Great video Ben! Thanks for helping us understanding how to edit photographs in order get fine art photography and also thanks for having my photograph edited... that’s how I imagined it. By the way the photograph was taken in Mexico City and focuses on one of four columns of the Monumento a la Revolución. Thanks again and greetings from Mexico!
Thank you for being part of it José. I will send you the photoshop file and you can have a go at recreating it - so that you can create the images you want to.
Thanks Andre. It’s not easy, it’s just an accumulation to loads of mistakes. And then you learn for the next time. I am talking about my photography and video making. It’s all a learning experience.
Cool video Ben. I know how much work goes into cutting the video together as well as the edit itself. Nice work on that! We have a similar approach to B&W architecture editing. I like to use different versions (high key, mid + low) but I don't usually do them in silver efex, although it's a great option. Thanks for sharing more of your proces and all the best for the continuation of a successful channel!
Hi Anthony, thanks for the comment. Since making this video I have switched my workflow to using Joel’s Artisan pro panel. He convinced me that it is a more productive workflow, and I agree that the end result is a lot more refined than I was getting using Silver Efex. What software are you using for your edits?
great video, its brilliant how people all do things different to get the same result, i came across your glasgow video, as im not far from there, i have one of the radisson, and il admit it took me about a day with numerous cups of tea to do
There seems to be a lot of construction happening around that building. I chopped off a lot of the half finished building next to it. That wasn’t an easy edit! Do you have a different workflow to achieve similar/same/better results?
@@benharveyphotography I just use lightroom mostly with a little bit of photoshop, i wouldnt say it was better, im just kinda winging it, dont really know what i am doing, heres the link to it, though its nothing special, www.flickr.com/photos/overhoist/41905545882/in/photolist-26R3SPL
@@chawan2788 HI. The image that you put a link to looks remarkably like Billy Currie's version of the Raddison Blu Hotel? Have you re-edited his image?
Another great video - thanks Ben. When making selections that are mainly made up of curves, I prefer to use the new curve pen tool. I set the bottom button of my Wacom pen to double click, that way I can hold it down when I need a corner point (i.e. no curve). I find this much better that the standard pen tool because there is no click dragging required to form curves. The other advantage is that I can move any point by simply moving back to click on it (pen nib set to single click) and then move it (no modifier key required).
Thanks Kev, I have yet to experiment with a Wacom for selections. I was hoping that when photoshop was launched in the iPad Pro I could use the Apple Pencil to make selections - however there is no pen tool on photoshop for the iPad yet...so it’s use for making selections is very limited right now. I will take a look at the curve pen tool when I get a Wacom.
I love the final result. I got a bit lost at the end. Did I miss what you actually did in PS? Giving you a massive thumbs up because you have twins (mine are now 33) and I just like the way you present. Also, you are massively skilled and should have a ton more loyal subscribers. Which you will if you keep producing high level content like you do.
Hi Martin, my twins are only 6 at the time of typing this - but its great watching them grow up together. Regarding the fine art, if you check out my tutorial playlist then you will probably find the answers. I have made quite a few videos on the topic of fine art, including the editing. Watch this first ua-cam.com/video/nc0SV2B00KI/v-deo.htmlsi=DNsr0vO0YgFz8rqM and then check out my playlist here ua-cam.com/play/PLmxk-zkWB1e40S_AlOuakK8Ur0XmMMMyZ.html&si=t7CpRqFFnfn_fh7X I hope that this is helpful!
Love your videos, Ben, and this one’s no exception. The LM panels I have are ADP Pro, Lumenzia, and Artisan Pro X. I would love it if you can put together a tutorial for Artisan Pro. I haven’t quite figured out a general non destructive work flow and how best to use the panel; I really like it’s ability to make fine gradients.
Good vlog Ben and always enjoy the fine art tutorials. I recently purchased Quick Mask Pro to use in addition to Artisan Pro. Still trying to become proficient in it, but love the challenge. Thanks again for the tutorial
@@benharveyphotography Not sure Ben, still getting to grips with it but in watching Joel Tjintjelaar's videos he has certainly condensed the time taken in his workflow from when I watch his original tutorials.
