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He doesnt have half though. That beam of energy that erupted in gow3 was like a goku planet ending kamehahaha. He has some of it, a piece. Of the conceptual power anyways
When you started talking about the spear absorbing the magic, it made so much sense I was shocked thinking like why didn’t I think of this, bro I love this theory 👍
So Zeus drained kratos of the powers that the gods bestowed to him and don't forget some of the weapons and relics have powers tied to them as well Zeus breaking the weapons render them useless and drained kratos of powers that is not even his to begin with and the blades of exile are not broken shouldn't still be lying on the ground
You should look up how the blades of chaos was made. It was made and infused with the fire of basically the greek version of surtr. Surtr is the primordial of fire for the Norse pantheon and the primordial of fire for the greek pantheon was a primordial called “chaos”. Her flames was infused into the blades when it was forged in the underworld hence it being called the blades of chaos. Chaos was basically Zeus grand aunt. She was the sister of Uranus who is the primordial that father cronos who then gathered Zeus and most of the Olympian gods.
The only magical abilities Kratos lost were the ones given to him by other gods... who are now dead. But he can still engulf his body in flames during rage mode. He's still super strong. And he can heal himself from all injury. That sounds like magic to me
No lol. He also lost the god abilities he had when he was the god of war. The version of kratos that had the most magical abilities was the kratos at the beginning of god of war 2. That version of kratos according to the lore had all the abilities from chains of Olympus, ascensions and god of war 1 on top of having all of the abilities of ares which he inherited from ares and also had the abilities he had gained when he first opened Pandora’s box. He also had a magic ability which was gifted to him by Apollo after he was officially crowned god of war. He used this power in the comic. It’s basically a spell that allowed kratos to absorb solar radiation and fire a beam of sun light to vaporize anything infront of him. He used it to vaporize a monster that was the size of an island in that comic. He also had prophetic visions as well which we see in ghost of Sparta which he used to find his mother and Deimos. After Zeus tricked him to absorb his powers into the blade of Olympus he lost all that magical abilities. That version of kratos was so powerful that Zeus literally had to make sure kratos was fully mortal before confronting him. He knew kratos would’ve folded him if he didn’t trick kratos into giving up his powers.
@@uchophamxuan6515i think he didnt became giant because is not partical in battle for him I think Gow 2 begin and Gow 3 it Blade are about the same in powers and magic
Theory: Mabye the reason kratos cant use any of his old magic is because greece no longer exist and the rebuild of the greek world turned it into the roman world. This would be a in game reason why the romans believed in the same gods as the greeks. It would also explain how both kratos cant use his magic while "greece" was rebuild.
i believe your correct while it would still be Greece i believe the reason kratos can't summon the powers is because when he left the few mortals left would have started worshiping the roman versions of the Greek pantheon and also the well known pagan gods of the region so the powers kratos had would have transferred to the new incarnation of that god which is why it took years for the magic to leave him every time a god took up a dominion kratos killed the power transferred into them because kratos was no longer worshipped in Greece
I thought the whole point of the Blades of Chaos were never bond to Greece but the magic is primordial magic that was at the birth place of creation so technically when Greece was destroyed they didn’t lose their magic because it’s from somewhere else 😅
Also they are cursed blades, kind of like how the ash is still on his skin. Just because Greece died and it’s magic died doesn’t mean curses are undone. The blades were cursed to follow Kratos wherever he goes. There is a comic series explaining how kratos got to Midgard and he tries on multiple occasions to get rid of the blades but whenever he sleeps and wakes up they are there waiting for him.
@@Ohkozy The funny thing is, even after coming to Midgard, nobody entirely knows to what extent his immortality will take him. Valhalla seemingly has the ability to take away his immortality. The curse of immortality was a way to make Kratos suffer by forcing him to live through his guilt. But then what would happen if Kratos were to heroically sacrifice himself for someone? Would the immortality protect him? Would it finally leave him? Nobody knows. Not even Kratos.
@@squashmallow2006yea that’s definitely interesting Valhalla was so powerful that it basically took his godhood away upon entering the gates without permission from the Valkyries
I think Zeus took Kratos's powers away at the end of GoW3. After Zeus takes on his spectral form, he sends a blast of energy at Kratos. After which we see all of his weapons and equipment scattered on the ground, presumably rendered useless.
Until Hope revived him. Hope is the blue/white flame that erupts from him. And zeus only disables some of the weapons, Kratos's power is his rage. Thats his nature. Not even Zeus can take it away
@@SmartAss4123 Its nature maybe, but the devine rage stems from the Blades of Chaos and Ares. "The Rage of Ares exploded from within. But soon Kratos would the true cost of such power."
@@vlad_47 No his blades channel divine flames of chaos. His rage is his own power. This is explicitly stated every time he gets a new set of blades. "Let your rage FUEL your blades Kratos"
@@SmartAss4123 It is, but its made explicately clear that both in power and in rage, the Blades provide an massive, "near-olympian" boost. I can go into detail if you want. Without the Blades, Kratos wouldnt ever have developed anything like an "rage mode", he would just some angry and rageful demigod, perhaps with some rage-affiliated strengh boosts sometimes and thats it.
@@vlad_47 Yes the blades help amplify his power when he uses them. But as you can see in Wrath mode Kratos "spartan rage" is actually just his power. He doesnt need the blades. It also is mentioned directly by the developers the more he uses it, the more power he draws. The blades of chaos are weapons made with primordial flames. This gives them numerous properties and pairs quite well with Kratos's rage power
He would one shot everyone at the norse pantheon at the same time! When mimir said Heimdall is far out of reach and kratos said that he killed gods much better than him (implied that he can beat heimdall easier), he meant it! With all of his greece magic, he can destroy Heimdall without draupnir, just his old abilities
07:31 Huh, this could also explain how Kratos was able to surpass Heimdall foresight. Yes, the spartan training and own power is a big factor, but that absorption ability both from him and the spear could also contribute to that victory.
