When I was young, i literally thought that they just forgot about Galvatron (not realizing it was Megatron) and only just realized that watching the Bay films this winter break, it’s crazy how much to learn when watching something when you’re older, Transformers is my childhood franchise, but I see it so much differently now
The feel from these movies is unreplaceable, unique... I loved being just a kid watching my favourite movies so randomly, without putting them myself as i do now... Keep those feelings close man, try thinking about them to reason and learn something, and, in the end, move on with a smile -.-
Last knight still felt more solid than age of extinction. Having to deal with the stupid leprechaun race car driver in a mommy car was very painful for me.
He probably saw himself in the mirror and got depressed with how ugly Galvatron is, so he went and got extensive mechanical surgery from Mommy Quintessa.
I have a different theory. I think a lot transpired between aoe and tlk, and I dont find it super plausible that Prime would get lapped to cybertron and back by Megatron. So how did he change? Lockdowns armory. It was already equipped with a lot of knight weaponry that we only saw some of, plus presumably a way to contact the creators, or at least one of them. Megatron after being reformed using the technology on the ship combined with Quintessas powers from afar perhaps even through the ship in some manner he was marked and then the plan commenced preparing for Optimus arrival to cybertron and Quintessas arrival with cybertron.
I like a lot of those ideas! I just can’t get behind the idea that she’d be able to influence him in such a way from across the galaxy. If she is that powerful what reason does she even have to be in conflict with literally any transformer if she has that much power to basically make them her drones. I can see galvatron potentially getting some upgrade from the ship but I still think he needed to have gone off world or met quintessa on cybertron at some point. The ship seems like the most likely scenario as we see lockdowns main vessel in TLK but never this smaller ship again. There’s no way imo he could have completely reformatted himself without the help of his “creator”
@theonlysaj it's a fiat point that perhaps she couldn't although we did see her have mastery over q lot of technology in the limited time she was on screen. Its also quite possible that he marked himself to play along and get what he wanted from her until they destroyed earth and repowered cybertron. In any case Michael Bay after AOE said "Lockdowns ship is what connects all of it and will be very important to the story going forward." You could say that should be dismissed as continuity can be iffy between the films but coming from the directors mouth I think bares some wait. Salvation also clearly had full control by the end of the film mentally so perhaps on the ship he was more easily able to integrate the armor. Just food for thought.
Its funny they add stupid scenes in the movie like the kids breaking into the stadium. Instead of a scene where galvatron goes to quintesa to get a new body
Part of the problem with the Transformers movies was that there wasn't enough Transformers. They threw in so much of the human drama and bs for the comedy aspect and lost out on many plot development points.
@@theonlysajOr was just cheesey writing/could have been summed up or just avoided. They also could have just made those scenes go faster. Every movie it felt like the human bits dragged on for a few, meanwhile in TLK, Optimus had less than 20 minutes (iirc) out of a 3 1/2 hour movie 🙃🙃
@@44Shockwave55 100% agreed. The biggest problem was they didnt grow the transformers as characters, just focusing on the humans. Hopefully further installments will learn from this, although i liked Noah in ROTB but still think we could've gotten less humans
@@theonlysaj - Yeah maybe that one, I just remember it being part of, or inside of, Lockdown's ship. But I thought he was on one of them at the very end and it even shows it in a scene I remember (him being in the back of a ship saying its not over yet). I could be misremembering though.
