You Bet Your Life #57-09 John Charles Thomas attacks Rock and Roll ('Room', Dec 5, 1957)
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2013
- Groucho joins in with some impromptu harmony as popular vocalist John Charles Thomas sings a song about golf at 10:12. Groucho had quite a good ear for harmony-- he and his fellow Marx brothers started their career as a singing group called "The Four Nightingales". Another highlight here is Groucho dancing with Beverly Adlund as she sings "All Shook Up" at 12:00.
The rest of the first couple's segment consists of a debate over the artistic worth of Rock and Roll music. Groucho calls a volunteer down from the audience, Roberta Rene, to take up the defense. She turns out to be the head of the Elvis Presley fan club! This had to have been set up in advance, it's too big a coincidence.
During the quiz, John Charles Thomas steps out in favor of a serviceman from the audience, Terry O'Neil.
COUPLE #1: Beverly Adlund / John Charles Thomas, popular baritone
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Episode identification and basic description based on "Tell 'em Groucho Sent You", © 1997 by Mark Petty. Used by permission. - Комедії
There’s too many amazing things happening here to name them all. Incredible!
Absolutely!
11:00 The girl who likes to Jitterbug is Beverly Elaine Aadland (September 16, 1942 - January 5, 2010) an American film actress. She appeared in films including South Pacific. As a teenager, she co-starred in the Errol Flynn film Cuban Rebel Girls, and had a relationship with him. Ref: Wikipaedia
I must say, Groucho really came just perfectly in with the harmony here. They sounded like they had been singing duets for years. :)
Yes, he's wonderful-- Groucho started his career as a singer, and the Marx Bros started out as a singing group, so it makes sense he had such a great ear for harmony.
+SuperWinterborn Each of the Marx boys was a talented musician and well versed in performing on stage since they were kids.
SuperWinterborn i
They were really talented in those days . . They had to be, to get anywhere. Unlike--ahem--today . . .
Interesting episode and great to see young Beverly Aadland who we sadly lost in 2010 from a complication of diabetes however she had lived a full and happy life.Thanks for the posting!!
Groucho's dance during All Shook Up cracks me up. Especially that last little move he does as he heads back to his desk.
DAMM GROUCHO MARX WAS ONE OF GREATEST OF ALL
Love these old shows.
I love Groucho's little jitterbug routine to "All Shook Up"!
Albert Hay Malotte composed the melody to The Lord’s Prayer. He was a friend of Thomas, who sung it often on radio broadcasts and in concert. Golfer’s Lament shows a lighter side of Thomas and Malotte. John Charles Thomas was known as one of the best dressed men of his time. It is different seeing him in a western shirt and tie.
You can't be a member of the Elvis Presley Club... where is your sideburns?! haha
I've heard this episode many times on audio tape since I bought it in 1988 but it's the first time I've actually seen a TV recording.
I first heard it in 1987, on a cassette with three YBYL episodes from Radio Reruns/Adventures in Cassettes.
Now what ?
2nd appearance of Nicco Romanos as the duck's stand in!
John Charles Thomas (September 6, 1891[1] - December 13, 1960) was a popular American opera, operetta and concert baritone. John Charles Thomas was born in Meyersdale, Pennsylvania. He was the son of a Methodist minister of Welsh descent while his mother, of German immigrant stock, had been an amateur singer. After studying initially for a medical career, Thomas won a scholarship to the Peabody Institute in Baltimore in 1910. He remained there for two years, receiving vocal tuition from Adelin Fermin.
He seemed like a nice man.
That's such good information. He was great. He also appeared as a guest on many famous radio shows, such as guesting with Bing Cosby and Al Jolson in the late 1940's. Such a talented (and from what I've heard a very nice man)man is deeply missed. RIP
What's "vocal tuition?" Do you mean tutelage?
Mr. John Charles Thomas did a great job with his song 🎵 👏 👌
I absolutely love him
21m53s Groucho "put your tongue in" he said what everyone was thinking.
This man Thomas was one of the great 20th century concert artists. A masterful singer.
13:33 I love the generation gap never changes. This was from a 1957 episode and the young girl like rock and roll the older gentleman liked "good" music.
Also that contestant stepped down to let a younger service man win some money.
Exactly it. This same generation gap stuff persists between generations to this very day. The culture, music along with it, has been evolving for quite a while, I'd say at least back into the 19th Century . . And today[8-10-23], it's faster than ever, with AI and climate catastrophe approaching . . .