It would be so cool for the first half of the next game to be a quest Atreus goes on in 1 mythology then ends up meeting kratos half way thru the game where we continue playing as kratos with Atreus in another mithology
I love the idea of the orbs being a real thing and not just a game mechanic. The greek gods steal or give away power left and right throughout the whole series, while the Norse gods rely on their own power and try to shine the most in their specific powers. They are very competitive, with their very afterlife even being based on combat. Plus, the idea of Kratos absorbing things like magic power from an enemy, or absorbing life essence in order for him to heal from any wounds he sustained in battles, plus taking the literal blood of his enemies to make his weapons stronger. Lorewise, that all makes so much sense for Kratos. He was the "God of Strength" first (if you consider actual Mythology sources of "Cratos" even if that's not canon in God of War) and God of War second. So naturally his power would be to take power and make himself the strongest their is. He literally wills himself to be the strongest because he has lost the most. He needs to be stronger so he can finally win at something, or to compensate for being too weak before to save his loved ones from corrupt gods.
@@memersnas8684 Yeah I agree, but like the majority of GOW characters it’s loosely based off the original mythology with Santa Monica’s own spin. I personally have always seen Kratos as a god that possesses so much strength he can defeat pantheons. Also God of Strength wouldn’t be as catchy of a title as God of War
@@memersnas8684 which further proves my point of loosely basing it off the mythos with a SMS spin on it my dude haha he was never known as a god of war or going to Norse pantheons but SMS still kept that aspect of him being strong! It’s never addressed in the series but that doesn’t mean they didn’t keep him from not having that god like ability
@@nickolasemenger9000god of strenght but how could he defeat all the gods that easily with no effort. Zeus had much more power he had thunderbolts lightning speed anf such and lost
I'll be honest. When you suggested that the orbs weren't just a game mechanic and were actually an integral part of the lore I rolled my eyes all the way to the back of my head, ready to dismiss this entire video. But after listening to the end, I have to admit you turned me into a believer. You built a strong case that I have no choice but to accept it. Kudos.
I like to think that the power of hope was similar to the power of the blades of chaos. That the power of hope is bound to the individual and not to the homeland.
@@jordansimeonov1501the literal concept was in that box aka the source of all hope. Kratos became said concept after inheriting its power but gave up most of it to save humanity while the source remained in him. It was just building power over the years between gow 3 and 2018. Bruno valezquez stated the power of hope was the literal concept of hope which was what made kratos a full god in the first place. It gave all of kratos god abilities he had at the beginning of god of war 2 including the ability to turn into a giant. It also had the ability to generate the flame of Olympus from kratos hands. It’s basically like the hope entity of the blue lanterns in dc comics.
Perfect Ares Armor + has the effect of high chances drop of health and rage stones, besides make health also fill rage meter and creating big explosion when absorbed, the fact that it belongs to ares armor contributes to this theory
i got a quick theory about this since we learn that when atreus didnt know about his godly lineage , couldnt really use his powers , only once almost replicating his fathers spartan rage perhaps kratos believes that the greek pantheon is extinct and destroyed completly , making it so he cant use his powers while others like odin , just not knowing the full picture that there are still humans and gods left in there
He might have too much red obs so when he goes in to rage it's a reddish aura meaning his overflowing with it and that's why he don't use rage because it makes him too powerful
I think after valhalla kratos can summon the blade of olympus. It's not the same blade during greek saga but more of manifestation form of his power of hope that still inside of kratos. Valhalla and Tyr made kratos discover what's really within him after all
this is something i noticed from the get go, mainly when I was vs debating and theorizing about the game, Kratos never lost the power of hope and in fact, he secretes it like an aura, just look at everybody who has come in contact with him.
Kratos's first dialogue ever: "The gods of olympis have abandoned me. There is no hope." Very last in Valhalla: "What does that make me? The god of fools? The god of.... Hope. When all else is lost. **monologue chastizing younger self alluding to self growth**"
At 3:30 I thought surtr in the story heavily implied it didn't matter what happened to kratos home because the blades of chaos are imbued with primordial fire
not gonna lie but this guy's intro is the best into i've seen in all of my life don't change it its really busting me nut everytime i listen to it god dayumm it's fire
2:30 My best take? It's cuz Greece may be rebuilt, but it ain't the same old Greece anymore. There may be new kinds of magic out there, but Kratos would have to go there to acquire them. It's like, if your PS5 broke, and then you got an XBOX Series X. Sure, you can play games, but you probably won't be able to play your PS5 games any longer. You'd have to stick to only your XBOX.
He did lose his powers, but for some reason or another, certainly not that what Freya, an foreign god has theorized, that so many just take as some confirmation. In the in-game lore about Wisps its described how magic flows through the Nine Realms. Thats how it works there, the magic is bound to nature. In Greek world all significant magic and power is bound to dieties or comes from them. Freya doesnt know this and cant make an confirmation on this. The Blades of Chaos still work cause no one destroyed Chaos or Tartarus, simple as that. And the Blade of Olympus also was shown to glow and work just fine after Zeus' death. Not to mention the elephant in the room, that in the Greek world Gaia is the Earth. Literally. All power isnt bound to Gaia nor does it depend on her well-being. Kratos didnt agree or confirm Freya's statement at all cause he knows it doesnt add up. As for his olympian GoW powers, its gone and over. Thats Kratos true peak, anyone who truly got familiar with the immense powers that an God of Olympus wielded, in the Novels knows this. The power that Kratos inherited from Ares, the "meta-physical" responsibilities that Helios talked about. Pretty sure Kratos wont ever see WW2 and Iraq in our real life universe again, if you catch my drift lol. Whatever role or mantle Kratos now takes on in Freya's council, will be symbolic as Mimir put it.
