I feel like at bare minimum, the star has to be a yellow dwarf star (Our sun), mostly cause if the star in the goddess realm is a dwarf star, then Escanor's power should activate at night as well since there are stars out in night. For all we know it might be possible, the seven deadly sins star is a star, beyond any star in power that we have studied, cause his power doesn't activate at night, so it might be possible to scale Escanor higher, but this claim doesn't have as much evidence
So seven deadly sin characters are over planet and are dwarf star because you were able to find out that the ten commandments are dwarf star level and the weakest commandments of truth is dwarf star level that means restored meliodas is dwarf star and possible even over dwarf star level i agreed with you pencil also i watched this video more then 2 times because you were able to show lots of people that seven deadly sins characters are more then planetary thanks and i agree with this amazing video you made
If Meliodas is close to mother chaos he is undoubtedly universal. Mother chaos with low effort created purgatory which is a space time that is infinite. Also if Meliodas was going to destroy the mortal plane that would include the lake? The lake has infinite magic so his mere presence alone can destroy infinite magic.
Damn, I really wanna read the manga and such. I’ve seen all the seasons including the last season of the Anime. I’ve actually always thought he was Country + dude thanks! I wonder if there is any websites that I can read it for free lol
Wouldn’t meliodas in true magic form be star level since he surpassed both of them in strength and power? And each grace has the power to create dimension the size of planets minimum since tarmiel made an ocean. Wouldn’t the supreme diety at full power be solar system level at that point?
Highly likely. However, I stayed super basic. Didn't even go deep into in verse scaling. This is a video just to let people know the verse is not only planetary but beyond. I have another video planned for the high levels of power.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
1. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
How strong do you think Meliodas is PHYSICALLY? Considering that he split a big hill with a strength level of 960, what great feat could current Meliodas pull off strength wise? I know that 50.000 is the last officially stated strength number when Meliodas had a PL of 56000 with demon mark. I still was able to find a way to scale this. If a hill had a length of 1,5km, I'd say eos base Meliodas should be able to split 591km of ground with his sword. What do you think?
If he swung now? Probably a good continent. And when he spilt that hill, he was wielding a twig and didn't even touch it. Give him a blade, contact, and numerous amps, he's slicing apart landmassess.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. ua-cam.com/video/Wh-mVoIUt4I/v-deo.html
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. ua-cam.com/video/Wh-mVoIUt4I/v-deo.html
@@hollowknight9576 lol Kaguya was going to destroy a solar system sized dimension with her giant truth seeking orb and you are saying sds verse which is just the country of brittania is stronger 😂😂. Kaguya or even toneri one shots the sds verse.
problem here is that while comendment bost power they are hax in first place and we don't know how much of that 5% go to hax and how much go to raw power which would mean you cann't realy scale them to planetary
I'm not sure what you mean. If anything, they are power in the first place. They're half his power. Divided into ten. It's the reason Meliodas even wanted to absorb them in the first place. The curse is just a side part of the power he gifted. If they weren't pure power, Meliodas would not have been confident in matching the Demon King by absorbing them. The curses are just extra. And what makes you think the haxes would depower the amp? Was that implied anywhere?
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
@@thatguywithapencil well for example , mael's grace doesn't amp you it just give you ability (that ability could amp you but just having grace doesn't amp you since we see that night escanor still have grace but he is on level of normal people , if grace give him amp as well as ability , at night when he still have grace but ability doesn't work , he would not be on normal human level ) as for comendments , it was just assumtion
I do see what you mean, but even if that is the case due to one exception (In Sunshine) out of fourteen, and let's say the Commandment (5% of the Demon King's Power) is 99% hax and 1% raw power, despite that seeming a bit weird considering the multiple other statements deeming the commandments as power from Meliodas, to evidence of Estarossa absorbing commandments to get actually stronger, to the the Commandments and according the Ludociel the graces being portions their leader's power which came with curses and abilities, they would still planetary. Even if the commandment was 1/1000 of power and the rest hax, the commandment wielder would still be planetary. And that's going off the bare minimum requirement to be Dwarf Star level. Unless you mean to imply that the commandment gives off no power at all, despite contradictory evidence being presented all throughout the series, starting from the original statement of the Commandments being power that come with curses, then Commandments with the lore meta are still planetary.
