If you're sensing a little deja vu, and think that you've seen this video before, don't stress. I toyed with moving my CNC related content to a different channel, then didn't like keeping up with 2 separate channels, so I brought it back! Hope you enjoy more CNC and small woodworking project content, because more will be coming your way soon!
Awesome video as always,,, great information,,, you can now buy a spindle brake (not sure on name) to keep the spindle from dropping I bought it but yet to install it.,,,,, this is probably one of the best videos for infomation on the masso,,,
I have the journeyman 1f with the BB controller and a makita router. I absolutely love it-that being said it is 100% a hobby machine (retired teacher) so making money on the side is no longer an issue (save and invest until it hurts). I make one off items mostly cribbage boards thus far. Looking forward to making bits and pieces of furniture with it. Would I do it again? absofreakinglutely! Was it a chunk of change? YES! Did I overbuild the enclosure and table... uhhh, yep! Am I happy with the set up...uhhh, yep times 1000! Love your channel!
Go into your homing settings, you can change both the speed of homing, most people up it to about 100ipm-150ipm, AND you can go into your axis movement and combine the x and y movements instead of allowing it to do one and then the other. But, don't speed up the homing too much, it can result in inaccuracies over time if it homes too fast.
@@the-wooden-beard Indeed, its an option for some cuts, but depending what your workload is its usually safer for the material piece to lift the z up out of the way first and then let the other two move at the same time. It would be fine if you're only engraving glass, or laser cutting stuff.
It's certainly a better system but is it worth the couple $K to upgrade? I just haven't been able to find sufficient additional value in the system. If I was buying new today I'd likely go with it, but as an upgrade there's not a lot of new functionality for the $2k. Especially as I have mine already turning on my dust collection and spindle automatically. In the end, this doesn't produce any different of a result, it just helps avoid some potential missteps ruining a project and there's a few operator niceties.
There is a setting for homing speed. My complaint is that when I start a job the controller doesn't do anything, but shows no indication what it is waiting for
I think it's waiting for the spindle outer to get up to speed. You can adjust that time in the settings. I think the default is 6 seconds. I think this is what you mean, but might be wrong?
Onefinity sees this as a possible warranty voiding change. I talked to them after I changed mine and it could no longer stop in time before crashing the z axis bearings. It was a slight tap but a tap nonetheless. I changed my back to stock to avoid warranty issues.
@@garagehobbies It's not a 'warranty void change', just a , 'to help you with troubleshooting, we need to ensure you have factory defaults enabled first' type deal. We've found sometimes 100ipm will give sensor errors. We'll be increasing it to 40ipm in an upcoming service bulletin.
@@OnefinityCNC good to know! I was told it would possibly be problematic with the warranty when I contacted you guys. I'll try 40. I know 100 was not good.
I've been soaking up lots of things on the Onefinity - Question - One complaint I've seen, is the controller doesn't give you a total run time for the job - Is that still the case?
That does appear to be the case with the Masso. If it does provide it, I can't find it, but don't take my word as gospel. It may have been updated in recent updates.
@@SothpawDesigns OK, so that is still the case. I've seen it mentioned even recently that's why I jumped on your update to see if that was changed. I have to assume it will come in an update. I love those stop sensors but have to think, at some point, a chip is going to be a butthole LOL! I have to go back in your stuff, that spindle looks freaking huge~ and bet you don't regret it one bit.
@@radamus210 I'm definitely glad I upgraded. It's been a game changer for me. Sounds like a sales pitch, but it's not, it's just a great improvement over a palm router.
@@SothpawDesigns I wouldn't watch your stuff if you were pitching :) I think you said you're an educator? You put it out there right for me, what I want, to the depth I want in the time that makes it valuable for both of us. Not everyone connects I guess. VFD/spindle have always been my direction because of the material I want to cut. Your setup is absolute beast now.
The masso has both an estimated run time and an actual run time on the display as it's running, I can't remember where off hand as I haven't used mine in a few weeks. I think it shows bottom right to the preview screen.
How was the upgrade process? I expected you to post a video about that, and as I have the same machine (WW Pro with Makita Router), I was looking forward to some "tips and tricks" on same.
I thought about doing an upgrade video, but realistically, you just follow along with their video and directions, so there wasn’t much more for me to add. It was an easy process if you just follow along.
