PSO2 Global - My Episode 6 First and Last Class Tier List
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I love Tier lists and seeing peoples opinions on classes!
Indeed it's quite refreshing. Two of my favourite classes were in S tier while the other 2 were in A with the last one in B. Overall I'm feeling good.
U should make one aswell blac. I would love to see urs
I'd love to see yours IMO
You’ve really helped me with my classes I’d love to see you make a tier list
Super helpful. Thank you! Just subscribed!
I feel like the Bouncer skill tree is due for a revamp because for example that old crafted weapons boost is completely useless now since no one uses crafted weapons anymore,it was relevant back when red weapons were so popular at one point on the JP server,that was back during the level 75 cap era and they were supposed to be on par with much rarer weapons at the time. Now the game is in a much different state.
fyi TA act as crafted unit.
I think real bouncer problem is they don't give us better version of Plenzer like JT have S5 to put in end game weapons (Lib, Cras)
and you need to put more effort to do the same damage as everyone like Krono said you need to swap element, swap between break and element stance and you need a fk ton of weapons to play optimal in every situation.
I main bouncer/phantom and played a side of phantom (all its weapons), and etoile and I can agree with his views on bouncer. Bouncer's heavy investment and along with a skill tree that forces users to literally play with both SB (DB), and JB together in order to optimize damage output. Its not just because crafted weapon skill is useless; it's more of the issue that bouncers need to heavy invest into alot of weapons in order for it to work. Jet boots investment is slightly worse, but you are pretty much required to run serpent penzer (and because you have tech access, you need to tech rotate to change your boot element and charge gear) and churn out "Rider Kick" to do damage since the rest of JB PAs are not doing enough damage for bossing anyways. Then, you have SBs. I don't have the meseta to invest in, but oh god do you want to have at least two or three elements of SBs to make it efficient to proc elemental stance. Break stance is a joke at this point (mind you, it also CUTS your damage output because you have to attack a breakable part to make it work and cuts off elemental stance). SB also has significant i-frame issues where alot of your moves have very short i-frames to take advantage of, often relying your weapon-action tech cancel to lob homing blades at bosses for safe dodges and damage. BOs also have issue is: How do you get the damage IN? JBs: on bigger bosses yeah sure its easy, then you take divide quest into account and you'll realize how BOs weakness come to play. Mitra is okay, but that shield/chair is sure annoying, keking your SB homing (its homing pretty much aims at the chair shield), and if you misposition on JB, you can potentially do little damage trying to land rider kick. Varuna: hands down annoying; in 1v1 scenario its barely manageable due to how much range and teleports he carries making you a chasing game or if you got aggro, stand still and hope you dodged correctly and found the window to land your kicks. SBs do little damage to him (im at 5.5k attack with rivale, due to not having dark, my homings do only 7-8k which is paltry damage), trying to land a BnB SB is way too slow and you're open to taking a hit if you miss. Shiva is no sell; fast, has a counter, hits like a truck. JBs need to find openings to land damage, which hurts them because in limited timer DPS checks, they can barely land damage if the boss is aggressive/aggro'd and constantly turns into a cat-mouse chase. SBs have notorious i-frame issues and to land those BnB combos is made worse that you can't chase well and most PAs have little i-frames outside of its startup.
@@NeoArmstrong. i know, but it only adds a slight bulk for what it does sadge. And yes, why did we get thundering blades on S5, and whereas JBs merely get a elemental stance boost (which makes zero sense).
@@SeraphimSystem JB's damage atk arent from its skills, its from their normal atks (except vinto/jetsweep kick)
Its normal atk is triple damage than its skills. Use JB skills to chase or reposition, then normal atk/vinto
Treat your skills as normal atk and vice versa when using boots
@@naomenimi6317 Normal attacks with couple of vintos does not output enough damage vs the scion classes or the Original classes (excluding hunter). late game bosses (especially solo), are fast, compared to the bosses pre 6. bouncer dodging has zero interaction with dodge (reset timer on two buffs that are inherently less effective now with phantom sub). bosses tend to dash around the field, which means you have to i-frame then chase them. however, they're already attacking again, which means you have to play dodge (normal attack) to at least make chasing less relevant. trying to land your vinto (your **ONLY** best PA for DPS) is relatively nightmare. Plus all thee active/cooldowns you have to recast which costs valuable seconds in a speed run. Yea you have the "best" attack multiplier compared to other classes, but the fact you're either chasing, dodging, or doing a rotation when other classes have better interactions puts bouncer in a bad state later game. Contant DPS is not enough for late game as you want to hit hard and maintain that DPS (scion classes). You get off so little even with optimized bouncer play. This is also compounded the only kras weapon bouncer has is Soaring blades ( without PBF, its garbage, forcing you to play bo/lust which is at best a gimmick to showcase what potential the class could've had if it wasn't so gated on actives/cooldowns). JB bo lack of a kras penzer like potential killed it hard and the above issues. You also need very good Crafted Techs To keep up, and they're very PP cost and you need the **BEST** crafts or you're going to run out of PP for your rotations.