OMG. Right after I posted the first one, Ms. Rene makes many of the same points 17:10 . .
Groucho dancing...nothing better.
8:00 Great song about golf.
8m1s - from what's I've read about his golf in his son's book "My life with Groucho" this song accurately describes Groucho's golf skills.
An interesting music debate.
I can appreciate the music the baritone was fond of, but I can also appreciate the new music of the time and this was filmed before I was born.
Mozart and Beethoven wrote great music, but Elvis was a great performer and singer.
the log is ordered from the radio broadcasts which always aired first in that week.
Roberta Rene is the president of the SAN DIEGO CHAPTER of the Elvis Fan Club, I heard her say that in the episode after this one (which I happened onto first).
Okay, I am a High School teacher - this WOMAN is in high school!?!?!? Holy wow!
Outstanding
Mr. Thomas looks like Robert Young. Are they related? That smile!
16m14s 1 finger driving safety course. Off camera she simultaneously changed gears with her nose whilst applying lipstick.
Elvis became ...truth and it's 2020 and this song is still relevant 63 years later. Just like Jerry Lee Lewis 'Great ball of fire'' Johnny Cash "Burnin ring of fire' this gentleman was right about music. This girl would be 80 if still alive b.1940.
When a few people in the audience applauded John Charles Thomas's mention of Frostburg, MD, Groucho made the quip that there were a few people in the audience from Australia who were applauding everything. Of all the countries in the world, Groucho picked the one where Errol Flynn was born and raised. One can only wonder if that was a total coincidence, a product of his subconscious mind or a zinger from his mischievous side.
Tasmania is an Australian state. They are the same country.
No wonder the poor soldier looks perplexed by Groucho's question 26:46 "the worlds first atomic pile was located under the stadium of a great university.....?!?!" Location near centre Chicago 41°47′33″N 87°36′4″W
Miss Aadland (just 15 here - b. sept. of '42) looks a little like Noelle Neil here.
0:51 I wonder where I got the term 'smackola', which I have used for years . . Probably not from Groucho, for these shows aired when I was just a child, then quit in 1961. But I believe the term was common by my youth . .
"Don't miss Chrysler Corporation's big TV show ["CLIMAX!"], on another network {CBS},"
He sang that at Bohemian Grove interesting 🤔
Hard to believe Beverly Aadland was only 15 years old here. She looks more like in her mid-20’s. Evidently, people back then aged faster biologically.
I don’t think it was a case of people ageing faster biologically back then. Young people were encouraged by contemporary trends (most notably by the music and movie industry) to appear grown-up by adopting hairstyles and fashion geared to a burgeoning market targeted at them. This was the dawning of the age of the teenager; neither child nor adult but nonetheless a lucrative asset.
People grew up faster. The people on the audience survived WWl, the Great Depression, and WWll.
@@bernieweber4663. She definitely grew up fast. As of this taping, she was already in a sexual relationship with Errol Flynn.
Is that THE Beverly Adlund???? Her little voice was actually quite good, and she presented herself well, fearlessly, between those two, very experienced, old, great professionals, who would have intimidated most other teenage girls. This telecast was in late 1957; was she going with Flynn then? He died less than two years later. They all make, together, a bizarre trio, but they're weirdly complimentary. What talent!
marc roland Yes, same woman. I didn't know anything about her until reading comments about here right here on this very page.
+marc roland i just watched the movie with dakota channing. they look alike and both so beautiful. She was just fifteen when she took up with errol flynn. dont know if he really loved her but he took care of her and didnt illtreat her in spite of his fame. IN spite of everything she always kept her life private
@@jessiejames7492 Don't believe everything you see in the movies. That particular movie was an oddly romanticized version of events. Whether one is ill-treated in such an age-gap'd, power-imbalanced relationship, is always subjective.
@@FungusMossGnosis agreed. There was a major power imbalance and he sexually exploited her as she was only 15 when they got together with the blessings of her mother. Her life unraveled after her boyfriend died from a gunshot after they struggled. She was twice divorced before marrying her last husband with whom she had a daughter. Beverly died at age 67 from complications of diabetes and heart disease.
i saw this when it was first on in 1957.Groucho asked him what he thought of Opera Lament.It was passed over without a comment
being able to look at the log now yes this is just like i said these were shot out of order. but to reconcile the radio broadcasts back into this requires editor's notes saying how the different segments ended up being used later. the order i listed here is correct for the television versions only. the radio numbering would have to be slightly altered as well along with it but in a different order
good music has a good melody...rap aint got no melody
And, apparently, grammar hasn't given you its calling card.
