Van Halen Roundtable! Doug Messenger Returns to Sunset Sound.
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2021
- In Studio 2 at Sunset Sound Recorders, guitarist and friend of Eddie Van Halen, Doug Messenger shares his insights on his friendship with Eddie, his thoughts on the overrated tapping technique, and his experiences with Jimi Hendrix prior to his passing. Additionally, Doug recounts his time at Sunset Sound while working on the Fair Warning album with Eddie, revealing some incredible stories.
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the flanger was punched in at the board for Unchained convince me otherwise
Why would you think that? I've got an old MXR flanger and it gets that sound into the front of the amp without a problem. I can't speak for the reissues.
@@Eric_W_Bell70 because the sweep cycle on Unchained is constant like it's running in the background i.e. in a rack and its punched in with the button on the mixing board. A pedal doesn't have a constant cycle like that if it's engaged with the foot switch it starts at that point of the cycle when it's clicked on. that's why Ed could never repeat the same sweep live it was always starting at a different point or position in the sweep
@@BillDerBerg my old MXR flanger does it like Ed's. The flange is definitely pre-distorted tone, and the sweep isn't perfect ascending and descending on the original recording. Now it's possible he could have left it on and switched it in an out with a simple loop switch box, but the tone is not one of a flange after the distorted tone.
@@BillDerBerg one thing I should point out, going back to this. On the old MXR flangers, they actually do run constantly once power is applied. Now obviously you don't hear it when it is bypassed, but the flange circuit is constantly running.
@@Eric_W_Bell70 but does that explain the time it takes to engage the switch and turn it off and then do it again that like gives you extra time which will throw off the rhythm. it would be a lot easier to punch it in and punch it out at the board
You guys HAVE to get Mike, Al and Dave in sunset to tell their sides. All or one. Guarantee Mikey would do it without hesitation. Make it happen!
Yes! Please!
I support this.
the one they really need to do an interview with here would actually be donn landee, the loyal one.
@@andrewbintang4591 def need him. Are you saying Mikey wasn’t loyal? Lol. Please
@@tdz69those are your words, not a bad word about mike from my mouth.
but if you might remember ted templeman jumped ship to produce dlr, donn sticked with =V-/=
If possible, please do a long interview with Michael Antony.
On this point of contention I agree with Mr. Messenger 100%. There are kids all over the world between 5-12 that can play "Eruption" flawlessly, thousands of them. It's just the state of learning and repetition, and maybe enthusiastic parents.
Unfortunately, none of them, or any of the other marvelously talented EVH impersonators of any age have been able to create new, dynamic music and songs that we can all roll the windows down and rock out to.
It just shows how hard it is to create a hugely successful band. Especially today, perhaps.
they forget the ear I sold my equipment 5 years ago had to not want to and just got a les paul and a marshall fk at 57 it's a bitch with all that time off and not playing but I can still do some of the fast stuff, I want the note to hang around to hear it, let it breathe for a second, make sense?
Or actual originality.
Outta love again is awesome drum song, Ed’s solo on that is just wild
Outta Love Again is probably in my Top 3 =VH= songs, Eddie's guitar work, Alex's jazzy drumming, Dave's screams. Everything about that track is incredible!
Yes it is. I watched my friends drum teacher play “ Outta Love” and it blew our mind 🤯. That whole drum set was rocking , shaking etc.
Would love it if Doug Messenger released a book… His memory, stories, and knowledge about the music business are unbelievable…
Doug doesn't hold anything back. I would love to hear about the good ole` days. That would be a treat for all. Also, would love to hear more about the music scene in the Boston area. This man has stories.
How much is fact? According to him, he discovered Van Halen. 🤔
I could listen to Doug for hours on end without getting bored.
Hell yeah… That dude is awesome!
I am 54 and can play Eruption and pretty much the entire Van Halen catalog note perfect on my air guitar.
