I think S1 of Preacher is a testament to respecting the source material when adapting it. And I never in a million years would have thought Herr Star or Humperdoo or even just Arseface would have ever been seen on tv. I applaud their willingness to commit to the absolute insanity the comics came up with.
It was a great mix of being familiar yet different. To make such massive changes to the source material, and be able to make most of the core fans happy is really a testament to how good the writing and execution was.
@@DoBap_ And I am hard to please with comic adaptations. I've become more easy-going over the last couple of decades (I had to! Marvel does almost nothing BUT miss the mark - Punisher: Warzone, you know I'm not talking about you, put that shotgun down). I was harder to please on Preacher (until that amputation of Herr Star which was complained about; I had been antsy out loud to friends, doubting they'd even touch that arc at all, then OMG THEY KINDA DID IT. I still knew they'd never do a comic-accurate God though) than I was when The Boys arrived; there was a level of trust I found in Seth's and Evan's treatment of Preacher. "Oh! They *GET* Garth Ennis!! They just gotta maneuver to get his iller stuff on TV!" Lexi Alexander GETS Garth Ennis (Punisher: Warzone). Jonathan Hensleigh (The Punisher) does NOT get Garth Ennis although he had a fucking Ennis Plot Arc and characters. Humperdoo was arguably improved in the show.
@@AxeMan808thanks for your comment here! I just started binging Preacher season 1, and decided to also order Absolute Preacher Vol 1 (I think that’s issues 1 through 25/26?). I have been curious if reading the original is gonna make the show unwatchable haha, or if it’ll still be a fun watch, even if different or at times not as faithful. Unrelated to Ennis but re: comic-movie adaptations (also, entirely just my opinion here, disclaimer lol), I saw V for Vendetta in theaters, so 2005 (… wow haha so long ago). My friends and I were all 18 or 19, so the violence, surface level anarchist ideas (though FAR less deep in the movie as it turned out), and general weirdness compared to superheros and comics we had seen before that made us all love it when we left the theater. But I had 1 buddy who had read the graphic novel before, and he wasn’t into the movie. He tried explaining how it left out some of the most important stuff, edited down scenes and elements that really mattered, and sort of missed and dumbed down the actual sociopolitical commentary of the novel, but really just told me to just buy the novel haha. I did, and despite my desire to love the movie, I understood his perspective and couldn’t get past it, as I now LOVED the source material 😂. I can still watch the movie and have fun with it for the kind of nostalgia vibe, just reminding me of that time and my friends, but it totally lost the impact I once thought it had. Vs. the graphic novel, which still blows me away when I read it. I got so into the comic… I wound up learning the entire song that is in it (it has actual sheet music in the comic, haha), and trying to use it for a beat 😅.
Pip Torrens really saved the series for me. I was 2 episodes into season 3 and realized that I had come to hate the 3 main characters as childish, impulsive, arrogant, and inconsistent. Waiting for the Starr, Eugene, and David Hilter scenes kept me going.
You just reminded me that because The Boys is his most popular adaptation, most people will never know that Garth Ennis has written VASTLY better comics. And now I'm sad.
Its annoying, lately all I see when people talk about Ennis is how edgy and mean spirited he is and sure that's an element of his writing (especially in The Boys and Crossed (and I'd argue is kind of what you sign up for when you read past the first issue of those series)) but it doesn't embody Garth's collective body of work, the man is an incredible writer and one of the greats for a reason. It's like basing your entire opinion of Frank Miller's work on Holy Terror, an absolute disservice to the people as artists. I also see the way he uses that kind of material as schlocky and pulpy, it's in good fun, not the kind of edginess you get out of something like The Funnies.
One of the biggest flaws of this series imo is that Cassidy never fully repairs his relationship with Jesse. The friendship between the three protagonists was a huge strength and I love that Season 2 starts out just as 3 pals on a road trip. It's so sad that it's basically stated that Cassidy never saw Jesse and Tulip afterwards and only showed up when they both died.
The balls of this show to introduce a whole towns worth of characters only to kill them all at the end of the first season is insane I do like the side plots when they get fun, the uptown girl fight is 10/10 and Eugene becoming friends with Hitler Season 3 might have to be my favourite, teasing his family and the new characters introduced are amazing. Grandma is so good as a villain
I enjoyed this show, I binge watched it on streaming, it was fun, I gotta say Cassidy was my favorite character, he turned out being a completely different character than I thought he would be, you don’t imagine that the drug addicted hedonistic vampire would be the most reasonable member of the group but yet he is.
You should check out "misfits" (a quirky little superhero show out of the uk) if you like the actor. He shows up in season 3 and really steals the show. He plays a duplicate arctype, where he splits in to two versions of himself, one whos meek, and emotional and the other being brash and rude. Often playing off himself, his acting is top notch.
What pisses me off about the use of power is, the comics perfectly uses the power and had no inconsistences While the series keeps adding, removing and conveluting the rules
@@ZackHeise Production notes from On High. "You can't show that." "You can't have her say that." "You can't have him say that." "They can't be together when that happens." etc etc etc.
One of the biggest flaws of this show. In comics the rules are laid out quickly. We know what kind of power Genesis gave to Jesse, or how Saint of Killers weapons work. They start toying with this ideas, write themselves into corner so they need to invent new stuff on the fly.
Thank you for covering this show. You hit the nail on the head when it came to the show's depreciating quality. Regardless, still a favorite show of mine when it was airing.
In the comics, the word of god doesnt just control people. It can literally cause phenomenon to occur simply by word of command. So sending someone to hell with a command is not out of the question
as someone that read (and loved) the comics, but only saw the pilot of the show, it sounds like the show got trapped in the swirl of uncertainty that is being a tv show on AMC. If they'd known going in that they'd have 5 or 6 seasons, they could have fit a straight adaptation of the source material into that. But everything being up in the air until S3 (or even S4) made them reshuffle plotlines at the cost of necessary connective tissue. Main example, Odin Quincannon didn't even show up as a character for the first 3 and a half years of the comic run.
Season 1 is great! Unfortunately it kinda goes downhill after that. Season 2 started great but kinda dragged, season 3 really started to lose me, and I didn’t really care for season 4 at all.
