What they could have done is, have Kade ask Prime who was Sam, because he heard prime say "Sam, run!" And prime would explain to Kade what happened to him, and while that happens, Bee listens in, and covers his head because he lost a friend
In dark of the moon Simmons repeatedly says Sam is a magnet for alien trouble. I find it very likely that he is in cemetery wind custody for the entire movie. They probably captured him hoping the transformers would try to break him out
@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausageI think most straight guys with decent vision would agree. But definitely not something that should come up in a professional work environment.
@@alecrodriguez5811 There is this one theory that TLK was just a campfire story made up by the bots together in hiding at the junkyard. The first few moments (Canopy, Cade in the junkyard, Izabella) happened. The rest of it (Cybertron, London, Stonehenge) did not. Here's what's true: Besides the opening act encounter, the Autobots don't really know much about the TRF. The TRF they created for their story is based on their experience with Cemetery Wind - hence why they're so similar (it's not lazy writing) Nobody knows what happened to Prime. Officially speaking, his actual status is unknown. Is he dead? Alive? Brainwashed into Nemesis Prime? We don't know. Galvatron also vanished and was never sighted since. A comprehensive list of long timers we saw whose actual in-universe statuses are actually left unknown: Simmons Morshower Sam (and Carly) Both Anthony Hopkins' character and Cogman are not real. Bumblebee is super into Star Wars. He inserted those two into the story while basing them on Obi Wan and C3PO, respectively. Neither is Vivian. She's a mix of Carly (as Bumblebee remembered her) and Cade's late wife. Megatron's suicide squad was based on a team of Cons Drift used to work with when he was one: Onslaught is based on a Long Haul drone (remember, Constructicons in the Bayverse are drones) who was like his team's Hound; big and dumb but loveable. Drift actually sees a bit of him in Hound. Nitro Zeus was a real bot, protege to Starscream, who also had a mad admiration for Shockwave. He died on Cybertron. Barricade, who actually died in Chicago, was part of Drift's team before he got sent to Earth to hunt for the AllSpark. They had not seen each other for so long Drift forgot what he looked like, so TLK Barricade was a loose recollection of Barricade from Drift's fuzzy memories. They didn't like each other much anyway. Both Dreadbot and Berserker were based on Crowbar and Crankcase. They were also part of Drift's team. Crankcase was the quiet pair of the two. Berserker is, in some way, a softened up version of Crankcase. Drift knew Crankcase as a horrific monster - a dirty trickster who used every dirty trick in the book against his enemies. The Decepticon jail doesn't actually exist - Crosshairs got the idea for it from watching a bootleg Suicide Squad DVD with Cade and the gang for movie night one night. TLK Megatron is actually a demonized, beefed up version of his most feared form while on Cybertron (his first movie form). More to come.
I swear I never knew Optimus said “Sam Run!” I thought he was grunting and wincing in pain. This video definitely made more sense than my previous thoughts
@@TH3SPRUNGTR8P ok I just watched the scene from this movie on DVD just to confirm he does say sam run but you really have to hear it he angrily screamingly says run you hear something you hear a S and M like he was trying to say the name all you hear is sm run then he grunts and moans from the getting hit with the missile
Here's a sad fact. During Optimus was transforming in Cade's workshop some people heard him calling for Sam's name. Unfortunately that's just not true, It turns out it was just one of Optimus's groans and yells. But i'd like to believe he did say that because Sam was probably the last thing he remember before ending up at Cade's workshop.
Yeah lets choose to believe that, its honestly better than nothing and neatly covers why Optimus is so down and why Sam is never brought up even if it would be nice he'd become a casualty
@@TyreceWilliams-w2z No he didn't. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't even hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Sam sacrifices himself trying to protect his Autobots by the hands of humans. Optimus Prime escaped while in time Optimus Prime may have sent a distress signal to his other fellow autobots to beware of humans. That's how Drift, bee and his other fellow bots survived.
Sam’s in the Bahamas snorkeling during the events of transformers 4. He needed a vacation you know so he told bumblebee to go help Optimus Prime & the other transformers & not mention anything about it. Don’t want anyone ruining his vacation lol
I personally think that sam never did die but is rather still together with carly and in aoe optimus prime’s “sam, run” is most likely him grunting and yelling. But, if Optimus Prime really said that, then that is most likely he has PTSD from the forest battle when he told sam to run. and the behavioral change is to just to put fear in the humans and plus, optimus prime said later on in the movie he would kill who ever killed ratchet along with after they take out KSI they would leave.
Three months late to this, but I agree completely. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
8:00 I think Bumblebee Handed Sam off to a more stealthy Autobot!!! Him and Agent Simmons probably got a small organization in the shadows!! There’s much potential there for it!!
Here’s what happened to him between DOTM & AOE. After the battle of Chicago. He & Carly would eventually get married, with everyone being there, especially those they hadn’t seen in a while like Maggie & Glenn from 2007, Leo from ROTF, especially Mikaela, who is happy for him & Carly. After that, they moved to a small town as a safe location. Just to be safe from any Decepticons, or any remaining human collaborators that want to avenge Dylan’s death. Sam was working as a miner. Carly was working as a teacher. Around when Cemetery Wind started to hunt all Transformers. Sam gets tracked down by them, after Savory & his men got information from what’s left of Dylan’s company & staff, before slaughtering all of them, since they too are responsible for the destruction of Chicago, along with Savory’s sister. Sam was able to get Carly to safety, right after she got pregnant with a daughter named Lori(the girl from Cybertron). He took on Cemetery Wind all by himself, even though he’s not military trained. Showing them what a Messenger could also do. Without help from Bee or Optimus. Sam gets killed by Savory, since he too is responsible for everything that has happened so far. Optimus felt that as a disturbance in the Allspark. Especially Bee, who is traumatized as Optimus is.
Michael bay stopped the comic tie ins cause Amazon accidentally leaked the entire plot of one of the movies days before it was set to release in theaters.
in the original '07 movie, arcee and lennox would have been a duo. this was changed at the last minute, but i like to also imagine lennox getting revenge for her on the decepticons and combiners.
@@kennethsatria6607 ye. i mean she was literally just a moving prop the entire length of revenge of the fallen. we could have got awesome screentime and maybe even a cooler studio series toy than that rickety excuse for a character.
The truth is Shia Labeouf kinda went nuts over some method acting stuff, got into trouble for weird/agressive behaviour and even was detained at some point. That is the reason why he was removed from the TF saga and why Sam character was set aside... Just look it up
@@josephadams3917 You can make up whatever reasoning in your minds for letting go of Sam character from TF Saga, all you want, evidence is evidence in the end. Hollywod has done this multiple times when the lead role actors image become tainted in some way, it's nothing new and, I didn't just pull this off my pocket, I'ts widely known. I brought it up because it's on topic with the video discussion (read the title). This isn't about me, you're just bitching.
