How To Make A Knife Without Heat Treating | The Easiest Knife To Make For a Beginner
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- How To Make A Knife Without Heat Treating Using Your Home Oven.
This is probably the easiest knife to make for a beginner!
How to make a knife with your home oven as the only tool for heat treating. I make this knife using mostly an a angle grinder. I do use some other basic tools for finishing. But none of these tools are knife specific tools and can be found in most garages.
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Hi, Im Alex, im a knife maker and UA-camr, based out of southern Pennsylvania and my youtube channel is Outdoors55. This channel started as an outdoor backpacking channel, but quickly grew into a knife/ knife making channel. Everything I do on my channel is family friendly. I primarily focus on knife / knife making videos but occasionally throw in something different. Thank you for watching!😀
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Can cold hammered steel bee good of a cutting tool?
I was doing the same thing with a file, not removing the heat treat and dropped it an the concrete floor. It broke in three pieces.
Thank you very much for this video, however a 400 Degree home oven oven simply doesn't exist... And then I realised you were speaking German rather than Swiss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ADB-zf5zr weßß
I love your video's, this is a touchstone for my knife making. I have been making some throwing file knives, but 2 of them have broken into 2 or 3 pieces after a few weeks of use. How would you suggest bringing the durability/toughness up so they don't break? I don't have the tools to do more than an oven temper.... it hurts so much when they break, they take soo much work and I have spinal arthritis so I can't just "make more", each one takes weeks of work :/
I've tried to find answers on Google but it's a nightmare of info.... please help ♡
I probably have watched hundreds of videos of knife making and by far yours is the best, reason being is the explanation behind the steps.
Appreciated.
Aamir Saif that’s a nice comment. I read some awful things and it’s like. Did you really have to put that
100% Agree
its definitively not knifemaking and definitively not a knife lol. at this point his grind is not even convex, it s a balloon ^^ its a tuto to learn how to grind a piece of steel to barely looks like a knife lol
@@karlgustav5490 can you please post a photo/video of yours?
Karl Gustav the knife he made was sharper than most kitchen knives that are being sold out there. If what he made wasn’t a knife then I don’t know what is.
I was watching knife making or other such tool making videos for over a year now but nobody talk about the colour and temperature change which is by far the most important element in tool making.. hat's off for you.
To be fair, those videos are not how-to-videos, explaining the process is not implied.
Every black smithing book addresses the colors and temps, and annealing
Blacksmith ancient knowledge; blue is soft, white will crack, straw will dent but you can fix it. It is a rough estimate, if you make plough blades for agticulture or other tools for the house. Wood chisels need to be white or grey. If it is blue it can be coldforged,not the best but you can do something with it with enough force. No termometers back then,just eyeball Mk 1 and exterior light; bulbs give wrong picture
Edge tempered rest of blade softer Damascus steel video's cat litter to burn carbon out when hammering also glass is added to steel sometimes the temperature sparks of oxygen burning when hammering temp stops sparking give more heat before hammer
I will probably never make a knife, but listening to you was really enjoyable. You have a teaching talent. TKS a million
I like people who genuinely appreciate !! Good man. +1
You should make one, it’s a lot of fun.
Assuming you have more than just a file as a tool...
I like you
Awesome, 👏👏👏
Never say never.
"Probably never" is the right idea.
Better… anyway.
I support it. 😁
Give it a try… it's lots of fun & your interest has landed you here.
Well… until you learn that the knife you've been working on for a week won't harden because of the type of steel you've used and you realize that you have a nice knife prop.
Might as well put a spring in it so that it retracts when you stab something… the good that this knife is for?
Live & learn.
… but it still looks neat!
Now.... what sucker will buy this?
😆 joking.
Ps…. Choose the right steel.
Or make a knife prop.
Much respect on the fact that you're letting us know what the color changes mean. I'm starting to get into this after teaching myself how to use a welder. I've got a lot of ideas for blades and I'm glad people out there know what they're talking about. I've got plenty of old school files and one at 18 in long. That's going to be a nice one
That denim cut was so impressive and satisfying, very nice, definitely gonna be picking up a few power tools and files on payday haha
Don't waste a new file go to the markets or garage sale and get old used ones
Thanks for including the overheating tips.