🤯
Doug is 80 years old and is sharp as a tack. Just finished the interview and made me realize how much I love the dynamic of a young man and an man discussing pretty much anything. Also… Drew…. I’m DTF
Sharp as a tack? Have you known him long? Who's to say his recollection isn't fanciful? He called them, not vice versa. Hmmm.....
"I'm DTF" HAHAH😅😂
@jojomcgee3430 You sound like a joy to be around Jesus...
Back in the mid eighties, I and the garage band I was in, went to the Guitar Center in Hollywood to shop for a PA….we didn’t choose one there but we were pleased to see that the Sunset Grill was physically connected to the same building….as made famous by Don Henley in his solo album.
That Hendrix story is GOLD!!
Solid gold!
I can listen to Mr. Messenger for hours! Thanks for this, and I still have my Dynamix 40 input console!
My wife’s uncle in law was a guy named Jarvis who was an engineer credited with Landee on the Montrose Album with Bad Motor Scooter. It was from this album that the reverb was panned to the left and dry was panned to the right to get the guitar mix. It is also why if you only had one left speaker or a mono speaker back in the day that you don’t hear the guitar solo on the dry side, only the Fx side. Anyway the engineering and mixing is the same format on Van Halen (1).
I like how str8 up Dougie is says it like it is
Man, what a wealth of history/information Doug has..!! What a memory..!! Proves that no drugs no drinking is worth it..!!
man, I could listen for another 12 hours, great fuckin stories, thanx !!! Whens the next one ?
There’s another episode w Doug from a year ago
Fantastic slice of history. Doug rules! And as a former Youngman in the 1970s, Tanya was HOT. Classic story, Doug. Thanks
YES!!!!!!! THE DOUG MESSENGER!!!!! Doug is my favorite interview from Sunset Sound so far!!!👍😊
I agree with Doug about the live Eruption being elongated. It does get boring after hearing so many times.
What was captured on the album was just perfect. Not too long and repetitive, and from beginning to the climatic eruption, till the diving bombastic coda. Spine chilling.
I agree . I love watching EVH play Eruption and his different takes on it live. Watching others play it on YT for the 10,000 time (including myself) lol, bores me to death.
UH..... YES!!!! CANT WAIT!
This is awesome! Thank you Doug & Drew!
Yes sir Im glued right now!!
Thank You very much! 🙏🏼
Love listening to these interviews, this channel is documenting history. Thank you.
Great Interview!!! The takeaway- be on guard when meeting Tanya Tucker 🎉
amazing interview! never knew most of this! I am a fan now!
Funny how many times Bill Church is mentioned here, but not once by the nickname Sammy used on tour, "The Electric Church". Overall riveting interview. Thanks SSR! 😀
To me, the best drum fill, or riff, of all time is during the second break in Outta Love Again...Tink. Boom. Alex had so much class and style. A band is only as good as it's drummer. Better drummer, better music.
The opening fill to "Jamie's Cryin" is the best drum riff of all time, along with "Everybody wants some!"
I could listen to Doug all day.
Wow. I'm the biggest Montrose fan. I wrote him before his death, and he gave me, for free, Speed of Sound CD. Then in 1983, I met Randy Hansen, who wanted me to audition on bass. Randy Hansen knew Floyd Rose of Q5. So Randy Hansen says he demoed the Floyd Rose whammy bar for EVH. I have an original proto type of Rose's whammy made from billet steel. Also, I named my female Dalmatian "Ronni", after Ronnie Montrose. Small world.
His Hendrix story checks out. I found archives online which places Joey Dee and the Starlighters at Revere Beach, Mass in late 1965. Cool,
I’ve watched a bunch of these videos and it blows my mind how Michael Anthony has not been on here. Has he been asked? It’s crazy how you wouldn’t ask somebody in the band or get them on the show. I’m sure Michael would.