Rap is a different type of artist performance and the best are highly skilled. Like singers there are good and bad rappers.
nearly all singing artists with long careers and fame to this point ..were all relegated to being irrelevant before the 50s decade was out...because of ELVIS ..Bill Haley..DION..Ricky Nelson..Neil Sedaka..Paul Anka..the list goes on ..and then of course all succumbed to the Beatles
Cute show, but GM should have given the $1K to the serviceman, because Chicago is in Illinois
The University of Chicago is a world-class university. The University of Illinois is a large state-run University located down state in Champaign -Urbana.
He got the question wrong. He said the wrong university
beverly aadland
Gillette owned Paper-Mate at the time, and The Toni Company (makers of Prom Home Permanent).
Roberta wasn't necessarily a set up. She gave them a very vehement look (probably because she was such a big Elvis fan), and that attracted Groucho's attention. He didn't necessarily have to have known who she was beforehand.
She was on the show as I remember twice and as I remember as a contestant. She was the “Head” of the Elvis Presley “ fan club as I remember in San Diego.
Damn
+wattever333, I have no idea why I can't respond to your comment directly, but I also have no idea what you're talking about, so perhaps that's for the best.
You can only reply to comments, if the account is connected to a Google+ account. That's why there is sometimes no reply option.
Ela Mongrella The comments system is a lot more complicated and a lot buggier than your explanation, but thanks for trying to help.
i admit it is kinda confusing here... this might even have been a scheduling conflict forcing them to shoot two shows in a day or something... one radio episode lacking a couple while one other tv episode has them and the tv show that week lacking something else oi lol changing the numbering here fixes just the television broadcasts at least
Here is the resolution of the discrepancy once and for all!
#57-05 10-24-1957 (secret word street - CORRECT AS IS)
#57-06 10-31-1957 (not here in this collection or in my own)
#57-07 11-07-1957 (not here in this collection or in my own)
#57-08 11-14-1957 (not here in this collection or in my own)
#57-09 11-21-1957 (not here in this collection or in my own)
#57-10 11-28-1957 (secret word chair - with the myna bird)
#57-11 12-05-1957 (secret word room - first episode of the rock and roll debate)
#57-12 12-12-1957 (secret word grass - 2nd ep of the rock and roll debate)
#57-13 12-19-1957 (from the shout! factory dvd)
#57-14 12-26-1957 (secret word water - CORRECT AS IS)
From my guess, the Shout! Factory people used the very same log for their DVD sets you did for your uploads and couldn't resolve the discrepancy either. The log here is just numbered wrong. Plain and simple. The error in the log could be explained as simply as they forgot to get a release form signed (even back then you had to sign a waiver for your likeness to be used on TV) and had to hold the episode a couple weeks. Just a supposition. But yes, the log here MUST be wrong because what I've posted is the ONLY way this can be resolved WITHOUT renumbering the entire season!
The log is slightly disordered here because this isn't an issue of incorrect air dates, it is an issue of mistaken numbering. The air dates are all correct. Standard season numbering is based on air dates NOT production numbers (they just normally coincide in the production of a weekly, non-dramatic broadcast). The log is based on production numbers NOT air dates. These were filmed out of order in this one case.
Dates AND numbering this way checks out with all the other episodes in the season!
I'm 99.999% sure this is the correct order now, and anything other than this requires changing info on the whole season. The log is so accurate otherwise, it is just an issue of production vs airing.
Also, #57-10, for example, is a standard production number still sometimes used in this format even today (a current season production number would be written something like #A14-32 [filmed 32nd in preparation for the 2014-2015 season]).
Seasonal numbering to show that, though, is based upon air dates. So technically, #57-10 should be written as 0810 (Season 8 Episode 10). Production numbers can and do drift from seasonal numbers (South Park is a good, more recent example of this). Once again, not nitpicking this point just giving as much info as I can to show you how I managed to unravel this Gordian knot.
Production numbers were originally invented to internally refer to reels of footage in editing. Normally, they are ignored once a season begins broadcast. Seasonal numbering is also known as broadcast history or chronological progression.
The preempted episode might only have ever made it on the radio as well. If so, there will always be an episode that aired and was never seen on TV due to the preempt...