Great job, Ben! I like the Fine Art editing style you show in your videos. Would be interested in the work flow on iPad Pro (latest generation) + pencil as I mainly edit my pics with Lightroom and Photoshop on the iPad Pro 12,9...
@@benharveyphotography Haha, thanks. I think we've all encountered those typical know-it-all's in the comment section of YT, so I made up this name as a mockery, or sarcastic take on these tiresome fellas. Some of them didn't even get that it was a mockery and actually thought it was serious 😂
My next architectural picture I will process this way. Only thing I'm not used to is creating a normal, high key and low key version of the picture in Silver Efex. Maybe a future tutorial?
Hi Tim, it is very straight forward - I can talk you through it here. If you have silver efex installed, I literally use presets (under exposed -1), over exposed +1 and perhaps neutral or high structure smooth (but dial it back a bit) for the middle exposure. I use low key 1 or 2 to get my dark skies. You could of course recreate these in lightroom or photoshop with sliders, curves or levels. I hope this answers your question.
Hi Anna. Thanks for the comment. I did gloss over that bit because it was covered in another video, but essentially you use a layer mask and the gradient tool in photoshop (click and hold on the paint fill tool and it will turn into gradient fill) and then you load a selection and drag up/down/left/right to create a gradient. Because it is on a layer mask it will bring through the shadow or the highlights that are on the layer below. I hope that makes sense. If not then watch my other video called ‘fine art editing tutorial’. Thanks. Ben.
@@benharveyphotography Bless you for replying - that's so kind. When I use the gradient tool, it only does one gradient per mask. I think there must be a button i don't know about such that when you start to pull a second gradient, it doesn't erase the first one you just made on the same mask maybe?
Ok. I understand what you mean. I would follow the workflow of my original fine art video. The example that I showed in this quick selection video was all of the selections merged into one, which you can do by starting with an alpha channel (similar to starting with a blank canvas) then loading each selection at a time, which will control where the gradients can influence. There are many different ways of doing it. But to throw a spanner in the works I do it completely differently now, using the artisan pro panel - which doesn’t require any layer masks or multiple exposures. I have made videos about that on my tutorials page also. Hopefully this answered your question.
Hi Ian, I made a selection for the sky and dropped in a long exposure sky image that I had taken. This was a very easy image in terms of selections. The complicated images have trees and mess on the horizon which take up a lot of time.
Nice video. One question: the low key layer you have a three dimensional black to white areas that coordinate the selected regions on the LK image. How did you make these individual region with individual gradients applied regionally?
Hi. I think you will find the answer in my original fine art editing tutorial. I have talked through the stages step by step. Link below. ua-cam.com/video/nc0SV2B00KI/v-deo.html
Nice video! I would like a more detailed video of your workflow, that would be fun to see the entire work from start to finish. Maybe on the next one? ;)
Roger, people tell me that my videos are too long as they are - so I have broken them into smaller tutorials. I think it is better that way, otherwise it would be an hour long. I have some more fine art tutorials in the pipeline, but it will probably be next year before they are published. I have a lot on at the moment.
I was about to ask same, I wouldn’t mind watching whole 1.5 hours workflow. ... If anyone really interested in learning, time is not an issue but I guess most people want learning in quicker way. Next video idea: Layer Masking? Really enjoyed your selection process. Thanks for your hardwork. Looking forward to see more :)
Hi Josh. Yes and yes. My next tutorial will be on the Quick Mask Pro panel - it’s very easy and fits into the workflow nicely. But it is only meant for selecting skies - so manual selections for buildings/facades are still necessary.
Hi Josh - well you can outsource them...? Check out my last video tutorial. But if there is not enough tonal separation between two surfaces - no software is going to create the selections that you want unfortunately.
Apologies for my English. Why not the Curvature Pen? It's faraway better for doing corrections, and the tool itself will guess the shape of what you select. And it's faraway more easy to learn.