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
@@thatguywithapencil but this shows that sunshine can work without a real sun, even a illusion could work, it seems more likely that mael used an artificial sun rather than the DK and SD being star busters
@@thatguywithapencil also, another little problem. ( I know power levels are not that accurate, like someone with a PL of 50K sometimes beats someone with a PL of 70K, so like sure, its not 100% accurate but its gives us a general idea, like someone with a PL of 50K is not beating someone with a PL of 200K, unless they are merlin) if DK is star level, then one commandment is 5% star level, so galan is 5% star level with a PL of 28,000 or in other words, 16,666x planet level. Also meaning someone like gilthunder would be around 1,000x planet level and jerico would be around 57x planet level. Now if you think peoplelike jeherico and gilthunder are all casual multi planet busters, your theory is probable wrong, am not saying they are not, anything can happen in fiction, but its far more likely that the SD used an artificial sun than Jericho being a planet buster. The obvious best way to get around this is arguing that PL are not linear
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
1. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic. 2.can you pls link me to the gowther databook you showed earlier.
1. The contradiction to your point is right in the statement. The device had a limit. Merlin fueled it to the maximum limit with Infinity. And I agree with you, she does have infinite magic. As in the resource. She will never run out of magic. However, she herself is not infinitely powerful. Nor is she ever stated to be. As early as Infinity's introduction it is explained that she simply has no magic cost, not that her magic strength is infinite. Simply the amount of magic she has is infinite, which means she can power anything, which is nice. 2. I got you! imgur.com/a/emQv9 Scroll for a bit, you'll see it.
1.i said that she has infinite magic bc of the last statement "*the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a 10 mile radius of the user*" Basically meaning that the device has infinite ap. And since she's using raw power and hax like so6p orbs or susanoo swords she must've infinite power to create an attack that has infinite ap. 2.thanks but do you have the English translation bc I can't read Japanese.
1. Where does that imply infinite AP? It implies high damage, I'll give you that. Claiming that statement that only talks about a ten miles radius and only exterminating living matter and claiming that that suddenly means that device has INFINITE AP is a MASSIVE claim with NO evidence. The device never even went off. That claim is TOO massive with too little evidence. Especially considering no other statement in the entire series, implies Merlin has infinite AP. You're using a no limits fallacy. 2. Neither can I! I don't have a link to the translated version, a friend translated it for me.
@@thatguywithapencil 1.well it's said that it can annihilate any living matter which I took as infinite ap so idk. Also watch this vid ua-cam.com/video/Wh-mVoIUt4I/v-deo.html 2.welp that's sad.
I saw someone say that we can’t use creation feats if they have no time stamp for how long it took them to make the dimension. Do you agree with it and is there a time stamp somewhere?
I'm iffy on that, because what about universal creation? Is someone like Arceus not multi because we don't have a time stamp? Is Ugo not multi because we don't have a time stamp? But for this, I understand the criticism, since it's not on a pre time scale, so for now, I switch this to Tarmiel and Sariel, who with their power popped out a dimension in literal seconds, and their world is calced at large planetary.
@@thatguywithapencil sorry for being like a year late but does the ability to create a planet makes u planetary? would it automatically give you the ability to destroy same size planets
@@djays3232 There are two ways to scale creation feats: 1. The character has the innate ability to create and that energy does not equate to destructive power 2. The character can form their power into solid objects for creation and that same power fuels their attacks In the case of option 2, creating a planet would require a level of energy far beyond the amount required to destroy it. Picture a wall made of sand Want to blow a hole in it, put sand in a gun and you need a small amount of sand Vs Making that wall out of sand requires a massive amount more
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
So i have a quick question because it confused me. From what i hear, you believe that if you can create a star then you can destroy one (correct me if im wrong) but if that was true then humans can destroy mountains since we have created nukes. Im not saying your wrong but im just confused
See, there's the difference. Humans created something that destroyed a mountain. They didn't create the mountain itself. If Demon King and Supreme Deity had built a machine to make their realms, then I wouldn't give it to them. But they were stated to create the realm themselves, so I give it to them. It's like a human making a snowball and then destroying it, except it would be like the human made the snow from nothing and then be able to destroy it.
@@ανσιι-δ6ξ Making and creating is the difference. Humans make things with items and materials that already exist. There was not a Celestial Realm or Demon Realm before the Supreme Deity created them. That means they had to create everything in it from nothing, unlike humans who cannot make something from nothing.
I disagree with the idea that the commandments are 1/20 of the Demon King’s power. Their commandments are 1/20 of his power but they themselves are not equal to 1/20 of his power.
That’s where destructive capacity vs attack potency comes in. There are feats of beginning of series Diane being multi-continental, and others with higher than continental feats that are all weaker than end of series Sins individually, so their attacks combined and multiplied would definitely surpass that. It’s just likely they couldn’t suppress it down as much as they wanted to, which is why they needed the lake.
