Pokemon should distribute a 6 iv ditto every year via internet and encourage breeding legit pokemon. And after that hackers shouldn't be given excuses..because everyone has an easy way to get good iv bred pokemon and there is no need to go for illegal methods.. unless they are stubborn or lazy to spend more time in the game ..
Getting 5 ivs in the right stats is extremely annoying. I've bred 200+ pokemon "legitimately" and I'm tired of it. It's boring and repetitive and ultimately pointless since you can do it so much easier. I got a 6 iv ditto and a couple of friends with hacking devices and I'm able to update my teams much easier. People who are actually good tend not to care about breeding.
Fishcabob The Pokémon Trainer Then just breed your pokemon and stop trying to get everyone to play like how you want to. Let other people do what they want to do.
+Vasid Disav Skill does not correlate with breeding, but I'm always down to play, but it depends on what ruleset you'd like to play in. I'm down for a vgc 16 game. I'm not a big fan of my ou team and have been planning on making a new one.
I know Verlisify is a bit obnoxious with the hacking hunting and what not, but there's no denying that he's right. The truth is in your faces whether you like it or not.
Being a jerk? He's just trying to stop someone from spreading misinformation. I'm with Versify on this one. Pokemon company makes the rules, we need to respect them, I don't know how many times he's had to iterate this, I'd be annoyed too if people kept saying it was legal. Listen, I don't care if you hack a mon to play with your friends, but don't bring them into a tournament/Use online play and expect to not be called out. Keep it to Bluetooth.
Sebastian Martinez the reason he deserves the "hate" is because he's spreading misinformation. Not because he did it. But because he's saying it's okay to do it.
Chances of such a Ditto are 1 in 29791. It's probably hacked, but Game Freak could seriously open up the breeding gates and legitimacy if they actually allowed Ditto to breed with itself.
Pokémon are saying hacking is illegal. Other people are saying it's not Yeah I am not gonna believe these people over the GUYS WHO MADE THE ACTUAL GAME
But but but. I has a life. I has no time to breed pogeymans for meself. I's too busy. I goes to college and I works out everydays and I makes good youtube content. I I I'll expose you and make video on you. You big meanie. - Poketubers which defend cheating
Have any of you heard of a thing called time management? That can help you go extra miles by balancing the amount of time you breed along with the rest of real life.
If someone used a illegitimately obtained pokemon to breed, how exactly would Game Freak check that? Outside of the pokeball or currently available moveset, Game Freak doesnt seem to have a way to trace the pokemon's lineage.
Sadly, all VGC stands for nowadays is 'Very Good Cheaters'. Just a competition where people hack and bring their legendaries/megas and compete to see who hacked the best sets. This is why I'll never be impressed with any 'VGC battles'. I dream of a day where Pokemon devises a way to block any sort of Genning or hacking. Then I would like to see these same 'top VGC players' try to play.
Benz Quizon Kudos to you. If only more people were like you, VGC wouldn't be in the rigid standard form it is now. And not saying that the whole VGC style are all hackers, as there is still a small fraction of players who I'm sure legitimately obtain their pokemon teams. Lord Wallace Hacked pokemon will unfortunately always be available through transfer and pokebank unless they find a way to patch this up.. very unlikely. But in the scenario that it does happen, your VGC players that you idolize so much, the ones that hack... good luck even seeing them make it to the competition with any sort of team. Without their shiny 6IV megas and legendaries, you won't see the usual bunch of players anywhere on the ladders or scene. Don't mean to burst your fantasy.
Lord Wallace But it does make a difference on the game, hacked or not. IVs are super important in the game. Because good luck getting a perfect IV legendary.. or even getting the right IVs in place if you legitimately soft reset. So tell me, how does hacking a perfect competitive legendary like this, give 'ZERO advantage'??? Answer that. Without hacking, no doubt that the same VGC crowd would be much more diminutive. There's a certain popular poketuber out there that I've called him out on not even knowing what the IV Judge is! Do you think, said people like this, is going to be battling competitively, without the means of hacking a team, anytime soon? I'm not saying ALL the top VGC players are like this, but you have to realize that there is a good portion of people who may have the skills, but not the dedication to legitimately obtain a team, or constantly alter it to adjust strategies. When I say, 'I'll never be impressed with any VGC battles', I mean I won't be impressed with VGC players who show off their skills but have hacked in order to do so. Because that is the equivalent of being impressed by a bodybuilder who uses steroids and illegal enhancers!
Lord Wallace In response to 1 & 3- Zero advantage in the context of a battle.. should BOTH parties have perfect IV teams. But not the case in REALITY. Because in reality, a legitimate player will not have that perfect stats team. Such as, they will bring optimal stats on their legendary pokemon, but not perfect. And I understand it's up the competitors to meet the standards, but the reason why it will be a disadvantage- in reality, the player with legitimate team does not have perfect stats. Hacking isn't opening up accessibility and expanding competitive scene. If anything, it closes the doors and discourages players who play by the rules. It has gotten to the point where now, if you don't have the usual hacked team consisting of one Mega and several perfect legendaries, you're done. Remember a while back when Pachirisu was used in the finals? You'll never see this today. Hacking is part of the reason why all you see are the same VGC pokemon over and over on every team. Why train a regular cool pokemon when now you must hack a perfect legendary pokemon to play VGC? It creates a very rigid play standard. I can tell we will never come to an agreement, so we should just agree to disagree.
#MakePokemonGreatAgain I dont own a DS yet! but when i play pokemon ill just catch them legitamelty and improve their EVs as i dont care about IVs! I just dont like People Using Hacked Mons If the Upper Part of VGC is full of hackers, i hope someday some Non Hackers beat them in competitive play! aslo your Pic is Great! #YungoosTrump
Personally I like the fact that you don't use hacked Pokémon, I like the fact that you are proud of it. But I also think this witch hunt has got to stop, if the Pokémon are hacked but technically possible then sure, frown upon them but that's about it, the holier than thou part of this video about being a top VGC player and therefore having to use non-hacked Pokémon was just disappointing to me.
Why? Do you think it's acceptable for a high-esteem member of a community to take an advantage over the people who idolize him, not only sending the wrong message but instead of simply saying it was the last time, attempting to lie and counterattack again? I think shutting up and accepting is what is slowly rotting this world away, be it a political debate or a kid's game. To me it's incomprehensible how anyone could accept this....
+Yamidoragon because it's not like hacking necessarily breaks the game, if it is done to save on hours of breeding is not the same as doing it to create impossible stats, moves or abilities. An argument could be made about the Dream Ball but honestly it doesn't affect the competition. Tbh it's this kind of black and white binary thinking that is rotting the world away, trying to pass laziness to analyze specific cases to determine if it is wrong or right as a moral standpoint when it's really just an easy way to avoid thinking about what the actual issue is, because why bother when you can dismiss things automatically with no analysis or second thoughts whatsoever, right?
Santiago Echecopar Frisancho There is nothing to analyze. :D A person who does not hack and breeds every pokemon legitly will never have the array of pokemon so quickly at his/her disposal as a hacker who is one click away. You will never be able to adapt to a meta that will change faster than it should be able to anyways, giving you a strong competitive backlash. :D Apparently you know nothing of the subject you are talking about, otherwise you would be just as frustrated as every hardcore player with competitive ambitions who refrains from cheating :D It's as simple as that.
cheating is for lazy people just like in real life, I mean cheating or hacking pokes I don't think is that big a deal if it was a single player game or something (it'd just be like a mod) but you shouldn't be doing it for competitive battling to gain advantages against other players which is just unacceptable. I have about 6\7 pokemon with 5ivs that I bred myself like a charmander, ferrothorn, hydreigon, scizor, swampert and one of 2 more I can't think of and that's it because yeah it's work but if I cheat then the game becomes too easy and unrewarding tbh
I can't breed hacked parents? Watch me... But seriously, stop with all the hacker hate. Hackers will never stop hacking no matter what you say, and listening to all of these anti-hacking rants just makes me want to hack even more.
i really think pokemon should make something so genning is impossible, i really like to hunt shinies. why would i do this when people just hack in that shiny pokemon?! it's just so unfair
+Green Hocker oh I didn't mean to be mean to him if you are talking to me?! I was just trying to make a pun because I saw the perfect timing so I took it. Not meant to offend...just a pun.
My question is: how does it actually affect your life? Why the need to hate something? Does that energy you use to feel and express this "hate" actually amount to time well-spent? Did your overly-hairy uncle touch you in a bad way or something?
You realise you just made thousands of people scared of using pokemon they got by breeding right? Way to go Verlisify. People who may have gotton 6iv's ditto's from their friends might now be scared that all their hours of breeding their Pokemon was for nothing. Good job...
GTS had been dead for years by now so not to sad about that. The thing for me is that people shouldn't have to worry about them breeding the Pokemon that they without needing to be scared of a possible fake parent.
If the parents are hacked, they are illegal and illegitimate. If those parents breed and the offspring does not have any funny business, it's legal and legit. Why? Because the game generated the egg(s) and the egg(s) doesn't/don't have anything illegal or illegitimate aspects about it.
This makes basically all of my pokemon illegal... I received a ditto over wonder trade and used it to breed the majority of my living dex. I later found out it was 6iv. I mean, I feel like there should be a line... Tbf though... they're just straight first egg pokemon without items xD so any perfect offspring would be pure coincidence.