@@DiosDivine He developed along the trajectory of a fallen god. As an Olympian, he got more powerful with every passing moment. Youre clearly not in the position to challenge me on anything I said, so crawl back where you came from and be careful who you accuse of bs.
The reason why the Blades of Chaos still have power left in it is because it was made from Primordial Fire, which is one of many foundational forms of power that led to the creation of all the pantheons. All the other weapons Kratos had were made by Greece's own capabilities, and those weapons were connected to Greece.
The primordial fire is in the blade. And primordial fire is in every world. In every. . . land. . So even if greek has been destroyed, it shouldn't affect the blade.
I believe it is with the power of hope that he is manifesting the sword now.... In God of war 3 we see the flames of hope burned with a bright blue which just so happens to coincide with the color of the blade of olympus....
The blades of chaos have primordial fire, its not simple magic, even surtr had the same fire in ragnarok it wont go away just because greece was presumed to be destroyed because the primordial fire exists everywhere
Valhalla kinda confirmed that the power of Hope are still within Kratos but he just don't know, hell, after his redemption arc, he is the embodiment of Hope and it is his godhood now, no longer a bloodthirsty God of War that doesn't care about anything except his goals. Which is why i believe his next game will be called God of Hope, Valhalla is the end of the Ghost of Sparta and also a new beginning for something truly better.
Fair points but if this is the case then they would need to have Kratos come upon a blue orb / blue stone and absorb it and accidentally use one of the many powers he acquired in Olympus. It would confirm the theory yes but also confirm that the orbs/stones are canon things (in the games, where they're never really mentioned and only play a role as game mechanics). The thing is, no other god from the 9 realms of norse mythology is ever seen using orbs or stones to power up, which means Mimir would notice Kratos doing such a unique thing, even if he can't see the stones, i.e. "Brother, I've noticed in combat, you sometimes go to specific places, outside of the enemies' range, and stomp the ground. What's that about?" The fact Mimir does not mention anything of the sort, ever, is a fairly big hole in this theory. Also, while the orbs may have been canonized by the books, they were a thing specific to Greece, and they do not imply that the stones in the 9 realms are also canon. Plus, Atreus can also absorb health and rage stones, and never in the greek mythology has it been the case that a god's offsprint inherited their power. They all get fairly random powers. Gods in the norse mythology do inherit similar powers, yes, but Atreus is born of a Greek god and a Norse non-god. It wouldn't make sense for him to work like a Norse god. He has nothing to do with the Norse gods aside from the meta information we as players have, that Loki was a god in the norse mythology. He's not aesir, he's not vanir. He's greek. I can't see a way to shoehorn the theory into working with both Mimir never mentioning that Kratos stomps the ground randomly, Atreus also being able to absorb health and rage, and without the developers ever making Kratos find a blue orb and releasing an old power (could be a subtle thing even, like causing rain with Poseidon's power after encountering a blue orb/stone in Tyr's vault, but we see no such thing)
Do the gods need blue orbs though? Considering how often they spam their magic in fights it does seem they can at least regenerate it naturally. Not to mention the rage of the gods power they give to kratos can grant infinite magic. I know kratos as a god in ghost of sparda and the beginning of 2 needed blue orbs but i figured that was a gameplay mechanic.
@jhevgainz2307 that can't be true their are other Greek gods he didn't kill multiple and im not talking about just irl one that are in the pantheon even in gow lore there are some gods we dont meet that are still alive so all the gods aren't dead nore are the people that lived there
I think it's because Hope is something different from the magic of Greece, the blades of chaos the only thing that seems to be intact is stated how it's made with primordial flames/magic which seems to be something different from the regular magic from the other weapons and isn't linked to Greece. The emotions like hope and the many more sinister evil from the box might not be as linked to Olympus/Greece compared to the rest. They can very well of existed as separated from Greek and the Olympians. Primordial energy seems to exist in the different mythologies/pantheon granted so does magic but it seems the games make a certain distinction between each pantheons magic but with the primordial magic it seems as if there isn't much distinction since Surtur is still able to use it with no issue. But idk I might need to clean up on my knowledge of the lore or something
Let's reiterate some things Kratos put all his powers in the blade of olympus, had to go back in time to stop Zeus from killing him, but he still died (there was 2 "Kratoses") he takes back the blade but I'm pretty sure he didn't 'take back' his powers. He then dies again, loosing yet again whatever power he got, proceeds to steal a fraction of other gods's powers/weapons then all his weapons got destroyed against zeus. The blades of chaos were still in the god of war temple so when olympus was completely wiped out they started following Kratos. Greece being destroyed or not literally has nothing to do with that. I don't even know how is he still a "god" after he lost his powers that many times but he never losses hope. There is some serious nonsense with the storyline since it became godofboi.
I think the only powers that kratos got back was the essence of his past self when he got the blade from the past and he did not get Zeus's Powers at all just his own
I love the explanation for it all but do you also think Valhalla could potentially restore his powers like the blade of Olympus! It could be tied down to his memory’s! And since his homeland died so did the hell of Olympus?! Love your videos!👍🏾
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What makes you think the blades wouldn’t work. The blades are made from primal fire. It was already stated and it’s the only weapon with that kind of power
I thought he couldn’t call his old magic because he believed his homeland was gone like how Atreus believed he was mortal and became sick/weak because of it, if someone truly believes in something it can become more than thought I guess.