@@josephadams3917 Except the movies are about the TF and their connection to the main character portrayed by Shia, the actor. Yeah, whatever man, I don't give a fck, and no one cares about your bitchin...
@josephadams3917 it's no secret that when people mess up in their personal lives it completely effects their ability to get their job back in a role. Disney just now did it to Johnny Depp when the Turd trial was happening. They canned him as the role for Jack Sparrow. So whether you like it or not Michael Bay felt a specific way about Shia and decided NOT to bring him back as Sam and reprise the role entirely.
There is one interaction between Lockdown and Harold Attinger(Cemetary Wind) where the two talk about a certain autobot: Optimus Prime. HA: "So what happened in Mexico City? I thought you had him?" Lockdown: "Three direct hits; mortal wounds. Then your men allowed him to escape. You promised me human intelligence, or is there such a thing?" This scene is overlooked in my opinion. Call it a hunch, but if Sam died he was likely killed in this Mexico City battle because he was with Optimus Prime. Prime gets wounded in an attempt to protect Sam and fails, Sam dies, Optimus sustains critical injuries and escapes into hiding where he is later found by Kade Yeager in AoE.
@owentravis2220 your point was completely valid bro. Alec got mad in a separate comment and for some reason now he’s going around replying to others deliberately stirring things up and leaving meaningless replies to downplay others opinions.
Would be dope but unfortunately they’ve moved on from bayverse it seems completely . Although, with Lorenzo being in charge and the fact that everything they’ve done since 2017 has lost profit we might be in for something crazy with another live action box office flop like rise of the beasts
It would be cool for him to at least finish out his universe. But think for now though just give him like producer credits and you can tell he has his hands on the transformer movies like Future projects
Last comment was long enough . My theory is Shia LaBeouf saw where the Bay-Verse was headed and decided to step down after TF3 hence why they needed to find a replacement
I agree, I think him being who he is as an actor is, done this long enough and had enough. Also I’m sure he had so many different parts to go for, and had done his contractual part and moved on. Plus he might have thought, as you said, time to go before he rips this verse apart completely. I never got why none of the Transformers looked like the cartoons, when it’s probably harder to design them how they are. Shame
In TLK theres a picture of sam with all the other knights of the table who are dead and the dude says "i am the lsst one alive" which gives us the hint that sam joined the table at a point in time and died most likley killed by secretary wind
The question is if Sam is dead, what happened to Mikaela, Carly, Epps and Sam´s parents, because I don´t think Epps would let this slide, and Sam´s parents would be furious, and Carly was his fiance. Killing Sam would piss off a lot of humans and autobots
I wish Mikaela was in all of them but bay fired her after ROTF cuz she pissed him off on set, hence why he moves on to Carly In DOTM. Epps and Lennox would care for him but they could only do so much , and his parents would likely be sent off by Sam himself or placed under government protection.
Fun Fact: it was either for transformers 4 or 5 they were supposed bring back Mikaela but as a Decepticon that killed her jus like they did with that girl alice in transformers 2 but unfortunately they never went through with that plan
@@supreme8300 That would´ve been awesome, not because I hate Mikaela, I absolutely don´t. I would love to see what this rogue military faction did to the humans we used to know in the previous movies. It would´ve made us root for the Autobots even more
Had an idea for tf3 when i was a kid and it involved optimus returning when Sam was an adult with his own kids but Shia didn't look old enough 😂. Miss this franchise ❤
The "sam, run" Absent in all translations and in the official text of the film, it's just your imagination I watched the film in Russian, there are not even these sounds
I always wondered what happened to Shia Labeouf and why he wasn't in the rest of the movies. I had no idea they killed him off with no explanation. I my opinion he should have stayed in the rest of the movies.
Small detail to add, Optimus ejects a spent casing, which adds more to the idea of him being attacked or ambushed, this plus his words heavily indicates that they were attacked and Sam died, Optimus was fatally wounded and chose to enter stasis/stealth mode right before sending his “we are being hunted message” and similarly to sentinels revival they both immediately reacted with panic and hostility to all party’s, as the last thing they remember is being under an assault. Optimus most likely awoke and believed cemetery wind had found his hiding place….Food for thought 💭
WAITTTT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. Remember when cemetery wind was interrogating Cade and cade said “him” so they immediately did what they did. It seems like they acted this way before and the only human that wouldn’t sell out Optimus for sure is Sam. If they were even suspicious about it because of his former involvement with the autobots he would be a target as well. Hate to say but best guess is he probably died like ratchet never selling out except to a bullet from that guy in cemetery wind. Or they literally assassinated him because the same guy I think shot sam(the main agent) took a lot of what happened in Chicago personally and it makes alot of sense that Sam’s involvement got out for the 1st time after Chicago because that would complete his character arc, as a man that everyone knew saved the world and mattered, Then gets killed for it because obviously cemetery wind didnt think the autobots did any good any even blamed them for his sister dying. Therefore he’d blame Sam to.
I think Sam was killed by that Savoy guy who does all the dirty work for the bearded cia/fbi guy, and with the way prime was freaking out he obviously was there and probably witnessed Sam being attacked. And prime seeing another human killing Sam is what changed his views on the human-race, as if Sam's death traumatized prime.
Prime example (pun intended) of mondegreen, a mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase in a way that gives it a new meaning, during the 80's we had this thing called "The Satanic Panic" where people where claiming that a bunch of songs when played backward had satanic messages. Stairway to Heaven is probably the most famous. When the song was played with subtitles parents could clearly heard the "message", when played without subtitles for another group they heard only gibberish, many comments below confirm that it's just a sound effect. Our brains are hardwired to piece together things we don't understand, It's the power of persuasion, like when people see a "face" when looking at the front of a car.
So apparently Shia LeBeouf left the franchise feeling the stories weren’t grounded enough. Which I would say yes, thought that being understood. Some sort of ceremonial something or would have been a nice send off. Though Prime being Prime, telling Sam to run knowing he probably wouldn’t make it. While never really discussing what happened is very Optimus.
I could see them off screening Sam. That would have to mean they off screened the rest of Nest too though. So either all of Nest went inti hiding and Sam is in cahoots with them, or they were all systematically offed so there wouldn't be any humans with positive connections to the Autobots to stand up to this crap.
Alec they literally were about to shoot Cades daughter in the head and showed no care about damaging surroundings or other people in Hong Kong. I think it’s safe to say an illegal black ops murder team is okay with killing humans , especially when they partner with a bounty hunter who does as well
I assumed that the Witwickeys were Witwiccan descendants, in the Last Knight they mention that Hopkins character is the last surviving Witwiccan…. So I’m just confused with the live actions. I’ll just stick to G1 lol.