Almighty Keys Oh no, I agree! I think mine are legal and I think Verlisify's black/white all hacked mons and their offspring shouldn't be used deal is silly. By his say, nearly all mine are illegal, but that's just silly, when there's nothing about them that are either illegal moves or even perfected stats.
I don't care whether or not Pokemon company agrees, I do not think it is a big deal to hack Pokemon if the stats and stuff are legal. There is nothing unfair about this.
how can the pokemon company even tell if there is a hacked parent or not? i have a 6iv hacked ditto i got off wonder trade and i was just wanting to know how is it possible for them to know who the parents are? is it embedded in their coding or something? im confused ;/
TheTanDoctor Me? I prefer play on showdown because I don't like the hassles of breeding and training (time-consuming). However, I can understand the company wanting we trainers to actually make an effort (Because it's part of the experience, bla bla bla) to get a reward.
Yo Verlisify, what's with the negative attitudes? Recently I feel like you've gone out your way to attack other poketubers, I'm unsubscribe for a while until I can see you're being positive again! Come on dude!
What I want to see in Sun and Moon is an actual breeding system - not the archaic RNG placeholder that's been in game since G/S. Make getting competitive Pokemon an actual process instead of an RNG time sink.
If the Pokemon company doesn't enforce their own rules, then why should you? If the Pokemon company had a real issue with it then they would do something about it.
TheBanta: I can: It doesn´t. If it did, you people wouldn´t be hacking in the first place, right? Getting legit competitive pokémon takes a ton of time, dedication and effort; It´s a long ass grind. You have to catch all kinds of Ditto with all the Natures and IV´ss you need, including stuff like 0 speed and 30 IV´s for when you breed for Hidden Power. Catching all the required Ditto alone can take days of work, and then you also have to check each one you caught (of approximately 2-300 or so individuals) for their IV´s using IV calcs. Then, if you´re anything like me, you codename the ones that you want to keep so that you know its nature, and what 31 and 30s it has. Then you need all the EV training items and the Destiny Knot, and THEN you can start to think about the actual breeding process. It is a struggle that not many players will find the dedication to overcome, which is why so many people go straight into hacking. But Gamefreak intends for you to have to work that hard if you want top tier Pokémon. If you want to be the very best, like no one ever was, you´re supposed to work for it.
+steaktastebetterpill dude.....me you and all them other legit breeders..... WE GONNA BE THE TRUE POKEMON MASTERS FOR NOT HACKING. I SALUTE YOU MY FRIEND!
Sebastian Martinez not trying to be rude but the some people don't have time to breed thing doesn't work, it's a sad excuse for hackers. if they have time to play competitive they have time to breed :I yes it takes time but they need to play correctly.
TheBanta: I´m sorry, it seems I misunderstood your initial question. I´m still not sure I know exactly what you were asking. Did you want to know what I meant by "those legit hatched mons will soon pay off"? By that, I meant that, from the looks of things, hacked mons and their spawn will no longer be usable in online tournaments, whereas my legit mons still will. Then, I´ll feel like my time and effort paid off; that´s what I meant. If, on the other hand, you were trying to ask whether legit mons, and the ways in which you obtain them, have any kind of advantage compared to their hacked counterparts, which is how I initially interpreted it, the answer is no, because their stats will be the same at best, and the legit ones take way longer to obtain. Beyond that, your last little ad hominem there was uncalled for, but I do in fact work full time, and live by myself. My Pokémon Alpha Sapphire copy tells me I have somewhere between 6-700 hours of playtime, and 2400 or so hatched eggs. Every Ditto and miscellaneous monster used in that process I caught single-handedly. Work is not an excuse to hack your game through external devices, or receive monsters from others who did so. If you can´t fit grinding anywhere in your schedule, you (should) have no business participating in competitive Pokémon - especially not official tournaments. That´s how I feel about it.
a little hint to everyone, most hacked pokemon actually have a ribbon shows that it is hacked. I mean it is hard to tell if a pokemon that you get over trade had a hacked parent.
So Verlis wants trading removed from game because 1. It gives an unfair advantage in form of experience where players can go directly to practice battling instead of wasting time breeding. 2. You can never know if the traded pokemon is hacked, or even related to hacking, so you can't use the pokemon for anything anyway.
Is there any way to check if your pokemon is illigimate? Cause i have got some shineys and good stats pokemon in wondertrade? I have a Shiney Delphox and i got it form my brother who got it from a friend i traded my Ylvtal for it, abd I'm a bit suspiceus cause he keeps getting good pokemons from that person with out nay thing in return, they might get the wrong natures and or IV but still is there any way to check it? Cause I hate Cheating and i Dont want any Illigimate pokemons in any way, they have no wierd pokeballs all are normals ones or great balls, ultraballs or master balls (the Shineys).
Try entering the battlespot with them for starters. But if there was one universal way to get them tested this would not be an issue. It's easy to chain your own shinies now, just stick to that and don't accept pokemon from suspicious ppl. I traded away a shiny Rotom from Wondertrade just yesterday, if you don't wanna take the risk then just don't :D
***** You said: "I've made hundreds of trades for breedjects... Doesn't bother me if every single one of them was hacked, my Pokemon are legal." Thats what I'm talking about
SS4Inferno I'm not worried about getting catch or found out, its about my moral and ideals. I'm against all forms of cheating when it comes to video games and I dont want to have an unfair advantage or contribute with cheated pokemons ofspring when I wondertrade them or give to friends, thats pretty much what it is about. But ty for the information from all of you that have tried to anwer my Question. What I get from it is, that if its nothing supiscous, with ball, stats (EV's IV's) or abilities there is no real way of telling if they are legit or not and that is currently my case. So I Will just have to battle on with my pokemons or only use Pokemons i can Catch my self from Pokemon Y or Alpha Saphire casue thast the only real way you can tell if they dont come from skilled hacked pokemons or their offspring.
Pretty sure I'm banned from commenting, but by any minuscule chance you can read this Verlis: you're an intelligent person so you do know that calling him a cheater all the time because of using an impossible to obtain mon OUTSIDE of an official VGC tournament is kinda desperate for attention. You tried to cheat your way into fame by saying you went undefeated in a tourney too (private messages are ok to be shown in public) *wink wink* In your previous vids about cheating I said I agree that cheaters should be banned from competing for a period of time, Ray Rizzo with his impossible aegislash can be put in this category, not Wolfe. He didn't use it in an official tournament. period. Most people didn't even realize that he used an illegal mon, including him and you I believe. If he used it in an official tourney, then yes call him a cheater or whatever. Another point, you keep on saying he's lying, lying, lying. Lying about what? English is not my first language but I asked a lot of people and everyone agree that he's not lying. He talked about what he believed in, obtaining a "legal" mon by breeding an illegal parent. Is it allowed? Apparently not. Now you proved him wrong, why keep calling him a liar and a cheat? Desperate for attention? Now, what do you expect him to do? Make a vid just like you did earlier in your youtube career? Begging to Aaron Zheng to drop his vid about you? This is no longer about "keeping cheaters out of VGC" it's more of "Let's bring Wolfe Glick down for whatever reason". What you did was commendable, being a policeman of hacked mons/cheater in VGC but the way you're doing it is not intelligent man. The info you showed on this vid (TPCI's reply) is great to be shared with THE WHOLE community, and you can do it in a civil way. You don't have to drag someone down to have a big channel. Unless your main purpose of doing this is not for VGC, just for the money, then it's just a genius piece of business as a youtuber. Anyway, keep on doing a good job at youtube. And I really wanna see you do good at VGC too, without cheating of course ;) PS: timer stalling is 100% legal
+Verlisify +Verlisify I actually didn't even expect a response xD Maybe drama is the wrong word. Its just you've made a couple vids about this hacked situation. Even with this proof, I never believed alot of these pokemon used by these people weren't hacked. And as a viewer who appreciates your content,this type of content just has me at a loss.
It makes sense. Illegal parents means more easily obtaining high stats/IVs than normal. If you want a good pokemon, put in the effort! Hacking 6IV dittos and such totally ruins that part of the fun.
There is an implication here that I find a little unsettling. To suggest that a person cannot breed using a pokemon that they got using Wonder Trade for the possibility that it may be hacked is to suggest that a person can be disqualified from competitive play through no fault of their own, just for thinking to benefit from a feature that was implemented into the game. Personally, I think that hack checks should focus on what is obviously not normally possible to obtain. And yes, I think that a pokemon coming in a pokeball that it couldn't be obtained with does fit into that category. Such a pokemon can create a competitive advantage because it can influence prediction. A pokemon in a Cherish Ball, for example, may possibly have moves that only an event version of the pokemon could have.
I understand your views on hacking. I do not hack myself though. I just have to voice my opinion on the issue. I know friends of mine and other youtubers who hack Pokemon. Wether it's by action replay, powersave, or PKHex. Some play competitive while others don't. Most people have jobs, family, and friends that are more important than hours of breeding for the right natures ivs or even hidden powers. It's not worth the time to most individuals. Maybe if ivs didn't exist there would be less hackers idk. I'm tired of seeing bullshit videos like this of people complaining 24/7 basically like they are the rule enforcers. People will play how they want to play because they spent their money on a 3ds and a game cartridge. Leave this issue alone because it only creates more drama between people.
