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I think you were spot on on E.Poe's novel but its actually Joe who is obsessed and makes up and imagines charcater of Rhys . Rhys the vengefull killer who is so similar to Joe is just in his imagination
Well in her defense she’d already explained that her mother didn’t allow her to feel emotions. She didn’t give her love or attention unless she was stoic and calm. Considering that, her emotionless state makes sense.
They did a pretty good job with this season so far whatever ends up happening with the stalker needs to leads to the beginning of Joe's downfall. I'm hoping season 5 is the last one. It'd be cool to have the last episode of S5 be about Joe's trial ,and to see character like Paco, and Ellie testify against him.
Idk if Paco would be willing to testify against him since Joe helped him deal with his abusive stepfather. As for Ellie maybe she would or not giving that Joe was passing her money every 3 months and Love was the one who killed her sister Joe acted more as an accomplice
I def want Season 5 to be his trial season with a ton of returning characters from past seasons like becks friends anika and lynn, Ellie, sherry and Carry, paco, Theo, Matthew, and Even some of the current characters we have for season 4 like Sophie, blessing, Kate
Joe's plot armor is INSANE a hitman that is tired of being a hitman? and the fact that he's been able to murder multiple people and just get away with it all???
My other thing too is Kate somehow knowing exactly where Joe was at the end, and was just so able to let them out. As well as not really seeing it as an issue that Joe was in the woods with him. She knows something more than she leads on. Honestly, either she is working with Rhys and knows who Joe really is, and fell in love with him knowing it was for love. But there's definitely something very strange we don't know yet. Especially since the murder was in her room, and she convinced Joe to help her get rid of the body, without being worried about being in harms way herself. I think she might be the other killer, and him stopping the mugging in the very beginning is where it all started. Who knows, maybe they might actually end up being together for real, because of how much bad they've done. Only time will tell, and I'm pretty excited tbh. Update: I've also been thinking, and it seems like if Kate is actually the other killer, that her convincing Joe to help her and the believe her would be commentary to how Joe is very manipulative, but also very susceptible to manipulation himself. There's a pattern he's living, he's been sentenced to some loop, and him being tricked by her would prove that, without it feel repetitive.
@@KemetShamar Why are you trolling everyone’s comments? And only giving a response with what happened in the show as if they didn’t see that. Nothing you’ve said contradicts the theory’s others have given. That’s the whole point of the show. The twists and turns and unpredictability.
I also thought Rhys was such an obvious choices as well for the killer that I discounted him because it was too obvious ,and the subversion with Roald didn't work either because he was also too obvious with Rhys and then discounted him completely, and had a massive plot twist where it really was him. They just didn't put him in a couple of episodes, and that was it it felt so underwhelming. I did like some of the characters especially phoebe ,and Nadia I hope we get to see more of them I really do hope it pick up in the second half too ,and that there's something more than what we're seeing so far.
Same! I initially thought it was Rhys but then it was waaaay to obvious for it to be him so I thought there’s no way they did that. My other choice was phoebe. She was too perfect and she said something about joe telling her something when he was super drunk at the party. So I thought he told her how he killed love
Yes. I figured out pretty early it was Rhys. But then they completely misled us, leaving Rhys completely out of the picture, and then we were just beginning to be convinced it was Roald, Rhys comes out of the woodwork. I think it worked great. We were shocked but also not shocked.
I read a theory that I FULLY subscribe to that Rhys is essentially Tyler Durden. He's a real man, but the idea of him being a murderous stalker is actually a figment of Joe's imagination. Joe has murdered all of these people and he's torturing himself into madness. Think Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Rhys is Joe's projection of his Hyde persona, however I predict that just like that story, the lines are going to become further and further blurred until Joe himself is revealed to be the total and complete monster.
Everyone applying the logic of a sane person to a man who is literally psychotic and a show thats narrative is purely from his unreliable/warped perspective. If I’m not mistaken he also hallucinated Beck in season 2?
They are all very suspicious. Also, why did the hitman decide to help Joe that easily? I don't trust him either and the paparazzi lady, my eyes on her. She is is definitely connected to his past somehow.
The hitman is just an example of Joe's plot armour. We needed him to do that to have a s4 maybe he's still involved some how, i hope the second option is the right one.
Paparazzi woman probably recognised his face from news coverage of when he was supposedly killed by Love Quinn. That's why she looks gobsmacked as she pulls her camera to her face.
@@stylewarz_nyc oh wow no idea they were involved in the first season. No wonder I loved it so much and since then have felt rather eh about the series.
Rheys is the stalker but Blessing however killed Malcom because S4 E5 she mention when he stabbed Malcom did he deflate but Joe never mentioned how he died,Nobody found body
i think that's just something the writers overlooked tbh. simons killing was a stabbing too so it was safe to assume and it's also just a cliche thing to assume it was a stabbing, and it sounded like a joke too. blessing is way too much of an irrelevant character so it'd be underwhelming and random and this show is too smart for that
I have a feeling that someone within that rich friend group (most likely Phoebe) is connected to Peach. We never found put what he told her at the party and they did say that some of the friends met at school in Rhode Island, which is also where Brown is located (where Beck, Peach, and the others all went to school). I feel like this Rhys storyline is a big diversion, where the real twist is that the PI the Salinger's had looking into Joe end up finding him. Rhys could have easily heard Joe reveal his real identity at the party without him know and then did some digging into his past.
I'm calling it now. Joe is the killer. Think about it......all the murders happen when Joe is passed out and Joe seems to be the only one to interact with Rhys around the other characters. I do believe Rhys is real but I think the one he's villainizing is a fake version he made up in his mind after reading his book. Also the message erasing app would be a good cop out to fool us the audience, but remember that Joe is the narrator of the story so he's writing the story. I think Joe really did go through killing Mary Ann and he finally lost his mind. So yes I think at the end of the season after a few more deaths, it will be revealed that Joe was the one doing this all along.
My theory is that paparazzi lady could be Joe's mom maybe she the one following him around some how connected to Joe's past, and his mom is the only person of this age / appearance I can think of so far I can kind see it ,but it fun to see If true.
Definitely had the same idea about the reporter being a mother. There was little to no reason to give her so much screen time (well, compared to other extras). I dont really think she followed him, but anything is possible.
@@vukkicos5688but I’m sure Joe would be able to tell his mother no matter how much she’s aged. He does see the reporter and doesn’t react in a way that you would assume it’s his mother.
@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 Joe hasnt seen her in like 15-20 years, and she had already been in her 30s when he was a kid. People change drastically in that age period, and that is without taking her getting fatter since then into the account.
Kate isn’t in the clear just yet. It was like she was standing outside the basement vent, listening to see if Joe got free. Maybe Rhys is her mouthpiece and how she is able to interact with Joe without him suspecting she’s a serial killer. She’s manages easily to get men to fall for her so she may fade manipulated Rhys the same way. She’s definitely been manipulating Joe. His obsession with “You” is the only thing keeping him level headed. I thought it odd that she told Phoebe the “truth” about “finding” Gemma and disposing of the body with Joe. She was adamant that he wasn’t the killer. To be that positive, she knows who the killer is even if it isn’t her. She also took that axe instead of getting a gun when she went “looking” for Joe as if she knew she had to use it to get him free. Her hate for Gemma was very palpable. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she killed her. She also has an actual motive for killing all three.
