The Rise And Fall Of D12 (FATAL) Stunted Growth Music
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- In the early 2000s this hip hop collective were off to a great start. Their debut as well as sophomore albums both went double platinum, gaining notoriety for their brash Horror core esque lyrics, Self deprecating expressions, in too deep addiction to drugs and slight comedic approach to the phrase I don’t give a f*ck. Eminem gets most the credit for being the face, while many truly don’t even know the name of his band and how talented they were as lyricist, serving as the vehicle that gave Eminem credit in the streets and in a hip hop culture in those days where seeming tough as an artist greatly helped your image. Without Eminem D12 wouldn’t be who they were of course, as he was just the right guy to help them better express their split personalities, and different enough to grab attention at first glance. Not to mention he’s one of the greatest hip hop artist of all time skill wise and on the charts he stands alone. But the same could be said about Eminem and what having D12 did for sharpening his skills, and being around a group of guys that made him acceptable and not seem contrived, and unbacked as a guest in hip hop as Lord Jamar would say. They had more than a spark when they started, but after multiple deaths within the group, too much time off and a new day and time, D12 is over. The Rise And Fall Of D12 (FATAL) Stunted Growth Music
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R.I.P Bugz & Proof. D12 really had a wave. Were they too reliant on Eminem?
I would rather say they're in his shadow.
Yes indeed. Same thing like Roc a fella!
Yo I've been requesting this one for years.
Neither one if them would've been successful solo wise. So yeah. Eminem was there stimulus package.
They both needed each other so...it is what it is. I enjoyed both their careers and definitely agree Encore was the last album from Em for me worth a damn but won't take away from who he is in the game.
Losing Proof hurt the most. He was the glue that kept D12 together
I just realized I share the same birthday as Proof.
Agreed Bro 💯. 🎤
Still bump D12 World in the year of 2022 and beyond
@@willforeverpubg4235 what about devils night
Between Devils Night & D12 World, I can say No BS D12 made me want to rap. My style was more influenced by other rappers but just the initial feeling of wanting to be a rapper, for me, came from being a D12 fan.
I here that. They inspired me alot too when I was younger, especially being from Detroit. Just some average guys from my hometown made me believe I could!
@@kevincruise3521 💯 the hometown heroes are always real inspiration fr. Crazy thing for me is, I’m from Compton. And with all the greats that came from my city, rap was just something I listened to until D12, then I wanted to pursue being one🙌🏼
The Dirty Dozen: 6 in body, 12 in spirit.
RIP Proof.
My take on their stunted growth:
1. Paul Rosenberg not letting them put out their mixtape to build buzz for Devils night and get the public familiar with them.
2. Devils Night and D12 not having a distinct sound that let the listener know THIS is their lane. (I.E. early Wu-Tang and Mobb Deep had a distinct, grimey, Boom-Bap sound that was made for them.) As much as I love Devil’s Night, the production honestly sounds like MMLP throwaway beats or Eminem Show test beats
3. Bizarre… (do I really need to explain?)
4. Lack of public exposure. (From what I’ve seen, The only time D12 was brought up in the public eye back then was if they were doing an album promo run or Eminem was making an appearance somewhere. Hence why that god awful “My Band” song was made)
5. Emergence of Royce Da 5’9” (for a hot minute) and 50 Cent
6. Marshall not getting them Solo deals on the Shady Records Label (just like how 50 Cent signed Young Buck, Lloyd Banks, and Tony Yayo as the G-Unit group as well as individual artists)
7. Lack of collaboration with artists outside of Eminem (Like em said on Stepping Stone, “I think of all of the trips to BET / And the rappers I wish that we woulda politicked with / Maybe y'all coulda clicked and got you some features”)
9. Proof’s Passing / Marshall’s Hiatus & near-fatal overdosing
10. Marshall not (really) collaborating with them after the passing of Proof. The last time Marshall collaborated with the group was on their 2011 project "Return of the Dozen Vol. 2" on the song "Fame" {ua-cam.com/video/AugZKe3bX_U/v-deo.html} then the song "Bane" {ua-cam.com/video/bPlrrz8gd_Q/v-deo.html} off the 2014 compilaton album, SHADY XV.
And D12 don’t have no beef with Em after all that 🤔! All I know is Denaun Porter only around Eminem and Royce Da 5’9
Bizarre is the best member of D-12
@professionalpookie yeah now that proof died you're probably right
D12 really was over when PROOF died and it was also the beginning of the end for Em's career as well. Em is not at the end but after losing Proof it seemed like he didn't have the same energy for rap. Proof to me outside looking in his best friend and according to interviews and and different accounts was the one who pushed him to rap in the first place.