"We now take you back to your regularly scheduled program ALREADY IN PROGRESS...."
spent all night on fixing this =^.~= you are welcome everyone
FF11Freshstep I so wish I had the time to really wrap my head around this right now, since you're obviously taking this very seriously and putting a great deal of time and effort into it. But I just can't.right now-- I will keep a copy of your notes and refer back to them when I do have a window, though. And thank you for the care you're putting into reviewing the material.
Thank you for your efforts. I've skimmed through your "evidence" post, and I promise in the next day or two, I will closely examine your work. Getting this correct is important to me. I'd like to put this right at IMDb. I'll get back to you later this week.
Jimmie Dee
good! i really appreciate all your efforts here too! some of your links have been VERY enlightening and entertaining!
sad but this small error here is one case where the log's numbering reflects how the episodes were filmed and not aired. and, in most cases, they would still match. even if this diverges slightly from the log, it fixes the air date/numbering issue completely. be happy to hear back from you with anything else too =^.^=
I haven't watched this episode, yet. I first want to be sure of its date and number. Based on its date (Dec. 5, 1957), it's from Season 8. The season premiered on Thursday, September 26. Now, counting Thursdays from there (including Thanksgiving), that makes this episode 57-11 rather than 57-09. Could you please double-check your date and number. Thanks. Otherwise, I'm finding your episode references quite reliable. Good work. Much appreciated.
Without getting into details that are hard to explain, the episode numbering is a bit wonky at this point, but the air date is correct, per the only reliable log in existence for the series. There was one week preempted prior to this on television, and for some reason the TV episodes diverged from the order they aired on radio, hence the seemingly out of sequence episode numbers (again, all this per the log, which could contain errors, but I have no basis for correcting them).
Thanks for the info. I can work with that.
Subsequent to my original doubt, I picked up the "The Best Episodes", the 2nd DVD release from Shout! Factory. It includes episode 57-11, and it's air date is December 19, so it appears that your posted info is, indeed, correct.
Jimmie Dee How are liking the DVDs? I think Shout Factory did a phenomenal job on those two sets.
Groucho Marx - You Bet Your Life Both sets are great, with the edge going to "The Lost Episodes" because it includes more commercials (which can be watched or ignored separately from the show) and the inclusion of the Pedro Gonzales-Gonzales episode.
I found this show disturbing somehow. Even the argument about music hits too close to current talk tv. That's enough nostalgia for one evening I think.
Last I knew, Chicago is in Illinois so how did he lose?
Rork n roll babae
It’s not just him thinking his era was the best or better. Music genuinely changed when rock n roll came in. The rhythm of the music became the primary part of a song opposed to the melody being dominant. The timing changed from a 1-3 to a 2-4. And the tune became repetitive.
i like that girls outfit...
Yes me too I bought a skirt like that a charity shop years ago and wondered what era it was from now I know @1957. It was grey and heavy material with a turquoise blue trim at the bottom.
@@louisep5178 nice. I wish i can find a shop selling vintage clothes
@@jessiejames7492 That was in the UK we have a lot of charity shops here. There are a lot of retro shops online too. I would have sent you the skirt if I still had it
@@louisep5178 kind of you. I love anything old💕
@@louisep5178 i will browse the online shops. But wouldnt buy online. Would rather see and feel the item bef buying. Thanks fr the info
I don't know who this Elvis Parsley guy was but I'll bet he was just a flash in the pan, rock and roll won't last.
John Charles Thomas wasn’t fond of that early "rock and roll". What would he think now of that rap crap??? 😂
Documentary on Errol Flynn (and Beverly Aadland, the guest on 'You bet your life') ua-cam.com/video/psNJqQ0SKOA/v-deo.html
The girl's All shook up was better than the boring golf-"song". And Thomas dares to call that more "real music"!
I must say two things: first, it is ironic that Groucho had so much negative to say about Elvis Presley, since, after Presley's death on August 16, 1977, Groucho lived just another three days until August 19, after which coverage of his death was muted because of Elvis Presley; second, Groucho Marx is one of the few people outside of Elvis' immediate family and friends to pronounce the Presley surname CORRECTLY. Cheers! x
how can u pronounce that name wrong.
Why is that ironic? Do you understand what ironic means?
was this after he died..?
Pardon???