I think Preacher sending Eugene to hell was more of an example of how powerful Genesis really is. When he did that, it was a moment of passion, and we know the power of Genesis can be so much more if developed over time, when Jesse is force tossing God like a sack of potatoes. Unfortunately, they never really dive into what Jesse could do beyond using the word, until the end.
While it would have undoubtedly been better than what we got, I certainly don't think the comics are some sacred cow never to be altered. There's tons of poorly aged stuff in it that was of its time, pacing issues and the story kind of meandering around. The series has an excellent core and cast, but for the best adaptation you'd need to streamline and trim the fat by a *lot*.
I made it all the way to the guy who deafened himself. The "WHAT" killed me. And also convinced me to go watch the show first before I watch this video. Thanks for that
Some would argue Punisher Max was Ennis’ second most popular comic series, not The Boys. While not a character he created, it’s definitely one that he ended up being the defining writer for.
I like both of his punisher runs I like the darkness of Max and I like the fun of him getting a polar bear to kill a mob guy that’s chasing him in knights
100% with you. Was a pretty big fan of s1 Lost interest in s2 Gained it again in s3 And s4 was just a huge mess. A shame they did not capture the magic of s1 again
i'm in the same boat, i adore seasons one and three, two is fine but not as engaging even though i do really like the grail characters, and i have completely repressed season four because of how disappointing it was.
After a great first season I had a similar falling out with Preacher in season two, before a reluctant grind to the finish when season three came out. It sounds like you had a similar watching experience, so it was great to see you articulate why the viewership went down in season two. Just saw Anna Torv in the Last of Us premiere and reminded me that I’d love to see a Fringe retrospective! One of my all time favorite series til it fell off in the last season or two.
I don't know why I bailed (maybe I quickly got tired of the Saint of Killers?) but one scene where the three angels were fighting each other and each time, one was killed, they 'were reborn' in a new body, while the old corpses just piled up--it was strangely hilarious in a three stooges/it's a mad mad mad mad world kind of way.
"Fringe" was awesome! I came to it when I was searching around for a series waiting for "Mindhunter"' 3rd season. I told Olshaker, Mindhunter's co-creator, not to wait for David Fincher. That was the reason for the show's hiatus. The creators wanted to wait for the series director, Fincher to be freed up from filming. I warned them waiting too long for one director would tank the show. That's exactly what happened. Anna Torv was great in that series, as well.
I'm a little late to the party, but I just wanted to say that your videos have all been wonderfully made. There is so much Fantastical wordplay that I can't get over. That I don't want to get over, and I won't! Thank you for doing what you do!❤
As someone who never saw the show but read all of the comic, it sounds like it's actually a pretty good adaptation, and you might be giving the TV writers both too much credit and blame. Because the comic also starts out very strong, then meanders around and struggles to find new highs, occasionally does so, occasionally misses, and then just sort of ends (though it treats Cassidy better in the end from the sound of things).
@@mr.icannot5641 Yeah he does. He's essentially given a fresh start after all the pain and misery he's inflicted on literally everyone around him except maybe his first circle of friends. Cassidy screws everyone, willingly or not, but gets de-vampirised and a blank slate. That's more than anyone who has his history could ask for.
Exactly this. I loved the comic to be sure, but as much as I did, it's a goddamn slog sometimes. All things considered, I think the show did a better job, over all. Opinions and assholes though. The things I missed most from the comics were the shorter side stories that helped develop character, but on the tails end of that coin, I don't feel that including them in the show would have helped at all. For what it's worth though, its a genuinely great adaptation. I think if people these days could remember how SHIT comic movies and shows used to be, the wouldn't be so quick to judge a single weak season as harshly as they do. Even at its worst, it was STILL better than most of what was around at the time by a pretty large margin.
I love this show and do not understand how I have not met a single person who's seen it. I even got season 2 an 3 on DvD in a discount bin! More people need to see it. Good vid mate.
my man, I dearly love the show, it went so balls to the walls, even some friends, who are usually not interestedin such shows gave it a shot. I'm highly anticipating what you have to say about it. This is my first encounter w/ your channel, hopefully it's not the last!
To be fair: the comics suffer from the same loss of pacing and story for suite 2 and arguably 3. Suspend your disbelief, ignore plotholes, and you'll be able to appreciate the full series. At the end of the day, it's entertainment and art. Opinion is valid because it's an opinion, but as a comic fan, I'm about to have my fiancee watch the show for the first time, and honestly, it's a good time still!
I wouldnt say its a bad show, but I was pretty disappointed with how they re-wrote the trio's dynamic... it's the heart of the comic book. Just as a quick explanation : The BFF nature of Jesse and Cassidy is almost non-existent in the show, yeah he's there, but they never seem to agree or have fun together, in the book it's like a ''bro at first sight'' kind of situation because they agree on almost everything. Tulip and Jesse are supposed to be completely in love, Tulip may know Jesse is dangerous and unpredictable but that's also part of why she's falling for him over and over. Most of the time in the comics when Jesse and Tulip fight, it end up in sex. So when Cassidy starts falling in love with Tulip it's a huge drama moment, especially because he goes behind Jesse's back and Tulip doesn't entirely consent.. Which make Jesse's return intimadating and peak drama. In the show Tulip seems annoyed by Jesse (and she's right, he's such a push-over in the show)... The saint of killer was pretty cool but then again how the hell could you ruin him, he's such a simply badass character.
It was great to get a retrospective on this, I dropped it early in Season 3 because of how rough 2 was compared to 1. It's good to know that I wasn't missing much seeing how bad the fourth season was.
Have to disagree, Ruth did a good job. But I absolutely hate her portrayals of tulip. Just to much childishness ignorance. I couldn't stand it. She pushed way to hard in many many scenes. It just came off unlikeable to be. I'm sure Ruth did other great shows but I didn't like her in preacher. She annoyed 😠 the piss out of me.
@@hulkimania yeah, you have a valid point. As I not as familiar with Preacher lore I don’t know what to compare her with. For me there are actors I like or dislike. Purely arbitrary. My daughter loves Nicholas Cage and I think he’s a horrible actor. Same with many others. There is no accounting for personal taste. Oh well.
I miss Preacher so much. I wish it had continued. I think the different seasons pacing was deliberate as it could not have continued at the level of season 1. Being from an older generation that watched "American Gothic" I was quite happy for sub plots to evolve that did not serve the main story ark. I loved the Preacher comics when they came out and at no point was I disappointed with the show. Big respect to all the actors who worked on the show - you really captured the spirit :).
