How Do Antidepressants And Antipsychotic Drugs Change Your Brain? with Robert Whitaker
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Schizophrenics in the United States currently fare worse than patients in the world’s poorest countries. Medical journalist Robert Whitaker argues that modern treatments for the severely mentally ill are just old medicine in new bottles, and that we as a society are deeply deluded about their efficacy. The widespread use of lobotomies in the 1920's and 1930's gave way in the 1950's to electroshock and a wave of new drugs. In what is perhaps Robert Whitaker’s most damning revelation, he examines how drug companies in the 1980's and 1990's skewed their studies to prove that new anti-psychotic drugs were more effective than the old, while keeping patients in the dark about dangerous side effects.
Robert Whitaker raises important questions about our obligations to the mad, the meaning of “insanity,” and what we value most about the human mind.
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Just my own opinion . But from personal experience of taking antipsychotics and from the research I’ve done , I think it is morally reprehensible to prescribe these drugs . I can understand it if someone has symptoms of psychosis and delusions etc , but even then the side effects are terrible and can destroy ones quality of life from no sexual function to horrible cognitive impairment , to obesity . And it’s not like neuroleptics are only taken by schizophrenics . Psychiatrists will prescribe them for anything , and then they won’t even really go into explicit detail as to how they might effect the patient long term. Some dude like me will just be desperate to feel better and just take them , and then will later realise what a huge fucking error that was . Ive spoken to a few people and I’ve read up on a lot of people who took antipsychotics for a whole list of issues and it messed them up in so many ways . It eventually just becomes a fight to not only feel better emotionally like it was in the first place but rather to just gain a fraction of the mental ability that the person once had . I mean if that isn’t a fucking inefficient , painful and evil way to “treat” patients then I don’t know what is . You would think that in today’s world we would have a better way to treat mental health , other than this trial and error of horrendous mood stabilisers , antidepressants and antipsychotics . They might as well just give you a blunt force concussion and tell you that it’s medical treatment . It would save a lot of time . And it would be a lot less traumatic. I dare say it would probably Mess someone up less than the method we have now
indeed. I know this road, too... have you looked up Dr J here on UA-cam? he worked with schizophrenic patients for decades and has come to done pretty fascinating conclusions... he's definitely worth checking out ... luck to you.... cheers
SO well put. I wholeheartedly AGREE with you. Lied to with religious BS and Big Harma. Also, I think beginning with domestic violence in the home, then at school. Corporal punishment, spankings, etc.is not acceptable as discipline. Grew up in Oklahoma where incidence of domestic violence per capita is greater than any other state. I was raised in it. Was all I knew. Then sent to a catholic parochial school where physical punishment was also administered. We are brainwashed into thinking we deserve to be beaten with a belt, switch, ruler, hand, etc. After all, it's endorsed by the fukking bible. There is no evidence of a god, they made it all up. It's bullshit. Hoping everyone will heal from child abuse, complicated even more by these poisonous drugs. And the ones who abused us were also abused. Society is fukking sick. $$$ Driving religion and the p'HARM'aceutical industry. Industries of DEATH. That's my arrogant ass opinion. Ever thought about the horrific carnage done by the Catholic church? The Inquisition, the holocaust.Hitler was Christian. Thought he was doing God's work exterminating the jews that killed 'god's " so called son. The god of the bible is fukking fiction. God(s) are man made. Most people who call themselves christian, have never even read the entire Bible. It is nothing but myths, folklore, sorceries abd other superstitious magical thinking. Yet people cling to the nonsense they've been taught since birth. Sad. Sad, sad.
You are right
There's nothing necessary RE: these "chemical pacifiers" called psych meds (especially antidepressants & antipsychotics/neuroleptics). BTW; neuroleptics r distant cousins 2 benzodiazapines (e.g.: OlanZAPINE, CloZAPINE, etc.).
Not to mention the drugs cause permanent anhedonia, emotional flattening, dizziness, photosensitivity, parkisonism, akathisia. They just destroy you neurologically, a complete lobotomy.