Groucho Marx - You Bet Your Life WE ALL know that beverely Aadland was Errol Flynns lover from the time she was 15 to 17.when he died.. She still looked very young here..I was wondering if this was after he died which i doubt or during their affair. By the questions Groucho was asking, it seemed he may still be alive. But i just had to ask...:) Groucho knew. Listen to his questions and hers..(Sorry i didnt explain earlier)
jessie james Ah, okay. Well, Flynn didn't die until 1959, so no, this show was not before his death.
also remember there was a minor panic in the united states around this time... sputnik 2 was being launched, the americans hadn't put explorer up yet, and lots of people were seriously thinking of russian deathbombs dropping on their heads (total propaganda stupidity but was the mindset of the time)... could have been as simple as bernie smith or whoever jotting a note down on the wrong calendar page or something in haste. or like i said on the other episode a forgotten release form. =^^= and after all. the log was written as they were filming not as they were airing. all shows film at least 4 weeks ahead of the airing.
FF11Freshstep Errors in Bernie Smith's notes are always a possibility.
(even if my ordering is wrong on a standpoint of when the guest were at the studio etc... it does at least resolve the error and tbh 57 years after the fact, i think we should just change it for clarity sake and put in a small postscript with the old info) lol
FF11Freshstep Yes, as you can see, it's not so much an error as a matter of what perspective is being taken. YBYL is a very complicated series to track properly, even with a good log.
i'm well on my way as i've shown you =^^= hopefully this one i'm writing up will finally help end some of the last of the coinfusion!
Is this girl in high school? She's awfully poised.
Yeah, unlike the developmentally-arrested 'tards in recent decades.
Children were raised to have poise and bearing back then. Now, anything goes. Impudence, disrespect, and apathy are hallmarks of today's youth.
She felt extra-mature because she was in the midst of a torrid affair with middle-aged alcoholic scoundrel Errol Flynn.
@@Page-Hendryx please don’t use slurs.
@@SheriSoltes Fuck off. I am a high school teacher, NONE of my students have ever been this well rounded
25m26s "Prices start just above the lowest". Lowest what? What a contorted attempt at saying it's cheap without providing any evidence. "Oh, and they are less than the highest".
1🕺12:02
Ironic, that the warnings about rock and roll that were so easily dismissed turned out to have been absolutely true.
Warnings about singing and dancing that terms and conditions apply were not prophetic of anything, the invention of the wheel had terms and conditions, and that is where terms and conditions apply. Obviously RnR broke someone's rules, that's all it could break. And Groucho was the same, a riot. Absolutely true.
Young people today don't understand what Elvis Presley and artists like him had to overcome with their rock & roll. Here's one.
An artist like John Charles Thomas was an antique -- condescending about the rise of the new popular music -- many record executives and some people were just like him. What Elvis had to achieve in those early years far outweighs what they do today. Singers and entertainers don't have to overcome anything anymore. They may not become famous -- but they have opportunities and acceptance that were made possible by the likes of an Elvis.
Ironically, Elvis died three days before Groucho in August 1977. Presley dead 40 years continues to chart in many places around the world. His recent success was two releases of Elvis with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra (#1 in the UK -- 2015 with the follow-up #1 in 2016 and both 3X Platinum).
Poor Mr. Thomas didn't achieve that.
“Poor” Mr Thomas sold HUNDREDS of titles in his time, which parts of were only 15 or so years prior, and he too had a Very Long Run at the brass ring! Even not terribly long before his death, (2+\-) years. He have a MORE THAN RESPECTABLE performance. You see here! Record collectors like myself Treasureuuygf his records! Listen to his TALLY HO! (available on UA-cam, is Recorded and released 2/3 years before singers even started issuing ANY other z. KIND kkkkkkkkkkovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvbhOF MICROPHONE, to make the record or
@@davidlogansr8007 I'm young and I thought he was awesome. A bit of a stick-in-the-mud, but not nearly as conservative and unyielding as many people are today. The prejudiced OP for instance.
Every generation was like that! I can’t believe you are saying that! Give me a break!
@Roberto Ribeiro Hate to say it but in this day and age ask any American teen about Elvis and they won't know who he was.
@Roberto Ribeiro 2 out of 10 leaves 8 out of 10 not knowing who he was
He has no idea what music is
John Charles Thomas was very boring, and stilted. He needed to know that rock and roll is just one more genre of music, and 'good' and 'bad' music comes down mostly to personal preference. (For example I wonder what Mozart would have thought of Thomas' golf song, or Home on the Range as he sang in a later show, etc) Boy those Desoto commercials were lame and cheesy (compared to nowadays). As for Papermate pens, yup, they were the standard Xmas present for a lot of people back then.
And they were admired for beauty and craftsmanship, as opposed to today's cheap and plastic disposables.
@bixbybixby! must be a “Millennial !