Thanks for the comment. I had no idea this existing. It turns out that Adobe PS CC 2018 does have it but you have to delve into the workspace settings to enable it! I will add it to my to do list :-)
Thanks! Seems like the pen tool is going to be a great additions to my toolbox.... after many F bombs and head banging against the wall while learning how to use it.
Andrew, I watched a quick tutorial by Phlearn and it made sense straight away, although different versions of photoshop have slightly different aesthetics and additions to the pen tool. Someone pointed that there is a curvature pen tool? That is something that I will have to explore.
this is the most confusing video I have ever seen, nothing about this video has anything to do with the title and it jumps from shortcuts to editing and for god sakes people stop using the damn pen tool, it's exceedingly slow and has been replaced by dozens of easier and faster methods.
Magnificent work on photoshop. Hats off for you.
Thank you. Obviously I give credit to José for taking the photo :-)
Great video Ben! Thanks for helping us understanding how to edit photographs in order get fine art photography and also thanks for having my photograph edited... that’s how I imagined it.
By the way the photograph was taken in Mexico City and focuses on one of four columns of the Monumento a la Revolución.
Thanks again and greetings from Mexico!
Thank you for being part of it José. I will send you the photoshop file and you can have a go at recreating it - so that you can create the images you want to.
Hi Ben nice video, you make it all look easy as you got the touch with your style!
Thanks Andre. It’s not easy, it’s just an accumulation to loads of mistakes. And then you learn for the next time. I am talking about my photography and video making. It’s all a learning experience.
super job Ben luv ur work
Nanoo T thank you! I have multiple videos on fine art coming soon.
YES! Stoked we finally got this video!
You are welcome! I hope it was helpful.
Another great video Ben, thanks buddy
Cheers Terry.
I love your videos. I find them very helpful to learn technique and vision. Keep it up.
Thank you Paul!
Love your video Ben, thank you for sharing. Learning a lot !
Good shot by Jose and good edit by you :) Good job both!
Thank you, from both of us.
Thanks a lot Aleksander
Thanks for such a fine, instructional video Ben.
This Video i looking for, thank you for sharing
Wow that blew my mind
Cool video Ben. I know how much work goes into cutting the video together as well as the edit itself. Nice work on that! We have a similar approach to B&W architecture editing. I like to use different versions (high key, mid + low) but I don't usually do them in silver efex, although it's a great option. Thanks for sharing more of your proces and all the best for the continuation of a successful channel!
Hi Anthony, thanks for the comment. Since making this video I have switched my workflow to using Joel’s Artisan pro panel. He convinced me that it is a more productive workflow, and I agree that the end result is a lot more refined than I was getting using Silver Efex. What software are you using for your edits?
great video, its brilliant how people all do things different to get the same result, i came across your glasgow video, as im not far from there, i have one of the radisson, and il admit it took me about a day with numerous cups of tea to do
There seems to be a lot of construction happening around that building. I chopped off a lot of the half finished building next to it. That wasn’t an easy edit!
Do you have a different workflow to achieve similar/same/better results?
@@benharveyphotography I just use lightroom mostly with a little bit of photoshop, i wouldnt say it was better, im just kinda winging it, dont really know what i am doing, heres the link to it, though its nothing special, www.flickr.com/photos/overhoist/41905545882/in/photolist-26R3SPL
@@chawan2788 HI. The image that you put a link to looks remarkably like Billy Currie's version of the Raddison Blu Hotel? Have you re-edited his image?
@@benharveyphotographyhi, No, its my own image, his is a lot better than mine, and he was the inspiration for me to give it a go
Great video! Thanks a lot!
Thanks Stefan. You are welcome.
Another great video - thanks Ben. When making selections that are mainly made up of curves, I prefer to use the new curve pen tool. I set the bottom button of my Wacom pen to double click, that way I can hold it down when I need a corner point (i.e. no curve). I find this much better that the standard pen tool because there is no click dragging required to form curves. The other advantage is that I can move any point by simply moving back to click on it (pen nib set to single click) and then move it (no modifier key required).
Thanks Kev, I have yet to experiment with a Wacom for selections. I was hoping that when photoshop was launched in the iPad Pro I could use the Apple Pencil to make selections - however there is no pen tool on photoshop for the iPad yet...so it’s use for making selections is very limited right now. I will take a look at the curve pen tool when I get a Wacom.