I also think that Royce Da 5'9" and to an larger extent the rise of 50 Cent derailed the group as well. 50 required a lot of Em's attention.
No, he did. He just had to learn to rap again...cause he was getting off of drugs after that. But he Definitely Still has the same energy and passion for it...as you can see in his recent songs in the last few years.
Proof motivated Eminem to make rap a top priority in life.
In 2007 Eminem was featured on T.I.’s song Touchdown. Eminem was a live guest appearance on Busta Rhymes’s song Touch It(Remix)
Do Kool G Rap next he’s so underrated and no one talks about him much these days
Also, KRS One end of the 90s, BDK after 94, Rakim before his debut album, Slick Rick during the 90s prior to his fourth album.
Kool g rap is so interesting he’s one of nas biggest inspirations
The God MC
D12 express their feelings about the Rap industry and all the controversy and hardship that comes with the Rap game
Back at it with a quality classic. Salute
They were definitely too reliant on Eminem. But I don't think that was all their fault. They definitely used his fame to get their foot in the door, but I'd put the majority of the blame on the fans. They wanted everyone in the group to be like Eminem. Most of them never heard of D12 before Em. They only knew them as "Eminem's group". They didn't know D12's history. And at that time, Eminem had such a huge rise to fame that it would have been difficult for any unknown artists in a group with him to stand out on their own. And some of them just weren't strong enough to be stand out artists on their own.
That's what happens with mainstream fan base and putting on a bunch of guys from your past with no ambition besides a big payday.
Proof was the only one that actually took rap seriously.
Don't feel bad for D12, that mutual co-dependency ran it's course.
Just fucked up that it took 2 white boy mainstreamers like Em & kid rock for Detroit to get any attention. An Michigan rappers still get no love from the simps.
Awesome Dre
Detroit most wanted
Mc Breed
Dayton Family
Esham
Nata's
House if Crazises
ICP
Shit that's just off top of my head..nevermind with time to think it over.
@@eol6632 It's not that they had "no ambition", but more that they didn't really bring anything to the table that made them stand out as solo artists. They all still release music though, and Denaun (Kon Artis / Mr. Porter) had landed production placements on a lot of major projects. And Michigan / Detroit might not have as many artists as NY or Cali, but they definitely have more than most states. I'm not a fan of the rappers you named (besides MC Breed), but there's also Danny Brown, Guilty Simpson, Slum Village / J-Dilla, Illa J, Black Milk, Boldy James, Wajeed, Obie Trice, Trick Trick, Royce 5'9", Phat Kat, Marv One, Elzhi, Big Sean...plus all the ones you named. Detroit has a lot of artists who are very well known in their respective lanes. So I'm really not sure what you're talking about saying "Michigan rappers still get no love". Cause they definitely do.
@@eol6632 we get it.....
Exactly
I was waiting for another Stunted Growth since almost a week. But you came on point with this one.
D Twizzy will always be one of ny favorite groups. I bought Devilz Night in 01, 10 years old. Its still one of the best rap albums ever. Proof and Em has always been my favs and Bizarre. But i love all of them no homophilia.
Devils Night and D12 World were classics 👌🏿
Yes Sir!!…. 🎤
I don't know about the second album ....
had chance to listen to Devil's night it is fire..But D12 World will always be apart of my music playlist.
@@beefkimchi8223 the second one is classic as well....
@@beefkimchi8223 I thought “How Come” was a dope song and “The Good Die Young”!
Eminem is the only stand out MC of the group and plus D12 didn't have their own identity artistically. They took the comedic route just like Em but it didn't work as well for them as it did for Em. Those are the two biggest growth stunts of D12.
Agreed. Most of them just weren't strong enough as artists to stand out on their own. Especially back then, when the fans just wanted them to be like another Eminem.
Eminem wasn’t even a member of D12 he became a member when Bugz got killed
@@garcel1251 Ok but Eminem is still the only stand out MC of the group
_You looking for living proof_
_I’d rather see Proof living_
-Sha Stimuli, “Am I Different’
You totally ignored the existence of Bizzare only named him once he pretty much was 3rd in terms of face in the group behind Em and Proof..
