People sometimes don’t understand the scope of his extreme power because it’s too big. I just wish the curse was the main relevance at the end of the DK fight
Thanks for the comment! Meliodas' power is crazy to think about, and I know I didn’t go too in depth on everything, mainly to not extend the video by half an hour, but what are the main things you find problems with? I’ll see if I can address them here.
I'm going to do the power video first, and then the speed. Those will take the place of the two next respect videos, while I work on other respect videos. Was thinking of doing King or Escanor next, who would you want to see?
Another great and honest Video. So glad I found a channel that finally says the truth about seven deadly sins characters and their powers. Hope those BC fans can see this soon 😑
No. In Purgatory, it was just a different time flow from the regular world, and Demon King Meliodas popped out of the Cocoon before Merlin's spell took affect as she planned, so he never moves in stopped time, limiting his speed beneath inaccessible.
Arthur is pretty difficult to scale as his powers basically do random shit whenever he’s feeling bothered, so both his upper and lower limit are almost impossible to pinpoint
I’m sorry but meli beats naruto off of hax alone but whenever they’re put up against eachother all they give meli is full counter like he’s not a walking hack I’m glad I found this video explaining his full potential
The DK created a dimension that had a different time and space, he’s able to manipulate both simultaneously. That’s a 4D feat, meliodas surpasses him, shouldn’t u have put meliodas 4D also. But if u don’t wanna put him that high even though it’s safely scaled. The SD has a star in her dimensions which powered mael to fight off demons. Creation>destruction meliodas is star minimum
1. He created a separate space when he made the Demon World. It's never stated or even implied to run on a different time than the Mortal Realm or any of the other ones. You may be conflating the Demon World with Purgatory, which is an entirely separate time space, and is specifically mentioned to be. There are ways to get Meliodas to 4D, but not that way. 2. I know. I mentioned that.
Purgatory manipulates time and space simultaneously, “The air is scorching hot and freezing cold at the same time” “1 minute in purgatory is 60 years here” there’s space and time manipulation. But there’s also the statement where it says purgatory is infinite in size. Meliodas surpasses the DK, ur scaling is extremely low for meliodas
The Demon King did not create Purgatory. He was sealed there. So all of Purgatory's statements do not apply to the Demon king and thusly Meliodas. The Demon World and Purgatory are two separate places, a lot of people conflate them by accident. This is even proven when Meliodas and Elizabeth are about to go to the Demon World and Meliodas asks Hawk to come with them, only for Hawk to say he's going to Purgatory instead. If they were the same, Hawk would have gone with them. There is a way to get Meliodas and many characters to 4D. It's by using Drole and Gloxinia creating an entirely separate timeline with all the realms, including the regular mortal universe, all the other realms and Purgatory, and then the statements apply. I squint at that awkwardly though, and I consider it a high ball for the verse.
That Guy With A Pencil they’re used interchangeably throughout the anime, when monspeet transformed into indura they were stated to be purgatory beast. Demons shunned by their own race, the DK created the demons
The Demon World and Purgatory are two separate places. Why would the Demon King have any problem breaking out of his own realm? Why would the goddesses seal him there if it’s his homeland? Why would Hawk specifically differentiate between Purgatory and the Demon World? Why would Meliodas specifically explain to Ban that there are only two types of creatures in Purgatory and not mention demons? Why would the Demon King not just destroy Purgatory if he created it to break free? Why would multiple people state that no living creature can survive in Purgatory if the living creatures in Demons come from there? Why are Demons such as the Ten Commandments not drastically older if they come from such a warped place? Why would they be specifically noted as two separate places on multiple occasions if they weren’t? You have one piece of them being used interchangeably, and I’m pretty sure Galand says Indura roam the Demon World, not purgatory. I’m fine with you getting Meliodas to 4D, but there are ways to do that that do not contradict the series.
That Guy With A Pencil who created purgatory? If chaos was sealed and the DK is only rivaled by the SD, how was something made to hold him? It’s a extremely hard thing to understand since nobody is on par with those two, the only other answer is chaos made it, but that doesn’t seem likely.
I think Chaos is the only logical answer we have. Or that it just existed before everything. Or there is no answer. Seven Deadly Sins has lots of unanswered lore based questions. We still don’t even know who created the verse itself, since Chaos itself was “Born among the ancient stars” Whatever that means. We still don’t fully understand the entire backstory because we simply don’t have it. However, there is FKOTA coming up so we may get answers there. That’s all we can hope for.
It's not really calcs, more so upscaling using what the series has shown us. I always use the Liz's Gift Sword panel for reacting to lightning, but technically Meliodas as early as chapter six with Dragon Handle is easily reacting to lightning. Though, I'll make an entire video explaining it anyway.
didnt meliodas give away all his power to destroy the commandments ? doesnt that make him weaker than the demon king then since the commandments are only half of the demon kings power.... and meliodas needed an eqaul power to that to destroy them....correct me if im wrong, also you should do a video on escanor....that man crazy
No he didn’t he kept them to free the curse but he still has the graces and not only that he gained double the power his true magic form is stronger than his self with only the 10 commandments that’s why I hate those videos where they do like naruto v meli and the only thing they give meli is full counter like he doesn’t have the power to kill you just for touching him...literally pacifism commandment
I did hit you with that Escanor vid, but no, Meliodas isn't weaker the Demon King. Even in a lesser state he was fighting the Prime Demon King, and Meliodas sacrificed his higher power to stay in Britannia. It's like a lot of lesser character could have destroyed the commandments.
Sacred Treasure is up in the air, and has multiple answers and the same can be said for the True Magic form. I’ll discuss my own views and what I’ve heard in future videos.
Thank you! In the first part its a pitched up version of Oscurita di Xehnaort from Kingdom Hearts: ua-cam.com/video/bpprqh9tuPM/v-deo.html In the intro its Apex of World from Fire Emblem, also pitched up. ua-cam.com/video/3eq-qUy-a-A/v-deo.html
now that I'm watching this I'm realizing what I thought were feats of strength were just abilities like with Twigo, Meliodas was just using full counter and with Meliodas' fight with the 10 commandments, I thought Estarossa stopped his blade with pure strength but it was just his commandment activating.
The light speed calculations here are outdated, but he can still get to those speeds by upscaling from Oslo and Mini Diane, who have feats of reacting to and outmaneuvering light. It's a lot more complicated that that, but next week I'll be doing a speed video, so check back then.
Just wanted to clear a misconception, the light speed talked about here is meliodas reaction speed, of course his actual must be somewhere around lightning level lowballing
@@Lucifer-up8yj gotcha. I get into debates a lot with those vs posts on Facebook and people really don't understand how fast meliodas really is just because they either don't know or they don't understand how he stands up to other fast folk in the series
@@Korihiji-icefire yeah me too, I'm currently debating with a fairy tail fantard who says meliodas is bare building level and says natsu beats true magic meliodas in his base form, now what can I say to that kid I don't know😂😂😂
This video is lit, thank god finally found someone who realize the true potential of meliodas, there's aguy who says that meliodas is barely building level🤣🤣
@@thatguywithapencil yeah and I showed him this video, and he was like totally ignoring me and we never talked after that, hmmm...i wonder what that means??🤔🤔🤔
i know yall thinkin what im thinkin.......😈 what if meliodas gets some of the chaos power since he has no power after the curse is broken then gets some of the angel powers to go up against the chaos king and merlin in the chaos arc he would be a fuccing GOD he would molly wop everyone
you know meliodas prime is like estimated to be 350-360k but how does he lose to escanor when hes back to his full strength in his assault form when mael was stronger than escanor yet meliodas loses to escanor but can scare off mael easily
Meliodas was suppressed and not at his prime state against Escanor. He was growing back into it with time. So the Meliodas Mael fought is stronger than the Meliodas that fought Escanor.
@That Guy With A Pencil My friends are telling me Meliodas has infinite speed, and at least uni+ to multiversal and 4D. What do you think? Also is it possible to make Meliodas 4D?
Well, I'd need to hear your friends arguments before just flat out saying no, but so far as I know personally there is no way to get Meliodas to universal, not to talk of multiversal or 4D. At the moment, no, 4D Meliodas is not a prospect.
They gave a scan of Meliodas presence being able to destroy a mortal plane. They also said that this video I watched is their evidence which I don’t see anything that points to their arguments.
@@Gaia2217T The mortal plane is consistently mistranslated, and typically translates out to world or Britannia. And since as far as I know, the mortal plane translation is only said once, so it would be an outlier. And that's okay. Unless they have evidence, I think their arguments don't apply.
@@Gaia2217T Mel in the manga is Multi-versal and has high inaccessible speed Eos meliodas is thousands of times stronger than any commandment who were stated to be transcended beings photos.app.goo.gl/wa8v8ddT88LnTPVh6 Transcended beings are 4d or low multi-versal This is also not that much of an exaggeration as ban was being serious when saying that manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-172-page-6.html As for high inaccessible speed, the 10 commandments are capable of residing in the coffin of eternal darkness which exists outside of the physical world photos.app.goo.gl/6skJC5Sn5xEV3N4a7
Ik this is an old video, but does the multiplier meta/lore meta get confusing especially when you're applying the power levels that are shown in the manga (as well as supplementary information)?
Power levels in general are confusing. Even in the context of the narrative, they don't tend to match up with what the series shows us or what the characters say. They can be argued to work in weird ways though, so it depends.
Thank you for your comment! While I'm pretty confident Helbram, Merlin, and a couple other characters mention speed increasing with power, I do not have those chapters and statements off the top of my head. However, I can explain multiple situations where speed has multiplied with power to prove it's not head canon. Meliodas and Ban, they're fighting evenly speed wise, Ban actually being faster. Meliodas activates Demon Mark, which doubles his power, he blitzes an amped Ban. If just power increased, not speed, Melidoas still wouldn't be able to hit Ban. Meliodas goes Berserk, which drastically multiplies his power, and he blitzes Ban, who was once faster than him in base, but no longer because Meliodas increased his power. If speed did not get multiplied as well, Ban would have been able to dodge. Helbram increased his power against Beserk Meliodas with help from Hendrickson, and then his speed increases and he blitzes Meliodas. If just power increased and no speed, meliodas would have been able to react. Galand, shows up, blitzes everybody out of their mind, so badly that Merlin cannot even comprehend him moving. Meliodas, regains his old power, and proceeds to move too fast for Galand to react to. If power alone increased, Meliodas wouldn't be able to touch Galand with his new power since Galand would be too fast. Then, he uses his Sacred Treasure, which is explicitly stated to increase a Sins abilities, and legitimately blitzes him so badly that Galand cannot even comprehend him. If just power increased and no speed, then Galand would have been able to react. Escanor. Without his power, is slower and weaker than Galand. Escanor with his power. Blitzes Galand. If just power increased and no speed, Escanor would not be able to hit Galand. Monspeet and Derieri are fighting Ludoshel. They're not able to touch him at all, he's too fast. Monspeet and Derieri go Indura, which increases their power drastically, and then they blitz Ludoshel. If just power increased, they would still not be able to touch Ludoshel. King, Post-Training, is slower than Four Commandment Mael. King gets his Full Wings, powers up, he's blitzing Mael. If just power increased, Mael would be able to react. Zeldris, fights on par with Margaret Body Ludoshel in regular Demon Mark. Increases his power. Moves so fast that Ludoshel cannot comprehend. If just power increased, then Ludoshel would be able to react. Power and speed increase together. There is too much evidence to suggest otherwise. I didn't even use all the examples the series gives to show us this, but I gave you a good chunk of them. Then, even without the examples, think about it. Do you mean to tell me that beginning fo series Jericho is just as fast as the Demon King? That Midnight Escanor is just as fast as Daytime Escanor? That BOS Base Meliodas is just as fast as Assault Mode Post-Ressurection Meliodas? No, come on now, you know that makes so sense. We also know that the stronger the character is, the better they can react to things. Gilthunder who was stronger than Jericho managed to dodge Diane and save Jericho at the same time, while Jericho who was weaker than Gilthunder couldn't even react to Diane and needed to be saved. I'll give you this, it would be one thing if the series never showed people getting blitzed or out-sped. If everyone operated on the same speed level and there was no blitzing or outpacing or characters being unable to keep up with another character, then I'd give it to you. It would be pure head canon to assume that a verse that works like that would raise power and speed in tandem. However, Seven Deadly Sins does not work like that. Speed is just as if not more important than power in the verse, as speed decides a lot of endings to battles and major ramifications in them. I'll go hunt for those speed and power correlating statements for you, I'm happy to help. You do get what I mean though right? Or do you want more examples of speed and power multiplying in tandem? I can provide those too.
