Benji thinks *The Hunger Games* are STUPID...
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Reaction Commentary to "The Hunger Games" (2012) starring Jennifer Lawrence, Josh Hutcherson, Liam Hemsworth, Woody Harrelson, Stanley Tucci, Wes Bentley, Elizabeth Banks, Amandla Stenberg and Donald Sutherland || based on the books by Suzanne Collins
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Im sorry but Rue was LITERALLY described as black in the books and people STILL had a meltdown!
People are so ignorant 🙃🙃
I mean, it‘s a dystopian future version of the US. I don’t even want to know what people _imagined_ happened to a select 12 - 15% of the population, like what 😳 That would warrant a whole different movie (AND book)
Ofc she is black and her district
And Katniss is supposed to be mixed race, based on the book description, but the people complaining about Rue like to gloss over that too
District 11 is the Deep South. Predominantly black and Hispanic. I never heard of being upset that Rue was black. I read the books and saw all of the movies.
Rue is black in the book. She's described as having brown skin. Racist people couldn't imagine her being black because Katniss always says Rue reminds her of Prim. People even went as far as to say Rue's death isn't as impactful because she's black.
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That’s insane. I didn’t get into the books until after the first movie was announced but I think rue’s death is very impactful in the film. Seeing the sweet, innocent, and adorable Rue actually come to life get an arrow to the gut was horrific and wanting to be sang to as she died only made it worse. I guess I underestimated how truly racist people can be
@laurenmalone8335 There's a great UA-cam video essay on the topic, with the tweets and horrible things people were saying about a fictional child. It's actually so jarring how they read Katniss attributing Rue's innocence, age, and kindness as reasons Rue reminds her of Prim, and people just automatically assumed it had something to do with looks when the only physical similarity Katniss herself mentions is their age and size.
@@Jhey-jq4xf I’ll have to check that out. And yeah, I feel like when I read the book and Katniss was talking about how Rue reminded her of Prim she was referring to how young and innocent she was, not how they looked similar
I cried I think it was pretty impactful and I don’t cry about shows normally (people are just racist)(I am white btw)
you cannot Stan twilight and hate the hunger games its impossible 😂😂😭😂
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Yeah. Can’t claim to be a fanatic for either but HG seems a billion times less ridiculous than the tutorial-on-maintaining-toxic-relationships that was the Twilight series.
I love both 🤷🏻♀️
Sure you can. My mom loves Twilight but doesn’t like the Hunger Games since she’s not into all the violence. I love the Hunger Games but am not really into Twilight
@@PinkPopcast the pin protected Prim she isn't going to the Hunger Games and Katniss lives through 2 Hunger Games and a War with the pin so it protected her too
About the bread throwing scene in the rain, I feel like it should be emphasized that Katniss was literally on the verge of death when Peeta gave her the bread (also in the books they are both like 12 when this whole thing occurs) After her father’s death, Katniss’s mom went catatonic with grief and Katniss and her sister were basically abandoned and starving. Katniss was literally doing everything she could think of to get food during this time, but anyone she tried to barter with ignored her, chased her away (aka Peeta’s mom), or just refused to help because, in District 12, a starving Seam kid is really not that uncommon. Collapsing by the bakery, she had decided to just accept death right there and probably would’ve died right then if Peeta hadn’t intentionally burned the bread to be able to give it to her.
To drive the point of how impactful Peeta’s actions even more, in the books, he legit comes to school the next day with a black eye (iirc) after being beat by his mother for burning the bread. When Katniss sees this, she takes his sacrifice even more to heart and that’s when she feels her first glimmer of hope since her dad died. She realizes she now has the strength to keep surviving and decides then to teach herself to hunt with her dad’s old bow.
Basically, the whole interaction really leaves its mark on Katniss moving forward. Not to mention, it’s the beginning of the idea that while Katniss may inspire hope in everyone else, Peeta will always be the one to inspire hope in her.
That adds a lot of context even just them being 12 at the time changes a lot
Also, when she sees him at school she looks down and sees a dandelion. She remembers that dandelions are edible, so she and Prim spend time that day picking dandelions in a meadow before she gets up the courage to venture out beyond the fence into the forest (for the first time by herself ever).
This is what made me believe that Katniss COULD fall for Peta, im sure after that Petas mom didnt allow him to interact with her afterwards. It sucks that the mom does a 180 after all of that.
Yeah, I really think they didn’t do the best job in relying what was going on there in the movie. I know they were limited on run time but a few more minutes and using younger actors for it would have done a lot to explain their back story
@@PinkPopcastit’s also important that after their dad died, the mom went into a full catatonic depression. Prim was 7 and Katniss was 12. As the person above mentioned, death by starvation was common in district 12. When Katniss left to wander out in the rain, she was severely malnourished and basically left so she wouldn’t have to watch her die. The bread Peeta gave her was enough to give her hope and enough blood sugar to remember some of the hunting/gathering tricks she had watched her father do. She was able to gather dandelions (good source of nutrition) and eventually began hunting to support the family. She was essentially raising Prim and keeping them all going for a long time. The mom eventually came out of the catatonia, although Katniss never really forgave her. The fact she nearly watched Prim starve to death and then basically raised her is why Katniss is so protective. It’s also why she is thankful to but also wary of Peeta, he was the catalyst to all of them surviving but she doesn’t know what his motivations were.
It’s always so weird to me when people don’t understand how being kept permanently poor, downtrodden, sick, hungry, while your government officials walk around in high tech gear with weapons and hovercrafts, might make a rebellion kinda difficult. And this story is literally about how it can build and build until finally exploding. And on top of that, they explain in the movie that the hunger games happen because of a previous rebellion by the districts where a district was completely destroyed. The Capitol could literally firebomb every district with impunity.
Also the way there's like less than a million people in panem. They are afraid of whipping themselves out
Yeah it sucks when the government & bad guys whip out the people. Very painful.
