I had done as you did, grafted Saijo on Fuyu in couples of branches successfully. From the grafted results found, only the one grafted with the lowest branch would have Saijo fruit, and any other grafted on high branched still have Fuyu fruit. All fruit trees' grafts have the same result, must be grafted on the lowest branch. As scion shows the life with new bud, and have to remove all other leaves and small branches before it.
I've got a persimmon tree I'd love to graft. Mine is an older tree, and the fruit production has been hit and miss. I'm not sure what variety it is, but the fruit is a bit smaller and needs to be softer before you eat it. I'd love to graft fuyu onto it! Where do you get your scions?
I asked on a local gardening group. That might be your best option. You may be able to find some for sale at a nursery or eBay. I can send you scions as well - check my Patreon.
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Thanks for the video. I too like too cleft graft persimmons. Some of my grafts are 45 years old. I love persimmons trees because they are long lived (unlike semi-dwarf apple trees), no pruning, spraying and mostly no big seeds. I would like to try some new varieties of northern persimmons. Do you know of sources for ordering persimmon scion wood?
It happened to all my persimmons. I have 4 Fuyus and one Tane Nashi an astringent type. More or less about 5 years old now and a lot of fruits. So far I have not seen any drop.
They need to be close to the same type. Different types of apples will graft together, different types of stone fruits (apricots, peaches, plums I think). But fruits that are more different won't work.
So I just did my persimmon graft yesterday, I did like 5 or 6 of them on two different trees. About how long until they are grafted together? This is my second year trying it, last year I made the cuts wrong and I didn’t use parafilm or grafting tape I used the wrong tape, and I did not rubber band them together either, so no wonder it didn’t work, I’m hoping this is the year! Because my doctor has this one persimmon tree, he planted it like 20 years ago and he doesn’t know what type, but they are the best kind. They get like super big, bigger than oranges some as big as grapefruits, and you have to let them ripe before you can eat them, but anyways I’ve been trying to get my own tree started with those same persimmons because he sold the house where the tree is located, and I was able to go over there to get a few scions before the sale was final. So I really hope it works this year, otherwise I will be missing those persimmon.
@@theimpaler2317 no, it is best to cut the scion wood while the tree is dormant. Store it in a ziplock in the fridge. Then when the trees outside are starting to leaf out (about one full leaf unfurled), then graft.
Just wondering if you get a scion from a Fuyo a non astringent ang graft it to Saijo which is astringent type , will the fruit will come out non astringent? Thanks
Question: Can you graft male branches onto a female tree to make the tree bloom by itself? So for my example I want to plant 2 fruiting trees in my yard and then graft males onto each tree so I don't need 3 trees.
I’m also in western Washington and wondering what cultivars of persimmon do well here? I have planted 4 persimmons 2 years ago, one was a chocolate, but it died down to the ground and I’m not sure if it was grafted or not. The other 3 were American persimmon seedlings, 2 from same place and the other a different. Now I want to graft onto them next spring. Thank you for your time, Jon
I only have Sweet Fuyu and Nikitas gift that I know for sure do well here. I'm still trying to get Saijo. I have some grafts, but they are not fruiting.
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead Hi there! It's really valuable that you are honest about your experience. You said it yourself 40% success. Loose the rubber band, you really don't need it. Leave at least two buds in case for some reason you loose one of them. The place you choose to graft was followed by a longer branch- shorten the branch or make a half moon cut on the barck of the following branch to reduce the flow of juse going to it and get more juice for your graft. Do not cover the bud, especially with the rubber band, it is quite likely to damage it, instead, work your way around it. And last but not least splitting might be the easiest way to graft but definitely not the most successful. I honestly have no ill intentions and would be glad to help. English isn't my first language and I don't know the names of the other grafting methods which I would recommend, but as soon as I find them I'll let you know. Best regards!
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead ''Whip and Tongue'' is the technique that I mostly use and have over 90% success with. There are variations as well especially when the diameters are different, but now you have the name and a starting point of research and experiment. I use two, three other methods just trying to adapt myself to the situation at hand. Good luck and keep reading and experimenting!
This is awesome! My persimmons are so darn slow to take off. I am going to do this some day! Thanks for the great video!
Thank you.
I had done as you did, grafted Saijo on Fuyu in couples of branches successfully. From the grafted results found, only the one grafted with the lowest branch would have Saijo fruit, and any other grafted on high branched still have Fuyu fruit.
All fruit trees' grafts have the same result, must be grafted on the lowest branch. As scion shows the life with new bud, and have to remove all other leaves and small branches before it.
A new subscriber, I am going to try myself, thank you for sharing 👍🙏
Let me know how it goes!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! I will try this!
thanks for the walk-through. Very helpful. I will be trying your technique. I am subscribing and will be checking back to see more.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the info! Would love an update on if the graft took!?
Thanks for the comment! This particular graft did not take. The others, which I think I also showed in this video - 3 or 4 of them did take!
Good info.
It is understandable that too many buds on scion can be problematic but is it too much to leave two buds on scion when grafting?
How to get wild persimmon seeds?Very nice grafting.
You can get seeds out of store bought persimmons sometimes.
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead thanks
I've got a persimmon tree I'd love to graft. Mine is an older tree, and the fruit production has been hit and miss. I'm not sure what variety it is, but the fruit is a bit smaller and needs to be softer before you eat it. I'd love to graft fuyu onto it! Where do you get your scions?
I asked on a local gardening group. That might be your best option. You may be able to find some for sale at a nursery or eBay. I can send you scions as well - check my Patreon.
Please give us a update mate. I trying to do the same this spring in California. Thanks mates!!
Ok, will try to do an update video soon!