The thing thing is, despite the fact Verlisify is unintelligent, he is in the right here. That Pokemon shouldn't be obtainable, so it is illegal. You should be responsible for the Pokemon you receive from trade. If they are hacked, it is your duty to release them.
meanwhile in Japan.....sir they are making illegal pokemon. Are they still buying are games. Yes sir. Tell them we are trying are best to stop it. Are we sir? No silly now get out of here I'm going to shower myself in the sun and moon pre order money.
Every community that consists of people is doomed because of all the flaws in human nature. Then again every human is doomed, so all communities are also doomed in a sense.
All I can say is: "Verlisify used Will-O-Wisp! Wolfe was burned!" Also, when you said pretty much all big VGC players cheat, I agree. The only BIG big player that I can think of who is against cheating is Paul Chua.
I have a question. At official Pokemon Tournaments such as Worlds, does the Pokemon company have a system to check for hacked Pokemon, and pokemon bread from hacked parents? If this is the case, then wow, good for them, but it also brings up the case of people who received, lets say, a 6IV Ditto though trading and had no idea it was hacked, then wandered up to the Tournament only to be thrown out for using a Pokemon that were bread from this hacked Ditto? I have no idea what's going on between Verlisify and the other dude, and frankly don't pay much attention to the competitive scene, but it's just something on my mind.
Thank you Verlisify!! I am 100% with you and am tired of these hackers. It seems like I can't even get a single win on battle spot any more so now my number one goal is to create a team and legally breed them myself to take them down. I am still far from my goal but to each its own its trial and error. Keep doing what you're doing! :)
I dislike drama, but Verlisify's completely right. Hacking a Pokemon in, regardless of what you're using it for, whether it has stats that fit the natural equivalent or not, goes against the terms of service, therefore is illegal, even if it's used to breed a perfect Pokemon; that child's still as tainted as it's parents.
+Verlisify If I breed a pokemon that I got from a trade (I don't know if it is hacked or not) and then used the pokemon that hatched from the egg that would be illegal however since I didn't know if it was hacked then why would I be held responsible for something that was out of my control, what the pokemon company is saying is we ban you even if you got it through trade which defeats the purpose of the trade system because we know there are hacked pokemon and so do the company and yet despite all the community protests they refuse to do anything about it apart from ban the people who breed the illegal hacked/traded pokemon. They can ban you if they find 1 illegal/hacked pokemon on there which for filling a pokedex is stupid, but for battling is great. The GTS system people ask for event only pokemon which can't be traded so the pokemon company doesn't check the GTS system, if they do then they don't do anything about it which annoys the hell out of anyone. You say that people should know what a hacked pokemon is, the fact is that most people don't actually use databases unless they are specifically breeding for certain move sets, I only use it to find out which pokemon can be bread with certain moves and what pokemon I need for playing online, to say that it is the person's fault for not knowing how to spot a hacked pokemon is not alright especially since we all don't have your knowledge, I know if it is hacked through the moves but if someone did it right, and made sure that they followed all the proper procedures (e.g. randomized the iv's but made sure to have 3 iv's as 30-31, and legal moves that the pokemon can learn) then the person getting that pokemon on wondertrade or gts wouldn't know the difference then they can get banned by the company for something they know nothing about which is ignorance on the company's part. The game developers are saying that they are hackers and doing something that you can't do, well if they missed it in development then the people that find the bug should be congratulated because they discovered something that no-one else found especially not the developers, but they are not hackers they just go and find these flaws for fun (yes some do it for an edge on the competition). Most of the time it is done to prove it can be done. If someone designed a game with no flaws, eventually someone would find a flaw, take Halo speedrunning for example, you aren't hacking you are using your knowledge of the game's code, some would say it is exploiting the game but it isn't, in fact 343 have even named achievements after the people who speedrun because they are using mechanics built into the game, any game can be manipulated if you know the coding script, so for the pokemon company to say it is illegal is true but the hackers have proved it can be done and the just manipulate the code until they hack pokemon but the code for breeding them is legal and should not fall under scrutiny, pokemon itself can be considered illegal because you have to buy the games to obtain all the pokemon or trade with other people, I want a pokemon game with all the pokemon in it not just version exclusives. If the pokemon company valued other opnions then they would have a game where you can catch all pokemon and not have to trade unless you needed too. If the top vgc's players are saying they hack pokemon then why haven't the company banned them? Simple, they don't want to because then negative mouth of word would spread and pokemon would start losing sales. I don't like people who hack but when you have top vgc players admitted to using hacked pokemon and not getting banned then the terms of service are a joke and show that the company don't care what the pro's do only what the casual players do.
This is so stupid how people take a game rated E10 which was made for children so seriously. Cheating in this game gives no super advantage you ultimately end up with the same end result. This is so pathetic lol
I know right theres no hacked moves or hacked stats why bitch about it if its genned legally this guy take the pokemon legislation very seriously i don't fucking care what you think verlisify its not hacked moves or hacked stats.
So basically, had this Raichu been in another Pokeball, there would of been no dispute whatsoever? What might we do in a case where we are traded a pokemon that is hacked, unbeknownst to us, that appears legitimate according to every check?
+Sigils, ETHEC. I suppose I can't fault you there, perhaps I just don't like Versilify's attitude towards it but if you've been fighting for something like this for so long it's hard to not get passionate.
Objectively, Verlis is correct. Modifying game data should not be tolerated, and professionally speaking Pokémon Company should enforce that. But objective reasoning isn't going to stop people from getting fed up with the RNG nightmare of obtaining perfect/near-perfect IV Pokémon with their correct natures and abilities, which is causing the problem in the first place. Condemn silly, minor things like Pokémon with illegal Pokéballs, fine. More major things like illegal stats/abilities/movesets, without question. But condemning people for being annoyed at the game design requiring them to monotonously ride their in-game bikes or soft-resetting for dozens of hours is just childish. I sincerely wish the main games would just do away with unmodifiable traits that affect gameplay. Changing IVs, Natures, and Abilities (including Hidden Abilities) would just eliminate all this dramatic nonsense from the community.
Your arguments revolve around the fact that hacking is breaking the rules. If the pokemon company were to change its rules about hacking so it was legal, would you be ok with hacking?
I wonder if this people know no REAL competitive player spends hours softreseting for a 6IV primal Groudon or 5 IV Xerneas or even for breeding a 6IV salamence.
I've used a shiny 6iv Ditto so I can speed my breeding process. Right now I'm trying to have every single pokemon and at the same time I'm breeding for competitive pokemon so I can use every single pokemon when I want to. The pokemon that I've had from ditto dont have perfect ivs, nor shiny, dont have any special moves o special pokeballs. I've used these pokemon on battle spot and never had a problem with them. How can they track my pokemon if there's no sign of it having a hacked parent.
Let's say I EV train a completely 100% legitimate Pokemon using a power item I got by battling with a Pokemon that was bred from a hacked ditto I got over the GTS. The Pokemon I battled with is completely normal in every way. Strictly speaking, is the Pokemon I would have EV trained with this power item legal?
I wish I knew that 6IV Dittos are unobtainable in game. Most of my Pokemon were bred from it and I didn't know. I got it from the GTS, and thought I was just lucky.
Yep agreed theres some adults who haves jobs and loves the pokemon games but don't have time to breed thats pokemon fault for not making a faster way to breed something taking hours is fucking crazy.
Me being an average player and not having the means to get most of the harder to obtain mons, I didn't really pay attention to the more in-depth rules. I just stuck with, "as long as I don't have outrageously overpowered pokemon that were hacked, I'm good." That is to say I use (or rather "used" as I'm now going to change) 6iv dittos to breed my comp pokes. I was told from PokemonShowdown that pokemon bred from hacked parents were legal as well, so I just assumed they were right, since they probably knew better than I did (again, average player, so I was just getting into the more competitive stuff). Really upset that I have to go back and re-breed everything, but I'm not one to purposefully cheat.
Sheepish But the 6IV dittos I have are shiny and japanese. I highly doubt that they aren't hacked, and based off this video, I believe that it would be illegal for me to use any pokemon bred from those dittos against other players.
OMG why the fuck does the pokemon company have to make it so hard for ppl??? Some of us don't have the time to spend countless hours to breed a perfect pokemon for competitive use! As long as the pokemon doesn't have illegal stats, why the fuck does it matter?? We already paid for your damn game! Now we can't play competitively because we have hacked pokemon..
I love Verlis but am i the only one who thinks that this is not helping the problem. I'm not saying that cheating is right but going back and forth is kind of bumming me out
I agree that hacked mons with unattainable abilities or impossible stats should be banned, but I don't see any moral fallacies with having a hacked mon with legitimate properties for battling. Because the focus is on the battling. It doesn't put anyone at an unfair advantage to the contest of skill. Where as if this were say a breeding contest, or strongest wildest Pokémon caught contest, that would be an inexcusable place to use hacked mons, because the competition is directly related to the origins of said Pokémon. The origins of each trainers' Pokémon has nothing to do with how the Pokémon performs in battle, making the rule that there can be no legal hacked mons in these competitions a superfluous one at best. If 2 craftsman made the same piece of furniture, but 1 of them made all of the materials they used from scratch would you consider his finished work to be superior or more proper? No. Because it's not about how it came to be, it's about what the finished product is and how it functions.