Honestly, I can suspend my disbelief regarding people being ok with the hunger games when I think about how many events similar to this really existed in the world. From gladiators, to public hangings where people would treat them like some family events... Have a picnic, eat some popcorn, watch someone die and then take a family photo with the dead body. When people were being beheaded, merchants would sell blood soaked cloths from the dead, etc. as souvenirs. These are things that actually happened. I don't underestimate how messed up things could become after the complete deconstruction of society.
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this was my thought too. humanity is capable of truly atrocious shit.
seeing as how stuff like beheadings were still happening when star wars was in theatres its not an old arcaeic concept of grotesque intrique and entertainkent either, its still modern woth a 101 other examples in recent times
Aside from giving hope that one can survive and get "riches" the games also helped pit the districts against eachother, there was no communication between them. So watching the games all you saw was children from different districts killing eachother. This is part of why Katniss's actions started the revolution, she showed respect for Rue and her district connecting them and showing kidness and compassion for someone from another district who should have been her enemy.
Katniss situation with Rue also helped with Tresh's situation, he had all the chances to kill Katniss but bc of knowing what she did for Rue he forgave her making her able to win even when killing her could have helped him, and she never forgot that and gave it the value it deserved, talking about how she wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him and how he gave her mercy out that love and respect for Rue and for extent apreciation and respect to her
That makes sense how that could be an inciting incident
The gag is Rue is described as black in the book, same with Thresh, the fans just cling to the fact that Rue reminded Katniss of Prim and thought "well that must mean she's white like Prim" and not because Prim and Rue were both the same age, and had similar demeanors.
They're also coincidentally both named after flowers. Katniss mentions it in the book. But yeah I think their similarities are obvious even if their physical features and skin tone don't look anything similar to each other.
The thing about Fox Face (the red-headed Quick Bitch) is that in books Katniss mentions how intelligent the girl is during training, specifically when it comes to her knowledge on plants. So when they find her dead, having eaten the Night Locke berries, Katniss is surprised. It’s with that knowledge the viewer has that leads a lot of people to believe that Fox Face ate those berries on purpose to die.
She 100% did
I feel like this theory is so interesting!! Especially since the book/film leaves it ambiguous but it’s completely plausible
Yeah, but Katniss also speculates that the girl ate the berries because she saw that Peeta trusted them. That convinced her that they were safe. She also took tiny amounts of their other food when she could. I like the fan theory and it suits the movie, but I don't think it fits the books that well.
Katniss never mentions anything about fox face being knowledgable about plants in the books. The only thing that "supports" the idea that she knows plants is that we see her do well in the plant matching game in the movie's training montage. She was described as clever and sneaky, like a fox (stealing food from the careers and figuring out their traps, being able to hide, and waiting for the feast in the cornucopia), but there's never anything explicitly stated about her knowledge of plants. Katniss overestimated her, and acknowledged that it can be just as dangerous to overestimate someone as it is to underestimate them.
Nightlock only grows in the outskirts of 12 and possibly 11, that’s why katniss knew what type of berries they were and peeta didn’t. She’s didn’t intentionally kill herself.
Benji out here during the first movie saying "oh why aren't there kids that train to win the games" and "the arenas should have themes" when there are careers and yearly themes right there 😂
😂 i want a more themy theme haha
It’s almost like Benji isn’t quite as good at speaking over a movie he already has preconceived notions about, and actually paying attention to what’s happening.
What makes the whole rue discourse even more ridiculous is that I'm pretty sure she's black in the book! I remember her being described as having 'dark skin' so I genuinely have no idea why people were so outraged
Racism 🤣🥲😞
ok me to now I read it a long time ago but I remember vividly her being describes as having dark skin and Katniss was olive toned plus where her district was it was in the south and the writer said it was where they grew food and she wanted it to be way stricter than other areas so she made the characters darker to highlight how in the real world black and poc are over policed as she said she wrote the hunger games to mirror the real world
@@tajajones7003 I just re-listened to the entire series. That's exactly how Rue and Katniss were described.
The fact that Benji can set disbelief aside and enjoy HS Musical but can’t watch a dystopian story without being frustrated with the unrealistic elements of political/revolutional fantasy… it baffles me.
Lolol we all have our preferences
I’m sure someone’s mentioned but the only thing I was pissed the excluded from the book was the disabilities. Katniss went deaf in one ear after that explosion and Peeta literally lost a leg and both his prosthetic and her hearing implant were plot relevant in Catching Fire, but god forbid we have disabled mains 🙄🙄🙄
I thought the doctors that treated Katniss after the first games actually just fixed her hearing. I recently listened to the audiobooks and I don’t remember anything about an implant.
Both were fixed by the Capitol. It didn’t really impact the future story. Just emphasized the brutality of the games which we all got from how it was portrayed. Some stuff has to be cut.
Peeta’s leg was relevent in catching fire tho. He struggled with his prosthesis in the vines of the jungle, and in a few other scenes too
i agree fully, i remember that they were able to get SOME of her hearing back but she was deaf/HOH in one ear for sure because they weren't able to fix it. and taking out peeta needing a prosthetic... i adore these movies, and understand some things changed for time/cinema, but my god does taking his disability out of it piss me off. but nooooo disabled people can't be the main characters :///
@@ashbreak_No, during the games, she goes deaf, but eventually the hearing in one ear comes back, while the other doesn’t. Once they go to be treated after the games, Peeta’s leg can’t be fixed due to the tourniquet Katniss did to stop the bleeding, but her hearing is 100% surgically fixed and she goes back to hearing from both ears. It’s in the end of the first book. Peeta’s leg did have relevance for the second one, where he only struggles as much as he does due to the prosthetic and not being able to swim, but Katniss no longer has any hearing problem (maybe after the war, but nothing is implied in the books).
I feel like the books do a much better job at explaining Peeta and Katniss's connection, the scene with the bread and how it made her have hope for the future. The bread literally saved her and her family's life, they were about to starve to death. Peeta intentionally burnt the bread (hence the beating from his mom because you don't waste food) so that he'd be forced to throw it out but his intention is to give it to her. I think we miss a lot in this movie because we don't have Katniss's inner monologue. She's someone that doesn't say a lot aloud but has a lot of thought - hence Jennifer Lawrence seeming stotic.