I wish i could use a onefinity, its a awesome maschine. But in Germany the Tax if you order one kill it. I just use a small DIY CNC, i use the best i can
Considering an Elite, one troll said the tubes are not rigid enough and cause issues vs an aluminum extrusion design. True concern or just typical snobbery from a trol?
I've had it for over 2 years and had no problems with the tubes. I use the x50, which has thicker rails, so if that's what they were talking about, I disagree.
Nonsense. It does exactly what it is designed to do, which is cut wood and soft metals or plastics etc. I have the Elite journeyman with an 80mm 2.2kw spindle and have had no issues.
EMI is the Culprit..! My thoughts..!May not be accurate..! Might help..! Please make sure to shield all the signal wires completely with Copper /Aluminium Foil and attach one end of that shielding to the Chassis of the machine which ultimately goes to the earth Ground. Better if you can shield the High Voltage cables as well. Both the 3ph High Voltage varying frequency 400HZ at the output side, and 60Hz -250V at the input side of the VFD can cause Potential signal interruptions. So its better to shield those cables as well, so that any HF Noise induced within the cable would be captured by the shielding and neutralise it by sending to ground. Also never route the high voltage cables along with /parallel to low voltage signal wires. Assign separate drag chains for them. Keep the VFD at a distance about 5-10 feet apart from Electronic CNC controller Connect only one end of the shielding to the ground. Preferably to the common Earth Bus bar in the controller enclosure. If we connect both ends of shielding to the ground, it is said to have a potential difference between both ends and may have current passage among them , which would make things worse..! (Debatable) Keep the Step/Dir wires from Masso Controller to the stepper driver as short as possible and shield them and attach one end of shielding to ground as mentioned above.! Attach Ferrite beads at both ends on those step/dir signal wires to further filter out any noise. Try to separately shield the Power cables to steppers and encoders from stepper separately to keep the feedback signals from encoder to the stepper driver clean. Because the encoder signals are weak compared to stepper motor Power lines which tend to have higher frequency and current. The Closed loop steppers can only retain position , which got shifted because of mechanical inertia /velocity loads It compares the commanded position from Driver with the feedback from Stepper Encoder. Then moves the motor as per difference/discrepancy. It can not help if the command signal itself got corrupted. So it is important to make sure the driver got the correct number of pulse count required for the particular move..! These are notes, I have written down for my upcoming project. Thanks Keep doing More Videos..!
And for the Spindle Dropping Problem, 1) Please Consider Using Gas Structs which balances the gravity and gives a support upwards. So essentially in result,the motor would have to exert equal power to move the axis up or down ,which is great..! Using Springs is another option .But dont know how good of a solution it is..! 2)Using Motors with Brake is another option. So you can stop the axis from falling when there is no power. The stepper with brakes have two more extra cables ( needs 12-24V mostly) We would have to give the required voltage to the brake line to disengage the brake to move the axis. This is usually done with the Enable signal from the driver. Meaning,When the driver gets enable signal from the CNC Controller, it would connect the power to the brake to disengage.! Hope it helps..!
Thanks. Onefinity addressed that problem and has a new motor with a z brake. They sent it to me recently, but I haven't installed yet. Appreciate the comments!
Yup. I moved my CNC content to a different channel a few months ago, then decided that wasn't a great idea. Moving it back. It was an experiment, and all experiments are learning experiences.
You can change the speed to the homing up to 100. It can also do both X Y and at the same time. Meaning it does not go to X then do Y. There is a Z slider brake you can get from 1F. I love my Elite WW.
If you're sensing a little deja vu, and think that you've seen this video before, don't stress. I toyed with moving my CNC related content to a different channel, then didn't like keeping up with 2 separate channels, so I brought it back! Hope you enjoy more CNC and small woodworking project content, because more will be coming your way soon!
Speed up the homing in Masso. It's in the set-up tab.
Onefinity sells a Z-stepper motor with a brake to solve the spindle dropping issue.