Thank you for the detailed description on the variation of color. Definitely one of the best explinations yet. Thx for the tips, tricks for sharing this vid.👍
Really great video - THANK YOU - THANK YOU. You answered about a dozen questions I have had about knife making. You really explain things clearly. MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!
I couldn't sharpen a knife for shit for the past like 2+ years and your channel gave me the knowledge and inspiration to get after it and actually get proficient.
As a knife head who is ironically completely bereft of the skills associated with the hobby: I appreciate your channel. I appreciate the knowledge you pass along. The stuff is priceless man. Thanks for posting these.
Your my new favorite channel sir!!! Thanks much for everything you do!!! Blessings 😇🇺🇸
I have been wanting to make knives for years and your simplified, informative videos have inspired me. I think I can do this now. Thank you!
BRILLIANT! I was concerned about the heat treating, but this makes things a bit less complicated. Thanks!
This video is such a great piece of knowledge for beginner knife makers. I made my file knife not too long ago and I had no idea how to temper it or heat treat it, I didn’t even know if I was SUPPOSED to do that. But now I know I can just use my oven. Thank you thank you thank you for this video! Very thoroughly explained and super easy to understand.
I wanted to make my own knife for ages and this video is what made me decide to give it a go. Thanks for the advice and the time you put in to your videos 👍
Did you end up making one?
Excellent instruction! I am sure I speak for many people here, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. Thanks again.
Just made my first knife outta old metal file thanks to this. Real nice little skinning knife with an oak and birch burl handle. Thanks, great teacher easy to follow 👍🏼
I was curious when you started because a lot of people "temper" knives in the oven and end up with straw colored spines and purple blades, which is the backwards of your desired endpoint. Doing it your way is spot on. Great work.
This was very educational I learned a great deal. Thank you.
That was the how to make a knife with basic tools video I have been looking for. Thank you! Slicing through that denim like that was extremely impressive!
Ive only watched a few of your videos. My knives have NEVER been this sharp before!
Due to your know how, I know how to better now! WoW!
Thank you Mr Outdoor55!
One of your BEST videos yet and I have seen a LOT of them. The red arrows showing colors and temperatures is going to end up all over the web, get a watermark on the whole section so you get credit for it.
My stuff gets stolen all the time watermarks and all haha. It is what it is. Thank you for watching my friend 😀👍
I noticed too!!
OUTDOORS55 hi! Please could you give me some details to your small oven? i have Never Seen befor such a small one.
Thx
Oliver from Germany
@@oliverg.2970 its called a toaster oven.
Awsome videos just wanna thank you for the inspiration. Running around at work now looking for old files 😁👍 keep up the good work
Absolutely beautiful craftsmanship from just a simple file, truly AMAZING! 👏
Your video enabled me to really understand the (simple) knife making process. Thank you.
You have come a long way in a relatively short time. Your knives are getting very nice looking. They also perform very well. Thanks for the time you take to explain the steps. I can't wait to try knife making. Just waiting for the weather to get better. Thanks again!
Great video! I was surprised when I saw 10 mins. Most of these knife videos are 30 minutes to an hour long. Goes to show, if you just get to the point right away every time, you can show someone a perfect instructional video in a fraction of the time. Well done.
This is such a helpful video, have started my own file knife 3 days ago and its coming on really well, thanks.
I dont have the space or time to do all the heating and annealing in my garage/woodshop, so I am extremely thankful I found this video. Definitely gonna try it soon!!
Great video! I love the angles,audio and pretty much the whole production, this is one of your best videos!
Thanks my friend 😀
This is how I started making knives but taking a piece of Steel and grinding it in shaping a knife from that. Good video.
I wish i had, I started from blacksmithing them in my home made coal forge, this seems so much easier than blacksmithing
I have a high respect for you the way you demonstrate teach and you are a great tutor to me. Everything you say is crystal clear. Thank-you.
