It took so long to getting Lizzie talking, just floating like a cloud, but when she did... wow! Very visible, relateable and understandable analogys/characters, deep flashes of insight. Loved it all.
My INFJ mom used to always stay up late so she could have her "quiet time" after everyone else went to bed. Unfortunately, as a sleep-first INTJ, I am also a night owl so I'd still be up with her although not in the same room. When I was in college studying science I would get really excited about a lesson and come to her and start explaining it to her and she would TRY to seem interested but then her eyes would start glazing over. LOL. She really just wanted to have her alone time to ponder and I learned to give her that. But, poor woman would still then have to stay up even later than me simply because even though I was not coming into her room, just knowing that I was awake made it hard for her to wind down for bed. I once asked her why not just go to bed and she said she NEEDS that time alone where she won't be interrupted. I find that interesting because I have my extroverted judging function second as well but it doesn't upset me when people come into the room and need to Te with me. I enjoy Te. Maybe it's harder for Fe users because they have to use that Fe even if the other person is not using Fe whereas INTJs only have to use our Te if the other person needs it too, so y'all are ALWAYS using your aux function if people are around whereas we are not. That must be hard! I can see why you'd feel resentful.
That is so interesting, I’m an INFJ 6w5 and I need my alone time desperately but completely unbothered which includes noise from the neighbor, tv’s etc. I began waking up early to get quiet time, because a neighbor would work all day and come home at 11 and watch tv all night and I couldn’t relax because he was up and I could hear the tv, it really bothered me. So, waking up at 4/5am worked for me. Lol. x
@@BeyondSustainableLiving aww, thank you 🙏🏽 it is still a struggle wherever I live. I now know that I need lots of land and space between myself and neighbors lol, if even for my own sanity x
This is interesting. It's nice to hear others talk about needing alone time. As an only child INFJ I literally never have enough alone time. As long as I have pets for company. Lol
Here are the timestamps! 🙂 3:30 Vice and Virtue 5:56 Type 1 17:12 Type 5 33:15 Defense Mechanisms 37:32 Type 2 56:29 Type 3 1:06:15 Type 4 1:16:15 Type 6 1:28:23 Type 7 1:35:13 Type 8 1:43:53 Type 9 1:56:28 Ending Questions
- I learned Fe is cooperative than Te which is competitive. - INFJs 'feels' like 'socially tempered' INTJs. - I recall Joyce once mentioned on the 5 intj's video about the mic being muted when someone is speaking to the Te. This panel is doing just the same and in fact the whole video seemed very 'efficient' and 'calming'. Also btw, Karin's soothing Fe voice as Joyce commented carries a 'healing power' in my intj opinion. I used to hate my Ti critic but these guys made me appreciate Ti's reasons more and my PoLR Fe is now getting much clearer following your channel Joyce. Really, thanks for this great video and y'all infj cast.
0:01 into the video - I feel like I can tell that Matt is a 4w5 just by looking at that sweet face and those deep eyes! Haha :D This might just be my favorite TypeTalks EVER!! :D So pumped to see the dynamic(s) and unique energy output etc! Thank you Joyce
@@patchwickednot at all accurate. I'm an INTP 8w9 and people say that's impossible too. It's not. You need to do your research. Research MBTI, Enneagram but also psychology, psychiatry, neurology, philosophy, etc. ALL of the subjects relevant to the main topic. Scientifically it's confirmed that cognitive development is a proven fact. He had stated that he was raised in a tumultuous and demonstrative family so it makes sense. Enneagram 8's tend to have a history of trauma and abuse which definitely leads to cognitive development. However people are raised and life experiences that occur can ultimately change a person dramatically. This can in the end lead to a very strong minded person that's less corruptable. However you can't say anyone is mistyped without having proof. It's kind of an overly stigmatizing way of thinking about people if you don't critique your own way of thinking because you obviously didn't do any research at all...
I’m an INFJ 5w4 and I can relate to what Matt said up to minute 1:11:11 so much so that just a few days back I wrote this to my daughters....”I know I’m not just a survivor I am a warrior.... I know I have no fears of dying while fighting in my darkest hours because in a sense I’m already dead. I’m a nobody and I’m happy to be one... Im everything and nothing, I have everything when I have nothing to hang on to. No identification, no types, no culture, no past, nothing to call my own nothing to tight me down, I’m a free soul within a body that one day will be released into the cosmos to be that that I have always been. One little spec in this vast universe a “nobody” . 🙏🏼
It is like a constant war between our fe aux and fi critic with that enneagram 4. One side of us always trying to find our unique self. But the other side of us can't be only one thing. One personality is just not enough to keep all the world's positive and negative emotions that we absorve from our environment.
It's a weird feeling to look at the screen and think: “Incredible, a group of mini-mes.” As an INFJ 5w4, It's amazing how many things you guys have said that I can relate to. Thank you for that. With “mini” I mean of course the display size (unavoidable Fe-driven clarification, haha).
Loved this. I am INFJ 2w1 and related so much to Karin's insights about being a 2. By tendency, so much of our self worth is wrapped up in what other's think of us.... I am becoming more conscious of the underlying motives of my own patterning. It is fascinating and wonderful to become conscious and freer.
Tori! ❤ psychology, philosophy and politics! Yes yes yes!! I’d love to have a sit down conversation with her. Awww man Jessie! I just want to hug her! I feel that Lizzie and Jessie are the two who are more expressive in their environments as opposed to the stereotype of INFJ’s being minimalist like the others seem to be.
Thank you for pulling this video together. I watched and listened as if I was in the room!(although you all weren’t in the same room) This is so interesting!!! I have experienced the adult being not trustworthy part as kid, and once had the same dilemma of not speaking up because my Ti wasn’t developed enough to defend my positions. I also love international politics and relations from a psychological perspective. It’s awesome to hear this much detail, in depth, from my own people! Love y’al!!!❤
The neck thing is really interesting, people always commented on my stiff shoulders. Also I was unsure whether I was a core 1 or just had it in my tritype; It turns out these quirks are quite common among non-core 1's, so this is really helpful!
Absolutely loved how Joyce got so lit up & intrigued with Lizzie's examples. Great job on the examples, Lizzie!! Thanks INFJs. We love you! Another great video, Joyce. Keep up the helpful videos in making relationship even bettet!! 💗💗
I'm at 30:00 right now- does anyone else use this for productivity? When I really need to get something done it helps me to have someone in the room so that it pressures me to actually work- like accountability. If no one is there I'll be deep in thought but not actually productive.
One thing I notice INFJs do alot when asked a question is we tend to unconsciously either act like we don't understand the question or some random thing before actually answering it. It gives us a second to let it register without having to show it. I'm an INFJ but don't know much about enneagram. My ENTP friend just typed me a 1w9 and it looks pretty accurate. I still have to figure out my instincts. I'm curious to know what mbti the parents of each type are. I've heard enneagram is nurture based and mbti is nature based...
My mom is an enfp and dad an esfj . Took the ti and Fe from my dad and intuition dominance from my mom. Not sure it would be the same for everyone though
I like how Tori didnt say a single thing until prompted for and then just took over the show. Clearly a social variant and indeed representative of my type.
I’m a INFJ-A 8w7. I can completely relate to Keelan. We are the rarest type in most ways as well, so I imagine that can knock most people sideways as well.