Idk if he was confusing Fuzz with Bizarre but it just seems like dude making the video Googled d12 and never actually was a fan of any of their music lol smh
I don't know who this dude is but this video is trash. Em didn't take his hiatus from rap in 05 he skipped over the fact that Me dropped The Eminem Show and Curtian Call all.before Proof was killed. He also doesn't mention Mr. Porter became a big producer. And Bizarre has dropped several albums and even fromed the group Last American Rock Stars with King Gordy. Swifty got big in the underground scene doing a lot of feature work.
Yeah this is the kinda of video you get from Google Bandits.
This is a fact
Bizarre also sucked
Saw a rant by Nelly abt the St Lunatics and him beefing. There is a lot that play into these groups staying together and I’m sure there are egos and different beefs in D12 too as all of them were good in their own right.
Brooooo
You gotta do Smilez & Southstar!🙏🏾
Do Buckshot Please!!!!!!
D-12 still my fav crew!! Swift, Kuniva and Biz still rapping their ass off just not in the public eye as much.
Eminem and d12 raised me idc what no hood rapper say bout em being white he was like a big brother to me I bought both d12 cds from Sam goody as a teen and multiple Eminem albums forever shady ✊🏾🙏🏾 dirty dozen forever 🔥🔥🔥🎧✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Damn your life must suck
Em is still a guest in hiphop but yes I understand how you’d say this nostalgia is a hell of a drug
@@mrlofi333 Nostalgia definitely plays a big influence of people's memory.
@@mrlofi333 😐
Dope. Can you do a video on Das Efx and Lords of the Underground?
Em and the outsidaz was dope too
R.I.P Proof he was the glue for the group cause of Proof Em and ICP squashed their beef with each other I will forever respect him
D12 was the blueprint for Odd Future. Without Em there’s no Tyler *sigh* this group brought a whimsical flair that the game misses…I haven’t watched it yet..
I love Em so I’m guessing it’s:
Proof Dying
Eminem blowing up
The rest of the group tweaking out.
Let’s see if I’m right lol
These episodes are the realest
I think you're giving D12 WAY too much credit as a group. Now, as individuals, they were dope lyricists in a freestyle cypher, but as artists and as a group, they were mediocre, and never demonstrated why anyone should care about them outside of them being Eminem's homies. Their first album, Devil's Night was solid, but I attribute that solely due to Eminem's presence on the album. I kopped the album way back in the year 2001, and I've always felt that without Eminem, D12 as a group wouldn't matter - and I was right.
Honestly, these guys never had an identity as a group outside of being Emimem's homeboys. They've never made tracks on their own as solo artists, that lyrically impressed me and made me take notice of them. I don't think these guys would've ever been known outside of their local hood without Eminem's success backing them up. They're kind of like Eminem's version of GUnit - talented, but without any real appeal without their standout superstar buddy holding them afloat.
Wow finally someone gets it. D12 was just a way to pay back some guys from his past. Em wasn't that into it. Back in the day those cats where overprotective of Em cause they wanted to get paid.
Em needed them to be viewed as legit locally.
An Proof especially kept that kid safe in the old days, he didn't want anyone fuckin with his lottery ticket.
Mutual co-dependency......
@@eol6632 I don't know about all that, but you made me chuckle.🤣
@@eol6632 what?
On god
G unit had stars. This group had a star and 5 of his friends
Denaun porter is an underrated producer. He has a lengthy catalog
Love this Chanel. Only right you do Royce next
You need to do the 69 boyz next !!!
Well said & documented. I will add the Royce da 59 beef as well.
U should do shady records as a whole
only Em and Proof actually had exciting verses to me.
I need a Stunted Growth of Skippa da Flippa.. His bars n flow was crazy plus he was early QC..
If it hasn't been done yet here's a few ideas; do an episode with Da Bush Babees, Knoc-Turn'al, Nine Double M, Kool Moe Dee, K-Solo and Das EFX. No one really talks about those guys. They were greatly underrated and dope.
Please do a stunted growth on:
Wale
Pill
Cash Out
Fred Da Godson
Dorrough
Wale definitely next he was my favorite
I keep hearing about a rapper name Pill…whatever happened to dude??
We need one on slum village
The saddest thing is, if D12 was more active(not to blame Em) Proof may have not been involved in his unfortunate situation.
Devils Night is a fukkin classic
Yeah Devil's Night is a classic....the one from 1993. Not this bullshit.
U didnt do ur homework on the group. It's d 12 cause each of them have another personality. That's why
I think you meant *Fight Music* and not *Fight Night*
Please do the Super Friends of Timbaland, Magoo, Missy, Aaliyah, Ginuwine, Playa, etc.