@@thatguywithapencil "While I'm pretty confident Helbram, Merlin, and a couple other characters mention speed increasing with power, I do not have those chapters and statements off the top of my head." do you mind finding those? "Meliodas and Ban, they're fighting evenly speed wise, Ban actually being faster. Meliodas activates Demon Mark, which doubles his power, he blitzes an amped Ban. If just power increased, not speed, Melidoas still wouldn't be able to hit Ban." meliodas's speed increasing with his strength =/= MULTIPLIES with his strength. It adds on speed, sure, but that doesnt really mean it multiplies it. also meliodas, even before the demon mark while fighting ban, was stated to STRONGER, yet slower then ban. If speed was consistent with strength in the series, why wasnt meliodas faster then ban *before* demon mark? your logic btw "Meliodas goes Berserk, which drastically multiplies his power, and he blitzes Ban, who was once faster than him in base, but no longer because Meliodas increased his power. If speed did not get multiplied as well, Ban would have been able to dodge." once again that doesnt mean it multiplies the speed, only increases. also even if it did, this implies speed multipliers is linear with every multiplier witch cant be verified to be true, and ends up giving us outlier results like meliodas being 2 billion times the speed of light despite never showing feats anywhere close to that, which is outright ridiculous. "Helbram increased his power against Beserk Meliodas with help from Hendrickson, and then his speed increases and he blitzes Meliodas. If just power increased and no speed, meliodas would have been able to react." same argument from before, which doesnt work. it assumes speed is being multiplied and even if it WAS being multiplied, it assumes speed is multiplied is a linear fasion every multiplication. im just gonna skip the rest of these examples because they present the same argument. "Galand, shows up, blitzes everybody out of their mind, so badly that Merlin cannot even comprehend him moving." btw no. base gaaland was already calculated to be in the quad MACHs based on the feat where he ran out of merlins influence faster then she could comprehend. no where near lightspeed "Meliodas, regains his old power, and proceeds to move too fast for Galand to react to." this Is true, however, your forgetting that during the same arc, a derieri with a power level *3000 points lower* then meliodas was blitzing him with combo star. keep in mind meliodas with demon mark (holy knight saga) blitzed ban with his demon mark that wasnt even *2000* times larger. but meliodas was having trouble reacting to combo star? ok. "Power and speed increase together. There is too much evidence to suggest otherwise." sure, but power increasing, once again =/= multiplying. also speed feats in the series like i just demonstrated is wildly inconsistent. "Do you mean to tell me that beginning fo series Jericho is just as fast as the Demon King? That Midnight Escanor is just as fast as Daytime Escanor? That BOS Base Meliodas is just as fast as Assault Mode Post-Ressurection Meliodas? No, come on now, you know that makes so sense." of course they arent, but your missing the point. the problem with speed multipliers in 7ds is that 1) theres no proof strength multiplies with speed 2) you're using these multipliers as the holy grail of evidence, when in fact, they arent. there are no author statements, character statements, in story feats, and no logically sound reason to believe they are in the billions of times faster then light. does speed increase? obviously, but to imply it MULTIPLIES would be fallacious because youve provided no such proof. this is ignoring all the blatant inconsistencies around speed in the story. Arthur, having only a power level of 40,000, was able to keep up with beings in the 100,000 range. logically he shouldve been blitzed immediately, but he wasnt. i do get what you mean though. but implying meliodas is anything above lightspeed is just humorous to me at best. edit: which
Thank you for your response! I see your point, and I do understand it. My bad. When Merlin ststaed "Force" to be physical ability in chapter 106, I assumed that to be all physical attributes from physical power to physical speed. I understand what you mean about the multipliers, but that comes from simply interpreting what the series laid out for us through character statements and series statements. A lot of multipliers just come from Ban's Snatch, Helbram's Link, and the Demon King/Supreme Deity's splitting of their power, but I still see your point. Seems weird to me that speed and power wouldn't increase in tandem since durability and offensive capability increase in tandem, but I still understand your grievances. The one thing I don't get is you wanting the series to display how much faster than light or anything they are. I think I have an idea of what you mean, you want something like light moving slow next to them or something? I see what you mean. Power levels are rough estimates given to quantify a fighter in a certain moment. They are rarely accurate to a fighter's true potential in a fight and constantly fluctuate, which is why I don't personally put too much stock in them. I actually see Meliodas, even regularly scaled with no multipliers or anything being faster than light though. Ark is described in narrative as light particles, and multiple characters weaker than end of series Meliodas are able to blitz these light beams. Three Commandment Mael is able to fight against and around Tarmiel's light beams, then Full Wings King is capable of outright blitzing Four Commandment Mael's light beams, and Full Power EOS Meliodas is at least as fast as Full Wings King.
@@thatguywithapencil@swerzye You were technically not wrong about the multiplier, as you see there are a lot of people who confuses between reaction speed and actual speed like @swerzye did,the reaction speed you talked about in your vid is totally plausible as he can react to attacks many times faster than light, its pretty obvious that as you get stronger your reflexes also increases, and so if meliodas power is multiplied so does his reaction speed. And as a matter of fact we know that as you gain reflexes your movement speed also increases to account for your reaction speed. So his actual speed should be anywhere around 1/2 the speed of light minimum. Hope this helps
See, I would agree with that, but a base Meliodas was slapping up Zeldris plus the Ten Commandments. And then Demon Mark Meliodas slapped up a Demon King with Zeldris' body with the Ten Commandments plus an amp, and then a Prime Demon King he fought in Demon Mark for the most part, and by the time he went Assault Mode, an even stronger Britannic Demon King could not touch him. In True Magic, a form he never even bothered to use against the Demon King, a power that Meliodas, the Demon King, and Zeldris, all beings who should have a at least a general idea of the Demon King's full might (Meliodas fought and slapped him in base, the Demon King is the Demon King, and Zeldris was a vessel for the DK's prime self), all say Meliodas' true magic surpasses the Demon King. He got rid of his power to destroy the Demon King on multiple planes of existence, in both Purgatory and the Commandments in the Mortal Realm and to make sure he could stay in the Mortal Realm.
@@thatguywithapencil 1. Elizabeth was slapping up one of the zeldris demon king versions, that should be enough proof that he wasnt at 50% yet. Even when he reached his third form the demon king was not at full power yet, he continued to gain power throughout the entire fight due to the lake until he began to fight escanor. As shown when he went from getting solo'd by mel to soloing ban, mel, and king. 2. Brittanic demon king is THE WEAKEST version of the demon king. He could not touch NO SIN. Doesnt mean gowther is the strongest. Anyone who thinks a dirt vessel is stronger than 2 of the demon kings own children arent worth debating. Merlin even said it's a pathetic vessel and none of the sins were scared. 3. The Demon king stated meliodas was weaker than him while knowing about True magic. And dont bother making the arguement "hes just cocky" because the demon king said a human equaled him. 4. Literally only zeldris has stated he was stronger than father, and the only way that could possibly be true is if zeldris is referring to the dirt demon king, who's literally the weakest version of the bunch. 5. Wrong, it was never shown and not even stated that the demon king in purgatory was affected. We saw the commandments get destroyed, not the demon king. Dont know where the hell that came from. His full power cancelled out half the demon kings. Simple math. Demon king acknowledged a human to be his equal and his sons to be below him.
Sorry for the delay, I didn't see your response at first. 1. Yeah, but that regaining of power does not mean Zeldris' body was not fueled by the Ten Commandments. Him regaining is power is leading to all the over half of his power that was missing because of his real body being sealed in Purgatory, and then the extra power he lost with age. First form Demon King Zeldris is still Zeldris body + The Ten Commandments, just as Demon King Meliodas is Meliodas body + the Ten Commandments. And for the Elizabeth thing, that is just end of series power creep. Escanor with no Sacred treasure late noon is able to combat the Prime Demon King when before he couldn't even deal with Ominous Nebula Zeldris. Merlin who was convinced that once the Original Demon showed up that her team had lost all chance of winning, was not only confident against the Prime Demon King, but actually damaged him. Drole Dance Diane who was able to do nothing against Four Commandment Mael, managed temporarily overwhelm the prime Demon King. Elzabeth damaging him isn't an antifeat for the first stage of Demon King Zeldris, it's just a feat for her. 2. Actually, no. While Merlin does say that his body is rushed, and all the Sins seem confident, the Britannic Demon King manages to restrain the One Ultimate Escanor who was absolutely bodying him while in his prime, and required Merlin to activate Limit Breaker for yje Sins in order to break out of Death's Zero, and then he must be defeated by Fate of the Discordant Foe rather than them actually him individually, which is what they did against the Prime DK. Those feats alone put him above a lot of his weaker forms, such as DK Meliodas and first and Second Form DK. Prime DK is debatable, but even then, Britannic Demon King's feats are better, in spite of the statements. 3. When the Demon King said that he was superior to Meliodas, he was referring to the despaired Demon Mark Meliodas he was fighting at the time. Meliodas never used his full power against the Demon King, he never even used Assault Mode up until the very end because he was in turmoil about Zeldris and he didn't want to kill him, but save him. 4. The Demon King says Meliodas could rival him with his True Magic, manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-318-page-16.html Griamore says they are on par, manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-311-page-5.html and Zeldris, who has met with the Demon King in the past, literally was the Demon King for a while, and likely has a good scope of his power clearly states Meliodas surpasses him manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-332-page-12.html. That three seperate statements that all say Meliodas is at least equal to the Demon King, and I'd say that the Demon King knows his own strength. 5. Well, no, I think you are just forgetting. Here's the page where Meliodas says his plan in chapter 332. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-332-page-13.html Then, the Demon King dies on all planes of reality, confirmed by Merlin in chapter 337. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-337-page-17.html That means Meliodas eradicted the entireity of the Demon King, with his full power. If they were equal, they would have neutralized, but no, Meliodas killed him. Also, there's a freshly awoken True Magic Meliodas who is in base bodied the Demon King, erasing his entire arm. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-285-page-10.html Hope that explains why Meliodas is stronger than him. Sorry for the delay, once again.
