I'm dealing with a little bit of a learning curve as this lathe is very different from old lathe but I think once I get comfortable with this machine it will be 10X better, as you said "vary capable"
Well, as I've been searching for lathes (nearly traded a Gibson Les Paul for one), a Grizzly sale popped up, so I ordered their 12x35 lathe. It came yesterday, nicely crated, and is in the basement awaiting installation on its stand. I was gonna just put it on my seven foot toolbox/workbench, but it turns out my shop crane legs are too high to go under it. Next up will be a DRO, and I've learned what not to do from what PM did to yours!
12 X 35 you will be able to make all kinds of stuff. Glad my DRO issue with PM was helpful. I may end up going to the hex head nut even after the extended spacers. Some times the stand off is right over the lock when I need to tighten it.
The pdf manual on the web page for the PM1228 shows exactly how to rig the straps, which worked fine for me. Also shown is how to install the AXA QCTP, level the lathe and much much more. Highly recommended read no matter what your skill level.
I went back and looked and the brief mention of the how to strap it is poor. In fact thats exactly how I had it strapped the first time when it rolled on me. Using the leg as a spreader and using two straps at different lengths to make it closer to level was far superior to the technique quickly mentioned in the manual. The rest of the manual is excellent however I must admit it was a couple months prior to the video that I read through it so it was not as fresh as it should have been.
Hello again, been watching alot of UA-cam videos on mostly 12 x 36 lathes. I have found only one in the price range that is close to PM and that is because it's used. Baileigh PL- 1236E. Very few UA-cam videos on this machine. I am thinking that is because it's about $3000 more than other comparable 12 x 36 lathes. What really has me scratching my head is that people are comparing it to PM lathes. From what I have seen the Baileigh is a much higher quality machine for the simple reason the way the carriage is built. You don't need to reverse the machine at the headstock when you want to change your feed axis from facing to length wise turning like you need to with PM, Grizzly and others. That tells me there is a way better set up in the carriage gear box. It's more like the industrial Clausing larhes I have used.
interesting observations. I am not familiar with that brand. Being a 12/36 that is a very large machine. I hope you find the perfect machine for what you are wanting to do.
I just found out an interesting fact. Baileigh and Jet are owned by the same company. Both of their 12x36 lathes have this feature. Thanks for the quick response.
Appreciated your videos especially now on the PM lathe. I am a retired machinist after 35 years of running about every machine you can name.I have decided to order the 12x36 precision lathe with the steel stand. I am not familiar with all their tooling packages and the difference between the high precision vs the ultra precision chuck. If you can give me some recommendations for tooling packages to start out with I would really appreciate it. I want a good variety of boring bars and I can purchase those from another source also. This may be alot to ask so no hurry if you are willing. Thanks and keep up the great info.
really depends on what you are doing. I am a fabricator not a machinist so for me budget tooling is more often than not good enough especially if I keep in mind the tooling limitations as I work. A perfect example is a bit of runout in the chuck, as long as I get all the important machining steps done in the same work holding then everything remains concentric. If I need absolute accuracy especially after remounting the work that is when I brake out the independent 4 jaw. The other thing is to price shop. PM has good import tooling but its still import tooling and tooling of similar quality can be found for the same price or less from places like amazon. I buy a fair amount of import tooling BUT I always make sure it has free returns so that I can send it back if it is not of good enough quality.
Its not about copping Tony, its that I don't want it to be about me. A lot of UA-cam creators have a "look at me!" attitude and for me its about the content not being seen
Man there has always been a concern of mine to see a awesome machine like this setting on a wooden bench and not a solid metal base stand. Kinda makes me question consistent precision..
I understand your concern but that has not been my experience, for starters I am a fabricator not a machinist so .001" -.003" off is not a big deal for me in most cases. With that said I have not found accuracy to be an issue. It holds true and I can can make very accurate cuts. The only time the wooden bench makes an "issue" is it is slightly more prone to chatter but nothing that can't be fixed with the correct speeds and feeds.
I made a reduction gearbox for the carriage feed so you have fine manual control. You should consider the same. there's a video by another guy on how to do it.
I did however there was a slight issue. PM 1228 Improving a Factory Installed DRO for Better Access to the Carriage Locks ua-cam.com/video/fZvUl5rSKk8/v-deo.html
The PM-1228 is a great Lathe and very capable.
I'm dealing with a little bit of a learning curve as this lathe is very different from old lathe but I think once I get comfortable with this machine it will be 10X better, as you said "vary capable"
Well, as I've been searching for lathes (nearly traded a Gibson Les Paul for one), a Grizzly sale popped up, so I ordered their 12x35 lathe. It came yesterday, nicely crated, and is in the basement awaiting installation on its stand. I was gonna just put it on my seven foot toolbox/workbench, but it turns out my shop crane legs are too high to go under it.