The question isnt How did galvatron turn back into megatron? The real question is... if optimus left earth first to seek out quintessa, how did galvatron beat him there and arrive back to earth while he was "napping" in space? Did optimus make a detour to hide the SEED? Oh wait opps what SEED thats irrelevant because continuity means nothing to bay
This movie made no damn sense whatsoever, not to mention we find out Unicron is Earth itself, who the fuck wrote this movie and why haven't they been removed from ever writing scripts again
i swear i saw baricade also in dark of the moon with an new gun once they had the autobots being captured (cause the same model of him that was used in TF 2007 got also in that scene, cause he blew up Q/Wheeljack)
So in the beginning there was Primus and Unicron Their names reflect their ideology with Primus wanted the best for all of its “children” while Unicron wanting a a single purpose horde whose singular was to Serve and service it. Quints have the dominating drive of Unicron, but believe life should exists in an ideal balance of what it sees at the five distinct personalities of Ideal intellectual life. Megatron and Optimus wants what is best for Cybertron, but Megatron has little concern for the sacrifices he would have to make, while Optimus is often paralyzed out of fear of sacrifices….. Megatron would have ordered Operation Overlord too soon, Optimus would have dithered too long in committing to the plan. Galvatron is a slave to both Unicron and the Quints , shares their ideals on domination, but falsely believes he can throw off those bonds of slavery without personal sacrifices
I think what happened to galvatron is that he scanned a jet as his new alt mode and decided to go back to cybertron. Once he got back to cybertron, he was surprised of the fact the planet still exists because at the end of dark of the moon, cybertron was destroyed. Then he found Quintessa and attacked her, Quintessa then brainwashed galvatron and told him about her grand plan to destroy unicron. After telling him about the plan, Quintessa then gave galvatron the body of a cybertronian knight and Megatron was Reborn
We don’t get to see a clear range on how far she goes but judging by the fact she’s still on earth tells us she likely couldn’t travel too far or off world. Even tho she had unfinished business with unicron she was vastly weakened and lost her forces so leaving the planet to recover would make more sense than staying weakened in enemy territory but she chooses to do the former
I think a HUGE key point you missed was Megatron's sword. We see Optimus grab his from the Dinobot pod in TF4 as he reformats into Knight Mode. This further supports your theory of Megatron using the Dinobot pod. Quintessa would have restored him to his original Cybertronian form and upon travelling back to Earth he himself would have grabbed a sword and reformed himself into Knight Mode (the key indicator here is that the sword is SEPARATE to Megatron when every one of his normal weapons his body morphs into).
I feel like if they were going for that they would have shown that he could fly in the movie. On top of that, he’s based on the base Optimus, not the version that has the Jetfire upgrades giving him the ability to fly in the later movies
If they ever make another movie, I hope they make Megatron look a little more like his classic version with the arm cannon. They also need to bring back Shia Lebouf and Megan Fox
My only question is Megatron soul quintessa why didn't he just lose his mind with her I saw transformers 1 he saw a Quinta song in cahoots with sentinel prime so I literally don't get why he didn't just try to kill her
The reason why he went from galvatron to megatron is that the writers needed a way to actually beat him. In aoe he displayed how quickly he can burst into shards and reform himself in the blink of an eye the moment bumblebee tried to blast him with rockets when he was focused on chasing Optimus. Then he went on to not only fight on par with prime but show that he's in a sense unkillable considering prime tried to stab him only for galvatron to grind his energon blade to bits in the hole in his chest
Idk cuz we see prime is basically about to kill or seriously take him out right before lockdown shoots him from behind and ksi pulls galvatron out. Although he was indeed invulnerable to the chest and had that quick transformation ability, Optimus still was able to get the upper hand and likely would have easily done so again in the final battle this time with the help of the dinobots. Compare this to Megatron in tf5 who is able to hold off basically all the Autobots solo and even after getting his arm chopped off he pins down Optimus and only loses because instead of continuing the fight he decides to banter with prime, giving Optimus a chance to counter and Knock him out of the fight
The autobots have lockdowns ship. Lockdown has it in the final battle, the autobots take it as their ship after that. We know this is confirmed in the last knight when daytrader gets it for them at the junk yard to allow them to get to the other side of the world for the final battle
True😂 but this is the strongest we’ve seen him next to his juiced up 07 self. He nearly takes Optimus out solo with one arm at the end. Him shedding the Nanotech so fast also has got to do with his disgust for humans and their tech imo
I think it's more plausible that he found some way to communicate with unicron since we know that unicron is the earth, even tho we know he isn't active i feel there's a way to some hidden chamber in the planet somewhere that would lead to a small energon source that is housing his core or something along that line.
I believe the humans that created Galvatron were able to unlock the gnome from actually being controlled un knowingly by Unicron. The Megatron gnomes control were actually Unicron controlling everything. The blocky cube transformation is a call back to Megatron being reformatted into Galvatron in Transformers the movie. Quintessa was also likely serving Unicron un knowingly bringing the dead Cybertron planet there so Unicron had more transformian metal to use to use for himself
Simple answer: Bay didn't want to do gaint rockem sockem robots anymore. He didn't care and wanted Universal to stop offering him ridiculous amounts of money he couldn't turn down.