@@thatguywithapencil I definitely agree that the power-scaling of the series went completely whack after around the 280+ mark. We see Ban handling the Demon King well, King fodderizing 4C-Mael, Mael one-shotting the Original Demon, Escanor rivaling the Demon King, Diane at 50k injuring Indura (a threat that overwhelmed 3AA at once). But as for the Elizabeth feat, it's not a case of PL's scaling stupidly because the Demon King she was fighting was still fairly weak, he still had to fully possess his vessel, evident by how he couldn't use ''The Ruler'' until he was in a form comparable to his original body in its prime. This is proven, by how base Meliodas pretty much evens this form of the Demon King, and there's no implication base Meliodas got stronger here, he's not even using his original magic, just the very base of his power in the form of kicks and punches. This Demon King is basically just Zeldris with a very little amp, IMO, and Elizabeth in a human body isn't close to her original strength, although she should be relative to Zeldris level (after all, she did bruise Meliodas with a casual ark, and that Meliodas was FAR above Zeldris). Demon King possessing Brittannia shouldn't be on the same level as possessing a real body, given how his sons should be better vessels than mere dirt, and to suggest the opposites is pretty silly. Plus, it was a ditch last resort for the Demon King, if it was a stronger form from the get go, why didn't he do it straight after being rejected from Meliodas? There was no implication that he was stronger than his previous forms as well. I personally agree with this. Demon King in his second form when possessing Zeldris made Meliodas go into his demon mark, and still seemed to struggle. Meliodas being despaired just made him hold back, not get weaker. Well yeah, Meliodas at full power is equal to the Demon King. Zeldris may have said Meliodas was stronger, but it was probably Meliodas just being a little bit stronger, nothing too much, and this was proven by how half of the Demon King's power (50% - the ten commandments with no possession) destroyed Meliodas God powers, as did his powers to them. They destroyed each other, implying a level of equality. Meliodas is not equal to the Demon King (100%) prior to the creation of the commandments. The story never suggests this, instead, Meliodas tells us he needs equal power to the Gods to break the curse, a feat done by them at 50% of their original strength. Even his father, at 50% of his power, suggests Meliodas equals that form of him, so there's nothing in the story to suggest Meliodas was beyond that. The commandments are an extension of the Demon King, existing as HALF of his strength and will. They're an extension to him, not tied to his life force at all, destroying them shouldn't eradicate his body in purgatory, the other half to his original strength, that makes no sense. Destroying half of something, doesn't get rid of the entirety of it, put two and two together. In reality, destroying them should've mean't leaving the Demon King vibing in purgatory, permanently nerfed to 50% as half of his original power was destroyed, not kill him lol. The only way this adds up is if Meliodas attack before leaving purgatory on his father, the wound that robbed him of his arm, was an attack that killed him. But that's silly, the Demon King has lived for billions of years in that body, created curses of immortal life and created powerful demonic beings, an injury like that shouldn't be life threatening, at worst case, he'd just lose the arm permanently. Plus, if Meliodas is equal to the Demon King at 100%, then him destroying HALF of the Demon King (50%) shouldn't destroy all of his own powers as a God as well, at most it would mean half of his God powers would be gone, leaving him equal to a DK at 50%, still destroying the realm and unable to stay in it, but after destroying the commandments, he was able to live in it perfectly fine, proving he was equal to 50% of the DK, not 100%. I mean this is the Demon King at 50% of his original strength, with ''The Ruler'' deactivated and basically off-guard with how he's sticking his arm down the drain like that. Meliodas power was seen as ''hax'' in a way. Like Merlin, his abilities superseded any existence of a higher PL, as established above, Meliodas in God form is equal to DK (50%). So base form is far below this, but his original magic is just hax really.
I don't have a specific number for you, but I can give you general area. Lowballing him, he's lightning speed. Mid balling him he's FTL, or FTL+. Wanking him and using Oslo he's MFTL
So do you think meliodas going to be able to get his power back or a power that surpasses his demon king one ? He also prob going to go indura form in sequel
I do not think so. I think there's a reason Nakaba so blatantly nerfed Meliodas right before the series ended. There's no real reason to restore that power or replace it, at least from a writing perspective. As for Indura, I can see that happening to job Meliodas to the next big villain, only to die. It's sad, but I don't think we'll be getting much of the Sins in the sequel.
That Guy With A Pencil just seems kind of weird to have meliodas,pretty much hold back the entire series and never use his own original magic power once. It just seems like an odd thing to do. Especially with his Demon king form. Seems like such a waste to not do anything with it. Like at all.
Oh trust me, I agree. I was seriously expecting the Supreme Deity to drop down once the Demon King was truly destroyed, all the Sins to be too fatigued to fight, and then Meliodas being forced to use his true power all at once to contend with a Supreme Deity who absorbed her Graces back and we would end the series at that. Then the Chaos Arc happened. I think the series ended strangely, and that Meliodas' true power was honestly a strange waste.
That Guy With A Pencil chaos part was definitely used as a bridge/link between series (sins and this new one coming) similar to how kaguya was the link to the boruto sequel
You know what, I'm going to go ahead and ask why do people think SDS is MFTL and Star lvl. "The Goddess Realm had stars" Creation =/= Destruction. "Meliodas Existence Cause Calamities" That's literally not his doing, The world is reacting to him, not him making the calamities, It's a reaction of his existence in the world. "MFTL Meliodas" This I need an explanation on, because to me, Multipliers are unreliable. It doesn't split thing evenly since SDS power lvl splits into 3 Categories being Spirit, Strength, and Magic. Meliodas using his curse mark also isn't always a 2X multiplier also according to Balors Magical Eye. The multipliers are too inconsistent for me so please try to explain without using some multiplier wank.
To be honest, I also don't see Meliodas (call him Mel for now) as star level. I don't like using such levels because it is prone to inconsistencies and are vague. There are big and small stars for example. I prefer to scale with actual feats and other obvious things which are not prone to falacies. No limit falacy for example. Though I will try to answer your questions. "The Goddess Realm had stars" I also agree with Creation =/= Destruction. I don't like to scale Mel this way. People do the same with Naruto. This kind of scaling is kinda weird to me. This doesn't mean Meliodas is weak. He is a freak in striking power and strength. His physical strikes ain't no joke. Considering he split a large hill with a power level of 3370 while his strength was actually 960! after getting his powers back, it grew to 50000 with demon mark (O.o). I know power level can be inconsistent. Still these power levels are official. current Mel is now much stronger. So, To be honest, he is fitted for the Tournament of Power lol. I see him surviving halfway. Certainly above Roshi in physical stats. people would say Roshi is above moon level so he wins. He is that level only because of his kameha. You think Mel is waiting for that charging attack? Nah.. power levels in dbz are weird too. AP is often higher than durability. Meliodas surely has the strength to hurt even Piccolo. "The Goddess Realm had stars" It is stated that the power was too great that he cannot stay in the mortal plane. It is verbatim stated in the manga so far I can recall. Maybe this wouldn't happen if Mel could control his True magic form power. "MFTL Meliodas" I DO think Mel is FTL+ in combat speed. It's simple, Mel has attacks that require to move at such speeds. For example, the moment Mel cut Galand in an instant. None of the 10 commandments saw it coming. Or when Mel punched Ban during the fight. Ban had holes in his body. This happened in an instant, no one saw it and thought Meliodas was done for. Meliodas can do 1000 slashes in an instant(you can find it on wiki, it's an offical ability). He does this by raising his conentration to his utmost limits. Now that current Meliodas is much stronger than the example I gave, it is only logical that he can pull off those attacks at even higher speeds. It doesn't surprise me he is FTL+/MFTL Hope this helps!
For me Meliodas is universal since the demon King created the demon realm and the demon realm has time and space and hawk stated that the demon realm is purgatory and Merlin said that purgatory is an endless , hellish realm , meaning that the demon King created a infinite 4d /universal structure and hawk said that meliodas is stronger than the demon King making meliodas 4d/universal
No, the Demon Realm and Purgatory are not the same place. Hawk states the exact opposite of that, stating that he wants to go to Purgatory and not the Demon Realm when Meliodas offers to take him there. And while Purgatory has statements for being a separate space time, the Demon Realm doesn’t, it’s just a separate space. The two realms have similar descriptions, but they are different locations. When Meliodas explains the creatures of Purgatory he never mentions Demons or Indura, it doesn’t make sense for the Demon King to not break out of a realm he created if he was sealed there, and Purgatory is mainly a realm of the dead while the Demon Realm has living creatures in it that can survive, unlike in Purgatory where you need an immortal or new body.
Arent the celestial realms infinite in scale? Which means that they’re universal in size? If the sd created these with ease, and Meliodas is far above him, he’s universal+ at minimum no? That’s only if this is correct tho
I mean, you can argue the Celestial Realm contains "endless floating islands" with this scan manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-267-page-6.html but no, I don't think its mentioned anywhere that the Celestial Realm is infinite.
@@bisha5388 problem with momoshiki being so strong is that naruto and sasuke had absolutely no buisness beating him. the fact that boruto kept up with momoshiki at all, physically, shows that the powerscaling wasnt even considered. Naruto and sasuke were both around half power, and its debatable that they could even beat momo or kinshiki by themselves. but combined? its just stupid that they could overpower them at all in my opinion. but..i guess its canon!
@@zaclovesschool2273 what are you talking about are you saying naruto and sasuke coudt have beaten mom by them self. And what do you mean by boruto keeping up with mom
@@bisha5388 I mean naruto and sasuke had no right beating momoshiki in a battle of power. Naruto is continental ap at best, and moon durability. Momoshiki has devoured hundreds of thousands of god trees and kinshiki alone could split planets, so when fused, they should have been unbeatable at that point. but the writers were so incompotent that they stretched naruto and sasuke to be able to beat him just so theyd have a cool badass moment. even kurama said that naruto had gotten rusty due to not training or fighting for so long. and boruto blitzed momoshiki and hit him with a rasengan. there was asolutely no way boruto should have even been able to SEE momoshiki moving, much less FIGHT him. just made no sense at all.
due to his feats against momoshiki, you could now say that boruto performed better than every other kage against momoshiki, and is now a high kage level fighter (bordering on six paths). which is ridiculous
I have no idea. I'm assuming Meliodas was just being nice. He usually let's people who shouldn't be able to hit him, hit him, so I think he was just pacifying Ban.
@@thatguywithapencil Yeah Meliodas has this thing where he controls his PL to insane degrees for different things. He wants to have a friendly arm wrestle with Ban! It'd be pretty anticlimactic if he just shoved him into the earths core xD
@@thatguywithapencil They show it during the drill and gloxinia fight festival where even restored power meli got destroyed by ban in an arm wrestle and ban chopped it up to explosive force
W speed scale but I strongly disagree for the AP scale. When DK created the demon realm, he did create space and time out of nothingness. So 7DS AP is FAR beyond solar system.
The only reason I disagree, is because we know the Demon Realm runs on the same time that all the other realms do. Only Purgatory is a separate time space. Meaning we can't assume its universal until we have proof.