Next up will be a DRO, and I've learned what not to do from what PM did to yours!
12 X 35 you will be able to make all kinds of stuff. Glad my DRO issue with PM was helpful. I may end up going to the hex head nut even after the extended spacers. Some times the stand off is right over the lock when I need to tighten it.
The pdf manual on the web page for the PM1228 shows exactly how to rig the straps, which worked fine for me. Also shown is how to install the AXA QCTP, level the lathe and much much more. Highly recommended read no matter what your skill level.
Thanks for the comment, I downloaded the manual and read through it specifically looking for slinging information. I must have missed it.
I went back and looked and the brief mention of the how to strap it is poor. In fact thats exactly how I had it strapped the first time when it rolled on me. Using the leg as a spreader and using two straps at different lengths to make it closer to level was far superior to the technique quickly mentioned in the manual. The rest of the manual is excellent however I must admit it was a couple months prior to the video that I read through it so it was not as fresh as it should have been.
Hello again, been watching alot of UA-cam videos on mostly 12 x 36 lathes. I have found only one in the price range that is close to PM and that is because it's used. Baileigh PL- 1236E. Very few UA-cam videos on this machine. I am thinking that is because it's about $3000 more than other comparable 12 x 36 lathes. What really has me scratching my head is that people are comparing it to PM lathes. From what I have seen the Baileigh is a much higher quality machine for the simple reason the way the carriage is built. You don't need to reverse the machine at the headstock when you want to change your feed axis from facing to length wise turning like you need to with PM, Grizzly and others.
That tells me there is a way better set up in the carriage gear box. It's more like the industrial Clausing larhes I have used.
interesting observations. I am not familiar with that brand. Being a 12/36 that is a very large machine. I hope you find the perfect machine for what you are wanting to do.
I just found out an interesting fact. Baileigh and Jet are owned by the same company. Both of their 12x36 lathes have this feature. Thanks for the quick response.
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I believe Precision Matthews will be very hard to beat as quality goes. After sales support is awesome with Percision Matthews!!
I agree with that statement. I have been extremely happy with my machines.
Appreciated your videos especially now on the PM lathe. I am a retired machinist after 35 years of running about every machine you can name.I have decided to order the 12x36 precision lathe with the steel stand. I am not familiar with all their tooling packages and the difference between the high precision vs the ultra precision chuck. If you can give me some recommendations for tooling packages to start out with I would really appreciate it. I want a good variety of boring bars and I can purchase those from another source also. This may be alot to ask so no hurry if you are willing. Thanks and keep up the great info.
really depends on what you are doing. I am a fabricator not a machinist so for me budget tooling is more often than not good enough especially if I keep in mind the tooling limitations as I work. A perfect example is a bit of runout in the chuck, as long as I get all the important machining steps done in the same work holding then everything remains concentric. If I need absolute accuracy especially after remounting the work that is when I brake out the independent 4 jaw. The other thing is to price shop. PM has good import tooling but its still import tooling and tooling of similar quality can be found for the same price or less from places like amazon. I buy a fair amount of import tooling BUT I always make sure it has free returns so that I can send it back if it is not of good enough quality.
Thanks for the tip
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This Old Tony has caused an epidemic of hand gesturing speaking machinists
Its not about copping Tony, its that I don't want it to be about me. A lot of UA-cam creators have a "look at me!" attitude and for me its about the content not being seen
Man there has always been a concern of mine to see a awesome machine like this setting on a wooden bench and not a solid metal base stand. Kinda makes me question consistent precision..
I understand your concern but that has not been my experience, for starters I am a fabricator not a machinist so .001" -.003" off is not a big deal for me in most cases. With that said I have not found accuracy to be an issue. It holds true and I can can make very accurate cuts. The only time the wooden bench makes an "issue" is it is slightly more prone to chatter but nothing that can't be fixed with the correct speeds and feeds.
I made a reduction gearbox for the carriage feed so you have fine manual control. You should consider the same. there's a video by another guy on how to do it.
Do you happen to have a link? I would be very interested in that upgrade.
@@dazecars ua-cam.com/video/f4T60jfdPJY/v-deo.htmlsi=C9Smk5BsXXU0rTSc
thank you
Did you get the DRO kit with this?
I did however there was a slight issue. PM 1228 Improving a Factory Installed DRO for Better Access to the Carriage Locks
ua-cam.com/video/fZvUl5rSKk8/v-deo.html
Did this come with a chip tray?
yes it did
Is this lathe originally manufactured in china or taiwan?
The lathe is China made but I believe the PM mill I have is made in Taiwan
It look very high.
I'm a tall guy so my work benches are taller than normal
@@dazecars I'm only 5'11" but I don't like bending over so much, so my mill and lathe are also mounted high.
Not sure why people don't mount them higher. Nothing comfortable about bending over for hours. 😁
Pretty swanky!
agreed