I think I know an INFJ-A enneagram 8. Despite also being an INFJ (T & enneagram 5), I view her as being much more self-assured and confrontational if need be.
It's fun to be reminded of all of what we talked about, and catch some things that were said that I missed the first time. Thank you for facilitating this gathering, Joyce! I was honored to be a part of it. Lizzie, your song at the end. 😍
It was so great to have you on, Karin!! As mentioned by Johnnie, your voice does have a healing quality to it. It's very warm, friendly and inviting. You make people feel instantly loved through the kindness in your eyes & voice. Thank you for bringing your wonderful self on the panel, I'm so happy I got to talk to you again 🙂💙!
This is for Jessie. The reason we have emotions is because our emotions are our internal guidance system. They have an incredibly powerful purpose. They are there to let you know when you are getting off the path your better self has for you. You emotions are a beacon, signaling that you need to pay attention to some behavior that goes against what you truly want. For example, if you are feeling bad, ask yourself what self-talk are you doing that is going against you. Every time, when you feel bad, it is always because you are disrespecting yourself or someone else in your self-talk (which hurts you both). Emotions let you know you are doing that so you will realize it and make a change. Think of them like messengers, bringing you a warning that your thoughts are out of alignment with your inner beautiful self. I've heard a good analogy that emotions are like those little bumps along the edge of the road on the highway that will be really loud if you veer out of your lane towards the shoulder. They warn you to wake up and center yourself.
Oh wow, I'm an INTJ 5W6 and I can also pretty easily tell when a couple is not going to work out. So far, when I've predicted a couple was going to break up, they always have. But that seems so obvious because you can tell when people aren't being healthy with each other and that can't ever last long-term. So for me I predict it by watching their dynamic and just applying psychology knowlege. Interestingly my Mom was an INFJ and she was usually really good at this as well but sometimes she was overly cynical about people and I would be more optimistic and I'd be right more than her about people when it came to predicting their overall outcome and generally having a bit more faith in people. Maybe that's just because I believe at their core, most people are good and striving to be their best selves so I was betting on the right side of humanity. Idk. That being said, when she was analyzing a more specific trait or drive or motivation in someone, she TOTALLY would get it right every time and I would be off, often, when I was younger especially (my trickster Fe). But as I got older, I developed my Fe pretty well.
@@LittleMew133 Well, first I would notice whether or not one of them was in it for the wrong reasons (thinking over feeling), the “shoulds”, being with someone because you think you should be with them for logic reasons. That tends to go bad in the end. Also just seeing bad dynamics, subtle lack of kindness or respect by one or both partners, lots of impatience/annoyance with each other, etc. The “shoulds” factor is probably the biggest that you see in otherwise decent (not toxic) people. They simply didn’t take their deeper feelings into account when picking a partner. As an INTJ, I easily recognize this one. It’s pretty common and sad to see because they are unhappy but nobody is a bad person.
@@hfortenberry That's interesting. I can notice the negative emotions like impatience and annoyance. But the deeper reasons is hard to notice. I feel like you would have to ask them, no?
Wow, I really related to Emily having 75 tabs open in her browser...except for me it's more like 575. Yes I know that's ridiculous. I can't possibly be using all of those at once, right? BUT, I am. I do more than one thing at a time but not TOO many things. I'll usually do a few things at a time. So with my tabs, they are all a part of something I may have temporarily put on the back burner and am coming back to in a few weeks (for example) so I want to keep them handy. I've tried the whole Pocket and Bookmarks thing and that doesn't work for me. When I was younger, (I'm 52), I preferred working on just one thing at a time, I actually still enjoy that more (usually - depending on what it is and how long it's going to take or if it's something that I might get bored of if I don't get a break from it and need to change things up a bit temporarily) but I realized that I'm a FINISHER so I started playing this psychological game with myself in my later 30's that I would purposely start a lot of things (too many things) which would then force me to finish more because I did not like having loose ends and I would be driven to finish them, thereby being more productive. But, it sort of back-fired on me, LOL and it all started making me freeze up from TOO MUCH. Things came close to grinding to a halt and THAT was super STRESSFUL because I still hate all the loose ends. So now I'm doing that less and allowing myself to focus on fewer things at a time again so I can move more effortlessly in each without being distracted by the 10 other thing I started. Lesson learned. :-)
Yup. INFJ here with 550+ tabs open in one browser, 250+ & 325+ in 2 others, 75 tabs & 175+ tabs in another currently, split btwn iphone and laptop XP. The only reason why it's not even more out of hand is that my computer(+phone) periodically updates thus providing me with clean slate each time XD. It's more like my curiosity leads from one trail to the next, all the while I'm vetting, eliminating or integrating all these clues to some form of unifying theory of reality and how they all connect & give new insights to each other. I've been called nuts for this before but I somehow always end up with massive amounts of tabs lol.
Thank you for this Joyce, such an interesting conversation. I feel like I’ve had this conversation in my head when trying to understand the types and it’s wonderful to see it on the screen, lol. Like you, I’m a 6w5 and I am normally the ring leader or podium host on topics and help direct others. You did a wonderful job. Thank you to your guests as well. x
Nobody is responsible for the happiness of another human being. PERIOD. Each of us alone is responsible for our own happiness. Even if you WANTED to turn back flips and turn yourself inside out for everyone, it would never work because you'd inevitably have people who wanted the opposite of each other and you can't be two things at once. So it's just best to be yourself and do what you know is best for you (which means being a compassionate, loving person to both self as much as others) and allow the people who authentically mesh with the real you emerge into your life. Things are so much more effortless that way. Also, you should only do something for someone else if it lifts you BOTH up. If you ever harm yourself in the effort to help another person, then you are not truly helping them. I can see that Karin has learned that. ALL you Fe users need to understand that for your own sake and the sake of those who love you and the sake of the world who needs you to take care of yourself so you can be your best self because only when you love yourself can you bring your A game to the world. Your happiness matters too.
The contrast watching this after the one for ENFPs is hilarious 😆 (bc all the INFJs are so much more concise than ENFPs. I say this as an ENFP jealous of your consise-ness)
I'm a 6w5 too and I sometimes doubt my type as well. I do focus on worst case scenario and try to be prepared for each possibility. I also didn't relate to the "projecting" aspect of the 6, but recently realized I was doing it with co-workers. I was just blind to it! I was projecting something onto them and thinking I was not safe because of it. After talking about it with someone, I realized I was reading into things that may not really be there, or at least not to the extent I originally thought.
I related so hard to Matt when he talked about "withdrawing from all the chaos". Sometimes it's like I feel the need to look deep within me when something doesn't seem right. I have even taken extended breaks from school f.ex because of this, making the people around me thinking that I am lazy or depressed when that's not how it actually is.
1:37:28 I TOTALLY RELATE!!! I'm an 8w9 and I do related to how Keelan talked about hate being controlled or manipulated ; yep sure ennea 8 cares about their own personal freedom and autonomy a lot - but I think not just 8, but anyone do! Also for my take INFJ 8w9s in my opinion probably can gave off ISTP stereotypes, cause most ppl usually associate core 8 with higher Se, so ISxP 8s are more common - I'm an ISxP in MBTI I'm not an INFJ, but I can totally understand what Kee is talking about. But anyways INFJ 8 core is an interesting combination - some even says it doesn't exist cause this combo is weird and rare. "Papa bear" thing totally same with me, sure I gave off mysterious and chill vibes at first, but I am 100% someone with a lots of bravery, guts, and passion when you really get to know me. My take to core 8s are we can be brash and straightforward but still I believe we're just being honest, sure unhealthy 8s can be seen as this angry and toxic person, but healthy once are protective and will stand up for the weak(especially So8s ; and I think most of you probably knew what I'm talking about with the instinctual variation thing).
