Hybrid Pepper Projects Update - F2s, F3s, F4s, and a Brand New F1
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2021
- I'm really happy with how the hybrid pepper projects are going. By growing 365 days a year, I should probably be able to get a full two generations out of each project. I'm excited to see what the next generation will look like. I'll be saving a few seeds very soon.
Before you go, let us know which peppers you like best out of these.
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I love your channel, Sir! I enjoyed seeing your crosses. I have a couple in the F2 and another in the F1. Very excited for the journey. Happy Growing
Thanks Nik! Glad you enjoy the channel. Very cool that you have some crosses in the works. Good luck with those! I understand your excitement.
Nice updates on the indoor peppers. Very interesting choices. Have a great weekend.
Thanks a bunch! Good to hear from you! Hope you and your family are doing well. You have a great weekend too!
Loving watching the progress on the crosses.
Thanks Lonnie! These projects have been a lot of fun for me too.
I really like the TRI color leaves . Almost looks like a pothos and a pepper had a baby.
Yes, it is kind of like that.
I really enjoy that you show the generations, the dark purple is so interesting! Do you think that you could make a chart/family tree of what has happened so far?
Purple tomatoes for purple salsa?
I've showed all of these along the way, but I haven't put it all together in one video yet. I will probably do that at some point, but I can't really say when.
I've only grown one purple tomato....Indigo Rose. I didn't care for it as much as some other tomatoes though.
I've really enjoyed your videos for a long time. I've recently moved to the Midwest and I've had some interesting challenges with my peppers. Every time I try to hybridize my plants the flowers fall
Glad you enjoy the videos. I've had better luck indoors than outdoors. I also noticed that some plants just don't accept pollination like others.
Amazing color on the PF Hybrid at 4:39
Thanks! I'm thinking about going back and growing some more F2s, because there have been so many cool peppers that came out of that group.
Love the mostly white leaf generation at the start of the video, as well as the long dark peppers, but all were great! I’m just getting into crossing peppers and have had fun so far
I kind of like them all too :) Those variegated ones with all the white in the leaves are hard not to like. One of those smaller peppers with the really dark leaves ended up having really light creamy orange peppers once they ripened. Sure hope I can stabilize a few lines and keep them close what I have now. Feel free to share your projects with us as they go.
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@@MidwestGardenerdo you now overwinter the plants you like to keep safe and propagate by cuttings meanwhile you experiment with the seeds in case you like it much?
@@xaviercruz4763 I don't overwinter plants anymore. I used to, but it seemed like I always created an aphid problem.
Amazing work and beautiful peppers. You should post this to the hotpeppers and pepperbreeding subreddits.
Thank you very much! I didn't even know those groups existed....thanks!
I love variegated peppers. The variegation is a simple recessive trait so it is pretty easy to work with allowing you to focus on other traits a bit more.
Yep, they are some of the most attractive peppers to look at. Thanks for the info on the trait being a simple recessive trait. I suspected that because of the trait popping up in unvariegated ones when I saved seeds. Now I have variegated and nonvariegated versions in several projects.
@@MidwestGardener Your nonvariegated plants may still be harboring variegated genes even several generations later. It is always a good idea to do a test cross of your variegated lines to your nonvariegated lines to see if you get variegated. If you do, then you know that the non-variegated line is not homozygous for normal leaves yet.
@@ericknight69 Yep, I used to breed reptiles years ago. The basics of genetics work the same whether you are breeding snakes or peppers. I used to actually do punnett squares for 3 or 4 phenotypes by hand, lol. I had an upright version pop up in my Black Pearl project peppers, so I had that trait floating around still.
@@MidwestGardener If it is fun then its fun and for me it has always been fun to tinker as well. My children had fun in biology class when it came time to go over punnett squares as well because I always made learning about plants hands on with them. They were all grafting and hybridizing with supervision before they could safely handle a knife. I'd make the cuts and they would bind or pollinate. Keep sharing my friend. I love your videos.
@@ericknight69 Sounds like your kids were way ahead of their peers. A friend's pet mice got me interested in genetics even before I knew Mendel and his peas, or Punnett squares even existed. I checked out a few of your videos. I'm impressed with how many cool projects you have going at once. Let me know if you sell seeds anywhere and I'll take a look at what you have. Probably too late for this year, but maybe next.
WOW, most of the trees look so beautiful and ornamental. I think the last one is my favourite. Will keep an eye on this project. Enjoy the weekend, mate. Cheers 🙏
Thanks for sharing which one was your favorite. I'm really looking forward to seeing how some of these turn out in a few more generations. Have a great weekend!
Please leave me a legacy when you go because you’re crazy good, thank God!