Season 2 made me forget the show was a thing then I came into the middle of season 3 and stuck with it. I haven't watched this video yet I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. On top of herr starr being the best.
I stopped watching after season 3. I may watch it, but have heard not so good things about it.. Plus the Jesse, Tulip and Cas were always separated.. Which is why I loved the show.. Was the three of them together.. It was okay to have side eps.. where they go off on their own. But half the season they were always apart... I didn't like that at all.
@@jamillajohnson6108 yeah honestly once God revealed himself and all the mystery was answered it just went to shit. Which sucks because it was such a great show
@@francisoffilth7953 The hardest thing for writers to do is create a GOD character compelling enough to reach that hype, due to the omni presence.. If you can't write GOD... Just leave it be as a figment/ elusive being.... The ending of the show should have been to finally reach GOD and him/her be something completely different than how everyone who has come across GOD perceived him/her to be... That way when the audience, Jesse, Tulip and Cas finally met him/her... We all have this idea in our head... That's ALL WRONG. Very few shows get the GOD character right and my favorite writing of a GOD character is Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the character of Glory... A GOD stuck in a human body as it's prison.. Only being able to show her true self for short periods of time.. That was great writing on a character of that magnitude while showing a weakness to them... In Preacher maybe, had they used an actual dog shown in every single ep randomly as all hell breaks loose around it and our main guys.. Then at the end we see this same dog and poof it's GOD all along... So many things could have been done.. I just didn't like the constant separation of the main characters that was my biggest issue... They dropped the character driven plot lines to fill with action back drops... While a lot of people didn't like season 2. I LOVED it.. The season was more contained without being contained... Taking place in Denis's apartment in N.O. which is wild in itself... Side ep's that derailed you, but always circling back around to the three of them..
i love your content and the fact you focus on so many genres of shows. you should consider making a video ab shameless i’ve never seen a video ab that show. keep up the good work tho frfr
Starr is one of the best villains ever, in any popculture. Determined to achieve whatever he plans, can improvise in need, but his lacks of hand to hand skills bites him in the ass few times. And yeah, AMC Preacher is like alternate story, muddled with boring characters, side quests, main trio dynamic is nothing like in the original. How can you take Ennis story and fuck up it so hard?
Thank you for these great videos. Would love to see the original Quantum Leap and Twin Peaks done. And my fav scene from preacher was when the jesus clones escape.
Wooo hooo!! Seeing you’ve uploaded a new series reflection is one of the best news I see all week! Only watched the first season of this show…curious to see what your take is!
"... And 'Fear The Walking Dead', an obvious prequel to 'Mad Men'..." It was at that moment that he earned my sub, like and click on that lame notification bell. Great job, big homie. You win!
Brilliant video, I watched first season of Preacher and really liked it but lost interest in S2 and never finished it. So glad to hear that it had an ending. Also so cool I was your 777th like hehe… 😆
Thanks for reminding me how insane season 3 was. All I remember from when I watched it first run was 1) The farm and 2) Saint of Killers shooting Satan. Forgot there was bus loads of madness going on in that season. Thanks.
What ruined the soul stealing thing for me is it wasn't some crazy new supernatural thing Jesse found out. He seemed to already know about it, how it worked, etc. So he literally knew immortal souls were 100% real before the first season and had apparently known people who have traded in them. It was so, so, so jarring.
Fairly similar to my own journey through the series. Really enjoyed the first season, the momentum of which carried me through the second season (which had enough good moments to keep me going), then I got bogged down in the third season and stopped watching halfway through. After the final season dropped, I picked up where I left off and had a blast, culminating in a final season which worked just enough to keep me watching to the end. In the end, enough cool stuff to have me semi-recommend it to other people, but falling well short of a proper recommendation.
Wow, this was well timed. I recently went back and rewatched/continued to watch Preacher (mostly because I wanted to watch Joseph Gilgun act and be hot), but I agree. Season 2 has such a strong start, but ended up being so frustrating for a lot of reasons, mostly the drama and infighting between the main trio was what annoyed me. I can take aimless plot as long as Jesse, Cass, and Tulip seem to be having fun or enjoying each others company but they WEREN’T. It honestly had me wondering why they were even friends (especially between Cass and Jesse). I understand drama and conflict are the meat and shit of stories but I found Jesse such an unbearable ass in the second season that I was lowkey rooting for his downfall. I think this is why I enjoyed the entirety of season 3, even the start since he was nerfed and actually acted as if he cared about Cass and Tulip’s well being. I ended up only watching the beginning of season 4 before completely losing steam and dropping the show, but overall I’m still glad I went back and continued it from season 1 (even if it’s not the same). Thankyou for another great vid!
I was really glad to see an adaptation of Preacher, but out of all of Garth Ennis' work, the one with the most potential (I would have thought) would be "Hitman". If DC were to adapt Hitman, they could incorporate any of the many crossover plots with other, established DC characters. I know there's a Justice League story arc, but Hitman has so many peripheral DC characters in and and out of the plot, that would be a better way to go. Baytor, Etrigan, John Constantine, and the sublime Section Eight. The animated Harley Quinn has already begun drinking at Noonans Bar.
Glad I found a channel like this! Loved Preacher to death. Had some issues with it but overall one of the better comic book adaptations IMO. Pennyworth: Full Series Retrospective next? Since the show was sadly and prematurely cancelled after Season 3's cliffhanger?
I finally got around to finishing Preacher after that S2 mid-season hiatus and I'm so glad I did! This kind of absurd dark comedy is hilarious to me. The first Humperdoo reveal had me laughing so hard and then I started worrying he might smite me for laughing at his expense. LOL Herr Starr is peak comedy for me. I was happy he survived like a cartoon character doing depraved shit to keep moving forward, lol. And let's not forget that hilarious fight to the death with Jesus and Hitler. And the last moment with Cassidy and Jesse and Tulip's daughter was pretty beautiful. I assume Cass was planning on dying to be with his friends. I hope it happened that way. Is the show perfect? Definitely no. But was a fun ass ride.