An SSRI robbed me of who I am in my early 20s and now I’m more a shell of a human than when I went on it..
Hey B, can I ask you what happened? I’m 23 and I’m seriously thinking to get on meds, I’ve been suicidal.
@@Thomasshhh me too ..my life is Soo bad , but is the medications gonna make it worst 😞
But at this point i Lost all hope ..i basacly dont leave the house ..dont shower..feel i cant Cook food or care for my self at a Basic level ..my mind is very confused , i cant make decisions by my self and feel my brain dosent work the same way ...feel tiered when speacking to ppl and have no intrest in nothing at all ..Im not even working and i feel i cant work like this 😓.
@@Thomasshhh Please do not take this poison
@@nellen474idk if you took the same drug as me (invega Sustenna) but I know exactly how you feel everything you just explained is literally the way I am no basic level or ability to express myself or take care of myself.. I’ve never been this way in my whole life. How are you doing now? Are you feeling any improvement today?
Plz take Black seed with water soak & boil 1 glass of water try to give it a try once
My son was wrongly diagnosed with schizophrenia and sectioned and forced onto clozapine,
the deterioration in his condition is horrific, but they still insist he has been correctly diagnosed and this is the correct medication.
there is no words in the human language to discribe what he has been through, tortured relentlessly.
once your are diagnosed it no longer about you, it is about the drugs,
The professionals defend them even when it is obvious there is a major problem. The drug companies run the whole show,
the treatment plans are all designed by them to maximize profits. The whole system is corrupt from the institutes of clinical excellence who give the go ahead for these drugs right down to the doctors surgery. There are measures in place to protect the professionals when it all goes wrong, Many of the doctors are very arrogant as they know they are untouchable. They are duty bound to defend the drugs and treatment plans even when they know they are not working. They will not rock the boat as they are so well paid and would be sacked if they told the truth. Unfortunatelly this is the reality and the sick world we live in.
Its incredible this atrocity exists in this world.
Money money capitalism is disgusting
I believe your words to be true in my experience. I am patiently waiting for justice. They don't even want to lower it over time. Very evil world we live in.
Mr.Whitaker is the best of what we are and can be .
These drugs have stolen my life from me. I was lied to all these years.
Same
@Jared McDaniel Amen, Jared.
He's put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our God. Many shall see and fear and put their trust in the LORD. Psalm 40:3
I sought the LORD, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears. Those who look to him are radiant, nd their faces shall never be ashamed. This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him and saved him out of all his troubles. Psalm 34
Pure therapeutic TRUTH. This is what God uses to change us at the heart level.
They helped me survive
Destroyed mine too with pseudoscience. I was lied too as well.
@@sanelito How do you know it was the drugs?
I was court ordered 8 antipsychotic injections, I haven't been the same since, they destroyed my life. I hope I recover from the drugs, my life was good before this
@Muslim AZ im sorry to hear, its a very difficult experience, ive been off the injections for about 11 months, i have recovered and feel alot better but im still not the same as before the injections,, i still believe ill completely recover from the injections, hang in there you will get through this
@@simsim5919 well your nuts leave that gf alone and she cops would have never came
@Muslim AZ ive just fully recovered, i went for a run the other day i feel normal again, i can leave looking for hope on youtube behind now as things are good again, all the best
@@simsim5919 Are you ok? do you feel like nothing is real after leaving meds? can you help me?
@@serhumano7368 hi I felt like nothing was real on them and as it slowly taperd out of my system for 1 year, the nothing is real feeling and perception leads to paranoia for me but I reminded myself that it's the antipsychotic drugs making me feel that way, its terrible they make people take this evil poison as it causes the mental illness they claim they are trearing with the antipsychotics, I dont have any of the altered states that these drugs cause anymore and have recovered from them apart from im still always tired where as before I had energy all day, although disappointing I can live with being tired bit I can't live any life with antipsychotic drugs changing my brain and body normal functioning, the terrible thing is many people have committed suicide due to these drugs as they never knew the drug was causing the problems and after an injection is stopped it can take 9 months to 1 year to no longer be in your system which stupid psychiatrists don't even know and deny.