They called themselves The Super Friends??? The SupaFriendz was the name of Mad Skillz' group with Danja Mowf and Lonnie B. They were also from VA., and worked with Timbaland, Magoo, and Missy.
Eminem Presents: The Re-Up 2006
R.I.P. Proof. Do Chyna White
Bizarre And Proof should of found success as solo artists they like Em have there personality for it and Mr Porter deserved more praise as a producer.
Everything that needed to be said has been said by Em, Biz, now you and many of these comments.
Sad truths but necessary to understand the facts! 😢 🎤
5:29 that's Hush on the photo with them. Em produced 2 tracks on his album Bulletproof. a dope album, btw
D12 released some dope mixtapes & Eminem even featured on the opening track, go back & check that out & this was AFTER Eminem returned to hip-hop again.
Do one on gangsta boo solo career
The issue is that they weren't able to craft an identity outside of being "like Eminem" outside of Bizzare who was known as the "even more fucked up Eminem".
With G-Unit for example Lloyd Banks, Young Buck and Tony Yayo each had their own big songs and personalities (flows, songs and cadences). They didn't just rap like 50.
Both Proof and Kuniva have/had very impressive solo albums (Searching For Jerry Garcia and The History Of Violence series) where their subject matter/style was more unique and therefore interesting.
Kuniva was the most unlucky career wise imo since he suffered the most from the lack of identity. If you listen to any song/freestyle from D12 World up until their 2015 mixtape he was consistently showing top tier lyricism and the most humorous lines in the tracks. Straight up carrying them (with Swift still providing some good verses) from 09-15.
But a group of unknown local artists being placed on tracks with the biggest rapper in the game means two things. Firstly they will get a massive boost in exposure/sales. On the other hand they couldn't grow much of a non Eminem fan base so once they stopped making songs together 95% of his fans stopped listening to D12 (and would downplay their abilities to prop up how Eminem could never be challenged on the mic).
There name comes from there originally being 6 members with 6 alias Eminem wasn’t a original member he became one when Bugz got killed
Yeah, I agree.
Personally Ion think these guys as individuals had the potential to blow up. Maybe Proof but he seemed happy how it was. Maybe Denaun cuz of his melodies. Everyone else jus don’t got it.
Denaun is a producer. He’s had a really good career as a producer
Few wishlist artists...
Cassidy
Papoose
JR Writer
Oh I see you already did papoose. Going there next!
I love your channel bra. But everything isn't stunted growth. Most groups don't last. Rather someone breaks out as the star. Or times change. But two platinum albums aren't stunted growth as a group. They lost friends, and talent. So much respect D12
IDK idf youve done Mf Doom yet or the ST Lunatics but those would be dope
Can you do a video on Slum Village and J Dilla?
Got you
I don’t think it’s a case of them being too reliant on Eminem I just think after Proof died Eminem was in a different headspace for a while and I don’t know if he’s even heard what the other members have done in the last 15 years. Swifty and Kuniva Have upped their game a lot. Just like Eminem has and I think if Eminem would actually listen to how much they have grown as MC since then he might actually want to do something with them. I watch that interview with Sway that he did and he was acting like he can’t do the 12 anymore because he’s not the guy he was in 2006, and yeah I hear what he’s saying but I don’t think it’s ever dawned on Eminem that those guys aren’t who they were in 2006 anymore. I really do think if Eminem and Mr. Porter spent a day in the studio with the other three surviving members that at least the idea would come to Eminem that these guys are still dope and why not just do one last record for proof. D12 was everything to prove he was the leader of the group and I think if nothing else just as a tribute to him it would be really cool to see the surviving five members come back in The studio together to do one last album.
I mean if Eminem is a member of the group then yes you can see they relied on him because it’s kind of like the Joe Budden thing with slaughterhouse. How are they supposed to do a slaughterhouse album if Joe Budden just refused to get back in the studio. If Eminem just refuses to get back in the studio with them then I don’t think it’s really fair to say they’re too reliant on him because he is part of the group I mean what are they supposed to do?
I don't think current Ems style would mesh well with Kuniva and especially Swifty tho.
Whilst they can use some faster flows/technical rapping Kuniva's best work comes from storytelling tracks with funny wordplay throughout (his verses on Revelation and The Good Die Young are good examples from his D12 days). Swifty didn't really grow as much stylistically in my opinion.