You were right about the volunteer thing Benji! In the richer districts (1-4) eighteen year olds train for years and all volunteer at the reapings, which is why these districts win most of the games. They’re referred to as the “careers.” This is technically illegal and also, in the poorer districts, people are starving and barely able to get through the day, so they don’t train. In Catching Fire (SPOILER) this is a plot point, since Peeta and Katniss have more wealth they’re able to train and volunteer for their next games.
yes this lol I was just listening to Benji describe in detail the thing that literally does exist in that world
Katniss and Peeta had no other choice but to go back to the Games tho. Remember that bitch ass Snow said the tributes for the Quarter Quell would be reaped from the existing pool of victors. No other District 12 victors, the very very few they've had, were alive anymore. Katniss was the only girl available, and Peeta was single-minded about going back in for her. Even though Haymitch's name was read out, Peeta had already made up his mind to volunteer. IIRC even Haymitch said that if he volunteered if Peeta's name was called first, he may not be as useful inside the arena to protect Katniss.
Okay good to know that wasn’t overlooked lol but that sucks that it’s illegal and only the well off districts can sneak it in
Career tributes exist, but only in districts 1-2. I believe it's because those districts are fabrics and rare gem providing, which the capital pays heavily for.
It's not illegal to train or volunteer, nor is that the reason for any of the volunteering that occurs in Catching Fire...
@@CreamySaucy it is literally illegal to train for the games lol. It's mentioned multiple times in the books, just not enforced harshly
I just love how most of benjis observations about things that would make the story better are things that actually happen in the books or even in the movies (ex. The training of the kids to volunteer when they get older, the different “themes” for each game, etc). if he just payed a little more attention 😂
I wanted more themey themes lol like pirate ship or space
@@PinkPopcasthow would they get a whole ass pirate ship 😭😭
@@heeniehoo5641 you're more confused on how they would get a pirate ship than how they would get in space? 🤣
@@ToxicUchiha1 good point. well i’m confused about both
@@heeniehoo5641They have a giant sci-fi dome and genetically engineered killer animals. Why would they have trouble making a pirate ship?
Now wait a minute Benji you know we popstars love you BUT hunger games STUPID ??? The first two are literally masterpieces so well written and omg the costumes come on benji
I’m here exclusively for Effie’s costumes lmao
@@PinkPopcast you know what I’m not mad at it. 😂
I adore this whole series - saw every instalment multiple times in theatres, after reading the books, and its definitely one of my favourite book to film adaptations. I am judging Benji harshly lmao
I’ll defend mockingjay part 2 as well, very well executed. Was very intense in parts but also hit the emotional moments amazingly. While mockingjay part 1 is the weakest of the films I still think it’s pretty good *spoilers*
That scene where the rebels blow up the hydroelectric damn is just *chef’s kiss*
To be honest I did not like the movies. However, they were interesting enough to get to to read the books and now I am a big fan of the Hunger Games. The books were so well written. The plot was great, the characters were rounded and complicated, the storytelling style was just so impactful. So Pink Podcast, what I would recommend is for you to go through the books. You would never regret it.
Benji:use nerf guns so no one has to die
Also Benji: pointing out all the ways she could kill them
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The duality 😂
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In my opinion, the reason the games work to keep the districts in line is because it pits the districts against each other. It would be difficult teaming up with a district whose tribute brutally killed someone from your district. Even if they didn't kill them, every winner from another district represents someone dead from yours.
Do I think these games would work IRL? No. But in this world, I can see it. After the initial rebellion, the districts were decimated. That gave the Capitol power to implement the games. Weapons were confiscated and anyone who spoke up was literally silenced by having their tongue cut out and sent to the Capitol to become one of their slaves (Avox).
Not only was Rue described as black in the books, but Katniss herself and others in District 12 (like Gale) were written as racially ambiguous from the Appalachia (D12 is in that region of North America) with dark/black hair, olive skin and grey eyes. A popular fan theory is that they most likely resemble the Melungeon people, who are racially mixed - yet they cast Jennifer Lawrence and Liam Hemsworth lmao no one talked about that, but everyone seemed to lose it over a canonically black character, like the racism was SO OBVIOUS
Not even just Gale and Katniss but Haymitch as well. Like Haymitch was also supposed to look similar to katniss except in the movies not only is he white, but he’s blonde and blue eyed as well, in fact Peeta being pale, blonde and blue eyed is less common is district 12 than how people in the seam look and people who look like Peeta are usually people in the merchant side of town, who own the different shops are and a bit more well off
@@clover2739 Thank you for reminding me! I forgot about Haymitch and the detail about the merchants vs the people from the Seam. I didn't catch it when I was younger but rereading the books, it definitely is more noticeable.
@@KristinaEspinoza yep! Plus there’s a huge divide between them, with people from the seam only usually hanging around with people from the seam and vice versa. Peeta even admits that him liking a girl from the seam won’t go too well with his parents. None of this extra divide in portrayed in the movies at all
Preach 💯💯💯
Jennifer was a good kstniss but we were robbed from seeing a native coded katniss
Just hopping in to say; As someone who read the books a billion times, especially growing up, Rue was 100000% black in the books. Her casting was perfect.
The thing I hate the the most about these movies is erasing Peeta's and Katniss's physical disabilities, the explosion from the careers food piles cause Katniss to permanently lose hearing in one ear (capital basically gives her a hearing aid for it and it comes up in later books) and the deep wound on Peeta's leg got infected, the medicine Katniss got him was an anti biotic that cured the infection but did not magically stitch it back together.
Is not a hearing aid, they fully reconstruct it, that's why she lie about being able to hear the force field in CF.
^thanks, it’s been a while since I read it.
Wow hunger games was quite dark for a ya novel
True, only thing I can say is that they did much better with this in the ballad of the songbirds of the snakes, where it shows how people reaped could be have disabilities and also be on-the-verge-of-dying dead and be chosen regardless.
Yes I like the representation in it much better.
okay so, there was a huge war between the capitol and the districts 75 years before the books started, and ultimately the Capitol won, and as a way to punish the districts the capitol decided to implement the hunger games. but over the years it’s become a source of amusement to the capitol because they think of it as a reality show, and not kids dying, but the districts are terrified of the hunger games.