Can asta beat meliodas ok ok hear me out and please don’t hate me lol so meliodas has magic ok ok asta has anti magic and His sword is a Demon slayer sword sooo maybe it would work and will also take away meliodas magic and asta is light speed so he could keep up with meliodas maybe A.Meliodas claps asta B.Asta claps meliodas C.Asta steals meliodas and somehow uses his power
This video is so wrong. It claims Meliodas is thousands of times light speed when he fought the 10 commandments. However Zeldoris when he fights Escanor and Merlin later on during the war is when he has his true power is way stronger than Meliodas is this point. And Zeldoris absolute fastest attack Dark Nebula which is probably the best speed feat in the series up until the Demon King enters, is stated light speed followed by "and that's not even an exaggeration" implying that being faster than light isna ridiculous feat that is hard to be believed. And that was so fast that Escanor, Merlin and the others didnt even known what was attacking them. So a much weaker and slower Meliodas cant be 6000x light speed. It just doesnt add up
Hi! While the speed in this video is outdated, that statement you’re referring to is a mistranslation. Remember, Goddess Clan members as weak as Nerobasta use light, so locking Zeldris at light speed makes no sense. Also, this is my bad, but when I say speed in this video I’m referring to combat speed, not travel speed.
@@thatguywithapencil ok thanks. Do you have the actual translation, or do you know what the actual translation because I checked multiple places and although the wording varies they all said that Daek Nebula was impressive for being even faster than light.
@@thatguywithapencil plus sometimes in anime and manga characters can use light based attacks without actually light speed for example Aoyama in my hero academia can shoot light from his navel, however it isnt actually light speed and instead scales to his regular combat speed. Similarly in Naruto characters can use light or lighting attacks while those attacks are only as fast as the characters themselves as opposed to actually light speed. So just because Nerobasta used light based attacks doesnt nessecarily equal light speed.
@@stevenz6658 Here is the closet thing to the official translation, as it matches the actual manga I own. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-288-page-14.html And while I do agree with you that something inherently using light makes it not light speed, in your case with Aoyama and in the case with Nerobasta, by other reputable characters (13 and Monspeet) the light being used is stated to be actual light particles, not an attack name or fallacy being stated by the character themself. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-187-page-8.html On top of that, multiple other characters use light beams and even Gowther's light arrows are actually confirmed to be light in databooks. imgur.com/4aGhiDM Then there are characters much weaker than Meliodas reacting to and avoiding these light beams midfire before then can even reach them. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-113-page-6.html manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-113-page-7.html manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-278-page-5.html A lot suggests faster than light combat speed in SDS.
En conclusión Meliodas Puede destruir un universo como lo hizo con el purgatorio Y que puede destruir a personajes como Goku con el Trillion dark o el Quita almas Y dando a entender de que Meliodas es poderoso que tal vez universal o que es posiblemente Ω
@@thatguywithapencil demon world is 4d since it has his own space time and 4d means universe automatically means demon king is 4d and Meliodas base bodt damages him makes meliodas meliodas base body universal+lvl and demon king said to Meliodas base body that i am on a whole ither dimension than me means low Multiversal and i am only increasing a tier not a dimension and meliodas dm was fighting toe to toe with him automatically means meliodas dm is low Multiversal and demon king mode meluodas is automatically low multiversal+
Okay, typically I would agree with you, but I can't because we have no statements to imply the size of the time space. If simply creating a separate dimension was 4D, then the lesser Archangels would be 4D. Every character ever to create a pocket dimension in fiction would be 4D, but we know that is not the case. The largest we can get for the Demon World and Celestial Realm is small solar system using what is given to us. To simply assume their universe sized with no statements to imply so, is too much of a leap and logic that doesn't have enough weight to support itself.
@@thatguywithapencil bro yeah you are right on many points but those pocket dimensions are way too much weak like in bleach gremmy created galaxy and ken cuts it in shikai wheras in bankai when he was uncontrolled he wasnt even able to effect soul society and demon world is universe since its 4d and those povlet dimensions dont has time dimension
How do you know it's 4D? Where was it stated to be a time-space? Unlike Purgatory, the Demon World isn't even specified to have a separate time flow. We cannot assume the creation of a 4D construct, it's too much of a leap with no evidence outside of it being a separate dimension, but dimensions all across fiction vary in size. That why we need size statements or calcs to prove sizes for dimensions.
Also wouldn't he be Planetary without the lore meta. He scales above the Dk and superme deity who worked together to seal chaos? (Ik sealing is a hax but in the verse hax can be negated by AP)
That's really my only issue with it. They couldn't defeat or destroy Chaos, they had to work together seal it, which is why I teeter back and forth on Planetary Meliodas in the regular meta. They would have destroyed it if they could, but they couldn't. Also, Meliodas is said to be stronger than both the DK and SD individually, but not both of them combined, and one could argue that Meliodas is still inferior to their combined power, and thus wouldn't scale to it. I'm personally fine with the idea of Planetary Meliodas regardless, since it's not really inconsistent.
@@thatguywithapencil How is this calc? Sarmiel created an ocean, creation > Destruction I’ll give options for ocean sizes Lowball: 18,750,000 km cubed (Arctic ocean) Midball: 264,000,000km cubed (Indian ocean) Highball:660,000,000km cubed(Pacific ocean) Lowball route: 18,750,000 km cubed = 1.87500000000000005e+22 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 1.87500000000000005e+22 x 2,575 = 4.828125e+25 joules = 11.5 Petatons = multi continental Midball route: 264,000,000km cubed = 2.64e+23 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 2.64e+23 x 2,575 = 6.798e+26 joules = 162.47 Petatons = multi continental Highball route: 660,000,000km cubed = 6.6e+23 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 6.6e+23 x 2,575 = 1.6995e+27 joules = 406.19 Petatons = multi continental
First, the calc is fine. I initially scaled it to the specific oceans we have too, because of it's name, but then when I went to argue that, someone hit me back with the name fallacy, which applies due to the fact that we have no stated comparisons of the Ocean Tarmiel created to the Taizai or real world Oceans outside it's name. By technicality, it is a body of water. So, to counteract that, just calc the water that we can get from what we have on panel and that's where I get country level from. However, there are still other calcs that do that, and get around continental. I always just go for country level for now, because I'm still gently trying to approach higher levels of power so people don't jump down my throat and call me insane. For that infinite speed argument, I just need to make sure that's not a mistranslation and I can get to arguing that one.
@@thatguywithapencil I also got hit with the name fallacy but I also found another scan of Tarmiel calling it an ocean ( a noun) wouldnt. Vsbattle even call it a literal ocean. The only was to scale an ocean is to use oceans in our world right?
People sometimes don’t understand the scope of his extreme power because it’s too big. I just wish the curse was the main relevance at the end of the DK fight
Yeah, he’s wild. I think the curse was sidelined because the bigger threat in the DK was right there.
King 👑 finally someone who knows how strong meliodas is.sub
Thanks!
He lowballed meliodas quite a bit tbh
Yeah you could get him to low outer and high outer
This was a fantastic video and explanation of meliodas and his abilities👍🏽
I thought vanish counter was left out but I caught it when I watched it again😊
Glad it was! I was hoping I got everything!
Me when he is talking about his power 👀👀🤨🤨🤨🤨
Thanks for the comment! Meliodas' power is crazy to think about, and I know I didn’t go too in depth on everything, mainly to not extend the video by half an hour, but what are the main things you find problems with? I’ll see if I can address them here.
That Guy With A Pencil which u mean I was confused this was a great video I’m just dumb
No man, you aren't dumb, and thanks for the support! Appreciate it!
The wait was worth it
Ay! I'm glad!
Is the speed video next?. Also keep up the good work
I'm going to do the power video first, and then the speed. Those will take the place of the two next respect videos, while I work on other respect videos. Was thinking of doing King or Escanor next, who would you want to see?
@@thatguywithapencil dosent really matter to me i just like the content
Can you do merlin next because she is one of the most hardest charcters to scale. Her power is all over the place
It truly was. I did do it though.
Another great and honest Video. So glad I found a channel that finally says the truth about seven deadly sins characters and their powers.
Hope those BC fans can see this soon 😑
My brain just give up mid way, it was too much to process
My bad.
I'd like to mention based on how he kill dk with prep time really meli could boundless increase the power of a attack if he keeps full countering it
I think not boundlessly, the attack would get a big too big to manage after awhile.
Bruh awesome video!
Thanks man! Glad you enjoyed!
Didn't meli move in a space where time didn't move making him infinite-immeasurable?
No. In Purgatory, it was just a different time flow from the regular world, and Demon King Meliodas popped out of the Cocoon before Merlin's spell took affect as she planned, so he never moves in stopped time, limiting his speed beneath inaccessible.
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Does Ki count as Magic (Dragon Ball) or the Spirit Bomb?
They are two similar, yet seemingly different systems, so I don't think so.
@@thatguywithapencil oh ok thx for the answer, so Meloidas isn't as op as using a Full Counter against Goku's Kamehameha... tho a Revenge Counter...
@@lancetheking7524 revenge counter pretty much counters everything
well full counter works against anything non physical
@@kvngchad8890 and revenge counter works against everything
Bro this video is fire. Why don't you make content like this anymore?
I think he’s just a pure reviewer now
It’s good to know my boy is overpowered
He stands at the top! Minus the reality warpers.
@@thatguywithapencil who decided that? Escanor is the one who stands at the pinnacle of all races☝️☀️
@999 forever he died still being the pinacle of all races
We need an Arthur scaling
We need more Arthur in general. Though he will be talked about later in another video.
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@@thatguywithapencil yea
Arthur is pretty difficult to scale as his powers basically do random shit whenever he’s feeling bothered, so both his upper and lower limit are almost impossible to pinpoint
"low balled star level (possibly solar sistem at its peak)" Damn i read the whole manga and shiii i didnt expect my boy to be that strong.
Well, now you know!
This is where it stops I don’t want to see more spoilers
Alright, hope you enjoy the rest of the series!
I’m sorry but meli beats naruto off of hax alone but whenever they’re put up against eachother all they give meli is full counter like he’s not a walking hack I’m glad I found this video explaining his full potential
I feel like naruto is the weakest series in terms of power from shonen
@@theallenbros0446 meh I’d say luffy. Luffy strong as fuk but not strong enough to beat end game naruto 👀
Watch this naruto clap meliodas ua-cam.com/video/53-Vz1LJtdU/v-deo.html
@@bisha5388 kingbullet is a Naruto wanker and Naruto tard
@@hollowknight9576 prove that king bullet is wanker
hes boundless because i like him simple
Well, I can't deny that logic, I'll go home now.
W same here bro
The DK created a dimension that had a different time and space, he’s able to manipulate both simultaneously. That’s a 4D feat, meliodas surpasses him, shouldn’t u have put meliodas 4D also. But if u don’t wanna put him that high even though it’s safely scaled. The SD has a star in her dimensions which powered mael to fight off demons. Creation>destruction meliodas is star minimum
1. He created a separate space when he made the Demon World. It's never stated or even implied to run on a different time than the Mortal Realm or any of the other ones. You may be conflating the Demon World with Purgatory, which is an entirely separate time space, and is specifically mentioned to be. There are ways to get Meliodas to 4D, but not that way.