I think you missed a big point, gods doomsday plot was not foiled, the plot was to get jesse to love him at the alamo, every failure to that moment was part of the plan. (*you see the alamo in his trailer when Tulip found it, the ending where Jesse got the self confidence to tell god no was the surprise god did not expect. the fact the alamo and the trailer were among the rest of the "plan" models conveys this)
This is now the third time I've watched the first 10 minutes of one of your retrospectives, paused it, binged the entirety of the show you're covering, then finished the rest of the video. You're doing the lord's work Slip
I'm more familiar with the comic so it's interesting to see how the show changed things up things. Sad that it seems my favorite one-off didn't make it: Johnny Lee Wombat.
NASA should have let him in, I watched the show first so reading the comic made me sad angelville was only a season arc bc of how big of a deal it was in the comics.
Thank you for leaving out Eugne's ending it was pretty dumb to be honest! and added nothing to the show this really was one of the strangest series I've ever watched and damn. The Sanit of Killers was way too OP and it felt like nothing should've been able to stop him.
He was like that in the comic as well, it was just better written and presented. They don't need to trap him in the original, they negotiate with him bc he isn't really a villian there.
In the comics Eugene becomes a rock star still as arseface, I’d like to think if the show had one more season he’d become an indie rocker, maybe he would have an awful podcast
Preacher has the same problem as most adaptations, instead of following the story already put forth they start making up their own stuff and get lost. It was mostly an okay watch but it could've been so much better.
In my opinion, Preacher is probably one of the best comic books of all time. It’s a house of cards of various characters and plot lines that add up to a climactic ending that will break your heart. One of the coolest aspects is you have no idea what it’s really all about until it jumps up and emotionally gut-punches you during the final pages. The idea that a bunch of TV writers thought they could improve upon it is laughable at best and infuriating at worst. I turned it off after two episodes when I realized they were going to completely fuck-up adapting one of the best comics I’ve ever read. And now it’ll probably never be done properly. And a bunch of people who never read the book will think that THAT garbage is Preacher. Good job fellas. All I can hope is it leads some people back to the book. I know I sound like one of those insufferable types who pooh-pooh any diversion from source material, but I’m really not. I love zany new takes on established characters and I recognize when it’s a good idea to switch things up like in the case of The Walking Dead. But Preacher is not that. It’s an intricate novel of a comic book, and required no updating, no changes. The arrogance of those who chose to do so is matched by their apparent laziness and inability to justify the endless changes they made.
22:20 Dude... They didn't misrepresent Hitler out of ignorance, they did it because it's the completely over-the-top deranged humor of the show.
I think S1 of Preacher is a testament to respecting the source material when adapting it. And I never in a million years would have thought Herr Star or Humperdoo or even just Arseface would have ever been seen on tv. I applaud their willingness to commit to the absolute insanity the comics came up with.
It was a great mix of being familiar yet different. To make such massive changes to the source material, and be able to make most of the core fans happy is really a testament to how good the writing and execution was.
@@DoBap_ And I am hard to please with comic adaptations. I've become more easy-going over the last couple of decades (I had to! Marvel does almost nothing BUT miss the mark - Punisher: Warzone, you know I'm not talking about you, put that shotgun down). I was harder to please on Preacher (until that amputation of Herr Star which was complained about; I had been antsy out loud to friends, doubting they'd even touch that arc at all, then OMG THEY KINDA DID IT. I still knew they'd never do a comic-accurate God though) than I was when The Boys arrived; there was a level of trust I found in Seth's and Evan's treatment of Preacher.
"Oh! They *GET* Garth Ennis!! They just gotta maneuver to get his iller stuff on TV!"
Lexi Alexander GETS Garth Ennis (Punisher: Warzone). Jonathan Hensleigh (The Punisher) does NOT get Garth Ennis although he had a fucking Ennis Plot Arc and characters.
Humperdoo was arguably improved in the show.
@@AxeMan808thanks for your comment here! I just started binging Preacher season 1, and decided to also order Absolute Preacher Vol 1 (I think that’s issues 1 through 25/26?). I have been curious if reading the original is gonna make the show unwatchable haha, or if it’ll still be a fun watch, even if different or at times not as faithful.
Unrelated to Ennis but re: comic-movie adaptations (also, entirely just my opinion here, disclaimer lol), I saw V for Vendetta in theaters, so 2005 (… wow haha so long ago). My friends and I were all 18 or 19, so the violence, surface level anarchist ideas (though FAR less deep in the movie as it turned out), and general weirdness compared to superheros and comics we had seen before that made us all love it when we left the theater.
But I had 1 buddy who had read the graphic novel before, and he wasn’t into the movie. He tried explaining how it left out some of the most important stuff, edited down scenes and elements that really mattered, and sort of missed and dumbed down the actual sociopolitical commentary of the novel, but really just told me to just buy the novel haha. I did, and despite my desire to love the movie, I understood his perspective and couldn’t get past it, as I now LOVED the source material 😂. I can still watch the movie and have fun with it for the kind of nostalgia vibe, just reminding me of that time and my friends, but it totally lost the impact I once thought it had. Vs. the graphic novel, which still blows me away when I read it. I got so into the comic… I wound up learning the entire song that is in it (it has actual sheet music in the comic, haha), and trying to use it for a beat 😅.
s1 was so good but to me it went increasingly more off the rails with each season
I’m shocked how much I like herr Starr
Herr Starr was so funny. Kinda outshines almost every other character.
Yeah, but his shrugging off indignities doesn't hold a star to the graphic novel version.
Honestly comic herr star I’m glad is dead. While tv herr star I’m glad had a happy ending
yes. but Ruth Negga is wonderful. Irish vampire and redneck preacher aren't bad either. :P
Most of the casting on this show was fantastic but Herr Starr was perfection.
Pip Torrens really saved the series for me. I was 2 episodes into season 3 and realized that I had come to hate the 3 main characters as childish, impulsive, arrogant, and inconsistent. Waiting for the Starr, Eugene, and David Hilter scenes kept me going.
You just reminded me that because The Boys is his most popular adaptation, most people will never know that Garth Ennis has written VASTLY better comics. And now I'm sad.
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Its annoying, lately all I see when people talk about Ennis is how edgy and mean spirited he is and sure that's an element of his writing (especially in The Boys and Crossed (and I'd argue is kind of what you sign up for when you read past the first issue of those series)) but it doesn't embody Garth's collective body of work, the man is an incredible writer and one of the greats for a reason. It's like basing your entire opinion of Frank Miller's work on Holy Terror, an absolute disservice to the people as artists.