Yea It’s weird to try to rebrand punishment as hope lol
@@PinkPopcast the districts are forced to watch the hunger games. Wow for the capital it is a source of enjoyment. The reason they symbolize it as a thing of hope is because for the capital it is a source of hope that the existence of the hunger games will prevent the districts from rising up due to fear
@@PinkPopcastthe prequel book and movie shows how that rebrand happened and how it connects to young pre president snow.
Catching Fire better not be included in that opinion or I'll have to unstan. That movie is a damn masterpiece. 😂
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AND MOCKINGJAY PART 2
@perryjones7771 Yeah I never thought Mocking Jay Part 2 was as bad as everyone says. It has a lot of good moments. Part 1 on the other hand was boring and it felt like it dragged. I've only watched it once though and that was years ago so I don't know if I would still think that now.
@@Lucaya4Life part 2 broke my heart. This franchise really was a saga you had to be there reading the books and learning the lore of the world. It’s my favorite book series.
Although, I LOVED the books and it’s criticism on capitalism, the media, and control of human beings, honestly, I wasn’t sure how realistic something like this would be either. I was like “they’re killing kids. No way ppl would do this… let alone watch it.” And, my mother (who has much more life experience) said to me “oh, they absolutely would. And ppl would definitely watch.” It didn’t feel far fetched to her, at all. Fast forward to now and ppl are justifying the killings of millions of children in Palestine and some of the horrors have been caught on video. Soooo…there’s that. 🥴
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And I mean technically we're already enjoying watching kids kill each other just by watching this movie
oh this is my brand right here!
benji please don’t make me fall out of love with you lol you better put some respect on one of the greatest dystopian fictions to eva do it! the other girls could NEVER
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If anything, with all that's going on in the world, The Hunger Games make more sense than ever. There's totalitarian regimes everywhere (and we have wars and genocides broadcast on TV and social media constantly) and the politics of it all are quite similar to what they do in The Hunger Games. A tiny bit of hope is powerful, but not *too powerful* that it threatens said regime. Like for example Malala or Ahed Tamimi (or even Greta Thunberg). They were shown on TV when it was necessary to give people a little hope (that things could get solved in the future), but when their "job" was done, the media moved on to another thing, and both Afghanistan and Palestine are still warzones with millions of people being oppressed. I don't know why I'm talking about this right now, but I do think THG is relevant and well-done when it comes to the modern politics of warfare and squashing (or trying to squash) revolutions.
Benji??? But why.... 💔
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@PinkPopcast Oh Benji... 🤣
Love you two! Always a great time with the reactions! ❤️
First and last time will be watching this channel as benji is a nightmare whats the point in reviewing a film he needs to shut up for at least 30 second.
The wolves in the books have the dead tributes eyes and their fur was the same colour as their hair, they always creeped me out, obviously would’ve been hard to put into the movie though even with CGI
I don’t think the games were ever supposed to make sense for the districts, they are meant to be a punishment. The districts rebelled against the Capitol and lost, with district 13 getting decimated, so the Capitol was basically like now we’re going to kill 2 of your children and stream is like it’s a sporting event with sponsors and pageantry and if you don’t participate, or if you fight against us, we’ll kill you all. As others have said, there’s also a hierarchy, the richer districts have more advantages, are better fed, and the strongest are trained to be volunteers. The poorer districts just hope every year not to get chosen and to make it to their 18th birthday so they can finally stop participating.
The games aren’t meant to end the war, they are a f*ck you from the Capitol. And it’s implied that not participating will result in the Capitol destroying your family, town, district, depending how far the rebellion goes.
Yeah, I understand that that’s the point, but it just seems like something that obviously after a long period of time is gonna end in a rebellion lol
that's true. I think they let their pride get in the way, which is what usually happens. You become blind to the reality of the situation and only see what you want to see.@@PinkPopcast
@@PinkPopcastthat’s exactly what happens 😊
@@PinkPopcast It's been going for at least 75 years assuming there is 1 huger game a year. The Hunger Games are actually designed to PREVENT a rebellion, by pitting the districts against each other. There's a TON of animosity towards district 1 for example. They are the closest district to the capital, the richest, and their volunteer recruits are highly trained from like the age of 10, and all volunteer for the reaping at 18. This is why Snow sees Katniss as such a huge threat. She gives hope to the rebellion, and unifies the districts by doing stuff like making her little grave site for Rue. Her showing a comradery with Rue gave district 11 the balls to start a revolt against the capital, thinking that they might inspire other districts to start a revolt.
book facts: districts 11 and 12 are the poorest (11 has a mainly black population and 12 is where the native americans lived with other poor people and based off the description of katniss in the books it’s implied that her dad was native american). peeta’s family were pretty well off (especially compared to katniss’, her mother’s family were wealthy but she essentially was disowned when she married katniss’ dad).
the arenas for every hunger games changes so they’re never the same.
katniss and peeta also went to school together and that’s where his crush on her developed. she also was given that mockingjay pin from her friend from school whose dad was the mayor in district 12
Honestly the hunger games were a pretty great adaptation. There were a couple things that were left out that seemed stupid (Peeta actually loses his leg after the hunger games and is given a prosthetic by the capitol) but most of it stayed pretty close to the book (to my knowledge, it’s been years since I read the books.)
The only real gripe I had is that the scene with the mutts in the climax was way more disturbing in the books. Katniss manages to get a close look at one of them and sees it has a collar with the number 11 on it (rue’s district number) and it’s eyes are exactly like Rue’s. I thought that the capitol was literally taking parts of the dead tributes and using them to make the mutts but they were actually just designing them to look like the deceased tributes. (Which is still pretty disturbing)
And you were correct about Katniss’s little duck nickname for Prim. From what I remember when Prim would tuck her shirts in she would always leave a little bit sticking out, it looked like a little ducks tail so Katniss started calling her little duck.