2. I know. I mentioned that.
I agree
Meliodas is on low multiversal+
@@animemaster8003 how? just curious.
@@thatguywithapencil it was implied when merlins father went and he was a lot older
Purgatory manipulates time and space simultaneously, “The air is scorching hot and freezing cold at the same time” “1 minute in purgatory is 60 years here” there’s space and time manipulation. But there’s also the statement where it says purgatory is infinite in size. Meliodas surpasses the DK, ur scaling is extremely low for meliodas
The Demon King did not create Purgatory. He was sealed there. So all of Purgatory's statements do not apply to the Demon king and thusly Meliodas. The Demon World and Purgatory are two separate places, a lot of people conflate them by accident. This is even proven when Meliodas and Elizabeth are about to go to the Demon World and Meliodas asks Hawk to come with them, only for Hawk to say he's going to Purgatory instead. If they were the same, Hawk would have gone with them.
There is a way to get Meliodas and many characters to 4D. It's by using Drole and Gloxinia creating an entirely separate timeline with all the realms, including the regular mortal universe, all the other realms and Purgatory, and then the statements apply. I squint at that awkwardly though, and I consider it a high ball for the verse.
That Guy With A Pencil they’re used interchangeably throughout the anime, when monspeet transformed into indura they were stated to be purgatory beast. Demons shunned by their own race, the DK created the demons
The Demon World and Purgatory are two separate places. Why would the Demon King have any problem breaking out of his own realm? Why would the goddesses seal him there if it’s his homeland? Why would Hawk specifically differentiate between Purgatory and the Demon World? Why would Meliodas specifically explain to Ban that there are only two types of creatures in Purgatory and not mention demons? Why would the Demon King not just destroy Purgatory if he created it to break free? Why would multiple people state that no living creature can survive in Purgatory if the living creatures in Demons come from there? Why are Demons such as the Ten Commandments not drastically older if they come from such a warped place? Why would they be specifically noted as two separate places on multiple occasions if they weren’t? You have one piece of them being used interchangeably, and I’m pretty sure Galand says Indura roam the Demon World, not purgatory. I’m fine with you getting Meliodas to 4D, but there are ways to do that that do not contradict the series.
That Guy With A Pencil who created purgatory? If chaos was sealed and the DK is only rivaled by the SD, how was something made to hold him? It’s a extremely hard thing to understand since nobody is on par with those two, the only other answer is chaos made it, but that doesn’t seem likely.
I think Chaos is the only logical answer we have. Or that it just existed before everything. Or there is no answer. Seven Deadly Sins has lots of unanswered lore based questions. We still don’t even know who created the verse itself, since Chaos itself was “Born among the ancient stars” Whatever that means. We still don’t fully understand the entire backstory because we simply don’t have it. However, there is FKOTA coming up so we may get answers there. That’s all we can hope for.
Here’s the part that gets me interested, it’s implied Meliodas didn’t sacrifice his powers, more so “gave it up”, does this mean he can regain it?
its finally here!
I'm sorry it took so long!
Bro, we need a video on Tay's speed calcs ASAP
It's not really calcs, more so upscaling using what the series has shown us. I always use the Liz's Gift Sword panel for reacting to lightning, but technically Meliodas as early as chapter six with Dragon Handle is easily reacting to lightning. Though, I'll make an entire video explaining it anyway.
Who are you 😭
A human
Tay, can you leave a link for the Sacred Treasure calc? I'm good with everything else about your scaling and ideas, I just need that one thing.
@@thatguywithapencil I looked around for it and could not find it, I don't know if it was debunked or just got unposted
didnt meliodas give away all his power to destroy the commandments ? doesnt that make him weaker than the demon king then since the commandments are only half of the demon kings power.... and meliodas needed an eqaul power to that to destroy them....correct me if im wrong, also you should do a video on escanor....that man crazy
No he didn’t he kept them to free the curse but he still has the graces and not only that he gained double the power his true magic form is stronger than his self with only the 10 commandments that’s why I hate those videos where they do like naruto v meli and the only thing they give meli is full counter like he doesn’t have the power to kill you just for touching him...literally pacifism commandment
@@Snplei bruh ong😔😭 they be doing meliodas dirty
I did hit you with that Escanor vid, but no, Meliodas isn't weaker the Demon King. Even in a lesser state he was fighting the Prime Demon King, and Meliodas sacrificed his higher power to stay in Britannia. It's like a lot of lesser character could have destroyed the commandments.
@@Snplei Omg i forgot about that! Pacifism is busted. So he still has the commandment abilites?
What is the multiplier for the sacred treasures and the true magic form
Sacred Treasure is up in the air, and has multiple answers and the same can be said for the True Magic form. I’ll discuss my own views and what I’ve heard in future videos.
@@thatguywithapencil W
would you make a video natsu vs meliodas
I will, but I need to read and scale Fairy Tail before I do.
Great video bro What’s the sound track you use for the beginning of the video?
Thank you! In the first part its a pitched up version of Oscurita di Xehnaort from Kingdom Hearts: ua-cam.com/video/bpprqh9tuPM/v-deo.html
In the intro its Apex of World from Fire Emblem, also pitched up.
ua-cam.com/video/3eq-qUy-a-A/v-deo.html
@@thatguywithapencil thanks bro apex of the world is a real banger 🔥🔥
now that I'm watching this I'm realizing what I thought were feats of strength were just abilities like with Twigo, Meliodas was just using full counter and with Meliodas' fight with the 10 commandments, I thought Estarossa stopped his blade with pure strength but it was just his commandment activating.
Wait so how'd you come up with the light speed calculations? Just curious
The light speed calculations here are outdated, but he can still get to those speeds by upscaling from Oslo and Mini Diane, who have feats of reacting to and outmaneuvering light. It's a lot more complicated that that, but next week I'll be doing a speed video, so check back then.
Just wanted to clear a misconception, the light speed talked about here is meliodas reaction speed, of course his actual must be somewhere around lightning level lowballing
@@Lucifer-up8yj gotcha. I get into debates a lot with those vs posts on Facebook and people really don't understand how fast meliodas really is just because they either don't know or they don't understand how he stands up to other fast folk in the series
@@Korihiji-icefire yeah me too, I'm currently debating with a fairy tail fantard who says meliodas is bare building level and says natsu beats true magic meliodas in his base form, now what can I say to that kid I don't know😂😂😂
@@Lucifer-up8yj 🤣🤣🤣🤣 do what I did, send them a picture of the chasm where danafor used to stand and throw out power levels
This video is lit, thank god finally found someone who realize the true potential of meliodas, there's aguy who says that meliodas is barely building level🤣🤣
Ay, glad to provide! And wow, didn't know people thought that low. That's pretty concerning.
@@thatguywithapencil yeah and I showed him this video, and he was like totally ignoring me and we never talked after that, hmmm...i wonder what that means??🤔🤔🤔
@@Lucifer-up8yj it means he's mad or a troll
@@Lucifer-up8yj can you send me the link of the video
@@thorodinson5201 which video??
I cant find the culc can you link it to me
Give me a bit, I got you. I need to update all my videos with their respective calcs.
@@thatguywithapencil bet ima stay notify
Amazing video. Meliodas deserves more attenion
i know yall thinkin what im thinkin.......😈 what if meliodas gets some of the chaos power since he has no power after the curse is broken then gets some of the angel powers to go up against the chaos king and merlin in the chaos arc he would be a fuccing GOD he would molly wop everyone
Meliodas infused with the might of Chaos would be snapped in half.
Chaos power might be star level but I doubt true chaos is omnipotent
How fast do u think meliodas is when he uses 1000 divine cuts and will u ever make a video about the ten camandments power levels
I have no real idea how fast he would be, and while I do plan to do respect videos on all the commandments, power levels is a maybe.
you know meliodas prime is like estimated to be 350-360k but how does he lose to escanor when hes back to his full strength in his assault form when mael was stronger than escanor yet meliodas loses to escanor but can scare off mael easily
Meliodas was suppressed and not at his prime state against Escanor. He was growing back into it with time. So the Meliodas Mael fought is stronger than the Meliodas that fought Escanor.
Also it is possible that he underestimated escanor as zeldris states when he fights escanor
im lazy to watch what are the results
He's strong.
@@thatguywithapencil xD perfect
@That Guy With A Pencil My friends are telling me Meliodas has infinite speed, and at least uni+ to multiversal and 4D. What do you think? Also is it possible to make Meliodas 4D?
Well, I'd need to hear your friends arguments before just flat out saying no, but so far as I know personally there is no way to get Meliodas to universal, not to talk of multiversal or 4D. At the moment, no, 4D Meliodas is not a prospect.
They gave a scan of Meliodas presence being able to destroy a mortal plane. They also said that this video I watched is their evidence which I don’t see anything that points to their arguments.
@@Gaia2217T The mortal plane is consistently mistranslated, and typically translates out to world or Britannia. And since as far as I know, the mortal plane translation is only said once, so it would be an outlier. And that's okay. Unless they have evidence, I think their arguments don't apply.
@@Gaia2217T Mel in the manga is Multi-versal and has high inaccessible speed
Eos meliodas is thousands of times stronger than any commandment who were stated to be transcended beings
photos.app.goo.gl/wa8v8ddT88LnTPVh6
Transcended beings are 4d or low multi-versal
This is also not that much of an exaggeration as ban was being serious when saying that
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-172-page-6.html
As for high inaccessible speed, the 10 commandments are capable of residing in the coffin of eternal darkness which exists outside of the physical world
photos.app.goo.gl/6skJC5Sn5xEV3N4a7
That's absolutely bullshit. Never take that shit seriously. He's around large star level to solar system level max
Ik this is an old video, but does the multiplier meta/lore meta get confusing especially when you're applying the power levels that are shown in the manga (as well as supplementary information)?
Power levels in general are confusing. Even in the context of the narrative, they don't tend to match up with what the series shows us or what the characters say. They can be argued to work in weird ways though, so it depends.
Question who created purgatory is it the demon king or supreme deity or chaos
We actually don’t know just yet! It’s just a realm that implied to predate everything, kinda like the main universe.
Scaling for speed makes no sense. Unless it’s stated in the manga, you have no reason to believe that speed multiplies with power. Pure head canon
Thank you for your comment!
While I'm pretty confident Helbram, Merlin, and a couple other characters mention speed increasing with power, I do not have those chapters and statements off the top of my head. However, I can explain multiple situations where speed has multiplied with power to prove it's not head canon.
Meliodas and Ban, they're fighting evenly speed wise, Ban actually being faster. Meliodas activates Demon Mark, which doubles his power, he blitzes an amped Ban. If just power increased, not speed, Melidoas still wouldn't be able to hit Ban.
Meliodas goes Berserk, which drastically multiplies his power, and he blitzes Ban, who was once faster than him in base, but no longer because Meliodas increased his power. If speed did not get multiplied as well, Ban would have been able to dodge.
Helbram increased his power against Beserk Meliodas with help from Hendrickson, and then his speed increases and he blitzes Meliodas. If just power increased and no speed, meliodas would have been able to react.