I love the final result. I got a bit lost at the end. Did I miss what you actually did in PS? Giving you a massive thumbs up because you have twins (mine are now 33) and I just like the way you present. Also, you are massively skilled and should have a ton more loyal subscribers. Which you will if you keep producing high level content like you do.
Hi Martin, my twins are only 6 at the time of typing this - but its great watching them grow up together. Regarding the fine art, if you check out my tutorial playlist then you will probably find the answers. I have made quite a few videos on the topic of fine art, including the editing. Watch this first ua-cam.com/video/nc0SV2B00KI/v-deo.htmlsi=DNsr0vO0YgFz8rqM and then check out my playlist here ua-cam.com/play/PLmxk-zkWB1e40S_AlOuakK8Ur0XmMMMyZ.html&si=t7CpRqFFnfn_fh7X I hope that this is helpful!
Love your videos, Ben, and this one’s no exception. The LM panels I have are ADP Pro, Lumenzia, and Artisan Pro X. I would love it if you can put together a tutorial for Artisan Pro. I haven’t quite figured out a general non destructive work flow and how best to use the panel; I really like it’s ability to make fine gradients.
Thank you, glad you liked the video. Alongside trying out the iPad Pro with photoshop for selections, Artisan Pro panel is next on my list.
Also, have you tried using a Wacom tablet with your desktop? I can’t edit without it.
@kdo888 Are you using any of those panels to help you with making selections?
Good vlog Ben and always enjoy the fine art tutorials. I recently purchased Quick Mask Pro to use in addition to Artisan Pro. Still trying to become proficient in it, but love the challenge. Thanks again for the tutorial
How long would you say it would take to edit the image I have shown here?
@@benharveyphotography Not sure Ben, still getting to grips with it but in watching Joel Tjintjelaar's videos he has certainly condensed the time taken in his workflow from when I watch his original tutorials.
Great job, Ben! I like the Fine Art editing style you show in your videos. Would be interested in the work flow on iPad Pro (latest generation) + pencil as I mainly edit my pics with Lightroom and Photoshop on the iPad Pro 12,9...
tq Ben!
Thanks for this video, it's very helpful.
Thank you. Awesome YT name/status!
@@benharveyphotography Haha, thanks. I think we've all encountered those typical know-it-all's in the comment section of YT, so I made up this name as a mockery, or sarcastic take on these tiresome fellas. Some of them didn't even get that it was a mockery and actually thought it was serious 😂
Great Video. Thanks.
You are welcome. Thanks for watching.
My next architectural picture I will process this way. Only thing I'm not used to is creating a normal, high key and low key version of the picture in Silver Efex. Maybe a future tutorial?
Hi Tim, it is very straight forward - I can talk you through it here. If you have silver efex installed, I literally use presets (under exposed -1), over exposed +1 and perhaps neutral or high structure smooth (but dial it back a bit) for the middle exposure. I use low key 1 or 2 to get my dark skies.
You could of course recreate these in lightroom or photoshop with sliders, curves or levels.
I hope this answers your question.
The bit that foxed me was your masks at the end over the low- mid- and high-key versions - how do you get those graphic gradients?
Hi Anna. Thanks for the comment. I did gloss over that bit because it was covered in another video, but essentially you use a layer mask and the gradient tool in photoshop (click and hold on the paint fill tool and it will turn into gradient fill) and then you load a selection and drag up/down/left/right to create a gradient. Because it is on a layer mask it will bring through the shadow or the highlights that are on the layer below. I hope that makes sense. If not then watch my other video called ‘fine art editing tutorial’. Thanks. Ben.
@@benharveyphotography Bless you for replying - that's so kind. When I use the gradient tool, it only does one gradient per mask. I think there must be a button i don't know about such that when you start to pull a second gradient, it doesn't erase the first one you just made on the same mask maybe?
