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The Problem With TikTok Street Photographers
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Finally, someone made a video about this. I'm so tired of seeing the same kinds of photos constantly.
You're welcome 🫡
@@huntercreatesthings dude thank you!!! It's a shame the algorithm is trending this type of content as "street" photography.
You’re tired of people expressing their hobby….just shows how gatekeepy and elitist the photography community is.
@@Neasyorc its just unoriginal and repetitive with annoying sounds, if they did something different sure but its all the same bro
@@Neasyorcand that’s not a bad thing
Street photography isn't about the people, it's about what the people are doing.
100000%
yes definitely. A lot of people mixing portraits with street photography is absurd.
This is the definition I actually like
It’s also a way that the photographer express himself
Sometimes after editing the photo change
Yeah I like to see it as capturing the banality of life
This trend should be called “street creepshots”
Quite possibly
"Street creep photography"
@@JezdziecBezNicka there's a photographer in LA with that handle on Ig
Yeah it feels like paparazzi.
Street photography is more like photojournalism rather than portraits. it's more in the style of Bresson and Riboud. Personally, the longest lens I will ever use for street would be 50. Anything longer will compress too much of the background, removing the enviroment, making it a portraiture
Agree. I usually use 28mm and 40mm :)
street photography is rock n roll, while this portrait in the streets stuff is pop
That's actually a fun comparision!
😂
Pap pop
I'd say street photography is punk rock
I once pointed that out on reddit post of the poster calling a random shot of a Ferrari in the city street photography and I got banned for being "pretentious".
Having seen this all over social media, it's made me actively avoid taking
pictures of women on many occasions.
It can be a concern yes
I made a point that a street photographer has to be more "playful" (engaged) in her daily interactions with human subjects - look for inspiration from the NY Photo League - and make a space for co-participation in your work. Just cause you have a camera doesn't mean you're any different from the people on the street - you make up the street as well.
I feel the same way!
HELLO! I aM a StReEt PhOtOgRaPhEr! - proceeds to do a posed photoshoot.
I am a street photographer - pulls out an 85000mm f0.01 lens...
hahahaha
Hahahahhaa
I've been against the street photography "gatekeepers" telling us how to shoot, what to shoot and what gear to shoot with in order to fit within someone's definition of street photography. However, you've made a completely valid point about the difference between street portraits and street photography. And I agree, they are different genres. I don't even like that the TikTok style street portrait videos have crept into the search algorithms for street photography. While I appreciate that those photographers enjoy what they are doing and get a lot of likes online, maybe it's time to break these styles into separate categories.
I'm glad you enjoyed!
absolutely agree. @huntercreatesthings has given a pretty solid definition of what street photography is at its core and that is absolutely compatible with a lot of styles. Street portraitists are more in the vein of internet fads like peopleofnewyork (for an old reference) and pov videos (for a more recent reference) the most important aspects of street photography (capturing the chaos at a point in time that resonates with you and being more narratively oriented through series) are totally absent of the street portraitists' process.
Let me push back a bit here.. Sorry to be grumpy but im old…. Street can be about people, look at Gilden, look at Gary’s later work, Arbus, et al. Street can be with a telephoto, see Beat Streuli, Parr and some of DiCorcia.. Street can be abstract like Saul’s work. Yes, you shouldn’t pose your subject like they are a model, that would go into another genre, but the BIG question should be IS IT GOOD? In the TokTokers case, NO. Making a great photo is very difficult, a body of work even more so. Let’s not try to better define the genre, but rather what defines GOOD WORK.
Great points! I also think this video in based a lot on "i think" and "its this" and its wrong. The exact statement at the beginning, the breaking of rules is what makes this genre so diverse. The fact that we get cought up in subgenres is the mistake. We shoot on the street, how we want, what we want and when we want. Thats all there is to it in terms of "street". Also, i dont know about others but when a lot of us started out, we used zooms because its not a comfortable thing to do at first. U started with a 70-200 equivalent and widened it to 50 eventually but it takes time. So no, i dont agree with this type of video where someone says what "thhey think" street photography is or should be.