Sam is the greatest human to Prime in this verse: Sam fought for, bled, touched,and held the All-Spark like a dragon egg on a mythic quest. Sam is the reason that Earth (and therefore humans) were declared a beacon of hope and New Home for the Autobots. Sam is the mere human that defeated Megatron. That said, Sam is MIA and (although a tragic loss) can easily return. In terms of humans, he's a Prime. Go figure. 😂
There is another take you can have on this is that Sam Witwicky got married to Carly and they were going to have kids to be safe. They walked away from the transformer life or the transformers walked away from them so they would be safe with their children. Or also Sam may have known they were going to be or we’re being hunted and they would use him so he told them to stay as far away from them as possible, so he couldn’t help them capture any autobox as they would probably be surveilling Sam to see if any auto bots would be coming to him.
This show's that Sam was attacked, and the last memory in Prime's head was protecting sam. We are not told that he died, but for all we know, he can be 'detained', since he is so close to autobots or smthing. But the absence of Sam, and bumblebee's rolling without him, means 3 things, 1 - Sam is dead. 2 - Sam is hidden as the ONLY TRUE FRIEND of the AUTOBOTS. 3 - Detained or captured by human factions. 4 - He is somehow transported to unicron to help revitilize him, since he now posseses some knowlage from the Allsparks shard, and was approved by the ancient primes to hide the matrix or some other shiz.
There is a whole story that could happen between T3 and T4 that could be a movie. Think Empire Strikes Back where the good guys lose and it fills the gap.
Not necessarily. Members of his family in the past. Selective individuals who kept it a secret and it became lost knowledge by the time it got to Sam and his parents after what happened with his grandfather and megatron. The government took over from there
Not to discredit this headcannon but isn’t the “Sam run!” line reused dialogue from the forest fight scene in revenge of the fallen? (I haven’t watched these movies in forever)
Noo sam run Is actually him grunting It was debunked by anither UA-camr I hate how they killed Sam's character off screen and didnt even give him a proper tribute. The last knight did a very poor thing in telling that Sam is dead. I only watched age of extinction and Last knight for transformers ( like literal robots) not for the lore it has created in the first three movies.
All they needed to say was.He got a family he didn't want to be involved in it anymore.And before the transformers knew it , he went into hiding and didn't tell the where he was going for the safety of his family.
I was curious to see if that was actually a dialogue or just grunts and checked the spanish dub, they're just grunts, something like that happened in CoD Zombies as well where the zombies were grunting and it sounded like "SAM!" therefore the CoD Zombies was born with Samantha Maxis as a main character
ive watched that movie yesterday and now seeing your vid the following day (today) and went back to that part in the movie and if you listen closely he did say Sam run!
Honestly it mkea since and i watched AOE 100s of times and never realized prime calling to Sam and posobly the death of Sam caused prime to send out that signal to go into hiding, because there R.O.D ( ride or die) Ally died🤔🤯
People say that Sam died, and some says he didn't. I feel that AOE and TLK, is where Sam is hidden, since he has more knowledge than Cade thanks to the cube. My theory: He's still alive and is hidden
Damn. great catch! I didn't notice that either. I doubt very many did at all. I thought he was just grunting and groaning through all that cause he was so badly hurt. As far as Sam goes? Considering why he was written out? He's probably dead.
according to a new video /teaser dealing with a sequel set after transformers rise of the beasts between GI Joe and Transformers not sure if this is rumor or not but sam along his female counterpart are working within gi joe and reuniting with the surviving autobots being bumblebee and optimus prime supposed to be released 2nd to 4th quarter of 2025-2026
If theyre the same universe then where is the Matrix Of Leadership?! 4:03 is it possible “Sam, RUN…!!!” Is from Transformers 2, Battle In The Woods/Forest (Prime vs what …3 or 5 Deceptions?!). Given the pitch, bass and context and ALL of that different the timing of “Sam” and then “Run” is about the same imo.
They did it that way to leave it open. Because the actor that played Sam didn't want to do the movies anymore. This way they wrote him off but left it open if he came back.
Sam is MIA more than likely. Probably with his new girlfriend or wife. They left it open to interpretation. Shia said in an interview that he didn't see any reason to continue his storyline as Sam and the whole Megan Fox thing calling the director Hitler didn't go very well either. So they had to adapt to a new script with new cast leads. But it would be cool to see Sam in future as he did bring the story together in some aspects.
Damn,now looking back at this,these hypothetical/real events of Sam's death before TF4 really made Bee the biggest crashout in the movie,like Prime had to(so it seems)literally give it his all to hold him back
I don't think that Sam went with the autobots to mexico.Optimus prime wouldn't risk sam's life becomes prime knows its a great gamble if they were ambushed and sam dies.I like to think that sam went back to Washington DC with Carly and the US government pardoned him.Another thing that i would like to keep in mind is that sam went to Cuba to create a transformer refugee camp because in the last knight,many autobots were roaming Cuba and the reason for this is because Cuba is a safe Haven for transformers
That and shilolabuf has stated he got into drugs and he went down hill during that time, obviously they can’t cast him in the movies during that, and he’s also stated he was done with acting because of what it did to him.
Most likely explanation: Sam is alive. The storyline just went in a different direction, and they probably saw no need to keep the character. Real world possibility: Shia might have had prior obligations that prevented him from reprising the role, so Sam was probably written out as a result. It's been years since I followed the movie storyline, so I couldn't say either way. The video is probably right.
This is why I don't show much mercy when dealing with an enemy and also why I don't make the mistake of ever truly trusting another person. Optimus and the other Autobots learned that lesson the hard way. Cemetary wind also got lucky the ones that get taken out get taken out very quickly. I would not have given any of them such mercy.
I dont quite buy that Optimus is saying Sams name there. I always figured that Sam, Carly, even Mikaela were all taken prisoner by the government, but your point about Bumblebee makes sense to me. Like, even with Optimus there to try and hold him back, weve seen how impulsive Bee can get. I find it doubtful that if Sam were alive somewhere and being held prisoner, Bee wouldnt actively be doing everything he could to bust Sam out
My headcanon is that Sam was hunted by Cemetary Wind, and spent time in prison because of his connections to the Autobots. After he was released from prison, Lockdown hunted Sam to get information on the location of the remaining Autobots, Sam didn’t tell him their location and was killed for this. It’s just a theory but it makes sense in my perspective.