Drew, you can tell he has a lot of fun talking with you. I love the concept of this show, by just sitting in the studio and introducing the music and stories to a new generation. If it was some old guy , it wouldn’t be nearly as interesting
Doug “discovered” a band I was in in LA and started grooming us to become better. Unfortunately the band broke up when I decided to head to Northern CA to get away from the madness that was the LA music scene at the time. He was visionary because our brand of acoustic rock hit like a missile a couple years later and became all the rage. I often wonder what could have become of us if we had stayed together under his tutelage. A fine man he was. I remember one funny thing he told us, “If you guys are taking drugs, just start taking less of them”.😂 How cool is that?
What a terrific interview!
Thanks! ✌🏼
Sunset Sound--
Thank you for doing this interview
Doug Messenger is very interesting
I agree with a lot of what he says. Never really heard of him; always liked the opening to “ Domino” though
( examples: 10 yo girls playing Eruption. It’s all reflex; Little Wing IS harder to play; with feeling.
Eddie buying R Montrose’s amp
Jimi playing monopoly.
Jimi looking a mess, 5/70)
😇 The reason Doug Messanger is still here is because he never did drugs.
💡 and Sunset Sound, this is fascinating to watch, but you are also documenting things for future generations !
Awesome!!! Thanks for doing these.
I swear hearing or reading a while back that Eddie said that he used smaller amps during the recording of fair warning. That it produced a more punchier sound on record.
Such great memories for me 1978 on....
Valerie Maddox Milano
Love Doug’s interviews. Footage have him back soon!
This should be awesome... or unchained!!!
Doug is a fucking treasure trove. As big an EVH fan as I am the Hendrix stuff is just over the top.
I was there in 1965. Problem is that is my birth year. At 58 my memory is still sharp but when and if I get to Doug' s I have my doubts.
Any chance of getting Wolfgang VH in here one day? Not specific to Sunset sound obviously but to his father and 5150
Awesome interview and history, love it. Thx
pure awesomeness
Him pointing out John Paul Jones shows that he really knows a good bass player when he hears one. Jones was the reason Led Zeppelin were not just another Humble Pie. Jimmy Page was the unquestioned leader of the band but he was smart enough to allow and encourage his brilliant bass player's input .
Donn Landee PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE do a Sunset interview.
NICE!!!
His Main amp( SLP #12301) was "Stolen"? i have only heard it was lost by Pan am en route to Japan when they were on tour in 78?
when he got it back he retired it from the road and it was just on records after that. This was from eddie himself in a 1980 interview.
he got the Plexi back but had to do a few shows in the interim with Music Man amps those are hybrid solid-state tube
A Dutch guy many years later jacked that amp up. Dave Friedman got it back to what it originally was.
@@Eric_W_Bell70 c3rr3m?
@@BillDerBerg I think it was Van Weelden? Pretty that was the guy that messed with it.
@@gregwinter8503 ya read about him at the metroamp forums
This interview is fantastic
You need Don Lande
Greg R needs to write a book about him.
35:04 - I totally agree with Doug. You can find a dozen people under 18 on UA-cam nailing Eruption. Not so many could play "I'm the One" though, which has the slippery licks more than the mechanical tapping. And I think what Doug is saying about Little Wing, is the rhythm guitar comping on that (and Axis Bold as Love / Castles Made of Sand) is painfully difficult to pull off note-for-note.
nobody nails Eruption change my mind
@@BillDerBerg Jacob Deraps is probably the closest but there are a few
@@BillDerBerg ua-cam.com/video/OoF8GaZiVIY/v-deo.html
@@odgeUK flubbing parts but his tone is awesome
it's easy to play guitar by numbers like tablature style but the feel and funkiness can't be replicated unless that's what you emulate first. Hendrix clones are the same way there's a certain jive with Jimi's playing like how he immediately goes off meter and key then comes back almost like he briefly went to another time dimension.... few guitarists can get that jive
This Doug dude is spot on about Eruption, tapping and a lot of other insights about guitar playing and what is really impressive and what is just reflex noodling. The interviewer is not able to understand it appears based on his response to being informed by Doug. That's ok, most non players are impressed by plenty of guitar antics that are actually not difficult whereas Doug has the seasoned vet's perspective and really knows what is bs and what is real in the realm of guitardom "stuff". I love where he calls out the pedal dorks for the incessant concern over the latest pedal choice.