Probably a good way to help with the neck and shoulders is the proper pillow height, stretching lightly, and also meditating while relaxing the neck and shoulders, letting them drop...
Just to add. Astrology: Sun: Aquarius in 10th house Moon: Taurus in 12th house Rising: Gemini Mars: Pisces in 11th house Mercury: Pisces in 10th house Venus: Capricorn in 9th house Chiron: Sagittarius in 7th house INFJ 9w1 Self diagnosis with self study. BodyGraph: Have some traits like.. 24-61 channel complete both Subconsciously and Consciously. Defined Center: Head, Ajna, Throat, Sacral, Solar Plexus, Root. Undefined Centers: Heart, Spleen, G-Center
Emily - 1:32:34, and some minutes back. I know exactly what you mean and I have been doing the same for the longest time. I realized it is a "comfort" thing as well, big time. I think the minutes before when you mentioned it, they might have 'misunderstood' HOW you meant that, so I'm glad that you could get a chance to add to it a while after! "I just have them there". Yeah, me too.
My neck pain and much of my depressed thoughts disappeared when I cut the sugar and most grains out of my diet. I didn't even realize how much neck/back pain I had till it was gone. -INFJ 5w4
I adore the practical use of the enneagram, and it’s exposure of the ego rather than the stroking of the ego. Only thing it ever lacks or simply doesn’t supply, likely because humanity is complex, is clear compatible options. As a 5w4, we seek a perfect and ideal love, very similarly to 4w5.
@@nkopanelesedilebona9227 Hhahaha quantum-physics man, a huge interconnected interplay of all that is, beyond space and time :3 That's really cool! Sometimes, some friends and I have just "searched for", watched or realized the very same "thing", the next time we talk to each other. These kinds of things are happening so often the last years, super cool synchronicities in general too. Bless! :D
Joyce, I love how well you laid out your do and don't relate points for Enneagram type 6! You have such good Te! If I may say so. It was so clear and easy to understand and follow. And the considerations and uncertainties you touched on seemed like they were prepared exactly for what I was going to wonder about.
I love the panel style forum and enjoyed panelists. I have to do more research myself. I would start expressing all that I took from each of you but If I start, i’d be here for an hr or 2, so its best if I say, collectively, not only do I relate but its fascinating to learn and hear your own experiences, struggles and strengths. Ive tapped into a little of what Jessie talked about: “putting it out into the world.” Im building endurance and consistency doing that, as we all should. I’ve had a lot held within, its time to start putting out. I know I have a lot too offer. Thanks yall! INFJ 🙋🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
lol, The neck thing. So I don't know much about enneagram but I'm pretty sure I have 1 somewhere in there. I had to go to a chiropractor after a car accident where I ended up with a bulging disc in my neck (I tensed up my neck when I saw the car coming, go figure)- I was told I have A LOT if tension in my neck and shoulders. They had to basically loosen the area out for weeks before the chiropractor could adjust my neck. The adjustments helped with the anxiety before I wasn't able to get them anymore. No kidding.
23.55 Gooooood yes! I am not "alone" in this haha! Feels like an Ni-Ti thing, mainly Ni-laser focus or whatever, just want to "do its own thing" and not enter the externalized realm of experience socially. I've probably guilt tripped myself some 1000's of times for even getting this "feeling"/negative stuff coming up when this happens, throughout my life! It is like I "cannot do both at the same time".
1:19:17-ish. Totally relate to that Joyce. Don't know how many times I even stated that out loud or have written about it and so on. Most "adults" are reaaaaally not "adults", just robotic and half(sometimes just about fully ) dead before they turn 30-40 years of age.
Interesting. It's neat to see all the types of INFJs. My dad who is an ENFP questioned why I always stay up and I told him ever since I was little this was how I am. It is when I do most of my thinking, studying, or relaxing. I sleep very little and am always tired, but when I am awake my thoughts are instantly just bubbling. I typed as 1w2 right now and that makes sense because I feel like my job emphasizes this.
Emily, if you happen to read this comment, I have adhd, a chronic infection of enneagram 4ness and a severe case of Infjism. I’m not a 7, but I am extremely curious and am super distractible and novelty seeking among my already preferred subjects of interest. I get bored and need to ramp up the stimulation, whether physical, mental, emotional etc... I think I’m fairly energetically extroverted for an INFJ, but I’m emotionally guarded and for lack of a better term - a “hater.” I don’t want to socialize (people: I can take em’ or leave em’) so instead that energy goes into my MANY hobbies and areas of study. Like Anna mentioned, I find the mental clutter and flight of ideas to be overwhelming. I’m constantly torn because I want to go so strongly in so many different directions (at least creatively speaking). On the other hand making a list takes a lot of effort... so I’ve just gotten better at putting out fires as they arise and enduring the extreme discomfort of flying from the seat of my pants. So anyways, I just wanted to say, it’s possible to be a less conscientious more novelty-seeking Infj with 50 bizillion tabs open on your computer.For me - it all starts from one question- one Wikipedia article, and then I begin to realize just how much I need to know in order to understand the first question I asked, hence the multiple tabs. (In a weird way I just realized that that’s sort of it’s own form of pseudo-conscientiousness).This was a nice discussion. I had been hoping Joyce would make a video like this. Thanks to all who participated... and read this far down a UA-cam comment.
If such things you describe seem to all go againt what Ni stand for (everything leading to one thing rather than an expasion of one thing into multiple others) , then what makes you think you're an INFJ in the first place? Would that not need a lot of complex reasoning (mental acrobatics) in order to make the Ni dom idea seem the most reasonable choice as ones type?
@@PowerRedBullTypology You’re absolutely right. I now understand that my own self assessment of 30+ years is wrong. You’ve cured me of my imbecilic notion that individuals have complexity. . Thank you PRB! What would the typology do without your extreme superiority?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Every village needs its very own smug village troll. Congratulations! You’ve won your very own label (which I assume you will tuck away with all the other labels you’ve carefully collected and curated). You have to split the award with Demon Windu though. It was a tie. You guys can celebrate your victory with the traditional label party. You can dump all those labels out on the bed and then you can roll around in them like they’re money... managing the certain uncertainty with a voracious label lust. Who knows what might follow... when trolls rolls together. This is exciting stuff.
@@Justinehumanity Is it ok if we stop the namecalling and sarcastic remarks and return to the original question itself, that you did not really answer so far? I'm actually interested to hear what your reasons are, as odd as that may sound to you ;) What you describe all seem to be "expansive" things, which are fundamentally the opposite of Ni is perceived to be about. Ni is typically about the redution of things rather than expansion. How do you get from all these expansive examples you describe towards the conclusion that the common thing about them is that they're about reduction? Examples: - torn becasue want you want to go in different directions (expansion) - 50 bizillion tabs open, start with 1 wiki question (expansion rather than reduction) - MANY hobbies and areas of study (expansion rather than reduction) - super distractable (expansion from one activity to others ) However, maybe you do not prefer to actually adress my question but would rather continue with giving me more labels? I mean, we can do that too if you like. I'm a flexible guy you know ;)
The neck pain is a big one! I feel like it was from my tense nature and inability to fckn RELAX. I’ve gotten a little better with it over the past year or so. 👽 INFJ 5 (not sure of how to find the wing)
Thank you for explaining your numbers for me, i felt i had something in common with most of you. Being 5/4 it isn't to weird , but it's still normal to be rather complicated, thank you for explaining this to me, a new normal for me!