@@KemetShamar I know all of that. It’s irrelevant to my theory. It’s a TV Show. She could have a hidden reason for doing and saying all of that. That’s the whole point of the show is to keep the audience engaged and guessing. Like I said she’s not in the clear. I wouldn’t mind if it was her as she seems to genuinely care about Joe. And the people she unalived weren’t really good people. You make it seem like I said something negative about her. It’s simply my opinion. Have you never watched Dexter? Sometimes serial killers fall in love.
@@jaeshasway nobody gives you the right to unalive someone just because they're "not good". Also most of the times its joes narration describing the events and he's not reliable. They might still be awful but killing then isn't a "good thing". Also I think Joe is the killer
@@DebSrkar “Nobody gives me the right??” WTF? I’m not kïllīng anybody? You do realize this is make believe TV right? IRL I don’t believe in un-aliving anyone. Talk about the show but don’t try to rationalize it like it’s real life. That’s taking it a bit too far. It’s a make believe TV show. You can enjoy one and be appalled at the other. I clearly know the difference between fantasy and reality. I’m not some murderous psychopath and although I enjoy a good mystery or thriller, I don’t remotely think like one. It’s TV for goodness sake. Good grief. 🤦🏽♀️
@@jaeshasway you said " I woudnt mind if she killed then cause she apparently cares about joe and the people she killed were bad", its a show but shows reflect life, why do you think characters are talked about? And there could be ( i'm pretty sure there are) killers like joe and people like the others. Just because its a show, you cant say its justified. thats the whole point, to treat it like reality. this is why serial killers like bundy and dahmer are romanticized
There's also that female photographer ( they've shown at least twice) that was trying to take pictures of Joe. She noticed him and they lingered on her. I wonder if that may mean something later. Maybe Joe will be found out that he is still alive? 🤔
My theory is that Joe didn't let Maryann go - rather I think he killed her and that induced a psychotic state which has led to home killing all the other victims this first half of season 4.
Off topic: 1:24 that baby is the cutest! Also, Rhys is always wearing that black shirt with the button collar except for when he is wearing the green long sleeve sweater. And at certain points Joe is wearing those same clothes. Even at the end of ep 5 Rhys is wearing that same black shirt with the button collar while announcing his candidacy for Mayor. I feel like Rhys is a figment of Joe's imagination or Rhys and Kate are framing Joe together.
Kate is probably Joe's smartest love interest so far. But she's also very self-reliant and contained which isn't his usual type because he likes to save people. Wonder if that's partly why it just doesn't feel the same this season from a romance angle. Also I suppose he's trying to change his ways and he's very absorbed by identifying/pursuing Rhys/the killer.
The reason i knew it was rhys was because him and joe are cut from the same cloth. It was too perfect. They are so similar in so many ways yet one hides in the shadows and the other hides in plain sight. I wonder who will prevail. I wonder if this will be the season to end joe.
I personally think it's the most interesting because everyone thinks he's gonna be obsessed with another girl but hes not so it's nice to see it different
So I watched the show a couple times and I found the whole thing with Rhys Montrose was really sketchy and weird. When you watch it he is hardly even in the show, yet whenever there is a scene with him he doesn't interact with any other character. The only times he interacts is when he's upset about what everyone's saying about Malcom and when he makes the speech in the church about Malcom. In these scenes no one says anything to him, no one has actually talked to Malcom besides Joe. I believe Malcom is just a hallucination and Joe is the real killer. The very first scene you see with Rhys is when Joe gets drunk at that party, he is mentioned to be a writer and he is a friend of Kate's back from college i believe. There's even a scene where Joe asks him why is he even friends with them if kts everything he despises. This is the same thing Joe asks himself a lot in each season, he always ends up with the people he hates the most. There's a scene where the Korean dude got paint thrown at him and he throws paint on the painting as well. When you watch that scene watch Rhys, he looks off to the right instead of watching Simon (I believe his name was), and he just kind of freezes. I could be looking more into that one but there's more. In the scene where Rhys gets upset about his friends talking bad about the Malcom thing he goes outside. When Joe goes out to talk to him (and keep in mind they always get along) before the scene cuts it shows Joe and Rhys staring out into the city from the balcony. To the left you can see Rhys' and Joe's reflection and it mirrors Joe and Rhys. Not only that but they kind of look the same before it cuts out. Remember that one scene where there's a guy who bumps into Joe and we later find out that he slipped Malcolm's ring into his jacket? Idk if I'm going overboard and thinking too much but the guy kind of looks like Joe with longer hair. He has that swoop that Joe has but longer obviously and there even the same exact height. That could be a hallucination. Theres the scene where the murderer goes to kill Simon and you can see that he's wearing an all white suit and black shoes. To me the shoes mostly look like something Joe would wear. What do you guys think?
I knew who the killer was, but I'm thinking Kate is apart of it as well I feel they are working together. How you're not scared of a person past if you don't know what their past held
Is it me or no one ever mentions Rhys name? Or acknowledge him with joe? I actually think joe is the killer but is blacking out and trying to blame it on Rhys
Amazing season!!! It fascinates me how Kate is so calm w a dead body, and the way she talks about it to Phoebe. Kate also hates rich ppl bc of his dad, and how did she know about that hidden place?, she feels so much attraction bc she is as sick as he is hahahaha. Amd at the beginning she treated Joe very badly, could be bc Joe mirrors things she still cant accept. Cant fcking wait for the next episodes omg. Brilliant work.
i knew it was Rhys all along, the director hinted out by showing Rhys walking up to Simon in his grey pant and black dress shoes. You can see him being the only one at Simon’s art party wearing a grey dress pant and black shoes standing next to Joe. I hope there’s more than one killer… i hope its just Joe’s imaginary friend, and its him doing the killing all along
@@jaeshasway yea I agree it is disappointing, but it makes sense. If you google history on “Jonathon Moores” there’s a book called “The Poison Artist” and the synopsis is basically an absinthe trip where the main character solves serial and follows clues about a mysterious character who turns out to be a hallucination. I hope I’m wrong tho
Rhys could be a figment of joes imagination. I was actually quite disappointed that I figured out who the killer was but disregarded it because it was too obvious, but then there’s the plot hole of how did joe get chained up in a basement? and who set the place on fire? I also definitely know Kate isn’t innocent! The fact that she couldn’t cry about Malcom and the way she was too calm looking at the dead body right in front of her in her room and how adamant she was in telling pheobe joe wasn’t the killer. Another thing that bothers me is how we know nothing of Marianne I find it sus that joe would just let her go that easily if he was truly obsessed with her judging by his past behaviors. I think Marianne is actually dead remember that joe is not a reliable narrator and he seems to manipulate the audience as well as himself. I think joe definitely killed Malcom because who else knows where he lives? And at the party he was saying killable things to joe about Marieanne which gives him a motives I mean joe has killed people for less before. Now I think I need to rewatch a second time because there’s just something fishy going on lol. Maybe the hit man could also be killing the people secretly to frame joe so the Quinn’s could get justice for Love. I mean Elliot gave him the new identity telling him to make better choices I don’t think a hitman just gets tired of his job. The reason also why I feel joe may not have killed all of them is because of the style of killing joe never cuts of body pieces to keep for himself however he does take memorabilia such as personal items that’s another reason why joe may not 100% be behind all these killing. Also Nadia is mad sus am the only one who thinks so? Like what was in that letter she wrote Malcom anyway?