In the older movies sam very often talks about wanting a normal life and to do normal things so mabey when the autobots get a big enough peace break or go into hiding it lets sam have his time to do the things he was wanting to do
Though I'd rather say that Sam Written to hiding the 4 events of age extinction. Unfortunately, my personal head cannon has Sam living the best life. But now that this truth has now been shown to me. I will forever be not the same. Because it makes sense if you think about it. Sam Going with the auto bot because think about it. Where did dark the moon Leave us It left the story open, ended. Sure. It made you think that Sam had finally reached this happily ever after? But let's be real here. Bumblebee would have been with Sam because let's just say that there's best pals in the movies until dark the moon because during dark of the moon. Bumblebee Was on his Black Ops missions. Which drove a wedge between him and Sam by the end of the movie, they're back together again. Sure, Sam has Carly. He gets to reunite with his girlfriend. But think about it. It makes sense that during age of extinction that he would be afraid of losing bumblebee, because, in that point in time autobots, Transformers were being hunted to extinction by the goverprint and by lock down. And maybe Carly decided to just say I'm done. And? Sam chose the robots over Carly. Which led down to an altercation between well The anti autobot Take down force. And maybe Sam died by yet a human's hand just think about it. Optimus prime. Is it trusting humans at the end of the bayverse It's because he knows something That we don't know. Sam's death. But to be honest, I think that dark the moon has 2 alternating timelines. One where Sam lives and 1 where Sam dies. And the bayverse ends. In the Sam's dead timelime. But yeah, Optimus knows because he saw Sam before he died. Tried to save him but ended up getting hurt by lockdown. Unable to save samhe booked it out of there And Went into to hiding. Which then Cade Yeager Found optimus and then fix them. This really hurts my childhood but Sam whitwicky. Is dead. At the end of one timeline, the actual timeline that matters. At least to Michael Bay. RIP Sam. You will be missed by the fans.
I'm glad that Sam Witwicky was alive in Transformers Shadows Rising, an arcade game set place after third movie but ignores some events of fourth movie. Meaning in these timeline, Sam Witwicky officially becomes husband of Carly Spencer whilst blessed many children. The reason why I said Sam Witwicky was alive in these timeline, simply because Cementary Wind didn't exist in these timeline. While Lockdown did exist in these timeline, but his role was simply becoming elite guardian for KSI workers, which tragically killed by Megatron off-screen.
I definitely that post TF dark of the moon off screen sam was prolly a target for cemetery wind for like you said he's been around optimus prime and was thier closest ally so yeah they woulda been hunting him down and unfortunately they catch him he tries to leave optimus fights them off so he cpuld escape but it doesn't work out and right then and there he gets shot and killed to which optimus in both rage and sadness kills the cmetery wind forces but quickly retreats outta there and going into hiding
I actually had no idea that Optimus Prime in the fourth movie said that about Sam telling him to run while turning into a robot from a truck again. This video is the first time I’m hearing that, and the fact that he says that really makes it seem like Sam is dead, and I really hope that’s not true, even though the likely case is that he is officially dead despite how much that hurts and pulls at the heartstrings. Sam was such a great character for the humans. It’s kind of depressing that he’s gone, although I still have my fingers crossed and hope that he was on the run but was somehow still alive. Now that the Autobots are back to being good guys again, or the humans view them as good guys again, part of me hopes that Sam is not hiding anymore and that he will be shown again. 😭😂
I believe someone was told in thr last movie they were the last witwicki. Because of the bad blood between Michael Bay and shia, and the fact it doesn't seem possible for shia to get his career back, in my headcannon Sam sacrificed himself and died so that Optimus could escape. It must have been N.E.S.T. based on Optimus's wake up.
What they could have done is, have Kade ask Prime who was Sam, because he heard prime say "Sam, run!" And prime would explain to Kade what happened to him, and while that happens, Bee listens in, and covers his head because he lost a friend
Yup even a small scene like this would go a long way
He never said „sam run“. Its just random grunting
@@Alexius01 just a theory
@@The_East_Charleston_Railway A FILM THEORY!!
@@megalucario4208 haha very funny lol
Personally, I feel Sam survived & changed his name to Spike, grew facial hair & lived in hiding.
Would be a cool ending for him
And had a baby named Daniel
Already!! That is correct!!
In dark of the moon Simmons repeatedly says Sam is a magnet for alien trouble. I find it very likely that he is in cemetery wind custody for the entire movie. They probably captured him hoping the transformers would try to break him out
@rodrigovillegas2263well hope Sam is back
Horrible decision to get rid of Shia and Megan in these movies. They had so much more heart with those two.
Agreed.
Megan said one of the directors was attracted to her.
Idk just heard
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@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausage oh lol. I mean I can see it.
It’s still a shame though. She was great.
megan was very difficult to work with and Shia was unlucky because Sam's actor said he completed the arc of the role and he wouldn't perform anymore
@@eggsbaconcheeseandsausageI think most straight guys with decent vision would agree. But definitely not something that should come up in a professional work environment.
Honestly, I am under the headcanon that AOE and TLK take place in a alternate timeline, where Sam died during the events of the Battle of Chicago
Would be a cool “what if” transformers story
I am also think of that
I see it as first movies when prime left he was converted by Unicron and was scourge in rise of the beast and was sent back in different time line
@@alecrodriguez5811 There is this one theory that TLK was just a campfire story made up by the bots together in hiding at the junkyard. The first few moments (Canopy, Cade in the junkyard, Izabella) happened. The rest of it (Cybertron, London, Stonehenge) did not.
Here's what's true:
Besides the opening act encounter, the Autobots don't really know much about the TRF. The TRF they created for their story is based on their experience with Cemetery Wind - hence why they're so similar (it's not lazy writing)
Nobody knows what happened to Prime. Officially speaking, his actual status is unknown. Is he dead? Alive? Brainwashed into Nemesis Prime? We don't know. Galvatron also vanished and was never sighted since. A comprehensive list of long timers we saw whose actual in-universe statuses are actually left unknown:
Simmons
Morshower
Sam (and Carly)
Both Anthony Hopkins' character and Cogman are not real. Bumblebee is super into Star Wars. He inserted those two into the story while basing them on Obi Wan and C3PO, respectively.
Neither is Vivian. She's a mix of Carly (as Bumblebee remembered her) and Cade's late wife.
Megatron's suicide squad was based on a team of Cons Drift used to work with when he was one:
Onslaught is based on a Long Haul drone (remember, Constructicons in the Bayverse are drones) who was like his team's Hound; big and dumb but loveable. Drift actually sees a bit of him in Hound.
Nitro Zeus was a real bot, protege to Starscream, who also had a mad admiration for Shockwave. He died on Cybertron.
Barricade, who actually died in Chicago, was part of Drift's team before he got sent to Earth to hunt for the AllSpark. They had not seen each other for so long Drift forgot what he looked like, so TLK Barricade was a loose recollection of Barricade from Drift's fuzzy memories. They didn't like each other much anyway.
Both Dreadbot and Berserker were based on Crowbar and Crankcase. They were also part of Drift's team. Crankcase was the quiet pair of the two. Berserker is, in some way, a softened up version of Crankcase. Drift knew Crankcase as a horrific monster - a dirty trickster who used every dirty trick in the book against his enemies.
The Decepticon jail doesn't actually exist - Crosshairs got the idea for it from watching a bootleg Suicide Squad DVD with Cade and the gang for movie night one night.