Alright!! My man Doug returns!! Welcome back!!!
Thanx 4 the Koll stories Doug !!!
Love these interviews!!
Van Halen ll in evey aspect, from any perspective, is on another level. Doesn't matter where it was recorded or mixed. Musicality, sonically, musicianship, everything, it's all there. I put VHll as their best all-round record.
The guitar sound on DOA is the best sound Eddie ever got, imho.
Doug is amazing!
Awesome interview!!!!!! Love Doug
All the amps and effect pedals in the World won't give the tone from those Golden fingers EVH had. It was a simpler time but God was it fun!!RIP EVH
That Hendrix story is wild! And yes , Don Landee get in on this!
I love watching all your interviews and they are great, but why are the videos all so dark?
Tell us about Van Halen!
Doug: "Getting back to me"...
Riight.
You always have some great content. Great presentation on the pedals. Hope I can catch you someday in the states. Maybe you will play the Boston area.
Very interesting interview but some of the stuff Doug Messenger comes out with I find it hard to agree with. "Ed only used a Phase shifter on a few of the songs"...?? He used the Phase 90 on all of the solos on VH1 and most on VH2 and a lot on WACF, and he also used it quite a lot on rhythm parts too. There are also a few things he says that when questioned, he quickly back tracks on. I seem to be the only person on the comments who thinks this way...I'll get my coat... :D
Mr. Doug Messenger is absolutly right about Eddies tapping. Only to make sure, I'm a massive Van Halen and of course, Eddie Fan. But only Eddie Van Halen - also he's not invented the guitar tapping - was the only guy which has done it right, to get it sound like a organic guitar line. Only he is recognisable immedatly because only he has the right feel and the right sound to it. There are hundrets of guitarist out there on UA-cam, male and female, young and old and they can play all these Eruption notes, the Eruption Solo line, but there is wheter the feel nor the sound of the one and only Eruption. Also great players like Steve Vai - who is always saying this in a lot of interviews - was not able to bring the organic Eddie feel to the Van Halen tunes. They all play and use the guitar tapping as showmanship, to show off there skills. No one since Eddie has really got his feel, sound and organic nearly human touch to the guitar tapping. With todays tech possobilities - amp wise, pedal wise and with the help of the internet - all of the imitation is a lot easier. But that is exactly the part, all the imitators can only replicate the recorded line. As soon as they play there own stuff, they play there own lines, all the closeness to the original is gone. So, I am abolutely agree with Mr. Doug Messenger. It is just boring to the listen to all of the imitators, it is not Eddie Van Halen and not Van Halen as the Band.
In the words of Ozzy Osbourne after the passing of Eddie Van Halen: "I remember seeing Eddie do that finger-tapping thing, and that was the first time I’d ever seen anyone do that. Just when you think nobody can make guitar playing exciting, somebody like that comes out. He was one of them.
That thing with finger-tapping in the Eighties, with the hair bands, everybody was doing that finger tapping. Once you’ve seen the master do it, everyone else comes second. Anybody after Eddie Van Halen was in second, as far as I’m concerned. There were some other good players, and there are some very clever ones, but it’s not just playing an instrument. You’ve got to put the emotion behind you, and Eddie had all that. He made it look so easy.
He made it look like it was not difficult. He made it look like it was a natural thing. Everybody else was trying to be Eddie Van Halen, but there is only one Eddie Van Halen. I thought he was brilliant. God only knows, what you have to do to get that good."
Finally I belive that the words of Ozzy Osbourne nail it, Eddie was the Master of the guitar tapping and listen to all the imitators makes the guitar tapping a bit boring.
There are a lot of new prog rock guitar players who use tapping inside of their riffs. The purpose of it is to facilitate wide intervalic leaps. It’s done in a totally different way than the VH tapping triplets.
@@pitthefrit6292 I know that. But tapping keeps on being brought up in these interviews for some reason. So that’s why I replied on it.