Verlis the type of youtuber that states he doesn't like others bringing drama and hate onto his channel whereas he brings hate and drama on everyone else's.
Pokémon is meant to be for fun. If you resort to cheating, there is something wrong with you. Competitive, I mean. In all honesty, when solo you can do whatever you want. But be fair to your community. Please
The biggest problem with outlawing breeding from hacked parents- Sometimes you're not going to know they're hacked. Say, you've traded for them over the GTS or you got them via Wondertrade. You can't tell, unless they've got an impossible move or ability or poke-ball. And then, you breed them (because you want to use that pokemon competitively) and then it's not legal, even though you had no idea.
I want to ask a question about obtaining unobtainable Pokemon, if I were to use some device like an action replay to obtain the flute needed for the event of Arceus, but only hack the item but legally generate the RCs above spear pillar in Diamond pearl Platinum, would I be able to transfer that Arceus up without Nintendo having a problem or would they look at that as some danabol violation. Because the Pokemon is technically legitimately in the game. It's just the item to access it it is not. What's the situation there?
Does anyone know how to stop a channel from showing up in my recommended? I am so sick of seeing this guy crying and whining about the dumbest things. I thought I could get over it and just enjoy the content, but nope. This guy is getting on my nerves and at least 3 of his videos are always in my recommended.
I kinda take pride in spending hours breeding for the perfect pokemon I want. They're my babies that I turn into killing machines and I'm so proud the times I win with them. It's a lot of work, and yeah sometimes it's draining, but once you get that perfect pokemon you train from the ground up, it's the result of your hard work and dedication.
Alright, so my 5 iv skarmory came from a 6 iv ditto parent... Now what?? Even if Nintendo claim offsprings coming from illegal parents are "illegal" so what? What can they do about it? Theres no way to tell the difference between an offspring that came from a "legitimate" or illegal parent. The Pokemon Company is just bluffing, they have no way to know the difference, What are they gonna do? Set a requirement for vgc participants that they need to literally show in the pc or pokebank where the original parent came from? So that they can participate? Yeah right.
I feel people hack Pokemon so they don't have to devalue the game by doing tedious amounts of breeding for a team just for an event, and they probably have better things to do with their time. From that stand point, it's understandable why people would hack, but it still puts other players at a disadvantage. Well, I play Pokemon Showdown and I go by smogon's rules anyway, I don't play competitive in the games.
*People are mad because they want to justify cheating. Just have the balls and say that you cheat to win dammit!! I'm a cheater too but when it comes to competitive and pokedex stuff I play by the RULES*
Allright, thanks for clarifying the breeding stuff in this video... I'm still going to use that 1 Pókemon I bred using a hacked parent. Not breeding new ones with 6 IV hacked parents, though.
Hey Verlis, I completely agree with you and I am very happy that The Pokemon Company have spoken out on this issue. I just wanted to ask something I feel may be asked. So if parent Pokemon is illegitimate due to being hacked in, all offspring are deemed illegitimate due to their parent being so. As you are probably aware, there are sites that distribute 6 IV Shiny dittos that people use to breed that are more than likely hacked. If the parent Pokemon wasn't hacked but was duplicated using either Powersaves (which I do not use or condone) or the Pokemon Bank method, are they still illegitimate. I think but getting a solid answer from Pokemon on this would finally settle the argument. Please note I am only referring to duplication. Lastly, as an ambassador of PokeTubers, it would be good to know, how do you breed your Pokemon in order to get 5/6i ivs? Did you go searching for dittos till you found a 5/6 iv ditto or another method. Once again, thank you for getting Pokemon to speak out on this issue and I hope in the future there will be a way to back trace Pokemon to see whether parent Pokemon were hacked in or not, or at least a way to prevent it for Sun and Moon.
I used to be one I stopped all together playing pokemon because I felt ashamed later I restarted and went the legal way in game to reach a great team and I love the fact that I am changed from hacker to legitimate player all the work makes it 10x more rewarding
Verlisify. I am a fan of yours but you gotta stop going after every single person who breaks the rules, I'm getting pretty sick of it and I'm sure other people are
I don't understand why there are so many dislikes for this video, you might not like this guy Verlisify, BUT the point is clear, the Pokemon Company states in the rules for vgc play and online play that the use of external devices to obtain Pokemon or Items is not allowed, you cannot argue with that. Until the rules change his point stands.
To the best of my knowledge, everything I use is legal by Game Freak's standards. I have received a few trades of Pokemon in certain balls that I did verify are legal, but I have no way of confirming if they were genned. The majority all originate from Pokemon found in my games or Pokemon hatched from other Pokemon found in my games.
so they make a rule against something that 100% unable to be enforced. if the poke.on itself is hacked you can check for that but if it is bred from hacks without coding info on the parents no way to prove it, and even if they put in data on parents you could just breed down a few more generations past that point. and essentially at that poibt it's 100% legal so long as everything is legit obtainable in game, if you take two hacked 6iv pokemon and breed a 4 iv good hidden power one with all legit stats ball and moves in my opinion that's cool. my comparison would be like children of illegal immigrants in the us, parents aren't citizens but if the kid was born here they are.
I think nintendo should make hacked mons physically unbreedable. Like, for example, if one of the parents is hacked it would not be able to breed even if the other mon is legal.
Pokemon should distribute a 6 iv ditto every year via internet and encourage breeding legit pokemon. And after that hackers shouldn't be given excuses..because everyone has an easy way to get good iv bred pokemon and there is no need to go for illegal methods.. unless they are stubborn or lazy to spend more time in the game ..
yup, n move tutors like sucker punch golem
Xacris But that would make every pokemon identical to its species..n would make the game dull
LuxuryDeluxe N they should make event ribboned pokemon trade-able in GTS..some people remove it to deposit those pkmn in gts
good idea too bad only japan would get those events though :P
Doesn't help for legendaries. If they did this, they may as well just remove IVs all together.
The Pokemon company should just distribute a 6iv ditto through mystery gift...
Sorry to brag but in oras my first starter was a 4iv sceptile
Getting 5 ivs in the right stats is extremely annoying. I've bred 200+ pokemon "legitimately" and I'm tired of it. It's boring and repetitive and ultimately pointless since you can do it so much easier. I got a 6 iv ditto and a couple of friends with hacking devices and I'm able to update my teams much easier. People who are actually good tend not to care about breeding.
Fishcabob The Pokémon Trainer Then just breed your pokemon and stop trying to get everyone to play like how you want to. Let other people do what they want to do.
+Vasid Disav Skill does not correlate with breeding, but I'm always down to play, but it depends on what ruleset you'd like to play in. I'm down for a vgc 16 game. I'm not a big fan of my ou team and have been planning on making a new one.
***** I soft resetted for my kyogre and rayquaza, but ok. Have a nice life.
Wish my life was so easy that this shit was my only worry. Whether or not people hack Pokemon...
its pretty sweet
+Verlisify ^-^
I know Verlisify is a bit obnoxious with the hacking hunting and what not, but there's no denying that he's right. The truth is in your faces whether you like it or not.
Even so, it's no reason to be a jerk
Being a jerk? He's just trying to stop someone from spreading misinformation. I'm with Versify on this one.
Pokemon company makes the rules, we need to respect them, I don't know how many times he's had to iterate this, I'd be annoyed too if people kept saying it was legal. Listen, I don't care if you hack a mon to play with your friends, but don't bring them into a tournament/Use online play and expect to not be called out.
Keep it to Bluetooth.
Spencer Rosario-McCabe I'm not referring just to this situation. Again, I agree with him, just not his methods.
+Mull Corin truth beats emotions no matter what, you break the rules expect the consequences to be harsh.
Sebastian Martinez the reason he deserves the "hate" is because he's spreading misinformation.
Not because he did it. But because he's saying it's okay to do it.
I'm legit afraid of my Japanese Ditto being hacked at this point...
Same :/
I got a French one from wondertrade once. I don't know if its hacked or not so I don't feel bad for using it.
I have a shiny, maxed IV, Japanese ditto I got from wonder trade... I feel you. ;~;
+Erick Villanueva I have no guilt from using my 6iv ditto I got from wondertrade. If I knew it was hacked for sure I probably would but I don't.
Chances of such a Ditto are 1 in 29791. It's probably hacked, but Game Freak could seriously open up the breeding gates and legitimacy if they actually allowed Ditto to breed with itself.
Pokémon are saying hacking is illegal. Other people are saying it's not
Yeah I am not gonna believe these people over the GUYS WHO MADE THE ACTUAL GAME
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I'm not laughing at him. I'm actually laughing at you...
And does a hacker like me care as long as it's only in single player ? Nope
if you not bring hack mons online then I don't have a problem with it at all
But but but. I has a life. I has no time to breed pogeymans for meself. I's too busy. I goes to college and I works out everydays and I makes good youtube content. I I I'll expose you and make video on you. You big meanie.
- Poketubers which defend cheating
hahaha
why did they make it easier to get good ivs in gen 6?
Have any of you heard of a thing called time management? That can help you go extra miles by balancing the amount of time you breed along with the rest of real life.
basically word for word
But replace meanie with some swear words
I work, I do college and I manage a UA-cam channel and I can breed
If someone used a illegitimately obtained pokemon to breed, how exactly would Game Freak check that? Outside of the pokeball or currently available moveset, Game Freak doesnt seem to have a way to trace the pokemon's lineage.
