because its seems to me that he always want gevherhan.
atike throught intrigue and liying get what she want.
lies, accusations, guilt and sorroware gevherhan´spersonality thanks to whom she didn´t had power to live. no one didn´t lisnt to her no one want to understand her, everyone used gevherhan in his own way. to not get used her self by the others she killed her self with paid inside. she must died to her sister could get silathar because she knew verry well that if she was there she was no happy and she hated her family murad and atike.
fahrye is also guilty she know verry well that silahthar and gevherhan fall in love but she was silent to atike get what she waant.
atike get what she want but she lost her sister. I think that silathar live only because he listen gevherhan´s lost words " I had never happy I hope that youre will". because of these gevherhan´s words is only reason why is silathar still alive.
but you can liying anyone who want silahthar. youre body is living but youre soul and youre self inside is dead.
atike, fahrye murad are respansibility for gevherhan´s suicide. they had on theyre hands blood innocent because of these dead must had murad punished by loss ayse and her kids handzade and ahmed. fahrye also in future will be paid againe. it is also mayby reason why fahryie lost her baby she must be punish for gevherhan, because destiny knew that gevherhan died because of her silence. atike will be punished too. she will not be so innocent inside how she was before. gevherhan´s suicide signed on her atike destroyed her personality and innocent
sumbul agha everyone get what she deserved.
Atike sultana deserves the burden of guilt and regret for what he did to his sister’s misery, he, his sister, pain doesn’t lies all on him, it goes to Atike’s blind heart to Conquest his unrequited love that doesn’t love them back. So in order to get a lil sympathy on he’s part he has to own his own fault and accept the fact that he, too participate, caused it to that point. Then child you will have sympathy from me.
My favourite princess in this drama ❤❤..The only pure hearted princess in whole series 😢😢
Top tier acting.👌💯
Atika spoil gevherhan life.
No it wasn't Atike it was a wrong decision of sultan Murad
@@aesthetic__life No, it was Atike
@@KingOfDust geverhan spoil her life by her own hands not atika
No .... murat
True
Jealous and w/out Respect each other...poor Family even they are most powerfull ...
Kosem didnt cry like that when she executed IbraHiM
I like the part when Kosem Sultan cries. XDD.
Waaaa 😭
16:54 That soundtrack is really good
The music begins at7:56 is so heart touching
Which song is it?
bruh murad is the only one who actually caught/held her lol
rest of the others are just standing there😂😅
I think they were to shocked, u saw Kosem, all she did was fall to the ground.
@@callmeriri4706 yeah sure kosem is her mother and she has saw numerous deaths of her loved ones by now ...shoot😪
@@callmeriri4706 if it was kasim or ibrahim instead of gevherhan, then she would have run towards her and hold her on her arms, besides look at kasim he barely had a reaction when its literally his sister who died
@@conserztasfia0078 people react different to deaths. Stop behaving like you know everyone, especially series characters
smh....all for a man who will NEVER love you. You literally lose your sister....
15:40 if you only listened to yo mama that has sacrificed so much for you even before you were born…
I don't understand why they didn't let them get married. They fell in love. Just to fulfill a whim of Attike, destroyed two lives.
Atike & Silathar deserve each other They are the same
To illogical Farya haters.
Farya found out about Silahtar and Gevherhan first but didn't tell Atike and instead tried to tell her to forget about Silahtar and that maybe he's not the one for her.
She never fueled Atike to pursue Silahtar after that and only discouraged her.
She even looked scared of what Atike might do in her ambition to get Silahtar and told her so too once.
I don't know what people expected her to do? She had no power over Atike to do anything beyond that.
You can blame Murad for being foolish enough to give the guy to the wrong sister and then punishing the other one with a marriage she didn't want but what's the reason for blaming Farya in this when she was 100% just in her behavior in this whole situation.
If Murad had not given Silahtar to both the sisters or at least not forced Gevherhan into another marriage she didn't want, she may not have taken the extreme step.
Note: My comments are only as per what was portrayed in this series. Historically, Gevherhan lived much longer, married to 3 different men one after the other + there's no record of a Princess Farya as Sultan Murad's wife
Wasn't Silahtar basically held captive for a little bit though? He was bullied and beaten into submission by Murad. Farya tap-danced on my nerves throughout this half of the series but even I didn't pin the blame on her.