@@thatguywithapencil Would this be a rational explanation? Since the demon king used the country itself as a vessel, he had country level durability since his durability is that of his vessel?
@@Justin-gt2ch no his durability wouldn't change because of his vessel lol he would have his normal durability because of his attack potency doesn't change if a country lvl being trys to tank a planetary attack he will get vaporizer attack potency is the amount of energy output in the attack u created the destruction capacity is what u can destroy with that attack it doesn't mean that if u only destroy a city that it's only city lvl no lol u can be universal but u yourself can't destroy a universe just a solar system
What do you recommend me to say about people who say things like that Meliodas is only at the level of the island and country in the best of cases, because I have shown them your video and also explain things like their powers, capabilities and the only thing they tell me to me and this video are meliotards
He would be able to fight on par with somebody who could, taking their attacks and dealing damage. I don’t think Meliodas has the destructive capacity to just punch a planet to dust though.
@@thatguywithapencil he would since creation >>> destruction meliodas was stated by the demon king that he should have ability's that rival his own so meli chosed be able to create dimension
naw the highest is chaos who created the planet, as for everyone else you can either give them country via feats or large country via multipliers but via OCEAN their multi continental . as for mael/escanor its sunshine and all the graces are LITERAL to their names Flash- literal flash of light Sunshine - literal sunshine Ocean- literal ocean Tornado-literal tornado
@@thatguywithapencil i can cuz yes i agree with most of the things you said but you gotta understand we didnt see the Celes realm yet. So we have no idea if theres a star BUT.. in the belion manga he invaded the realm and there was sunshine but we didnt see a "sun" we can assume but i think its best to wait
@@jalenbrathwaite3252 The reason we know there is at least a dwarf star there, regardless of the fact of whether we saw it or not, is because of Mael's Grace, Sun. It doesn't work without a dwarf star, like I explained in the video, And like you mention, in the manga we see Mael use Sun. Proving it works, and thus there is a dwarf star. So there is no reason wait.
How did chandler turn it to night time? wasnt there a moon behind him? if so then did he manifest a moon to block sun (unlikely because that would eclipse), simply use magic to make it appear as night time, or did he shift the entire earth to face away from the sun? I would assume the former, because based on the way it is said "Demon magic is stronger at night" (estimate im too lazy to find quote unless its in vid..im still too lazy) it implies that it must be actual night time to make demons stronger. so how would he turn it to night time...the night seemed to follow him as he flew, and based on how it looks, it could be that he is literally turning the planet as he flies to always face away from the sun wherever he is. just an idea
but that would put chandler on planet level at least sort of right? or at least strong enough to mess with the gravitational pull. i dont think he would try to destroy the planet beacuse he was looking for meliodas and had only that goal in mind. the demons feed off of the life on earth and in britania, so they wouldnt want to destroy it. but chandler did cut giant ravines into the ground which reached magma.
I do believe he turned the planet in that instance, since it calls it "True Night". I don't know how much energy that would take though, but I'm assuming its a lot.
@@RavianxReacts juubidara is like leagues above toneri which was going to obliberate the earth and moon together Meliodas hasn’t any star level feats. In battle with demon king using full power they just destroyed some cities while madara just by lifting his hand created like 30-40 meteors and you are saying he is country level.
What's up brother. It's OK? I’m Brazilian, so I didn’t understand the video, but I know what it’s about. Can you write here in my commentary only the basics of what is in the video so that I can use as arguments? Because I don't understand your language. I read in the comments something about a dwarf star, so I wanted to understand about that as well. If you can send each point of the short video, I appreciate it. Like👍
Obrigado por comentar! Para o argumento principal, a Deidade Suprema criou um espaço separado com uma Estrela Anã nele, porque Mael poderia usar sua Graça lá. E Meliodas é mais forte do que ela e o Rei Demônio. Essa é a coisa do homem. Desculpe, tive que usar o google tradutor, então espero que esteja claro o suficiente. In English, thank you for commenting! For the major argument, the Supreme Deity created a seperate space with a Dwarf Star in it, because Mael could use his Grace there. And Meliodas is stronger than her and the Demon King. That's the man stuff. Sorry, I had to use google translate, so I hope this is clear enough.
@@thatguywithapencil In the manga merlin does say that chaos created the world, the gods and the 5 races from nothingness and they also say that chaos has the power to destroy everything.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic. ua-cam.com/video/Wh-mVoIUt4I/v-deo.html Also can you link to the gowther databook you just showed earlier.