Sadly, all VGC stands for nowadays is 'Very Good Cheaters'. Just a competition where people hack and bring their legendaries/megas and compete to see who hacked the best sets. This is why I'll never be impressed with any 'VGC battles'. I dream of a day where Pokemon devises a way to block any sort of Genning or hacking. Then I would like to see these same 'top VGC players' try to play.
Benz Quizon
Kudos to you. If only more people were like you, VGC wouldn't be in the rigid standard form it is now. And not saying that the whole VGC style are all hackers, as there is still a small fraction of players who I'm sure legitimately obtain their pokemon teams.
Lord Wallace Hacked pokemon will unfortunately always be available through transfer and pokebank unless they find a way to patch this up.. very unlikely. But in the scenario that it does happen, your VGC players that you idolize so much, the ones that hack... good luck even seeing them make it to the competition with any sort of team. Without their shiny 6IV megas and legendaries, you won't see the usual bunch of players anywhere on the ladders or scene. Don't mean to burst your fantasy.
Lord Wallace But it does make a difference on the game, hacked or not. IVs are super important in the game. Because good luck getting a perfect IV legendary.. or even getting the right IVs in place if you legitimately soft reset. So tell me, how does hacking a perfect competitive legendary like this, give 'ZERO advantage'??? Answer that.
Without hacking, no doubt that the same VGC crowd would be much more diminutive. There's a certain popular poketuber out there that I've called him out on not even knowing what the IV Judge is! Do you think, said people like this, is going to be battling competitively, without the means of hacking a team, anytime soon? I'm not saying ALL the top VGC players are like this, but you have to realize that there is a good portion of people who may have the skills, but not the dedication to legitimately obtain a team, or constantly alter it to adjust strategies.
When I say, 'I'll never be impressed with any VGC battles', I mean I won't be impressed with VGC players who show off their skills but have hacked in order to do so. Because that is the equivalent of being impressed by a bodybuilder who uses steroids and illegal enhancers!
Lord Wallace
In response to 1 & 3- Zero advantage in the context of a battle.. should BOTH parties have perfect IV teams. But not the case in REALITY. Because in reality, a legitimate player will not have that perfect stats team. Such as, they will bring optimal stats on their legendary pokemon, but not perfect. And I understand it's up the competitors to meet the standards, but the reason why it will be a disadvantage- in reality, the player with legitimate team does not have perfect stats.
Hacking isn't opening up accessibility and expanding competitive scene. If anything, it closes the doors and discourages players who play by the rules. It has gotten to the point where now, if you don't have the usual hacked team consisting of one Mega and several perfect legendaries, you're done. Remember a while back when Pachirisu was used in the finals? You'll never see this today. Hacking is part of the reason why all you see are the same VGC pokemon over and over on every team. Why train a regular cool pokemon when now you must hack a perfect legendary pokemon to play VGC? It creates a very rigid play standard.
I can tell we will never come to an agreement, so we should just agree to disagree.
*****
We need to build a great wall and make the illegal pokemon pay for that wall!
#MakePokemonGreatAgain
#MakePokemonGreatAgain I dont own a DS yet! but when i play pokemon ill just catch them legitamelty and improve their EVs as i dont care about IVs! I just dont like People Using Hacked Mons If the Upper Part of VGC is full of hackers, i hope someday some Non Hackers beat them in competitive play! aslo your Pic is Great! #YungoosTrump
Personally I like the fact that you don't use hacked Pokémon, I like the fact that you are proud of it. But I also think this witch hunt has got to stop, if the Pokémon are hacked but technically possible then sure, frown upon them but that's about it, the holier than thou part of this video about being a top VGC player and therefore having to use non-hacked Pokémon was just disappointing to me.
Why? Do you think it's acceptable for a high-esteem member of a community to take an advantage over the people who idolize him, not only sending the wrong message but instead of simply saying it was the last time, attempting to lie and counterattack again? I think shutting up and accepting is what is slowly rotting this world away, be it a political debate or a kid's game. To me it's incomprehensible how anyone could accept this....
+Yamidoragon because it's not like hacking necessarily breaks the game, if it is done to save on hours of breeding is not the same as doing it to create impossible stats, moves or abilities. An argument could be made about the Dream Ball but honestly it doesn't affect the competition. Tbh it's this kind of black and white binary thinking that is rotting the world away, trying to pass laziness to analyze specific cases to determine if it is wrong or right as a moral standpoint when it's really just an easy way to avoid thinking about what the actual issue is, because why bother when you can dismiss things automatically with no analysis or second thoughts whatsoever, right?
Santiago Echecopar Frisancho There is nothing to analyze. :D A person who does not hack and breeds every pokemon legitly will never have the array of pokemon so quickly at his/her disposal as a hacker who is one click away. You will never be able to adapt to a meta that will change faster than it should be able to anyways, giving you a strong competitive backlash. :D Apparently you know nothing of the subject you are talking about, otherwise you would be just as frustrated as every hardcore player with competitive ambitions who refrains from cheating :D It's as simple as that.
youre basically saying its okay to cheat in VGC and that anyone who disagrees needs to chill... not a good vibe my dude.
cheating is for lazy people just like in real life, I mean cheating or hacking pokes I don't think is that big a deal if it was a single player game or something (it'd just be like a mod) but you shouldn't be doing it for competitive battling to gain advantages against other players which is just unacceptable. I have about 6\7 pokemon with 5ivs that I bred myself like a charmander, ferrothorn, hydreigon, scizor, swampert and one of 2 more I can't think of and that's it because yeah it's work but if I cheat then the game becomes too easy and unrewarding tbh
wow that was actually quite a long comment, uh, yeh.
I completely agree. My best friend got bored of Pokemon and quit playing it 2 months after he started hacking.
The advantage is that you save time so you can still have time to fap to Boku no Pico.
The only reason I would hack is not for my team but for inaccessible shiny legends and inaccessible pokes.
Is hacking considered a sin? I hope it is. I really hope it is.
I can't breed hacked parents? Watch me...
But seriously, stop with all the hacker hate. Hackers will never stop hacking no matter what you say, and listening to all of these anti-hacking rants just makes me want to hack even more.
funny how verlis disliked the video xD
Ahaha I noticed that too!
Creepy Kid Definitely true. my cousin hacks her pokemon ALL THE TIME
SuperDaikenki huh?
i really think pokemon should make something so genning is impossible, i really like to hunt shinies. why would i do this when people just hack in that shiny pokemon?! it's just so unfair
Boaz true
what's with the dog collar?
He's a fucking furry. Like I hate that his VGC videos are so good cause I fucking hate furries.
It's just that he likes it ruff.....lol....
+Green Hocker oh I didn't mean to be mean to him if you are talking to me?! I was just trying to make a pun because I saw the perfect timing so I took it. Not meant to offend...just a pun.
+Green Hocker that's what I was saying, I'm watching his videos regardless because I like his videos. I can still hate furries if I want. And I do.
My question is: how does it actually affect your life? Why the need to hate something? Does that energy you use to feel and express this "hate" actually amount to time well-spent?
Did your overly-hairy uncle touch you in a bad way or something?
You realise you just made thousands of people scared of using pokemon they got by breeding right? Way to go Verlisify. People who may have gotton 6iv's ditto's from their friends might now be scared that all their hours of breeding their Pokemon was for nothing. Good job...
Not like that. I mean that a lot of people don't know now if they pokemon are legal or not and might be to scared to try out of fear of being banned.
GTS had been dead for years by now so not to sad about that. The thing for me is that people shouldn't have to worry about them breeding the Pokemon that they without needing to be scared of a possible fake parent.
Because if they got a 6 iv ditto it was illigitimate. I breed for hours for my pokemon. Everyone else can do the same.
You make solid points, but It appears people do not like your tone.
+Edward Sutherland yep
People (vgc players) just love cheating.
BUT... if you have time to hack and play tournament, you also have the time to obtain them in a legal way.
+tywozere2 FUCKING PREACH!
If the parents are hacked, they are illegal and illegitimate. If those parents breed and the offspring does not have any funny business, it's legal and legit. Why? Because the game generated the egg(s) and the egg(s) doesn't/don't have anything illegal or illegitimate aspects about it.
This makes basically all of my pokemon illegal... I received a ditto over wonder trade and used it to breed the majority of my living dex. I later found out it was 6iv. I mean, I feel like there should be a line... Tbf though... they're just straight first egg pokemon without items xD so any perfect offspring would be pure coincidence.
I got it at the early end of x/y's life time and it's Japanese. I'm predicting 100% likely to be gen'd, cuz who would WT a real one?
Almighty Keys
Oh no, I agree! I think mine are legal and I think Verlisify's black/white all hacked mons and their offspring shouldn't be used deal is silly. By his say, nearly all mine are illegal, but that's just silly, when there's nothing about them that are either illegal moves or even perfected stats.
why are there so many poeple complaining it is just a ball. i know cheating is bad but all of this jist for 1 ball??
*just
The fact is he is a very popular vgc player. It's not only him, but many others cheating as well. He's just putting up a fight
I don't care whether or not Pokemon company agrees, I do not think it is a big deal to hack Pokemon if the stats and stuff are legal. There is nothing unfair about this.