Completely agree.
i mean at the end of the day definitions are inherently at least somewhat arbitrary, especially when it comes to more subjective things like art, which is why i think genre discussion is kinda pointless on a fundemental level in all honesty
Though I agree, I'd say the issue isn't so much "this is" or "this isn't" 'street', but more that "this isn't all what 'street' is or can be", while that if it's the only thing some people are seeing, it might be what they assume street 'is'. Of course, if it gets them into photography into any 'real' capacity, they're probably going to learn that street is much more varied, and if they like the portraiture side of it, they'll likely transition into that. Or if they like the street aspect, start varying their photographs and developing their own style in that direction more. Not sure there is a huge amount that can be done about it though. Pretty girls in natural every day settings is almost certainly going to catch the algorithm as it gets attention. More varied street photos is going to appeal to less people, so it's less likely to be seen.
I agree and disagree, I feel like this stuff does dilute street photographies meaning fullness to some extent. As mentioned in the video street is about a persons story and conveying it through a candid shot. Street portraiture’s like the one referenced are almost always gorgeous girls which attracts more views. There sometimes a story but the stories in the video not in the picture, oh she’s having a bad day let’s take some beautiful photos, but it’s not conveyed in the image it’s conveyed in the video. When I shoot street if I take a shot of a beautiful person, I usually don’t like the shot unless theirs something interesting about it other then just that they are pretty. I think you can do portrait street but you have to be very careful and want to convey a story not just take a gorgeous photo. Their are a couple portrait street photographers who do this well, almost non of them are on tiktok lol
Great post. I definitely blend the language for "portraits" and "street photography" a bit.
NOT a girls-in-sundresses shooter, but I see and agree with all your points.
I'll never get tired of the kitchen spoon.
Kitchen Spoon is here to stay
Maybe this is a bit of a stretch, but I think it goes back to the whole "vertical content" issue. I think people get so constricted with that vertical format where they think "oh, well I have to get vertical photos, so I am going to only take photos of a single person". They aren't pushing the boundaries of what they can do. Obviously there are street photographers taking great portrait street photos.
This same issue I find is occurring with car photography too where people aren't doing anything different, they just want to be "trendy".
Vertical content is such an insane innovation from a business perspective but I absolutely do not enjoy consuming it, or creating it.
Great analogy at the beginning. Street photography is like jazz. If you are serious about it, it can be the most difficult discipline in photography (imo) because you cannot control the environment and the elements when taking a photo with strict composition in mind. Although many think that when you are taking a photo in the streets, its already street photography for them which is not the case. These tiktok photography videos only have one thing: portrait shots with blurred background. Im sorry but majority of the shots aren't even good. It just "looks" good due to expensive gear and good looking people as subjects
Agree about the difficulty lol
This is such an interesting topic because there is always a fine layer of distinction between street portrait and street photography. To me street photography is like an empty canvas where you can paint your observation in the streets while having zero intervention with the subject... While street portrait is almost like a portrait painting. At the end of the day both of them is a form of ART so it's good that you mentioned that this is not gatekeeping but just clarifying that thin layer of distinction :D
Yeah, it's a tricky line to walk, and it was a little daunting to discuss as I'll inevitably ruffle some feathers somewhere.
99% of street photos on Social Media are nearly identical: lifeless and unoriginal, just the same scenes captured from different angles.
it's hard to tell a compelling story for sure
Agreed. Also, that's the best mic holder I've ever seen.
Much Appreciated
This is a discussion that needs to be put out there. Thank you for making this video Hunter.
Thank you for watching!
I totally agree with your opinions, there is a lot of difference between doing street photography and taking pictures on the street. There are a lot of people doing portraits on the street or urban landscaping and mistakenly calling it street photography.
Thanks! Glad you agree
Really love your work, I find your vids so engaging and also informative.
Thanks so much! It honestly is so cool that you're enjoying
I wouldn't consider what those TikTok creators are doing to be "street portraiture" either, since portraiture implies a certain approach and intent to taking the shot. And that approach typically involves getting the consent of the person you're photographing. And to me, at least, as a street portrait photographer, that consent is very important. Taking long zoom shots of random women means no consent and... questionable intentions.
fair points!
This was such a necessary discussion.
I'm glad you agree :)
thank you for making this video, i really liked how you said that photography is like getting to know the photographer that's exactly the way i feel. i shoot for myself first, sometimes its hard to explain "why" i like something.
I feel you for sure.
thank you for shining a light on this
Thanks for listening!