I have a question if Kratos leads an army again could they be his own remake of Spartans or will it be a variety of different warriors? Because it seems like there aiming to call him the God of Hope
Kratos is confirmed to be a complete god in the latest versions. You should remember that Atreus is also confirmed to be a god, so Kratos must definitely be a god
Kratos didn’t loose his magic he simply realized that the magic weapons no longer work without Zeus with the exception of hope and the blades of chaos. Kratos was on the verge of creating a fully unique concept yet lacked a full nuance of such a concept, kratos is in a sense discipline the hope that through chaos one comes out better than when they enter
Tyrs whole purpose was to show and get kratos to realize he still has hope in himself. Can’t wait for the next time we see kratos. The next time we see kratos it will probably be the strongest version of kratos we’ve seen because the next time we see him he’s probably have mastered all the abilities that comes with the power of hope. Even stronger than end of god of war 3 kratos. The only ability we really got to see from the power of hope was the ability to wield the blue flames of Olympus which we see kratos summon on his hands after he kills Zeus. That flame was so powerful that no god could touch it. I wonder what other abilities the power of hope gives. Cory and Bruno valezquez confirmed that the ability to turn giant is also an ability that is given by the power of hope. So that’s two abilities we know of so far.
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I more or less agree with you, except about the spear. I always thought the absorption came from the concept of the wind that Brok took on the journey to the Lady.
Even the original creator of the original god of war game is not happy with what Cory baldog is doing with kratos, kratos supposed to be a mix of wolverine spawn, ect he shouldn't be tamed soft docile emasculated and humiliated like he is in GOW 2018 and ragnarok
He just no longer has the magical energies to use these powers because these Powers require magical energies for them to work and since the Norse realms doesn't have that type of magic it definitely explains why he can't use his old magic anymore because it doesn't have the right type of magical energies to even use it anyway meaning he still has those abilities but without the magical energy to use them then he can't use any of them most of the items and weapons he has he doesn't have those weapons anymore
Though Kratos Regaining The Blade Of Olympus in a way Means That he Should Have Atleast Some of His Original Godlike Power Back Just Not the Powers That he was Given By The Olympian Gods nor His Army Of Spartans i mean the Divine Power Base that all The Olympians Have that Granted Them There Godlike Status Like God of war 1 The Power That Athena Gave Kratos that Made him Into the God of war Could Theoretically Still be Contained in the Blade of Olympus Otherwise How Could The Blade of Olympus Have any Power Left for Kratos to be able to Wield it Even if it is Just a Memmory
This was my idea the whole time He gets magic but not the right type of magic to use it, Kinda like trying to use a American plug in another country, Won't work.
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I think Valhalla has made it blatantly clear that he still has Hope. I got question, what's half a concept? Still a concept!
I don't think it was blatantly clear, but clear enough...
Smth mimir would say
He doesnt have half though. That beam of energy that erupted in gow3 was like a goku planet ending kamehahaha. He has some of it, a piece. Of the conceptual power anyways
He spread hope to everyone, including himself.
And considering he’s a god, it probably manifests differently in him than it would someone else.
@@moistfist1054 Go rewatch gow3 ending and tell me if you missed the eruption of pure energy literally in beam of pure power and light
When you started talking about the spear absorbing the magic, it made so much sense I was shocked thinking like why didn’t I think of this, bro I love this theory 👍
I'm glad you do!!
So Zeus drained kratos of the powers that the gods bestowed to him and don't forget some of the weapons and relics have powers tied to them as well Zeus breaking the weapons render them useless and drained kratos of powers that is not even his to begin with and the blades of exile are not broken shouldn't still be lying on the ground
Exactly at first I thought he was spouting bullshit only for it to start sounding like straight facts a few seconds later
3:24 The blades of chaos are made with primordial fire, fire that existed before the pantheons. That means they can work anywhere at any time.
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You should look up how the blades of chaos was made. It was made and infused with the fire of basically the greek version of surtr. Surtr is the primordial of fire for the Norse pantheon and the primordial of fire for the greek pantheon was a primordial called “chaos”. Her flames was infused into the blades when it was forged in the underworld hence it being called the blades of chaos. Chaos was basically Zeus grand aunt. She was the sister of Uranus who is the primordial that father cronos who then gathered Zeus and most of the Olympian gods.
But the blades chaos have of ares in the god of war but when Kratos goes to the Zeus in the third game doesn’t mean that it can work for everyone
The only magical abilities Kratos lost were the ones given to him by other gods... who are now dead. But he can still engulf his body in flames during rage mode. He's still super strong. And he can heal himself from all injury. That sounds like magic to me
no that's his own godly power.
No lol. He also lost the god abilities he had when he was the god of war. The version of kratos that had the most magical abilities was the kratos at the beginning of god of war 2. That version of kratos according to the lore had all the abilities from chains of Olympus, ascensions and god of war 1 on top of having all of the abilities of ares which he inherited from ares and also had the abilities he had gained when he first opened Pandora’s box. He also had a magic ability which was gifted to him by Apollo after he was officially crowned god of war. He used this power in the comic. It’s basically a spell that allowed kratos to absorb solar radiation and fire a beam of sun light to vaporize anything infront of him. He used it to vaporize a monster that was the size of an island in that comic. He also had prophetic visions as well which we see in ghost of Sparta which he used to find his mother and Deimos. After Zeus tricked him to absorb his powers into the blade of Olympus he lost all that magical abilities. That version of kratos was so powerful that Zeus literally had to make sure kratos was fully mortal before confronting him. He knew kratos would’ve folded him if he didn’t trick kratos into giving up his powers.