SHUT UP
i've red the books three times and didnt remember the prosthetic
I red ur comment in COMPLETE SHOCK
I never liked gale, I don’t know why I just was always so upset by him 😂 edit: they do change the theme every year, some work better then others, the idea is to make it hard but survivable. For example: they had a winter theme but everyone just froze to death so it wasn’t “fun” for the audience (capitol)
Another edit: district 11 pulled money together to send katniss a loaf of bread as a thank you for Rue, in the book it was so sad especially because 11 is also a low income district like 12
I mean, most people don’t like gale and I feel like there’s very clear reasons why to be fair 😭
Awe that’s so cute! And yea gale was just weirdly jealous for the whole series haha
If America ain’t heading for this, they’re defs heading for The Handmaid’s Tale 🤷🏻♀️
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38:07 I read somewhere that she killed herself because she knew there was no chance of her winning with only her left in her district, she wasn't just "stupid" for eating the berries-- she did it on purpose:>>
It’s definitely a solid theory, based on how they showed how well (and fast) she could identify certain plants in training.
Her remaining competition were Thresh and Cato, who were huge, and Peeta and Katniss, who were united as a team. It would make sense that maybe she felt like she wouldn’t be able to win. I too would choose a quick and painless death.
I am going to be really annoying but… that’s not true at all.
It’s a theory that only works from one scene in the movie, however even then she’s definitely not a expert on identifying plants at all. That training thing is a matching game that to test reflexes and reaction times. It’s nothing to do with identifying edible plants. The reason why foxface is smart is because she’s cunning, which is why fox is a could part of her name. Not because she knows a lot about survival. In fact her biggest weakness is that she doesn’t know how to find food herself, however she is sneaky so she gets through the games by stealing other tributes food and supplies in small unnoticeable amounts. She did it with the careers pile of goodies the whole time, until katniss blew it up.
Especially book wise, foxface also stole katniss and Peeta’s cheese along with the berries, because she was starving since she couldn’t get any food for days. She wouldn’t steal that as well if she was trying to kill herself. When she died she was described as emaciated. She ate them genuinely because she thought they were safe since Peeta was collecting them thinking they were edible. Her downfall was the fact that she knows it’s dangerous to underestimate your opponent but overestimating them is just as dangerous. If Peeta did what he was doing as a trap, foxface wouldn’t have ate the berries.
Even if foxface was an expert on plants, nightlock berries only grew on the outskirts of district 12 and katniss even says they weren’t in the training books at all. It’s why Peeta also doesn’t know what they are and katniss does, because katniss went out to hunt illegally because her dad took her and showed her them, Peeta who is a bakers son who hasn’t left the fence wouldn’t have seen the berries in his life. So foxface being from district 5 would’ve have a chance to know what those berries are.
In fact, Katniss shouldn’t know what the berries are either, considering that sneaking outside the fence to hunt is illegal and punishable by death, which is why her trick with the berries is even more of a punch in the face to Snow, because it shows more ways that she has been rebelling even outside those games
@@clover2739i love this comment omg thank you!
If I remember correctly, the people revolted many years before, and they were defeated by the government. Because of this, in order to "keep order" they began doing it as a hunt (not a performance). It was seen as a tragic thing, but it eventually turned into this beloved celebrity-like obsession for capital members.
Benji confidently being wrong about how Peeta survives is hilarious to me.
what was he wrong about?
He was right tho, they changed the rules back last minute
do you mean Rizzo talking about how it's clearly that they just *let* two people from the same district win together.
I died with the “let’s hear it for the boys” clip 💀💀💀.
Top notch
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Never have I been more aware of my ADHD than watching you two break into song because of a word or sentence in the movie and me having the exact same instincts everytime 😂 great video as always 🙌🏼🙌🏼
I’m so happy I’m not the only one
😂😂 ADHDrs unite🙌🙌
Rue IS Black in the books. Like, very clearly. That actually made the racism that much more alarming. Ppl literally had to quote the books because everyone was so confused on where the backlash was coming from (and, of course that didn’t stop the racists because they never cared anyway). It was CRAZY.
Really?? I never knew there was such backlash over this...that's crazy! Anyone who read the books would know LOL
The books are better Benji!! I promise!! Also, I really hate Peeta's disability erasure in the movies
Right???? I watched the movies first. When I read the books and found out that Peta LOSES HIS LEG. I was like: HOLLY SHIT WHY THE HELL THIS IS NOT IN THE MOVIE???
That’s crazy they got rid of such a big plot point
I think they choose that because It would have dragged the next movie on to long because his Capitol funded prosthetic leg malfunctions and makes it so he becomes more of a liability they have to drag around with them,then a function member of the team .
@@robinv6461I think they simply jumped on the Twilight-“love triangle with two super hot dudes” bandwagon and thought an amputee wouldn’t cut it (which, from the books’ reception alone, is obviously untrue). I definitely remember there was a Team Peeta/Gale-merchandising-phase, and they really amped it up in the movies as well while book-Katniss mainly just wants to survive
@@thatgirlinautumn5995they actually cut it due to budget. Having a fake prosthetic Limb at the end of this movie would have been too much cgi/special effects. They also didn’t technically know the film franchise would be a success so pouring money into a detail like that wouldn’t have made sense at the time. Tho I do really wish they had been able to keep it that way as it adds a whole extra layer of what the games cost.
Well you should know Rue was always black. People for some reason got collective amnesia when the casting was announced and were mad about it for some reason.
Rizzo calling PETA an "animal company" had me laughing actually out loud way more then it should have 😂
The "Peeta???" bit anytime Katniss touches a tree or a rock is absolutely sending me 😂
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It reminds me of their bit I love the most from 50 Shades Darker.
"Hello, Christian? Yes I want them fired!"😂
Gurl, I don't think me and Benji would get along in real life 😂.
Lol we would just avoid talking about hunger games
the amount of time 13 year old me spent obsessing over the ship between cato and clove (the district 2 tributes) is honestly something to be studied
Also, yes, the part with Rue dying is even more heartbreaking in the book. The care and love Katniss shows Rue, her "enemy", when she dies is what really starts the revolution/the three fingers sign. I can't remember the significance of the sign but I know they changed it a bit in the movie compared to the book. I remember them using it in the book much later on and it being much more impactful in it's use.
