The thing here was, when Sidious said "When I told you that you could have anything you want, did you think I was excluding my life?" He meant it. Later insight by Mace Windu revealed that Sidious' shatterpoint, his only vulnerability, was that he TRUSTED Anakin, completely, and put all of his faith in him.
Friend he manipulated from the very begin to be his ultimate pawn, that he then was going to discard in a hardbeat as soon as he found someone just as strong (Luke).
@@_MaZTeR_ Mustufar Darth Vader is weaker than Luke as far as force potential goes, also being a Sith itself 1. Isnt a crime 2. Theres no solid proof Anakin has to link Palpatine to Sidious other than him privately admitting to being a Sith Lord or that he has been controlling both sides of the war. Legally speaking they have no recourse if push came to shove illegally well we saw in the films how thay went... Mace should have waited for Yoda to come back him and Yoda woukd have won
Palpatine: "do you remember the story i told you of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" Star Wars Fans: "OMG YES THE TRAGEDY OF DARTH PLAGUEIS THE WISE!" Anakin: "umm... I think so?"
"Anakin, when I told you you could have anything you want, did you think I was excluding my life?" My God, Palpatine was written so well in this book. The manipulation, the temptation, the absolute monster hiding behind that warm, grandfatherly face, every word out of his mouth was so deliciously calculated and vile. Every word he spoke was breaking Anakin down little by little, until he finally sunk his hooks in and struck at Skywalker's lowest point, all while orchestrating the greatest coup de tat in galactic history. George often compared Palpatine to the Devil, but Stover is the one who actually made me believe it.
Yeah when you don't have a timer to tell your 2-hour story and you have the luxury of extending out a scene for as long as you like with as much detail as you like because you're writing a novel it's much easier to have better dialogue and better descriptions
@rejvaik00 I do think the general phrasing was better in the novel, not just the pacing. Though, I honestly think the film could've stood to be a full hour longer. The Prequels, especially III, really could've benefitted from a Lord of the Rings-length runtime to tell the story George was going for. He limited himself way too much.
@@jaffarebellion292 in addition to the limitations of the runtime of a film there's also budgeting, actor's schedules, transportation logistics, lodging accommodations, security, lighting, costume designers, make up, the catering company, etc. all of these you have to balance in a film project You don't have to balance it to such a degree when writing a novel Merely budgeting the time you put into it for further and further artistic refinement The luxury of extending out a scene is what generally makes novel adaptations better than films in this regard for because it's just that they can extend a scene for 100 pages if they needed giving all descriptive detail and dialogue they want You just can't do that in a film project things have to be cut
In the novel, before Palpatine reveals himself as Sidious, he starts offering some luxury ships and an apartment with Padme if I recall and Anakin was like "wtf, how do can you do that?" The part was cut from this clip.
@@rejvaik00 Considering that this was THE emotional crux of Anakin's story and the sealing of the fate of the galaxy... I would NOT have begrudged George at all for making this sequence slow and impactful like in the Novel.
This novel was absolutely superb. It wasn't until reading/listening to this that I came to appreciate the turmoil and exhaustion Anakin was in & how Palpatine spent as much time getting him to that point as he had mentoring him. This scene also paints a more accurate depiction of Anakin's fall to the dark. In the movies we can almost forgive him for it, as it seems to be spur of the moment and driven by an extreme, emotional state. Beginning here and ending with him being named Darth Vader, we see that Anakin's fall was a conscious decision(though he had been groomed to make that decision). For me, him turning to the dark by way of a thoughtful decision versus a rash one, better reveals the mastery of Palpatine's manipulation & the dark that was always present in side of Anakin.
"And when they execute me, will there be justice? Peace?" "They wouldn't..." "Well, I hope of course you're right, Anakin. But forgive me, if I don't share your blind fate in your Jedi comrades. I suppose we arrive at the question of loyalty in the end. That's the question you must ask yourself, my boy: does your loyalty lie with the Jedi or the Republic?" "That's... it's not like that." "Maybe not. Maybe the question is rather: do you love Obi-wan more than your wife. Take your time! Meditate on it! I'll still be here, once you've made your decision."
You know, as far as turning or corrupting a hero goes, this shows how to arrange for such a thing from a writing perspective: It's not just about being able to offer them something they want (ex. saving the ones you love), but having the bad guy be able to look the hero in the eye and say "you can tell everyone how straight and narrow you are. You can pretend to them all. You can pretend to yourself. But you can't pretend to me. I know that part of you that you don't want anyone to see, the part you were taught to keep down all your life. You don't need to do that with me. I want you to let it out. I see what you've desperately been hiding in shame, despite it being a gift. And I will happily help you unleash it"
I can’t help but agree with most of what Palpatine is telling Anakin. The Jedi never gave their padawan’s a choice, they just took them from their families and indoctrinate them into their order. Of course I don’t approve of his schemes and actions, but even Palpatine makes some valid points. Palpatine is such a great manipulator.