@@calebstephan2083he lost Ares's increase size magic. If he is made normal again he shouldn't have the capability to use the BoO in GoW3
@@uchophamxuan6515i think he didnt became giant because is not partical in battle for him
I think Gow 2 begin and Gow 3 it Blade are about the same in powers and magic
Theory:
Mabye the reason kratos cant use any of his old magic is because greece no longer exist and the rebuild of the greek world turned it into the roman world. This would be a in game reason why the romans believed in the same gods as the greeks. It would also explain how both kratos cant use his magic while "greece" was rebuild.
i believe your correct while it would still be Greece i believe the reason kratos can't summon the powers is because when he left the few mortals left would have started worshiping the roman versions of the Greek pantheon and also the well known pagan gods of the region so the powers kratos had would have transferred to the new incarnation of that god which is why it took years for the magic to leave him every time a god took up a dominion kratos killed the power transferred into them because kratos was no longer worshipped in Greece
I thought the whole point of the Blades of Chaos were never bond to Greece but the magic is primordial magic that was at the birth place of creation so technically when Greece was destroyed they didn’t lose their magic because it’s from somewhere else 😅
Also they are cursed blades, kind of like how the ash is still on his skin. Just because Greece died and it’s magic died doesn’t mean curses are undone. The blades were cursed to follow Kratos wherever he goes. There is a comic series explaining how kratos got to Midgard and he tries on multiple occasions to get rid of the blades but whenever he sleeps and wakes up they are there waiting for him.
@@bigoof4453 very true I think people don’t understand he is still cursed with immortality and can’t fully die he will always come back
@@Ohkozy The funny thing is, even after coming to Midgard, nobody entirely knows to what extent his immortality will take him. Valhalla seemingly has the ability to take away his immortality. The curse of immortality was a way to make Kratos suffer by forcing him to live through his guilt. But then what would happen if Kratos were to heroically sacrifice himself for someone? Would the immortality protect him? Would it finally leave him? Nobody knows. Not even Kratos.
@@squashmallow2006yea that’s definitely interesting Valhalla was so powerful that it basically took his godhood away upon entering the gates without permission from the Valkyries
@@Ohkozy And the time he broke Valhalla. It was ready to kill him too.
I think Zeus took Kratos's powers away at the end of GoW3. After Zeus takes on his spectral form, he sends a blast of energy at Kratos. After which we see all of his weapons and equipment scattered on the ground, presumably rendered useless.
Until Hope revived him. Hope is the blue/white flame that erupts from him.
And zeus only disables some of the weapons, Kratos's power is his rage. Thats his nature. Not even Zeus can take it away
@@SmartAss4123 Its nature maybe, but the devine rage stems from the Blades of Chaos and Ares.
"The Rage of Ares exploded from within. But soon Kratos would the true cost of such power."
@@vlad_47 No his blades channel divine flames of chaos. His rage is his own power. This is explicitly stated every time he gets a new set of blades.
"Let your rage FUEL your blades Kratos"
@@SmartAss4123 It is, but its made explicately clear that both in power and in rage, the Blades provide an massive, "near-olympian" boost.
I can go into detail if you want.
Without the Blades, Kratos wouldnt ever have developed anything like an "rage mode", he would just some angry and rageful demigod, perhaps with some rage-affiliated strengh boosts sometimes and thats it.
@@vlad_47 Yes the blades help amplify his power when he uses them.
But as you can see in Wrath mode Kratos "spartan rage" is actually just his power. He doesnt need the blades. It also is mentioned directly by the developers the more he uses it, the more power he draws.
The blades of chaos are weapons made with primordial flames. This gives them numerous properties and pairs quite well with Kratos's rage power
Can you imagine how crazy powerful kratos would be if he had all his Greek powers 😂
he'd be so powerful I'd love to see that lightning Aoe attack in the games it'd be awesome
@@shadowslayer2929 poseidon's rage
"I WILL MAKE YOU SUFFER!" "NONE SHALL DEFY ME!" "I AM THE GOD OF WAR!"
@@ivonnesaysmiau ah nostalgia
@@ivonnesaysmiau I loved gow2
He would one shot everyone at the norse pantheon at the same time! When mimir said Heimdall is far out of reach and kratos said that he killed gods much better than him (implied that he can beat heimdall easier), he meant it! With all of his greece magic, he can destroy Heimdall without draupnir, just his old abilities
When you mentioned the Greek foes and the spear siphoning I was SHOCKED makes so much sense now why did I think of this? Wonderful video! ❤
07:31 Huh, this could also explain how Kratos was able to surpass Heimdall foresight. Yes, the spartan training and own power is a big factor, but that absorption ability both from him and the spear could also contribute to that victory.
I actually made a video about that. Go check it out!!
The reason the blades still worked was answered in Ragnorok when surtr said they were primordial.
It would be so cool for the first half of the next game to be a quest Atreus goes on in 1 mythology then ends up meeting kratos half way thru the game where we continue playing as kratos with Atreus in another mithology
I love the idea of the orbs being a real thing and not just a game mechanic. The greek gods steal or give away power left and right throughout the whole series, while the Norse gods rely on their own power and try to shine the most in their specific powers. They are very competitive, with their very afterlife even being based on combat. Plus, the idea of Kratos absorbing things like magic power from an enemy, or absorbing life essence in order for him to heal from any wounds he sustained in battles, plus taking the literal blood of his enemies to make his weapons stronger. Lorewise, that all makes so much sense for Kratos. He was the "God of Strength" first (if you consider actual Mythology sources of "Cratos" even if that's not canon in God of War) and God of War second. So naturally his power would be to take power and make himself the strongest their is. He literally wills himself to be the strongest because he has lost the most. He needs to be stronger so he can finally win at something, or to compensate for being too weak before to save his loved ones from corrupt gods.
I feel like a lot of people forget that in Greek mythology Kratos is the god of STRENGTH so it makes sense why he’s able to perform so many beat downs
Not spelled the same and far too different from the mythological counterpart to really compare them
@@memersnas8684 Yeah I agree, but like the majority of GOW characters it’s loosely based off the original mythology with Santa Monica’s own spin. I personally have always seen Kratos as a god that possesses so much strength he can defeat pantheons. Also God of Strength wouldn’t be as catchy of a title as God of War
@@nickolasemenger9000 but Kratos was never meant to be seen as an already existing mythological character
@@memersnas8684 which further proves my point of loosely basing it off the mythos with a SMS spin on it my dude haha he was never known as a god of war or going to Norse pantheons but SMS still kept that aspect of him being strong! It’s never addressed in the series but that doesn’t mean they didn’t keep him from not having that god like ability
@@nickolasemenger9000god of strenght but how could he defeat all the gods that easily with no effort. Zeus had much more power he had thunderbolts lightning speed anf such and lost
I'll be honest. When you suggested that the orbs weren't just a game mechanic and were actually an integral part of the lore I rolled my eyes all the way to the back of my head, ready to dismiss this entire video.