'Tapping' is just a name invented for a general technique of hitting tonal notes with both hands like a keyboard. A term invented by Guitar magazine columnists in the 1980s.. The difference was most players just used it as a 'trick' that was popular to be copied whereas Ed did things with it which were almost impossible to copy (Meanstreet intro etc) ...Ed didn't just use it for interval leaps but to sound utterly different from other players ....The imitators by contrast would sound like 'typewriter clones' without the ability to create a unique musical identity with it. Plus 'tapping' wasn't all Ed was....He was applying inventive-ness to the instrument in breaking the rules whether he had 2 hands on the neck or not...He was doing so many things to the instrument manually that other players had to figure out. Not just 'tapping' ...People who over focus on that underestimate ED'S UNIQUE APPROACH TO THE INSTRUMENT....They can't see the forest for the trees.
It would be nice to get Rudy Leiren in the studio. Definitely would have a lot of cool stories
He’s comin
When Doug Messenger goes into a new music connection. Is it just me or anyone else also imagine DM as an animated Forrest Gump like toon being pasted into / outof dramatizations of events.
Another epic interview Mr. Drew! I hope you got Doug to play the guitar for later splicing but it seems like you had to leave. Thanks again for documenting music history! :)
Dear Mr. Landee, PLEASE COME! We all love you SO MUCH and want to hear your stories. Eddie had anxiety and he did a multitude of interviews. We will all support you! xo
Messenger is also correct about Eruption...in a sense. I think Eddie had "developed" many of the ideas and licks that came up during Eruption, but Eddie usually improvised the exact sequencings of notes and licks. Look at every taping of him playing Eruption. They are all different in that respect even if the "concepts" showed up in one sequence or another.
Agreed. From interviews it was cast off as a warm up exercise. Was it ever developed as a "song" by EVH? Probably not. Hence the multiple versions. The one on the album was the one caught on tape and probably never a "song" by EVH.
Hearing the room mic on that previous video is hair-raising. Seen VH 12 times. Best regards.
Ed borrowed the beginning of “Eruption” from the Cactus (Carmen Appice’s band) song “Let Me Swim” from 1970. They also were heavily influenced by the boogie “Parchman Farm” from the same 1970 album “Cactus”…. Check these tunes out. You’ll be like “holy shit”….
@@johnconk1 holy shit!!!!! 100% Omg😳how did you discover this!
“ Little Wing” much harder. I agree. Eruption is not easy but LW is totally different.
Donn Landee is a huge part of that early VH magic. Kidnap him for an interview asap! :D
@16:00 What Doug is referring to is a Master volume.
Some like it, some don't; depends on how you are using the amp and what sounds you are going for.
The non-Master amps are getting their overdrive, mostly from the power tubes and the Master volume amps let you drive the Pre-Amp tubes harder; which is a very different sound. Not an absolute, as there were likely circuit changes, as well, that would also affect the end result.
I hate master volume Marshalls
We WANT DONN LANDEE NOW !
I doubt we'd hear from him and that's sad . He should ALWAYS get the most credit for the DLR era sound . I've read he's really reclusive .
Great stuff again👍
Doug is the best interview 👍🏻
Man, Doug's choices for what Hendrix tracks he'd tell that kid to check out were really close to mine; I'd say Voodoo Chile and Star Spangled too, but above all I'd tell him to listen to Machine Gun from that Band Of Gypsys live album, the one Jimi had to do because he owed an album to this record label.
Yeah, he mighta hated owing them any of his music, but that album is a bloody fuggn masterpiece, and Machine Gun is ten minutes of Jimi literally bleeding out his soul onstage. The solo in that song is _immortal,_ the first note is mind blowing, and so are all the ones after it.
For Van Halen, I picked Aint Talkin Bout Love same as Doug. I remember the first time I heard that chunky, palm muted arpeggio that opens the song, I thought that was the baddest assest (🤣) guitar tone and riff ever. Shit the whole song is Am-G all the way, but it's a great example of how to write a better song with 2 chords than most people can do with 20. Awesome. I hope you have Doug back again.