Here’s my theory: For those of you who have watched Fight Club: Rhys is Joe’s sick version of Tyler Durden. Rhys is another personality that allows Joe to kill without repercussions. It’s why the only interactions with Rhys are either only seen by Joe or with Joe. The eulogy I think is a red herring to throw us off. Joe pursuing “Rhys” is Joe’s way to show that he’s morally good enough for Marianne.
@thinkstory you forgot about the lady photographer that was shocked to see joe... if she is a tabloid photographer she might have recognized him.... there is 2 scenes where that might be true... the first time you see her , was at the art gallery she definitly got a clear shot of Joe and her look was that of scared or something cant tell .... 2nd time you see her focussing on Joe was when he went to the meeting before they went to the countryside. Did you not spot this ?
I think you were spot on on Poe's novel but its actually Joe who is obsessed and makes up and imagines charcater of Rhys . Rhys the vengefull killer who is so similar to Joe is just in his imagination
How did rhys know about Joe true identity it makes no sense that he would know all about Joe past life when Joe has no family friends in London. Could ryhs be working with the hit man, or Marianne, something is missing
tu as remarqué que les meurtre ont toujours lieu quand Joe est soit défoncé, soit endormi, soit agressé. Le méchant, personne n'a l'air de le voir quand il est dans une pièce, il interagit avec personne en dehors de Joe. La seule fois où Joe lui parle devant d'autres personnes, ou il répond à une question du fameux Reese, quand ils sont à table, épisode 2, les gens se tournent tous vers lui et lui demande qu'est-ce qu'il raconte, comme si personne n'a entendu la question de Reese ou n'avait remarqué qu'il était là, et tout le monde le regarde, genre à qui il parle ? . Une des particularités des erotomanes c'est d'être persuadé de développer une relation personnelle avec sa cible, souvent une personne inateignable, comme une célébrité, ou d'un statut social beaucoup plus élevé, alors que la cible sait même pas, ou à peine qu''elle existe. C' est très bien expliqué dans les films comme "à la folie, pas du tout" où le héros est un personnage erotomanie comme Joe. Je pense que le personnage de Reese existe réellement, mais n' à jamais développé de lien, ni même jamais rencontré Joe en vrai. Ce n'est pas la première fois que Joe a des hallucinations. Dans la saison 3, alors qu'il était malade, il se voyait lui-même, enfin sa partie mauvaise, qui lui expliquait qu'il était un tueur et qu'il fallait qu'il arrête de se mentir à lui-même. Chose que Mariene lui dit également au début de la saison 4,et chose que le personnage de Reese ne cesse de lui dire, de reconnaître qui il est vraiment. De plus, jusqu'à maintenant, tous les réseaux sociaux dans la série existent réellement, Twitter, Facebook et Instagram, mais l'application sur le téléphone de Joe dans la saison 4 n'existe pas. Ça me donne la même impression que dans fight club où j'avais compris que le personnage de Tyler dordon n'était qu'une hallucination et je ne m'étais pas trompé. Je pense que ce Reese qu'il est le seul à voir c'est sa partie mauvaise qu'il matérialise par une hallucination comme dans la saison 3 quand il était super malade. La seule fois où ce personnage est là en chair et en os, c'est lors de l'enterrement du peintre, où il arrive cette fois avec ses gardes du corps et s'adresse à tout le monde dans la salle, mais aucun personnage ne lui parle seul à seul comme à un ami, donc c'est bien un personnage public, c'est la seule fois où il n'apparaît pas de nulle part dans la pièce et où seul Joe semble le voir et lui parler. Regarde bien la scène où ils sont tous à table dans l'épisode 2, non seulement personne n'interagit avec le personnage de Reese bien qu'il soit à table au milieu de tout le monde, il est aussi le seul à ne pas trinquer quand ils lévent tous leurs verre et qu'ils les font tinter les uns contre les autres, ce qui aurait prouvé que Reese serait bien présent à cette table. C' est pour ça que cette première partie semble blindée d'incohérences, car on ne voit que la version de Joe pour l'instant. Il y a pleins d'autres indices qui indiquent que ce personnage n'est qu'une hallucination, mais mon texte est déjà très long. Si j'ai raison désolé pour le spoil. 😉
for me this half season was disappointing because I knew at 99% that Rhys was the killer before the end of episode 1 : given his closeness with Joe during the party and his sudden disappearance (he could have easily stolen his phone), his intelligence, his background with the shit he has been going through like Joe and the fact he’s also an outsider coming from a poor family and has been introduced to this world by Malcolm too, what Malcolm’s friends told about Malcolm, also It was clear Rhys had resentment against these people in his first conversation with Joe and it was even more obvious in the second one in the gallery…just before the second murder And the fact that Joe, who is intelligent, pretty conscientious and detail-oriented, and always considers every possibility in his head, here not only doesn’t suspect Rhys at any moment before he reveals himself at the end of episode 5, but also doesn’t question him or follow him like he did with every other member of the group, is not understandable and very unrealistic and contrived, while the solution could be guessed by the audience way before in the serie EDIT : Now knowing who this Rhys really is, revealed during the second part of the season, I'm reassured because it wasn't a fatal plot hole but an understandable omission from the protagonist
@@jashanbrar3832 You might’ve been on to something but the guy is running for mayor and was on the news being interviewed. Idk if Joe’s delusional state is that creative but who knows, writers can be shady af with these storylines. Lol.
SPOILER ALERT::🫢🤫🫢🤫🫢🤫 I knew he was the killer when he said he got back from Germany quickly. No way he could return so fast unless he has a concord plane. He never went to Germany. He stayed to kill and then frame Joe/Jon. And the killer looked surprised to see Joe/Jon in the morning because he expected JJ to be freaked out and tied up with the murder. Plus it couldn't have been his LI, they did that with Love already 🧐🧐🤔 PS - the killer was so lonely in the crowd of spoiled psychos so he was so desperate to connect with Joe and push him to be more wicked. But when he realized Joe was faking, he wanted to kill him again. That's my theory at least. CANT WAIT FOR PART TWO!!🥳
igy but at the same time i disagree. he’s been trying to practise discipline in earlier seasons and obvs failed terribly i think losing his son made him serious abt it this time
This show is very unrealistic. It started off strong but then episodes 4 & 5 were so non-believable it kinda ruined it for me. Theory 1: Rhys is Joes imagination after reading his memoir. There is a real Rhys - but not in this group of friends. Joe is passed out during every d~~/h Theory 2: Student & Rhys are working together
100% subscribe to the theory that Rhys exists but, after reading his memoir, Joe has become fixated with him. Joe now hallucinates his conversations with Rhys and imagines he is a killer to try and suppress the reality that he is the monster. Evidence of this is that Joe literally hallucinated Beck in season 2.
@@followsthestars we’re only seeing part of the events, the perspective is skewed. You don’t know how far his psyche would go to portray himself as a victim.
Thank you, I was so hoping she was dead in her room. Such a pretentious woman, trying to be soooo cool and edgy and "unlike other girls" and trying to show off that she is a much better person than her friends, but still hangs out with them, partying and enabling them just so she wouldn't have to deal with herself. Sleeping with Joe a minute after the murder of her boyfriend, and then always playing hard to get one second and desperately trying to get in his pants the next second. I couldnt stand her. The other people are bad too but at least they are not pretending to be better. If she really wanted to be better than her dad she wouldn't be with the rich kids anymore. I liked the season otherwise so far, but I don't see why anyone would like her or want to talk with her or why Joe would want to protect HER out of all the people. She's bitchy to literally anyone and then wonders why she only has friends who are bitchy too.