1.Why does Anna seen more flow-y than Joyce? In fact, both Joyce and Tori seems to have similar speech patterns. Is it enneagram related? Or is it tied to self image? Or it it absence / presence of Non-Dual Experiences? Or Ti is more in the foreground? Or is it Openness to experience from the big-5 test? 2. There is some kind of heaviness to Karin's speech pattern ( perhaps she carries weight for many things/people and that's in the background?). On the otherhand, Emily's background is lightness. She is less liable for other people's happiness? Wild Guesses. 3. Joyce is interested in the depth and darkness of humanity while simultaneously being afraid of it. A complex relationship to her work? All in all great content. Thanks to Joyce. I hope she reaches her 1200 hrs goal.
Hi @Rainy Day commenter! Tori and I grew up in Asian households, which impacts our vocal tone. Some subsections of Asian culture discourage emotional expression, and it can go down to speech pattern. So as feelers, we can seem a little more subdued. 🙂 Also thank you!!! Happy you liked it.
@@JoyceMeng22 Thank you. Hmmmm.....There might be more to it than just asian household though. Ikram in ESFP roundtable seems more flowy than Mary Anna. It's not good or bad. Just an observation. Maybe it has something to do with relationship to self. How comfortable are you/me slipping on a banana peel in front of everyone? (perhaps it would be fun question to ask in some future panels!) best of luck Joyce.
What an observation but missed the flirting session of Keelan towards Lizzie.. it’s so interesting how we do that... we notice even the most subtle things.. 🤪
Infp type 4w5 IEI 459. ....now that I'm done with that. I loved this !!! I just love the softness and humble character of the infj 2 and 9. My daughter is an infp 9w1 and she is just the most harmonious little doll, I had to help her gain confidence and boundaries and through that she has just blossomed! A humble leader. My other daughter is an enfp ...I think type 6w7. So compassionate and loving and ingenious but big time homebody and sometimes.obstinate. I am so happy to see more practioners combining the two typing systems. You can definitely feel the edge of type 1 and 3.. .
It was nice to see Tori H here. I am also 5w4 (tritype 594). I find that the 4 means that I don't always relate to the concept that because of Fe INFJs don't know what they are feeling. The 5 still means that I like some distance from my feelings though. Approaching things analytically is more comfortable for me, but the Fe will come out for others (& I utilize the 9). Wallowing or luxuriating in feeling isn't quite the word I'm looking for, but I'm not that into doing it. I definitely need the filter. Needs though- Yes. The 9/Fe does come out there where it can take me a bit to figure mine out.
For Emily, who is a 7 with 6, I wish I could ask -- she is an INFJ but her enneagram 7 sounds a lot like an ENFP or other E__ P. How does she identify as an INFJ over another MBTI type?
Hi there! I agree that the 7w6 description sounds a lot like ExFP types, that was my first thought when I read it lol. Essentially I was able to figure out my MBTI type based on the cognitive functions alone - it has always been pretty obvious my whole life that I'm an introvert, and it's clear that my feeling process is Fe and not Fi, which would rule out any of the FP types. I do recognize that I have a need for stimulation, but it is different from ExFP types in that my need for stimulation is based on fear of sitting with my negative thoughts, whereas an ExxP type wants the stimulation to fuel their dominant Ne or Se. My parents are ENTP and ESFP and there is a pretty stark difference between their ability to process a lot of stimulation and mine! They have much more energy than I do, they multitask better, and they shift seamlessly from one activity to the next. I enjoy excitement, but I function much more effectively when I have the space and time to focus without interruption.
@@emilydawn275 Thanks Emily, that is a good way to see the difference between EN-P and INFJ who is also a 7. I am just curious b/c I am ENFP, but I relate a lot to what people are saying here about INFJs, especially your need for stimulation. I can multi task and need a lot of stimulation, yet as a 6 with wing 7, I am not nearly as comfortable with shifting from activity to activity as ES_Ps in particular. (My need might arise with overdoing UA-cam videos and articles, trying to work out the different MBTI patterns.) My brother is an ESTP and a 7, and he is sooo comfortable in the world, moving from activity to activity, very easy with people, doesn't seem to need much time alone, etc. Even as a social subtype, I am naturally very cautious in social dealings and prefer to know what to expect when I am getting together with others, etc. While I can handle the overstimulation of say, an amusement park, my reason for being there is because friends want to be there. I would much prefer a calmer get together of lunch and conversation, or game night with another couple, or (if more active) going with my family or a friend to a tourist town and going through the shops, etc. Similar to introverts, I am also happy staying home reading and puttering around the house, and after an afternoon of external world stimulation, I really need to escape to my office or decompress in some way. I think this is due to being an intuitive rather than a sensor. Where I am extraverted is that it's hard for me to say 'no' and miss out. I worry I am missing something :(
I can so much relate that the face " turns on", I'm still struggling to Accenture my Fe as an authentic part of me. Now I can fully! understand why its more difficult to be me around people! I also can relate a lot to Tory, when she talks about that Fe is sometimes "annoying" !!!!
I really enjoyed this. I’m still very new to my understanding of the enneagram. In the past I typed as an INFP 4w5 and I think that was because I answered questions based on how I perceive myself or how I wanted to be in the future. Most recently I really looked into the cognitive functions and realized I relate much much more to being an INFJ. So that made me concerned that my enneagram was also incorrect. I retested as a type 5 with equal wings lol but type 9 was second highest and I relate to 9s more. My tritype (which I never even knew existed 😳 there’s so much to learn) is 639. Anyways I really resonated with Lizzy saying 9s are a cloud. So I feel like I’m definitely a 9.
It's annoying when people in typology often say that "not all enneagram + mbti combo" is possible but Joyce you shut them up! Love ya and your channel! + I subscribe!
I've noticed many INFJs (as well as INTJs) report feeling alien towards to the rest of the species. I've read this may be attributed to inferior Se. I've also read this may be attributed to being a rarer personality type. What info do you have on this? (Outside of MBTI, this feeling is reported among individuals with ASD)
I relate in having to have my own space to consume material and also to interact with my environment. I like to get away on the metro to do this. (9w1)
Im a 5w6 (but could be a tritype not sure though)and a lot like tori i got mistyped as an intj and intp a lot of times.I a lot of times appear cold and (no im not proud of it)this rly is something that kind of makes me look like an intj along with detachment.but i feel really guilty when i do act cold.i think that guilt is something that seperates type 5 infjs and intjs.does any other infj type 5 relate?(sorry if this was too long😅)
As a Fellow 4w5, I feel for Matt. I also need to withdraw in order to resolve a problem, also the outfit thing is real for me as well. I mainly dress for comfort but other ppl think I dress like a "slob." Thing is what defines a "slob"? Everyone's views are different. Talking about different views, I also had many situations where people tried to change my beliefs and it doesn't work but I'll say in cryptic things like "oh I see how you believe that." Or "that's interesting." Etc. Also the sitting down and analyzing my feelings is too true as well. I'll analyze my emotions down to philosophical numbers. 😂.