Galand, shows up, blitzes everybody out of their mind, so badly that Merlin cannot even comprehend him moving. Meliodas, regains his old power, and proceeds to move too fast for Galand to react to. If power alone increased, Meliodas wouldn't be able to touch Galand with his new power since Galand would be too fast.
Then, he uses his Sacred Treasure, which is explicitly stated to increase a Sins abilities, and legitimately blitzes him so badly that Galand cannot even comprehend him. If just power increased and no speed, then Galand would have been able to react.
Escanor. Without his power, is slower and weaker than Galand. Escanor with his power. Blitzes Galand. If just power increased and no speed, Escanor would not be able to hit Galand.
Monspeet and Derieri are fighting Ludoshel. They're not able to touch him at all, he's too fast. Monspeet and Derieri go Indura, which increases their power drastically, and then they blitz Ludoshel. If just power increased, they would still not be able to touch Ludoshel.
King, Post-Training, is slower than Four Commandment Mael. King gets his Full Wings, powers up, he's blitzing Mael. If just power increased, Mael would be able to react.
Zeldris, fights on par with Margaret Body Ludoshel in regular Demon Mark. Increases his power. Moves so fast that Ludoshel cannot comprehend. If just power increased, then Ludoshel would be able to react.
Power and speed increase together. There is too much evidence to suggest otherwise. I didn't even use all the examples the series gives to show us this, but I gave you a good chunk of them.
Then, even without the examples, think about it. Do you mean to tell me that beginning fo series Jericho is just as fast as the Demon King? That Midnight Escanor is just as fast as Daytime Escanor? That BOS Base Meliodas is just as fast as Assault Mode Post-Ressurection Meliodas? No, come on now, you know that makes so sense.
We also know that the stronger the character is, the better they can react to things. Gilthunder who was stronger than Jericho managed to dodge Diane and save Jericho at the same time, while Jericho who was weaker than Gilthunder couldn't even react to Diane and needed to be saved.
I'll give you this, it would be one thing if the series never showed people getting blitzed or out-sped. If everyone operated on the same speed level and there was no blitzing or outpacing or characters being unable to keep up with another character, then I'd give it to you. It would be pure head canon to assume that a verse that works like that would raise power and speed in tandem. However, Seven Deadly Sins does not work like that. Speed is just as if not more important than power in the verse, as speed decides a lot of endings to battles and major ramifications in them.
I'll go hunt for those speed and power correlating statements for you, I'm happy to help. You do get what I mean though right? Or do you want more examples of speed and power multiplying in tandem? I can provide those too.
@@thatguywithapencil "While I'm pretty confident Helbram, Merlin, and a couple other characters mention speed increasing with power, I do not have those chapters and statements off the top of my head." do you mind finding those?
"Meliodas and Ban, they're fighting evenly speed wise, Ban actually being faster. Meliodas activates Demon Mark, which doubles his power, he blitzes an amped Ban. If just power increased, not speed, Melidoas still wouldn't be able to hit Ban." meliodas's speed increasing with his strength =/= MULTIPLIES with his strength. It adds on speed, sure, but that doesnt really mean it multiplies it. also meliodas, even before the demon mark while fighting ban, was stated to STRONGER, yet slower then ban. If speed was consistent with strength in the series, why wasnt meliodas faster then ban *before* demon mark? your logic btw
"Meliodas goes Berserk, which drastically multiplies his power, and he blitzes Ban, who was once faster than him in base, but no longer because Meliodas increased his power. If speed did not get multiplied as well, Ban would have been able to dodge." once again that doesnt mean it multiplies the speed, only increases. also even if it did, this implies speed multipliers is linear with every multiplier witch cant be verified to be true, and ends up giving us outlier results like meliodas being 2 billion times the speed of light despite never showing feats anywhere close to that, which is outright ridiculous.
"Helbram increased his power against Beserk Meliodas with help from Hendrickson, and then his speed increases and he blitzes Meliodas. If just power increased and no speed, meliodas would have been able to react." same argument from before, which doesnt work. it assumes speed is being multiplied and even if it WAS being multiplied, it assumes speed is multiplied is a linear fasion every multiplication. im just gonna skip the rest of these examples because they present the same argument.
"Galand, shows up, blitzes everybody out of their mind, so badly that Merlin cannot even comprehend him moving." btw no. base gaaland was already calculated to be in the quad MACHs based on the feat where he ran out of merlins influence faster then she could comprehend. no where near lightspeed
"Meliodas, regains his old power, and proceeds to move too fast for Galand to react to." this Is true, however, your forgetting that during the same arc, a derieri with a power level *3000 points lower* then meliodas was blitzing him with combo star. keep in mind meliodas with demon mark (holy knight saga) blitzed ban with his demon mark that wasnt even *2000* times larger. but meliodas was having trouble reacting to combo star? ok.
"Power and speed increase together. There is too much evidence to suggest otherwise." sure, but power increasing, once again =/= multiplying. also speed feats in the series like i just demonstrated is wildly inconsistent.
"Do you mean to tell me that beginning fo series Jericho is just as fast as the Demon King? That Midnight Escanor is just as fast as Daytime Escanor? That BOS Base Meliodas is just as fast as Assault Mode Post-Ressurection Meliodas? No, come on now, you know that makes so sense." of course they arent, but your missing the point. the problem with speed multipliers in 7ds is that 1) theres no proof strength multiplies with speed 2) you're using these multipliers as the holy grail of evidence, when in fact, they arent. there are no author statements, character statements, in story feats, and no logically sound reason to believe they are in the billions of times faster then light. does speed increase? obviously, but to imply it MULTIPLIES would be fallacious because youve provided no such proof. this is ignoring all the blatant inconsistencies around speed in the story. Arthur, having only a power level of 40,000, was able to keep up with beings in the 100,000 range. logically he shouldve been blitzed immediately, but he wasnt.
i do get what you mean though. but implying meliodas is anything above lightspeed is just humorous to me at best. edit: which
Thank you for your response!
I see your point, and I do understand it. My bad. When Merlin ststaed "Force" to be physical ability in chapter 106, I assumed that to be all physical attributes from physical power to physical speed. I understand what you mean about the multipliers, but that comes from simply interpreting what the series laid out for us through character statements and series statements. A lot of multipliers just come from Ban's Snatch, Helbram's Link, and the Demon King/Supreme Deity's splitting of their power, but I still see your point. Seems weird to me that speed and power wouldn't increase in tandem since durability and offensive capability increase in tandem, but I still understand your grievances.
The one thing I don't get is you wanting the series to display how much faster than light or anything they are. I think I have an idea of what you mean, you want something like light moving slow next to them or something? I see what you mean.
Power levels are rough estimates given to quantify a fighter in a certain moment. They are rarely accurate to a fighter's true potential in a fight and constantly fluctuate, which is why I don't personally put too much stock in them.
I actually see Meliodas, even regularly scaled with no multipliers or anything being faster than light though. Ark is described in narrative as light particles, and multiple characters weaker than end of series Meliodas are able to blitz these light beams. Three Commandment Mael is able to fight against and around Tarmiel's light beams, then Full Wings King is capable of outright blitzing Four Commandment Mael's light beams, and Full Power EOS Meliodas is at least as fast as Full Wings King.
@@thatguywithapencil@swerzye You were technically not wrong about the multiplier, as you see there are a lot of people who confuses between reaction speed and actual speed like @swerzye did,the reaction speed you talked about in your vid is totally plausible as he can react to attacks many times faster than light, its pretty obvious that as you get stronger your reflexes also increases, and so if meliodas power is multiplied so does his reaction speed. And as a matter of fact we know that as you gain reflexes your movement speed also increases to account for your reaction speed. So his actual speed should be anywhere around 1/2 the speed of light minimum.
Hope this helps
True Magic Mel is only equal to 50% DK though, it took up all of his power to destroy the commandments which are equal to 50% Demon King.
See, I would agree with that, but a base Meliodas was slapping up Zeldris plus the Ten Commandments. And then Demon Mark Meliodas slapped up a Demon King with Zeldris' body with the Ten Commandments plus an amp, and then a Prime Demon King he fought in Demon Mark for the most part, and by the time he went Assault Mode, an even stronger Britannic Demon King could not touch him. In True Magic, a form he never even bothered to use against the Demon King, a power that Meliodas, the Demon King, and Zeldris, all beings who should have a at least a general idea of the Demon King's full might (Meliodas fought and slapped him in base, the Demon King is the Demon King, and Zeldris was a vessel for the DK's prime self), all say Meliodas' true magic surpasses the Demon King. He got rid of his power to destroy the Demon King on multiple planes of existence, in both Purgatory and the Commandments in the Mortal Realm and to make sure he could stay in the Mortal Realm.
@@thatguywithapencil 1. Elizabeth was slapping up one of the zeldris demon king versions, that should be enough proof that he wasnt at 50% yet.
Even when he reached his third form the demon king was not at full power yet, he continued to gain power throughout the entire fight due to the lake until he began to fight escanor.
As shown when he went from getting solo'd by mel to soloing ban, mel, and king.
2. Brittanic demon king is THE WEAKEST version of the demon king.
He could not touch NO SIN. Doesnt mean gowther is the strongest.
Anyone who thinks a dirt vessel is stronger than 2 of the demon kings own children arent worth debating.
Merlin even said it's a pathetic vessel and none of the sins were scared.
3. The Demon king stated meliodas was weaker than him while knowing about True magic. And dont bother making the arguement "hes just cocky" because the demon king said a human equaled him.
4. Literally only zeldris has stated he was stronger than father, and the only way that could possibly be true is if zeldris is referring to the dirt demon king, who's literally the weakest version of the bunch.
5. Wrong, it was never shown and not even stated that the demon king in purgatory was affected.
We saw the commandments get destroyed, not the demon king. Dont know where the hell that came from.
His full power cancelled out half the demon kings. Simple math.
Demon king acknowledged a human to be his equal and his sons to be below him.
@@thatguywithapencil u never reply to my replies lol?
Sorry for the delay, I didn't see your response at first.
1. Yeah, but that regaining of power does not mean Zeldris' body was not fueled by the Ten Commandments. Him regaining is power is leading to all the over half of his power that was missing because of his real body being sealed in Purgatory, and then the extra power he lost with age. First form Demon King Zeldris is still Zeldris body + The Ten Commandments, just as Demon King Meliodas is Meliodas body + the Ten Commandments. And for the Elizabeth thing, that is just end of series power creep. Escanor with no Sacred treasure late noon is able to combat the Prime Demon King when before he couldn't even deal with Ominous Nebula Zeldris. Merlin who was convinced that once the Original Demon showed up that her team had lost all chance of winning, was not only confident against the Prime Demon King, but actually damaged him. Drole Dance Diane who was able to do nothing against Four Commandment Mael, managed temporarily overwhelm the prime Demon King. Elzabeth damaging him isn't an antifeat for the first stage of Demon King Zeldris, it's just a feat for her.
2. Actually, no. While Merlin does say that his body is rushed, and all the Sins seem confident, the Britannic Demon King manages to restrain the One Ultimate Escanor who was absolutely bodying him while in his prime, and required Merlin to activate Limit Breaker for yje Sins in order to break out of Death's Zero, and then he must be defeated by Fate of the Discordant Foe rather than them actually him individually, which is what they did against the Prime DK. Those feats alone put him above a lot of his weaker forms, such as DK Meliodas and first and Second Form DK. Prime DK is debatable, but even then, Britannic Demon King's feats are better, in spite of the statements.