😡Nothing in Michael Bay movies And the writers. Make any sense, not just transformers all his movies. It doesn't relate to none of the G1 transformer cartoons or anything about the Ninja turtles or anything else that Michael Bay And his writers touch🤦🏿♂️
I used to watch Transformers as a child, I loved the series on tv, the first movie was great and sad, 3rd season of the show and then we had Gen2 which I watched. As I get older the more I really hate the fact that they could have made a banger of the og cartoon by getting rid of fluff and combine season 1 and 2 together, make some fluff to make the og movie even better and then make season 3 something more impressive that could lead to a real season 4 instead of just ending it. They gave half a season for Rod and the entire time he was just a sad sack of crap. Anyway "The Live Action" movies, 1 I was thrilled about and watched it several times, 2 was ok, after that I just couldnt be bothered, they had a chance to you know make something good. But no! unicron is EARTH are you fucking kidding me! Dino bots are pre transformers making it to earth? no thanks Its all in china! puhfuknplease This last month ive been watching the origional trnsformers cartoon on Hasbro Pulse and I cant beleve the amount of real shit in the series that caused me to go buy so many toys that I dont have anymore that could have went to I dont know a college education! Im so glad that in the entirty of my childhood I still have the origional TMNT actually follow the first comics as good as it did.
Lets gooo first
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When I was young, i literally thought that they just forgot about Galvatron (not realizing it was Megatron) and only just realized that watching the Bay films this winter break, it’s crazy how much to learn when watching something when you’re older, Transformers is my childhood franchise, but I see it so much differently now
Yup! Even when grown you can still continue to pick up more details you missed with every rewatch
The feel from these movies is unreplaceable, unique...
I loved being just a kid watching my favourite movies so randomly, without putting them myself as i do now... Keep those feelings close man, try thinking about them to reason and learn something, and, in the end, move on with a smile -.-
They really shouldn’t have gotten rid of the original writer eren
Would have loved to see the original writer put together his complete vision
Aaron*
Airon (it’s a joke btw)
None of the bayverse movies were that good as far as writing goes.
None but the first three were more linear tho
Last knight had so many plot holes, the plot holes had plot holes
Last knight still felt more solid than age of extinction. Having to deal with the stupid leprechaun race car driver in a mommy car was very painful for me.
He probably saw himself in the mirror and got depressed with how ugly Galvatron is, so he went and got extensive mechanical surgery from Mommy Quintessa.
😂😂😂
Why
I have a different theory. I think a lot transpired between aoe and tlk, and I dont find it super plausible that Prime would get lapped to cybertron and back by Megatron. So how did he change? Lockdowns armory. It was already equipped with a lot of knight weaponry that we only saw some of, plus presumably a way to contact the creators, or at least one of them. Megatron after being reformed using the technology on the ship combined with Quintessas powers from afar perhaps even through the ship in some manner he was marked and then the plan commenced preparing for Optimus arrival to cybertron and Quintessas arrival with cybertron.
I like a lot of those ideas! I just can’t get behind the idea that she’d be able to influence him in such a way from across the galaxy. If she is that powerful what reason does she even have to be in conflict with literally any transformer if she has that much power to basically make them her drones. I can see galvatron potentially getting some upgrade from the ship but I still think he needed to have gone off world or met quintessa on cybertron at some point. The ship seems like the most likely scenario as we see lockdowns main vessel in TLK but never this smaller ship again. There’s no way imo he could have completely reformatted himself without the help of his “creator”
@theonlysaj it's a fiat point that perhaps she couldn't although we did see her have mastery over q lot of technology in the limited time she was on screen. Its also quite possible that he marked himself to play along and get what he wanted from her until they destroyed earth and repowered cybertron. In any case Michael Bay after AOE said "Lockdowns ship is what connects all of it and will be very important to the story going forward." You could say that should be dismissed as continuity can be iffy between the films but coming from the directors mouth I think bares some wait. Salvation also clearly had full control by the end of the film mentally so perhaps on the ship he was more easily able to integrate the armor. Just food for thought.