But after listening to the end, I have to admit you turned me into a believer. You built a strong case that I have no choice but to accept it. Kudos.
I like to think that the power of hope was similar to the power of the blades of chaos. That the power of hope is bound to the individual and not to the homeland.
A great theory!!
There must be more to it. Poseidon said that the death of Olympos will be the death of all gods. But Athena didn't look worried at the end of GoW3.
I think the power of hope was most given to his people to rebuild and the power of hope was slowly being build back up during the Norse games
It’s a concept realised in the game in the form of the power athena put in the box;
“The power” is to believe in yourself
@@jordansimeonov1501the literal concept was in that box aka the source of all hope. Kratos became said concept after inheriting its power but gave up most of it to save humanity while the source remained in him. It was just building power over the years between gow 3 and 2018. Bruno valezquez stated the power of hope was the literal concept of hope which was what made kratos a full god in the first place. It gave all of kratos god abilities he had at the beginning of god of war 2 including the ability to turn into a giant. It also had the ability to generate the flame of Olympus from kratos hands. It’s basically like the hope entity of the blue lanterns in dc comics.
@@calebstephan2083 Nicely said
Perfect Ares Armor + has the effect of high chances drop of health and rage stones, besides make health also fill rage meter and creating big explosion when absorbed, the fact that it belongs to ares armor contributes to this theory
i got a quick theory about this
since we learn that when atreus didnt know about his godly lineage , couldnt really use his powers , only once almost replicating his fathers spartan rage
perhaps kratos believes that the greek pantheon is extinct and destroyed completly , making it so he cant use his powers
while others like odin , just not knowing the full picture that there are still humans and gods left in there
Tbh I was hoping for a red orbs cameo or something in the dlc😂
He might have too much red obs so when he goes in to rage it's a reddish aura meaning his overflowing with it and that's why he don't use rage because it makes him too powerful
So Kratos himself became the Pandora's box, not bound by any pantheon or God but by himself
I think after valhalla kratos can summon the blade of olympus. It's not the same blade during greek saga but more of manifestation form of his power of hope that still inside of kratos. Valhalla and Tyr made kratos discover what's really within him after all
The intro is sick ! Is there a full version ?
this is something i noticed from the get go, mainly when I was vs debating and theorizing about the game, Kratos never lost the power of hope and in fact, he secretes it like an aura, just look at everybody who has come in contact with him.
Is there a way I can listen to the the intro you have over and over again?
Kratos's first dialogue ever: "The gods of olympis have abandoned me. There is no hope."
Very last in Valhalla: "What does that make me? The god of fools? The god of.... Hope. When all else is lost. **monologue chastizing younger self alluding to self growth**"
5:18 so on top of all his powers, he also had bear hands. Damn, dude was OP.
At 3:30 I thought surtr in the story heavily implied it didn't matter what happened to kratos home because the blades of chaos are imbued with primordial fire
not gonna lie but this guy's intro is the best into i've seen in all of my life don't change it its really busting me nut everytime i listen to it god dayumm it's fire
Wow it is so simple, yet so brilliant! I love it!
1:01 i think he only knows who kratos is and what he did and not about greece
2:30 My best take? It's cuz Greece may be rebuilt, but it ain't the same old Greece anymore. There may be new kinds of magic out there, but Kratos would have to go there to acquire them. It's like, if your PS5 broke, and then you got an XBOX Series X. Sure, you can play games, but you probably won't be able to play your PS5 games any longer. You'd have to stick to only your XBOX.
So you assume that Kratos can use the Blade of Olympus again because he reabsorbed this power from the memories Valhalla used? 🤨
Possibly
He did lose his powers, but for some reason or another, certainly not that what Freya, an foreign god has theorized, that so many just take as some confirmation.
In the in-game lore about Wisps its described how magic flows through the Nine Realms.
Thats how it works there, the magic is bound to nature.
In Greek world all significant magic and power is bound to dieties or comes from them. Freya doesnt know this and cant make an confirmation on this. The Blades of Chaos still work cause no one destroyed Chaos or Tartarus, simple as that.
And the Blade of Olympus also was shown to glow and work just fine after Zeus' death.
Not to mention the elephant in the room, that in the Greek world Gaia is the Earth. Literally. All power isnt bound to Gaia nor does it depend on her well-being.
Kratos didnt agree or confirm Freya's statement at all cause he knows it doesnt add up.
As for his olympian GoW powers, its gone and over. Thats Kratos true peak, anyone who truly got familiar with the immense powers that an God of Olympus wielded, in the Novels knows this.
The power that Kratos inherited from Ares, the "meta-physical" responsibilities that Helios talked about.
Pretty sure Kratos wont ever see WW2 and Iraq in our real life universe again, if you catch my drift lol.
Whatever role or mantle Kratos now takes on in Freya's council, will be symbolic as Mimir put it.
Yeah at the end of the first game it looks like he sees everything to the present.
Norse kratos has surpassed his "peak" btw. Grew stronger as he aged so stop bullshittin on that.
@@DiosDivine He developed along the trajectory of a fallen god. As an Olympian, he got more powerful with every passing moment.
Youre clearly not in the position to challenge me on anything I said, so crawl back where you came from and be careful who you accuse of bs.
The reason why the Blades of Chaos still have power left in it is because it was made from Primordial Fire, which is one of many foundational forms of power that led to the creation of all the pantheons. All the other weapons Kratos had were made by Greece's own capabilities, and those weapons were connected to Greece.