I love how he said 1984 sounded like Landee, until he found out it was 5150😏
people can play the tapping part...but there are a few unplayable passages in eruption. As a whole..it is the more unplayable piece. If just tapping...it's not too difficult.
Doug is totally right about eruption!!! I love Eddie playing it but after awhile it's eh lol
Very interesting interview. Even if one doesn't agree with all of it....Always interesting to hear the take of an older player on EVH like Doug who dates right back to Jimi Hendrix & knew them BOTH....The thing about both Eddie And Jimi is they were BOTH brilliant sonic innovators expanding the vocabulary of the instrument & they were BOTH EAR players who had a great unschooled natural melodic awareness. Eddie even did forced classical piano by ear & fooled teachers into thinking he was sight reading...Jimi improvised extraordinary lines with a feel of freedom which was mind zapping talking of 'colours' not notes. I guess Don Landee & Ted Templeman were fine catalysts who brought the best out of musicians rather than putting their stamp on them ...First with Montrose then with Van Halen...Don Landee was a sonic genius & we would all love to hear him on here..Interesting amp history between the two camps & how things turned out with the Marshalls . I think Ed talked about that prize Marshall he was using with the variac as being the Pasadena Rose Palace house amp with plexiglas front.. in early interviews....Its interesting the different recording/mic techniques between the Marshall super lead amps(that you have to crank up) & how they differ from the later Master Volume heads...I never knew Ed bought a super lead Marshall from Doug....I always assumed Ed stuck with the amp I described earlier from the first album (1978) right the way up to OU812 (1988) I knew it got lost on the way back from Japan & he found it around India & got it back...I don't think it had been spoilt by being modified though...& think he went on using it up to 1988 ....Ed never used distortion pedals of course. Most of his sound was in his fingers & his brain & ability to sustain the strings 'acoustically'....Dance the Night Away out of tune ? when he played Doug the final mix ?....lol....Well, possibly ...Did you mean the clock chime harmonics in the chorus were a TINY bit sharp next to the rhythm guitar possibly ? Was VH2 really recorded at Amigo , not Sunset ?...I thought that was Diver Down....Hmmm..lol....With the Fair Warning sessions I don't think Doug could have played & B&W charvel that is on the front cover of VH 1 because Ed had long before painted it RED b&w ...way back in 1979 I think ? ...Unless Ed was recording in Sunset with a DIFFERENT B&W guitar from that one. Does Doug remember in the studio when Ed was using a Gibson Les Paul Junior/SG on slide for Dirty Movies & got Ted to help him saw the bottom horn off ?...lol....Ed's guitar sound in Sunset was very inventive but Ed later didn't like it when his friends channel on his stereo blew & the guitar disappeared. ...lol....I would disagree with Doug that 'Tapping' lends itself to just fast notes which are not melodic music....I think this can occur with one hand on the fretboard as much as it can with two...What Doug is talking about here is the way guitarists play with their HANDS FASTER THAN THEIR EARS so the speed creates things repetitive & uninspiringly predictable....I believe this can happen in tapping but also other techniques in playing....'Tapping' has no monopoly on it. Reflexes over reaching themselves at the expense of motif & melody can apply to all techniques...Older guitar players before Eddie would foolishly call 'tapping' a 'gimmick' simply because they did not have the VISION TO SEE ITS POTENTIAL IN EXPANDING THE INSTRUMENTS SONIC VOCABULARY & making the instrument sound utterly different from what we had already heard. That combined with jealousy that they couldn't do it...Doug is NOT one of those clearly I hasten to add because of his insights here...Doug realizes that the MEANSTREET INTRO Is the most glorious moment in manual guitar sound invention ...Because Ed was making a guitar sound sonically like some kind of demented ALIEN MACHINE with JUST HIS HANDS on the strings of an UNMODIFIED GUITAR & AMP which other players COULD NOT COPY & IMITATATE to popularize into cliche