There is something psychiatrists often spread, that psychotic episodes lead to dementia, so you have to take your medication to avoid that. I would like to know if that is true. I had a girlfriend that suffered a lot due to her medications, and she wasn't a normal person, she had issues, but the medication not only didn't bring much improvement as it also brought side effects. The main justification was that if let without the anti-psychotic she would degenerate into madness. She is taking 6 different medications at the same time, and spending a small fortune with a physician.
Sounds as if she's alrdy degenerated in2 madness bc of psych meds. It's still astonishing how pervasively IGNORNANT health care providers r RE: psych meds & their nasty adverse effects.
Yah same, that bullshit money greed and lies from drug companies teaching the doctors. How did it go now?
Funny that they claim that psychotic episodes cause dementia, given that there is absolutely zero evidence to support the claim. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence to show that antipsychotics cause dementia. Pretty sure they're blaming antipsychotic brain damage on psychosis to avoid cognitive dissonance.
It is possible to recover from psychosis without drugs, like with the open dialogue model. It has been proven to be more effective than anti-psychotic drugs.
@@pineappleflow2876 i believe you, but are you a doctor for others to believe you?
They say that benzos are hard to come off that was not my experience! Paxil took me over a year to come off of I was on it for 9 years and it was an absolute nightmare getting off! My different doctors told me it was all in my head and it shouldn't take more than a month! That's when I lost faith in doctors. I realized they didn't understand what they were talking about this was back in 2011.
When you are coming of these drugs the withdrawal symptoms can be horrific.
they will blame this on your illness returning but is is withdrawal symptoms. it is common practice by the doctors it is what they are trained to do. The drugs are what is important to them not you,
you are just another patient they cannot get better.
@@robertrowan8738 They know its the drugs but blame the patients invented illness they have created. Psychiatrists are dangerous criminals.
@@robertrowan8738Exactly; psych meds r actually "chemical pacifiers" (i.e.: designed 2 silence u when getting abused, bullied, & harassed by other people; especially those deemed as "authority figures" such as law enforcement officers, court personnel including judges, medical personnel {especially mental health}, parents, etc.).
imo , neuroleptics aka antipsychotic drugs are torture and should never be used . Parents, friends , coworkers will tell you how much better you are when you are being tortured from within . How we behave towards others , How others behave towards ourselves and how we behave with our selves determines mental health or as was used 30 or so years ago "happiness" -- relatively speaking -- sadness and in my opinion somewhere in between is where most of us are at most of the time and that is good . Giving ourselves and others "some slack" or our frailties are what makes us "human" . We got to stop being each other's sergeants . stop pulling each other's strings .
However this is difficult in this age of "all inclusive" internet . They want us to be cookie cutter people and produce and consume . We as humans are becoming flesh and blood hardware and software , a part of what makes neoliberal capitalism go round . Stop it !!
It doesn't matter if it is atypical, new or old all neuroleptics are torture . if memory serves, In the old Soviet Union circa 1950s to circa 1989 Dissidents were tortured with thorazine . At the same time American psychiatrists were dosing patients 2 to 3 times that much and thought it was ok .
Abilify , will cause akathisia just as bad as the old haldol and thorazine imo , although i have never taken it nor have i been on neuroleptics for 30 years . but that year of neuroleptic akathisia in my late teens still scars me to this day . I always have this knee jerk reaction to feel fear or shame about every time i am about to let go and relax . thats what torture does to one . you can never trust anyone again .....later. peace, love and joy to you my comrades and i don't have anything good to say about family , friends, society because they drove us nuts , in my opinion
thank you. God offers His full care of us, if we surrender unto Him. Then we don't have to worry.
Do you know what helps to recover from the damage the drug does?
Sometimes I can't believe I'm taking this shit...whatever I'm trying to get my dosage reduced soon, we'll see if my team agrees.
How are you now? Were you able to taper off your antipsychotic?