Your forgetting one thing! Your not bound to stay with the Jedi! Dooku left and he came to the Jedi younger than Anakin! All organization and institutions indoctrinate! The moment Palpatine told Anakin told he was the Sith, logic and commonsense should have kicked in for Anakin. It didn't, because Anakin was led by his emotions. Palpatine was behind everything which includes the attempts on Padme life. If your thinking with common, he was never going to help you to save her. He only was telling you things, to control and us you, to get his way!
@@arronfrazier7873 The Jedi lost their way a long time ago, they used to follow the will of the force instead of allowing themselves to become enforcers for corrupt politicians. The problem with your point is that those kids never knew any other life but the Jedi order, nobody asked them if they wanted that kind of life it was chosen for them.
The crazy thing is that you can’t even disagree with Sidious. Everything he is saying is right because he’s just acknowledging completely real and legitimate circumstances/concerns/problems the Jedi have within their order and with anakin specifically. He was also savvy enough to put himself in the opposite position, be the salvation from the Jedi’s restrictions. It’s here that you really see how good of a tyrant Sidious actually is. He’s very similar to Hitler, in that he will point out real problems in the current system and use them as pretenses and justifications to offer solutions to people’s problems, which in practice are just political moves that serve only to increase his power. He’ll play on people’s worse and most vulnerable qualities: fear, resentment, confusion, frustration, anger, bitterness, hopelessness, etc, to control their behavior by convincing them he can solve their problems. Sidious is just too damn smart to be engage with. If you watch the movie “Look whose back” Hitler gives a compelling speech on live television that is near impossible to disagree with and people start falling for it, but we have the context of knowing it’s literally Hitler and nothing good can come of this. Sidious is the same way. He’s too damn smart. Nothing short of assassination can stop this guy.
@@jmwilliamsart it was they Jedi council fault,events could have being prevented in revenge of the sith,Jedi of clone wars time period where idiots and flaw I mean they did not have a backup plan after finding out dooku created the clones
@@buntsbooks honestly I think it’s top tier voice acting as well. On par with J Davis. I think that Luceno’s writing is so linguistic and the syntax so advanced that Daniel Davis was the perfect fit to read the project. I actually couldn’t believe Luceno was American when I looked him up because I just assumed with his writing style that he was English 😅
I like how Sidious uses Anakin's own wishes against him, he grew so dependent on Sidious that he became untouchable. And the dialogue is revealing yet subtle, there's no escaping this trap.
The RotS movie had a total runtime of 2 hours and 20 minutes. Would it have been so bad to add another few minutes to it to include this powerful bit of dialogue? Or am I just being greedy?
@@buntsbooks Thank goodness for that. I guess it’s for the best. Hearing Jonathan Davis’ narration and voice work is still a decent way to listen to the story. 👍🏼
Because a movie has a 2-hour time limit they can't stretch out scenes like this and include every single piece of dialogue with every descriptive detail and keep moving the plot forward When you're writing a novel you have the luxury of time you can stay in a scene for as long as you like with as much description as you like You can't do that in a film
The thing here was, when Sidious said "When I told you that you could have anything you want, did you think I was excluding my life?" He meant it. Later insight by Mace Windu revealed that Sidious' shatterpoint, his only vulnerability, was that he TRUSTED Anakin, completely, and put all of his faith in him.
What’s even better is Mace’s shatterpoint was right because Anakin ended up killing Sidious because he thought Vader wouldn’t betray him.
This has to be the greatest piece of dialogue that we never got 😮😭
We got the book.
This is some next level manipulation and gaslighting. You gotta give him props for planning everything so perfectly
"I should kill you. I WILL kill you!"
"For what?"
"You're a Sith Lord!"
"I am. I am also your friend."
Gives me chills every time
Friend he manipulated from the very begin to be his ultimate pawn, that he then was going to discard in a hardbeat as soon as he found someone just as strong (Luke).
@@_MaZTeR_ Mustufar Darth Vader is weaker than Luke as far as force potential goes, also being a Sith itself 1. Isnt a crime 2. Theres no solid proof Anakin has to link Palpatine to Sidious other than him privately admitting to being a Sith Lord or that he has been controlling both sides of the war. Legally speaking they have no recourse if push came to shove illegally well we saw in the films how thay went... Mace should have waited for Yoda to come back him and Yoda woukd have won
Palpatine: "do you remember the story i told you of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"
Star Wars Fans: "OMG YES THE TRAGEDY OF DARTH PLAGUEIS THE WISE!"
Anakin: "umm... I think so?"
"Anakin, let's talk...." 🔥
"Anakin, when I told you you could have anything you want, did you think I was excluding my life?"