Thanks dude, helped me greatly, needed a new wood carving knife,on a budget with no forge
This is more or less how I made my first knife. 15 years later, I can say that heat treatment is really not a big deal, and very worth learning early on. The idea of it is the biggest obstacle - all you need are bricks, a wood fire and a blow drier. Annealing cuts grinding time by 50-70% and allows you to fine tune the geometry with hand files. And you can then harden it again.
Matthew Marting Man, this comment sends me to to hardware store. Thanx for your input. It backs up the video and answered a question I had while watching.
Fair enough but I think it is good to show it can be done well, while avoiding the hardening process and annealing with what most people have at hand without expenditure. Much appreciated.
Michael Scott is exactly correct. It's as easy as heating the file with a torch until its red hot... Bingo. Get the job done so much faster and save money on grinding wheels and sandpaper. And the claim that no heat treating involved is fraudulent. He still heat treats the knife in an oven lol. Buy a torch and make a small furnace if you want to make knifes. Torch will help you get a better quality temper also.
Quick question, why not tempering at first? Wouldnt it be easier to shape? Gonna start making one tomorrow.
I Truly enjoy your videos!!!
Alex, I'm a pepper, patriot,and share survival skills to help others. I love this knife. I appreciate you showing us how to make this with our common tools and home oven. I'm sharing your knowledge with my patriot group. Thanks. Luna Liberty.
I’ve learned more from this one vid than the scores of others I’ve watched over the years. Thankyou.
dude since we’re in quarintine i’ve been in the garage for hours and my great grandfather had a bunch of old dull files and i’m gonna try this and maybe fail a few times
Just a quick note - don't use all of them. If you live in the US for example, a simple propane forge is cheap as hell if you're interested in knife making, and files are pretty much perfect fot making knives. Don't waste perfectly good files on bad knives. I say bad knives because the knife here is pretty bad - no offense. That's what you get when you are afraid of overheating a massive chunk of steel. A proper knife should have a flat edge rather than convex, as it is equally robust, and cuts vastly better.
Horváth Benedek convex will hold and edge longer
@@Reed591 Yeah, but what edge? A blunt axe still holds its edge. A fine edge is more durable, but cuts better. The point of a knife is to cut really really well. If it doesn't, you should get a machete or an axe instead.
Horváth Benedek in my opinion a convex edge, that can shave, is capable of just about everything i would need it for, and i won’t be honing the knife as often. person preference is all this is.
@@Reed591 It's not about shaving. It's about fine work. Try slicing bread precidely with a convex edge.
In fact flat edged are easier to sharpen too. You don't have to look out for a gradual patters, just go with the direction of the knife.
There are plaves where convex is better, for sure. I just don't think you'll get a lot of use out of its durability due to the small size of the knife. If it was a 20 inch blade, I'd go convex all day long. 15, maybe.
EDIT: Also, I don't understand this obsession with having an all around knife that can baton and everything. If you got a proper small knife + a medium sized machete, you'd end up with around 800 g of weight. This knife, just by looking at it, weighs around 500 g, and can't cut down trees, you can't make food with it, etc...
I mean, you can, if you're really determined.
Yeah!! The very best knife making video I have seen to date. And I've seen a BUNCH! My favourite because I live in an apartment and forges are a big no-no. I am definitely going to take a stab at this one. See what I did there? Lol!!
You don't have a balcony? backyard? garage box? fire exstinguisher for peace of mind.
Great video Alec. Straight forward and to the task at hand. I like that you explain what you’re doing in layman’s terms. Thanks
Been a welder/fabricator for about 5 years and I think knife making might be a new hobby for me! Love your videos man!
You've got good taste in equipment! I have the exact same bench grinder, belt sander and disc grinder, weird.
You can't file a file with a file and not ruin both of your files...😂😂Brilliant...filed this statement away in my files for future use
That's some pure wizardry. Awesome.
Thank you very much from an amateur....just starting out and this is superb info! Hats off to you for sharing.
the rolled up jeans test was brilliant, I haven't seen that one yet
Nice work, thanks for sharing!
Any reason for tempering after shaping instead of before?
Great job!
Thanks for the tips.
Congrats!!