Awesome vid Saj, I may need to follow JS in a transformers rewatch to recage my knowledge....still havent seen TS one yet....soon i hope
Much appreciated Bossman 🙏🏼 waiting to hear your reaction to tfone 😂 I’ll be asking again next masters meeting 😂
I assumed Quintessa literally found Galvatron, and turned him back into Megatron to make him her minion, but it didn't work
This is what we needed
If only we got to see this story unfold 💯
The quote “Megatron is commanded by no one!!!” Is all you need to understand
Prime should not have rushed into outer space like he did.
Its funny they add stupid scenes in the movie like the kids breaking into the stadium. Instead of a scene where galvatron goes to quintesa to get a new body
Yea that whole sequence could’ve been shortened to like 3 mins or cut completely with the entire opening with the TRF drones , bee the kids etc
These movies hit different watching them in 2024. Oh nvm happy new years it’s 12:32am 🎉
Happy new year 🌟
Part of the problem with the Transformers movies was that there wasn't enough Transformers. They threw in so much of the human drama and bs for the comedy aspect and lost out on many plot development points.
Yup. On top of that Too many of the human storylines didn’t feature the transformers
@@theonlysajOr was just cheesey writing/could have been summed up or just avoided. They also could have just made those scenes go faster. Every movie it felt like the human bits dragged on for a few, meanwhile in TLK, Optimus had less than 20 minutes (iirc) out of a 3 1/2 hour movie 🙃🙃
Nope CGI cost money
I wish they didn't wasted so many scenes on humans & gave us some Tranformers backstories & Tranformers's character writing.
@@44Shockwave55 100% agreed. The biggest problem was they didnt grow the transformers as characters, just focusing on the humans. Hopefully further installments will learn from this, although i liked Noah in ROTB but still think we could've gotten less humans
Wait, didn't Galvatron leave earth Lockdown's ship at the end? That is how he got into contact with her, the ship went back to Cybertron.
The knight ship is more likely because the autobots had lockdowns main ship
@@theonlysaj - Yeah maybe that one, I just remember it being part of, or inside of, Lockdown's ship. But I thought he was on one of them at the very end and it even shows it in a scene I remember (him being in the back of a ship saying its not over yet). I could be misremembering though.
Tldr: hasbro wanted to sell more toys
Probably True but where’s the fun in that 😂
The question isnt How did galvatron turn back into megatron? The real question is... if optimus left earth first to seek out quintessa, how did galvatron beat him there and arrive back to earth while he was "napping" in space?
Did optimus make a detour to hide the SEED? Oh wait opps what SEED thats irrelevant because continuity means nothing to bay
This movie made no damn sense whatsoever, not to mention we find out Unicron is Earth itself, who the fuck wrote this movie and why haven't they been removed from ever writing scripts again
i swear i saw baricade also in dark of the moon with an new gun once they had the autobots being captured (cause the same model of him that was used in TF 2007 got also in that scene, cause he blew up Q/Wheeljack)
He was in dark of the moon too. He’s survived the longest on earth solo since 07
@@theonlysaj, yep, i agree on that with everyone who makes bayverse theories
Well Barricade died in dark side of the moon, then was reincarnated lol
He did not die on screen. He gets crippled but his fate is always left up in the air leaving room for his survival
@@theonlysaj baricade was litterly in TF 2007, dark of the moon, and in tlk with an entire new design
Why cant megatron use the nano technology after hos ressurection
The Fallen, clearly was keeping that no good Quintessa at bay. He is the hero that Cybertron deserved.
#thefallenwasright
So in the beginning there was Primus and Unicron
Their names reflect their ideology with Primus wanted the best for all of its “children” while Unicron wanting a a single purpose horde whose singular was to Serve and service it. Quints have the dominating drive of Unicron, but believe life should exists in an ideal balance of what it sees at the five distinct personalities of Ideal intellectual life.
Megatron and Optimus wants what is best for Cybertron, but Megatron has little concern for the sacrifices he would have to make, while Optimus is often paralyzed out of fear of sacrifices….. Megatron would have ordered Operation Overlord too soon, Optimus would have dithered too long in committing to the plan. Galvatron is a slave to both Unicron and the Quints , shares their ideals on domination, but falsely believes he can throw off those bonds of slavery without personal sacrifices
I think what happened to galvatron is that he scanned a jet as his new alt mode and decided to go back to cybertron. Once he got back to cybertron, he was surprised of the fact the planet still exists because at the end of dark of the moon, cybertron was destroyed. Then he found Quintessa and attacked her, Quintessa then brainwashed galvatron and told him about her grand plan to destroy unicron. After telling him about the plan, Quintessa then gave galvatron the body of a cybertronian knight and Megatron was Reborn
That’s highly plausible I like it!