+Zahcary Morman yeah that's true
Because the ball is the way to prove it is wrong, the only indicator.
'the drama princess known as verlisify' Im dying some one revive me XD
how can the pokemon company even tell if there is a hacked parent or not?
i have a 6iv hacked ditto i got off wonder trade and i was just wanting to know how is it possible for them to know who the parents are? is it embedded in their coding or something? im confused ;/
They can't! Otherwise genned Pokemon cannot go through their system.
lol probably more than 80% of competitive pokemon players used "hacked" mons
Wow. I wasn't aware the Pokemon community was so toxic. Comparing steroids and sports to hacking in a video game? That's kind of sad.
Ya it's kinda sad especially when this dosent even given you an advantage in the pokemon battle.
Why did he even put it in a dream ball in the first place
He's an idiot. That's why he made the video claiming that hacked parents breed legal pokemon. A complete fool.
Fapping rights? Those balls are pretty much unobtainable unless bred if I remember well XD
Wolfe said he got it from a friend
did you watch the first 10 seconds of the video. pretty clear that breeding hacked parents is against the rules...
Because it's a goddamn simple logic. Only retarded communities like pokemon vgc choose not to accept it.
I'm still going to use my cloned 6 IV ditto.
Why are there so many dislikes? Did Verlis say something bad or is it probably hackers that are against this ban?
Okay, thanks.
TheTanDoctor Me? I prefer play on showdown because I don't like the hassles of breeding and training (time-consuming). However, I can understand the company wanting we trainers to actually make an effort (Because it's part of the experience, bla bla bla) to get a reward.
Yo Verlisify, what's with the negative attitudes? Recently I feel like you've gone out your way to attack other poketubers, I'm unsubscribe for a while until I can see you're being positive again! Come on dude!
What I want to see in Sun and Moon is an actual breeding system - not the archaic RNG placeholder that's been in game since G/S. Make getting competitive Pokemon an actual process instead of an RNG time sink.
If the Pokemon company doesn't enforce their own rules, then why should you? If the Pokemon company had a real issue with it then they would do something about it.
Soon, all those hundreds of hours and thousands of legit hatched eggs will pay off.
SuperDaikenki I used nothing that I did not catch myself.
TheBanta:
I can:
It doesn´t.
If it did, you people wouldn´t be hacking in the first place, right?
Getting legit competitive pokémon takes a ton of time, dedication and effort; It´s a long ass grind.
You have to catch all kinds of Ditto with all the Natures and IV´ss you need, including stuff like 0 speed and 30 IV´s for when you breed for Hidden Power. Catching all the required Ditto alone can take days of work, and then you also have to check each one you caught (of approximately 2-300 or so individuals) for their IV´s using IV calcs. Then, if you´re anything like me, you codename the ones that you want to keep so that you know its nature, and what 31 and 30s it has.
Then you need all the EV training items and the Destiny Knot, and THEN you can start to think about the actual breeding process.
It is a struggle that not many players will find the dedication to overcome, which is why so many people go straight into hacking. But Gamefreak intends for you to have to work that hard if you want top tier Pokémon. If you want to be the very best, like no one ever was, you´re supposed to work for it.
+steaktastebetterpill dude.....me you and all them other legit breeders.....
WE GONNA BE THE TRUE POKEMON MASTERS FOR NOT HACKING. I SALUTE YOU MY FRIEND!
Sebastian Martinez not trying to be rude but the some people don't have time to breed thing doesn't work, it's a sad excuse for hackers. if they have time to play competitive they have time to breed :I yes it takes time but they need to play correctly.
TheBanta:
I´m sorry, it seems I misunderstood your initial question. I´m still not sure I know exactly what you were asking. Did you want to know what I meant by "those legit hatched mons will soon pay off"?
By that, I meant that, from the looks of things, hacked mons and their spawn will no longer be usable in online tournaments, whereas my legit mons still will. Then, I´ll feel like my time and effort paid off; that´s what I meant.
If, on the other hand, you were trying to ask whether legit mons, and the ways in which you obtain them, have any kind of advantage compared to their hacked counterparts, which is how I initially interpreted it, the answer is no, because their stats will be the same at best, and the legit ones take way longer to obtain.
Beyond that, your last little ad hominem there was uncalled for, but I do in fact work full time, and live by myself. My Pokémon Alpha Sapphire copy tells me I have somewhere between 6-700 hours of playtime, and 2400 or so hatched eggs. Every Ditto and miscellaneous monster used in that process I caught single-handedly.
Work is not an excuse to hack your game through external devices, or receive monsters from others who did so.
If you can´t fit grinding anywhere in your schedule, you (should) have no business participating in competitive Pokémon - especially not official tournaments.
That´s how I feel about it.
a little hint to everyone, most hacked pokemon actually have a ribbon shows that it is hacked. I mean it is hard to tell if a pokemon that you get over trade had a hacked parent.
So Verlis wants trading removed from game because
1. It gives an unfair advantage in form of experience where players can go directly to practice battling instead of wasting time breeding.
2. You can never know if the traded pokemon is hacked, or even related to hacking, so you can't use the pokemon for anything anyway.
Is there any way to check if your pokemon is illigimate? Cause i have got some shineys and good stats pokemon in wondertrade?
I have a Shiney Delphox and i got it form my brother who got it from a friend i traded my Ylvtal for it, abd I'm a bit suspiceus cause he keeps getting good pokemons from that person with out nay thing in return, they might get the wrong natures and or IV but still is there any way to check it?
Cause I hate Cheating and i Dont want any Illigimate pokemons in any way, they have no wierd pokeballs all are normals ones or great balls, ultraballs or master balls (the Shineys).
Trainer Red my pokemons have 4 or 5 Iv''s so no one is illegal there and all have balls they can be captured in.
Try entering the battlespot with them for starters. But if there was one universal way to get them tested this would not be an issue. It's easy to chain your own shinies now, just stick to that and don't accept pokemon from suspicious ppl. I traded away a shiny Rotom from Wondertrade just yesterday, if you don't wanna take the risk then just don't :D
***** If the parent was a hacked pokemon your pokemon is illigal did you miss that?
***** You said:
"I've made hundreds of trades for breedjects... Doesn't bother me if every single one of them was hacked, my Pokemon are legal."
Thats what I'm talking about
SS4Inferno I'm not worried about getting catch or found out, its about my moral and ideals. I'm against all forms of cheating when it comes to video games and I dont want to have an unfair advantage or contribute with cheated pokemons ofspring when I wondertrade them or give to friends, thats pretty much what it is about.
But ty for the information from all of you that have tried to anwer my Question. What I get from it is, that if its nothing supiscous, with ball, stats (EV's IV's) or abilities there is no real way of telling if they are legit or not and that is currently my case. So I Will just have to battle on with my pokemons or only use Pokemons i can Catch my self from Pokemon Y or Alpha Saphire casue thast the only real way you can tell if they dont come from skilled hacked pokemons or their offspring.
Tired of the drama,I want your matches and strategies Vers! Dx
Can we play? :D i want a friend :v
You get that as usual. So what's the point?
I dont get this, this isn't drama and even if it was Its less than 1% of my content. It does NOTHING to interfere with normal content.
Pretty sure I'm banned from commenting, but by any minuscule chance you can read this Verlis: you're an intelligent person so you do know that calling him a cheater all the time because of using an impossible to obtain mon OUTSIDE of an official VGC tournament is kinda desperate for attention. You tried to cheat your way into fame by saying you went undefeated in a tourney too (private messages are ok to be shown in public) *wink wink*
In your previous vids about cheating I said I agree that cheaters should be banned from competing for a period of time, Ray Rizzo with his impossible aegislash can be put in this category, not Wolfe. He didn't use it in an official tournament. period. Most people didn't even realize that he used an illegal mon, including him and you I believe. If he used it in an official tourney, then yes call him a cheater or whatever.
Another point, you keep on saying he's lying, lying, lying. Lying about what? English is not my first language but I asked a lot of people and everyone agree that he's not lying. He talked about what he believed in, obtaining a "legal" mon by breeding an illegal parent. Is it allowed? Apparently not. Now you proved him wrong, why keep calling him a liar and a cheat? Desperate for attention? Now, what do you expect him to do? Make a vid just like you did earlier in your youtube career? Begging to Aaron Zheng to drop his vid about you? This is no longer about "keeping cheaters out of VGC" it's more of "Let's bring Wolfe Glick down for whatever reason".
What you did was commendable, being a policeman of hacked mons/cheater in VGC but the way you're doing it is not intelligent man. The info you showed on this vid (TPCI's reply) is great to be shared with THE WHOLE community, and you can do it in a civil way. You don't have to drag someone down to have a big channel. Unless your main purpose of doing this is not for VGC, just for the money, then it's just a genius piece of business as a youtuber.
Anyway, keep on doing a good job at youtube. And I really wanna see you do good at VGC too, without cheating of course ;)
PS: timer stalling is 100% legal
+Verlisify +Verlisify I actually didn't even expect a response xD
Maybe drama is the wrong word. Its just you've made a couple vids about this hacked situation. Even with this proof, I never believed alot of these pokemon used by these people weren't hacked. And as a viewer who appreciates your content,this type of content just has me at a loss.