I also see the way he uses that kind of material as schlocky and pulpy, it's in good fun, not the kind of edginess you get out of something like The Funnies.
@Ryan La croix Horsecock is my favorite character in any comic.
the Boys TV show is a vastly better Boys story then the comic is tbh
Not as sad as Ennis is since no one reads the military comics he's super proud of but its his superhero stuff that blew up
One of the biggest flaws of this series imo is that Cassidy never fully repairs his relationship with Jesse. The friendship between the three protagonists was a huge strength and I love that Season 2 starts out just as 3 pals on a road trip. It's so sad that it's basically stated that Cassidy never saw Jesse and Tulip afterwards and only showed up when they both died.
@jabron destoroyah L take, masterpiece is being extraordinarily generous
@jabron destoroyah what the hell is wrong with you
@Ben Cooper oh I agree, this guy just keeps calling me slurs and viciously insulting me only to delete his comments like 5 seconds later.
@bencooper7328 he never said or implied the book was bad. Where did this comment even come from? Definitely wasn't your brain
Yeah it was a bit at odds that he tosses his umbrella to burn in the sun and be dead with them.
I don't know why this is the only video on UA-cam talking about Preacher. Finally got around to finishing it, such a great show
How does no one mention that the punch line of the entire show is just "Jesus tap dancing Christ"
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more like jesus's severely mentally retarded tap dancing decendant
Superb summation!
This is honestly becoming one of my favorite channels. Keep up the great content.
The balls of this show to introduce a whole towns worth of characters only to kill them all at the end of the first season is insane
I do like the side plots when they get fun, the uptown girl fight is 10/10 and Eugene becoming friends with Hitler
Season 3 might have to be my favourite, teasing his family and the new characters introduced are amazing. Grandma is so good as a villain
Guess they feared preacher can be get cancelled and this could be a nice wrap up on a cliffhanger
Herr Starr is so ludicrous I just laughed non-stop.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE COMICS as the plot is different enough it is entertaining all over again.
I've never read the comic. Maybe I will now.
Different ENOUGH? The comic is COMPLETELY different. Much more entertaining and focused. Fantastic backstory and such a killer premise!
"In what world is a woman obeying a man considered a super power?"
Yesssss let's gooooo
Now I just need a Black Sails retrospective and I can die happy
We need more people to preach the good word of Black Sails, I can only do so much on my own
Wow this is so wierd...I was just thinking the same thing
Yes please Mr retrospective man 🙏🙏
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YES! Nobody EVER talks about this show and my favorite channel just has!!!
I enjoyed this show, I binge watched it on streaming, it was fun, I gotta say Cassidy was my favorite character, he turned out being a completely different character than I thought he would be, you don’t imagine that the drug addicted hedonistic vampire would be the most reasonable member of the group but yet he is.
You should check out "misfits" (a quirky little superhero show out of the uk) if you like the actor. He shows up in season 3 and really steals the show. He plays a duplicate arctype, where he splits in to two versions of himself, one whos meek, and emotional and the other being brash and rude. Often playing off himself, his acting is top notch.
@@eansba88- misfits is so good, such a great show abt some very messy superhumans
Too bad it basically had nothing to do with the comics
@@idanthyrsus6887 i never read it, so I can judge it solely for what the show is.
@@eansba88- Check out Brassic while you're at it, the show's hilarious.
Funny thing that actors for Butcher and Preacher are almost lost twins.
What pisses me off about the use of power is, the comics perfectly uses the power and had no inconsistences
While the series keeps adding, removing and conveluting the rules
They could have simply ADAPTED THE BOOK and I will never understand the instinct not to do
@@matttriano Ego
@@ZackHeise Production notes from On High. "You can't show that." "You can't have her say that." "You can't have him say that." "They can't be together when that happens." etc etc etc.
One of the biggest flaws of this show. In comics the rules are laid out quickly. We know what kind of power Genesis gave to Jesse, or how Saint of Killers weapons work. They start toying with this ideas, write themselves into corner so they need to invent new stuff on the fly.
Thank you for covering this show. You hit the nail on the head when it came to the show's depreciating quality. Regardless, still a favorite show of mine when it was airing.
In the comics, the word of god doesnt just control people. It can literally cause phenomenon to occur simply by word of command. So sending someone to hell with a command is not out of the question
Can you give an example? I can't think of one at all.
Edit: actually I remember one. Jesse makes the henchmen at Angelville spontaneously combust
@@andrewdunn8778he send Eugene to hell
One of the weirdest shows in Terms of quality i ever watched. Thank u for covering it it's really overlooked
as someone that read (and loved) the comics, but only saw the pilot of the show, it sounds like the show got trapped in the swirl of uncertainty that is being a tv show on AMC.
If they'd known going in that they'd have 5 or 6 seasons, they could have fit a straight adaptation of the source material into that. But everything being up in the air until S3 (or even S4) made them reshuffle plotlines at the cost of necessary connective tissue.
Main example, Odin Quincannon didn't even show up as a character for the first 3 and a half years of the comic run.
S1 of Preacher is one of the best of the decade and so underrated.
Season 1 is great! Unfortunately it kinda goes downhill after that. Season 2 started great but kinda dragged, season 3 really started to lose me, and I didn’t really care for season 4 at all.
@@nickfitchner3218 Exactly Nick, spot on. But yeah szn1 was such a banger.
@@nickfitchner3218 s1 is he weakest, gtf0
Season 3 was the best. S2 had the best atmosphere. S1 was good but not as good as the otherd
I am so entertained right now, I have a bad headache and laughing is making it worse but i'm about to watch all your videos.
Thank you for this retrospective. I'm saved ... from hours of meandering boredom.
I've subscribed and liked, as all should do. Your work rocks!
I think Preacher sending Eugene to hell was more of an example of how powerful Genesis really is. When he did that, it was a moment of passion, and we know the power of Genesis can be so much more if developed over time, when Jesse is force tossing God like a sack of potatoes. Unfortunately, they never really dive into what Jesse could do beyond using the word, until the end.
Just imagine if we got a good faithful to source material version of the story.
I know, right?