My God, Palpatine was written so well in this book. The manipulation, the temptation, the absolute monster hiding behind that warm, grandfatherly face, every word out of his mouth was so deliciously calculated and vile. Every word he spoke was breaking Anakin down little by little, until he finally sunk his hooks in and struck at Skywalker's lowest point, all while orchestrating the greatest coup de tat in galactic history. George often compared Palpatine to the Devil, but Stover is the one who actually made me believe it.
Yeah when you don't have a timer to tell your 2-hour story and you have the luxury of extending out a scene for as long as you like with as much detail as you like because you're writing a novel it's much easier to have better dialogue and better descriptions
@rejvaik00 I do think the general phrasing was better in the novel, not just the pacing. Though, I honestly think the film could've stood to be a full hour longer. The Prequels, especially III, really could've benefitted from a Lord of the Rings-length runtime to tell the story George was going for. He limited himself way too much.
@@jaffarebellion292 in addition to the limitations of the runtime of a film
there's also budgeting, actor's schedules, transportation logistics, lodging accommodations, security, lighting, costume designers, make up, the catering company, etc. all of these you have to balance in a film project
You don't have to balance it to such a degree when writing a novel
Merely budgeting the time you put into it for further and further artistic refinement
The luxury of extending out a scene is what generally makes novel adaptations better than films in this regard for because it's just that they can extend a scene for 100 pages if they needed giving all descriptive detail and dialogue they want
You just can't do that in a film project things have to be cut
In the novel, before Palpatine reveals himself as Sidious, he starts offering some luxury ships and an apartment with Padme if I recall and Anakin was like "wtf, how do can you do that?" The part was cut from this clip.
@@rejvaik00 Considering that this was THE emotional crux of Anakin's story and the sealing of the fate of the galaxy... I would NOT have begrudged George at all for making this sequence slow and impactful like in the Novel.
This novel was absolutely superb. It wasn't until reading/listening to this that I came to appreciate the turmoil and exhaustion Anakin was in & how Palpatine spent as much time getting him to that point as he had mentoring him. This scene also paints a more accurate depiction of Anakin's fall to the dark. In the movies we can almost forgive him for it, as it seems to be spur of the moment and driven by an extreme, emotional state. Beginning here and ending with him being named Darth Vader, we see that Anakin's fall was a conscious decision(though he had been groomed to make that decision). For me, him turning to the dark by way of a thoughtful decision versus a rash one, better reveals the mastery of Palpatine's manipulation & the dark that was always present in side of Anakin.
"And when they execute me, will there be justice? Peace?" "They wouldn't..." "Well, I hope of course you're right, Anakin. But forgive me, if I don't share your blind fate in your Jedi comrades. I suppose we arrive at the question of loyalty in the end. That's the question you must ask yourself, my boy: does your loyalty lie with the Jedi or the Republic?" "That's... it's not like that." "Maybe not. Maybe the question is rather: do you love Obi-wan more than your wife. Take your time! Meditate on it! I'll still be here, once you've made your decision."
It tells the same story as the film but yet so different, it’s just so impressive that it’s so much better
You know, as far as turning or corrupting a hero goes, this shows how to arrange for such a thing from a writing perspective: It's not just about being able to offer them something they want (ex. saving the ones you love), but having the bad guy be able to look the hero in the eye and say "you can tell everyone how straight and narrow you are. You can pretend to them all. You can pretend to yourself. But you can't pretend to me. I know that part of you that you don't want anyone to see, the part you were taught to keep down all your life. You don't need to do that with me. I want you to let it out. I see what you've desperately been hiding in shame, despite it being a gift. And I will happily help you unleash it"
I can’t help but agree with most of what Palpatine is telling Anakin. The Jedi never gave their padawan’s a choice, they just took them from their families and indoctrinate them into their order. Of course I don’t approve of his schemes and actions, but even Palpatine makes some valid points. Palpatine is such a great manipulator.
Your forgetting one thing! Your not bound to stay with the Jedi! Dooku left and he came to the Jedi younger than Anakin! All organization and institutions indoctrinate! The moment Palpatine told Anakin told he was the Sith, logic and commonsense should have kicked in for Anakin. It didn't, because Anakin was led by his emotions. Palpatine was behind everything which includes the attempts on Padme life. If your thinking with common, he was never going to help you to save her. He only was telling you things, to control and us you, to get his way!
@@arronfrazier7873 The Jedi lost their way a long time ago, they used to follow the will of the force instead of allowing themselves to become enforcers for corrupt politicians. The problem with your point is that those kids never knew any other life but the Jedi order, nobody asked them if they wanted that kind of life it was chosen for them.