Completely agree here a good video detailed thank you for explaining the true Street photography
Glad you enjoyed!
Thx man, speaking from my heart in this video. Keep it up!
Appreciate it :)
I fully agree with your analysis of street photography. Your video highlights some of the forgotten dilemmas and perspectives on the genre 👌
Thanks!
Love the content! Keep it up
Thanks! Will do!
This ia a very interesting perspective! My view was definitely skewed by watching these photographers on TikTok, and I now have a greater appreciation for photography as an art form.
Glad you enjoyed!
I don't think it's a problem if people hide somewhere with their superzooms like perverts to photograph young pretty girls like a creep, just for God's sake, don't call it streetphotography. lol I think we should call it creepphotography from now on, that would be more fitting. Sounds similar and fits better. 👌
I definitely do think that in particular is a problem! I just wanted to ensure that I didn't hate on some genuinely great street portrait shooters on TikTok, which there are.
how about famous Garry Winogrand and many other men like him who secretly took pictures of young pretty girls on the street 50 years ago. why do we call their photographs art and show them in galleries but if someone does the same today he's a creep? Ridiculous
I disagree in some ways. I believe you can do street photography with a 400mm, but those photographers just have a poor choice of subjects when there are better subjects like the environment around them or just embarrassing moments of others goofing up. Continually focusing on only women is the creepy part.
Them making use believe most of these moments aren’t staged is ridiculous.
Yeah I don't jive with that
Thanks for this. Well told and thoughtful.
Thank you for watching!
thanks so much for this🌺
You're so welcome!
So needed to hear somebody say this, not just about the T-T crap, but all the random pictures of people just walking along a street that people are raving about as great street photography - no story, no feeling, no connection. Many just look like stills fro CCTV footage. Will check out more of your stuff.
Thanks!
Taking photos on the streets doesn’t make it “Street photography”
correct
This has made me realise why I like taking photos, I never really considered what made street photography different. Its the story, i have lots of kind of candids, but its the movement of the people I like, the idea that they're going somewhere. And usually theres another person/people i love capturing that there are multiple people in a fleeting world. And I never noticed those are the photos I love, so thank you.
Yes!!! That's the key
Great content. I feel like you have the best definition of street photography
Thank you!
Great video, Hunter. You said exactly what needed to be said!
Glad you think so!
Very well said!
Thank you!
hit subscribe immediately when I saw the mic
this channel is pure gold
Thank you so much!!!
I'd like to thank you! Really I do. I've been in a slump for a while now, since I was criticised horribly by someone who probably didn't understand the art style, and it affected me more than it should. The criticisms came across as rude remarks towards my style and devastated me, and I haven't been out doing photography at all. I'm glad to have come across your video and the way you speak about street photography, It's reminded me of why I fell in love with this art form in the first place, the idea or feeling behind a photograph is what I like to capture. I said to myself that my style often is that of what I generally feel when I see a moment that I capture. It's a shame what has become of street photography in viral media, but I'm glad there are people like you who still care and uphold the values of this style.
I'm so glad I could help!
A true photographer is being humble, and not boasting that he is a photographer, but like an invisible being unnoticed by his/her subjects.
I have a whole video about how to be invisible that you might like hahaha
The spoon mic adapter is gorgeous. Art by itself.
Hahaha thank you!
Thank you!
Thank you for watching!!
Thank you for making this video.
You're very welcome!
Glad a bigger account is addressing this. Subscribed.
First time I've been called a bigger account hell yeah haha, thanks for subbing!
You sound like ewan mcgregor lol. Now being serious, ty for the video, when i saw those kind of tiktoks it felt weir to me reading "street photography" when it didn't felt like that and i never knew why or what to really think about streetphotography and it became a little more clear now. Thank you for the discussion and putting examples of other phs to search for. Cool video 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Hey I'll take that, big fan of him! I'm glad you enjoyed :)
Fantastic breakdown!