It's very interesting to know your thoughts about these classes. I hope other pso2 streamers make their own class tier list. 👍👍
Thank you for this tier listz i think a lot of new players need to see this.
My go the thumbnail is pure Gold!
Yay! C class baby! 🏆
I should point this out cause not everyone knows, but step attack canceling with Etoile can hit double the dps than any other class on most Emergancy quests. Its also almost impossible to even get hit as Etoile when you replace your normal attack with your wand weapon action. Not saying its broken, but its easily still S tier.
Is there a hood video guide to etoile 😮
awesome video man u came up on the side here and i remembered ur name from twitch,
it was a little long but its all good guna listen to it all in a little bit
and stop being lazy when it comes to learning pso2 stuff
Etoile is definitely perfect for an ape brain person who sucks at dodging like me. Easy to learn easy to use, super tanky, the dps is slow but the tankiness allows you to be more aggressive. And dealing millions of dmg with surefire connect feels so satisfying.
Main reason I play et. 💆♂️
super fun class
If it wasn’t for surefire connect, wand/SB stylish moves, and the ability to perfect block at anytime, I’m not too sure I would enjoy the class as much
I can't stand it, it feels very slow
@@LunaCorart Its good if your lazy and wanna sleep on killing your opponent
Etoile is my fav class. One of the best things is blocking/parrying during PAs. I hate getting hit during other class PA animations. Because of tankiness, no knock back and blocking I feel I am able to dish out more dps. Most other classes requires me to heal more often or I get knocked so dps drops.
@TenseDart Heck, if you don't take Damage Balancer, you can turn into a reliable healytank
You know the mmo phrase, you can't do dps if you are dead...
Phantom and étoile have you covered
Can't die if you can't get hit
You can't die if you murder your opponent first. kekw
I agree katana Ph is very much a meme, but it's still pretty fun with an atlas or Cras with all the s abilities that helps you spam the hard hitting PAs. Lifesteal is a must but I have escalating pursuit on mine which really helps it.
I agree with your hero placement but for different reasons. Matchups where you don't counter as much aren't so bad because talis has insane burst DPS and mobility. When enemies are down, or just not very aggressive the talis makes up for the lack of counters. The thing that I do think holds hero back is the mechanic where they lose power if they take too much damage. You can restore it by doing a regular hero counter, or hero time, or a hero refresh, but it's kind of a pain to lose a good bit of output along with the other obvious negatives of getting hit in general.
this is awesome !!!
I can't really argue with this. I started as JB Bouncer and it is super comfy but it isn't damage efficient, Hero my current main is well rounded. I hated it at first because at the time I lived and died on I-Frames but with practice it's great... Luster seems to have potential but we'll see. I think the key is speed. Each improved on the gameplay speed of the last.
As a fighter main from before the buff till now, this is very accurate lmao. I think i might even place it lower than you.
it deals tons of damage but its severely gimped by its own mechanics mostly LimitBreak sure, but mostly i think the problem is how the weapon works being a bit "too specified"? For certain conditions i think, and it needs to get really close for most of the weap to work especially knux,
for ds i think its fine mostly? Mobility might be a bit wonky since it needs to be charged.
Dagger for me is well rounded except you gotta do some intro pa's for it to work first
I love the content here but also wondering if you would humor the idea of a weapon & class tier list. For example, I personally like playing katana phantom solo but it is kinda memed on so it could be cool to see how the solo weapons work comparitively
Now I am actually more interested in knowing which classes have a higher skill cap with this tier list as a foundation.
I love being support in any game that exists, I only love playing techter and honestly the only one I have fun with, Etoile 2nd ONLY because like you said it's stylish for no good reason.....and lukot
*cries in Bo/Hu* One of these days, I'll get my W key unstuck to play other subs.