It's a very old traditional way to show respect in district 12. Mostly used at funerals and stuff. According to the book it means thanks, admiration and goodbye to someone you love. So when Effie calls for applause and the people of 12 respond with this it's a tiny rebellion in itself because they refuse to make this into a spectacle and instead show Katniss that they respect the hell out of her for doing this for her sister. And then when Katniss shows it to Rue, it's brought out of 12 which is another symbol of the districts finally coming together and standing up to their common enemy. So yeah lots of significance and symbolism behind a simple gesture ❤
@@Manon-nk4qu Thank you so much! I really need to re-read the books... So good!
Haymitch giving Katniss the heads up at 21:22 was more about him finally taking his role as a mentor seriously. After years of seeing contestants dying on his watch (while dealing with the untreated trauma of surviving the Games) Haymitch broke and distanced himself from future contestants, not even bothering to try with them anymore because he kept getting attached and re-traumatized when they died. So for a lot of the time he just sort of didn't try much with Katniss and Peeta until the end when he started to feel like maybe for the first time there were District 12 kids with a fighting chance. Before that, they were usually too weak and malnurished and untrained to last long even with his help.
And the premise of The Capitol people accepting The Hunger Games isn't that far-fetched. People throughout history have been content to watch others suffer and die once they held a sense of privilege and safety in their own bubble. Especially when they've grown up in a society that normalized and excused it. Kids went with their parents to go see lynchings and would take family photos next to the dead bodies to put on greeting cards. And the explanation was no more complex that "they're black and worthless and only part human". People outright said they felt nothing for Rue because it's harder to feel bad for a black kid dying.
Even today you have people who show sympathy for a dead child because they thought they belonged to one group of people, but then found out they belonged to another and they deleted the pic and erased all sympathy. We can't be shocked that generations of people got groomed into devaluing life so much that they bought into government propaganda until they found entertainment in the death of people who are painted as the enemy. There's way too much historical examples of that happening until the people themselves participated. It's much easier to think that a very comfortable, very wealthy, very privileged, very self-centred population can turn their blinders on after growing up watching this happen and being taught that it was okay and needed.
The only aspect of the book I don't like being changed in from the book is about the pin. This is mainly about catching fire but Katniss got the pin from her friend and it was revealed to be her aunt's who was Haymitchs tribute partner in his games and the best friend of Katniss's mom, but it was changed in the movies
Ooohh 🥲
I think she was a friend of Katniss's Mom but I think Haymitch's tribute partner was another girl.
I really need to watch these movies again
I've spotted things I never did just watching this reaction; like Haymitch subtly putting his hand over his glass in one of the early scenes so the server didn't pour alcohol into it, showing how he was actually gonna take helping Katniss and Peeta seriously by staying more sober
Also, forgot how much I enjoyed these movies
Every time Benji asked a question I could hear the typing of all the Hunger Games fanatics 😂
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39:44: “they might not have even been able to kill him-“
Fun fact! Cato in the books was wearing armour specifically designed to combat katniss’s arrows (his ‘gift’ from the feast) and the armour covered his vital spots so the dogs actually were struggling to kill him! In the books this scene lasts until morning and Katniss and Peeta heard him being eaten alive for hours. Eventually Katniss goes to mercy kill him and describes him as “raw hunk of meat”
Benji…I literally just reread this series. I’m gonna have to mentally prepare myself for this😭💀
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I could probably write an entire dissertation over this series and it’s chokehold on pop culture and the sociopolitical intricacies of it.
That being said- the movies actually didn’t change much from the books. Bc the books are written in Katniss’ POV, any scenes without her are purely for the films. However, those scenes are absolutely things that would’ve been going on during the course of the books, we’re just not made aware of them until Katniss is.
Also, Rue is Black in the book, and Katniss is biracial (Indigenous on her father’s side and white on her mom’s side). The only thing I can say ab the casting of Jennifer Lawrence is the erasure of Katniss’ ethnicity. The movies also erased Katniss and Peeta’s disabilities that resulted from the first games. Katniss went deaf in one ear (though temporarily), and Peeta had his leg amputated. These things had large impacts on the second and third books.
Yeah it bothered me so much how they took out Peeta losing a leg but then don't change any of the effect it has on his performance in the games
katniss is very racially ambiguous (im from europe so idk about the appalachian area and the people there) and they never state any race for her, unlike rue who is stated to be black -- along with the majority of district 11. so, you couldn't call it outright erasing of her identity where it is very ambiguous and only would stand out to people from the US that she might be POC. but i do agree with you on the disabilities thing, especially peeta's leg, mainly because its great to actually see the consequences of being in the games but also, peeta's can come off a lot more useless in catching fire then he is. like when the tracker jacker venom fog is chasing them, peeta cant move very quick cause of his prosthetic leg which is why he gets badly hurt and finnick has to carry him.
I feel like out of all the teen dystopian book to movie adaptations done during this time, the hunger games was the best one.
I think Rizzo would try and survive, and Benji would just sit down and take a nap and hope to die in his sleep.
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Rue WAS black in the books.
The reason why the hunger games exists is because the Capitol believed if they kept the population satisfied with food and entertainment (bread and circuses) they wouldn't complain about what was wrong in their society. Children are meant to be pure and innocent by nature due to the lack of exposure to world's evil. When you send district children to brutally massacre other district children (even weaker younger children) It portrays the district children to be despicable and violent by nature. So, there's no solidarity between districts. That's why Katniss's actions in the first movie were so radical. 1) She volunteers for her younger sister. That's never seen especially in the poor districts where they aren't getting training (like 1+2) because they're focused on surviving. This already makes her some what of a target. 2) when she cries & mourns Rue's death, she is showing empathy for a kid that wasn't from her district, which is the opposite of what the capitol wants. Her mourning Rue's death lead to the protests in District 11 and the rest of the events over the course of the series. 3) Then of course her saving Peeta by baiting the game makers at the end of the games was a defiant act.