The crazy thing is that you can’t even disagree with Sidious. Everything he is saying is right because he’s just acknowledging completely real and legitimate circumstances/concerns/problems the Jedi have within their order and with anakin specifically. He was also savvy enough to put himself in the opposite position, be the salvation from the Jedi’s restrictions. It’s here that you really see how good of a tyrant Sidious actually is. He’s very similar to Hitler, in that he will point out real problems in the current system and use them as pretenses and justifications to offer solutions to people’s problems, which in practice are just political moves that serve only to increase his power. He’ll play on people’s worse and most vulnerable qualities: fear, resentment, confusion, frustration, anger, bitterness, hopelessness, etc, to control their behavior by convincing them he can solve their problems.
Sidious is just too damn smart to be engage with. If you watch the movie “Look whose back” Hitler gives a compelling speech on live television that is near impossible to disagree with and people start falling for it, but we have the context of knowing it’s literally Hitler and nothing good can come of this. Sidious is the same way. He’s too damn smart. Nothing short of assassination can stop this guy.
Palpatine is a master manipulator.
@@buntsbooksjust like merrit rook in law and order authority
I also can’t help but agree with everything Palpatine (Sidious) said, even villains can make valid points and truthful statements.
@@jmwilliamsart it was they Jedi council fault,events could have being prevented in revenge of the sith,Jedi of clone wars time period where idiots and flaw I mean they did not have a backup plan after finding out dooku created the clones
Both of them are right.
So much better than the movie
This a lot of dialogue and it's not good to put all of this in a movie scene
The actual movie scene is a concentrate of pure evil manipulation
@@jimcorleone7861 That's not true.
If all of this was in the movie it would be 48hrs movie.
“HA HA HA HA … A BOLD claim.” -Dooku
Masterpiece.
Palpatine revealing himself is a lot more powerful than what happened in the movie
Is this read by Jonathan Davis??? The same one who read the Bane trilogy? Sounds so much like Farfalla
Yes, this is read by Johnathan Davis.
Love Marc Thompson I really do, but J Davis is the 🐐
@@cosinguspalpatine4449 They're both very good. What are your thoughts on Daniel Davis, who read the Darth Plagueis audiobook?
@@buntsbooks honestly I think it’s top tier voice acting as well. On par with J Davis. I think that Luceno’s writing is so linguistic and the syntax so advanced that Daniel Davis was the perfect fit to read the project. I actually couldn’t believe Luceno was American when I looked him up because I just assumed with his writing style that he was English 😅
@Cosingus Palpatine 444 that just shows how amazing the man is. He's my favorite author.
I like how Sidious uses Anakin's own wishes against him, he grew so dependent on Sidious that he became untouchable. And the dialogue is revealing yet subtle, there's no escaping this trap.
There's a lot of dialogue cut from this audiobook.
Another example of bringing that scene even more life, emotion, and insight to how sheev got the name Sidious
Just from how much more meticulously he grooms Anakin here
Sheev is his name only in Disney universe, not the expanded universe.
This is really good the way you did that 💯💯💯💯💯
Why… why was this not the original script?
Not sure. Maybe It had to be cut down to fit with the timing of the film.
noah, don't be childish. the book came after the film
Before, I bought the book months before the movie came out.
You should consider posting this in full as well.
Holy shit,
The books go so much harder than the movies its unreal.
Jonathan Davis rocks!
Vladimir Lem the Sith Lord
When you realize how much better Starwars would have been as a TV series based on these books then even the films in most cases
That is the first thing to be done, after Disney forever loses the rights to Star Wars - and possible finally be bankrupt altogether.
What audiobook is this from, and by that I mean, who is the narrator.
Jonathan Davis.
(Did you think when I told you could have anything that it excluded my life)
So epic
The RotS movie had a total runtime of 2 hours and 20 minutes. Would it have been so bad to add another few minutes to it to include this powerful bit of dialogue? Or am I just being greedy?
I mean, I get what you mean, but a movie can not have everything. That's why novelizations exist.
@@buntsbooks Thank goodness for that. I guess it’s for the best. Hearing Jonathan Davis’ narration and voice work is still a decent way to listen to the story. 👍🏼
@@falseseto3892 Jonathan Davis is one of the best narrators when it comes to Star Wars novels. He's up there with Marc Thompson and Daniel Davis.
Yes, you are greedy and impractical. The novel would require 2 movies instead of 1
Why didn’t we have this in the movie 😮
Because a movie has a 2-hour time limit they can't stretch out scenes like this and include every single piece of dialogue with every descriptive detail and keep moving the plot forward
When you're writing a novel you have the luxury of time you can stay in a scene for as long as you like with as much description as you like
You can't do that in a film
Its fitting the arguably most evil character in Starwars was a ginger (young Palpatine not Hux)
The novel is so much BETTER than the movie!!! The movie feels like a HASTE production.
I wish palpatine cared for Anakin at least a little bit...but I guess it's better him just being pure evil
Theres a chance Palpatine was planning to use Anakin in a similar way Orochimaru sought to use Sasuke. In otherwords transfer to possess Anakin's body