She was the one to tell Kusem about this whole fight between sisters. How come you didn't mention that.
But I do agree that there were nothing she could possibly do .
The ones to blame are Atike and Murad.
The translator of this video is confusing man and women names. He= she and she is he. Himself = herself. But also "you will be far from his place" = "He will be far from this place". He is the prince and a male. But i am still greatfull for all his work to translate this fantastic serie.
yeaah 🤣
Turkish doesn’t have gendered pronouns like English has, it makes translation a tad bit awkward.
Something wrong here Gevherhan lived longer than Murad himself the producers should've seen this but it's whatever
These series are highly fictionalized. The Princess Farya was never even with Murad.
If silhitar really loved gerhavran, then why did he just stand there and let this happen?! Rush in there and try to stop it!
He cant be in harem. If he was, he could be executed immediately
@@elveneleven4295 ok, that makes sense then.
( كم تركوا من جنات وعيون . وزروع ومقام كريم . ونعمة كانوا فيها فاكهين )
What did atike expect that everything would be rosy after all she caused
Yes Atika keep it up. I me mine. You never grew past childhood. Its all about you and you feelings. No one else matters.
the mom scream sound like AGATHA HARKNESS LMAO
Atike had to play the victim and silhtar could of stopped her from killing her self.felt so much for geverhan
Gevherhan 🥺💔
Are the little coffins in the far right at about 11:31 the sons of osman?
Everyone realises your pain when u r not between them😢
If atike and silahtar could be together than why couldn't geverhan and silahtar be together
Cause Atike is brat who tried to kill herself over that and Murad was being foolish.
Omg kosem is such a hypocrite ! Throughtout the show she always mistreated her daugther , yelled at her , dismissed and invalidated her feelings and shut her down rudely now she cries and holds her chest because the poor girl was done with all of them ?
Kösem acts like that because she knows how crazy Murad is. When she was alone with Murad, she told him that he has to consider Gevherhan's happiness too. But Murad, always thinking he knows better, ignored that
Oh my dear gevherhan😢really felt bad for her,such a sweetheart she was and was destined to be happy with silahtar.But she wanted to take her life instead of worrying about her son that was so selfish of her.What was her child’s mistake who lost his dad and his mom as well.And for atike such a horrible life.She got what she wanted may be but lost her sister and the person she loved.All these fights to attain silatar was for nothing.
I still don't get it in real life geverhan didn't die like that so how come they didn't help their mother when turhan sultan killed kosem
All of her children except Atike died before her. I'm not sure about Atike but everyone else died. And Turhan was the future so everyone went to her leaving old Kösem behind just like people did to Safiya
@@harisazam3339 that sucks
It's a game of power. And for sure it's disgusting
@@harisazam3339 well yes if you want to keep your sultanate as long as possible you need to kill everyone in your way
@@harisazam3339 atike left after ibrahim death
30:24 bravO Ibrahim
someone died and everyone is playing the blame game
Silathar and gevhran loves story was so fascinating.. Wish we could see them together.. Even murad love story was not interesting
Caner Cindoruk (Silahtar) again destroying the life of two sisters, like in Kadin.
can anyone tell me what happen to kosem sultans eldest daughter aysa sultan
It was really a heart broken moment 😢
this series ias directe very well
23:52 this song ❤❤
16:28 ibrahim pasha 💔
Violin?
i love haci agha he always stood by kosem sultan
The subtitle is confusing. He or she?
Yes you are absolutely right
Turkish doesn't have gendered pronouns which means that translating the dialogue would pose some difficulty when it comes to determining whether the pronoun is supposed to refer to a male or female. This problem appears most often when it's translated through a translating program/site, which obviously won't be able to determine which right pronoun it has to use given the context.
Which episode is this
Who is Omer or Zeynep that Kosem mentioned?
Osman's children
What are the songs? When Gherevhan walks to her fate and when she actually takes her life?
Farya da Atike də hər ikisi sinsi yılan. Silahtarın onu sevmədiyini bildiyi halde yalanlar uydurub Gevherhanın kanı hesabına silahtarla zorla evləndi. Amma evləndi də nooldu.... Silahtar asla sevmedi onu asla mutlu bir yuva kuramadı.