All of these are solid points, and can't really argue. I've been sleeping on Su, just because pet classes aren't my thing, but maybe I'll have to try it out.
Honestly I love bouncer low tier but with the right class amazing for me the game variety is awesome every one isn't just one class very mixed which is awesome
The mad man actually did it
When you talked about summoner I felt that so much. I just started today and got to level 38 on my summoner, don't think i died at all, my one pet does so much damage bosses just get melted, and got like 3 of em all like level 30+
Wait until you Evolve your Wanda into a Jinga with my 14 Star Jinga i can solo tier5 UQ like nothing but it get boring
the one thing that summoner brings to the table is that you are impossoble to die and can act as the team saftynet in harder stuff where you know your teammares die a lot
also the place where sum really shines is the original deus esca and dragon fight where there are death restrictions it is a common sight to see tons of sum in the uq where you don't know what your teammates gonna be like
Thats not valuable bro. Having an unkillable tank to "ensure revivals" means your group is ass, either statistically or skillwise.
@@LeoxSevered or you are fighting primordial phase 3 with the fuck you beam
Me: I swear if I see my class in C tier
*Sees the class I play at a deserved tier*
Me: you goddamn right 😂
Summoner also brings to the table successful mbvr runs lol! Insane mobbing potential and easily hit mobs across the map.
As etoile player myself i think etoile shine in group content, ability to heal hp and pp of all players it's great.
The dps is slow, but your job is don't die anyway so you can throw moon atomizer when another player dies.
Wand damage sure great but its only have horizontal pa and awkward air to ground pa.
I use soaring blade because you can attack any time from any position and mobile when doing that.
Lock on and chase normal attack makes you stick to the boss all the time and the satisfication when do 999,999 or 1 mil damage from full connect is hnngg ow yeah nice.
Double saber is great against phaleg.
Luster is amalgamation of all scion class, the aggressiveness, speed, raw power and flexibility is amazing. Strongest class for sure.
Move along im just here to push the algorithm
it works ! it gotten to my recommendations
I'd love to see these classes be tweaked again especially bouncer and summoner. Although I am not sure if there will be any more content tweaks to vanilla pso2.
Yeah, I really would love to see a bouncer revamp, because jet boots are so sick and so are soaring blades.
I don't think Summoner needs a revamp at all. They have pets for any situation and high survivability with a massive amount of damage output and they even function as a support with the amount of times you have to use Shifta, Deband and Resta for Pet Symphony.
@@CountDusk you are not wrong..I guess I'd just like to see something new 🤣
@@himechan1211
You had it right.
Both need significant help to be more balanced or valued.
At least bouncers don't get insulted for existing and people somewhat understand it.
As a rifle phantom main. I very much agree with this tier list. Also the fact out of all the scion classes it takes the least amount of brain cells to do
meanwhile jp summoner murdering phaleg while the chracter is taking selfies
my transition from terraria summoner to pso2 was smooth as silk. loving the game so far, holy shit.
I like the rendran more... But most of them prefer the one that can be a grenade
@@miraqen7801 thereks a rainbow sword skin there that looks like the terraprisma, ain’t a summoner weapon nor a summon tho
Yay! Phantom is S-Tier!!! 😍
And yeah.... do agree...
Krono this thumbnail makes hero look like they have all drip and clout
A true hero is way to concerned thinking they are just so cool
@@KronoKatastrophy I....I main only hero...and like all my money goes to cosmetics
Luster forever #1! Gunblades will RULE
lol agreed!
Literally number 1 lol
Been a while since I've touched PSO2 (before Etoile or Hero was released) but Luster looks like there's a ton of fun to be had. Would anyone have any recommendations on subclasses or does it really matter after you've unlocked the class?
Luster doesn't have subclass, he can only be a sub class
Luster and Phantom are *DEFINITELY* my two best classes. My second favourites are Hero, Bouncer, Braver, Techter (Wand), Force, Fighter (Double Saber), Ranger and Gunner. Etoile is a fun class but since the *only* way to heal is via *Mates* it turned me off. I may not be able to use heal techs on Luster but due to S-Augments I don't have to worry about that. Not to mention one of it's passives pulls a Megiverse once my HP reaches below 70%. I get that Etoile is a tank class but that 1 HP gain from any outside heals that are not Mates is a total Bummer for me. Because of that, it's actually my least favourite class. Summoner is actually my third favourite since I love magical creatures. And whilst I've played similiar classes in other mmorpgs, with this being more action-based, I find myself more wanting to be in on the action rather than just staying in the side lines hahaha.