@@theonlysaj thanks
Michael Bay transformer movies are awesome!!!!!!!!!!
Optimus did a stepping side kick
Why can't Galvatron still be around? He could be a clone and one of his followers could've brought back his spark/spare parts without humans knowing?
Would be a cool but they confirmed in the official movie promo it’s the same character years ago
She can teleport as she did immediately after Bumblebee shot her in the ending.
We don’t get to see a clear range on how far she goes but judging by the fact she’s still on earth tells us she likely couldn’t travel too far or off world. Even tho she had unfinished business with unicron she was vastly weakened and lost her forces so leaving the planet to recover would make more sense than staying weakened in enemy territory but she chooses to do the former
Theory checks out. Nice job!
Thank you !
the problem is with this mf called megatron WE SAW THE BODY AND HE STILL WASNT DEAD
Yup
The movie was awesome.
Broo you sound like Cam Capone News 😅
I think a HUGE key point you missed was Megatron's sword. We see Optimus grab his from the Dinobot pod in TF4 as he reformats into Knight Mode. This further supports your theory of Megatron using the Dinobot pod.
Quintessa would have restored him to his original Cybertronian form and upon travelling back to Earth he himself would have grabbed a sword and reformed himself into Knight Mode (the key indicator here is that the sword is SEPARATE to Megatron when every one of his normal weapons his body morphs into).
Great catch
Optimus had jet boots, Galvatron was a twisted version of Optimus so likely he also had jet boots.
I feel like if they were going for that they would have shown that he could fly in the movie. On top of that, he’s based on the base Optimus, not the version that has the Jetfire upgrades giving him the ability to fly in the later movies
My theory is that the writing is shit and there's no real explanation for his reconversion
If they ever make another movie, I hope they make Megatron look a little more like his classic version with the arm cannon. They also need to bring back Shia Lebouf and Megan Fox
I’m in agreement there
Transformium was the stupidest thing to come from bayverse. I hated that stupid pixelating instead of transforming.
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I agree 100% when I first saw this my reaction was
“wow what the hell is this? Tetris?”
you sound like sam from transformers
More of a why than a how kinda answer imo
Megatron is in his Knight form in The Last Night
Yup
Still want to know why Meg goes through so many design changes
Toys toys toys
My only question is Megatron soul quintessa why didn't he just lose his mind with her I saw transformers 1 he saw a Quinta song in cahoots with sentinel prime so I literally don't get why he didn't just try to kill her
optimus did a bit longer in space, since he desided to HIDE the seed, so that might be the reason why he was frozen in space
True but a year is a long time it wouldn’t have taken Optimus more than a few days
Wtf this guy did not answer the question
Galvatron want to cybertron and meat qintessa then she gave him a. New body
Yup
How did galvatron go back to megatron .....
: " Micheal bay "- the end
Basically
People in Bollywood can create what Fantasy they want, even if it doesn’t make Sense!!!
I still like the first figure of Optimus
The first and the best version
Galvatron is eyes yellow and orange when to change to Megatron the mother. Of quintessa
Yes
The reason why he went from galvatron to megatron is that the writers needed a way to actually beat him. In aoe he displayed how quickly he can burst into shards and reform himself in the blink of an eye the moment bumblebee tried to blast him with rockets when he was focused on chasing Optimus. Then he went on to not only fight on par with prime but show that he's in a sense unkillable considering prime tried to stab him only for galvatron to grind his energon blade to bits in the hole in his chest
Idk cuz we see prime is basically about to kill or seriously take him out right before lockdown shoots him from behind and ksi pulls galvatron out. Although he was indeed invulnerable to the chest and had that quick transformation ability, Optimus still was able to get the upper hand and likely would have easily done so again in the final battle this time with the help of the dinobots. Compare this to Megatron in tf5 who is able to hold off basically all the Autobots solo and even after getting his arm chopped off he pins down Optimus and only loses because instead of continuing the fight he decides to banter with prime, giving Optimus a chance to counter and Knock him out of the fight
@@theonlysaj This is why they need Rodimus Prime to Fight him
Galvatron took Lockdown's ship not the damaged ship of the knights.