As long as they are controlling me in the way I was going anyway but as soon as they want me to go where I don't I do the "Greyhound freeze" and they are shocked how stubborn I can be and I will not change my mind to go where they want me to
I found this forum very interesting. I am perceived to be a 9 most of the time. I can relate to everyone's types at some time in my past. I am very turbulent. When I teach a class for example I can take control but I am so sensitive to others needs. I shift gears very quickly depending on circumstances. Thank you all for organizing this video.
I’m a 4w3 and related to Jessie and Matt the most actually lol. I doubted I’m an infj bc I enjoy fashion and standing out in that way, so it was cool to hear Matt say he’s the same as a 4. Also, it’s paradoxical bc I enjoy standing out in fashion but I also mimic others same as Jessie 😂
When I saw what infjs could be, for me, as for infj, they seemed very strange, artificial, as if unable to understand that they looked strange, although I understand this and try to influence myself. Here only Lizzie seems real to me and so much like me, it's like INFJ². It seems to me that in any such situation, I would behave the same way, it just seems that although everyone is INFJs, they are too eager to discuss it, while I just want to know more about all this, to learn and appreciate it all for myself. I write it with Google translate (It's doesn't matter, maybe) Actually, I'm more similar, probably, to 1w9, but I don't know for sure, but 9 should definitely be, while 8 doesn't fits well, it seems to me. There is no 1w9, unfortunately (In video, not comments) It looks so self-confident, someone might think that I am not an INFJ (Although, why?), Someone might think that I am wrong about the types of enneagram, but I hope (very very very HOPE) that I am not mistaken ( It was not for nothing that I passed a bunch of tests, and in most cases I got INFJ, it was not for nothing that I passed a bunch of tests and in most cases I got types 1 and 9 of the enneagram (In fact, types 4 and 5 were often met, but I'm 100% sure that I'm not 5, and I don't look like 4 much (at least some of these people are strange ...)), it's not for nothing that I read the INFJ profile on Typeinmind.com (or what is there after the dot?) and understood that if everything converges, then 99% of everything that is written there (In fact, probably 93% converges (at first I wanted to write that 88%))). Nightmare... So, you understood me. 🙃 Wonderful.
I have wanted to write something like this for a long time and thought that I would never write it because I needed some special conditions ... But I did. And I'm a man 🤦♂️ (But it's still cute).
As a fellow 9w1, i got the feeling that Lizzie would've liked just sitting back and observe everyone enjoy conversing with each other
Haha yes. I personally know Lizzie she’s the best listener and friend ❤️ everyone needs a Lizzie in their life :)
I can relate to her. She talks about others rather than herself and feels stunned when someone finally asked about her
This is the MBTI equivalent of a Spider-Verse event
Ive been wondering this for like 2 days so its funny to see this comment 😂😂
Love it!
Is it cus everyone has a different enneagram or because they’re just that good at speaking?
It took so long to getting Lizzie talking, just floating like a cloud, but when she did... wow! Very visible, relateable and understandable analogys/characters, deep flashes of insight. Loved it all.
My INFJ mom used to always stay up late so she could have her "quiet time" after everyone else went to bed. Unfortunately, as a sleep-first INTJ, I am also a night owl so I'd still be up with her although not in the same room. When I was in college studying science I would get really excited about a lesson and come to her and start explaining it to her and she would TRY to seem interested but then her eyes would start glazing over. LOL. She really just wanted to have her alone time to ponder and I learned to give her that. But, poor woman would still then have to stay up even later than me simply because even though I was not coming into her room, just knowing that I was awake made it hard for her to wind down for bed. I once asked her why not just go to bed and she said she NEEDS that time alone where she won't be interrupted. I find that interesting because I have my extroverted judging function second as well but it doesn't upset me when people come into the room and need to Te with me. I enjoy Te. Maybe it's harder for Fe users because they have to use that Fe even if the other person is not using Fe whereas INTJs only have to use our Te if the other person needs it too, so y'all are ALWAYS using your aux function if people are around whereas we are not. That must be hard! I can see why you'd feel resentful.
That is so interesting, I’m an INFJ 6w5 and I need my alone time desperately but completely unbothered which includes noise from the neighbor, tv’s etc. I began waking up early to get quiet time, because a neighbor would work all day and come home at 11 and watch tv all night and I couldn’t relax because he was up and I could hear the tv, it really bothered me. So, waking up at 4/5am worked for me. Lol. x
@@Moonladyify It sucks that you had to change your life around to accommodate a noisy neighbor but I admire that you were able to do that.
@@BeyondSustainableLiving aww, thank you 🙏🏽 it is still a struggle wherever I live. I now know that I need lots of land and space between myself and neighbors lol, if even for my own sanity x
This is interesting. It's nice to hear others talk about needing alone time.
As an only child INFJ I literally never have enough alone time. As long as I have pets for company. Lol
You're right. Te is probably the most energy-optimized function. Fe can be very draining.
Amazing that you were able to find an INFJ for each enneagram type and get them all in one video!!!
Here are the timestamps! 🙂
3:30 Vice and Virtue
5:56 Type 1
17:12 Type 5
33:15 Defense Mechanisms
37:32 Type 2
56:29 Type 3
1:06:15 Type 4
1:16:15 Type 6
1:28:23 Type 7
1:35:13 Type 8
1:43:53 Type 9
1:56:28 Ending Questions
Thx rly needed this
Bless you.
- I learned Fe is cooperative than Te which is competitive.
- INFJs 'feels' like 'socially tempered' INTJs.
- I recall Joyce once mentioned on the 5 intj's video about the mic being muted when someone is speaking to the Te. This panel is doing just the same and in fact the whole video seemed very 'efficient' and 'calming'. Also btw, Karin's soothing Fe voice as Joyce commented carries a 'healing power' in my intj opinion. I used to hate my Ti critic but these guys made me appreciate Ti's reasons more and my PoLR Fe is now getting much clearer following your channel Joyce. Really, thanks for this great video and y'all infj cast.
Thanks for your compliment and comment, @Johnnie Dilang Cruz, and for watching our discussion!
0:01 into the video - I feel like I can tell that Matt is a 4w5 just by looking at that sweet face and those deep eyes! Haha :D
This might just be my favorite TypeTalks EVER!! :D So pumped to see the dynamic(s) and unique energy output etc!
Thank you Joyce
💖💖 Yay!!! A new favourite video. :) Huzzah! Matt really does embody the 4 quite strongly haha.
Wentworth Miller is a 4w5 (or a 5w4) and he's just like this
What is your enneagram !? I can't recall...
Where did you even get an INFJ 8w9 lol
She went people hunting.
@@beybrain7896 yes
Prolly a mistype.
@@patchwickednot at all accurate. I'm an INTP 8w9 and people say that's impossible too. It's not. You need to do your research. Research MBTI, Enneagram but also psychology, psychiatry, neurology, philosophy, etc. ALL of the subjects relevant to the main topic. Scientifically it's confirmed that cognitive development is a proven fact. He had stated that he was raised in a tumultuous and demonstrative family so it makes sense. Enneagram 8's tend to have a history of trauma and abuse which definitely leads to cognitive development. However people are raised and life experiences that occur can ultimately change a person dramatically. This can in the end lead to a very strong minded person that's less corruptable. However you can't say anyone is mistyped without having proof. It's kind of an overly stigmatizing way of thinking about people if you don't critique your own way of thinking because you obviously didn't do any research at all...
