The Truth About Arrow Straightness for Bow Hunting
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- For years, I would spend my hard earned money on high end arrows thinking I was getting a better product. Closer tolerances with weight and straightness coupled with some new marketing terms got my dollar bills every single year.
HOW IS STRAIGHTNESS MEASURED
First off, much like other product categories in the hunting industry, the lack of testing standards is apparent. ASTM/ATA standards say arrow straightness should be measured along the full length of the shaft minus 2". From my research, some companies will advertise the arrow straightness not throughout the shaft but only the difference between the starting and stopping points (that is obviously amplified for illustration). For example, if the arrow shaft had 1" deflection throughout the shaft but the starting and stopping points of the measurement were within +/- .003" then the straightness tolerance we be labeled as +/- .003". Other companies follow a much more accurate and honest procedure. So if you have a future arrow shaft purchase in mind ask questions!!
ILLUSION OF CHOICE
One of the biggest eye openers for me was that, in many cases, carbon arrow shafts regardless of tolerances are EXACTLY the same. Made from the same materials. Made with the same standards. Made with the same construction process. After production runs are completed, arrow shafts are then sorted and grouped together by "straightness" and marketed accordingly. In many cases, the sorting process gives manufactures the opportunity to have multiple sku's of carbon arrow shafts with different straightness tolerances without actually having different arrows!
As the marketing team does their job, prices points are set from the top down, with the straightest arrows being most expensive and marketed to more experienced shooters and the +/- .006" shafts being cheapest and marketed to newbies or price point purchasers.
WHY STRAIGHTNESS DOES NOT MATTER IN CARBON SHAFTS
From a physics standpoint or lab setting, straightness does matter to some extent...take long range shooting, bring in a shooting machine, and then repetitively shoot arrows ranging in straightness from +/- .001 to +/- .006. The straighter arrows will absolutely group better. BUT YOU ARE NOT A HOOTER SHOOTER! On top of the idea of human shooting flaws, the difference in grouping between arrows is relatively minimal. So keep yourself, the shooter, in perspective. In reality, there's only a few archers in the world that are skilled and consistent enough to see the benefit from shooting a "near perfect" +/- .001" arrow over a "average" +/- .003" arrow.
Straightness in carbon shafts is more about selling arrows than increasing accuracy. The actual difference between +/- .001 and +/- .006 shafts is literally hairs.
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Glad folks are putting out this info! Good stuff
Also, shorter draw length guys can also cut both ends too. Keep that in mind.
Crazy how easy it is to be a misinformed buyer. Great information and explanation!
Crazy how easily swayed you are over a UA-cam video…
Wish I would have known this earlier! Spent a lot of money on .001” arrows. I’m reality it’s more about how the arrow is built
I'm happy to pay up for my .001 Victory VAP TKO Elites. They make my ".0015" Sirius Orions look like the shit that they are. I bought 6 Orions to try out and 3 were extremely wobbly while the other three were still not even close to what I expected. 1 out of the 6 looked pretty straight. The Victory arrows, on the other hand, were straight beyond belief. All 12 had no discernable wobble whatsoever. It's because I'm no machine that I want the best; I want every possible advantage even if it's mostly psychological. Confidence is important in almost all pursuits.
And the industry loves you for it :)
@@brandonpatterson5705 Yes and it's a win-win since the cost difference is completely meaningless to me.
I'm going to have to disagree I build arrows a lot and I can tell you for a fact .001 spins a lot better than .006 when you put a big fixed blade up front why would you want to start off with an arrow that wobbles regardless of how good you are field points may not matter as much in your back yard but when it comes to broadhead flight it does. If you don't have the money buy a half dozen .001 take the time to spine aline insert time ect put those up for hunting and buy the .003 / .006 to practice throughout the year with a lot cheaper that way
I build my arrows also and yes it is all about broadhead flight. I build my dad's arrows also and he does .003 and .006 arrows witch are deff cheeper but I am able to cut from both sides of his arrows so I can make them straight. Mine I use all of the arrow but 1" that I cut off. So I need the straightest arrow I can get for that perfect broadhead flight with a tuned bow.