While it would have undoubtedly been better than what we got, I certainly don't think the comics are some sacred cow never to be altered. There's tons of poorly aged stuff in it that was of its time, pacing issues and the story kind of meandering around. The series has an excellent core and cast, but for the best adaptation you'd need to streamline and trim the fat by a *lot*.
I made it all the way to the guy who deafened himself. The "WHAT" killed me. And also convinced me to go watch the show first before I watch this video. Thanks for that
Some would argue Punisher Max was Ennis’ second most popular comic series, not The Boys. While not a character he created, it’s definitely one that he ended up being the defining writer for.
My favorite series.
@@liverpools Same boat here. His run on that is flawless, though I can’t say the same for when Aarons took over.
Punisher: MAX is canon Frank Castle. AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE.
I like both of his punisher runs I like the darkness of Max and I like the fun of him getting a polar bear to kill a mob guy that’s chasing him in knights
He's one of the few writers who understand that Punisher *isn't supposed to be Batman with guns.*
100% with you.
Was a pretty big fan of s1
Lost interest in s2
Gained it again in s3
And s4 was just a huge mess.
A shame they did not capture the magic of s1 again
i'm in the same boat, i adore seasons one and three, two is fine but not as engaging even though i do really like the grail characters, and i have completely repressed season four because of how disappointing it was.
Season 3 Angelville. One of the best.
After a great first season I had a similar falling out with Preacher in season two, before a reluctant grind to the finish when season three came out. It sounds like you had a similar watching experience, so it was great to see you articulate why the viewership went down in season two.
Just saw Anna Torv in the Last of Us premiere and reminded me that I’d love to see a Fringe retrospective! One of my all time favorite series til it fell off in the last season or two.
I don't know why I bailed (maybe I quickly got tired of the Saint of Killers?) but one scene where the three angels were fighting each other and each time, one was killed, they 'were reborn' in a new body, while the old corpses just piled up--it was strangely hilarious in a three stooges/it's a mad mad mad mad world kind of way.
I bailed after season two and I have no regrets. This video didn't make me want to go back.
"Fringe" was awesome! I came to it when I was searching around for a series waiting for "Mindhunter"' 3rd season. I told Olshaker, Mindhunter's co-creator, not to wait for David Fincher. That was the reason for the show's hiatus. The creators wanted to wait for the series director, Fincher to be freed up from filming. I warned them waiting too long for one director would tank the show. That's exactly what happened. Anna Torv was great in that series, as well.
I'm a little late to the party, but I just wanted to say that your videos have all been wonderfully made. There is so much Fantastical wordplay that I can't get over. That I don't want to get over, and I won't! Thank you for doing what you do!❤
They did do a great job bringing the characters to life, especially tulip and cassidy.
As someone who never saw the show but read all of the comic, it sounds like it's actually a pretty good adaptation, and you might be giving the TV writers both too much credit and blame. Because the comic also starts out very strong, then meanders around and struggles to find new highs, occasionally does so, occasionally misses, and then just sort of ends (though it treats Cassidy better in the end from the sound of things).
Well, not to spoil the series at the end. Cassidy did not get a really good happy ending.😢
@@mr.icannot5641 Yeah he does. He's essentially given a fresh start after all the pain and misery he's inflicted on literally everyone around him except maybe his first circle of friends. Cassidy screws everyone, willingly or not, but gets de-vampirised and a blank slate. That's more than anyone who has his history could ask for.
@@thebuddhasmiles no, in this series real action series, he died by committed suicide
@@mr.icannot5641 oh okay. My bad
Exactly this. I loved the comic to be sure, but as much as I did, it's a goddamn slog sometimes. All things considered, I think the show did a better job, over all. Opinions and assholes though. The things I missed most from the comics were the shorter side stories that helped develop character, but on the tails end of that coin, I don't feel that including them in the show would have helped at all. For what it's worth though, its a genuinely great adaptation. I think if people these days could remember how SHIT comic movies and shows used to be, the wouldn't be so quick to judge a single weak season as harshly as they do. Even at its worst, it was STILL better than most of what was around at the time by a pretty large margin.
I love this show and do not understand how I have not met a single person who's seen it. I even got season 2 an 3 on DvD in a discount bin! More people need to see it. Good vid mate.
Did you see the JESSIE And CASS Action figures? They look dope.
@@christisrisen6774 yo those are sick
thanks for the video bro, really appreciated it!
Thanks for your time and effort to piece this together.
I guess I made a right choice when I dropped it. Thanks for the video. It was very entertaining.
Awesome, now I can pretend to have seen a show without seeing the show.
I love your videos! Gonna suggest Mr Robot again because I need another one of your videos to watch over and over, and that’s my favourite show
Hello friend
my man, I dearly love the show, it went so balls to the walls, even some friends, who are usually not interestedin such shows gave it a shot. I'm highly anticipating what you have to say about it. This is my first encounter w/ your channel, hopefully it's not the last!
Preacher to me is like Heroes. The first season is the only one I need and the only one I watch
Awe I miss that show now
S2 is way better than S1 tho.
To be fair: the comics suffer from the same loss of pacing and story for suite 2 and arguably 3. Suspend your disbelief, ignore plotholes, and you'll be able to appreciate the full series. At the end of the day, it's entertainment and art. Opinion is valid because it's an opinion, but as a comic fan, I'm about to have my fiancee watch the show for the first time, and honestly, it's a good time still!
this show is just so absurd and stupid. I absolutely love it. binged almost the whole show in a week or two
I wouldnt say its a bad show, but I was pretty disappointed with how they re-wrote the trio's dynamic... it's the heart of the comic book. Just as a quick explanation : The BFF nature of Jesse and Cassidy is almost non-existent in the show, yeah he's there, but they never seem to agree or have fun together, in the book it's like a ''bro at first sight'' kind of situation because they agree on almost everything. Tulip and Jesse are supposed to be completely in love, Tulip may know Jesse is dangerous and unpredictable but that's also part of why she's falling for him over and over. Most of the time in the comics when Jesse and Tulip fight, it end up in sex. So when Cassidy starts falling in love with Tulip it's a huge drama moment, especially because he goes behind Jesse's back and Tulip doesn't entirely consent.. Which make Jesse's return intimadating and peak drama. In the show Tulip seems annoyed by Jesse (and she's right, he's such a push-over in the show)... The saint of killer was pretty cool but then again how the hell could you ruin him, he's such a simply badass character.