Thank you! I appreciate that!
@@MidwestGardener sure man! When can I purchase some of those in seeds from you to have them or what comes similar to them?
@@xaviercruz4763 Matt's Peppers sells some of my seeds. He will be open again in the fall.
I love your videos sir.. ive finally got my black pearl going with flowers.. 1st cross pollination with a golden cayenne done. Got a few more ideas floating in my noggin. The black pearl is a beautiful plant ...i can only imagine what future cross generations will look like
Thank you! That's a very nice choice! I can picture the contrast in my mind. Good luck!
I think they all look good Mr. Jim. Mighty fine looking peppers Sir! Have a great safe weekend.
Thanks CB! It give me something to do till spring. You and Rene have a great weekend too!
very cool!
Thanks!
I’ve been a subscriber for a few years and I so enjoy your garden tours and when you share your experiments and updates. You’re very inspirational!
Thank you very much for the kind words, Beth! I'm glad you enjoy the videos. And thanks for staying with me on my channel for several years. I really appreciate it!
Wow beautiful plants love it! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! So nice of you to say.
Still like the purple cayenne pepper although the ones with variegated leaves with the green peppers with purple splotching looks very original like nothing I have seen. Nice work.
Thanks Justin!! I'll be harvesting my first ripe peppers from some of these very soon, so I'm hoping the seeds for the next generation of a couple of projects will be in soil by the end of the year.
I just started some peppers yesterday!!!❤
Good luck with them! I hope they aren't the type that get really big :) It's a long time till spring. I'll probably start the peppers that will go out in the garden around the 1st of February or so.
Chili pepper hybrids are so much fun to follow through the generations...
Those are some beautiful specimens you got there!
Thanks a bunch! I agree....I think I'm getting hooked on the whole process. Just planted some of the next generation of some of these.
Absolutely beautiful pepper plants!!!!! I believe my favorites are the dark purple varieties. Are they hot peppers? Either way they are amazing and producing peppers at 6" tall is amazing too.
My biggest pepper project was getting a free scotch bonnet pepper seed that produce a plant. As soon as I saw the pepper I realized what it was. I've started a second generation of them. We don't eat them but a coworker of my husbands is absolutely thrilled when I give them to him. Take care and have fun with your project. Keep us updated please.
Thanks Shirley! I haven't tasted any of these....yet. Pretty cool that you have a second generation of your scotch bonnet peppers. Those are pretty spicy for sure. Since I shot the clips for this video, I've had some of the peppers start to ripen and change colors. There will be a few updates in the future.
You've put a good amount of work into these hybrids and they are all beautiful. Love the variegation on a couple of these plants. The first plant you showed with the cream peppers and purple streaking is my favorite. I also really like the purple flash hybrid project and I hope that the variegated Oda hybrid produces interesting results.
Thanks Rose! Yes, it does require a little work, but I'm having fun with the results, so that makes it worth it. It will be fun to see what type of peppers that variegated Oda hybrid has on it.
Lots of cool and unique stuff being worked on over there. Keep that furnace lit. Still alot of cold season left but so far you seem to have plenty to keep you busy. Thanks for the share!
Yep, plenty to keep me busy for sure. I have a couple of F5 seedlings coming up now, and will be saving some seeds for another generations of some of these very soon. Having a blast here. Hope you guys are too!
Interesting pepper project you got going there boy I’ve not got much done as I had planned I’ve got to get my seeds ordered I’ve not forgot about that cuko borough cackle I’m getting that for sure done got my sister waiting on that one was going to get some micro greens going just to weak right now be very interesting to see how your peppers turn out
Well, don't push yourself too hard. I've told myself that I was going to start cutting back for the last several years, but I always plant more than I need to. I've ordered a few seeds for next year, but not nearly as many as I usually do. I'm looking forward to seeing how the next generation turns out for some of these project.
These are beautiful peppers. I can only imagine the work involved to breed your own peppers. Very interesting. I especially love the purple variegated ones. But all the variegated ones are so pretty. The first one with the upright peppers was also very nice looking.
Thanks for sharing the ones you like the best, Sheree! I didn't actually breed these. The bees did that for me. When I grow peppers from seeds I saved, sometimes I realize that I have a hybrid instead of the pepper I thought I was going to get. If it ends up being something that I think is interesting, I save seeds from it. Then I select my favorites from the ones that grow in each generation after that. It's turned out to be a whole lot of fun for me.
Trying some ornamental Ninfadora crosses next season as the peppers taste pretty good for an ornamental, perhaps with Vampire or its smaller sibling Nosferatu for a touch of black leaf. Hybrid F1, none stable seeds seem to be going for big money at the moment with obviously unpredictable result's.