TLK Megatron is actually a demonized, beefed up version of his most feared form while on Cybertron (his first movie form).
More to come.
@@alecrodriguez5811 I know. It's just this one hilarious fan theory I came across on the TFW2005, although it's more of a headcanon.
Fun fact: a screenwriter of the film ROTB (who worked on the 4&5) revealed that Sam Witwicky is alive during the last two films but somewhere
YIPPI!!!!
WE WANT OUR HOMEBOY SAM BACK INTO THE FILM
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Source: I made it tf up
Just like we dont want British spider-man # 2 and we Tobey instead
@@ericsalas5650 actually I like all spidermans
But I favours peter
I swear I never knew Optimus said “Sam Run!” I thought he was grunting and wincing in pain. This video definitely made more sense than my previous thoughts
Bc he didn't say it. It's just grunting
@@spacequack5470 thought so
He said it in part 2 where Optimus died so he played it back here to catch us
@@TH3SPRUNGTR8P ok I just watched the scene from this movie on DVD just to confirm he does say sam run but you really have to hear it he angrily screamingly says run you hear something you hear a S and M like he was trying to say the name all you hear is sm run then he grunts and moans from the getting hit with the missile
Here's a sad fact. During Optimus was transforming in Cade's workshop some people heard him calling for Sam's name. Unfortunately that's just not true, It turns out it was just one of Optimus's groans and yells. But i'd like to believe he did say that because Sam was probably the last thing he remember before ending up at Cade's workshop.
Yeah lets choose to believe that, its honestly better than nothing and neatly covers why Optimus is so down and why Sam is never brought up even if it would be nice he'd become a casualty
Oh,GOSH
I just went back to that part in the movie and it turns out to be true he did say sam run!
He literally says sam run ur dumb asf
@@TyreceWilliams-w2z No he didn't. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't even hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Sam sacrifices himself trying to protect his Autobots by the hands of humans. Optimus Prime escaped while in time Optimus Prime may have sent a distress signal to his other fellow autobots to beware of humans. That's how Drift, bee and his other fellow bots survived.
He may be dead... But he will be remembered in the Cybertronian Hall of Fames
Sam is hiding in Japan, and is enrolled in a secret school learning ninjutsu.
Hope we see Sam again
@@varuunbadree perhaps he’s a top secret member of the G.I. Joe!! 🤷🏾♂️
They probably did give him a new Alias for him to live in peace
@@bradcalhoun8976 Codename: NoNoNooo!
"long before time had a name"
Sam’s in the Bahamas snorkeling during the events of transformers 4. He needed a vacation you know so he told bumblebee to go help Optimus Prime & the other transformers & not mention anything about it. Don’t want anyone ruining his vacation lol
I agree, God bless
Since his college time didn’t do good
I personally think that sam never did die but is rather still together with carly and in aoe optimus prime’s “sam, run” is most likely him grunting and yelling. But, if Optimus Prime really said that, then that is most likely he has PTSD from the forest battle when he told sam to run. and the behavioral change is to just to put fear in the humans and plus, optimus prime said later on in the movie he would kill who ever killed ratchet along with after they take out KSI they would leave.
Three months late to this, but I agree completely. In the movie, the subtitles literally just say "groaning" during that scene. If he was really meant to have said "Sam, Run", I feel like the subtitles would've reflected that. Plus to go further, you don't hear the consonants being enunciated. Only the vowels.
Lol KSI😂😂
8:00 I think Bumblebee Handed Sam off to a more stealthy Autobot!!! Him and Agent Simmons probably got a small organization in the shadows!! There’s much potential there for it!!
He's wot g.i.joe
Here’s what happened to him between DOTM & AOE. After the battle of Chicago. He & Carly would eventually get married, with everyone being there, especially those they hadn’t seen in a while like Maggie & Glenn from 2007, Leo from ROTF, especially Mikaela, who is happy for him & Carly. After that, they moved to a small town as a safe location. Just to be safe from any Decepticons, or any remaining human collaborators that want to avenge Dylan’s death. Sam was working as a miner. Carly was working as a teacher. Around when Cemetery Wind started to hunt all Transformers. Sam gets tracked down by them, after Savory & his men got information from what’s left of Dylan’s company & staff, before slaughtering all of them, since they too are responsible for the destruction of Chicago, along with Savory’s sister. Sam was able to get Carly to safety, right after she got pregnant with a daughter named Lori(the girl from Cybertron). He took on Cemetery Wind all by himself, even though he’s not military trained. Showing them what a Messenger could also do. Without help from Bee or Optimus. Sam gets killed by Savory, since he too is responsible for everything that has happened so far. Optimus felt that as a disturbance in the Allspark. Especially Bee, who is traumatized as Optimus is.
I wished there was a comic on the Battle Of Mexico City to tie into AOE especially on Cemetary Wind as well.
100%. Especially since we got so many comic/book tie in’s for the first 3
Yeah I mean I have a bumblebee movie tie in comic so they could've done that
Michael bay stopped the comic tie ins cause Amazon accidentally leaked the entire plot of one of the movies days before it was set to release in theaters.
Fr. A fire fight in Mexico is always a good camp fire story
I could imagine Bumblebee find out that Sam Witwicky died
That would’ve been a sad but great scene to see on screen if bee wasn’t there himself to react to it
in the original '07 movie, arcee and lennox would have been a duo. this was changed at the last minute, but i like to also imagine lennox getting revenge for her on the decepticons and combiners.
@@leaderoftheautobots1985 Ah man, what we got was making her a fodder character too, it would've been cool to see a sort of platonic partnership thing
@@kennethsatria6607 ye. i mean she was literally just a moving prop the entire length of revenge of the fallen. we could have got awesome screentime and maybe even a cooler studio series toy than that rickety excuse for a character.
Sam was bumblebee friend 😊
The truth is Shia Labeouf kinda went nuts over some method acting stuff, got into trouble for weird/agressive behaviour and even was detained at some point. That is the reason why he was removed from the TF saga and why Sam character was set aside... Just look it up
I don't.
See where that is any of your business.
Or why you had to bring that up? It's a movie, don't bring up his personal life.
@@josephadams3917 You can make up whatever reasoning in your minds for letting go of Sam character from TF Saga, all you want, evidence is evidence in the end. Hollywod has done this multiple times when the lead role actors image become tainted in some way, it's nothing new and, I didn't just pull this off my pocket, I'ts widely known. I brought it up because it's on topic with the video discussion (read the title). This isn't about me, you're just bitching.
@@darkmatterisgrey You can do if you want, but there's no need to bring his personal life into any conversation to do with a character in a movie
@@josephadams3917 Except the movies are about the TF and their connection to the main character portrayed by Shia, the actor. Yeah, whatever man, I don't give a fck, and no one cares about your bitchin...