@@thatguywithapencil1. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.* nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic. 2.can you pls link me to the gowther databook you showed earlier.
Bueno sí meliodas es universal, entonces ya podría ganarle a algunos personajes por ejemplo: naruto, luffy, a goku no creo que pueda aún que no se xd, mucho menos con algunos de marvel comics
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
I feel like at bare minimum, the star has to be a yellow dwarf star (Our sun), mostly cause if the star in the goddess realm is a dwarf star, then Escanor's power should activate at night as well since there are stars out in night.
For all we know it might be possible, the seven deadly sins star is a star, beyond any star in power that we have studied, cause his power doesn't activate at night, so it might be possible to scale Escanor higher, but this claim doesn't have as much evidence
We need to worry about that anymore with the Demon Realm now, but you're right.
So seven deadly sin characters are over planet and are dwarf star because you were able to find out that the ten commandments are dwarf star level and the weakest commandments of truth is dwarf star level that means restored meliodas is dwarf star and possible even over dwarf star level i agreed with you pencil also i watched this video more then 2 times because you were able to show lots of people that seven deadly sins characters are more then planetary thanks and i agree with this amazing video you made
Thanks! I do need to seal up some holes in this meta the best I can though, as flaws have been pointed out so I will address them.
In the new cursed by light movie the verse got upscaled to multi-solar
If Meliodas is close to mother chaos he is undoubtedly universal. Mother chaos with low effort created purgatory which is a space time that is infinite.
Also if Meliodas was going to destroy the mortal plane that would include the lake? The lake has infinite magic so his mere presence alone can destroy infinite magic.
Another video for Cath plz and King Chaos
In the future!
Damn, I really wanna read the manga and such. I’ve seen all the seasons including the last season of the Anime. I’ve actually always thought he was Country + dude thanks! I wonder if there is any websites that I can read it for free lol
Now, I didn't tell you this, but google the manga and look for .coms.
I always knew meliodas can destroy a planet with his attack potency he’s my favorite anime character ever
Wouldn’t meliodas in true magic form be star level since he surpassed both of them in strength and power? And each grace has the power to create dimension the size of planets minimum since tarmiel made an ocean. Wouldn’t the supreme diety at full power be solar system level at that point?
Highly likely. However, I stayed super basic. Didn't even go deep into in verse scaling. This is a video just to let people know the verse is not only planetary but beyond. I have another video planned for the high levels of power.
@@thatguywithapencil awesome keep up the great vids! 👍
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
Lmfao none of them are even continental. 7DS currently caps at country level excluding maybe chaos
Okay, I'm not sure if you're joking or not. If you are, I did laugh, if you aren't, did you watch the video?
Me: sees video
Also me: yes
Me : Sees Comment
Also Me : *Grins*
After all Demon hendy (5,500 plvl) >>>>>> 30x Gravity
Meliodas 800,000+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>x100 Demon hendy
Interesting interpretation.
How would you scale escanor? From early morning to just before noon and the one state and the one ultimate?
That's spoilers, my man. You'll know where I scale him soon.
1. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
or meliodas just plays pingpong with a fireball for a couple of days and casally creates big bang 2.0
That too!
How strong do you think Meliodas is PHYSICALLY? Considering that he split a big hill with a strength level of 960, what great feat could current Meliodas pull off strength wise?
I know that 50.000 is the last officially stated strength number when Meliodas had a PL of 56000 with demon mark. I still was able to find a way to scale this.
If a hill had a length of 1,5km, I'd say eos base Meliodas should be able to split 591km of ground with his sword.
What do you think?
If he swung now? Probably a good continent. And when he spilt that hill, he was wielding a twig and didn't even touch it. Give him a blade, contact, and numerous amps, he's slicing apart landmassess.
Boys I figured it out if demon king and supreme needed all there power to seal away choas wouldn't that make meliodas dwarf star level
It depends on how you would scale it.
Well zeldris states that meliodas power is even greater than the demon king according to the dictionary greater means considerably
I definitely see it and can actually agree with this meta but I honestly like the sds to stick to being continental like it has always been
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
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I can respect that, but I prefer verses to be stronger. Allows for more competitive battles without equal stats.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
A lot of ppl make the dumb excuse that "CrEaTiOn iSNt =DeSTructiON THereFore HIs aP IsnT STar Lvl"
There is a problem though. Someone could argue a lack of specificity for the time frame of the creation.