I’m an INFJ 5w4 and I can relate to what Matt said up to minute 1:11:11 so much so that just a few days back I wrote this to my daughters....”I know I’m not just a survivor I am a warrior.... I know I have no fears of dying while fighting in my darkest hours because in a sense I’m already dead. I’m a nobody and I’m happy to be one... Im everything and nothing, I have everything when I have nothing to hang on to. No identification, no types, no culture, no past, nothing to call my own nothing to tight me down, I’m a free soul within a body that one day will be released into the cosmos to be that that I have always been. One little spec in this vast universe a “nobody” . 🙏🏼
It is like a constant war between our fe aux and fi critic with that enneagram 4. One side of us always trying to find our unique self. But the other side of us can't be only one thing. One personality is just not enough to keep all the world's positive and negative emotions that we absorve from our environment.
if you were my mom and you wrote me that I would've been "mom shut your ass up and go to sleep, stop with the nonsense bs" - ISTJ
Karin definitely has kind eyes! A gift to the world indeed! 💗💗
It's a weird feeling to look at the screen and think: “Incredible, a group of mini-mes.” As an INFJ 5w4, It's amazing how many things you guys have said that I can relate to. Thank you for that.
With “mini” I mean of course the display size (unavoidable Fe-driven clarification, haha).
My INFJ Mom loved cats because they had their own personality and independent spirit and love.
I say cats are the only narcissist I will still give my attention but I prefer friendship of a good dog.
I'm Infj and don't like cats at all
Loved this. I am INFJ 2w1 and related so much to Karin's insights about being a 2. By tendency, so much of our self worth is wrapped up in what other's think of us.... I am becoming more conscious of the underlying motives of my own patterning. It is fascinating and wonderful to become conscious and freer.
Tori! ❤ psychology, philosophy and politics! Yes yes yes!! I’d love to have a sit down conversation with her.
Awww man Jessie! I just want to hug her!
I feel that Lizzie and Jessie are the two who are more expressive in their environments as opposed to the stereotype of INFJ’s being minimalist like the others seem to be.
Thank you for pulling this video together. I watched and listened as if I was in the room!(although you all weren’t in the same room) This is so interesting!!! I have experienced the adult being not trustworthy part as kid, and once had the same dilemma of not speaking up because my Ti wasn’t developed enough to defend my positions. I also love international politics and relations from a psychological perspective. It’s awesome to hear this much detail, in depth, from my own people! Love y’al!!!❤
The neck thing is really interesting, people always commented on my stiff shoulders. Also I was unsure whether I was a core 1 or just had it in my tritype; It turns out these quirks are quite common among non-core 1's, so this is really helpful!
I just love INFJs
We love INTJs
Absolutely loved how Joyce got so lit up & intrigued with Lizzie's examples. Great job on the examples, Lizzie!!
Thanks INFJs. We love you! Another great video, Joyce. Keep up the helpful videos in making relationship even bettet!! 💗💗
💖 Linds Lou, you are an absolute darling. Thank you!! :)
@@JoyceMeng22 aww. 💗💗 You are so sweet, Joyce!
I'm at 30:00 right now- does anyone else use this for productivity? When I really need to get something done it helps me to have someone in the room so that it pressures me to actually work- like accountability. If no one is there I'll be deep in thought but not actually productive.
One thing I notice INFJs do alot when asked a question is we tend to unconsciously either act like we don't understand the question or some random thing before actually answering it. It gives us a second to let it register without having to show it. I'm an INFJ but don't know much about enneagram. My ENTP friend just typed me a 1w9 and it looks pretty accurate. I still have to figure out my instincts.
I'm curious to know what mbti the parents of each type are. I've heard enneagram is nurture based and mbti is nature based...
My mom is an enfp and dad an esfj . Took the ti and Fe from my dad and intuition dominance from my mom. Not sure it would be the same for everyone though
"The pressure to perform..."
I swear... No truer words...
I like how Tori didnt say a single thing until prompted for and then just took over the show. Clearly a social variant and indeed representative of my type.
I’m a INFJ-A 8w7. I can completely relate to Keelan. We are the rarest type in most ways as well, so I imagine that can knock most people sideways as well.
Me too! INFJ-A 8w7
I think I know an INFJ-A enneagram 8. Despite also being an INFJ (T & enneagram 5), I view her as being much more self-assured and confrontational if need be.
It's fun to be reminded of all of what we talked about, and catch some things that were said that I missed the first time. Thank you for facilitating this gathering, Joyce! I was honored to be a part of it.
Lizzie, your song at the end. 😍
It was so great to have you on, Karin!! As mentioned by Johnnie, your voice does have a healing quality to it. It's very warm, friendly and inviting. You make people feel instantly loved through the kindness in your eyes & voice. Thank you for bringing your wonderful self on the panel, I'm so happy I got to talk to you again 🙂💙!
@@JoyceMeng22 oh, thank you, Joyce! I'm looking forward to watching the future enneagram/mbti panels you'll be making. 🙂
Look at the16types forum - an expansion of Jung typology. Your type can have S, not N.
Karin sounds like a really healthy 2!
She really is! 💖
This is for Jessie. The reason we have emotions is because our emotions are our internal guidance system. They have an incredibly powerful purpose. They are there to let you know when you are getting off the path your better self has for you. You emotions are a beacon, signaling that you need to pay attention to some behavior that goes against what you truly want. For example, if you are feeling bad, ask yourself what self-talk are you doing that is going against you. Every time, when you feel bad, it is always because you are disrespecting yourself or someone else in your self-talk (which hurts you both). Emotions let you know you are doing that so you will realize it and make a change. Think of them like messengers, bringing you a warning that your thoughts are out of alignment with your inner beautiful self. I've heard a good analogy that emotions are like those little bumps along the edge of the road on the highway that will be really loud if you veer out of your lane towards the shoulder. They warn you to wake up and center yourself.
This is really beautiful 😭💜
You're wise, Holly. This makes so much sense. Miss seeing you in MBTI videos.
11:40 _Asks a question_ *nobody responds* _This is fascinating!_
Haha 😂🙂 The whole chat was fascinating to me! That's what I meant
Oh wow, I'm an INTJ 5W6 and I can also pretty easily tell when a couple is not going to work out. So far, when I've predicted a couple was going to break up, they always have. But that seems so obvious because you can tell when people aren't being healthy with each other and that can't ever last long-term. So for me I predict it by watching their dynamic and just applying psychology knowlege. Interestingly my Mom was an INFJ and she was usually really good at this as well but sometimes she was overly cynical about people and I would be more optimistic and I'd be right more than her about people when it came to predicting their overall outcome and generally having a bit more faith in people. Maybe that's just because I believe at their core, most people are good and striving to be their best selves so I was betting on the right side of humanity. Idk. That being said, when she was analyzing a more specific trait or drive or motivation in someone, she TOTALLY would get it right every time and I would be off, often, when I was younger especially (my trickster Fe). But as I got older, I developed my Fe pretty well.