like the Eruption technique. NEVER BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF GUITAR PLAYING HAS A GUITAR PLAYING IDEA SUBMERGED THE TECHNIQUE BY WHICH IT IS ACHIEVED TO BE SO INACCESSIBLE TO OTHER GUITARISTS & DIFFICULT TO COPY....If you can't SEE film of it, you couldn't figure out how it was done with just your ears...Dweezil Zappa on another video goes into this brilliantly...Other Players on the internet could show you how it was done...I CAN show you how it was done ...But ED INVENTED IT....BIG difference...Even JIMI would want to know how Ed created that....Not even Jimi could figure it....Doug has got the first part right about the thumb/finger r hand tap & left hand slap & mute being taken from bass players....But what is REALLY mind boggling is the part which comes AFTER that...Where Ed fast alternates L hand hammered ordinary notes with R Hand tapped harmonics to get fast interval variety & range within such a small time frame that it sounds MIND BOGGLING for a guitar ...Tap & release octave range complexity within a time frame which just blows your head off....Even if subsequent players play faster, they can't make the instrument sound as uniquely different to the ear as Eddie did with Meanstreet intro...Not even modern 'guitar mentalists' like Vai, Ron Thal or Mattias Eklundh..Plus as the interviewer mentioned Ed EXPANDED it live...(Greensbo N. Carolina where the thumb slap paradiddles go chromatic descent..lol ) Another thing to remember is ED made 'tapping' an utterly integrated part of his general playing whereas the imitators didn't...Ed said once when he did 'tapping' he was telling a STORY (A continuous narrative) whereas when these others did it they were telling a JOKE (a trick which was the latest thing they'd copied & learned which was fragmented & not an integrated part of their sonic vocabulary).... Doug calling it 'showing off' possibly may have been counter productive....lol....Eruption boring ?...Nah, he would improvise around themes to always surprise his audience like Paganini did but he used to keep some melodies like Eruption, Spanish Fly & Cathedral as reference points to what folks had enjoyed on the original studio albums. I actually thought the the Original Eruption on the 1st Album was a watered down version of what he was playing live both in terms of variety of sounds & ideas & the emotional intensity with which he played it.....Plus he EXPANDED on what he had done on the record CONSTANTLY which made bootleg vinyls such a FASCINATING study for me as a guitarist in the early 1980s...The clones who copy whether 8 yrs old or 18 yrs old don't have Ed's FEEL in that solo, to MY ears anyway. As for Eruption vs Little Wing , well emotionally they are oranges & apples....Eruption is an all out Bach Organ blast furnace whereas Little Wing is such an R&B nuanced brooding , melancholy feel to it that I don't think anyone could get it like Jimi did. I heard modern virtuosos like Vai & Satriani try & fail to do that. In fact in 2001 I was studying Jimi's out-take CDs & in this box set I heard this OUT-TAKE of Little Wing with just the guitar with no vocals or sounds over the guitar.... I listened to it & it literally moved me to TEARS...I just cried... More beautiful than the official recording of it. Because it was just the guitar & nothing else...Jimi was extraordinary. Doug has got that right. Its great how Doug tried to get Jimi off drugs ...That was noble...& I agree with Doug that with both Eddie & Jimi there was something relating to PERSONALITY and VISION in what was being created which YOU CANNOT DUPLICATE. That was the case with BOTH Jimi & Eddie. ...Perhaps they are both in heaven now showing each other their ideas on their Frankenstrat & Fender Strat.
Everything was tracked at Sunset. They mixed some of VH 2 at Amigo
@@sunsetsoundrecorders Ah I see. The mixing...Yes.
The red and white guitar is the black and white guitar. It’s the same guitar. Except when he had Kramer build the red and white guitars the 5150
That's correct and Eddie also allowed that later on, he regretted doing that..., like WTF was I thinking? and it cant be undone (He was bummed over it's pedigree, he'd F'd up) When all he needed to do, was just build another. 💔
Eddie spent a day at the Kramer factory for a day to build a bunch of 5150 guitars himself .