I don’t think Joe is capable of doing that though. I saw someone said it’s possible he did kill Marienne, because he’s not able to let the women out of his life go that easily. And Rhys doing all these killings is just a figment of Joe’s imagination or an alter ego to cope with what he’s done, when it’s him in reality doing all of this. Would explain why Rhys barely interacts with the rest of the group, and Love is holding his book in the teaser, the same book Joe read.
I don’t think Rhys is real, at least the version of him that Joe knows. I think Rhys is joe, he never truly interacted with any of the elites. He is always conveniently around 🤔
I just don’t think rhys is the actual killer I think he has an obsession with wanting to be a killer but I don’t know. Something is off and everyone in the group is equally as guilty.
I believe Rhys is a real person but Killer Rhys is a part of Joe’s imagination, he made him up a la Fight Club. He read Rhys’s book and related to him. Also, why did he not tell anyone that Rhys is the one who locked them up.
First off, what are the odds of The Quinns fixer letting Joe go? 🤔 Did Joe empty out Love's person account or could she still be alive? For Love being dead she was mentioned too much for this season. Kate was in the states, and her father is a rich man with lots of power, maybe a connection to the Quinns? Or what if in the end the plot twist is that Joe was the target all along and one or more families of his victims know about him and he is the one to have to fight to stay alive? 🤔 Kate is still the biggest mystery.. Reese taken her out? Why was the body of that one chick put in Kate's room? Why wasn’t she asking Joe more questions or scared after seeing how Joe was helping her get rid of the body like a champ? Is her father that terrible or is she wanting her privacy because she too is a killer and doesn't want her father to know? Love was a killer and her dad payed to help cover his kids problems and Joe did remember Love when he saw Kate holding the knife 🔪 over a dead body.
Honestly I feel there's 2 endings 2 plots They released part 1 see what the web says And will most likely end the show with the exact opposite of what many guessed
Love is dead she was far too impulsive to think straight, there's no way she survived the aconite and the fire. Joe just couldn't handle that he couldnt be the nice guy whilst being with her. Love was my favourite character tho.
@@safcjoe7062 a man can dream right ? If Joe had a antidote it would make sense the person growing the poison would too just in case they accidentally poisoned themselves it’s more than likely a accident but fingers crossed the beautiful and talented Victoria Pedretti is brought back to torture Joe and isn’t a hallucination or flashback
Im definitely predicting that he is Joe’s half brother. Because we still don’t know how Reese knows about joe and his past!!!!! Like why is he targeting joe😊
Maybe to get revenge on her father, one of the richest men in the world. They are estranged, but it seems he still wants some sort of relationship with her, so what better way to get back at him indefinitely than for her to be bumped off by the Eat the Rich killer.
@@strawberry_gf I can't remember exactly at what point the suggestion is made to murder Kate (after Gemma is found dead in her room?) but by that point Kate may already know Joe likes her too much to kill her.
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I think you were spot on on E.Poe's novel but its actually Joe who is obsessed and makes up and imagines charcater of Rhys . Rhys the vengefull killer who is so similar to Joe is just in his imagination
I think he’s never even met Rhys, it’s all in Joe’s head. He’s seen stuff several times and doesn’t know he’s hallucinating.
Still not convinced Kate is innocent. Idc how rough you had it no one is that calm when they see a murdered body unless they’re a sociopath.
So she killed her?
I mean that whole friend group are sociopaths
@@Matthew-oq1hx That’s what I’m thinking yeah or at the very least she’s part of some sick ploy to get at her father
Calm? He heard her screamed.
Well in her defense she’d already explained that her mother didn’t allow her to feel emotions. She didn’t give her love or attention unless she was stoic and calm. Considering that, her emotionless state makes sense.
They did a pretty good job with this season so far whatever ends up happening with the stalker needs to leads to the beginning of Joe's downfall. I'm hoping season 5 is the last one. It'd be cool to have the last episode of S5 be about Joe's trial ,and to see character like Paco, and Ellie testify against him.
Idk if Paco would be willing to testify against him since Joe helped him deal with his abusive stepfather. As for Ellie maybe she would or not giving that Joe was passing her money every 3 months and Love was the one who killed her sister Joe acted more as an accomplice
I def want Season 5 to be his trial season with a ton of returning characters from past seasons like becks friends anika and lynn, Ellie, sherry and Carry, paco, Theo, Matthew, and Even some of the current characters we have for season 4 like Sophie, blessing, Kate
Awesome theory! But is it already announced that there will be season 5?
it seems to me that the producers said yes that they still had things to say
Woah yea that would be cool
Joe's plot armor is INSANE
a hitman that is tired of being a hitman?
and the fact that he's been able to murder multiple people and just get away with it all???
LMFAOOOO
@@droiddevx03 power of the 🧢
Isn’t that sort of the point? He’s a handsome white guy and therefore gets away with literal murder
@@droiddevx03 the hat is stronger than camo, hell, it's stronger than John Cena! When Joe puts on the hat no one can see him.
The only surprise in the first half was that Roald wasn’t gay lol
Lolol literally same
My other thing too is Kate somehow knowing exactly where Joe was at the end, and was just so able to let them out. As well as not really seeing it as an issue that Joe was in the woods with him. She knows something more than she leads on. Honestly, either she is working with Rhys and knows who Joe really is, and fell in love with him knowing it was for love. But there's definitely something very strange we don't know yet. Especially since the murder was in her room, and she convinced Joe to help her get rid of the body, without being worried about being in harms way herself. I think she might be the other killer, and him stopping the mugging in the very beginning is where it all started. Who knows, maybe they might actually end up being together for real, because of how much bad they've done. Only time will tell, and I'm pretty excited tbh.
Update: I've also been thinking, and it seems like if Kate is actually the other killer, that her convincing Joe to help her and the believe her would be commentary to how Joe is very manipulative, but also very susceptible to manipulation himself. There's a pattern he's living, he's been sentenced to some loop, and him being tricked by her would prove that, without it feel repetitive.
IKR i was just wondering like Rhys was saying the whole place is soundproof when it was just a fucking basement
@@KemetShamar Why are you trolling everyone’s comments? And only giving a response with what happened in the show as if they didn’t see that. Nothing you’ve said contradicts the theory’s others have given. That’s the whole point of the show. The twists and turns and unpredictability.
I think Rhys Kate and JOES student are all working together somehow
There is definitely something up with the female student Joe is friendly with. I think they are adding a second twist and that she knows his past
@ShamarKemet so?
THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES
@ShamarKemet fire is hot
Same as I was thinking, definitely keeping this in mind while watching pt 2
She also popped up everywhere Joe was trying to be sneaky
I also thought Rhys was such an obvious choices as well for the killer that I discounted him because it was too obvious ,and the subversion with Roald didn't work either because he was also too obvious with Rhys and then discounted him completely, and had a massive plot twist where it really was him. They just didn't put him in a couple of episodes, and that was it it felt so underwhelming.
I did like some of the characters especially phoebe ,and Nadia I hope we get to see more of them I really do hope it pick up in the second half too ,and that there's something more than what we're seeing so far.
Same! I initially thought it was Rhys but then it was waaaay to obvious for it to be him so I thought there’s no way they did that. My other choice was phoebe. She was too perfect and she said something about joe telling her something when he was super drunk at the party. So I thought he told her how he killed love
Yes. I figured out pretty early it was Rhys. But then they completely misled us, leaving Rhys completely out of the picture, and then we were just beginning to be convinced it was Roald, Rhys comes out of the woodwork. I think it worked great. We were shocked but also not shocked.