Interesting....that sounds like an interesting cross. The variety that the F2 generation produces though, can give you tons of directions to go. The bees have been keeping me busy with some interesting crosses. One of these days, I'm going to give crossing them myself a try.
@@MidwestGardener indeed. Pimenta de Nayde, Reaper & Jay's Pink can give a wide variety of shapes, sizes & colours.
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I am especially intrigued by the Black Pearl hybrid with cayenne-shaped pods. A pepper with the leaves of a black pearl and useful pods too would be quite something.
I'm keeping some of my germination tests from hybrids with the hope of squeezing an extra generation in, but I'm not sure yet whether my indoor setup is good enough. I probably can't take them all the way to viable pods indoors but I can get them close and likely get ripe pods by June, we'l see.
The germination of my F3 and F4 Tabanero seeds is quite good, much better than their predecessors. But I have 3 different variants with quite different heat levels and appearance, ranging from yellow to red when ripe and perhaps 100K to 300K scovilles; but all are tasty. I have a couple of other hybrids and mutants going too, which I'll bring along for the ride, though those are all pure C. Annuum of some sort. Inter-species hybrids are a lot weirder due to the level of genetic diversity...
I've never seen anything quite like those Black Pearl hybrids with the cayenne-shaped pods, so I hope I can stabilize that look. I'm hoping to keep the heat on the milder side, but we will see how it goes. Sounds like you have some interesting variations going on. I just wish I had room enough to carry forward more variations, but I'm going to be pretty crowded once I start seeds for the outside plants in a couple of months.
I understand space limitations. I have acres of woods but only two good small areas with enough sun to be productive. I'm completely rearranging one of my gardens over the winter to increase space where the sun is. But I also intend to transition from trying 50+ varieties a year to focusing on ones I like, plus my hybrids and other surprises. So far my productivity is limited to peppers, tomatoes, tomatillos, and green beans.
I've had one drastic shape change occur something like yours -- one of my Jamaican Yellow plants that I grew from a saved seed had long red pods like a giant cayenne (those normally look like a flying saucer). My guess is that there are several genes affecting shape and size but just two for aspect ratio. As it is common in wild peppers, spherical is probably one of the shapes produced via dominant traits. So the original could have had a recessive gene for longer pods, and when you went to the next generation you got two of the "long pod" genes. If so, 100% of its descendants should also have longish pods barring further crossing. Also, I've seen Black Pearl listed as an F1 hybrid, so it could have had one parent with long pods at the beginning.
@@davidniemi6553 Interesting stuff! You have to love those unexpected surprises. That's part of the fun of it for me.
Did you ever consider using small hydro set ups like Khan Starr uses to create new varieties? It does speed things up but for some reason I think you'd prefer soil. I may lead towards hydro next season but not sure. Organic is always better. More work though in my opinion.
I really haven't given it any serious thought. At the current rate, I'm thinking I could grow a little over 2 generations per year of most of these projects. There are a couple though that would mature at a slower rate than that. Since I shot the clips for this, about a half dozen peppers have ripe peppers on them. Just planted some f5s too.
Not sure why my post was deleted this morning but it is gone. Guess I didn't ask the proper question.
I'm not sure how or why that happened, but I doubt if it had anything to do with your question. I've had my own comments and the comments of others get deleted a few time, and I still haven't figured out how or why it happens. If you want to aske your question again, I'll answer it if I can.
I've started doing germination tests on my hybrids and mystery peppers. If you do them too, I'm curious how far you take them -- just germination, first true leaves, or the whole way to producing another generation? I'm inclined to do a mix of these depending on how interesting the variety is and whether I want to try to get two generations into one calendar year. As for results, I'm seeing very high success rates on all my recent tests -- from 2/3 to 100% . My only failures from my own saved seeds were some of the second generation Tabaneros, not a big surprise as Frutescens x Chinense is not supposed to be an easy cross (later generations are much more reliable). I think I'm also using better techniques than I did 2-3 years ago.
I sometimes do a small germination test of older seed just to see how viable it is, but I only test for germination and not any further than that.
How do you stabilize these strains?
I usually save seeds from the one pepper I like best in each generation. After 5 generations or so, they start to stabilize. Some crosses might take 9 or 10 generations to stabilize. Others seem to come together a little quicker.
Still have seeds available?
No seeds available yet.
Are they genetically modified ones?
As far as I know, none of them are. The bees did the crosses for me.
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If you seen my previous comment I think I found it
I hope to show what the f5s look like in this Saturday's video. They are looking pretty good so far.
@@MidwestGardener awesome man I'll be sure to check it out!