Preacher is one of the best series ever.
Did you ever read the comic?
It was great to get a retrospective on this, I dropped it early in Season 3 because of how rough 2 was compared to 1. It's good to know that I wasn't missing much seeing how bad the fourth season was.
Ruth Negga is absolutely incredible. I’m hoping she will do more movies and get numerous awards.
Up the Irish🇮🇪
Ayo that name. do people get sued when they say her name?
Have to disagree, Ruth did a good job. But I absolutely hate her portrayals of tulip. Just to much childishness ignorance. I couldn't stand it. She pushed way to hard in many many scenes. It just came off unlikeable to be. I'm sure Ruth did other great shows but I didn't like her in preacher. She annoyed 😠 the piss out of me.
@@hulkimania yeah, you have a valid point. As I not as familiar with Preacher lore I don’t know what to compare her with. For me there are actors I like or dislike. Purely arbitrary. My daughter loves Nicholas Cage and I think he’s a horrible actor. Same with many others. There is no accounting for personal taste. Oh well.
@hulkimania
Agree. Hated her. Almost put me off watching the show entirely, she was such a ridiculous character to me. The one bad part.
I miss Preacher so much. I wish it had continued. I think the different seasons pacing was deliberate as it could not have continued at the level of season 1. Being from an older generation that watched "American Gothic" I was quite happy for sub plots to evolve that did not serve the main story ark. I loved the Preacher comics when they came out and at no point was I disappointed with the show. Big respect to all the actors who worked on the show - you really captured the spirit :).
Season 2 made me forget the show was a thing then I came into the middle of season 3 and stuck with it. I haven't watched this video yet I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. On top of herr starr being the best.
Everything about this, Yess! just yes! Awesome job on this, fully agreed on everything!
Preachers first season is seriously one of my favorite shows ever. The ending was so unsatisfying that it makes it hard to watch again
I stopped watching after season 3. I may watch it, but have heard not so good things about it.. Plus the Jesse, Tulip and Cas were always separated.. Which is why I loved the show.. Was the three of them together..
It was okay to have side eps.. where they go off on their own. But half the season they were always apart... I didn't like that at all.
@@jamillajohnson6108 yeah honestly once God revealed himself and all the mystery was answered it just went to shit. Which sucks because it was such a great show
@@francisoffilth7953 The hardest thing for writers to do is create a GOD character compelling enough to reach that hype, due to the omni presence.. If you can't write GOD... Just leave it be as a figment/ elusive being....
The ending of the show should have been to finally reach GOD and him/her be something completely different than how everyone who has come across GOD perceived him/her to be... That way when the audience, Jesse, Tulip and Cas finally met him/her... We all have this idea in our head... That's ALL WRONG.
Very few shows get the GOD character right and my favorite writing of a GOD character is Buffy the Vampire Slayer and the character of Glory... A GOD stuck in a human body as it's prison.. Only being able to show her true self for short periods of time.. That was great writing on a character of that magnitude while showing a weakness to them...
In Preacher maybe, had they used an actual dog shown in every single ep randomly as all hell breaks loose around it and our main guys.. Then at the end we see this same dog and poof it's GOD all along... So many things could have been done..
I just didn't like the constant separation of the main characters that was my biggest issue... They dropped the character driven plot lines to fill with action back drops... While a lot of people didn't like season 2. I LOVED it.. The season was more contained without being contained... Taking place in Denis's apartment in N.O. which is wild in itself... Side ep's that derailed you, but always circling back around to the three of them..
grats on finishing another vid king.
I just finished watching it and i loved it. I love that it was all over the place
Bro, I love your channel and your content. You should feel very proud of yourself
Watching the last 10 minutes of this video makes me think I didn't actually finish Preacher 😂
That's mad!
i love your content and the fact you focus on so many genres of shows. you should consider making a video ab shameless i’ve never seen a video ab that show. keep up the good work tho frfr
I missed the last 2 seasons so this helped round it all out. I loved this show even with all the missteps outlined here
Read the comic. Completely different plot line that explores the concept way better. And Starr and Featherstone are still the best.
Starr is one of the best villains ever, in any popculture. Determined to achieve whatever he plans, can improvise in need, but his lacks of hand to hand skills bites him in the ass few times. And yeah, AMC Preacher is like alternate story, muddled with boring characters, side quests, main trio dynamic is nothing like in the original. How can you take Ennis story and fuck up it so hard?
Season 2 just lost me, I remember just not picking it up again when season 3 started.
The Venture Bro's audio drop. thanks editor!
Thank you for these great videos. Would love to see the original Quantum Leap and Twin Peaks done. And my fav scene from preacher was when the jesus clones escape.
Wooo hooo!! Seeing you’ve uploaded a new series reflection is one of the best news I see all week! Only watched the first season of this show…curious to see what your take is!
What a glorious show this was ❤
love this channel thank you
The comic series is SOOOO much better. I actually stopped watching the show when I picked up the comics and never turned back lol
53:11 The reason is simple: Jesus tap-dancing christ.
I loved this weird show. I own some of the comics as well.
"... And 'Fear The Walking Dead', an obvious prequel to 'Mad Men'..."
It was at that moment that he earned my sub, like and click on that lame notification bell. Great job, big homie. You win!
Brilliant video, I watched first season of Preacher and really liked it but lost interest in S2 and never finished it. So glad to hear that it had an ending. Also so cool I was your 777th like hehe… 😆
Binged the watched this whole series over a month… now I’m sad ❤
Give me more Full Series Retrospectives!!!!!
I NEED MOAR
Herr starrs resolution was a great one
This channels so goddamn good man
Thanks for reminding me how insane season 3 was. All I remember from when I watched it first run was 1) The farm and 2) Saint of Killers shooting Satan. Forgot there was bus loads of madness going on in that season. Thanks.
I forgot how good the bad guys were!
The show wasn't amazing, but I'll always see Dominique Cooper as Jesse Custer.
I was genuinely looking forward to this when I saw you post it was your next retrospective. You're amazing
What ruined the soul stealing thing for me is it wasn't some crazy new supernatural thing Jesse found out.
He seemed to already know about it, how it worked, etc. So he literally knew immortal souls were 100% real before the first season and had apparently known people who have traded in them. It was so, so, so jarring.