Awesome video as always,,, great information,,, you can now buy a spindle brake (not sure on name) to keep the spindle from dropping I bought it but yet to install it.,,,,, this is probably one of the best videos for infomation on the masso,,,
you might have figured it out already but you can change the travel speed for the homing. The default is definetly to slow
I have the journeyman 1f with the BB controller and a makita router. I absolutely love it-that being said it is 100% a hobby machine (retired teacher) so making money on the side is no longer an issue (save and invest until it hurts). I make one off items mostly cribbage boards thus far. Looking forward to making bits and pieces of furniture with it. Would I do it again? absofreakinglutely! Was it a chunk of change? YES! Did I overbuild the enclosure and table... uhhh, yep! Am I happy with the set up...uhhh, yep times 1000! Love your channel!
HA!! Sounds like we have a lot in common. Not a retired teacher yet, but I'm not that far away. Thanks for the support!
Go into your homing settings, you can change both the speed of homing, most people up it to about 100ipm-150ipm, AND you can go into your axis movement and combine the x and y movements instead of allowing it to do one and then the other.
But, don't speed up the homing too much, it can result in inaccuracies over time if it homes too fast.
I'll add that you can also check of Z as well and have all three home at once
@@the-wooden-beard Indeed, its an option for some cuts, but depending what your workload is its usually safer for the material piece to lift the z up out of the way first and then let the other two move at the same time. It would be fine if you're only engraving glass, or laser cutting stuff.
@@8thsinnerexactly right. Raising the Z first only takes a couple seconds at most, and it might just save you from breaking a $60 router bit.
It's certainly a better system but is it worth the couple $K to upgrade? I just haven't been able to find sufficient additional value in the system. If I was buying new today I'd likely go with it, but as an upgrade there's not a lot of new functionality for the $2k. Especially as I have mine already turning on my dust collection and spindle automatically. In the end, this doesn't produce any different of a result, it just helps avoid some potential missteps ruining a project and there's a few operator niceties.
Great video thanks for sharing
Thanks for the support!!
There is a setting for homing speed. My complaint is that when I start a job the controller doesn't do anything, but shows no indication what it is waiting for
Interesting. I'd reach out to tech support.
I think it's waiting for the spindle
outer to get up to speed. You can adjust that time in the settings. I think the default is 6 seconds. I think this is what you mean, but might be wrong?
How did you add the file folders into the Masso?
It's just showing the folder structure that I have on my jump drive.
@SothpawDesigns ahh okay. I'm guessing you don't do the wireless file transfers through the massolink then?
Do you have the newer Z slider motor or the original?
I’ve gotten it, but haven’t installed it yet. I didn’t have it when I recorded the video
Go to the F1 screen and you can set the homing speed.😊
Thank you!
Onefinity sees this as a possible warranty voiding change. I talked to them after I changed mine and it could no longer stop in time before crashing the z axis bearings. It was a slight tap but a tap nonetheless. I changed my back to stock to avoid warranty issues.
@@garagehobbies It's not a 'warranty void change', just a , 'to help you with troubleshooting, we need to ensure you have factory defaults enabled first' type deal. We've found sometimes 100ipm will give sensor errors. We'll be increasing it to 40ipm in an upcoming service bulletin.
@@OnefinityCNC good to know! I was told it would possibly be problematic with the warranty when I contacted you guys. I'll try 40. I know 100 was not good.
I've been soaking up lots of things on the Onefinity - Question - One complaint I've seen, is the controller doesn't give you a total run time for the job - Is that still the case?
That does appear to be the case with the Masso. If it does provide it, I can't find it, but don't take my word as gospel. It may have been updated in recent updates.
@@SothpawDesigns OK, so that is still the case. I've seen it mentioned even recently that's why I jumped on your update to see if that was changed. I have to assume it will come in an update. I love those stop sensors but have to think, at some point, a chip is going to be a butthole LOL! I have to go back in your stuff, that spindle looks freaking huge~ and bet you don't regret it one bit.
@@radamus210 I'm definitely glad I upgraded. It's been a game changer for me. Sounds like a sales pitch, but it's not, it's just a great improvement over a palm router.
@@SothpawDesigns I wouldn't watch your stuff if you were pitching :) I think you said you're an educator? You put it out there right for me, what I want, to the depth I want in the time that makes it valuable for both of us. Not everyone connects I guess.
VFD/spindle have always been my direction because of the material I want to cut. Your setup is absolute beast now.
The masso has both an estimated run time and an actual run time on the display as it's running, I can't remember where off hand as I haven't used mine in a few weeks. I think it shows bottom right to the preview screen.