It’s funny that you say that it reminds you of a reality show. The author said she was inspired by the early 2000s reality tv shows like survivor and the war in Iraq. She would flip the channel and see reality tv shows, news on the war, reality tv show, news on the war over and over on repeat.
Oh wow, it definitely shows lol
I think I might have to wage war on Benji for this egregious statement😂😂. I will go for high school musical first 😭🤞🏽.
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I think they did a great job with the movie but of course the books are better 😁I just wanted to say something about the part where Haymich should have been telling Katniss all these survival things way before she actually got to the area. In the books Haymich is this drunk guy who is a terrible mentor and it seems like he is just absolutely miserable. And he is. He didn't start really helping Katniss and Peeta until they seemed like they had a chance of surviving because he didn't want to get close to anyone anymore just to have them die. Especially since they're from District 12 and he has been the only winner from there over the years. In his mind these kids would just be more people who die in cold blood because of these games. So, in fact Haymich was telling her all this last minute because he was starting to have hope that he wouldn't have to see her die... Or he had already unknowingly grown attached to her enough to want to help. It's not until later during the games that you find out Haymich is an excellent mentor who knows how to manipulate the people of the capitol to get what he needs to survive. I'm pretty sure that they tell Haymich's backstory in the second book but it's been a long while since I re-read them. Haymich is one of my fav characters in the book. In the movie? All the characters are kinda blah... They just didn't really have the time to set up the characters like they did in the book.
this its making me wanna read the books!
@@PinkPopcast Yes! Do it! I swear it will make you appreciate the story and the message of hope that Katniss inspires even more! Like, the movies are fine and all, but Suzanne Collins (the author) is a genius and the books are legit masterpieces. All hail the Queen of symbolism and political allegories!!!
I would actually argue that the hunger games is one of the most accurate book to film adaptations ever! The prequel coming out soon also looks like its very similar to the book as well.
Also I don’t get how this seems like such a far fetched concept for benji considering throughout history people have died for sport thousands of times.
I’m excited for the next one for a little explanation.. I think there’s a big difference between adult gladiators and peoples children
@@PinkPopcast well for starters most people barely made it to their 40’s back in the day. Gladiators had to be able bodied so they were most likely between their teens to twenties. Especially considering the fact that 14 year olds were considered adults back then. Plus most of those who died in the colosseum weren’t there voluntarily.
Secondly you have to remember that the people in the capitol don’t view those in the districts as people but as animals….if not worse.
In the books its explained how the three-finger salute is a symbol of respect for the people you love, commonly used in the lower districts (10-12)
the games aren’t meant to be a good thing, it’s punishment for the districts for starting a war against the capital. also love your vids ❤️
I just don’t get how they thought people wouldn’t rebel lol
@@PinkPopcastI think the thinking was it would be hard to think about rebellion if you're struggling to just live lol
Yhara Zayd has a video called “The day rue ‘became’ black” and she goes over the bs that was the outrage of people who ‘read’ the books but were upset over the casting of Rue. 😒 people legit attached their name to their blatant racism
But anyway! Thanks for the reaction!
Racist People are so ridiculous 🙃🙃
Honestly the thought of Katnis kicking Snow off the balcony while being crowned victor is hilarious to me! 😂
These movies are really incredible adaptations! The only thing that I ever REALLY missed from the books is that when Katniss and Peeta are about to eat the berries at the end, Peeta is actively bleeding out. One of the mutts got his leg and katniss had made him a tourniquet but he UWRAPPED it when katniss refused to shoot him. The berries are their solution together and when they get taken out of the arena they’re separated and katniss goes apeshit and has to be sedated bc she’s so sure Peeta was going to die on the table. When she wakes Peeta had to have most of his leg amputated bc of the tourniquet that she put on him and she sobs over him during their exit interview. Peeta being an amputee throughout the rest of the story was very important and was one of the reasons he was seen as a liability in the next games. It’s def one of my biggest gripes about the movies especially since it would have been more representation for a community that is BARELY ever given crumbs in major motion pictures 😢
In the prequel people in the capitol didn’t like the hunger games in the beginning. Until it became a betting event. And they obviously dehumanized the people in the districts (they put them in a zoo). The books also tried to explain why there wasn’t an uprising (no nukes from 13, divided districts, peacemakers, most of the districts were starving the others tried to be the capitol’s favorite etc)
The books were my roman empire when i was 11 OKAY
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*Rue being black in the book is not only true, but it's also a relevant and consequential fact of understanding racism and segregation in Panam.*
Everything is really more impactful in the books (the last one actually made me cry). I watched the movies first actually but after reading the books I noticed a lot more things. Like I didn't get why people shipped katniss and peeta when I watched the first movie but after reading the books I was with that ship lol. The movies are still great though.
Bro, rue’s death actually broke me. I hate people who say her death wasn’t important ☹️
It still destroys me after all these years 😭
I don’t know why anyone would freak out at Rue being black when she was black in the books matter of fact it says “ she’s the 12 year old the one who reminds me of Prim in size and Demeanor”
The girl with the red hair that was running a lot most likely knew what she was doing eating those berries bcs she knows a lot about plants and berries in the book and in the training scene she shown studying deadly plants and stuff
Benj I love you so much. But I will fight you for The Hunger Games.
Please Watch All Four Films please 🙏🥺🙏🥺.
😂😂 we will
The Is it Cake? / Peeta!? was hilarious.
I love how much you support each other's sense of humor 😂
I thought the Hunger Games movies were meh when they first came out and there were so many YA books saturating the market at the time and the one year gaps between each movie didn't help but I watched them again recently and they were way better than I remembered - Especially watching them all together.
Yea I think I wasn’t following with them being so far apart lol
5:59 yes, they're called "careers" as in "made a career of being a worthy tribute". It's usually the better off districts, and in the book, it's said that careers will volunteer more frequently because they **want** to fight
yall were talking about the humanity katniss shows rue being a catalist for the revolt. which is definitely true. BUT i think its also implied in the books that the revolts have been in motion even before katniss entered the picture. she was just an ez figure head to get behind.