3. When the Demon King said that he was superior to Meliodas, he was referring to the despaired Demon Mark Meliodas he was fighting at the time. Meliodas never used his full power against the Demon King, he never even used Assault Mode up until the very end because he was in turmoil about Zeldris and he didn't want to kill him, but save him.
4. The Demon King says Meliodas could rival him with his True Magic,
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-318-page-16.html
Griamore says they are on par, manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-311-page-5.html
and Zeldris, who has met with the Demon King in the past, literally was the Demon King for a while, and likely has a good scope of his power clearly states Meliodas surpasses him
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-332-page-12.html.
That three seperate statements that all say Meliodas is at least equal to the Demon King, and I'd say that the Demon King knows his own strength.
5. Well, no, I think you are just forgetting. Here's the page where Meliodas says his plan in chapter 332.
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-332-page-13.html
Then, the Demon King dies on all planes of reality, confirmed by Merlin in chapter 337. manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-337-page-17.html
That means Meliodas eradicted the entireity of the Demon King, with his full power. If they were equal, they would have neutralized, but no, Meliodas killed him.
Also, there's a freshly awoken True Magic Meliodas who is in base bodied the Demon King, erasing his entire arm.
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-285-page-10.html
Hope that explains why Meliodas is stronger than him. Sorry for the delay, once again.
@@thatguywithapencil
I definitely agree that the power-scaling of the series went completely whack after around the 280+ mark. We see Ban handling the Demon King well, King fodderizing 4C-Mael, Mael one-shotting the Original Demon, Escanor rivaling the Demon King, Diane at 50k injuring Indura (a threat that overwhelmed 3AA at once).
But as for the Elizabeth feat, it's not a case of PL's scaling stupidly because the Demon King she was fighting was still fairly weak, he still had to fully possess his vessel, evident by how he couldn't use ''The Ruler'' until he was in a form comparable to his original body in its prime. This is proven, by how base Meliodas pretty much evens this form of the Demon King, and there's no implication base Meliodas got stronger here, he's not even using his original magic, just the very base of his power in the form of kicks and punches.
This Demon King is basically just Zeldris with a very little amp, IMO, and Elizabeth in a human body isn't close to her original strength, although she should be relative to Zeldris level (after all, she did bruise Meliodas with a casual ark, and that Meliodas was FAR above Zeldris).
Demon King possessing Brittannia shouldn't be on the same level as possessing a real body, given how his sons should be better vessels than mere dirt, and to suggest the opposites is pretty silly. Plus, it was a ditch last resort for the Demon King, if it was a stronger form from the get go, why didn't he do it straight after being rejected from Meliodas?
There was no implication that he was stronger than his previous forms as well.
I personally agree with this. Demon King in his second form when possessing Zeldris made Meliodas go into his demon mark, and still seemed to struggle.
Meliodas being despaired just made him hold back, not get weaker.
Well yeah, Meliodas at full power is equal to the Demon King. Zeldris may have said Meliodas was stronger, but it was probably Meliodas just being a little bit stronger, nothing too much, and this was proven by how half of the Demon King's power (50% - the ten commandments with no possession) destroyed Meliodas God powers, as did his powers to them.
They destroyed each other, implying a level of equality.
Meliodas is not equal to the Demon King (100%) prior to the creation of the commandments. The story never suggests this, instead, Meliodas tells us he needs equal power to the Gods to break the curse, a feat done by them at 50% of their original strength. Even his father, at 50% of his power, suggests Meliodas equals that form of him, so there's nothing in the story to suggest Meliodas was beyond that.
The commandments are an extension of the Demon King, existing as HALF of his strength and will. They're an extension to him, not tied to his life force at all, destroying them shouldn't eradicate his body in purgatory, the other half to his original strength, that makes no sense. Destroying half of something, doesn't get rid of the entirety of it, put two and two together. In reality, destroying them should've mean't leaving the Demon King vibing in purgatory, permanently nerfed to 50% as half of his original power was destroyed, not kill him lol.
The only way this adds up is if Meliodas attack before leaving purgatory on his father, the wound that robbed him of his arm, was an attack that killed him. But that's silly, the Demon King has lived for billions of years in that body, created curses of immortal life and created powerful demonic beings, an injury like that shouldn't be life threatening, at worst case, he'd just lose the arm permanently.
Plus, if Meliodas is equal to the Demon King at 100%, then him destroying HALF of the Demon King (50%) shouldn't destroy all of his own powers as a God as well, at most it would mean half of his God powers would be gone, leaving him equal to a DK at 50%, still destroying the realm and unable to stay in it, but after destroying the commandments, he was able to live in it perfectly fine, proving he was equal to 50% of the DK, not 100%.
I mean this is the Demon King at 50% of his original strength, with ''The Ruler'' deactivated and basically off-guard with how he's sticking his arm down the drain like that.
Meliodas power was seen as ''hax'' in a way. Like Merlin, his abilities superseded any existence of a higher PL, as established above, Meliodas in God form is equal to DK (50%). So base form is far below this, but his original magic is just hax really.
If this video gets on tik tok it’s game over
I think this video is a bit too long for there.
Does tru magic form have the commandments powers
No, it doesn't, since that's Meliodas' own power, not the Demon King's.
What about the low outer meliodas scale
I have no idea.
There's a scale were merlin says chaos cath transcends life and death, and you have Qualification for low outer and Author was bending space and time
Can you tell me all of meliodas current abilities?
They're all listed in the video, but...
vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Meliodas#With_Lostvayne
That should have them all.
how fast is meliodas overall ?? am a bit confused
I don't have a specific number for you, but I can give you general area. Lowballing him, he's lightning speed. Mid balling him he's FTL, or FTL+. Wanking him and using Oslo he's MFTL
So do you think meliodas going to be able to get his power back or a power that surpasses his demon king one ? He also prob going to go indura form in sequel
I do not think so. I think there's a reason Nakaba so blatantly nerfed Meliodas right before the series ended. There's no real reason to restore that power or replace it, at least from a writing perspective. As for Indura, I can see that happening to job Meliodas to the next big villain, only to die. It's sad, but I don't think we'll be getting much of the Sins in the sequel.
That Guy With A Pencil just seems kind of weird to have meliodas,pretty much hold back the entire series and never use his own original magic power once. It just seems like an odd thing to do. Especially with his Demon king form. Seems like such a waste to not do anything with it. Like at all.
Oh trust me, I agree. I was seriously expecting the Supreme Deity to drop down once the Demon King was truly destroyed, all the Sins to be too fatigued to fight, and then Meliodas being forced to use his true power all at once to contend with a Supreme Deity who absorbed her Graces back and we would end the series at that. Then the Chaos Arc happened. I think the series ended strangely, and that Meliodas' true power was honestly a strange waste.
That Guy With A Pencil chaos part was definitely used as a bridge/link between series (sins and this new one coming) similar to how kaguya was the link to the boruto sequel
That Guy With A Pencil also wonder if Tristan can manifest chaos power naturally since he has both light and dark powers via his parents
Who is the strongest in the show and how should you scale them(planetary, universal etc)
its obviously the og chaos king because he literally created all the divine beings.....for the moment because we all know what's going to happen😈
I'd say Prime Chaos, and likely around Solar System or higher.
You know what, I'm going to go ahead and ask why do people think SDS is MFTL and Star lvl.
"The Goddess Realm had stars"
Creation =/= Destruction.
"Meliodas Existence Cause Calamities"
That's literally not his doing, The world is reacting to him, not him making the calamities, It's a reaction of his existence in the world.
"MFTL Meliodas"
This I need an explanation on, because to me, Multipliers are unreliable. It doesn't split thing evenly since SDS power lvl splits into 3 Categories being Spirit, Strength, and Magic. Meliodas using his curse mark also isn't always a 2X multiplier also according to Balors Magical Eye. The multipliers are too inconsistent for me so please try to explain without using some multiplier wank.
To be honest, I also don't see Meliodas (call him Mel for now) as star level. I don't like using such levels because it is prone to inconsistencies and are vague. There are big and small stars for example. I prefer to scale with actual feats and other obvious things which are not prone to falacies. No limit falacy for example. Though I will try to answer your questions.
"The Goddess Realm had stars"
I also agree with Creation =/= Destruction. I don't like to scale Mel this way. People do the same with Naruto. This kind of scaling is kinda weird to me. This doesn't mean Meliodas is weak. He is a freak in striking power and strength. His physical strikes ain't no joke. Considering he split a large hill with a power level of 3370 while his strength was actually 960! after getting his powers back, it grew to 50000 with demon mark (O.o). I know power level can be inconsistent. Still these power levels are official. current Mel is now much stronger. So, To be honest, he is fitted for the Tournament of Power lol. I see him surviving halfway. Certainly above Roshi in physical stats. people would say Roshi is above moon level so he wins. He is that level only because of his kameha. You think Mel is waiting for that charging attack? Nah.. power levels in dbz are weird too. AP is often higher than durability. Meliodas surely has the strength to hurt even Piccolo.
"The Goddess Realm had stars"
It is stated that the power was too great that he cannot stay in the mortal plane. It is verbatim stated in the manga so far I can recall. Maybe this wouldn't happen if Mel could control his True magic form power.
"MFTL Meliodas"
I DO think Mel is FTL+ in combat speed. It's simple, Mel has attacks that require to move at such speeds. For example, the moment Mel cut Galand in an instant. None of the 10 commandments saw it coming. Or when Mel punched Ban during the fight. Ban had holes in his body. This happened in an instant, no one saw it and thought Meliodas was done for. Meliodas can do 1000 slashes in an instant(you can find it on wiki, it's an offical ability). He does this by raising his conentration to his utmost limits. Now that current Meliodas is much stronger than the example I gave, it is only logical that he can pull off those attacks at even higher speeds. It doesn't surprise me he is FTL+/MFTL
Hope this helps!
That's fine.
For me
Meliodas is universal since the demon King created the demon realm and the demon realm has time and space and hawk stated that the demon realm is purgatory and Merlin said that purgatory is an endless , hellish realm , meaning that the demon King created a infinite 4d /universal structure and hawk said that meliodas is stronger than the demon King making meliodas 4d/universal
No, the Demon Realm and Purgatory are not the same place. Hawk states the exact opposite of that, stating that he wants to go to Purgatory and not the Demon Realm when Meliodas offers to take him there. And while Purgatory has statements for being a separate space time, the Demon Realm doesn’t, it’s just a separate space. The two realms have similar descriptions, but they are different locations. When Meliodas explains the creatures of Purgatory he never mentions Demons or Indura, it doesn’t make sense for the Demon King to not break out of a realm he created if he was sealed there, and Purgatory is mainly a realm of the dead while the Demon Realm has living creatures in it that can survive, unlike in Purgatory where you need an immortal or new body.
@@thatguywithapencil Ohhh but I have a lot of statement which say that the demon King is the supreme ruler of purgatory but IDK
What chapters are they in?
@@thatguywithapencil not entirely sure tho
@@thatguywithapencil question bro do you have discord
Could Meli nullify Cath"s immortality and regeneration with his hell blaze and hellfire?