Appreciate it :)
As a portrait photographer i thank you so much for this video)))
Theres a huge difference between being a "street photographer" and being a "photographer on the streets"
You're very welcome
thank you for making this video, so far I have the same concerns about “the original street photography” with street portraits done by reels or tiktok content creators.
but, what I'm still confused about is the difference between street photography and the human interest genre. maybe you can explain it in the next video
Interesting idea - I will look into it!
this discussion reminds me a lot of what Juan Brenner said during his B&H Photos Podcast episode, “Picturing World Cultures - Guatemala”: “People take pictures of Mickey Mouse, and Mickey Mouse cannot do anything, okay?So people in the Highlands are not Mickey Mouse.” One thing anyone should know is that when taking a picture of someone, you’re taking on the role of their advocate or greatest critic, and whichever you choose should be done faithfully.
I agree
Thanks for making this. I've been saying this for years and getting shot down. Tired of the street photography craze of people snapping randoms doing their shopping and slapping a blue hue on it and labelling themselves a street photographer who grades cinematically. No narrative, no use of light, colour or composition, no knowledge or meaning in what they are doing.
Street photography was historically an art of many forms and with wide boundaries, from capturing the moment, to a clever telling of a story, to the human element. Yes, people can be portrayed as the main focus but there has to be something that pulls you in and meaning behind it, after all, the best photos make us feel. We all have our paths of learning and that's understandable but I think this genre has gotten lazy and its mostly due to social media and the need for instant gratification..
That's a wonderful definition
Wow! Excellent (and inexpensive!) idea of clipping the Rode mike to some kitchen stuff :D Will def. do it myself - won't have to purchase anything "official".
Go for it!
I understand the sentiment, but I respectfully disagree.
To me, a Public Space + a Candid Moment = Street Photography. Take it and run with it.
We don’t have to like everything that people create within a genre, but it doesn’t make it any less authentic to the genre. If the photos are staged, then that’s a whole other story. But if it’s in a public space, and it’s documenting a candid moment, person, or thing, then it’s street to me. Of course there can be overlaps with other genres too, but it’s still street.
I think a problem is presented when without the context of the videos “showing” us that it’s candid, we wouldn’t always be able to tell from just the final photo. I do think that will be a challenge for this emerging sub-genre. Traditional street photography presents as a candid moment. And that’s sort of the magic of the genre. To casually, beautifully capture such seemingly raw moments. I’m not the biggest fan of this emerging “tik tok” style of street photography myself, but I wouldn’t dare try to exclude their work because it doesn’t fit a purist idea of what street should be.
Just my two cents. 🙏🏿
Fair enough :)
Not sure you know what candid means my dude 😅
Hi. I am a beginner in street photography photography and to me is a way I can freeze a specific moment. Do you think my definition is right? Also do you think it is okay to not always talk to the people/approach them that are in the frame? I have seen other video "How street photographers are invisible" that talked about that. Thank you for your response.
That's a great way to look at it - and yes, of course it's ok to remain unseen! 99% of my work is shot candid and the people in the photos don't know. Candids in public are hotly debated in terms of ethics, but my opinion is that with the right intentions and the right approach when it comes to sharing the photos, it can be a great tool for documenting the world.
This video has spoken to me. Thankyou. These are fantastic points.
You're so welcome!
Your channel is my new favorite on photography. Thanks for the vids.
Glad you enjoy it!
Great video!
Appreciate it :)
I’ve been waiting for someone to say this🙏🙏🙏 I love your content btw
Thank you!
great video!
Thank you!
Well said my man!
Thank you!
The microphone 😂
As amateur, I loved the explanation and took a little pride of "oh, I am doing something right! I am on my way"
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank god someone made this video
You're so welcome
Preach brother!!!
🙏
Thank god you said it! I was thinking the same thing!
Doing my part hahaha
😂 my approach to street photography was always to cosplay a crime scene investigator and try and find what’s out of place and oddities for a good while. Even now I usually only capture people as shadows or not faces. I feel extremely invasive randomly shooting people so they’re never my focus.
That's a great approach :)
Thanks, great video! I think you explained it in an incredibly didactic way but I think the difference between the types of photography is very clear. my point is: where are the real tiktok street photographers? What hashtags are they using? Are there not many creators like that there? Have we still not found a format that attracts the attention of users of this network? I've had this question for a while lol
I think that many street photographers are just not using short form - probably because, at least in my experience, having a GoPro strapped to you for an 8 hour shoot day where you might not even take one good photo is quite exhausting haha. There are loads of amazing street photographers here on UA-cam though!