The roman mythology taking over the gap left by greek pantheon and rebuilding Greece would be so cool.
Ay shout to that one spartan who wasn’t afraid of the fates
The primordial fire is in the blade. And primordial fire is in every world. In every. . . land. .
So even if greek has been destroyed, it shouldn't affect the blade.
I believe it is with the power of hope that he is manifesting the sword now.... In God of war 3 we see the flames of hope burned with a bright blue which just so happens to coincide with the color of the blade of olympus....
The blades of Olympus are still there because they were forged in Tartarus or the upper places of Tartarus like Hades
The blades of chaos have primordial fire, its not simple magic, even surtr had the same fire in ragnarok it wont go away just because greece was presumed to be destroyed because the primordial fire exists everywhere
holy shit this was such a good video, kratos' magic meter is literally just empty
Wow so kratos is basically a swole violet Kirby. 😂. Man you are the best. I’m here for when you have 1 million subscribers
Valhalla kinda confirmed that the power of Hope are still within Kratos but he just don't know, hell, after his redemption arc, he is the embodiment of Hope and it is his godhood now, no longer a bloodthirsty God of War that doesn't care about anything except his goals. Which is why i believe his next game will be called God of Hope, Valhalla is the end of the Ghost of Sparta and also a new beginning for something truly better.
He knew the whole time accept until gow3 he had the power of hope why else would he declares himself as a god?
Fair points but if this is the case then they would need to have Kratos come upon a blue orb / blue stone and absorb it and accidentally use one of the many powers he acquired in Olympus. It would confirm the theory yes but also confirm that the orbs/stones are canon things (in the games, where they're never really mentioned and only play a role as game mechanics).
The thing is, no other god from the 9 realms of norse mythology is ever seen using orbs or stones to power up, which means Mimir would notice Kratos doing such a unique thing, even if he can't see the stones, i.e. "Brother, I've noticed in combat, you sometimes go to specific places, outside of the enemies' range, and stomp the ground. What's that about?"
The fact Mimir does not mention anything of the sort, ever, is a fairly big hole in this theory.
Also, while the orbs may have been canonized by the books, they were a thing specific to Greece, and they do not imply that the stones in the 9 realms are also canon.
Plus, Atreus can also absorb health and rage stones, and never in the greek mythology has it been the case that a god's offsprint inherited their power. They all get fairly random powers. Gods in the norse mythology do inherit similar powers, yes, but Atreus is born of a Greek god and a Norse non-god. It wouldn't make sense for him to work like a Norse god. He has nothing to do with the Norse gods aside from the meta information we as players have, that Loki was a god in the norse mythology. He's not aesir, he's not vanir. He's greek.
I can't see a way to shoehorn the theory into working with both Mimir never mentioning that Kratos stomps the ground randomly, Atreus also being able to absorb health and rage, and without the developers ever making Kratos find a blue orb and releasing an old power (could be a subtle thing even, like causing rain with Poseidon's power after encountering a blue orb/stone in Tyr's vault, but we see no such thing)
That could show that he mentally and emotionally healing sins journeys with a Trias and a bit more through being in Valhalla
Do the gods need blue orbs though? Considering how often they spam their magic in fights it does seem they can at least regenerate it naturally. Not to mention the rage of the gods power they give to kratos can grant infinite magic. I know kratos as a god in ghost of sparda and the beginning of 2 needed blue orbs but i figured that was a gameplay mechanic.
The gods activated infinite magic what u can fo as well...
Exar kun in the old star wars expanded universe had the ability of knowledge and power absortion
My theory is that his greek powers only work in greece that's why he can't use them in scandinavia
I thought that too but now that Mortal Kombat 9 is canon in God of War, it proves that Kratos can use his absorption powers outside of Greece.
Not it’s because the pantheon as a concept died off so the magic died. The power of hope is more primordial than even the primordial beings
@jhevgainz2307 that can't be true their are other Greek gods he didn't kill multiple and im not talking about just irl one that are in the pantheon even in gow lore there are some gods we dont meet that are still alive so all the gods aren't dead nore are the people that lived there
4:54 wait where does it say about the orbs?
how about the blade of olympus that contained kratos' god of war power?
seen that in the wiki
What about it
I think it's because Hope is something different from the magic of Greece, the blades of chaos the only thing that seems to be intact is stated how it's made with primordial flames/magic which seems to be something different from the regular magic from the other weapons and isn't linked to Greece.
The emotions like hope and the many more sinister evil from the box might not be as linked to Olympus/Greece compared to the rest. They can very well of existed as separated from Greek and the Olympians.
Primordial energy seems to exist in the different mythologies/pantheon granted so does magic but it seems the games make a certain distinction between each pantheons magic but with the primordial magic it seems as if there isn't much distinction since Surtur is still able to use it with no issue.
But idk I might need to clean up on my knowledge of the lore or something
I director confirmed he gave a lot back to the people of Greece and he still has some for himself
Let's reiterate some things
Kratos put all his powers in the blade of olympus, had to go back in time to stop Zeus from killing him, but he still died (there was 2 "Kratoses") he takes back the blade but I'm pretty sure he didn't 'take back' his powers. He then dies again, loosing yet again whatever power he got, proceeds to steal a fraction of other gods's powers/weapons then all his weapons got destroyed against zeus. The blades of chaos were still in the god of war temple so when olympus was completely wiped out they started following Kratos. Greece being destroyed or not literally has nothing to do with that. I don't even know how is he still a "god" after he lost his powers that many times but he never losses hope. There is some serious nonsense with the storyline since it became godofboi.