@josephadams3917 it's no secret that when people mess up in their personal lives it completely effects their ability to get their job back in a role. Disney just now did it to Johnny Depp when the Turd trial was happening. They canned him as the role for Jack Sparrow. So whether you like it or not Michael Bay felt a specific way about Shia and decided NOT to bring him back as Sam and reprise the role entirely.
There is one interaction between Lockdown and Harold Attinger(Cemetary Wind) where the two talk about a certain autobot: Optimus Prime. HA: "So what happened in Mexico City? I thought you had him?" Lockdown: "Three direct hits; mortal wounds. Then your men allowed him to escape. You promised me human intelligence, or is there such a thing?" This scene is overlooked in my opinion. Call it a hunch, but if Sam died he was likely killed in this Mexico City battle because he was with Optimus Prime. Prime gets wounded in an attempt to protect Sam and fails, Sam dies, Optimus sustains critical injuries and escapes into hiding where he is later found by Kade Yeager in AoE.
@alecrodriguez5811 I wasn't sure if it was or not. Sorry if it seemed I was assuming it was. Thank you for clarifying that it isn't
@owentravis2220 your point was completely valid bro. Alec got mad in a separate comment and for some reason now he’s going around replying to others deliberately stirring things up and leaving meaningless replies to downplay others opinions.
@theonlysaj cool. Thanks man!
This would make total sense actually
In short Michael bay needs to give us insight as well as finish his universe up
Probably not gonna happen
Would be dope but unfortunately they’ve moved on from bayverse it seems completely . Although, with Lorenzo being in charge and the fact that everything they’ve done since 2017 has lost profit we might be in for something crazy with another live action box office flop like rise of the beasts
It would be cool for him to at least finish out his universe. But think for now though just give him like producer credits and you can tell he has his hands on the transformer movies like Future projects
Probably because they blacklisted Sam from the movie industry
Good video, bro! Nice thoughts.
Last comment was long enough . My theory is Shia LaBeouf saw where the Bay-Verse was headed and decided to step down after TF3 hence why they needed to find a replacement
I agree, I think him being who he is as an actor is, done this long enough and had enough.
Also I’m sure he had so many different parts to go for, and had done his contractual part and moved on.
Plus he might have thought, as you said, time to go before he rips this verse apart completely.
I never got why none of the Transformers looked like the cartoons, when it’s probably harder to design them how they are. Shame
He didn’t step down he got into some trouble after the last film he was in, don’t assume jus look into it
You are actually not that far off. He said that Sam's story was over. The last movie did not allow for character growth so he was done.
Truly underrated video 😢
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I heard he went crazy and would only answer to Creeper but that might just be a theory.
“No Sam Run” is clearly Uncle Sam
In TLK theres a picture of sam with all the other knights of the table who are dead and the dude says "i am the lsst one alive" which gives us the hint that sam joined the table at a point in time and died most likley killed by secretary wind
The question is if Sam is dead, what happened to Mikaela, Carly, Epps and Sam´s parents, because I don´t think Epps would let this slide, and Sam´s parents would be furious, and Carly was his fiance. Killing Sam would piss off a lot of humans and autobots
I wish Mikaela was in all of them but bay fired her after ROTF cuz she pissed him off on set, hence why he moves on to Carly In DOTM. Epps and Lennox would care for him but they could only do so much , and his parents would likely be sent off by Sam himself or placed under government protection.
Fun Fact: it was either for transformers 4 or 5 they were supposed bring back Mikaela but as a Decepticon that killed her jus like they did with that girl alice in transformers 2 but unfortunately they never went through with that plan
@@supreme8300 That would´ve been awesome, not because I hate Mikaela, I absolutely don´t. I would love to see what this rogue military faction did to the humans we used to know in the previous movies. It would´ve made us root for the Autobots even more
Had an idea for tf3 when i was a kid and it involved optimus returning when Sam was an adult with his own kids but Shia didn't look old enough 😂. Miss this franchise ❤
The "sam, run" Absent in all translations and in the official text of the film, it's just your imagination
I watched the film in Russian, there are not even these sounds
That "No Sam run" was from transformers 2 when optimus was killed from the back.
Yep!!!!
No it wasn’t
I always wondered what happened to Shia Labeouf and why he wasn't in the rest of the movies. I had no idea they killed him off with no explanation. I my opinion he should have stayed in the rest of the movies.
The dark souls gameplay in the background made me think that there should be a transformers dark souls like game.
Man I’d take any new transformers game above the level of a mobile game 😂
Small detail to add, Optimus ejects a spent casing, which adds more to the idea of him being attacked or ambushed, this plus his words heavily indicates that they were attacked and Sam died, Optimus was fatally wounded and chose to enter stasis/stealth mode right before sending his “we are being hunted message” and similarly to sentinels revival they both immediately reacted with panic and hostility to all party’s, as the last thing they remember is being under an assault. Optimus most likely awoke and believed cemetery wind had found his hiding place….Food for thought 💭
WAITTTT I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT. Remember when cemetery wind was interrogating Cade and cade said “him” so they immediately did what they did. It seems like they acted this way before and the only human that wouldn’t sell out Optimus for sure is Sam. If they were even suspicious about it because of his former involvement with the autobots he would be a target as well. Hate to say but best guess is he probably died like ratchet never selling out except to a bullet from that guy in cemetery wind.
Or they literally assassinated him because the same guy I think shot sam(the main agent) took a lot of what happened in Chicago personally and it makes alot of sense that Sam’s involvement got out for the 1st time after Chicago because that would complete his character arc, as a man that everyone knew saved the world and mattered, Then gets killed for it because obviously cemetery wind didnt think the autobots did any good any even blamed them for his sister dying. Therefore he’d blame Sam to.
I think Sam was killed by that Savoy guy who does all the dirty work for the bearded cia/fbi guy, and with the way prime was freaking out he obviously was there and probably witnessed Sam being attacked. And prime seeing another human killing Sam is what changed his views on the human-race, as if Sam's death traumatized prime.
Prime example (pun intended) of mondegreen, a mishearing or misinterpretation of a phrase in a way that gives it a new meaning, during the 80's we had this thing called "The Satanic Panic" where people where claiming that a bunch of songs when played backward had satanic messages. Stairway to Heaven is probably the most famous. When the song was played with subtitles parents could clearly heard the "message", when played without subtitles for another group they heard only gibberish, many comments below confirm that it's just a sound effect. Our brains are hardwired to piece together things we don't understand, It's the power of persuasion, like when people see a "face" when looking at the front of a car.
It was cool video didn't know I was gonna see stuff from a game that wasn't transformers related lol
Love the video man. but I can’t get over the fact that this gameplay was so out of place for this video. 🤣🤣
So apparently Shia LeBeouf left the franchise feeling the stories weren’t grounded enough. Which I would say yes, thought that being understood. Some sort of ceremonial something or would have been a nice send off. Though Prime being Prime, telling Sam to run knowing he probably wouldn’t make it. While never really discussing what happened is very Optimus.