I read a theory that I FULLY subscribe to that Rhys is essentially Tyler Durden. He's a real man, but the idea of him being a murderous stalker is actually a figment of Joe's imagination. Joe has murdered all of these people and he's torturing himself into madness. Think Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Rhys is Joe's projection of his Hyde persona, however I predict that just like that story, the lines are going to become further and further blurred until Joe himself is revealed to be the total and complete monster.
Yeah, that don't fit his personality he never been the crazy type, he's a thinker some times a planner but who knows
@@paigepage6791 Exactly it’s never been shown he’s been hallucinating things like that before.Unless he was off drugs which is different.
Everyone applying the logic of a sane person to a man who is literally psychotic and a show thats narrative is purely from his unreliable/warped perspective. If I’m not mistaken he also hallucinated Beck in season 2?
You were right! Just watched part 2
@@paigepage6791 Seems like it was his personality all along
They are all very suspicious. Also, why did the hitman decide to help Joe that easily? I don't trust him either and the paparazzi lady, my eyes on her. She is is definitely connected to his past somehow.
The hitman is just an example of Joe's plot armour. We needed him to do that to have a s4 maybe he's still involved some how, i hope the second option is the right one.
Paparazzi woman probably recognised his face from news coverage of when he was supposedly killed by Love Quinn. That's why she looks gobsmacked as she pulls her camera to her face.
If they’re brothers obviously the writers are dexter fans. That’s totally the ice truck killer storyline.
oohh yes and joe have a half brother
The YOU tv show was brought to life by the Dexter team. But they left after season 1. No idea if they're back.
@@stylewarz_nyc oh wow no idea they were involved in the first season. No wonder I loved it so much and since then have felt rather eh about the series.
It's crazy while watching this I said to myself he's no dexter lol 😆
@@paigepage6791 Lol same dexter is 20x better then joe he would take care of him easily,But joe is a good character
Rheys is the stalker but Blessing however killed Malcom because S4 E5 she mention when he stabbed Malcom did he deflate but Joe never mentioned how he died,Nobody found body
OMG. THAT'S RIGHT
i think that's just something the writers overlooked tbh. simons killing was a stabbing too so it was safe to assume and it's also just a cliche thing to assume it was a stabbing, and it sounded like a joke too. blessing is way too much of an irrelevant character so it'd be underwhelming and random and this show is too smart for that
that's what I thought too!!
Or maybe the fact that Arld or however you spell his name, was explaining how “Jonathan” killed Malcom
I think that Rhys is Joes imaginatio. The reason behind it is because Rhys dosent have any interaction at all with other characters besides Joe
You were right! You should watch part2
I have a feeling that someone within that rich friend group (most likely Phoebe) is connected to Peach. We never found put what he told her at the party and they did say that some of the friends met at school in Rhode Island, which is also where Brown is located (where Beck, Peach, and the others all went to school).
I feel like this Rhys storyline is a big diversion, where the real twist is that the PI the Salinger's had looking into Joe end up finding him. Rhys could have easily heard Joe reveal his real identity at the party without him know and then did some digging into his past.
The things with Joe is that he's a hypocrite that's the foundation of his personality.
To say that this season was chaotic was a colossal understatement! If Joe falls for you, you'd better watch out. I'm already excited for Part 2!
i bet my xbox kate is also a killer.. that is the twist on part 2.. there is no way she is just a innocent girl who hates her rich friends
Exactly
Lmao 🤣 that is the truth. Joe sure knows how to attract psycho women who are just like him
I'm calling it now. Joe is the killer. Think about it......all the murders happen when Joe is passed out and Joe seems to be the only one to interact with Rhys around the other characters. I do believe Rhys is real but I think the one he's villainizing is a fake version he made up in his mind after reading his book. Also the message erasing app would be a good cop out to fool us the audience, but remember that Joe is the narrator of the story so he's writing the story. I think Joe really did go through killing Mary Ann and he finally lost his mind. So yes I think at the end of the season after a few more deaths, it will be revealed that Joe was the one doing this all along.
My theory is that paparazzi lady could be Joe's mom maybe she the one following him around some how connected to Joe's past, and his mom is the only person of this age / appearance I can think of so far I can kind see it ,but it fun to see If true.
Definitely had the same idea about the reporter being a mother. There was little to no reason to give her so much screen time (well, compared to other extras).
I dont really think she followed him, but anything is possible.
I so glad I’m not the only one who thought this. It looks so much like an older version of her.
@@vukkicos5688but I’m sure Joe would be able to tell his mother no matter how much she’s aged. He does see the reporter and doesn’t react in a way that you would assume it’s his mother.
@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 Joe hasnt seen her in like 15-20 years, and she had already been in her 30s when he was a kid. People change drastically in that age period, and that is without taking her getting fatter since then into the account.
I don't feel she's his mom but she might be working with the hit man or ryhs. How did ryhs know about Joe true identity 🤔
the murder mystery party completely reminded me of knives out glass onion - rich people not taking a potential murderer seriously
Kate isn’t in the clear just yet. It was like she was standing outside the basement vent, listening to see if Joe got free. Maybe Rhys is her mouthpiece and how she is able to interact with Joe without him suspecting she’s a serial killer. She’s manages easily to get men to fall for her so she may fade manipulated Rhys the same way. She’s definitely been manipulating Joe. His obsession with “You” is the only thing keeping him level headed.
I thought it odd that she told Phoebe the “truth” about “finding” Gemma and disposing of the body with Joe. She was adamant that he wasn’t the killer. To be that positive, she knows who the killer is even if it isn’t her. She also took that axe instead of getting a gun when she went “looking” for Joe as if she knew she had to use it to get him free. Her hate for Gemma was very palpable. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she killed her. She also has an actual motive for killing all three.
@@KemetShamar I know all of that. It’s irrelevant to my theory. It’s a TV Show. She could have a hidden reason for doing and saying all of that. That’s the whole point of the show is to keep the audience engaged and guessing. Like I said she’s not in the clear. I wouldn’t mind if it was her as she seems to genuinely care about Joe. And the people she unalived weren’t really good people. You make it seem like I said something negative about her. It’s simply my opinion. Have you never watched Dexter? Sometimes serial killers fall in love.
@@jaeshasway nobody gives you the right to unalive someone just because they're "not good". Also most of the times its joes narration describing the events and he's not reliable. They might still be awful but killing then isn't a "good thing". Also I think Joe is the killer
@@DebSrkar “Nobody gives me the right??” WTF? I’m not kïllīng anybody? You do realize this is make believe TV right? IRL I don’t believe in un-aliving anyone. Talk about the show but don’t try to rationalize it like it’s real life. That’s taking it a bit too far. It’s a make believe TV show. You can enjoy one and be appalled at the other. I clearly know the difference between fantasy and reality. I’m not some murderous psychopath and although I enjoy a good mystery or thriller, I don’t remotely think like one. It’s TV for goodness sake. Good grief. 🤦🏽♀️
@@jaeshasway you said " I woudnt mind if she killed then cause she apparently cares about joe and the people she killed were bad", its a show but shows reflect life, why do you think characters are talked about? And there could be ( i'm pretty sure there are) killers like joe and people like the others. Just because its a show, you cant say its justified. thats the whole point, to treat it like reality. this is why serial killers like bundy and dahmer are romanticized
How did Rhys break into Joe's phone ?