@@adamo36532 I'm still on the meds, although I may switch to taking the pill form at some point. I may not have to, we'll see. I've adapted to the side effects so much, it doesn't affect me hugely.
I hope you are doing well!
I just discovered Robert Whitaker last night when I watched a very disturbing and highly illuminating documentary about the dark side of anti-depressants. OMG! I was dumbfounded when I saw and heard what anti-depressants had done to some individuals. One man killed his twin daughters, another killed his teenage son, while several young people committed suicide after starting regimens of anti-depressants.
so can the Brain then repair itself once you start coming of them because that is hhwere i am at right now
Same as me! I'm worried!
You will recover, but have in mind that your problems come back with it...
multiwonderrr it can take years tho and not everyone will recover
@@multiwonderrrwhat about for those persons who were normal before these drugs?
4 years ago i had taken anti depressant..after that i m facing some issues like writers cramp..doctors say it is due to brain damage caused by anti depressant..
Is there any remedy to recorrect it?
I get that too! It also goes by the name dystonia too. My feet and fingers get it. Using the keyboard and mouse get painful and frustrating. I am not sure what you can do about it, sorry.
Look into these people:
Ken Berry
Anthony Chaffee
Dr Baker
Paul Saladino.
Eat lots of saturated animal fats, and protein.
I had a depressed skull fracture and subdural hematoma that caused years of mental health issues. I never went to psych help or took any of their drugs. I just suffered through all the horrible thoughts, and symptoms of a major TBI.
Fasting and diet correction changed my life. It's amazing what an ideal diet can do.
Why does everything have to be so complicated
no shit.
These medications have truly been a lifeline, aiding countless lives, including mine. If you search on UA-cam for testimonials about Prozac, you’ll find mostly positive experiences, some spanning over 10 years. Let’s emphasize assisting those struggling with depression and thoughts of suicide as our top priority.
Once you realise how much shit you don't need in life, and it's all just clever marketing and disinformation- you'll see you dont really need much other than good food, exercise and disconnecting from the modern worlds traps / technology and shit.
if u have a serious issue like OCD or Anxiety or Depression it is your actions that can reduce it's effect / severity, you might not ever fully rid of yourself of these conditions but you can lesson it greatly through your own studies on these conditions and the actions you take to mitigate them.
I had bad anxiety & depression, but most of it was solved by changing my life, i am by no means suffering from Schizophrenia or OCD which is alot more severe- but i think the same principle should roughly apply to some extent.
Took my life away from me , I was on Celexa a doctor added Prozac , after about almost 2 months I stop taking does Prozac because I felt so fucking weird, and I was weird for about four months after that he didn’t think anything of it and then it was just like I dropped off a cliff I was in my robe for 2 1/2 years, then they diagnosed me with bipolar, even though I never had any symptoms only mild depression after I had my second son. Next thing you know, they put me on Abilify with welbutrin and Celexa the fucking weird strange is two years of my life I know I was in the psychosis. It all came to ahead about a month ago I had to go to the hospital because I thought I was dying and half my body was gone. I haven’t taken any meds in about a month and a half and I feel better than I have in years. Somethings gotta be done about this. 36 years old and I woke up sick one day.
preface : the following is my opinion and stories i have heard . I am not liable if you take it as advice, etc . do your own research or get some good folks to help you do research . thanks .
imho - Any of you been on benzodiazepines for a long time ? Usually as an adjunct to neuroleptics or you happen to be in that time and space in the 1980s and 1990s when xanax was the only relief we felt after a decade or less after being traumatized by neuroleptics ? They were dolling out xanax in the 1980s(at least at the anxiety clinic or group in my city) like way over toxicity , like 10 mg per day .