Mehrunnisa and Geverhan took their lives similarly
16:57 name of this song?
Yasli - Soner Akalin
yasli
This is the same song in magnificent century with Sultan Suleiman 😭😭😭
@@angie_renn ibrahim pasha's
Farya's fauLt.
She keeps on encouRaGiNg AtiKe.
Absolutely wrong.
Farya found out about Silahtar and Gevherhan first but didn't tell Atike but instead tried to tell her to forget about Silahtar and that maybe he's not the one for her.
She never fueled Atike to pursue Silahtar after that and only discouraged her.
She even looked scared of what Atike might do in her ambition to get Silahtar and told her so too once.
I don't know what people expected her to do? She had no power over Atike to do anything beyond that.
You can blame Murad for being foolish enough to give the guy to the wrong sister and then punishing the other one with a marriage she didn't want but what's the reason for blaming Farya in this when she was 100% just in her behavior in this whole situation.
If Murad had not given Silahtar to both the sisters or at least not forced Gevherhan into another marriage she didn't want, she may not have taken the extreme step.
Note: My comments are only as per what was portrayed in this series. Historically, Gevherhan lived much longer, married to 3 different men one after the other + there's no record of a Princess Farya as Sultan Murad's wife
I feel really bad for Murad here,,he was confused for his two sisters being in love with the same person,,what else would he do when his sister already threatened him for her own life which she had already attemted once
I blame silitar for everything first he enjoyed women then got one of them killed
Can't believe atikke had the cheek to even blame geverhan such a nasty woman and a terrible sister
She is so beautiful
I'm also feel very bad
For gavran
7:57 name of the song?
x2
like I told you up that atike was trully daughter of kosem I´m convicted on 100% that gevherhan was too, and she was the most propably eldest child of kosem born infront of mehmed and ayse 8.3.1605-
cortarini ahmed like sehzade sadduced yong concubine name mahpeyker hatun.:
cortarini says that when valide handan sultan found out she let whip mahpeyker and expeled from the palace, what is interesting.
cortarini in the begining of his letter talked about rule violation.
tezcan -mustafa I was born 1603 but propably mystake
mehmed sureya scicili osmany- osman II was born according to islamic calendar 15.11.1603. but it would be mystake because he was born 4.11.1604.
alderson and necdet sakaoglu- mehmed III had concubine name mahpeyker but propably mystake with kosem.
so, who was born in year 1603(15.11):
cortarini continue:
few days after what he take crown(1603) he want to know about concubine(maheyker) what is with her and if he could bring her back. it ignited more than ever that he learned that he had a child. he let bring her back.
cortarini mention that when ahmed take crown in 1603 he had child.and what is interesting is that according to giovanni mocegino "she (kosem) was bring own his own request" it must be mahpeyker who mention cortarini.
borekci 9.1.1604 when cerrah mehmed pasha died he name his first born daughter gevherhan.
According to the Venetian bailo Ottaviano Bon, in-between his two sons’ births, that is, between November
1604 and March 1605, Ahmed had his firstborn daughter. ASVe, SDC. Filza 61, fol. 19v (dated March 14, 1605).
Although the names of two of Ahmed’s (at least) five daughters, Gevherhan and Ayşe, are known, their exact birth dates remain unclear.
according to marked ahmed had in march 14 two sons and five daughters. only two of them gevherhan and ayse (daughters of kosem are known, another three daughter were from less important concubines. only reason why gevherhan and ayse were known is that theyre were daughter of kosem. while history of palace says that ayse was born as a twin sehzade mehmed 8.3.1605 gevherhan must born infront of her.
Ps.: ayse sultan- history of palace says that nasuh pasha was executed infront of 9 years old ayse in 1614,
1614-9=1605. in march 1605 is record of ayse sultan daughter of ahmed I. and what is interesting is that tezcan found that mehmed second born son ahmed I from kosem was born 8.3.1605 . in march 1605 is mention about two children of kosem daughter ayse and son mehmed. current eu source talked about birth of twin mehmed and ayse were born 8.3.1605.
pietro della valle mention that wife married for mehmed pasha was the first daughter of ahmed I. alderson says that name of daughter was gevherhan. which mean that if was ayse born together with mehmed 8.3.1605 she most was born infront of them.