The autobots have lockdowns ship. Lockdown has it in the final battle, the autobots take it as their ship after that. We know this is confirmed in the last knight when daytrader gets it for them at the junk yard to allow them to get to the other side of the world for the final battle
Gravatron downgrade himself to megatron just get his a$$ beat.
Just imagine if he kept that Nano transforming
True😂 but this is the strongest we’ve seen him next to his juiced up 07 self. He nearly takes Optimus out solo with one arm at the end. Him shedding the Nanotech so fast also has got to do with his disgust for humans and their tech imo
I think it's more plausible that he found some way to communicate with unicron since we know that unicron is the earth, even tho we know he isn't active i feel there's a way to some hidden chamber in the planet somewhere that would lead to a small energon source that is housing his core or something along that line.
WHERES TRANSTHEORYS😔
ksi was in the thick of it and everybody new....
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0:53 dear god is that my boy ironhide? G1 is so ew
Ew? No. G1 characters were perfect when G1 came out just like I think the Bayverse characters are just fine for the time period these movies came out.
Each fits their era
OK, have you ever watched the G1 cartoon
I believe the humans that created Galvatron were able to unlock the gnome from actually being controlled un knowingly by Unicron. The Megatron gnomes control were actually Unicron controlling everything. The blocky cube transformation is a call back to Megatron being reformatted into Galvatron in Transformers the movie. Quintessa was also likely serving Unicron un knowingly bringing the dead Cybertron planet there so Unicron had more transformian metal to use to use for himself
Barricade was is transformers 3
Yup he survived
KSI?😂Jkjkjk
They were really in the thick of it
Thank God they stopped because wow what a shitty series of movies this turned out to be. They should have stopped at dark of the moon
Oddly I really liked Dark of the Moon.
Dark of the moon is easily one of, if not the best movie of the live action movies in the series
Robo Pogostick
B Rush
It was said that it was made with remains of transformium, which would then take place to its original state
Manipulated under the hands of humanity
You should make a video about unicron
Sure like unicron in general or specific to his bayverse role or rise of the beasts?
@ in the bayverse
Okay will do
Simple answer: Bay didn't want to do gaint rockem sockem robots anymore. He didn't care and wanted Universal to stop offering him ridiculous amounts of money he couldn't turn down.
I totally wish when they start making live action movies of Transformers movie's they would have followed the G1 cannon 🤨
Would have been interesting to see that be attempted for sure but I guess we’ll never know
I can’t stand the cube transformations.
Yea I’m glad it was a one-and-done
Bro’s really asking me how a transformer, transformed into something else.
😡Nothing in Michael Bay movies And the writers. Make any sense, not just transformers all his movies. It doesn't relate to none of the G1 transformer cartoons or anything about the Ninja turtles or anything else that Michael Bay And his writers touch🤦🏿♂️
i bet that just makes you sooo mad huh? 🎻🤏 😂
Continuity is indeed not a strength of Michael Bay 😂
I used to watch Transformers as a child, I loved the series on tv, the first movie was great and sad, 3rd season of the show and then we had Gen2 which I watched.
As I get older the more I really hate the fact that they could have made a banger of the og cartoon by getting rid of fluff and combine season 1 and 2 together, make some fluff to make the og movie even better and then make season 3 something more impressive that could lead to a real season 4 instead of just ending it.
They gave half a season for Rod and the entire time he was just a sad sack of crap.
Anyway "The Live Action" movies, 1 I was thrilled about and watched it several times, 2 was ok, after that I just couldnt be bothered, they had a chance to you know make something good.
But no! unicron is EARTH are you fucking kidding me!
Dino bots are pre transformers making it to earth? no thanks
Its all in china! puhfuknplease
This last month ive been watching the origional trnsformers cartoon on Hasbro Pulse and I cant beleve the amount of real shit in the series that caused me to go buy so many toys that I dont have anymore that could have went to I dont know a college education!
Im so glad that in the entirty of my childhood I still have the origional TMNT actually follow the first comics as good as it did.