It makes sense. Illegal parents means more easily obtaining high stats/IVs than normal. If you want a good pokemon, put in the effort! Hacking 6IV dittos and such totally ruins that part of the fun.
There is an implication here that I find a little unsettling. To suggest that a person cannot breed using a pokemon that they got using Wonder Trade for the possibility that it may be hacked is to suggest that a person can be disqualified from competitive play through no fault of their own, just for thinking to benefit from a feature that was implemented into the game.
Personally, I think that hack checks should focus on what is obviously not normally possible to obtain. And yes, I think that a pokemon coming in a pokeball that it couldn't be obtained with does fit into that category. Such a pokemon can create a competitive advantage because it can influence prediction. A pokemon in a Cherish Ball, for example, may possibly have moves that only an event version of the pokemon could have.
The truth is out now.... Boom.
I understand your views on hacking. I do not hack myself though. I just have to voice my opinion on the issue. I know friends of mine and other youtubers who hack Pokemon. Wether it's by action replay, powersave, or PKHex. Some play competitive while others don't. Most people have jobs, family, and friends that are more important than hours of breeding for the right natures ivs or even hidden powers. It's not worth the time to most individuals. Maybe if ivs didn't exist there would be less hackers idk. I'm tired of seeing bullshit videos like this of people complaining 24/7 basically like they are the rule enforcers. People will play how they want to play because they spent their money on a 3ds and a game cartridge. Leave this issue alone because it only creates more drama between people.
If you have time to hack, you have time to breed.
The thing thing is, despite the fact Verlisify is unintelligent, he is in the right here. That Pokemon shouldn't be obtainable, so it is illegal. You should be responsible for the Pokemon you receive from trade. If they are hacked, it is your duty to release them.
meanwhile in Japan.....sir they are making illegal pokemon. Are they still buying are games. Yes sir. Tell them we are trying are best to stop it. Are we sir? No silly now get out of here I'm going to shower myself in the sun and moon pre order money.
I hack the game and I know very well that breeded hacked Pokemon are illegal
but I do not battle competitively
Seriously if they can, props to them
It's amazing how many drama wars you have started from people not understanding either the rules (these videos) or sarcasm (hoodlum scrafty)
This community is doomed.
Every community that consists of people is doomed because of all the flaws in human nature. Then again every human is doomed, so all communities are also doomed in a sense.
All I can say is: "Verlisify used Will-O-Wisp! Wolfe was burned!" Also, when you said pretty much all big VGC players cheat, I agree. The only BIG big player that I can think of who is against cheating is Paul Chua.
I have a question. At official Pokemon Tournaments such as Worlds, does the Pokemon company have a system to check for hacked Pokemon, and pokemon bread from hacked parents? If this is the case, then wow, good for them, but it also brings up the case of people who received, lets say, a 6IV Ditto though trading and had no idea it was hacked, then wandered up to the Tournament only to be thrown out for using a Pokemon that were bread from this hacked Ditto? I have no idea what's going on between Verlisify and the other dude, and frankly don't pay much attention to the competitive scene, but it's just something on my mind.
Thank you Verlisify!! I am 100% with you and am tired of these hackers. It seems like I can't even get a single win on battle spot any more so now my number one goal is to create a team and legally breed them myself to take them down. I am still far from my goal but to each its own its trial and error. Keep doing what you're doing! :)
Don't know about everyone else, but I'm going to keep using my nice...Shiny...Japanese...Perfect IV ditto that someone gave to me. Y'all have fun. :b
I dislike drama, but Verlisify's completely right.
Hacking a Pokemon in, regardless of what you're using it for, whether it has stats that fit the natural equivalent or not, goes against the terms of service, therefore is illegal, even if it's used to breed a perfect Pokemon; that child's still as tainted as it's parents.
+Verlisify If I breed a pokemon that I got from a trade (I don't know if it is hacked or not) and then used the pokemon that hatched from the egg that would be illegal however since I didn't know if it was hacked then why would I be held responsible for something that was out of my control, what the pokemon company is saying is we ban you even if you got it through trade which defeats the purpose of the trade system because we know there are hacked pokemon and so do the company and yet despite all the community protests they refuse to do anything about it apart from ban the people who breed the illegal hacked/traded pokemon. They can ban you if they find 1 illegal/hacked pokemon on there which for filling a pokedex is stupid, but for battling is great. The GTS system people ask for event only pokemon which can't be traded so the pokemon company doesn't check the GTS system, if they do then they don't do anything about it which annoys the hell out of anyone.
You say that people should know what a hacked pokemon is, the fact is that most people don't actually use databases unless they are specifically breeding for certain move sets, I only use it to find out which pokemon can be bread with certain moves and what pokemon I need for playing online, to say that it is the person's fault for not knowing how to spot a hacked pokemon is not alright especially since we all don't have your knowledge, I know if it is hacked through the moves but if someone did it right, and made sure that they followed all the proper procedures (e.g. randomized the iv's but made sure to have 3 iv's as 30-31, and legal moves that the pokemon can learn) then the person getting that pokemon on wondertrade or gts wouldn't know the difference then they can get banned by the company for something they know nothing about which is ignorance on the company's part.
The game developers are saying that they are hackers and doing something that you can't do, well if they missed it in development then the people that find the bug should be congratulated because they discovered something that no-one else found especially not the developers, but they are not hackers they just go and find these flaws for fun (yes some do it for an edge on the competition). Most of the time it is done to prove it can be done. If someone designed a game with no flaws, eventually someone would find a flaw, take Halo speedrunning for example, you aren't hacking you are using your knowledge of the game's code, some would say it is exploiting the game but it isn't, in fact 343 have even named achievements after the people who speedrun because they are using mechanics built into the game, any game can be manipulated if you know the coding script, so for the pokemon company to say it is illegal is true but the hackers have proved it can be done and the just manipulate the code until they hack pokemon but the code for breeding them is legal and should not fall under scrutiny, pokemon itself can be considered illegal because you have to buy the games to obtain all the pokemon or trade with other people, I want a pokemon game with all the pokemon in it not just version exclusives. If the pokemon company valued other opnions then they would have a game where you can catch all pokemon and not have to trade unless you needed too.
If the top vgc's players are saying they hack pokemon then why haven't the company banned them? Simple, they don't want to because then negative mouth of word would spread and pokemon would start losing sales. I don't like people who hack but when you have top vgc players admitted to using hacked pokemon and not getting banned then the terms of service are a joke and show that the company don't care what the pro's do only what the casual players do.
Conglaturations: You just wrote 4 long paragraphs of pure bullshit
I see this video pop up on my feed and i dont even need to watch this video to agree with it...
#MakePokemonLegitAgain
This is so stupid how people take a game rated E10 which was made for children so seriously. Cheating in this game gives no super advantage you ultimately end up with the same end result. This is so pathetic lol
I know right theres no hacked moves or hacked stats why bitch about it if its genned legally this guy take the pokemon legislation very seriously i don't fucking care what you think verlisify its not hacked moves or hacked stats.
Hacking don't means cheating if you are battling a friend locally
So basically, had this Raichu been in another Pokeball, there would of been no dispute whatsoever? What might we do in a case where we are traded a pokemon that is hacked, unbeknownst to us, that appears legitimate according to every check?
I'm not gonna lie, as much as I dislike cheating this is getting stupid and petty. Just let Wolfe get on with it as long as he doesn't use them at VGC
+Sigils, ETHEC. I suppose I can't fault you there, perhaps I just don't like Versilify's attitude towards it but if you've been fighting for something like this for so long it's hard to not get passionate.
"The Drama Princess Known as Verlisify" 11:08, pretty accurate.
Objectively, Verlis is correct. Modifying game data should not be tolerated, and professionally speaking Pokémon Company should enforce that. But objective reasoning isn't going to stop people from getting fed up with the RNG nightmare of obtaining perfect/near-perfect IV Pokémon with their correct natures and abilities, which is causing the problem in the first place. Condemn silly, minor things like Pokémon with illegal Pokéballs, fine. More major things like illegal stats/abilities/movesets, without question. But condemning people for being annoyed at the game design requiring them to monotonously ride their in-game bikes or soft-resetting for dozens of hours is just childish. I sincerely wish the main games would just do away with unmodifiable traits that affect gameplay. Changing IVs, Natures, and Abilities (including Hidden Abilities) would just eliminate all this dramatic nonsense from the community.
I got an escavalier from gts and it had a dream ball and it doesn't have that blue pentagon thing does that mean it's fake or hacked?
Your arguments revolve around the fact that hacking is breaking the rules. If the pokemon company were to change its rules about hacking so it was legal, would you be ok with hacking?
I wonder if this people know no REAL competitive player spends hours softreseting for a 6IV primal Groudon or 5 IV Xerneas or even for breeding a 6IV salamence.
My OCD asks "Why the fuck would you want an Aegislash in a Dream Ball? It doesn't even match."
I've used a shiny 6iv Ditto so I can speed my breeding process. Right now I'm trying to have every single pokemon and at the same time I'm breeding for competitive pokemon so I can use every single pokemon when I want to. The pokemon that I've had from ditto dont have perfect ivs, nor shiny, dont have any special moves o special pokeballs. I've used these pokemon on battle spot and never had a problem with them. How can they track my pokemon if there's no sign of it having a hacked parent.
"The Drama Princess Verlisify" That honestly is funny.