How was the upgrade process? I expected you to post a video about that, and as I have the same machine (WW Pro with Makita Router), I was looking forward to some "tips and tricks" on same.
I thought about doing an upgrade video, but realistically, you just follow along with their video and directions, so there wasn’t much more for me to add. It was an easy process if you just follow along.
Good morning
I wish i could use a onefinity, its a awesome maschine. But in Germany the Tax if you order one kill it. I just use a small DIY CNC, i use the best i can
I hate hearing that.
@@SothpawDesigns thanks. Maybe one day
Considering an Elite, one troll said the tubes are not rigid enough and cause issues vs an aluminum extrusion design. True concern or just typical snobbery from a trol?
I've had it for over 2 years and had no problems with the tubes. I use the x50, which has thicker rails, so if that's what they were talking about, I disagree.
Nonsense. It does exactly what it is designed to do, which is cut wood and soft metals or plastics etc. I have the Elite journeyman with an 80mm 2.2kw spindle and have had no issues.
EMI is the Culprit..!
My thoughts..!May not be accurate..! Might help..!
Please make sure to shield all the signal wires completely with Copper /Aluminium Foil and attach one end of that shielding to the Chassis of the machine which ultimately goes to the earth Ground.
Better if you can shield the High Voltage cables as well.
Both the 3ph High Voltage varying frequency 400HZ at the output side, and 60Hz -250V at the input side of the VFD can cause Potential signal interruptions. So its better to shield those cables as well, so that any HF Noise induced within the cable would be captured by the shielding and neutralise it by sending to ground.
Also never route the high voltage cables along with /parallel to low voltage signal wires.
Assign separate drag chains for them.
Keep the VFD at a distance about 5-10 feet apart from Electronic CNC controller
Connect only one end of the shielding to the ground. Preferably to the common Earth Bus bar in the controller enclosure.
If we connect both ends of shielding to the ground, it is said to have a potential difference between both ends and may have current passage among them , which would make things worse..! (Debatable)
Keep the Step/Dir wires from Masso Controller to the stepper driver as short as possible and shield them and attach one end of shielding to ground as mentioned above.! Attach Ferrite beads at both ends on those step/dir signal wires to further filter out any noise.
Try to separately shield the Power cables to steppers and encoders from stepper separately to keep the feedback signals from encoder to the stepper driver clean.
Because the encoder signals are weak compared to stepper motor Power lines which tend to have higher frequency and current.
The Closed loop steppers can only retain position , which got shifted because of mechanical inertia /velocity loads
It compares the commanded position from Driver with the feedback from Stepper Encoder. Then moves the motor as per difference/discrepancy.
It can not help if the command signal itself got corrupted. So it is important to make sure the driver got the correct number of pulse count required for the particular move..!
These are notes, I have written down for my upcoming project.
Thanks
Keep doing More Videos..!
And for the Spindle Dropping Problem,
1) Please Consider Using Gas Structs which balances the gravity and gives a support upwards.
So essentially in result,the motor would have to exert equal power to move the axis up or down ,which is great..!
Using Springs is another option .But dont know how good of a solution it is..!
2)Using Motors with Brake is another option. So you can stop the axis from falling when there is no power.
The stepper with brakes have two more extra cables ( needs 12-24V mostly) We would have to give the required voltage to the brake line to disengage the brake to move the axis. This is usually done with the Enable signal from the driver. Meaning,When the driver gets enable signal from the CNC Controller, it would connect the power to the brake to disengage.!
Hope it helps..!
Thanks. Onefinity addressed that problem and has a new motor with a z brake. They sent it to me recently, but I haven't installed yet. Appreciate the comments!
Video dump?
Yup. I moved my CNC content to a different channel a few months ago, then decided that wasn't a great idea. Moving it back. It was an experiment, and all experiments are learning experiences.
You can change the speed to the homing up to 100. It can also do both X Y and at the same time. Meaning it does not go to X then do Y. There is a Z slider brake you can get from 1F. I love my Elite WW.
@@kevinrich4637 Thank you! I'll do that. I've been told that there's a setting to update it.
Wow, almost over $6,000 for a wood cnc? You can buy an industrial used CNC that can do aluminum for around $8,000. Scratches head.
Ok
You can do aluminum on the 1F as well
@@the-wooden-beard I know. He just seemed so confident, I hated to burst his bubble.