I could see them off screening Sam. That would have to mean they off screened the rest of Nest too though. So either all of Nest went inti hiding and Sam is in cahoots with them, or they were all systematically offed so there wouldn't be any humans with positive connections to the Autobots to stand up to this crap.
Alec they literally were about to shoot Cades daughter in the head and showed no care about damaging surroundings or other people in Hong Kong. I think it’s safe to say an illegal black ops murder team is okay with killing humans , especially when they partner with a bounty hunter who does as well
Best was disbanded and reorganized we learn in TF5
Realistically, they probably faked his death because sam just wanted out of it
This.
I assumed that the Witwickeys were Witwiccan descendants, in the Last Knight they mention that Hopkins character is the last surviving Witwiccan…. So I’m just confused with the live actions. I’ll just stick to G1 lol.
Sam is the greatest human to Prime in this verse:
Sam fought for, bled, touched,and held the All-Spark like a dragon egg on a mythic quest.
Sam is the reason that Earth (and therefore humans) were declared a beacon of hope and New Home for the Autobots.
Sam is the mere human that defeated Megatron.
That said, Sam is MIA and (although a tragic loss) can easily return. In terms of humans, he's a Prime. Go figure. 😂
There is another take you can have on this is that Sam Witwicky got married to Carly and they were going to have kids to be safe. They walked away from the transformer life or the transformers walked away from them so they would be safe with their children. Or also Sam may have known they were going to be or we’re being hunted and they would use him so he told them to stay as far away from them as possible, so he couldn’t help them capture any autobox as they would probably be surveilling Sam to see if any auto bots would be coming to him.
I like they left up to where Sam could easily come back or be passed away
This show's that Sam was attacked, and the last memory in Prime's head was protecting sam. We are not told that he died, but for all we know, he can be 'detained', since he is so close to autobots or smthing. But the absence of Sam, and bumblebee's rolling without him, means 3 things, 1 - Sam is dead. 2 - Sam is hidden as the ONLY TRUE FRIEND of the AUTOBOTS. 3 - Detained or captured by human factions. 4 - He is somehow transported to unicron to help revitilize him, since he now posseses some knowlage from the Allsparks shard, and was approved by the ancient primes to hide the matrix or some other shiz.
There is a whole story that could happen between T3 and T4 that could be a movie. Think Empire Strikes Back where the good guys lose and it fills the gap.
1:37 so sams family knew the aliens aka Cybertronians were real
Not necessarily. Members of his family in the past. Selective individuals who kept it a secret and it became lost knowledge by the time it got to Sam and his parents after what happened with his grandfather and megatron. The government took over from there
Not to discredit this headcannon but isn’t the “Sam run!” line reused dialogue from the forest fight scene in revenge of the fallen? (I haven’t watched these movies in forever)
Sam is in hiding with the Witness protection program ,that’s how the tv show even Steven’s makes sense 🤣
Noo sam run
Is actually him grunting
It was debunked by anither UA-camr
I hate how they killed Sam's character off screen and didnt even give him a proper tribute.
The last knight did a very poor thing in telling that Sam is dead.
I only watched age of extinction and Last knight for transformers ( like literal robots) not for the lore it has created in the first three movies.
Great vid new sub 👍🏾
It would be dope if Cade meets Sam
All they needed to say was.He got a family he didn't want to be involved in it anymore.And before the transformers knew it , he went into hiding and didn't tell the where he was going for the safety of his family.
_Didn't y'all know, Sam left for the "He will not divide us." movement._
I was curious to see if that was actually a dialogue or just grunts and checked the spanish dub, they're just grunts, something like that happened in CoD Zombies as well where the zombies were grunting and it sounded like "SAM!" therefore the CoD Zombies was born with Samantha Maxis as a main character
ive watched that movie yesterday and now seeing your vid the following day (today) and went back to that part in the movie and if you listen closely he did say Sam run!
no he could have Been repeating "Sam run" from part 2 when Optimus got killed he told Sam to run
Honestly it mkea since and i watched AOE 100s of times and never realized prime calling to Sam and posobly the death of Sam caused prime to send out that signal to go into hiding, because there R.O.D ( ride or die) Ally died🤔🤯
Fantastic explanation.
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People say that Sam died, and some says he didn't. I feel that AOE and TLK, is where Sam is hidden, since he has more knowledge than Cade thanks to the cube. My theory: He's still alive and is hidden
Or maybe he was critically injured, maybe by narrowly avoiding Lockdown's gun and was in a coma, making it seem like he died in Optimus' eyes.
I am still doubtful of Sam's demise. He is out there somewhere.
Damn. great catch! I didn't notice that either. I doubt very many did at all. I thought he was just grunting and groaning through all that cause he was so badly hurt. As far as Sam goes? Considering why he was written out? He's probably dead.
Wrong
What cover of Heart of Courage is playing in the background?
according to a new video /teaser dealing with a sequel set after transformers rise of the beasts between GI Joe and Transformers not sure if this is rumor or not but sam along his female counterpart are working within gi joe and reuniting with the surviving autobots being bumblebee and optimus prime supposed to be released 2nd to 4th quarter of 2025-2026
Lockdown/ cemetery wind is the best explanation
Great video but nah Sam and Carly got away with Dino
Hopefully 😂
He was the character who earned leadership of matrix....... That scene was awesome
Someone just needs to ask shia what he thinks im sure hes thought about it atleast once.
If theyre the same universe then where is the Matrix Of Leadership?!
4:03 is it possible “Sam, RUN…!!!” Is from Transformers 2, Battle In The Woods/Forest (Prime vs what …3 or 5 Deceptions?!).
Given the pitch, bass and context and ALL of that different the timing of “Sam” and then “Run” is about the same imo.
They did it that way to leave it open. Because the actor that played Sam didn't want to do the movies anymore. This way they wrote him off but left it open if he came back.
He died during a battle with sting. they killed off sam because shilabuff didnt want to play sam anymore.
I was literaly just thinking about how he wasnt in the fourth and fifth movie
Sam is MIA more than likely. Probably with his new girlfriend or wife. They left it open to interpretation. Shia said in an interview that he didn't see any reason to continue his storyline as Sam and the whole Megan Fox thing calling the director Hitler didn't go very well either. So they had to adapt to a new script with new cast leads. But it would be cool to see Sam in future as he did bring the story together in some aspects.