@@thatguywithapencil it was just said that they created it no time frame
There's no time frame so they can't argue that
Demon king = indra
Supreme deity = ashura
I think this is more accurate 😂
Dk/sd>Narutoverse
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
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Interesting interpretation!
@@hollowknight9576 highly controversial but ok
@@hollowknight9576 lol
Kaguya was going to destroy a solar system sized dimension with her giant truth seeking orb and you are saying sds verse which is just the country of brittania is stronger 😂😂.
Kaguya or even toneri one shots the sds verse.
problem here is that while comendment bost power they are hax in first place and we don't know how much of that 5% go to hax and how much go to raw power which would mean you cann't realy scale them to planetary
I'm not sure what you mean. If anything, they are power in the first place. They're half his power. Divided into ten. It's the reason Meliodas even wanted to absorb them in the first place. The curse is just a side part of the power he gifted. If they weren't pure power, Meliodas would not have been confident in matching the Demon King by absorbing them. The curses are just extra. And what makes you think the haxes would depower the amp? Was that implied anywhere?
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
@@thatguywithapencil well for example , mael's grace doesn't amp you it just give you ability (that ability could amp you but just having grace doesn't amp you since we see that night escanor still have grace but he is on level of normal people , if grace give him amp as well as ability , at night when he still have grace but ability doesn't work , he would not be on normal human level ) as for comendments , it was just assumtion
I do see what you mean, but even if that is the case due to one exception (In Sunshine) out of fourteen, and let's say the Commandment (5% of the Demon King's Power) is 99% hax and 1% raw power, despite that seeming a bit weird considering the multiple other statements deeming the commandments as power from Meliodas, to evidence of Estarossa absorbing commandments to get actually stronger, to the the Commandments and according the Ludociel the graces being portions their leader's power which came with curses and abilities, they would still planetary. Even if the commandment was 1/1000 of power and the rest hax, the commandment wielder would still be planetary. And that's going off the bare minimum requirement to be Dwarf Star level. Unless you mean to imply that the commandment gives off no power at all, despite contradictory evidence being presented all throughout the series, starting from the original statement of the Commandments being power that come with curses, then Commandments with the lore meta are still planetary.
@@lukaskrivda9374 you realize he can't use the grace because there's no sun to activate it at night unless there's enough energy in rhitta
This’ll be interesting
I bet it will be!
Yep
Yes i agree it is interesting
I bet it is
I bet it will be interesting
didnt escanor use sunshine with an artificial sun?
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
@@thatguywithapencil but this shows that sunshine can work without a real sun, even a illusion could work, it seems more likely that mael used an artificial sun rather than the DK and SD being star busters
@@thatguywithapencil also, another little problem.
( I know power levels are not that accurate, like someone with a PL of 50K sometimes beats someone with a PL of 70K, so like sure, its not 100% accurate but its gives us a general idea, like someone with a PL of 50K is not beating someone with a PL of 200K, unless they are merlin)
if DK is star level, then one commandment is 5% star level, so galan is 5% star level with a PL of 28,000 or in other words, 16,666x planet level. Also meaning someone like gilthunder would be around 1,000x planet level and jerico would be around 57x planet level.
Now if you think peoplelike jeherico and gilthunder are all casual multi planet busters, your theory is probable wrong, am not saying they are not, anything can happen in fiction, but its far more likely that the SD used an artificial sun than Jericho being a planet buster.
The obvious best way to get around this is arguing that PL are not linear
Jo bro could you please make a video about asta vs Meliodas
I will, but I still need to read Black Clover and scale it. I would go off of here-say, but here-say for Black Clover (like all verses) varies a lot.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
@@hollowknight9576 wow you like spamming that dont'cha
i love asta and meliodas but asta will get dogged on
1. *By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
2.can you pls link me to the gowther databook you showed earlier.
1. The contradiction to your point is right in the statement. The device had a limit. Merlin fueled it to the maximum limit with Infinity. And I agree with you, she does have infinite magic. As in the resource. She will never run out of magic. However, she herself is not infinitely powerful. Nor is she ever stated to be. As early as Infinity's introduction it is explained that she simply has no magic cost, not that her magic strength is infinite. Simply the amount of magic she has is infinite, which means she can power anything, which is nice.
2. I got you!
imgur.com/a/emQv9
Scroll for a bit, you'll see it.
1.i said that she has infinite magic bc of the last statement "*the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a 10 mile radius of the user*"
Basically meaning that the device has infinite ap.
And since she's using raw power and hax like so6p orbs or susanoo swords she must've infinite power to create an attack that has infinite ap.