23:20 You NEED to do a thing on the Venture bros after that stunt you pulled.
I do love how the god is the most generic looking, God, the white beard and stuff.
If Preacher was edited down to be 1/3 it’s current length, I think it would have been a huge hit.
Fairly similar to my own journey through the series. Really enjoyed the first season, the momentum of which carried me through the second season (which had enough good moments to keep me going), then I got bogged down in the third season and stopped watching halfway through. After the final season dropped, I picked up where I left off and had a blast, culminating in a final season which worked just enough to keep me watching to the end.
In the end, enough cool stuff to have me semi-recommend it to other people, but falling well short of a proper recommendation.
lol, I forgot about the great visual pun of Jesus Tapdancing Christ.
Wow, this was well timed. I recently went back and rewatched/continued to watch Preacher (mostly because I wanted to watch Joseph Gilgun act and be hot), but I agree. Season 2 has such a strong start, but ended up being so frustrating for a lot of reasons, mostly the drama and infighting between the main trio was what annoyed me. I can take aimless plot as long as Jesse, Cass, and Tulip seem to be having fun or enjoying each others company but they WEREN’T. It honestly had me wondering why they were even friends (especially between Cass and Jesse). I understand drama and conflict are the meat and shit of stories but I found Jesse such an unbearable ass in the second season that I was lowkey rooting for his downfall. I think this is why I enjoyed the entirety of season 3, even the start since he was nerfed and actually acted as if he cared about Cass and Tulip’s well being. I ended up only watching the beginning of season 4 before completely losing steam and dropping the show, but overall I’m still glad I went back and continued it from season 1 (even if it’s not the same). Thankyou for another great vid!
10:46 I always thought that when preacher left the town he was the last good person there so God wiped it off the plant like solem
I was really glad to see an adaptation of Preacher, but out of all of Garth Ennis' work, the one with the most potential (I would have thought) would be "Hitman". If DC were to adapt Hitman, they could incorporate any of the many crossover plots with other, established DC characters. I know there's a Justice League story arc, but Hitman has so many peripheral DC characters in and and out of the plot, that would be a better way to go. Baytor, Etrigan, John Constantine, and the sublime Section Eight. The animated Harley Quinn has already begun drinking at Noonans Bar.
Glad I found a channel like this! Loved Preacher to death. Had some issues with it but overall one of the better comic book adaptations IMO.
Pennyworth: Full Series Retrospective next? Since the show was sadly and prematurely cancelled after Season 3's cliffhanger?
what if we all have the ability to teleport to hell, we just lie to ourselfs?
I finally got around to finishing Preacher after that S2 mid-season hiatus and I'm so glad I did! This kind of absurd dark comedy is hilarious to me.
The first Humperdoo reveal had me laughing so hard and then I started worrying he might smite me for laughing at his expense. LOL
Herr Starr is peak comedy for me. I was happy he survived like a cartoon character doing depraved shit to keep moving forward, lol. And let's not forget that hilarious fight to the death with Jesus and Hitler.
And the last moment with Cassidy and Jesse and Tulip's daughter was pretty beautiful. I assume Cass was planning on dying to be with his friends. I hope it happened that way.
Is the show perfect? Definitely no. But was a fun ass ride.
Humperdoo is the greatest character ever put to television
That Starr/allfather song was brilliant.
Hoping to see you channel grow an prosper as you make vidoes as excellent as you have been!
I don't know how you could mess up a can't miss project like Preacher, but damned if AMC and Seth Rogan didn't figure it out.
I think you missed a big point, gods doomsday plot was not foiled, the plot was to get jesse to love him at the alamo, every failure to that moment was part of the plan.
(*you see the alamo in his trailer when Tulip found it, the ending where Jesse got the self confidence to tell god no was the surprise god did not expect. the fact the alamo and the trailer were among the rest of the "plan" models conveys this)
This is now the third time I've watched the first 10 minutes of one of your retrospectives, paused it, binged the entirety of the show you're covering, then finished the rest of the video. You're doing the lord's work Slip
God damnit
I'm more familiar with the comic so it's interesting to see how the show changed things up things. Sad that it seems my favorite one-off didn't make it: Johnny Lee Wombat.
NASA should have let him in, I watched the show first so reading the comic made me sad angelville was only a season arc bc of how big of a deal it was in the comics.
Thank you for leaving out Eugne's ending it was pretty dumb to be honest! and added nothing to the show this really was one of the strangest series I've ever watched and damn. The Sanit of Killers was way too OP and it felt like nothing should've been able to stop him.
He was like that in the comic as well, it was just better written and presented. They don't need to trap him in the original, they negotiate with him bc he isn't really a villian there.
In the comics Eugene becomes a rock star still as arseface, I’d like to think if the show had one more season he’d become an indie rocker, maybe he would have an awful podcast
41:43 Ah, a man of culture
you are very good at what you do. but clearly , this show is exhausting. wonderful premise. awful execution. Love your work.
Preacher has the same problem as most adaptations, instead of following the story already put forth they start making up their own stuff and get lost. It was mostly an okay watch but it could've been so much better.
This show had so much potential but I could never watch it after season 1
It is like David Lynch, the Cohen brothers, and Tarantino collaborated on this project. It is an insane masterpiece.
In my opinion, Preacher is probably one of the best comic books of all time. It’s a house of cards of various characters and plot lines that add up to a climactic ending that will break your heart. One of the coolest aspects is you have no idea what it’s really all about until it jumps up and emotionally gut-punches you during the final pages.
The idea that a bunch of TV writers thought they could improve upon it is laughable at best and infuriating at worst. I turned it off after two episodes when I realized they were going to completely fuck-up adapting one of the best comics I’ve ever read. And now it’ll probably never be done properly. And a bunch of people who never read the book will think that THAT garbage is Preacher. Good job fellas. All I can hope is it leads some people back to the book.
I know I sound like one of those insufferable types who pooh-pooh any diversion from source material, but I’m really not. I love zany new takes on established characters and I recognize when it’s a good idea to switch things up like in the case of The Walking Dead. But Preacher is not that. It’s an intricate novel of a comic book, and required no updating, no changes. The arrogance of those who chose to do so is matched by their apparent laziness and inability to justify the endless changes they made.
The venture bros reference didn't go a miss nice job