Damn,now looking back at this,these hypothetical/real events of Sam's death before TF4 really made Bee the biggest crashout in the movie,like Prime had to(so it seems)literally give it his all to hold him back
I don't think that Sam went with the autobots to mexico.Optimus prime wouldn't risk sam's life becomes prime knows its a great gamble if they were ambushed and sam dies.I like to think that sam went back to Washington DC with Carly and the US government pardoned him.Another thing that i would like to keep in mind is that sam went to Cuba to create a transformer refugee camp because in the last knight,many autobots were roaming Cuba and the reason for this is because Cuba is a safe Haven for transformers
bring him back with mark and shia in the same movie…. it would be soooo fuckin cool
After Sam got kick out sadly but be nice see flash back showing what happend in flash back killing Sam be crazy to see
So many people here hearing what they want to hear. Prime is just grunting guys. Chill out
sam and carly went into hiding after the ending of 3
Sam died there was a charcter that said they were the last of the witwiccan line. Alao optimus isnt saying sam run. >
That and shilolabuf has stated he got into drugs and he went down hill during that time, obviously they can’t cast him in the movies during that, and he’s also stated he was done with acting because of what it did to him.
I’m sure Sam would’ve been hunted down by cemetery wind as they would know that he would be a target as he was helping the autobots
The “guy with the beard” is Kelsey Grammar. Cheers? No? beast from Xmen? No?
Yup name was just out of my mind 😂
Most likely explanation: Sam is alive. The storyline just went in a different direction, and they probably saw no need to keep the character.
Real world possibility: Shia might have had prior obligations that prevented him from reprising the role, so Sam was probably written out as a result.
It's been years since I followed the movie storyline, so I couldn't say either way. The video is probably right.
You do know that he did that same exact same thing In Transformers 2 right it could just be a flashback
This is why I don't show much mercy when dealing with an enemy and also why I don't make the mistake of ever truly trusting another person. Optimus and the other Autobots learned that lesson the hard way. Cemetary wind also got lucky the ones that get taken out get taken out very quickly. I would not have given any of them such mercy.
You sound like an ignorant 12 year old who hasn't grasped simple concepts yet
Mercy is the difference between a hero and a villain.
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@@lightborn9071 No its nothing but a weakness. Showing mercy to a clear enemy is what will eventually get you killed. Lincoln can attest to that fact.
I dont quite buy that Optimus is saying Sams name there. I always figured that Sam, Carly, even Mikaela were all taken prisoner by the government, but your point about Bumblebee makes sense to me. Like, even with Optimus there to try and hold him back, weve seen how impulsive Bee can get. I find it doubtful that if Sam were alive somewhere and being held prisoner, Bee wouldnt actively be doing everything he could to bust Sam out
Jet fire was on earth before the first movie aswell, that's 1, but the primes that hid the matrix were there even longer, now 2.
My headcanon is that Sam was hunted by Cemetary Wind, and spent time in prison because of his connections to the Autobots. After he was released from prison, Lockdown hunted Sam to get information on the location of the remaining Autobots, Sam didn’t tell him their location and was killed for this. It’s just a theory but it makes sense in my perspective.
In the older movies sam very often talks about wanting a normal life and to do normal things so mabey when the autobots get a big enough peace break or go into hiding it lets sam have his time to do the things he was wanting to do
Though I'd rather say that Sam Written to hiding the 4 events of age extinction. Unfortunately, my personal head cannon has Sam living the best life. But now that this truth has now been shown to me. I will forever be not the same.
Because it makes sense if you think about it. Sam Going with the auto bot because think about it. Where did dark the moon Leave us It left the story open, ended. Sure. It made you think that Sam had finally reached this happily ever after? But let's be real here. Bumblebee would have been with Sam because let's just say that there's best pals in the movies until dark the moon because during dark of the moon. Bumblebee Was on his Black Ops missions. Which drove a wedge between him and Sam by the end of the movie, they're back together again. Sure, Sam has Carly. He gets to reunite with his girlfriend. But think about it. It makes sense that during age of extinction that he would be afraid of losing bumblebee, because, in that point in time autobots, Transformers were being hunted to extinction by the goverprint and by lock down. And maybe Carly decided to just say I'm done. And?
Sam chose the robots over Carly. Which led down to an altercation between well The anti autobot Take down force. And maybe Sam died by yet a human's hand just think about it. Optimus prime. Is it trusting humans at the end of the bayverse It's because he knows something That we don't know. Sam's death. But to be honest, I think that dark the moon has 2 alternating timelines. One where Sam lives and 1 where Sam dies. And the bayverse ends. In the Sam's dead timelime.
But yeah, Optimus knows because he saw Sam before he died. Tried to save him but ended up getting hurt by lockdown. Unable to save samhe booked it out of there And Went into to hiding. Which then Cade Yeager Found optimus and then fix them. This really hurts my childhood but Sam whitwicky. Is dead. At the end of one timeline, the actual timeline that matters. At least to Michael Bay. RIP Sam. You will be missed by the fans.
I believe he is in hiding and the Autobots are staying away for his protection.
I think the best transformers movies, are with Sam and his storyline.
I'm glad that Sam Witwicky was alive in Transformers Shadows Rising, an arcade game set place after third movie but ignores some events of fourth movie. Meaning in these timeline, Sam Witwicky officially becomes husband of Carly Spencer whilst blessed many children.
The reason why I said Sam Witwicky was alive in these timeline, simply because Cementary Wind didn't exist in these timeline. While Lockdown did exist in these timeline, but his role was simply becoming elite guardian for KSI workers, which tragically killed by Megatron off-screen.
octomus once told sam to run in the second movie so octomus could be refering to that
I figured if the actor that played him went nuts, so did Sam, and he was residing in the looney bin.
I definitely that post TF dark of the moon off screen sam was prolly a target for cemetery wind for like you said he's been around optimus prime and was thier closest ally so yeah they woulda been hunting him down and unfortunately they catch him he tries to leave optimus fights them off so he cpuld escape but it doesn't work out and right then and there he gets shot and killed to which optimus in both rage and sadness kills the cmetery wind forces but quickly retreats outta there and going into hiding
I actually had no idea that Optimus Prime in the fourth movie said that about Sam telling him to run while turning into a robot from a truck again. This video is the first time I’m hearing that, and the fact that he says that really makes it seem like Sam is dead, and I really hope that’s not true, even though the likely case is that he is officially dead despite how much that hurts and pulls at the heartstrings. Sam was such a great character for the humans. It’s kind of depressing that he’s gone, although I still have my fingers crossed and hope that he was on the run but was somehow still alive. Now that the Autobots are back to being good guys again, or the humans view them as good guys again, part of me hopes that Sam is not hiding anymore and that he will be shown again. 😭😂
I always thought that Sam would die in the end anyway
The backstory of the Bay TF films has been, all over the place to say the least, with a whole bunch of "but before this happened, this happened"
I believe someone was told in thr last movie they were the last witwicki. Because of the bad blood between Michael Bay and shia, and the fact it doesn't seem possible for shia to get his career back, in my headcannon Sam sacrificed himself and died so that Optimus could escape. It must have been N.E.S.T. based on Optimus's wake up.