This just popped up on my suggestion page. Which is why I'm just now seeing it in 2022 and not when it was published in 2018. Anyway........
I don't what ya say!! That file with a file on a file thing was hilarious! I'm thinking I'll subscribe now. Everyone needs a good laugh once in awhile. Learning something in the process is even better! Thank You Sir! I needed that.
Grinder has been sharpening my lawn mower blades for years
I use my heavy duty 4300 Dremel. It works great.
Dremels are the best, the control you get with em are amazing
Hey man, I just found your channel at the end of last week. You inspired me to make a file knife over the weekend with just my angle grinder, I also made a kydex sheath for it, all thank to your videos. It's my new favorite knife, I love it. I love your channel, instantly subbed, and can't stop watching your videos. You are a hoot. Keep on posting and I'll keep on watching.
It is tempting to try this.
Thanks for this OUTSTANDING video!
☺
You can't really file a file with a file without ruining both of your files. Made my day, lol!
Dude, thank you for this video. It totally gives me the motivation to dip my toe into making a knife. Cheers.
Wow. That’s awesome. I’ve been wanting to make a knife but didn’t know how to do the whole quenching part. This was really self explanatory. Thanks for the video. I am gonna attempt making a knife now.
great video. good, easy to follow instructions. thank you for taking the time to share.
Thats my project on this pandemic lockdown sorted. Ive run out of walls to paint . Good vid 👍
I had an angle grinder it shit it's self a day ago I think my local hardware store are still open tho
Me too!
Maybe mention that most files and rasps are case hardened, the core steel (or the part you expose and make the edge from) is soft.
If you have quality files for metalworking they're very good... Hoofrasps are not superbad maybee case hardened it makes good bushcraft bowie types, just aneal it to 250 °C to make it more sturdy. But keep your fingers away from these cheap Chinese stuff and other crap from the one dollar store. If you are not sure if it is case hardened cut off some piece of it and see if it sparkes different from the core
Rad build dude, thanks for always outting so much effort into these for the rest of us to watch!
Great job, i can't wait to try to make one, looks like it might be my new hobby, thanks for posting.
wow great job mate looks good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks my friend 👍😀
I enjoyed the denimstration.
A very detailed video. I loved it! Thanks for the info, I will have to do this!
Very useful tutorial. I used this method to make a small neck knife and works great.
Another Masterpiece. Have you thought about making a Primitive style knife, also keep up the great work ;)
I've been filling my file with a filed file for quite a while
Excellent presentation. You really know your subject matter and make it interesting. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
nice to see that outdoors55 is staying safe from covid by wearing a face mask even in 2018
Thank you for your video!
Fantastic!
Temper it to 400ºC or 400ºF?
400f Thanks my friend!
One of the best file to knife tutorials
I've been looking around for a good video explaining knife making with a file and your video is by far the best that I have found.
Ooooh.... build an entire knife from start to finish with a $17 Harbor Freight Chicago Angle Grinder!!!
Already did that😉 kinda
You can even buy the file there too,and the discs...
Paul Stuart no you can’t.
PC Principal ... I did...
I did but with a better grinder. Same thing as he did but only used a grinder.
I've seen several of these "make a knife from a file" videos lately, and the question occurred to me: why don't you temper it BEFORE you grind out the shape? Wouldn't it grind out more easily once you reduce the hardness?
Doesn't the gold look nice?
Very nice video. Love the info about the temperature and other details you never hear in other videos about knife making.
Thanks for all the info. Most informative knife making video ive seen so far.
Technically, tempering is a type heat treatment. Any time you apply heat either from the making process or tempering, you are changing the crystal structure of the steel.
Same thing as bevelling and profiling in that manner, bevelling IS profiling, except after being used for different steps people just count them as being separate.
@@Reploidx9 No, not really. The step he refers to as "tempering" is the initial quench that hardens the blade. Tempering is the next heat treatment step. Not the same thing.
Ya know, the handle part doesn't need to stay cool.... If you wrap the blade part in a wet rag or keep it submerged in water you can heat the handle(small propane torch is best), in fact, it is better to do that, so you can drill holes for scales... Though to anneal it, you have to let it slowly cool after going past critical(sand, vermiculite or ash is the best option).... Hope this helps, take it easy.