How do you tell which couples would make it? Which particular patterns do you look for? I'm also INFJ :)
@@LittleMew133 Well, first I would notice whether or not one of them was in it for the wrong reasons (thinking over feeling), the “shoulds”, being with someone because you think you should be with them for logic reasons. That tends to go bad in the end. Also just seeing bad dynamics, subtle lack of kindness or respect by one or both partners, lots of impatience/annoyance with each other, etc. The “shoulds” factor is probably the biggest that you see in otherwise decent (not toxic) people. They simply didn’t take their deeper feelings into account when picking a partner. As an INTJ, I easily recognize this one. It’s pretty common and sad to see because they are unhappy but nobody is a bad person.
@@hfortenberry That's interesting. I can notice the negative emotions like impatience and annoyance. But the deeper reasons is hard to notice. I feel like you would have to ask them, no?
Wow, I really related to Emily having 75 tabs open in her browser...except for me it's more like 575. Yes I know that's ridiculous. I can't possibly be using all of those at once, right? BUT, I am. I do more than one thing at a time but not TOO many things. I'll usually do a few things at a time. So with my tabs, they are all a part of something I may have temporarily put on the back burner and am coming back to in a few weeks (for example) so I want to keep them handy. I've tried the whole Pocket and Bookmarks thing and that doesn't work for me.
When I was younger, (I'm 52), I preferred working on just one thing at a time, I actually still enjoy that more (usually - depending on what it is and how long it's going to take or if it's something that I might get bored of if I don't get a break from it and need to change things up a bit temporarily) but I realized that I'm a FINISHER so I started playing this psychological game with myself in my later 30's that I would purposely start a lot of things (too many things) which would then force me to finish more because I did not like having loose ends and I would be driven to finish them, thereby being more productive. But, it sort of back-fired on me, LOL and it all started making me freeze up from TOO MUCH. Things came close to grinding to a halt and THAT was super STRESSFUL because I still hate all the loose ends. So now I'm doing that less and allowing myself to focus on fewer things at a time again so I can move more effortlessly in each without being distracted by the 10 other thing I started. Lesson learned. :-)
Yup. INFJ here with 550+ tabs open in one browser, 250+ & 325+ in 2 others, 75 tabs & 175+ tabs in another currently, split btwn iphone and laptop XP. The only reason why it's not even more out of hand is that my computer(+phone) periodically updates thus providing me with clean slate each time XD. It's more like my curiosity leads from one trail to the next, all the while I'm vetting, eliminating or integrating all these clues to some form of unifying theory of reality and how they all connect & give new insights to each other. I've been called nuts for this before but I somehow always end up with massive amounts of tabs lol.
Oohh. I’m going to settle in for this one.
😃 Awesome. Hope you enjoyed watching @High Grade!!
Thank you for this Joyce, such an interesting conversation. I feel like I’ve had this conversation in my head when trying to understand the types and it’s wonderful to see it on the screen, lol. Like you, I’m a 6w5 and I am normally the ring leader or podium host on topics and help direct others. You did a wonderful job. Thank you to your guests as well. x
Oooo! I've been waiting for one of those!
Very helpful. INTJ next?
This was fantastic to watch Joyce. Love your channel. You're a great host. I've learned so much. x
Thank you so much! I'm happy you've learnt a lot from the series, Jasmine :)
Nobody is responsible for the happiness of another human being. PERIOD. Each of us alone is responsible for our own happiness. Even if you WANTED to turn back flips and turn yourself inside out for everyone, it would never work because you'd inevitably have people who wanted the opposite of each other and you can't be two things at once. So it's just best to be yourself and do what you know is best for you (which means being a compassionate, loving person to both self as much as others) and allow the people who authentically mesh with the real you emerge into your life. Things are so much more effortless that way.
Also, you should only do something for someone else if it lifts you BOTH up. If you ever harm yourself in the effort to help another person, then you are not truly helping them. I can see that Karin has learned that. ALL you Fe users need to understand that for your own sake and the sake of those who love you and the sake of the world who needs you to take care of yourself so you can be your best self because only when you love yourself can you bring your A game to the world. Your happiness matters too.
The contrast watching this after the one for ENFPs is hilarious 😆 (bc all the INFJs are so much more concise than ENFPs. I say this as an ENFP jealous of your consise-ness)
I'm a 6w5 too and I sometimes doubt my type as well. I do focus on worst case scenario and try to be prepared for each possibility. I also didn't relate to the "projecting" aspect of the 6, but recently realized I was doing it with co-workers. I was just blind to it! I was projecting something onto them and thinking I was not safe because of it. After talking about it with someone, I realized I was reading into things that may not really be there, or at least not to the extent I originally thought.
I related so hard to Matt when he talked about "withdrawing from all the chaos". Sometimes it's like I feel the need to look deep within me when something doesn't seem right. I have even taken extended breaks from school f.ex because of this, making the people around me thinking that I am lazy or depressed when that's not how it actually is.
I am INFJ 4w3 if anyone is curious.
Yeah it is so easily misunderstood by "others".. I feel you. Are you 4w5 too?? Relate to the whole comment.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson 4w3
I was about to show this to ny friend, then I realised it was you the whole time 😂. - Hikari
@@nkopanelesedilebona9227 :O
1:37:28 I TOTALLY RELATE!!! I'm an 8w9 and I do related to how Keelan talked about hate being controlled or manipulated ; yep sure ennea 8 cares about their own personal freedom and autonomy a lot - but I think not just 8, but anyone do!
Also for my take INFJ 8w9s in my opinion probably can gave off ISTP stereotypes, cause most ppl usually associate core 8 with higher Se, so ISxP 8s are more common - I'm an ISxP in MBTI I'm not an INFJ, but I can totally understand what Kee is talking about.
But anyways INFJ 8 core is an interesting combination - some even says it doesn't exist cause this combo is weird and rare.
"Papa bear" thing totally same with me, sure I gave off mysterious and chill vibes at first, but I am 100% someone with a lots of bravery, guts, and passion when you really get to know me.
My take to core 8s are we can be brash and straightforward but still I believe we're just being honest, sure unhealthy 8s can be seen as this angry and toxic person, but healthy once are protective and will stand up for the weak(especially So8s ; and I think most of you probably knew what I'm talking about with the instinctual variation thing).
Probably a good way to help with the neck and shoulders is the proper pillow height, stretching lightly, and also meditating while relaxing the neck and shoulders, letting them drop...
INFJ 9w1 here.
I loved this. I related strongly with the defense mechanism of 9 😂.
I would say that just like a cloud, we roam with the wind.
Just to add.
Astrology:
Sun: Aquarius in 10th house
Moon: Taurus in 12th house
Rising: Gemini
Mars: Pisces in 11th house
Mercury: Pisces in 10th house
Venus: Capricorn in 9th house
Chiron: Sagittarius in 7th house
INFJ 9w1
Self diagnosis with self study.
BodyGraph:
Have some traits like..
24-61 channel complete both Subconsciously and Consciously.
Defined Center: Head, Ajna, Throat, Sacral, Solar Plexus, Root.
Undefined Centers: Heart, Spleen, G-Center
For me 9w1 with infj wants to figure out how to make others content also
Emily - 1:32:34, and some minutes back. I know exactly what you mean and I have been doing the same for the longest time. I realized it is a "comfort" thing as well, big time.
I think the minutes before when you mentioned it, they might have 'misunderstood' HOW you meant that, so I'm glad that you could get a chance to add to it a while after!
"I just have them there". Yeah, me too.