While i am still benzodiazepine dependent , I am on 3 5mg of valium(diazepam) per day . You lose or overuse , in my experience you got 5 days at least till you go into withdrawals and seizures . Klonopin is really really hard to survive in withdrawal without going insane or dieing . i hear a lot of horror stories from comrades in detox . Must of them jumped ship and went out into the illegal market . Again this is hearsay and my opinion but most heroin addicts have told me that their benzo detox was worse than their smack detox . Again , i don't know all the facts, just feedback i get
So i got my quack(shrink, psychiatrist, medical school failure, et al) to transfer me from Klonopin(clonazepam) to the original diazepam--valium ( or maybe diazepam was second after librium ? )
Well at first the moron thought mg to mg . So this jerk puts me on 3mg of valium a day to replace 3 mg of clonazepam ! i got a new quack and she put me on the lowest "range" dose of valium which 15 mg per day is equivalent to 1.5 clonazepam . It was a wasted year , starting to get use to it i guess . I am for the Swiss Program of addictive drug maintenance . It cuts the violent crime , patients naturally take less smack or other addictive drugs like benzos , addicts don't have to sell their bodies or do petty theft and they are no longer in the desperation of where my next fix going to come from . they work , and have a relatively decent life and anecdotally they have eventually, over time, maybe yeaRS a bigger percent of drug addicts and users come off completely , imo the abstinence model does not work
Been on Both SSIRs and Antipsychotics for years.... :/
Me too. Massively hard to come off. I care more about my health now I'm not so docile and can see a better life but dam near impossible at times. fucking scary man. Are you staying on? it's not easy cognitive function hits you with a tone of bricks and you can even have a psychosis during the taper.
@@krssnoop did you ever come off your antipsychotics?
@@krssnoophow are you now bro
I took depakote and it injured my brain it is now sore every day now
What do you mean by sore?
it means, no dopamine, no serotonine, like you wanna drive but the trunk is always almost empty
@@Av-uv6xu Hmm
I have been forced to take 14, I mean 14 injections of a neuroleptic called Xeplion 😭😭.
Me too 😢
i love blocked dopamine and no desire
What? Seriously
Is there any type of herb the can fix. The imbalance and put it back to normal?
Yes proper diet can help your brain with fixing itself. Your brain will do it's best to fix itself.
I'm so sick of Psychiatry, I wish it would be eradicated, my life is currently ruined because of forced antipsychotic injections, i don't know how much longer I have to put up with my life being destroyed by these bastards
@@riptaetae1597what diet
14 people work for Johnson & Johnson ....i tink
IV been on them 20 years I feel dead inside no emotion empty
why did they put you on them??
Is the damage irreversible? 😢😢😢
always believe in organism healing abilities. Sleep is the biggest hope, once you get to the point you can sleep, give up "entertainment" or so, that doesn't taste anyway and sleep as long as you can. I believe every extra sleep should contribute to my healing, that's what I do (got nothing better actually), and I'll never lose my faith. Also try to cook, eat something hot everyday, observe what your organism might need to eat, someone recommended saturated animal fats. I also feel I need (maybe for another reasons) ascorbic acid (pure vitamine c). Read, get knowledge, prob no caffeine is good now. Don't take anything for granted, find your own ways, never give up. I also take long baths more often, try to create best circumstances for healing, it's still slow though, enjoy every tiny step forward
@@Av-uv6xu Thank you so much, I Will try not to lose faith or hope
@@MA-qw6cbi am recovered with 95% with hope
@@mihaitilting7081 you have no idea about the brain damage, the thing that is no longer a withdrawal becouse it lasts for months (for me already) or years, it changes perception and it's not a congnitive decline luckily for me. My imagination was damaged, so yes it's in the brain. Feeling the atmoshpere around worse, darker (especially before, at worse days it was even pshycodelic). Why would you ever want to mock the victim of this horrible system? I was forced on that thing and before that everything was normal. Luckily I was on it very short amount of time, otherwise your 'cognitive decline' would hit too (struggled with that a bit too, like around a month of my design work I need to pretty much redesign).