Meh, I think Rhys is a figment of Joe's imagination...
There's also that female photographer ( they've shown at least twice) that was trying to take pictures of Joe. She noticed him and they lingered on her. I wonder if that may mean something later. Maybe Joe will be found out that he is still alive? 🤔
I feel like she might be connected to the PI from the 1st season!
@@shannons8976 same
My theory is that Joe didn't let Maryann go - rather I think he killed her and that induced a psychotic state which has led to home killing all the other victims this first half of season 4.
You almost got it lol
@@mikegubnizki574 Oh wow I forgot I made this comment - lol !
Off topic: 1:24 that baby is the cutest! Also, Rhys is always wearing that black shirt with the button collar except for when he is wearing the green long sleeve sweater. And at certain points Joe is wearing those same clothes. Even at the end of ep 5 Rhys is wearing that same black shirt with the button collar while announcing his candidacy for Mayor. I feel like Rhys is a figment of Joe's imagination or Rhys and Kate are framing Joe together.
Kate is probably Joe's smartest love interest so far. But she's also very self-reliant and contained which isn't his usual type because he likes to save people. Wonder if that's partly why it just doesn't feel the same this season from a romance angle. Also I suppose he's trying to change his ways and he's very absorbed by identifying/pursuing Rhys/the killer.
Yeah I didn’t like it
Yeah I wasn’t feel the romance connection.
The reason i knew it was rhys was because him and joe are cut from the same cloth. It was too perfect. They are so similar in so many ways yet one hides in the shadows and the other hides in plain sight. I wonder who will prevail. I wonder if this will be the season to end joe.
Why does no one in the group acknowledge Rys? I thought for a few episodes Rys was in Joes head
why did rhys install that app in joe's phone if he wanted to frame him in the beginning ??
Unpopular opinion but this season wasn’t worth splitting into two parts. Was it good so far? Yeah. Am I super excited to see how it ends? Not really.
I personally think it's the most interesting because everyone thinks he's gonna be obsessed with another girl but hes not so it's nice to see it different
He still obsesses with mariene
@@xyprmoment for like a episode that's it
@@xyprmoment eh not really. you can tell the writers are trying to not be repetitive by having joe be obsessed with a girl every season
Yeah this season something was missing
I actually thought the old lady photographer among the paparazzis was the eat the rich killer
So I watched the show a couple times and I found the whole thing with Rhys Montrose was really sketchy and weird. When you watch it he is hardly even in the show, yet whenever there is a scene with him he doesn't interact with any other character. The only times he interacts is when he's upset about what everyone's saying about Malcom and when he makes the speech in the church about Malcom. In these scenes no one says anything to him, no one has actually talked to Malcom besides Joe. I believe Malcom is just a hallucination and Joe is the real killer. The very first scene you see with Rhys is when Joe gets drunk at that party, he is mentioned to be a writer and he is a friend of Kate's back from college i believe. There's even a scene where Joe asks him why is he even friends with them if kts everything he despises. This is the same thing Joe asks himself a lot in each season, he always ends up with the people he hates the most. There's a scene where the Korean dude got paint thrown at him and he throws paint on the painting as well. When you watch that scene watch Rhys, he looks off to the right instead of watching Simon (I believe his name was), and he just kind of freezes. I could be looking more into that one but there's more. In the scene where Rhys gets upset about his friends talking bad about the Malcom thing he goes outside. When Joe goes out to talk to him (and keep in mind they always get along) before the scene cuts it shows Joe and Rhys staring out into the city from the balcony. To the left you can see Rhys' and Joe's reflection and it mirrors Joe and Rhys. Not only that but they kind of look the same before it cuts out. Remember that one scene where there's a guy who bumps into Joe and we later find out that he slipped Malcolm's ring into his jacket? Idk if I'm going overboard and thinking too much but the guy kind of looks like Joe with longer hair. He has that swoop that Joe has but longer obviously and there even the same exact height. That could be a hallucination. Theres the scene where the murderer goes to kill Simon and you can see that he's wearing an all white suit and black shoes. To me the shoes mostly look like something Joe would wear. What do you guys think?
I knew who the killer was, but I'm thinking Kate is apart of it as well I feel they are working together. How you're not scared of a person past if you don't know what their past held
Is it me or no one ever mentions Rhys name? Or acknowledge him with joe? I actually think joe is the killer but is blacking out and trying to blame it on Rhys
No book cage? 5/10 half season.
the book cage was shown in the part 2 teaser trailer with love in it. so either shes alive or its a dream/flashback
@@urmom-yy7xg it'll be a hallucination
Amazing season!!! It fascinates me how Kate is so calm w a dead body, and the way she talks about it to Phoebe. Kate also hates rich ppl bc of his dad, and how did she know about that hidden place?, she feels so much attraction bc she is as sick as he is hahahaha. Amd at the beginning she treated Joe very badly, could be bc Joe mirrors things she still cant accept. Cant fcking wait for the next episodes omg. Brilliant work.
i knew it was Rhys all along, the director hinted out by showing Rhys walking up to Simon in his grey pant and black dress shoes. You can see him being the only one at Simon’s art party wearing a grey dress pant and black shoes standing next to Joe. I hope there’s more than one killer… i hope its just Joe’s imaginary friend, and its him doing the killing all along
i called it? holy shit
yo that’s impressive af
You were right about the killer in your last review
Joes been hallucinating the entire thing is my guess
I really hope not. That’s a really lazy, cliche and rather crappy way to end a show. Almost as bad as the way they ended Lost or Dexter. Almost.
@@jaeshasway yea I agree it is disappointing, but it makes sense. If you google history on “Jonathon Moores” there’s a book called “The Poison Artist” and the synopsis is basically an absinthe trip where the main character solves serial and follows clues about a mysterious character who turns out to be a hallucination. I hope I’m wrong tho
Rhys could be a figment of joes imagination. I was actually quite disappointed that I figured out who the killer was but disregarded it because it was too obvious, but then there’s the plot hole of how did joe get chained up in a basement? and who set the place on fire? I also definitely know Kate isn’t innocent! The fact that she couldn’t cry about Malcom and the way she was too calm looking at the dead body right in front of her in her room and how adamant she was in telling pheobe joe wasn’t the killer. Another thing that bothers me is how we know nothing of Marianne I find it sus that joe would just let her go that easily if he was truly obsessed with her judging by his past behaviors. I think Marianne is actually dead remember that joe is not a reliable narrator and he seems to manipulate the audience as well as himself.
I think joe definitely killed Malcom because who else knows where he lives? And at the party he was saying killable things to joe about Marieanne which gives him a motives I mean joe has killed people for less before. Now I think I need to rewatch a second time because there’s just something fishy going on lol.
Maybe the hit man could also be killing the people secretly to frame joe so the Quinn’s could get justice for Love. I mean Elliot gave him the new identity telling him to make better choices I don’t think a hitman just gets tired of his job.