I think the only powers that kratos got back was the essence of his past self when he got the blade from the past and he did not get Zeus's Powers at all just his own
I like this whole season and absorption business because it reminds me of one Zeus killed an ate Athena’s mother
Yeah I was thinking of the drop near spear
I love the explanation for it all but do you also think Valhalla could potentially restore his powers like the blade of Olympus! It could be tied down to his memory’s! And since his homeland died so did the hell of Olympus?! Love your videos!👍🏾
Maybe I was thinking of the drop in your spare because of his blood that was used in it
I like to think that when they say, "rebuild," that the survivors of Greece remained their land into Rome
They need to explain why orbs no longer exksy lmao and bring them back when kratos presses circle on freya or Thor's wife
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What’s the song in the background called with the humming
The only reason why the blades of chaos still works in the Norse realm is because they're forged with primordial fire and chaos
What makes you think the blades wouldn’t work. The blades are made from primal fire. It was already stated and it’s the only weapon with that kind of power
Exactly why the blades were the only thing that could produce fire in Hel.
Bro, i believe in every word you said in this video
I thought he couldn’t call his old magic because he believed his homeland was gone like how Atreus believed he was mortal and became sick/weak because of it, if someone truly believes in something it can become more than thought I guess.
I have a question if Kratos leads an army again could they be his own remake of Spartans or will it be a variety of different warriors? Because it seems like there aiming to call him the God of Hope
Kratos is confirmed to be a complete god in the latest versions. You should remember that Atreus is also confirmed to be a god, so Kratos must definitely be a god
Except atreus must be a demigod because his mother is a giant
Kratos didn’t loose his magic he simply realized that the magic weapons no longer work without Zeus with the exception of hope and the blades of chaos. Kratos was on the verge of creating a fully unique concept yet lacked a full nuance of such a concept, kratos is in a sense discipline the hope that through chaos one comes out better than when they enter
I know, but I am your monster no longer
-Kratos GoW2018
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Kratos fr just needs a protein shake of blue orbs and phoenix feathers
Army of sparta is a magic attack from a weapon its not like a magic attack that comes directly from the gods
whats the name of the music in the background?
What is the name of the song in the intro plz?
Ah so he simply went OOM
Hope being a power/concept hybrid I'll take it since apparently the devs confirmed it, but the whole "power of absorption" thing sounds whack.
Tyrs whole purpose was to show and get kratos to realize he still has hope in himself. Can’t wait for the next time we see kratos. The next time we see kratos it will probably be the strongest version of kratos we’ve seen because the next time we see him he’s probably have mastered all the abilities that comes with the power of hope. Even stronger than end of god of war 3 kratos. The only ability we really got to see from the power of hope was the ability to wield the blue flames of Olympus which we see kratos summon on his hands after he kills Zeus. That flame was so powerful that no god could touch it. I wonder what other abilities the power of hope gives. Cory and Bruno valezquez confirmed that the ability to turn giant is also an ability that is given by the power of hope. So that’s two abilities we know of so far.
Very interesting points you make! I’m excited to see what happens next as well.
Totaly agreeing wigh you
I have a new theory about Kratos’s blades if he was to die and his blades didn’t suck up that power they would be weekend
This theory is accurate; think of hei dall , how he got weaker....and weaker...till he slipped and kratos hit him
What is the intro songs name?
Wats the name of the intro song
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I more or less agree with you, except about the spear. I always thought the absorption came from the concept of the wind that Brok took on the journey to the Lady.
4:20 sooo kratos is a saiyan…..cool..
And that means Poseidons trident Hades helm of darkness and Zeus‘s master bolt should also still be there
Calling kratos only a demigod is outrageous? Yes story wise he's half mortal so that explains why it took him killing a God to be considered one
What about the infinite magic trick in GOW1 did he get nerfed?
If kratos have power to transform norse magic into greek magic he can be just or even stronger than himself in the end of gow 3
Even the original creator of the original god of war game is not happy with what Cory baldog is doing with kratos, kratos supposed to be a mix of wolverine spawn, ect he shouldn't be tamed soft docile emasculated and humiliated like he is in GOW 2018 and ragnarok
My god you’re right, and he gets that power from Zeus, because Zeus absorbed Gaia’s life force repeatedly during their battle.
Legitly not, he once said on boat that he tried to use greek god power and he couldn’t, so he working out with no greek gods power.
He just no longer has the magical energies to use these powers because these Powers require magical energies for them to work and since the Norse realms doesn't have that type of magic it definitely explains why he can't use his old magic anymore because it doesn't have the right type of magical energies to even use it anyway meaning he still has those abilities but without the magical energy to use them then he can't use any of them most of the items and weapons he has he doesn't have those weapons anymore
Though Kratos Regaining The Blade Of Olympus in a way Means That he Should Have Atleast Some of His Original Godlike Power Back Just Not the Powers That he was Given By The Olympian Gods nor His Army Of Spartans i mean the Divine Power Base that all The Olympians Have that Granted Them There Godlike Status Like God of war 1 The Power That Athena Gave Kratos that Made him Into the God of war Could Theoretically Still be Contained in the Blade of Olympus Otherwise How Could The Blade of Olympus Have any Power Left for Kratos to be able to Wield it Even if it is Just a Memmory
Blades of chaos are primordial powered. Not powered by magic of Greece
The blades would still work no matter what they made out of chaos
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lets get this out of the way and say those orbs arent part of the lore its just a visualisation for us the player to know nothing more
Bro no sorry your wrong the blades of chaos is a primordial fire predates the creation of his mythos
It's stated multiple times that the reason his blades worked in the new gows is because there primordial weapons
@@jonathanorona9548as they are unbound to any mythology that is why the blades of chaos can still work despite whatever mythology they're in
This was my idea the whole time
He gets magic but not the right type of magic to use it, Kinda like trying to use a American plug in another country, Won't work.
Do you think Kratos will get new powers from the Norse Realms now that he’s accepted his place as God of War once more?
U have runics but they arent exaclty magic i think
And Ragarok events made all his armor and improvements from previous game rot