Espero ver las variedades de Jaqui lo mismo que la gran navaja que acaba de mostrar. No se,en Estados Unidos hay muy buenas variedades de caqui. Haber si echan buenos videos 😃 de ellos. Muchas gracias.
Was that a dormant scion? Kept in the fridge?
Yes
In which period and at which temperature can do this ?
do we use the 1-year branch on the 2-year
branch, or does 1 also work for 1 year? thank you
Thanks for the video. I too like too cleft graft persimmons. Some of my grafts are 45 years old. I love persimmons trees because they are long lived (unlike semi-dwarf apple trees), no pruning, spraying and mostly no big seeds. I would like to try some new varieties of northern persimmons. Do you know of sources for ordering persimmon scion wood?
Just curious if you experienced persimmon drop in years 2-4 before the tree started holding onto its fruit?
No, mine started producing the first year after I got it from the nursery.
It happened to all my persimmons. I have 4 Fuyus and one Tane Nashi an astringent type. More or less about 5 years old now and a lot of fruits. So far I have not seen any drop.
Can I graft to different types tree or need to be same types tree, thank you
They need to be close to the same type. Different types of apples will graft together, different types of stone fruits (apricots, peaches, plums I think). But fruits that are more different won't work.
So I just did my persimmon graft yesterday, I did like 5 or 6 of them on two different trees. About how long until they are grafted together? This is my second year trying it, last year I made the cuts wrong and I didn’t use parafilm or grafting tape I used the wrong tape, and I did not rubber band them together either, so no wonder it didn’t work, I’m hoping this is the year! Because my doctor has this one persimmon tree, he planted it like 20 years ago and he doesn’t know what type, but they are the best kind. They get like super big, bigger than oranges some as big as grapefruits, and you have to let them ripe before you can eat them, but anyways I’ve been trying to get my own tree started with those same persimmons because he sold the house where the tree is located, and I was able to go over there to get a few scions before the sale was final. So I really hope it works this year, otherwise I will be missing those persimmon.
I would say a month or two. It is best to graft when a few leaves have leafed out though, with persimmons. I hope it works for you!
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead oh ok sounds good, what about the scion do you leave the leaf on there? Or bud if it’s just starting to bud.
@@theimpaler2317 no, it is best to cut the scion wood while the tree is dormant. Store it in a ziplock in the fridge. Then when the trees outside are starting to leaf out (about one full leaf unfurled), then graft.
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead what do you mean dormant? Like before the tree starts to bud?
@@theimpaler2317 yes, before it starts to bud.
I would like to see your update video 🙂
Ok, will try to do that update video soon!
Just wondering if you get a scion from a Fuyo a non astringent ang graft it to Saijo which is astringent type , will the fruit will come out non astringent? Thanks
Yes, I believe so.
Question: Can you graft male branches onto a female tree to make the tree bloom by itself? So for my example I want to plant 2 fruiting trees in my yard and then graft males onto each tree so I don't need 3 trees.
I don't think you need males for persimmons. You only need males if you want your fruit to have seeds.
I’m also in western Washington and wondering what cultivars of persimmon do well here? I have planted 4 persimmons 2 years ago, one was a chocolate, but it died down to the ground and I’m not sure if it was grafted or not. The other 3 were American persimmon seedlings, 2 from same place and the other a different. Now I want to graft onto them next spring.
Thank you for your time, Jon
I like the Sweet Fuyu. Also Saijo. I’ve heard chocolate is very good.
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead And these all do well and ripen well here in PNW? Also, are all chocolate persimmon grafted or could mine be from seed?
I only have Sweet Fuyu and Nikitas gift that I know for sure do well here. I'm still trying to get Saijo. I have some grafts, but they are not fruiting.
I think you want to graft them. Otherwise, from seed, you might get a male tree with no fruit.
Can you do air layering to persimmon tree? Thank you 🙏
I don't think so! But it might be possible.
I didn't know you can graft an astringent variety like saijo on a non-astringent fuyu. Was it successful?
Yes! I have several successful grafts growing now!
I was successful on other trees but not persimmons.
In which month is this graph to be done?
Here in SW Washington state, late April or May works well. You want the tree to just start growing, and have one leaf fully unfurled.
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead thanks
Cool.. out of the blue after 2 years !!! what would be the best season for grafting in California ?
Right after the first leaf unfurls! Guessing about April.
my persimmon tree are from India. The rootstock of indian trees is different. So the tree does not grow.
Where do you get your scions?
From people on Facebook
This video could not be more misleading than it is. You my friend have a long way to go before teaching anybody at all!
Do you care to elaborate? I have successful grafts going and experience, which is what I'm sharing....
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead Hi there! It's really valuable that you are honest about your experience. You said it yourself 40% success. Loose the rubber band, you really don't need it. Leave at least two buds in case for some reason you loose one of them. The place you choose to graft was followed by a longer branch- shorten the branch or make a half moon cut on the barck of the following branch to reduce the flow of juse going to it and get more juice for your graft. Do not cover the bud, especially with the rubber band, it is quite likely to damage it, instead, work your way around it. And last but not least splitting might be the easiest way to graft but definitely not the most successful. I honestly have no ill intentions and would be glad to help. English isn't my first language and I don't know the names of the other grafting methods which I would recommend, but as soon as I find them I'll let you know. Best regards!
@@dimitarpenkov4377 Sounds great, thank you!
@@TheQuarterAcreHomestead ''Whip and Tongue'' is the technique that I mostly use and have over 90% success with. There are variations as well especially when the diameters are different, but now you have the name and a starting point of research and experiment. I use two, three other methods just trying to adapt myself to the situation at hand. Good luck and keep reading and experimenting!
You're wasting your time a very simple connetion that very basic American fan of talking