I was going through my feed to cull my subscriptions. (I have way too many) I saw your video and was about to unsubscribe, but (as i always do) I thought I'd watch your latest video. I'm so glad i did. Fantastic video, easy listening and thought provoking. Never thought that I'd enjoy someone talking into a wooden spoon so much. Lol. On another thought process, i might have to take my 5x7 large format onto the street in the city where I live and see what I get.
Dude large format street photography would be awesome!
ill make sure to remove the #streetphotography from my videos from now on🤣🤣
Genuinely tho maybe worth throwing in #streetportraits
I am currently studying photography as my major, we had a project, to take "candid shots" on Iford 400 B&W. There is a moment between the photographer, camera and person (audience or spectator). that is indiscernible. for me, it's unfortunate to see people on TikTok using the street photography tag to take creepshots.
Yes!
I’ve had this exact discussion so many times in there “street photographers” TikToks and reels glad this people understand the damage this does to actual street photographers
Right!?
Thanks for this video! I got into shooting street from a photographer called Stephen DiRado and fell in love with his ability to create honest portraits though conversations with his subjects. I shot like that for a while but I've definitely recently felt pressured into creating "beautiful" photos bc of work I see while scrolling. Thanks again for the reminder that we're storytellers, capturing life.
I'm glad you enjoyed!
THANKS! Finally somebody said it :D
I am a professional yapper after all
People these days have camera in their pockets so it's so easy to grow the urge of making one object looks good, from taking photos of Starbucks coffee cups to a friend pulling up a peace sign beside a sunset. The trend felt like it's more about bragging a person's self to me these years.
I think it's often forgotten that, there is a huge genre that make photos speaks more then that, or even it was meant to be not just documenting but makes emotional reaction a thing in the first place. That's why some people can direct a movie, and most ppl cannot.
100%
absolutely agree, I think we need to create a new word for those "TikTok street photography" so people won't mess those with the street photography in narrow sense, it's like art, and fine art.
Perhaps that is the way
ok two thing 1. seeing this reminds me of this time I saw a street musician in sarasota and I was too scared to go up to him and ask for his photo so I missed that chance, sad but a good learned from memory. also o do not but also kinda do recommend trying shoot from a moving car, its difficult but fun.
2. I shoot on digital, im a beginner kind of? ive been doing this for like three years but im young so its a weird in between of not being able to go anywhere except my own backyard. But um my biggest issue with shooting digital is when I transfer the photos from the card to my Mac, it changes how they look, sometimes for the better sometimes for worse. What do y'all think that is? My gear is a Canon rebel t3i Eos. for the photos that I shot, I shot them all on RAW and I keep losing contrast and certain colors. Like I had this one really nice one that had all these oranges and blues and greens and it completely flattened it. Is it my gear or my settings?
if you are opening them in Preview on a mac, it uses the embedded JPG file in the RAW, whereas if you open them in lightroom, it will by default process the RAW in Adobe Colour, so that might be the discrepancy! You can make the RAW look more like the back screen of your camera by opening it in lightroom and going to the edit page, profiles, and use the appropriate Canon one from the "camera matching" section
@@huntercreatesthings ok, uh new question, what is Lightroom?
The tiktok photos you were showing come across as paparazzi shots of commoners instead of celebrities. Yeah, that doesn't feel good.
Right!? Very much paparazzi style
WORD! THANKS!
You're very welcome :) thanks for watching!
I like this video! I lilke the way you hold the mic!
Hahaha thank you!
The wooden spoon though 😂
Never fails hahaha
THANK YOU for standing up for all of us photographers!
Btw, I'm sure some of those so called "street photography" videos on TikTok are scripted.
Most definitely. Thank you for watching!
The thing that's interesting about this is that even though street portraits do exist these feel less like street portraits and more like paparazzi photos. They're very flat and very soulless.
Yeah very much like paparazzi for some reason
Wonderful video,
I enjoy your approach on this subject, specially since you talk about it from the creative side.
Lately many people are creating more contain for social media and less artwork. I vicious cycle to get likes and follower, but does not help to improve on how you see your self in the work you create.
Sorry if my message is a bit confusing, It's coffee time for me and I am not yet awake.
But I think commenting on people creation will put social back in social media.
anyway your video made me take some note, so that is a good thing.
Thank you!
i love your mic
Thank you hahaha
mega AMEN to this
Thanks for watching!