@@mattsoutdoors7757 yep depends on draw length what you can actually cut off I'm 31 inches so Id rather have a better arrow out of the gate
Lol so true thanks for being real guys ...half the stuff out there is about money anymore..
Short draw guys are going to cut off most of that runout as well. For long draw guys that might only cut off an inch or not cut off any I’d go.001 all day. Especially if they are shooting fixed broadheads.
I'm really glad I buy my arrows from an honest company I just purchased a dozen 300 spine .006 from Deer Crossing Archery in Lucasville ohio and I was going to get .003 but Daniel Adkins one of the owners told me it was unnecessary that he would rather spend the extra money on spine indexing and for $10 a dozen why not. If you're in the market for new arrows I would highly recommend looking up deer crossing archery
Great arrows! I just bought 2 dozen myself.
Absolutely 💯 correct...no different than ammo, or anything else that is manufactured. Thanks for the reminder...
Thanks for watching!! Happy hunting
You can definitely see a lot of wobble when you spin .06 vs .01 so i hunt with .01 for fixed blade flight and practice throughout the year with .06
I've always heard that consistent spine is more important than straightness.
You won't ever catch me buying 0.001" arrows. I have been bow hunting for way too long to fall for that.
So Chad would this be a "game changer" type of thing.. asking for a friend.
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If the arrow did not flex it would matter
Broadhead accuracy is likely where straightness tolerances would have a greater influence on flight and grouping. A crooked arrow tipped with a field point can still fly pretty straight. Screw a broadhead onto a crooked arrow and betting on it hitting the mark would be a mistake. Try your shooting tests with a 3-blade Muzzy broadhead or the "wide" Iron Will broadheads and see how the groups differ between arrow straightness categories. That would be telling.
Not punching the release is way more important than straightness of the arrow. I am amazed at the hunting videos and expert shooters that shoot a punchamatic.
@@johneasterling1092 I have noticed that as well. Watched a video of a gentleman poo-pooing the "FOC craze" that somehow didn't fix his shooting. All the while, he is flinching at the shot.
Remember that your arrow tolerance is plus or minus the stated value. Total Indicated Runout (TIR) is another value involved. The outside diameter (OD) is just that, the OD. What are the TIR / Concentricity values? Does the ID run true to the OD? Install your inserts and support the arrow between centers and see what you have...it won't be +/- .001" for a 'precision' arrow, IMO. The Easton Aluminum arrow is the truest arrow, IMO.
I got me a set of your mmt's and the fletching hits my chin at draw
I watched your video at the start of this video and I can see it hits your chin also. Take a look. I am going to have to re-flech them little too tight for me, but I have a beard like you.
I'm confused there's also a .0025 arrow is that straighter than the others???
I think this is only true with field tips I can tell a difference when I shoot broadheads and I’m far from elite
Thanks for sharing, question what is the name of the tool you are using to check the arrows and where can I get one?
Thanks Jason
The more bent the arrow is, the more drastic the first dynamic bend will be. Straightness allows you to be slightly off with spine alignment.
How drastic when you’re talking human hair tolerances? Again, from our testing, not much when we find the first bend in different shafts.
@@chadsyl23 It's more about the likelihood of multiple natural bends existing in opposite directions. Variations in fiber and resin density (compactness), layup, and voids will be exaggerated by some bends and hidden by others.
It's not terribly important. It does have an effect, but it's pretty small. Good shafts don't need to be perfectly straight. Bad construction exaggerates poor straightness.
@@YoureSoVane now that definitely makes sense! Thanks for the input
@@chadsyl23 No problem!
Arrow spine consistency is way more important!
I've bought 24 easton axis match grades and I dont think 21 of them would make it to .003 standard. F*cking garbage and im now in the process of switching arrow. Thinking victory or sirius archery
21 of them look like they've been hit into trees that's how bad they are. I dont even think they'd make .01 heck with the .00? Lol that's how bad they are
The exodus MMT’s would be a great choice