The reason also why I feel joe may not have killed all of them is because of the style of killing joe never cuts of body pieces to keep for himself however he does take memorabilia such as personal items that’s another reason why joe may not 100% be behind all these killing. Also Nadia is mad sus am the only one who thinks so? Like what was in that letter she wrote Malcom anyway?
yea ithink kate is also a killer i mean there is no way she is just a girl who hates her rich friends
Here’s my theory: For those of you who have watched Fight Club: Rhys is Joe’s sick version of Tyler Durden. Rhys is another personality that allows Joe to kill without repercussions. It’s why the only interactions with Rhys are either only seen by Joe or with Joe. The eulogy I think is a red herring to throw us off. Joe pursuing “Rhys” is Joe’s way to show that he’s morally good enough for Marianne.
spot on
@thinkstory you forgot about the lady photographer that was shocked to see joe... if she is a tabloid photographer she might have recognized him.... there is 2 scenes where that might be true... the first time you see her , was at the art gallery she definitly got a clear shot of Joe and her look was that of scared or something cant tell .... 2nd time you see her focussing on Joe was when he went to the meeting before they went to the countryside.
Did you not spot this ?
Ur on to something
@@justinpereira7945 yes sir... its like a 2 seconds but I could be wrong did you rewatch the scenes I talked about ?
I forgot about Joe’s brother! I like that theory
The Moriarty, Sherlock parallels between Rhys and Joe are what's going to keep me watching.
Me too
It's Moriarty vs Moriarty
You got the Edgar Alan Poe thing spot on just backwards 😅
I think you were spot on on Poe's novel but its actually Joe who is obsessed and makes up and imagines charcater of Rhys . Rhys the vengefull killer who is so similar to Joe is just in his imagination
I feel Nadia is going to find out about Joe`s past.
She knows his past
How did rhys know about Joe true identity it makes no sense that he would know all about Joe past life when Joe has no family friends in London. Could ryhs be working with the hit man, or Marianne, something is missing
tu as remarqué que les meurtre ont toujours lieu quand Joe est soit défoncé, soit endormi, soit agressé. Le méchant, personne n'a l'air de le voir quand il est dans une pièce, il interagit avec personne en dehors de Joe. La seule fois où Joe lui parle devant d'autres personnes, ou il répond à une question du fameux Reese, quand ils sont à table, épisode 2, les gens se tournent tous vers lui et lui demande qu'est-ce qu'il raconte, comme si personne n'a entendu la question de Reese ou n'avait remarqué qu'il était là, et tout le monde le regarde, genre à qui il parle ? . Une des particularités des erotomanes c'est d'être persuadé de développer une relation personnelle avec sa cible, souvent une personne inateignable, comme une célébrité, ou d'un statut social beaucoup plus élevé, alors que la cible sait même pas, ou à peine qu''elle existe. C' est très bien expliqué dans les films comme "à la folie, pas du tout" où le héros est un personnage erotomanie comme Joe. Je pense que le personnage de Reese existe réellement, mais n' à jamais développé de lien, ni même jamais rencontré Joe en vrai. Ce n'est pas la première fois que Joe a des hallucinations. Dans la saison 3, alors qu'il était malade, il se voyait lui-même, enfin sa partie mauvaise, qui lui expliquait qu'il était un tueur et qu'il fallait qu'il arrête de se mentir à lui-même. Chose que Mariene lui dit également au début de la saison 4,et chose que le personnage de Reese ne cesse de lui dire, de reconnaître qui il est vraiment. De plus, jusqu'à maintenant, tous les réseaux sociaux dans la série existent réellement, Twitter, Facebook et Instagram, mais l'application sur le téléphone de Joe dans la saison 4 n'existe pas. Ça me donne la même impression que dans fight club où j'avais compris que le personnage de Tyler dordon n'était qu'une hallucination et je ne m'étais pas trompé. Je pense que ce Reese qu'il est le seul à voir c'est sa partie mauvaise qu'il matérialise par une hallucination comme dans la saison 3 quand il était super malade. La seule fois où ce personnage est là en chair et en os, c'est lors de l'enterrement du peintre, où il arrive cette fois avec ses gardes du corps et s'adresse à tout le monde dans la salle, mais aucun personnage ne lui parle seul à seul comme à un ami, donc c'est bien un personnage public, c'est la seule fois où il n'apparaît pas de nulle part dans la pièce et où seul Joe semble le voir et lui parler. Regarde bien la scène où ils sont tous à table dans l'épisode 2, non seulement personne n'interagit avec le personnage de Reese bien qu'il soit à table au milieu de tout le monde, il est aussi le seul à ne pas trinquer quand ils lévent tous leurs verre et qu'ils les font tinter les uns contre les autres, ce qui aurait prouvé que Reese serait bien présent à cette table. C' est pour ça que cette première partie semble blindée d'incohérences, car on ne voit que la version de Joe pour l'instant. Il y a pleins d'autres indices qui indiquent que ce personnage n'est qu'une hallucination, mais mon texte est déjà très long. Si j'ai raison désolé pour le spoil. 😉
Kate is so annoying to me😣 Why is she the love interest? I miss Love tbh
I felt the same on Kate she so dry boring plain looking
@@4p853 Yes. Boring and mean. I mute most of her parts with Joe
She's a Radical Feminist I can't wait for Joe to end her god is she annoying maybe Rhys and Kate are working together?
Same for Marie Ann I don't like her ,and the actress sucks!
@@nedjmahss3031 Omg yes! Thought it was just me. She was also in Uncharted and the way she talks is so odd. I don’t think she’s a good actress😅
for me this half season was disappointing because I knew at 99% that Rhys was the killer before the end of episode 1 : given his closeness with Joe during the party and his sudden disappearance (he could have easily stolen his phone), his intelligence, his background with the shit he has been going through like Joe and the fact he’s also an outsider coming from a poor family and has been introduced to this world by Malcolm too, what Malcolm’s friends told about Malcolm, also It was clear Rhys had resentment against these people in his first conversation with Joe and it was even more obvious in the second one in the gallery…just before the second murder
And the fact that Joe, who is intelligent, pretty conscientious and detail-oriented, and always considers every possibility in his head, here not only doesn’t suspect Rhys at any moment before he reveals himself at the end of episode 5, but also doesn’t question him or follow him like he did with every other member of the group, is not understandable and very unrealistic and contrived, while the solution could be guessed by the audience way before in the serie
EDIT : Now knowing who this Rhys really is, revealed during the second part of the season, I'm reassured because it wasn't a fatal plot hole but an understandable omission from the protagonist
Yeah I hated it
Rhys is just in joe’s mind i think joe did all murders
It’s almost too obvious though.
@@jashanbrar3832 You might’ve been on to something but the guy is running for mayor and was on the news being interviewed. Idk if Joe’s delusional state is that creative but who knows, writers can be shady af with these storylines. Lol.
@@jashanbrar3832 it turned out you were right, at least it wasn't a fatal plot hole but an understandable omission from the protagonist
I think rece is actually love quin wearing a prosthetic mask and a voice changer
Lmfao
The only plausible explanation. No one knows Joe as much as Love 😅
Cthu
I’m 99% sure joes mom is dead but if she is alive then I really hope she is somehow involved in season 4
SPOILER ALERT::🫢🤫🫢🤫🫢🤫
I knew he was the killer when he said he got back from Germany quickly. No way he could return so fast unless he has a concord plane. He never went to Germany. He stayed to kill and then frame Joe/Jon. And the killer looked surprised to see Joe/Jon in the morning because he expected JJ to be freaked out and tied up with the murder. Plus it couldn't have been his LI, they did that with Love already 🧐🧐🤔
PS - the killer was so lonely in the crowd of spoiled psychos so he was so desperate to connect with Joe and push him to be more wicked. But when he realized Joe was faking, he wanted to kill him again. That's my theory at least. CANT WAIT FOR PART TWO!!🥳
Idk I just feel like Joe isn’t acting like Joe😭The whole “I’m changed” isn’t giving for me
igy but at the same time i disagree. he’s been trying to practise discipline in earlier seasons and obvs failed terribly i think losing his son made him serious abt it this time
Yay!!! I was talking about this series yesterday
This show is very unrealistic. It started off strong but then episodes 4 & 5 were so non-believable it kinda ruined it for me.