2.thanks but do you have the English translation bc I can't read Japanese.
1. Where does that imply infinite AP? It implies high damage, I'll give you that. Claiming that statement that only talks about a ten miles radius and only exterminating living matter and claiming that that suddenly means that device has INFINITE AP is a MASSIVE claim with NO evidence. The device never even went off. That claim is TOO massive with too little evidence. Especially considering no other statement in the entire series, implies Merlin has infinite AP. You're using a no limits fallacy.
2. Neither can I! I don't have a link to the translated version, a friend translated it for me.
@@thatguywithapencil 1.well it's said that it can annihilate any living matter which I took as infinite ap so idk.
Also watch this vid
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2.welp that's sad.
I saw someone say that we can’t use creation feats if they have no time stamp for how long it took them to make the dimension. Do you agree with it and is there a time stamp somewhere?
I'm iffy on that, because what about universal creation? Is someone like Arceus not multi because we don't have a time stamp? Is Ugo not multi because we don't have a time stamp?
But for this, I understand the criticism, since it's not on a pre time scale, so for now, I switch this to Tarmiel and Sariel, who with their power popped out a dimension in literal seconds, and their world is calced at large planetary.
@@thatguywithapencil bruh, could you please send me the link of these calculations?
@@stevenmartinez5468 got you my boy
instagram.com/p/CITHvpYM6xI/?
@@thatguywithapencil sorry for being like a year late but does the ability to create a planet makes u planetary? would it automatically give you the ability to destroy same size planets
@@djays3232 There are two ways to scale creation feats:
1. The character has the innate ability to create and that energy does not equate to destructive power
2. The character can form their power into solid objects for creation and that same power fuels their attacks
In the case of option 2, creating a planet would require a level of energy far beyond the amount required to destroy it.
Picture a wall made of sand
Want to blow a hole in it, put sand in a gun and you need a small amount of sand
Vs
Making that wall out of sand requires a massive amount more
Thanks next meliodas vs naruto
I'm still going to need time for that one. It's a hefty one, and I want to keep doing my homework to make sure I do not get anything wrong.
@@thatguywithapencil ok thank u take ur time I’m sure it will be a quality video once again
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
@Titus Sanford true true
@@hollowknight9576 might ne stronger bot not a lot stronger than naruto
The real question is
Can Goku destroy a planet 😮
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@@thatguywithapencil lol😂😂😂😂
No goku destroyed a planet when he was fighting beruss
Yup i already knew this crap comment would be on this vid 😑
So i have a quick question because it confused me. From what i hear, you believe that if you can create a star then you can destroy one (correct me if im wrong) but if that was true then humans can destroy mountains since we have created nukes. Im not saying your wrong but im just confused
See, there's the difference. Humans created something that destroyed a mountain. They didn't create the mountain itself. If Demon King and Supreme Deity had built a machine to make their realms, then I wouldn't give it to them. But they were stated to create the realm themselves, so I give it to them. It's like a human making a snowball and then destroying it, except it would be like the human made the snow from nothing and then be able to destroy it.
@@thatguywithapencil how about how humans have made islands?
@@ανσιι-δ6ξ Making and creating is the difference. Humans make things with items and materials that already exist. There was not a Celestial Realm or Demon Realm before the Supreme Deity created them. That means they had to create everything in it from nothing, unlike humans who cannot make something from nothing.
@@thatguywithapencil o i see. Thanks for clarifying, helps a lot
@@thatguywithapencil also i subbed and cant wait for the meli vs naruto vid
I disagree with the idea that the commandments are 1/20 of the Demon King’s power. Their commandments are 1/20 of his power but they themselves are not equal to 1/20 of his power.
I still think they are equal to 1/20 of his power, but I'll go further in depth with scans to back up my reasoning in a Commandments explained video.
What about zeldris' comment about the 7ds combined attack being powerful enough to destroy all of Britannia, wouldn't that have just been continental?
That’s where destructive capacity vs attack potency comes in. There are feats of beginning of series Diane being multi-continental, and others with higher than continental feats that are all weaker than end of series Sins individually, so their attacks combined and multiplied would definitely surpass that. It’s just likely they couldn’t suppress it down as much as they wanted to, which is why they needed the lake.
@@thatguywithapencil Would this be a rational explanation? Since the demon king used the country itself as a vessel, he had country level durability since his durability is that of his vessel?