Dave Erving Evader Knives I was going to ask if this was possible but now I don't have to. Thanks for the info.
Would it also be beneficial. To smooth out the handle portion so any scales you add would cling better?
It depends on what you are using to attach the handles... IMHO, just using epoxy is a waste of time, because they won't last. You have to at least use pins... If you watch any of my videos, you'll see i mostly use pivots and screws with removable scales... The important part with that is there are no gaps... Making sure both surfaces are flat...
Dave Erving Evader Knives Thanks I'll check out some of your videos
I was going to say the same. You don't want to have a hardened handle.
You can use full carbide drills to make holes in hardened steel. Be carefull with these expensive tools. They break very easy.
I’m a beginner and making one of these is SOOO easy. Thanks for the video.
The best part is how easy it is to get old high carbon files. People at flea markets or junkyards practically GIVE them away.
I love the way you kept the Nicholson logo at the bottom of the handle 👍
I wonder what Rockwell hardness that knife would be with the two tempering Cycles at 400 degrees?
Around 58
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Thank you!
Great video, BUT , it's one more reason for the wife to give you "The Brow"
What a practical recycling of material!
This video like a piece of gold, because of the knowledge that you gave it to me. Thanks so much
Everyones gonna be like
FINALLY
Also please make a battle axe from a circular saw PLEASE
Just curious. Why didn't you temper it before starting to cut it? You could then have used a file on it, no?
That is a good question. It would have bring the hardness down and make the whole process easier.
This tempering don't do the metal softer but tougher, flexible. To soften a file you must heat, then leave for hours in ash or something to lose the heat slowly, but after the process you must heat again and submerge in oil and then do the temper in the oven. He is saving lots of time, tools and skills needed, just using the file temper from factory.
Yes you can do that I've done it many times. Not sure why he didn't do that. I guess that's just not the way he wanted to do it. I like to soften up leaf springs before I work with them.
I think the point of this video was how to make a knife with out that process. Im new to knife makig and the whole toughening process is actually what scares me the most haha so atleast this video shows me a way to make knives.
dfalconerio The tempering he does in the video IS the process. If he had done it first, he could've easily done the whole knife with another file. It would've been good to show that, because not everyone who want's to make knives, have all the power tools he used.
Great information. I learned a lot on heat treating.
I’m sure you will love your knife after it’s done, I know I like it right now, well done thank you for all the info in your video. Never tried making a knife before but I’m going to try it now thanks to you.
Cool! But does it work with old circular saws?
Circular saw blades will have a lower hardness than files
Depends on what you want from your knife... Also, the original hardness of the saw blade....
Yada no
blackwater blades
Haha, I like that, right to the point... I've never actually even looked into making a knife with anything but High carbon, tool, or stainless steel, but after looking into it, most are mild steel with carbide tips, though some are 1075, so I would say it varies. Honestly though, a piece of 1084 is less than $20, why bother, when you can get something good??? Take it easy...
Looks pretty cool, i have bought a file last month and spended a lot of time for thinking about the right temp! Awesome guy 🤙 i try. Greets from Germany
Good video. This would be a good project to do since everyone has to stay home because of the CCP virus
Great vid I have an old file in the shed and thought about making a knife out of it. With your instructions now I don't have an excuse not too.
I love how clear and attainable this is. Time to buy an angle grinder!
we have a lot of files but we dont have a knife.
Wow. Who would of thought that eminem was so good at knife making?
This guy has class. Eminem doesn't.
slim shady!!!
Yes but can he rap?
@@christosswc no
@@christosswc yeah, no way in hell.
Mate, this is probably one of the simplest knife with one of the best sharpened I have ever seen. Excelent.
Outdoors55, lot of good info about knife making from file and without bother of forging. Info on steel colours was great
*_You could file the file if it was TUGNSTEN CARBIDE_*
Thanks for the video for alternative to heat treatment made a lot of sense cheers
Great video. Just getting into knife making, and this is a great first step video to making a useable knife. Thanks!!!