Let's say I EV train a completely 100% legitimate Pokemon using a power item I got by battling with a Pokemon that was bred from a hacked ditto I got over the GTS. The Pokemon I battled with is completely normal in every way. Strictly speaking, is the Pokemon I would have EV trained with this power item legal?
Sure, but how will they track it if they meet all the legit requirements?
I wish I knew that 6IV Dittos are unobtainable in game. Most of my Pokemon were bred from it and I didn't know. I got it from the GTS, and thought I was just lucky.
Oh noooo! Hacking! It's soooo bad! Calm the fuck down. Some people like to play competitively without going through all of the time-wasting shit.
Yep agreed theres some adults who haves jobs and loves the pokemon games but don't have time to breed thats pokemon fault for not making a faster way to breed something taking hours is fucking crazy.
Me being an average player and not having the means to get most of the harder to obtain mons, I didn't really pay attention to the more in-depth rules. I just stuck with, "as long as I don't have outrageously overpowered pokemon that were hacked, I'm good." That is to say I use (or rather "used" as I'm now going to change) 6iv dittos to breed my comp pokes. I was told from PokemonShowdown that pokemon bred from hacked parents were legal as well, so I just assumed they were right, since they probably knew better than I did (again, average player, so I was just getting into the more competitive stuff). Really upset that I have to go back and re-breed everything, but I'm not one to purposefully cheat.
Sheepish But the 6IV dittos I have are shiny and japanese. I highly doubt that they aren't hacked, and based off this video, I believe that it would be illegal for me to use any pokemon bred from those dittos against other players.
OMG why the fuck does the pokemon company have to make it so hard for ppl??? Some of us don't have the time to spend countless hours to breed a perfect pokemon for competitive use! As long as the pokemon doesn't have illegal stats, why the fuck does it matter?? We already paid for your damn game! Now we can't play competitively because we have hacked pokemon..
lolwhat? it isn't hard. Its actually 20x faster than 5th gen. All games demand sacrifice to progress in
+Verlisify Other than the fact that nintendo doesn't approve of it, what's wrong with hacking 'legal' Pokemon into it?
I love Verlis but am i the only one who thinks that this is not helping the problem. I'm not saying that cheating is right but going back and forth is kind of bumming me out
I agree that hacked mons with unattainable abilities or impossible stats should be banned, but I don't see any moral fallacies with having a hacked mon with legitimate properties for battling. Because the focus is on the battling. It doesn't put anyone at an unfair advantage to the contest of skill. Where as if this were say a breeding contest, or strongest wildest Pokémon caught contest, that would be an inexcusable place to use hacked mons, because the competition is directly related to the origins of said Pokémon. The origins of each trainers' Pokémon has nothing to do with how the Pokémon performs in battle, making the rule that there can be no legal hacked mons in these competitions a superfluous one at best. If 2 craftsman made the same piece of furniture, but 1 of them made all of the materials they used from scratch would you consider his finished work to be superior or more proper? No. Because it's not about how it came to be, it's about what the finished product is and how it functions.
Verlis the type of youtuber that states he doesn't like others bringing drama and hate onto his channel whereas he brings hate and drama on everyone else's.
Pokémon is meant to be for fun. If you resort to cheating, there is something wrong with you. Competitive, I mean. In all honesty, when solo you can do whatever you want. But be fair to your community. Please
Verlisify, you are Pokemon's equivalent of Keemstar.
technically you CAN breed hacked pokemon
Those dislikes came from salty hackers... or from people who don't understand the situaiton.
The biggest problem with outlawing breeding from hacked parents- Sometimes you're not going to know they're hacked. Say, you've traded for them over the GTS or you got them via Wondertrade. You can't tell, unless they've got an impossible move or ability or poke-ball. And then, you breed them (because you want to use that pokemon competitively) and then it's not legal, even though you had no idea.
I want to ask a question about obtaining unobtainable Pokemon, if I were to use some device like an action replay to obtain the flute needed for the event of Arceus, but only hack the item but legally generate the RCs above spear pillar in Diamond pearl Platinum, would I be able to transfer that Arceus up without Nintendo having a problem or would they look at that as some danabol violation. Because the Pokemon is technically legitimately in the game. It's just the item to access it it is not. What's the situation there?
I guess that mentioning the Wolfy wasn't using the Raichu for a VGC tournament is going to get 200 arguments started right now
Don't go any deeper into the comments, You will get heart disease from all the salt...
Does anyone know how to stop a channel from showing up in my recommended? I am so sick of seeing this guy crying and whining about the dumbest things. I thought I could get over it and just enjoy the content, but nope. This guy is getting on my nerves and at least 3 of his videos are always in my recommended.
I kinda take pride in spending hours breeding for the perfect pokemon I want. They're my babies that I turn into killing machines and I'm so proud the times I win with them. It's a lot of work, and yeah sometimes it's draining, but once you get that perfect pokemon you train from the ground up, it's the result of your hard work and dedication.
Verlis you have no proof this is just pure speculation please stop targeting Wolfe
Breed a dreamball raichu in a dreamball to a ditto till you get a female…
Alright, so my 5 iv skarmory came from a 6 iv ditto parent...
Now what?? Even if Nintendo claim offsprings coming from illegal parents are "illegal" so what? What can they do about it? Theres no way to tell the difference between an offspring that came from a "legitimate" or illegal parent. The Pokemon Company is just bluffing, they have no way to know the difference, What are they gonna do? Set a requirement for vgc participants that they need to literally show in the pc or pokebank where the original parent came from? So that they can participate? Yeah right.
I feel people hack Pokemon so they don't have to devalue the game by doing tedious amounts of breeding for a team just for an event, and they probably have better things to do with their time. From that stand point, it's understandable why people would hack, but it still puts other players at a disadvantage. Well, I play Pokemon Showdown and I go by smogon's rules anyway, I don't play competitive in the games.
Now I'm fucking scared that like 90% of my pokemon are hacked because they were traded
*People are mad because they want to justify cheating. Just have the balls and say that you cheat to win dammit!! I'm a cheater too but when it comes to competitive and pokedex stuff I play by the RULES*
but how would they know who is the parent of my pokemon? i know its illegal but i dont understand how they do it
Can you guys please watch the fucking video before disliking?!
Allright, thanks for clarifying the breeding stuff in this video... I'm still going to use that 1 Pókemon I bred using a hacked parent. Not breeding new ones with 6 IV hacked parents, though.
Hey Verlis,
I completely agree with you and I am very happy that The Pokemon Company have spoken out on this issue. I just wanted to ask something I feel may be asked. So if parent Pokemon is illegitimate due to being hacked in, all offspring are deemed illegitimate due to their parent being so. As you are probably aware, there are sites that distribute 6 IV Shiny dittos that people use to breed that are more than likely hacked. If the parent Pokemon wasn't hacked but was duplicated using either Powersaves (which I do not use or condone) or the Pokemon Bank method, are they still illegitimate. I think but getting a solid answer from Pokemon on this would finally settle the argument. Please note I am only referring to duplication.
Lastly, as an ambassador of PokeTubers, it would be good to know, how do you breed your Pokemon in order to get 5/6i ivs? Did you go searching for dittos till you found a 5/6 iv ditto or another method. Once again, thank you for getting Pokemon to speak out on this issue and I hope in the future there will be a way to back trace Pokemon to see whether parent Pokemon were hacked in or not, or at least a way to prevent it for Sun and Moon.
I used to be one I stopped all together playing pokemon because I felt ashamed later I restarted and went the legal way in game to reach a great team and I love the fact that I am changed from hacker to legitimate player all the work makes it 10x more rewarding
And yet people won't care about it, because if you use a 6 IV ditto to breed, the pokemon will pass the 'legitimacytests' of the Pokemoncompany
Verlisify. I am a fan of yours but you gotta stop going after every single person who breaks the rules, I'm getting pretty sick of it and I'm sure other people are
I don't understand why there are so many dislikes for this video, you might not like this guy Verlisify, BUT the point is clear, the Pokemon Company states in the rules for vgc play and online play that the use of external devices to obtain Pokemon or Items is not allowed, you cannot argue with that. Until the rules change his point stands.
What's pretty sad is people create hacked Pokemon and they don't have dream balls, they have poke balls
who else wants to see a 1v1 competitive battle between these two?
To the best of my knowledge, everything I use is legal by Game Freak's standards. I have received a few trades of Pokemon in certain balls that I did verify are legal, but I have no way of confirming if they were genned. The majority all originate from Pokemon found in my games or Pokemon hatched from other Pokemon found in my games.
so they make a rule against something that 100% unable to be enforced. if the poke.on itself is hacked you can check for that but if it is bred from hacks without coding info on the parents no way to prove it, and even if they put in data on parents you could just breed down a few more generations past that point. and essentially at that poibt it's 100% legal so long as everything is legit obtainable in game, if you take two hacked 6iv pokemon and breed a 4 iv good hidden power one with all legit stats ball and moves in my opinion that's cool. my comparison would be like children of illegal immigrants in the us, parents aren't citizens but if the kid was born here they are.
I think nintendo should make hacked mons physically unbreedable. Like, for example, if one of the parents is hacked it would not be able to breed even if the other mon is legal.
*Pokémon says you cant breed hacked Pokémon* "LIARS!" And I'm just like, "....."