@@Justin-gt2ch no his durability wouldn't change because of his vessel lol he would have his normal durability because of his attack potency doesn't change if a country lvl being trys to tank a planetary attack he will get vaporizer attack potency is the amount of energy output in the attack u created the destruction capacity is what u can destroy with that attack it doesn't mean that if u only destroy a city that it's only city lvl no lol u can be universal but u yourself can't destroy a universe just a solar system
@@Nirvana-igneel ok thanks!
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Thanks!
What do you recommend me to say about people who say things like that Meliodas is only at the level of the island and country in the best of cases, because I have shown them your video and also explain things like their powers, capabilities and the only thing they tell me to me and this video are meliotards
Just ask them to disprove what you said. If they cannot, well. That's sad.
And also when meliodas dies he becom 3x stronger so yeah
Not anymore.
Would meli be able to one shot a planet?
He would be able to fight on par with somebody who could, taking their attacks and dealing damage. I don’t think Meliodas has the destructive capacity to just punch a planet to dust though.
@@thatguywithapencil he would since creation >>> destruction meliodas was stated by the demon king that he should have ability's that rival his own so meli chosed be able to create dimension
Meli can if he stay in world or son many
Will he destroy a planet
That's passively though, I needed to talk about actively.
If chakra energy from the body doesn’t that make it physical, so doesn’t that mean full counter can deflect chakra
Probably. Considering it can reflect lightning, it's likely.
@@thatguywithapencil full counter can counter elemental/magic type attacks
Full counter (meliodas) deflect MAGIC attacks, chakra Is another type of Energy , so no, full counter cant deflect chakra, or ki, or soul Energy, etc
@@jx8903 do u know how vs battle work all source of energy must equal to each other
@@jx8903 plus u forgetting chakra is physical energy which full counter can deflect
naw the highest is chaos who created the planet, as for everyone else you can either give them country via feats or large country via multipliers but via OCEAN their multi continental . as for mael/escanor its sunshine and all the graces are LITERAL to their names
Flash- literal flash of light
Sunshine - literal sunshine
Ocean- literal ocean
Tornado-literal tornado
Okay, can you debunk the points made in the video? Cause so far, you haven't. When you do that, I'll consider your idea.
@@thatguywithapencil i can cuz yes i agree with most of the things you said but you gotta understand we didnt see the Celes realm yet. So we have no idea if theres a star BUT.. in the belion manga he invaded the realm and there was sunshine but we didnt see a "sun" we can assume but i think its best to wait
@@jalenbrathwaite3252 The reason we know there is at least a dwarf star there, regardless of the fact of whether we saw it or not, is because of Mael's Grace, Sun. It doesn't work without a dwarf star, like I explained in the video, And like you mention, in the manga we see Mael use Sun. Proving it works, and thus there is a dwarf star. So there is no reason wait.
@@thatguywithapencil holy shit right.,.. lmao thats correct. since if there wasnt a sun he wouldnt be able to use his powers...
ima be real with you tho... i wouldnt make anyone other than meliodas (full POWER) SD/DK/FT and chaos planet+ no one else should scale imo
How did chandler turn it to night time? wasnt there a moon behind him? if so then did he manifest a moon to block sun (unlikely because that would eclipse), simply use magic to make it appear as night time, or did he shift the entire earth to face away from the sun? I would assume the former, because based on the way it is said "Demon magic is stronger at night" (estimate im too lazy to find quote unless its in vid..im still too lazy) it implies that it must be actual night time to make demons stronger. so how would he turn it to night time...the night seemed to follow him as he flew, and based on how it looks, it could be that he is literally turning the planet as he flies to always face away from the sun wherever he is. just an idea
but that would put chandler on planet level at least sort of right? or at least strong enough to mess with the gravitational pull. i dont think he would try to destroy the planet beacuse he was looking for meliodas and had only that goal in mind. the demons feed off of the life on earth and in britania, so they wouldnt want to destroy it. but chandler did cut giant ravines into the ground which reached magma.
I do believe he turned the planet in that instance, since it calls it "True Night". I don't know how much energy that would take though, but I'm assuming its a lot.
Well yes Meliodas can destroy a planet his power is called destroy remember and some people call him destroyer because of his power.
That too!
I'm gonna change up the annoying question, can he beat 1st form Frieza though
Depends on where you scale 1st form Frieza. If you stick with Dwarf Star level, yeah.
definitely
@@justsomeonehere884 what about 2ns form?
@@picklewhicle5358 wdym?
@@picklewhicle5358 freiza in any form could kill sds universe. even tho I hate freiza he destroyed the whole saiyan race with a finger
Medaka Kurokami Vs My Hero Academia Verse & Medaka Kurokami Vs Dragon Ball Verse
In time, after I read/watch the series.