Finished What You Started, possibly the Van Halen with Sammy on the vocals?
Hoping to hear discussion on how they recorded the hi hat on “Sunday afternoon in the park”.
I’m also curious about the outro solo of “one foot out the door”.
It’s pure fury.
I was in Dr. Music in Pasadena looking for something when this short guy with a giant hairball walked in and I thought "oh! that's eddie van halen!". I lingered around and he was checking out a little tiny keyboard synthesizer. He was making some droning noises and amusing himself with the toy. He ended up walking out with it and that was that.
Sometime later I bought the new Fair Warning cassette to listen through it before I went to the concert at the "Fabulous Forum" in LA. As I was listening, I suddenly hear a familiar droning sound that I had heard somewhere before. I thought for sure this was that same synth. Later, at the show, the lights go down and he starts the intro to Sunday afternoon in the park. Same droning noise. When the lights come up, there it is: that little synthesizer he got at Dr. Music! I was stoked! It was my brush with fame.
too good
I wish I was Doug's friend.
Doug is from Boston!
I dealt with the those club owners 😀
Prince called out eruption on the song " Cloreen Bacon skin" from the Crystal ball box set.
There is a ton of nuance and a mastery of dynamics in Little Wing. Ed could play that way but Eruption is not a good example of dynamics at all. I agree with Doug here.
Eruption is what it is...solo piece that Ted said to tape. Iconic af tho
Can't be the white and blacked striped guitar. Red was added to the same guitar in 1979.
The Beatles?? Cream was not wild?? Lol. Doug is a sharp dude and on point. I have never heard of Ed and a liking of the Beatles......the Cream stuff Ed and Alex loved was the live wild exploratory jam Cream ala I'm So Glad Crossroads etc...dude is on most of it but off a bit on a few things. Great interview tho man
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Ed also talked once about seeing Zeppelin at The Forum in 71 & 72 with Alex and seeing Page rip part of the solo for Heartbreaker one handed and thought that it was badass…
At 34:15 I get where Doug is coming from. It sounds like sacrilege, but if you're a guitar player who has heard the same solo many times, I could see where he wouldn't be as excited to hear eruption.
Who’s Mark?
@@sunsetsoundrecorders Fixed that, must have had a Mark on my mind. 😆
What a great interview.A wealth of knowledge,.I had read that Templeton was responsible for EVH sound on first album....Fair warning was one of there top three albums.None of the other albums from VH. Were as well placed in secquenced and had that continuous of. Songs....come on Dave give me a break....aint no match for your mean old man!!! Take it all off....can you help me pay my bills???...Keep up the good work maybe next time in LA with dtr..Check out your studio
Uh , Donn gets most of the credit . Ed ALWAYS gave Donn the most credit for the DLR era . NOT Teddy .
So many amazing stories Every time Doug talks, it’s fascinating. I started to Google spider Taylor and it’s very interesting that he was from Pasadena and “Not only did Spider play guitar on that single, he also incorporated an electric drill and an electric razor into the mix.” makes me wonder if Eddie got the idea from that since he liked the guy so much. This is from a website called Michael and spider.
Do like the fair warning album
I thought everyone knew Eddie painted the b/w Strat with red after all of the copies came out.....the one he called Frankie is the original b/w Strat ....AND Sammy Hagar tells the story of Ronnie Montrose giving Bill Church's wife the clap.....and Bill Church WAS diddling Ronnie's wife.
NOT a Strat . It was a Charvel defective body .
Great Interview . Drew, if you’re single, I’m DTF!!
Revere Beach!
He’s so brash but I love it 😆
Actually, I found him to be a bit rude in this interview and was quite surprised.
@@wisdomseeker3362 Drew?
I just noticed something on the work order for the Warner Brothers Studio ERUPTION WORK ORDER, kinda creepy but that Eruption work order was made on 10/4/77, Eddie died in 10/6/2020. 2 day difference but I will definitely remember that date now. Had it been on same day,that would be too freaky.
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