Just chiming in to say that I like when you guys go off the rails, lol. I think it’s important to pay attention to the big moments in the movie/show, but i subscribed for the fun parts of the commentary, which include the outbursts and the offshoots
'Once you're out, you're free.' That's not even true even if the sequels didn't happen. It is not just the games themselves. They always belonged to the capital, but now you as an individual belongs to them. And if you refuse they will kill your entire family and everyone that matters to you. That is why Haymich is the way that he is. Honestly if you look into what I mean by this it is very messed up. Once you enter the games, you don't get to leave.
The weirdness and absurdity of this reality TV show death match world is kind of the point of it...
Look at the world we live in where, on the different news and media outlets, the basic day-to-day lives of glamorous celebrities are given the same importance (if not more sometimes) than the tragedy and suffering that a lot of the world is going through
This story is all about exaggeration of two extremes to show you how crazy it is and then when you compare it to the real world you're like, "well it's not too far-fetched"
exactly lmfao, these books/movies arent that crazy to think of in terms of our society, there is a lot of similarities, and thats the point.
My favorite "change" from the book to the movie is my sister being upset that the cat in the movie isn't orange. She thought it was a simple thing to keep correct but they didn't.
You’d think lol
they recasted the cat in subsequent films so i hope she was okay 🤣
I will not stand for book slander! The books are so good. Like with the dogs (get that it'd probably be hard to do it for a movie) imagine all these people you know have died including poor little Rue and suddenly you're being chased down by a pack of dogs that have the same eyes as them and you recognise the Rue dog trying to kill you. Also in the books, Cato falls off the roof and the dogs drag him under the building so Katniss and Peta can't see him but they hear him screaming all night which is just horrifying (meanwhile Peta is bleeding out)
Also Catching Fire is undoubtably the best movie
District 1 and 2 are called the career districts. They train kids to be killers that will always volunteer as tribute to win the games almost every year. They do brush on it a little in the first movie, but it’s a lot more obvious in catching fire that the victors from 1 and 2 are delighted to be back in the arena.
The rewatch of the last 2 was different for me. It has less of the Hunger Game action but as an adult the political/ social commentary was so poignant I liked it so much more.
Benjamin! 😮 You take that back right now, young man! Do NOT make me end our parasocial bestieship!
hahaha nooooooo
The 2012-2015 dystopian era was something else alright
You guys should watch The Maze Runner next!
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she is black in the book though, she has dark brown skin and eyes. Her family was compared to dark birds
the point of the hunger games is that it’s not fair the districts rose up against the capital and as punishment they are forced to go into the hunger games like there was an already an uprising for how the capital treated them but because of it they are punished with the hunger games so real it’s just a fear tactic to never uprise again
I think the Gamemakers deciding it was better to stop Katniss and Peeta from killing themselves and let them both live had more to do with the Capitol than the districts. The Capitol views the Games as just a big sporting event and they would have been extremely pissed if no one won. Many Capitol citizens place bets on tributes, so anyone with a lot of money on Katniss OR Peeta would have lost it all. They're also super gullible and easily influenced despite their repulsive love of the Games, so a lot of them probably really fell for the romance aspect and the Capitol figured they could continue to capitalize on that (pun intended). 😅
Firstly Rue was black in the books, its blatantly stated and the fans at the time were just racist.
Also, technically none of the districts are allowed to train their kids fore the hunger games to keep it fair but the richer districts like district 1, 2 and 3 can afford to do it sneakily which is why more kids from those districts do go in with the intention to volunteer whereas is the poorer districts everyone is weak and starving and has no training so people don't normally volunteer not even for family because there is such little chance they'd win anyway.
The games works because it is like a proxy war that keeps the districts hating each other rather then the capital, as they watch they're kids get killed repeatedly by other districts it keeps the hate from the capitol and on the districts who receive lots of attention and wealth for winning and killing other district kids.
Ooof that sucks they won’t even let them train!
In the book the reason she shot the apples was so they would spill out and set them all off, if she just threw a rock it would just set one off also, there are 3 career districts (Districts 1, 2 and 4) that train from childhood for the games and it's taken as an honour to participate, so they all volunteer (Don't ask me why it's 4 and not 3, I'm not really sure, but I think it's because district 3 is technology) Also, they had to keep up the lovey-dovey act because the victors come back as mentors
The Hunger Games movies are so good! Catching Fire is my favorite but the last two are also amazing and really emotional! The acting is really good as well. Jennifer Lawrence and Josh Hutchinson killed it in these roles! Can't wait for the next movie!
I love that everything Benji said that they should add is literally Cannon in the books
You have no idea how long I've waited for yall to watch this !! please do the whole trilogy
very very very late, but wanted to just say I love Benji keeps acting like he's expecting a dystopian dictatorship to enforce anything that makes sense: also also love that Benji is upset the dictator doesn't use birthday party themes for the death games
Oh Benji the books, a phenomenal, after i read the first i went the next day got the others and read them in one sitting. I had tribute night terrors for a week, worth it!
Similar to me. On two different instances while reading the books (right before I went to sleep), I had dreams just consisting of flashes of blood and dead bodies. It was not even of the characters, just random people. I know this sounds very odd, but the dreams were "weird" rather than scary.
Other people: Mad about the cast
Me: WELL TECHNICALLY THE CAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ORANGE!
didn't they change it for the sequels??? 👀
@@PinkPopcast Yeah they did. But 16 year old me was ticked off. 😂
By the way it should give you chills when Hamish said they don't take these things lightly he knows from experience he took advantage of a flaw in the system in his games the edge of the arena wasn't a force field it was basically like a canyon wall there was just nothing beneath it for as far as you could see and he like kicked a rock over it and it bounced back so when it was down to him and the last girl who I believe was from two she had an eye popping out and was chasing him with an ax his guts were hanging out and when he gets to the edge of the arena and she starts to pull back like she's going to throw the he just and she threw it and it went over him and over the side of the arena he stayed down she went to approach like she's just going to finish him off while he's cowering but he knew it was coming back and it hit her directly between the eyes the capital didn't like that he exploited that flaw in their system and basically cheated so they executed his entire family and his girlfriend this is basically why he's an alcoholic
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