Goddess clan = Senju clan
Celestial clan = uzumki clan
Demon clan = uchiha clan
Fairy clan = hyuaga clan
I can see that.
Madara solos entire demon and goddess clan from seven deadly sins
@@metatronic6262 madara is like country level meliodas is star level
@@RavianxReacts bro are you drunk or what
@@RavianxReacts juubidara is like leagues above toneri which was going to obliberate the earth and moon together
Meliodas hasn’t any star level feats.
In battle with demon king using full power they just destroyed some cities while madara just by lifting his hand created like 30-40 meteors and you are saying he is country level.
What's up brother. It's OK?
I’m Brazilian, so I didn’t understand the video, but I know what it’s about.
Can you write here in my commentary only the basics of what is in the video so that I can use as arguments? Because I don't understand your language.
I read in the comments something about a dwarf star, so I wanted to understand about that as well. If you can send each point of the short video, I appreciate it.
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Obrigado por comentar! Para o argumento principal, a Deidade Suprema criou um espaço separado com uma Estrela Anã nele, porque Mael poderia usar sua Graça lá. E Meliodas é mais forte do que ela e o Rei Demônio. Essa é a coisa do homem. Desculpe, tive que usar o google tradutor, então espero que esteja claro o suficiente.
In English, thank you for commenting! For the major argument, the Supreme Deity created a seperate space with a Dwarf Star in it, because Mael could use his Grace there. And Meliodas is stronger than her and the Demon King. That's the man stuff. Sorry, I had to use google translate, so I hope this is clear enough.
@@thatguywithapencil Thanks for answering, bro. I understood it perfectly, but I had never stopped to think about the star she created there.
Is meliodas universal?
If you misinterpret some statements and don't mind outliers he can be. But at the moment, I think not.
cesar salad no i dont even have to debunk that hes just not
@@nipplesauce2948 mk
No
@@picklewhicle5358 ok ty
Since he defeated the demon king
Possibly.
is chaos multi universal?? or outerversal..
No lol 😂
As far as I know? No. Nowhere near.
@@thatguywithapencil just assuming since he created the sds universe
Chaos did not create the universe. It was born amongst the ancient stars, meaning the universe predates it.
@@thatguywithapencil In the manga merlin does say that chaos created the world, the gods and the 5 races from nothingness and they also say that chaos has the power to destroy everything.
I debunked naruto in ur discord, did u see it?
I did not, but I shall check!
What’s his Discord lol?
Here, I have something for you. *Extends Hand*
discord.gg/3492eWxT
@@thatguywithapencil I’m Cloudz on discord
Yas can
I concur.
Dk Mel is stronger than the dk who is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy stronger than war arc Merlin who had infinite magic.
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Also can you link to the gowther databook you just showed earlier.
Her Infinite magic refers to her resource pool, not her level of power. She's not infinite, she just won't run out of magical energy.
@@thatguywithapencil1.
*By Gowther's request, Merlin installed in him a device for self-destruction; using a magic extract from Escanor's Sunshine as a base, adding the four elements of destruction and taking it to the maximum limit with Infinity, the device is capable of exterminating any and all living matter in a radius of 10 miles from the user.*
nanatsu-no-taizai.fandom.com/wiki/Gowther
So she herself should have infinite magic since she can grant a device infinite magic.
2.can you pls link me to the gowther databook you showed earlier.
Meliodas vs narotu hos win meliodas yas
I will be doing a battle on that one.
Ludociel = tobirama
Pretty much. Both don't like the Demons/Uchiha.
I don't think Tobi is as stronger than any of the commandments
I wanna see ludocial vs minato or tobirama
Bueno sí meliodas es universal, entonces ya podría ganarle a algunos personajes por ejemplo: naruto, luffy, a goku no creo que pueda aún que no se xd, mucho menos con algunos de marvel comics
¿Cómo es Meliodas universal?
@@thatguywithapencil pero si dijiste que meliodas podría destruir un planeta
Sí, un planeta. No es un universo, que es lo que dijiste. ¿Tiene alguna prueba de eso o leí mal su comentario?
didnt escanor use sunshine with an artificial sun?
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
didnt escanor use sunshine with an artificial sun?
Bro shut up😐
At least the way Gowther explains it, Escanor didn't use Sunshine on purpose, his body and thus his magic were tricked into perceiving a Sun, which was like a reflex he couldn't control and only lasted for a couple seconds because it wasn't actually a Sun. He never can just turn it on.
@@thejoker2497 hmmm? fight me