cortarini also mention exact of her date: 1603
he let married two daughters 9 years old and 7 years old for nasuh pasha and mehmed pasha.
cortarini says that when ayse and gevherhan were according to historians married in 1612 the princeses were 9 and second 7. history palace says that in 1614 was ayse 9 years old so which mean that 7 years old daughter of ahmed must be wife nasuh pasha.
and ninght years old princesses must be gevherhan because she was born her mother kosem 1603
gevherhan 1612m.-9 years old =1603(15.11)
ayse 1612m.-7 years old=1605(8.3)
date doen´s lie
Ps.: what is intersting next-
naima "I gave you my three years old daughter"
george sandys says that gevherhan was married in 1607 fro mehmed pasha fifthy years old man.
tezcan says that gevherhan was married for mehmed pasha 1607-1611,
alderson- in 4 four years old
1606-3=1603(naima in 1606 kosem plaine to get married her eldest daughter in 1606 to somebody)
1607-4 (alderson ans tezcan in 1607 was gevherhan four years old when she was for frst time married.
1612-9 in 1612 was gevherhan 9 ninth years old.
gevherhan sultan b.15.11.1603 eldest child of ahmed from kosem sultan.
"osman orphan only child woman who died infront of ten years ago"(in nushle), achile de halrey (wrote 1614/1615) says that osman didn´t had anny sister he was orphan. mahfiruz is like mother of geverhan totaly disputed , according to source gevherhan was born infront of when mahfiruz came to the harem 1604 when osman was born in 1604 gevherhan was on the world but mahfiruz wasn´t in harrem.
Bruh what a sultan😂kind of dumb to let so many womens to manipulate you starting with his mother,sister and second wife all played him big time.The costs were too big he lost his first wife, kids,sister,and loyal friend.Just one detail...they forgot the blood.I mean there is no blood at all 🤣
It's a fact in every single monarchy and kingdom women are the one to rule and decide the kings afair it's not just Murad and he's not dumb but has a lot of anger issues the greatest ruler Suleman always asked and left decisions to his mother and wife... Hurem sultan and of course everyone knows Hurem was the true ruler at that time.... I'm not saying Suleman wasn't a good ruler.....
Isn’t this the women in uyanis sencar as tapar wife
Yes it's the same actress. she's evil in both shows
He was faking his heartbreak, you did this to her.
Oh no geverhan!! 😟🥺😱😱😭😭 😱😱❤❤
It so bad for gevherhan,she not happy for her marriage 😢😢😢😢
She killed herself for a stupid thing called love
She should've realized there is nothing such as love
People change it's an overwhelming feeling, just move on instead of looking for love like a crazy bird
Atikeyle kasim genis aile dizisinde birbirilerini seviyordu
Bence Atikenin olmesi hic tutarli olmadi sebebsiz kiydi canina hic kimse icin canina kiymaya deymez heliki birde cocugun varsa.
Atike suffered anyway good for her silahtar never showed love to atike and silahtar was murdered in the end geverhans wishes came true they had no happy ending same as the sultan who always buried his children ..
Murad, seharusnya kamu bersikap adil, persatukan kedua org yg saling mencintai, atau tdk kedua2 nya mendptkan silahtar .. atike sungguh memalukan, bisa2 nya menerima pernikahan dgn lelaki yg jelas2 tdk mencintainya
Silahtar is a coward. He just froze there and watch her commit suicide and didn't fight enough for his love for Givhedran.
Silahtar could of stopped her i think
ভাই কসম সুলতানের ১২৬ পর্ব বাংলা পর্ব গুলো দেন না ভাই প্লিজ ভাই এত দেরি করেন কেন দেখে না
Gevherhan knows that Atike love Silahter but still she is lying to Atike, but she continued to date him without thinking about Atika who told her sister about her feelings so don't blame Atika
Atike was a brat. She should have died, not Gevherhan.
Atike was honestly so selfish!
Who are Omer, Mustafa, and Zeynep?
Should be Osman's kids,Şehzade Omer and Zeynep Sultan but I don't remember Mustafa ^^"
Mustafa was the baby of the second woman that sultan Osman had, after Meleksima, he met her during the winter, it was the daughter of mufti efendi, who didnt want to give Osman the fatwa to execute Mehmet. I think Dilruba sent to kill them (in the series)