Two things: Gespenst, not Jespenst. And Wired Lance guard stance is incredibly easy because WL PAs have guard frames.
Te/Su here.
Yea, this feels...mostly accurate. I capped every class to 95 before the update. Te still is/was/will be my bread and butter. I enjoy support, but I enjoy also having a giant pile of options and gameplay in front of me. Compound techs. Decent Tech Casting. Great buffs. When in doubt wand smack. I just hate point assist, but its the cross I bare for using Su, and the exchange I get for the extra bulk
So here's some additional, unsolicited thoughts.
Bouncer feels scattered, but at least the Jet-Boots rotation is tight, and you can feel what the game is telling you to do with the combat. I never fully got the feel for dual blades, it always felt like this would be the more fun (for me) way to play, but jet boots is a clear path. A lot of work for not the same pay off.
Braver still feels like the most /complete/ experience with the "base" classes. The full package. Good dps, good mobility. Good PA's. Just...good. It does feel like the beginner class, but still good enough for everyone. If the game had a better long term tutorial, It feels like this is the starter class and then people learn to specialize away from it? Not sure, but maybe.
Every time its time to play gunner, I am filled with dread and its just, get these bonus keys done, I don't like this class. It isn't fun, and I never feel like I do the same amount of damage.
I love-hate fighter. I love hate it so much.
I love dual saber and fists. I hate twin daggers. I love the PA's. I hate the skill tree. Man.... Just. Mood. Its hard to really place it, other than the living on the bleeding edge to do the same dps as everyone else.
I wish phantom had more subclass skills. It feels so weird to just have a skill tree that's, basically done at level 35. Kay. there you go. Everything else is in base stats and the like...8 skills you maxed. Its power without purpose? It feels shallow. At least Etoille as a subclass, has a lot of meaning in what you now do. Focus on combo rotations, etc.
Summoner has been autopilot, take this as a generic sub, use point assist, if you have the an class wand its a good back up "weapon"... try to focus on using weapons that have enemy weakness, if not just stick with light, you'll fight enough falz so you get an extra5% … eh, good enough.
I honestly feel like Summoner Sub has spoiled me into bad habits ...that I honestly don't mind that much? But still should just.. 'git gud'.
Part 2 because I felt like rambling more...
Ranger is in a bad place, because it has tons of cool abilities that you'd love to somehow have on your bar too, but your never gunna take them. The ammo types and traps are super neat, but it feels like the wrong implementation for the game. So it just becomes a vestigial trap that clutters up your sub pallets, or are completely ignored for the sake of playing optimally. At least Rifle and Launcher are fun.
Force just is a caster. Makes me feel like some spells just aint worth it, but then again, there are pa's that arn't worth it. Good class, shame it can't sub for anything.
I wish I liked Hero, I just don't.
Still kind of surprised there isn't a Ranged/Tech Class like how Bouncer is Melle/Tech.
Seems like a loss for bullet bow. Like what would be an Arcane Archer, Charge a tech, then fire the arrow to deliver it from arrow origin like a talis?
Biggest Gripe/Complaint...
I wish Sub Pallets worked like weapon pallets. Its super clunky to switch to a different sub pallet even in the same book. This is mostly because I play caster'esc classes and I just want more room.
@@TheFiretiger If you play on pc and have a numerical keypad whichever book your on the 3 sub palates will be bound to numbers 7, 8 and 9 making to easy to change between them.
Yeah.
I switch between mouse board and game pad quite a bit.
It's a big hand movement from mouse, to numb keys, and then back.
If you could just see the back side with a shift it would be better. You can't switch to a different sub palette while you're already doing an action so it's kind of a stop make sure you're not in the middle of casting something move switch do action etc
Techter is S Tier tho.
I mean Krono even said it himself:" Its one of the supports you always want no matter what." However it is not "one of" but "the one" Support you want. This isnt even a contest Techter is the strongest Support by far in the game. Summoner and Forces are just fill ins nothing more. And a class that has no equal belongs in S Tier by default. Yes it is very limited as a Sub class and needs alot of setup to deal high dmg but who plays support to deal dmg ?