Ok. I understand what you mean. I would follow the workflow of my original fine art video. The example that I showed in this quick selection video was all of the selections merged into one, which you can do by starting with an alpha channel (similar to starting with a blank canvas) then loading each selection at a time, which will control where the gradients can influence. There are many different ways of doing it.
But to throw a spanner in the works I do it completely differently now, using the artisan pro panel - which doesn’t require any layer masks or multiple exposures. I have made videos about that on my tutorials page also. Hopefully this answered your question.
@@benharveyphotography 🙏🙏🙏
What shall I say, just amazing work. Thanks for sharing, and to be honest, it would take me weeks to do it. 🙈
It sounds like you need some shortcuts in your life :-)
Hi Ben great edit as always, just one question how did you replace the sky ? Cheers Ian
Hi Ian, I made a selection for the sky and dropped in a long exposure sky image that I had taken. This was a very easy image in terms of selections. The complicated images have trees and mess on the horizon which take up a lot of time.
@@benharveyphotography Thanks for the reply Ben, great videos buddy
Nice video. One question: the low key layer you have a three dimensional black to white areas that coordinate the selected regions on the LK image. How did you make these individual region with individual gradients applied regionally?
Hi. I think you will find the answer in my original fine art editing tutorial. I have talked through the stages step by step.
Link below.
ua-cam.com/video/nc0SV2B00KI/v-deo.html
Nice video! I would like a more detailed video of your workflow, that would be fun to see the entire work from start to finish. Maybe on the next one? ;)
Roger, people tell me that my videos are too long as they are - so I have broken them into smaller tutorials. I think it is better that way, otherwise it would be an hour long. I have some more fine art tutorials in the pipeline, but it will probably be next year before they are published. I have a lot on at the moment.
Ben Harvey Photography I wouldn’t mind a one hour tutorial 😅👍 But I see your point. Keep up the good work, fun to follow👍
I was about to ask same, I wouldn’t mind watching whole 1.5 hours workflow. ... If anyone really interested in learning, time is not an issue but I guess most people want learning in quicker way.
Next video idea: Layer Masking?
Really enjoyed your selection process.
Thanks for your hardwork. Looking forward to see more :)
Ben, are you still using these techniques for your selections? Have you tried Joel's Quick Mask Pro yet?
Hi Josh. Yes and yes. My next tutorial will be on the Quick Mask Pro panel - it’s very easy and fits into the workflow nicely. But it is only meant for selecting skies - so manual selections for buildings/facades are still necessary.
@@benharveyphotography Thanks Ben. I was hoping there were methods to avoid too many manual selections. Looking forward to your Quick Mask tutorial 👍
Hi Josh - well you can outsource them...? Check out my last video tutorial. But if there is not enough tonal separation between two surfaces - no software is going to create the selections that you want unfortunately.
Cool video nice
Thank you Divi Photos :-)
Modern day Ansel!!!!
Apologies for my English. Why not the Curvature Pen? It's faraway better for doing corrections, and the tool itself will guess the shape of what you select. And it's faraway more easy to learn.
Thanks for the comment. I had no idea this existing. It turns out that Adobe PS CC 2018 does have it but you have to delve into the workspace settings to enable it! I will add it to my to do list :-)
@@benharveyphotography any updates to your process or tools? Are you using Joel's tool at all?
Thanks! Seems like the pen tool is going to be a great additions to my toolbox.... after many F bombs and head banging against the wall while learning how to use it.
Andrew, I watched a quick tutorial by Phlearn and it made sense straight away, although different versions of photoshop have slightly different aesthetics and additions to the pen tool. Someone pointed that there is a curvature pen tool? That is something that I will have to explore.
Love your videos but please don’t say “roll the intro” - it sounds so cheesy.
Sure. I will mix it up for future videos. Thank you
this is the most confusing video I have ever seen, nothing about this video has anything to do with the title and it jumps from shortcuts to editing and for god sakes people stop using the damn pen tool, it's exceedingly slow and has been replaced by dozens of easier and faster methods.
Hi, which photoshop tool would you recommend I use for making these sorts of selections?
So you spewed out all that, then didn't even bother to reply when Ben asked for a recommendation from you? Idiot.