Very well worded. I also think people misunderstand photography and heavily edited pictures
Thanks!
Storytelling and the process of creating are what make a huge difference between Tiktokers and the real street photographers especially who are accepted internationally. If people see how they create their work, it will totally blew their minds.
Those Tiktokers are just like paparazzi with post processing. Consent is also the thing to talk about.
Agree - storytelling is key
This is a touchy subject, but I completely agree. Its annoying when I cee them and typically block them when I see them post this trend.
Glad you agree!
Love the spatula mic 🎤
Thank you!
I'm a farm photographer, I take photos of specially trained barn animals with my Canon Eos R to pose in front of the Empire State Building, and they're totally improvised! The cows and chickens are NOT MODELS. It's all improvised, I swear, I'm just very good at it!
Ever done sheep or mostly just cows and chickens?
I studied history of art a number of years ago and it was never called street photography - it was introduced as Reportage Photography, a photo journalistic approach which aims to tell a story through imagery. To me that means it doesn't need a model as it's subject, but it does need a narrative. As you point out, a long lens zoom of a girl walking down the street has little to no story, it is just a portrait.
but people can be reportage, look at how a good wedding or events photographer shoots the little details around the event and not just the main event itself.
Yeah, a lot of people forget that many of the big names in street photography were mainly press photogs
Somewhat off topic but I think it might be a really cool concept to first take a photo of someone unaware of you living their daily life than approach them to take a more relaxed intimate photo. Like showing the difference in the face we present the world vs the face we present a freind
not a bad idea tbh
Those TikToks looked like the kind of photos that would end up on the front page of a high gloss celebrity scandal magazine (the scandal being “ Oh Em Gee did you see her wearing the same shoes two days in a row?!”)
100%
have my like - just because of the spatula mic :D
My sincerest thank you hahaha
You say that the street photography represented on TikTok is not actual street photography. I say that the way TikTokkers hold their lav mics, which you seem to be mimicking, is not good microphone technique.
It sounds great and it's funny. Could I boom an MKH50 overhead and run it into a SD MixPre, like I do in my professional work? Yes. Would it be as funny? No.
You touched on some similar stuff i talk about in my short titles "photographers are f#cking Creeps" very thoughtful piece subbed 🎉
Just watched it and I agree!
@@huntercreatesthings Thank you Hunter!
honestly i feel u, I took a class for photography so that I could learn flash techniques and how to work with flash but 70% of the time was us just doing what the lecturer specialized or prefered in photography, he said street potraiture was street fashion and it blew my mind with how 60% of what he thought was utter preferance,....................
That's all too common unfortunately. Best way to learn flash, or any photography technique, is to just try it until it works
@@huntercreatesthings very true, had high hopes considering im attending a rather prestigous university in the top 100 global rankings. Thought the classes would be good but in all honesty, its kinda trash and is really too basic and most of the skills i learnt are from experience over anything else.........
After seeing this video, it made me look back at my "Street Photography" shots and I can safely say that 2/3 of my shots is street portraiture.
I mainly drew my inspiration from the old street photography videos from digitalrev, which arguably featured a lot of street portraiture instead of street photography. However i think my street photos usually featured portraits of people going on about their day and I tried to find an interesting person who did an interesting thing at that exact moment. So I guess its kind of half street portraiture and half street photography-ish.
Ever since I saw those TikTok videos on Instagram, I immediately frown as these people basically took no efforts with their shots with their tele lens.
I think street photography works best with standard to wide prime lenses because you're always gonna be in the same space as your subjects. Insteas of being a creep taking pictures of a person from across the street
Also, almost all of those tiktok "street photographers" are using Sony Alpha. Not sure why or the logic behind it, but that's what I noticed.
Agree
I have the creative ability of a bullfrog. That has not stopped me spending the last 60 years taking photographs of people in the city, slums, homeless, tribal, township in addition to anything else that interests me. I difference I see is I try to engage with my subjects, get their details and send them the image. I did not know that "street photography" existed until I discovered You Tube during 2020 Covid lockdowns.
Nice!
I fully agree with it.
damn so many portrait called street photography these days
I'm glad you agree :)
I agree with you but at the same time, we are definitely gatekeeping
Maybe - but I like to think of it as providing guidance