For me Techter is S Tier because as said before there is no contestant against it.
True but as a teacher main it pains me trying to run solo with them
What do you mean by fast enemies getting past rangers? They have range so the enemies don't have to be next to you. Unless I'm missing something. Rangers can attack things constantly and can destroy mobs before some classes can get close enough to even do anything. Even though their damage isn't as high or fast, they have more time to deal damage, being that they can out-range sooo many things.
Most likely mean weakpoints, some boss or enemy move or switch side so quickly that you will practically have to run to the other side just to hit the weakpoint again.
While its hardly a problem for basic melee class due to having gap closer and tech class due to skill like grant.
Its a problem for slower class like ranger
You literally don't have to. Why do you think manual aim exists in this game? That's the whole point of being Ranger. Their range is immense and as beard stated they can legitimately wipe spawns out before other classes can reach them. Even in high difficulty content. So it's essentially more about memorizing and being able to predict AI movements so you're able to hit the sweet spots (obviously that applies to other classes as well). But then again Ranger has the big range advantage. And even without hitting the weakspots they still deal a good amount of damage regardless.
That's a bit out of context but I sure agree with that. If we talk about utilities they're missing then yeah Ranger sure is slow on that part.
But that's literally the only type of content for that demerit on global server. There is obviously more and it leads me to the question: Have you ever played Ranger?
Because hearing the reasonings give me the vibe that it lacks experience but maybe it's just me.
You do realize what you're talking about right...
I simply responded to your example "risk exploration" and you took it out of context, again.
Never did I mention any other UH content. Unless you mix it all up into one pot.
2014 huh, gives me an even better image about you.
@Neocereus I mean I get what you mean. Playing on controller sure is rough unless you have a super elite controller with extra buttons lol. At least Ranger has a ring for weak bullet normal aim lock on. But sure lock on and target switch is a pain to manage especially with alot things going on.
That aside, my argument was rather about being able to hit certain spots without having to go close to the enemies.
Not saying it's impossible with controller but props to those people who can.
LUSTER TIME BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I prefer Rod Phantom over Fo/Te
As a Techer main, I really don't like encountering Fighters and Etoilets. Overload, which reduces a Fighters HP to 25% and Etoile's skill not being healed outside of Atomizers ruins it for me.
I really tried to like get into playing the gunner and ranger, but I did not like them much at all, Ranger just feels way too much stationary for my playstyle, and Gunner oddly just felt rather slow-paced, TMG weapons just play and do so much better with the hero class instead.
Was this made before it was posted? I ask because he said Luster isn't out in global yet even though it has been out for 2 days on release of this video. Not an important point, just something to point out.
He even said that it was out on JP for a while, so he used the JP version.
@@ZeldadragonBlade I think it was just recorded prior to it coming to global to be honest since that just makes sense but, he also could have just forgot somehow.
I think knowledge is more important than class tier. If your rating is low, you won't be disappointed. Also, sub hunter is used only fighter now. I'm JP player. I'm sorry if my English isn't well to understand.(´・ω:;.:...
As a RA player ..... I knew that .... We are weird :p
The only combination i dont agree its Fo/Et that combination its bad because doesnt have a way to recover PP faster like techer or phantom as subclasses.
I know there is a ring for that but its not enougth
Is this video a little late? Since Luster's been out on global for a few days and Im honestly rather confused by the wording there
Slightly latish but not by long.
Im guessing it was recorded before the luster patch
The issue with techer is that it can't output the same damage as other classes because of sesega insisting that its balanced because it speeds up group content. Until TeLu's release, techer was the weakest personal dps class, as a lot of its match up depended on which elemental weakness you were fighting.
how is te/lu for solo play? sounds like luster fixed its personal dps deficit
@@drask1988 Quite good actually. I've been playing TeLu since it got released in NA and I don't want to change. I miss TePh's QOL with the faster casting, because I still cast, but I'm satisfied with how the gunslash performs. I'm quite happy with it honestly, but I don't have numbers to compare with so you'll have to take it that TeLu gunslash feels good and somewhat impactful, even if you have to affix mel instead of tec
I'll take DS Etoile's mobility over DS Fighter's higher damage any day.
I wish they called it staff. Lol
Wand étoile go brrrrr
Luster will be soon on global? How many millennia ago did you record this video? xD
was like the week before it came out
says Luster is not out when it is out on Global ?
video was recorded the week before it came out
I need to express few think in regard Br katana especially the issuee that i had experienced.