@@mihaitilting7081 you have no idea about the damage, that lasts for months (for me already) or years (for most ppl stories I read), it changes perception and it's not a congnitive decline luckily for me. My imagination was damaged. Feeling the atmoshpere around worse, darker (especially before, at worse days it was even pshycodelic). Why would you ever want to mock someone who went through these horrible things? It wasn't my decision to be put on that thing and before that everything was normal. Luckily I was on it very short amount of time, otherwise your 'cognitive decline' would hit too (struggled with that a bit too, like around a month of my design work I need to pretty much redesign).
We all are correct in our understanding of the impact of these medicines on our own lives. Abilify took away my violence and misanthropy. And now I can’t affoard it. So I’m cold turkey suffering. Great. I’m a college grad and I still live on ramen noodle survival levels. God. I’m going to take a glock dose one day to end this pain.
I hope u found some peace in your life and chose to stay with us. ❤
so.. is this.. true?
"It’s not an authority or professionally written - and I am NOT a medical professional. I do however have a lot of first-hand experience ingesting pharmaceutical (psychiatric) medications and a Bachelor’s degree in psychology." - mentalhealthdaily.com/about/
I'd take this acknowledgement (of the author of the article) regarding his professional background very seriously. Basically, he is a guy like me with a tremendous interest in science and quite thorough critical thinking skills.
However, lack of a thorough knowledge about the subject is really dangerous and makes him open to serious blunders in conclusions.
"In the past it was long assumed that schizophrenia was a neurodegenerative condition..." - well it is. Just look at the UNTREATED schizophrenics and you will see HOW degenerative the illness ITSELF is. It is NOT the antipsychotic medications. Even if it was a bit adversary, the benefits from treating schizophrenia with AP far outhweight the negative effects it has. I can not stress enough what a difference is between a treated and untreated patient.
To sum it up: IF you need an AP medication you should take it no questions asked. In some cases like personality disorder you MIGHT not need it or it MIGHT even be counterproductive. In these cases you might ask for another MEDICAL opinion from a professional you trust.
Dont let these old farts fool u
You mean the psychiatrist quacks? No problem.
Ms. Beaumont; I hope that the "old farts" comment doesn't pertain 2 Dr. Whitaker.
but it saved my life klonopin and effexor saved my life
I believe that it may be possible if a person takes a particular medication be it SSRI, antipsychotic etc. that the brain indeed may try to compensate.
However, SSRI’s (for those who’s brain accept it). Play a crucial role in allowing people to live a “normal life”, by suppressing crying bouts, alleviating suicidal ideation, giving the person more energy to function, get out of bed, alleviating feelings of heaviness/hopelessness.
I am a therapist, and I can honestly say that Zoloft & Wellbutrin were God sends in helping me get back to normal functioning after a severe depressive episode!
Yes there are side affects, such as depersonalization, blurry vision (up close to objects, and sometimes headaches. However the benefits far outweigh the negatives.
I was in a pit & couldn’t treat my clients due to my own personal issues. As a result I took a leave from work and started medication and exercise, also all the “coping strategies” I teach my clients.
After 5 months I’m feeling better and about to start the titration period.
These medications aren’t supposed to be lifelong, but instead when using along with therapy allows you to get back to normal functioning with recognition of how the depression came on for example, trauma , loss of loved one, anxiety (focusing on this out of our control), and so on. When you stop the medication, your brain will work on returning to its previous baseline.
I don't think so becoz it's been 18 months now I have quitted but the symptoms remain as they were I am having no emotions satisfaction apathy no need of hunger/thrist & many more
Have you never considered that perhaps crying is sometimes what we need? Let go for just a moment of the idea that there's anything different between the people you label mentally ill and people you label as healthy. Can you look at a "mentally ill" person as a human being? When someone cries, they're crying for a reason. How would you comfort a friend who was crying? Would you try to stop their crying by force? I would hope not. Then why do it to anyone else?
Nobody's brain accepts SSRI's. SSRI's are neurotoxins just like all psychiatric drugs. They permanently damage the brain and cause apathy fatigue depression confusion and no feelings. There are no benefits with these drugs only harm. When taken for prolonged periods of time its impossible to get off and permanent neurological damage remains. You speak nonsense.