Yo i wanna know what stunted Chiddy bangs growth? Do you have an aversion towards him or somthing ???. Dude made good music , he deserves his flowers too!!!!
Chiddy Bang? The group from Philly?
@@spek-27 yea
@@phillatio3266 I haven't heard that name in years. I still have their promo CD. I remember them not being too popular in Philly, and they claimed to be from here. They had some buzz with the whole (new at the time) Spank Rock / hipster crowd, but that was about it. Philly is very divided when it comes to the hip hop scene. There's the hardcore street scene, and there's the underground backpacker scene. Both scenes have well known nationwide artists, but they're so separated that neither side even knows that the other exists. At the time, Chiddy Bang didn't fit in with either side here.
Finna go listen to d twizzy right now
They was Kool back in day
When eminem was doin drugs with the blonde hair , was spittin 🔥
D12.….. they're a sad story..
So are we going to act like devils night wasn’t fire? 🔥🔥🔥🔥
It really wasn't
@@mfjudge9212 I guess you’d be the judge
Exactly
Yes. Stop simpin
@@mfjudge9212 really was
D12 was that gas
do a crucial conflict and a do or die one
Real 290 shit 💪🏿
PROOF
Fight Night still THUMPS💯💯
Proof predicted his own death. 🎶I'm in the to beef, you gotta murder me there.🎶 (40.oz) and Eminems Toy Soldiers video.
Do one on King Just or Ras Kass.
D-12 is one of the dopest groups ever. I just released a song with “Swifty McVay & Guilty Simpson” called “CAME UP”
Proof was one of the domestic underground m.c.'s period.
That’s deep
You need a tv show for your stunted growth
You didn't even say Bizzare when naming the group members. You said Fuzz? Who the fuck is fuzz? It's Em, Proof(rip), Kon Artis, Kuniva, Swift, Bizarre. RIP Bugz but he only had a snippet in D12 World
Bugz was so good man
Had the D12 poster on my wall as a kid
I used to steal them out of magazines 😂
The moment that proof died so did the group.
D12 is over..
Bizarre was in the group too
Do Arrested Development
Unfortunately bizarre was the only one with potential
🤣
The cruse of m&m
I could never listen to their cds that much. They were in Eminem shadow
?
I don't think so.
"Fight Music" not Fight night
Not one of them besides Eminem had any star charisma. None of them had a look or sound that was unique or special. Just 4 or 5 guys that you couldn't pick out of a crowd
Exactly 💯 outside of maybe bizzare
Foxy Brown would be a good one
He’s already done that one
Devils Night > D12 World
I never liked D12,they weren't gonna last. Em fans only care about Em.
You should do one on lil cease as you already did a jr Mafia
I just got done listening to the video it was great btw but yelawolf is not a whack rapper he has a lot of great projects under his belt imo and it’s not the same category as a mgk and Macklemore those two are whack white rappers and u can throw riff raff and jack harlow in there as well
You do know Em sacrificed Proff right?
D12 was over the min the first album dropped. Em was doing it for payback. Proof was the only one that was taking Rap seriously and the others just wanted to knock off the tour dates to Finnish getting paid.
History gets pretty distorted and forgotten real fuckin quick.
How about throw some love to Michigan Rap? Not the mainstream bullshit.
Awesome Dre
Detroit's most wanted
Esham
Natas
Dayton Family
McBreed
House of Crazies
ICP
Slum village
You know the dudes that didn't sit around the hip hop ship smoking and complaining they didn't have a record deal until it was handed to them by skinny white boy that owed them a favor.
😐😐
Nah that first album was a banger
Yelawolf ain't corny bro
Favorite D12 tracks
Purple Pill
Fight Music
Get Up
How Come
40 oz.
This is just my opinion and some may take offense to this but f**k it. D12 was screwed from the beginning because they (the optics) looked like a bunch of goofy, cornball Black dudes that were d*ckriders of Eminem, that’s a horrible look for Black men. Throughout the history of music or popular culture in general, but especially in hip-hop a Black hype man or assistant to the superstar White guy(s) never got respect, what was the name of the Black dude in the group 3rd Bass and what did he do for his career, I rest my case. If they wanted respect and recognition they should’ve stood on their own and got themselves in the game and not rely on Em to carry them.
It's "Fight Music". Not "Fight Night" 🙄
*Fight Music
em fell back cause he already had his money by 04 he wouldn't have stepped back if him n Dre never got each other paid .
I liked the radio stuff but a whole cd of these niggaz ! I’m good! I tell you what they were better than the st lunitics