1, PP usage is a serious issue, where to dish out damage consistently you might want to spam Sakura End type 0 (i forgot the global name) wich cost 25ish PP per use with +0pp craft. You can do rotation with Sakura > other quick low cost PA > basic attack 3. But lets be honest its better to just spam Sakura End0 while waitting for chance to parry.
2, is Parry. As Br/Ph wich is the most optimal way to maximize counter potential imo, kinda work like blessing and a curse at the same time. Blessing as in the amount of damage dishes out is ridiculously high, and the curse is that its kinda janky, needs pin point pixel accuracy sometimes, and the barely sufficient i-frame.
3, the last issue i had is no lethal damage protection skill and somewhat jank movement that result in ridiculous and hilarious death if you happend to be on worse possible place at worse possible time. Also i looking at you Snacth Step wich imo probably the main reason how jank it felt when dashing wich lets be honest you gonna do alot to position your katana slashes especially to a constantly moving and small weak points.
Bonus : Also you will have hard time dealing with enemy that fly or float alot (im looking at you soddam)
As a fellow katana braver main (though I main both that and gunner), I have to add that thanks to the counter mechanic, we are exceptionally good for being at the worst possible place at the worst possible time. Contrary to what logic would state, we actually make an effort to be there.
Happy to see Techer in the A tier. Love to keep the team alive while dealing damage lol
Your work is appreciated. Well done!
i didnt know weak bullet was nerfed :(
Techter main here.
Curious what makes luster a good subclass to use with Techter?
Been running tech/bouncer for a bit and loving it.
Boots for quick cast of shifta/zanverse/deband on command while still hitting enemies. As well as elemental stance which complements the wand.
Soaring Blades when the photon blade skill is off cool down is handy in doing consistent damage. Once the skill goes on cool down, it's back to boots for buffs/zanverse or wand for techs.
basically lu gives te a better secondary weapon with gs with its subclass gs boost which is around 180% i think.
and with voltage allowing you to autocast shifta & deband on yourself every 100 volts, you dont have to worry about recasting them again if you dont have skydance. im sure there is more benefits but those are the ones i noticed when trying the combination
@@thecloudcool
I see good info.
Does that mean as a subclass the Luster's fighting style is accessable to Techter or am I stuck using the basic GS mechanic and photon arts?
@@godknightomega no you are stuck to old style but it has been buffed a few patches ago so that it has guard point on some on its good pa's and sideswiper having full invul after connecting the first slash
@@godknightomega also i forgot about deband disorder which allows you to apply statuses to enemies more easily for some bosses
@@thecloudcool
Also great to know thank you!
Think I'll stick with my Techter/Bouncer build then.
Maybe I'll branch out later but gunblade wasn't my cup of tea.
Etoile is the only class i hit 103m points in endless. Tried luster and phantom but they take skills to master so i just braindead play my etoile. Its also the only class i can hit 10m+ dmg on rockbear test.
And to be fair that is the one piece of content that Etoile's strengths can be leveraged over every other class and alot of why it was pushed up to what it was on my list. The guys who got capped points on endless where Etoile iirc or atleast sub Etoile.
I wouldnt take rockbear tests more serious then just a test of how much you can put out during a down phase.
i just want to know, why you think summoner is so strong, where are you getting this information?
Summoners are somehow even more unkillable then hunter/etoile
@@aghitsaplane4262 and hunter/etoile is immortal with mid/top tier damage..
The only class i think should change is Katana Braver because it is really reliant on perfect guard and your damage is lackluster if you don't perfect guard also katana is really soft on the flip side Bow Braver is really strong but also sit in the same boat as Ranger sins a great sub for Bow Braver is Ranger
eh, the perfect guards aren't terrible to perform though, in comparison to other action based games, its on the easier side to land the perfect guard. Dark Souls for instance has a way harder parry timing.
@@Tommyvang187 Well not if you have to perfect guard against 30 mobs
@@Snow-Ista yeah but bro not even in ultra will you be swarmed by 30 mobs at once, at most its like 8 with 4 of them actually attacking, which is manageable.
@@Tommyvang187 Have you ever hade a PSE Burst?
or Done a UQ
I dont understand the love for phantom they feel like i have to put in twice the work to match damage on some other classes.