Theory 1: Rhys is Joes imagination after reading his memoir. There is a real Rhys - but not in this group of friends. Joe is passed out during every d~~/h
Theory 2: Student & Rhys are working together
100% subscribe to the theory that Rhys exists but, after reading his memoir, Joe has become fixated with him. Joe now hallucinates his conversations with Rhys and imagines he is a killer to try and suppress the reality that he is the monster. Evidence of this is that Joe literally hallucinated Beck in season 2.
So Joe chained himself up in the basement and set it on fire then?
@@followsthestars we’re only seeing part of the events, the perspective is skewed. You don’t know how far his psyche would go to portray himself as a victim.
Rhys new "Jonathan" was joe because their exactly the same ( just a theory )
I would pretty much agree with this assessment of what's happening throughout Season 4.
Kate is one of the most irritating, pretentious characters I've ever seen on screen at this point I hope the stalker get her.
I loved her
she was pretty solid in my opinion i just hope she wises up to joe
Fr‼️ I’ve been waiting for Joe to kill her since she came on screen, but given that he is now fixated on her that isn’t happening🥲
for me it was love loool
Thank you, I was so hoping she was dead in her room.
Such a pretentious woman, trying to be soooo cool and edgy and "unlike other girls" and trying to show off that she is a much better person than her friends, but still hangs out with them, partying and enabling them just so she wouldn't have to deal with herself. Sleeping with Joe a minute after the murder of her boyfriend, and then always playing hard to get one second and desperately trying to get in his pants the next second.
I couldnt stand her. The other people are bad too but at least they are not pretending to be better. If she really wanted to be better than her dad she wouldn't be with the rich kids anymore. I liked the season otherwise so far, but I don't see why anyone would like her or want to talk with her or why Joe would want to protect HER out of all the people. She's bitchy to literally anyone and then wonders why she only has friends who are bitchy too.
I'm almost certain the "I'll prove it to you" line was just him saying that she'll let her go and not return
I don’t think Joe is capable of doing that though. I saw someone said it’s possible he did kill Marienne, because he’s not able to let the women out of his life go that easily. And Rhys doing all these killings is just a figment of Joe’s imagination or an alter ego to cope with what he’s done, when it’s him in reality doing all of this. Would explain why Rhys barely interacts with the rest of the group, and Love is holding his book in the teaser, the same book Joe read.
@@unofficialbeautyqueen6624 Kind of like Fight Club? Rhys is Brad Pitt's character. Interesting theory
some made a video about Ryes being in joes head and hess the killer
I don’t think Rhys is real, at least the version of him that Joe knows. I think Rhys is joe, he never truly interacted with any of the elites. He is always conveniently around 🤔
kate is definitely an accomplice to rhys
Why would he text Joe to kill her then?
Ngl if they didn’t mention dexter. They could have had Harrison hunt joe.xD
8:18 BRO I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS BRO !?!
But he seems a little old to be his brother .....
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I hope Love is alive somehow
she was in the part 2 teaser but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a flashback or she survived
Rhys is in Joes head
I just don’t think rhys is the actual killer
I think he has an obsession with wanting to be a killer but I don’t know. Something is off and everyone in the group is equally as guilty.
It is probably true that Rees as we know him is all in joes mind. The killer is joe who repressed himself too much
It would have been super cool if it wasn’t true
I believe Rhys is a real person but Killer Rhys is a part of Joe’s imagination, he made him up a la Fight Club. He read Rhys’s book and related to him. Also, why did he not tell anyone that Rhys is the one who locked them up.
I get creeped out by the student she must collaborate with Rhys or something
It’s giving glass onion and honestly Kate is still questionable
What's going on with Marianne? So far, we've hardly seen her. Will she play a role in the second part?
First off, what are the odds of The Quinns fixer letting Joe go? 🤔 Did Joe empty out Love's person account or could she still be alive? For Love being dead she was mentioned too much for this season. Kate was in the states, and her father is a rich man with lots of power, maybe a connection to the Quinns? Or what if in the end the plot twist is that Joe was the target all along and one or more families of his victims know about him and he is the one to have to fight to stay alive? 🤔 Kate is still the biggest mystery.. Reese taken her out? Why was the body of that one chick put in Kate's room? Why wasn’t she asking Joe more questions or scared after seeing how Joe was helping her get rid of the body like a champ? Is her father that terrible or is she wanting her privacy because she too is a killer and doesn't want her father to know? Love was a killer and her dad payed to help cover his kids problems and Joe did remember Love when he saw Kate holding the knife 🔪 over a dead body.
I’ve read so many cozy crime book that by the first episode I was able to figure out who the killer was 😂
joe was so messed up due to drinking absinth
Plot twist, love didn’t die & she’s behind it all.
nochance, they pulled that off with candace but not love.
My theory is that the killer is actually Nadia, and rhys, kate etc are somehow all in joes head
Is love coming back in part 2 I seen in that half trailer
Yes, but I guess as a flashback or hallucination
I'm confused. Isn't Joe supposed to be 'dead'?
Honestly I feel there's 2 endings 2 plots
They released part 1 see what the web says
And will most likely end the show with the exact opposite of what many guessed
joe being a “woke” person seems contradictory for his character but at the same time it fuels that narcissistic part of him
I support Rhys.
I hope Love is alive and is working w Rhys I feel like they would be a better couple than Joe and Love ever were
Love is dead she was far too impulsive to think straight, there's no way she survived the aconite and the fire. Joe just couldn't handle that he couldnt be the nice guy whilst being with her. Love was my favourite character tho.
@@safcjoe7062 a man can dream right ? If Joe had a antidote it would make sense the person growing the poison would too just in case they accidentally poisoned themselves it’s more than likely a accident but fingers crossed the beautiful and talented Victoria Pedretti is brought back to torture Joe and isn’t a hallucination or flashback
She might be because how did Rhys know about Joe true identity
Why was she so calm tho
WHAT ABOUT THE LIME DISEASE?
I bet the killer is an identical twin.
When I was watching this I was off the shrooms I was mad when I was on the last episode
so obviously it was rhys
I think , the body guard is going to kill joe at the end
Or Rhys is an hallucination of Jonathan....
ok but what about love appearing in the part 2 trailer?@!?!?!?!?!??!
I think the killer is joe's student!
Im definitely predicting that he is Joe’s half brother. Because we still don’t know how Reese knows about joe and his past!!!!! Like why is he targeting joe😊
the only hang up i have with the Kate os working with Rhys theory is, why would Kate text Joe to murder her?
Maybe to get revenge on her father, one of the richest men in the world. They are estranged, but it seems he still wants some sort of relationship with her, so what better way to get back at him indefinitely than for her to be bumped off by the Eat the Rich killer.
Throw him off her sent. She's smart.
@@raquelborn but what if he had decided to kill her?
@@strawberry_gf I can't remember exactly at what point the suggestion is made to murder Kate (after Gemma is found dead in her room?) but by that point Kate may already know Joe likes her too much to kill her.
I don't know what the other thinks but i think the student who is really friendly to Joe has a look like Delilah. Maybe she is connected to Delilah?
no way 😭😭😭😭😭 she’s literally south asian
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