I don't think so. Cath's immortality seems to transcend the traditional one, so I think he'd be fine.
Arent the celestial realms infinite in scale? Which means that they’re universal in size? If the sd created these with ease, and Meliodas is far above him, he’s universal+ at minimum no? That’s only if this is correct tho
I mean, you can argue the Celestial Realm contains "endless floating islands" with this scan manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-267-page-6.html
but no, I don't think its mentioned anywhere that the Celestial Realm is infinite.
Pls do full power naruto vs full power meliodas because I think he wins
I will soon!
@@bisha5388 problem with momoshiki being so strong is that naruto and sasuke had absolutely no buisness beating him. the fact that boruto kept up with momoshiki at all, physically, shows that the powerscaling wasnt even considered. Naruto and sasuke were both around half power, and its debatable that they could even beat momo or kinshiki by themselves. but combined? its just stupid that they could overpower them at all in my opinion. but..i guess its canon!
@@zaclovesschool2273 what are you talking about are you saying naruto and sasuke coudt have beaten mom by them self. And what do you mean by boruto keeping up with mom
@@bisha5388 I mean naruto and sasuke had no right beating momoshiki in a battle of power. Naruto is continental ap at best, and moon durability. Momoshiki has devoured hundreds of thousands of god trees and kinshiki alone could split planets, so when fused, they should have been unbeatable at that point. but the writers were so incompotent that they stretched naruto and sasuke to be able to beat him just so theyd have a cool badass moment. even kurama said that naruto had gotten rusty due to not training or fighting for so long. and boruto blitzed momoshiki and hit him with a rasengan. there was asolutely no way boruto should have even been able to SEE momoshiki moving, much less FIGHT him. just made no sense at all.
due to his feats against momoshiki, you could now say that boruto performed better than every other kage against momoshiki, and is now a high kage level fighter (bordering on six paths). which is ridiculous
How did Mel 16 years ago lose to Ban in arm wrestle though even though he's like 10x stronger than him lol
I have no idea. I'm assuming Meliodas was just being nice. He usually let's people who shouldn't be able to hit him, hit him, so I think he was just pacifying Ban.
@@thatguywithapencil Yeah Meliodas has this thing where he controls his PL to insane degrees for different things. He wants to have a friendly arm wrestle with Ban! It'd be pretty anticlimactic if he just shoved him into the earths core xD
@@thatguywithapencil They show it during the drill and gloxinia fight festival where even restored power meli got destroyed by ban in an arm wrestle and ban chopped it up to explosive force
@@aidans.1268 no
Could u make a video about how strong is goku
Sure, in the future!
I would disagree I think meliodas normaly is galaxy and lore multi galaxy while I do appreciate how much respect u give sds I just think this
Where did you get galaxy to multi-galaxy from?
Nani!!!!!!
The only problem I had was that base meliodas from the first episodes level a mountain with a stick n Thn Escanor did that on steroid
Yeah, the power creep is crazy!
Meliodas in assault can fight chaos equally
I disagree.
I personally think he's stronger than Naruto.
I think it depends on how you wanna scale both, but I respect your view.
he is lol
@@kvngchad8890 I think that to
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W speed scale but I strongly disagree for the AP scale. When DK created the demon realm, he did create space and time out of nothingness. So 7DS AP is FAR beyond solar system.
The only reason I disagree, is because we know the Demon Realm runs on the same time that all the other realms do. Only Purgatory is a separate time space. Meaning we can't assume its universal until we have proof.
@@thatguywithapencil But creating space time=Uni
Can asta beat meliodas ok ok hear me out and please don’t hate me lol so meliodas has magic ok ok asta has anti magic and His sword is a Demon slayer sword sooo maybe it would work and will also take away meliodas magic and asta is light speed so he could keep up with meliodas maybe
A.Meliodas claps asta
B.Asta claps meliodas
C.Asta steals meliodas and somehow uses his power
1.the author of sds in a qna stated that Mel barely uses magic. .
2.mel is 1 billion times ftl so yea.
@@sirwilliamofnir7435 lol meliodas is not that fast
He still claps
Meliodas claps asta easy
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Personally i think meli is low universal
I can see arguments for that, I just don't use them.
Please, explain
Yes
Yes!
Demon king meliodas vs naruto
Mel no effort
Soon!
This video is so wrong. It claims Meliodas is thousands of times light speed when he fought the 10 commandments. However Zeldoris when he fights Escanor and Merlin later on during the war is when he has his true power is way stronger than Meliodas is this point. And Zeldoris absolute fastest attack Dark Nebula which is probably the best speed feat in the series up until the Demon King enters, is stated light speed followed by "and that's not even an exaggeration" implying that being faster than light isna ridiculous feat that is hard to be believed. And that was so fast that Escanor, Merlin and the others didnt even known what was attacking them. So a much weaker and slower Meliodas cant be 6000x light speed. It just doesnt add up
Hi! While the speed in this video is outdated, that statement you’re referring to is a mistranslation. Remember, Goddess Clan members as weak as Nerobasta use light, so locking Zeldris at light speed makes no sense.
Also, this is my bad, but when I say speed in this video I’m referring to combat speed, not travel speed.
@@thatguywithapencil ok thanks. Do you have the actual translation, or do you know what the actual translation because I checked multiple places and although the wording varies they all said that Daek Nebula was impressive for being even faster than light.
@@thatguywithapencil plus sometimes in anime and manga characters can use light based attacks without actually light speed for example Aoyama in my hero academia can shoot light from his navel, however it isnt actually light speed and instead scales to his regular combat speed. Similarly in Naruto characters can use light or lighting attacks while those attacks are only as fast as the characters themselves as opposed to actually light speed. So just because Nerobasta used light based attacks doesnt nessecarily equal light speed.
@@stevenz6658 Here is the closet thing to the official translation, as it matches the actual manga I own.
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-288-page-14.html
And while I do agree with you that something inherently using light makes it not light speed, in your case with Aoyama and in the case with Nerobasta, by other reputable characters (13 and Monspeet) the light being used is stated to be actual light particles, not an attack name or fallacy being stated by the character themself.
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-187-page-8.html
On top of that, multiple other characters use light beams and even Gowther's light arrows are actually confirmed to be light in databooks.
imgur.com/4aGhiDM
Then there are characters much weaker than Meliodas reacting to and avoiding these light beams midfire before then can even reach them.
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-113-page-6.html
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-113-page-7.html
manga4life.com/read-online/Nanatsu-No-Taizai-chapter-278-page-5.html
A lot suggests faster than light combat speed in SDS.
En conclusión Meliodas
Puede destruir un universo como lo hizo con el purgatorio
Y que puede destruir a personajes como Goku con el Trillion dark o el Quita almas
Y dando a entender de que Meliodas es poderoso que tal vez universal o que es posiblemente Ω
No diría universal, principalmente porque no destruyó el Purgatorio ni ningún reino de tamaño universal. Nadie ha hecho eso todavía.
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Pero lo harán obviamente aunque también tal vez sea Omega osea por solo ser de un universo britania así casi igual como el griego
cool
Thank you! Support is appreciated!
I love meliodas
Same here! He’s a great character!
Yeah
Zeldris vs meliodas
In the future, I got you!
meliodas obliterates naruto people say naruto wins
We shall see.
Meliodas is low multiversal+
I heavily disagree, where do you get that from?
@@thatguywithapencil demon world is 4d since it has his own space time and 4d means universe automatically means demon king is 4d and Meliodas base bodt damages him makes meliodas meliodas base body universal+lvl and demon king said to Meliodas base body that i am on a whole ither dimension than me means low Multiversal and i am only increasing a tier not a dimension and meliodas dm was fighting toe to toe with him automatically means meliodas dm is low Multiversal and demon king mode meluodas is automatically low multiversal+
Okay, typically I would agree with you, but I can't because we have no statements to imply the size of the time space. If simply creating a separate dimension was 4D, then the lesser Archangels would be 4D. Every character ever to create a pocket dimension in fiction would be 4D, but we know that is not the case. The largest we can get for the Demon World and Celestial Realm is small solar system using what is given to us. To simply assume their universe sized with no statements to imply so, is too much of a leap and logic that doesn't have enough weight to support itself.
@@thatguywithapencil bro yeah you are right on many points but those pocket dimensions are way too much weak like in bleach gremmy created galaxy and ken cuts it in shikai wheras in bankai when he was uncontrolled he wasnt even able to effect soul society and demon world is universe since its 4d and those povlet dimensions dont has time dimension
How do you know it's 4D? Where was it stated to be a time-space? Unlike Purgatory, the Demon World isn't even specified to have a separate time flow. We cannot assume the creation of a 4D construct, it's too much of a leap with no evidence outside of it being a separate dimension, but dimensions all across fiction vary in size. That why we need size statements or calcs to prove sizes for dimensions.
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Nice work!
Also wouldn't he be Planetary without the lore meta. He scales above the Dk and superme deity who worked together to seal chaos? (Ik sealing is a hax but in the verse hax can be negated by AP)
That's really my only issue with it. They couldn't defeat or destroy Chaos, they had to work together seal it, which is why I teeter back and forth on Planetary Meliodas in the regular meta. They would have destroyed it if they could, but they couldn't. Also, Meliodas is said to be stronger than both the DK and SD individually, but not both of them combined, and one could argue that Meliodas is still inferior to their combined power, and thus wouldn't scale to it. I'm personally fine with the idea of Planetary Meliodas regardless, since it's not really inconsistent.
@@thatguywithapencil
How is this calc?
Sarmiel created an ocean, creation > Destruction I’ll give options for ocean sizes Lowball: 18,750,000 km cubed (Arctic ocean) Midball: 264,000,000km cubed (Indian ocean) Highball:660,000,000km cubed(Pacific ocean) Lowball route: 18,750,000 km cubed = 1.87500000000000005e+22 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 1.87500000000000005e+22 x 2,575 = 4.828125e+25 joules = 11.5 Petatons = multi continental Midball route: 264,000,000km cubed = 2.64e+23 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 2.64e+23 x 2,575 = 6.798e+26 joules = 162.47 Petatons = multi continental Highball route: 660,000,000km cubed = 6.6e+23 cm cubed We multiply our values by 2,575 since vaporisation is the bare minimum method to destroy water 6.6e+23 x 2,575 = 1.6995e+27 joules = 406.19 Petatons = multi continental
@@thatguywithapencil
nd this
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First, the calc is fine. I initially scaled it to the specific oceans we have too, because of it's name, but then when I went to argue that, someone hit me back with the name fallacy, which applies due to the fact that we have no stated comparisons of the Ocean Tarmiel created to the Taizai or real world Oceans outside it's name. By technicality, it is a body of water. So, to counteract that, just calc the water that we can get from what we have on panel and that's where I get country level from. However, there are still other calcs that do that, and get around continental. I always just go for country level for now, because I'm still gently trying to approach higher levels of power so people don't jump down my throat and call me insane.
For that infinite speed argument, I just need to make sure that's not a mistranslation and I can get to arguing that one.
@@thatguywithapencil
I also got hit with the name fallacy but I also found another scan of Tarmiel calling it an ocean ( a noun) wouldnt. Vsbattle even call it a literal ocean. The only was to scale an ocean is to use oceans in our world right?