Phantom requires you to understand the class properly and once you know and have practiced the mechanics in actually combat via trial and error, that's when the class becomes truly fun to play. I honestly love the way the Rifle plays as you can dish out so much damage in a short period of time. This is even more true for Scythe if you just spam Illgrants crafted for damage (not only are you doing damage you're also avoiding it cause of 1 sec I-frames with each tech). It's actually really easy to deal tons of damage with little to no effort. Dodge counters are easy aswell as it's saved until your next attack so there's no need to rush things just reposition and fire.
Ilgrants spam is whee with no death and heals.
Rifle is whee with tap megiverse to full hp if you keep strafe up.
Katana is katana.
@@DC... Shh we don't talk about that weapon. (Even though in certain situations it's quite fun.)
"Gespent doesn't work"
As a katana phantom player, I know that getting hit just means I die. There's no net, just pain
i played many class bfore and now end up using force/tech class... trust me XD i hve make a monster Dark Magician!!!!!!
EXPLOSION!
is this implemented to new genesis ?
this just applies to base PSO2
@@KronoKatastrophy thank youu
Luster S tier FACTS!!!!!!!!!!
Umm okay sweaty, the best class is techer cause it has less PAs than other class so you gotta really be a MLG player to do good DPS and they added a t into techter in global so it's even sweatier to say now. So you are wrong.
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Nice midrolls
damn, my class is C tier...
i mean mine's S and sometimes a D class does better damage than me lol
Congratulations!!! You are not playing with a brain dead class
If anyone ever asked me how I would describe luster I would just say "phantom with a safety net" (and its extremely fun)
nice, my class is S tier lol
ETOILE top tier 100% idc what anyone says o-o
still an et main D:
Honestly summoner can easily be S rank 😅
If it wasn’t for weak bullet, Ranger would be the worst class in the game.
>People hate healing through mates/atomizers
>Hate using... the dedicated healing items
u wot m8
Is it because of the "limited" number of uses? I mean, with the 70% damage reduction, and the ability to block and parry damage completely, and 2 skills that can heal them, you'd be done with the mission before you're half way through the items. Heck, if you're some crazy parry master(easier to achieve by binding the weapon action to a keyboard key) then it's possible to go through a mission without needing to heal at all.
tldr when you have infinite healing (ie any class that can use life leech for free, bascially everyone but etoile) the only time damage reduction really matters that much is in 1 shot potential hits. seeing how 2 of the 3 other scions not only have 1 shot protection but its refreshable and they both have the ability to utilize life leech w/o interrupting their general gameplay flow yeah i dont like it.
All those things taken into consideration id gladly trade the damage reduction away, considering for 85% of content in the game it doesnt really matter at all, for the ability to leech and just deal more damage aswell (as sega balanced the fact etoile has so much defense by cutting their offense)
I respect your opinion but I do not agree with yours. I agree that luster and phantom can be high DPS. They can kill mob and boss so fast but those two need to be close to boss and stand still. Now, u can not reach bosses easily. Some bosses move so fast and attack all time. Strong AOE boss movements can kill u in one hit with whatever how much DEF u have. If u die b4 attacking boss, it is nothing. Mothership boss and Shiva are obvious examples.
I saw many dps class just run and die before dealing dmg. I guess the game developers also know the common mmorpg rule that dps is the best and then they want to smash this down. High def and skillful dodge are also important
Sure, the reason luster got such a high place is because you can refresh your cheat death by hitting 500 voltage. While it does require some skill its not much of an ask. Keep in mind subclass usability was also a huge factor in those choices
Dead dps is 0 dps
@@KronoKatastrophy i do agree with duke
Speaking of dodge, you didnt mention jet boot's absurb invincibility dodging when using the weapon action. Makes me wonder why most of the time the bouncers on my party are the ones who doesnt die in those full area, even nearly unscratched during UQ
wait no one does Techer bouncer? I hated wand so I just subbed bouncer and went to town, issue is for gear your restricted to the blood series. No love for Force Techer, full spectrum access to enhanced element damage buffs issue is survivability. I'm surprised you didn't mention Gunner Fighter it's still one of gunner strongest class combinations.
Etoile is survivability on the table it keeps players on the field, you can't do damage if you are dead, ultra hard is not easy, etoile gives you the a strong hand of cards at the table when the heat is on. Overdrive is a free full heal with a 50pp buff it keeps an MPA rolling when shit goes south. Perfect just attacks with PA gives a 50% critical rate buff, Same arts pp save, tech arts count bonus has good synergy for pulling 3 PA combos, the weapons leak style man, I love fighting false Shiva and soaring blade parrying her multiple hit attacks while charging full connects to dump on her.
I dont see any videos of sodam depth 100 with a number of classes and be real, we know why. The class balance is actually very bad and really only worsened when they added luster. ngs hopefully they dont make the same mistakes.
Most global players dont upload their runs but there are a ton of JP players who have. HMU sometime Id be more then happy to share you the links. That being said run times can vary pretty dramatically depending on the classes we are comparing
ngl, i wanna put Bo on D tier.. specially with that lv85 skill.. bruh~
i dunno why.. i both love and hate Bo.. smh
and yes, Br is a easy newbie recommendation..
can be either Mel or Rng or evn both, easy to get it but hard to master..
Hunter have big damage if this dmg tier it easily S but yeah the problem is this class need do perfect position and knowing every monster attack patern and Argo control that mean need a lot practice is not for fun class so yeah B tier good enough
If your solely ranking just highest DPS potential then the top 5 are:
Gunner, Summoner, Hero, Luster, then DualBlades Bouncer.
in that order and using their most viable sub classes for high DPS output, is whats commonly agreed on in JP.
Everything else like you said in the video is relatively balanced and their DPS is around equal depending on the setup.
With honorable mentions to Fighter and Rod Phantom being noticeably higher DPS then every thing not in the top 5 and both with the potential to out DPS bouncer in bossing, depending on the boss.
is summoner really the second highest DPS? if so i'd be really interested in checking it out some more. are there any good videos showing it off or guides discussing how to maximize damage?
slouch from what ive seen/read, it has to do with the maron revolver strat slapping 9999999’s constantly.
Lol i am playing bouncer and I was thinking to play as etoile hahahah fail
play them anyway
hm the only things I would change would be etoile on S first because its the strongest easiest most flexible class in the game for solo and group content and phantom because its so squishy i would put it in A tier and summoner at the end of S tier because summoner is just crazy dps other than that i guess good list
Phantom deserves its S tier spot. Where's Etoile's are practically tanking damage Phantoms are meant to avoid it all due to their numerous I-frames and dodge counter shots.
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@@23alvaro93 Good boi *pats head and runs before the FBI shows up*
I came here to troll because I was almost sure my beloved fighter was going to get a -Z rank, but besides of you put it on a very respetable place, I agree with you on most of your points with other classes.
Right now I'm struggling with bouncer, because it's funny how good it was when I started to using it on ep 1 to 4, but after ep5 and all the fighter buffs, i started to realize it isn't that great as it used to be, mostly on harder content and playing solo. Still i have faith in the class and I know I can become much better, but i just need more practice and Bo/pH it's exactly what I need, cos the fear of dying make you improve a lot (i mained fighter since pc beta so I know exactly how to deal with that)
sorry, but you are wrong. fighter is the strongest class in the game. I am main luster in jp and global and I confirm with all certainty that fighter is the strongest class in the game, after the improvements it became extremely strong, but only those who really know how to use the class can deal such damage. And hero is more strong than luster to.
pretty sure you missed the part where this wasnt just based on damage
How is hero stronger than Luster? Any player worth his meseta can pick up Luster and start outputting crazy amounts of damage with PAs, fully charge weapon actions, basic attacks, Lusters will (which can reset like Hero's will), shoot weapon actions (tapping after certain attacks) full auto purge style, luster counters, you don't get punished and lose damage when being hit, increased damage and damage reduction at high voltage plus Shifta and Deband and not to mention luster time which can be cast anytime you want provided it's not on cooldown which I believe gets reduced at high voltage aswell. Whatever Hero does or has Luster does/has better.
And I don't believe him to be outright wrong at all as his opinion was actually quite objective when he was going over the classes.
@@CountDusk any them How luster does "better", hero does more damage. people How really now play hero can give a Lot more damage than luster. Don't take wrong i love luster and I only play main luster, and that IS the true hero give more damage , and fighter give more damage than hero. But you really need now How to play WITH them.
@@Teiichi I sort of understand what you're trying to say but isn't that generally true for almost any class? Know how to play it and your damage will always be high (aside from special circumstance).