1.48.20 yeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss, there are so many examples of this, over and over again. 1.48.46 - yep it tends to come true! :)
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson you're the Justin Y of the mbti community, you're everywhere
Great video Joyce (and everyone), thx!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it, Kevin.
My neck pain and much of my depressed thoughts disappeared when I cut the sugar and most grains out of my diet. I didn't even realize how much neck/back pain I had till it was gone. -INFJ 5w4
My goodness, their eyes!
I appreciated your content so much. It is life changing. I wanted to give you all my money just to support this channel, and I’m not kidding.
Wow, thank you! 🙂 What an amazing compliment, @Teng Yoong!! I'm happy you enjoy the content :)
Infj 3&5 seem very assertive in comparison to the rest. No worry in their voice.
I adore the practical use of the enneagram, and it’s exposure of the ego rather than the stroking of the ego. Only thing it ever lacks or simply doesn’t supply, likely because humanity is complex, is clear compatible options. As a 5w4, we seek a perfect and ideal love, very similarly to 4w5.
Lizzie - nice to see and hear a fellow 9w1
Matt gives me heavy Wentworth Miller vibes lol, and he's an INFJ with a similar enneatype
So true man! I was last night on a 1+ hour rollll of interviews with Wentworth, he is such a lovely human being. Humble, caring, intelligent.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson WHAT? I was literally the same thing recently 😂
@@nkopanelesedilebona9227 Hhahaha quantum-physics man, a huge interconnected interplay of all that is, beyond space and time :3
That's really cool!
Sometimes, some friends and I have just "searched for", watched or realized the very same "thing", the next time we talk to each other. These kinds of things are happening so often the last years, super cool synchronicities in general too.
Bless! :D
Joyce, I love how well you laid out your do and don't relate points for Enneagram type 6! You have such good Te! If I may say so. It was so clear and easy to understand and follow. And the considerations and uncertainties you touched on seemed like they were prepared exactly for what I was going to wonder about.
Thank you, Josiah!! I tried to be as clear as possible when explaining the enneagram type 6. :) Good to know you liked the delivery.
I love the panel style forum and enjoyed panelists. I have to do more research myself. I would start expressing all that I took from each of you but If I start, i’d be here for an hr or 2, so its best if I say, collectively, not only do I relate but its fascinating to learn and hear your own experiences, struggles and strengths. Ive tapped into a little of what Jessie talked about: “putting it out into the world.” Im building endurance and consistency doing that, as we all should. I’ve had a lot held within, its time to start putting out. I know I have a lot too offer. Thanks yall! INFJ 🙋🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
I totally wanna be in one of these livestreams too. This talk is amusing and therapeutic at the same time😊.
lol, The neck thing. So I don't know much about enneagram but I'm pretty sure I have 1 somewhere in there.
I had to go to a chiropractor after a car accident where I ended up with a bulging disc in my neck (I tensed up my neck when I saw the car coming, go figure)- I was told I have A LOT if tension in my neck and shoulders. They had to basically loosen the area out for weeks before the chiropractor could adjust my neck.
The adjustments helped with the anxiety before I wasn't able to get them anymore. No kidding.
I've had to see chiropractors my whole life, so I relate @Eden. Thank you for sharing!!
23.55 Gooooood yes! I am not "alone" in this haha! Feels like an Ni-Ti thing, mainly Ni-laser focus or whatever, just want to "do its own thing" and not enter the externalized realm of experience socially.
I've probably guilt tripped myself some 1000's of times for even getting this "feeling"/negative stuff coming up when this happens, throughout my life!
It is like I "cannot do both at the same time".
32.27.. Mmmmmmmhmmmm!
1:19:17-ish. Totally relate to that Joyce. Don't know how many times I even stated that out loud or have written about it and so on. Most "adults" are reaaaaally not "adults", just robotic and half(sometimes just about fully ) dead before they turn 30-40 years of age.
Is it just me or is the head nodding synchronized?
I enjoyed the different enneagram, that was wonderful to demonstrate
Interesting. It's neat to see all the types of INFJs. My dad who is an ENFP questioned why I always stay up and I told him ever since I was little this was how I am. It is when I do most of my thinking, studying, or relaxing. I sleep very little and am always tired, but when I am awake my thoughts are instantly just bubbling. I typed as 1w2 right now and that makes sense because I feel like my job emphasizes this.
Emily, if you happen to read this comment, I have adhd, a chronic infection of enneagram 4ness and a severe case of Infjism. I’m not a 7, but I am extremely curious and am super distractible and novelty seeking among my already preferred subjects of interest. I get bored and need to ramp up the stimulation, whether physical, mental, emotional etc... I think I’m fairly energetically extroverted for an INFJ, but I’m emotionally guarded and for lack of a better term - a “hater.” I don’t want to socialize (people: I can take em’ or leave em’) so instead that energy goes into my MANY hobbies and areas of study. Like Anna mentioned, I find the mental clutter and flight of ideas to be overwhelming. I’m constantly torn because I want to go so strongly in so many different directions (at least creatively speaking). On the other hand making a list takes a lot of effort... so I’ve just gotten better at putting out fires as they arise and enduring the extreme discomfort of flying from the seat of my pants. So anyways, I just wanted to say, it’s possible to be a less conscientious more novelty-seeking Infj with 50 bizillion tabs open on your computer.For me - it all starts from one question- one Wikipedia article, and then I begin to realize just how much I need to know in order to understand the first question I asked, hence the multiple tabs. (In a weird way I just realized that that’s sort of it’s own form of pseudo-conscientiousness).This was a nice discussion. I had been hoping Joyce would make a video like this. Thanks to all who participated... and read this far down a UA-cam comment.
If such things you describe seem to all go againt what Ni stand for (everything leading to one thing rather than an expasion of one thing into multiple others) , then what makes you think you're an INFJ in the first place? Would that not need a lot of complex reasoning (mental acrobatics) in order to make the Ni dom idea seem the most reasonable choice as ones type?
@@PowerRedBullTypology You’re absolutely right. I now understand that my own self assessment of 30+ years is wrong. You’ve cured me of my imbecilic notion that individuals have complexity. . Thank you PRB! What would the typology do without your extreme superiority?
@@Justinehumanity Well, obviously it would instantly fall apart without my extreme superiority...
@@PowerRedBullTypology Every village needs its very own smug village troll. Congratulations! You’ve won your very own label (which I assume you will tuck away with all the other labels you’ve carefully collected and curated). You have to split the award with Demon Windu though. It was a tie. You guys can celebrate your victory with the traditional label party. You can dump all those labels out on the bed and then you can roll around in them like they’re money... managing the certain uncertainty with a voracious label lust. Who knows what might follow... when trolls rolls together. This is exciting stuff.
@@Justinehumanity Is it ok if we stop the namecalling and sarcastic remarks and return to the original question itself, that you did not really answer so far? I'm actually interested to hear what your reasons are, as odd as that may sound to you ;)
What you describe all seem to be "expansive" things, which are fundamentally the opposite of Ni is perceived to be about. Ni is typically about the redution of things rather than expansion. How do you get from all these expansive examples you describe towards the conclusion that the common thing about them is that they're about reduction?
Examples:
- torn becasue want you want to go in different directions (expansion)
- 50 bizillion tabs open, start with 1 wiki question (expansion rather than reduction)
- MANY hobbies and areas of study (expansion rather than reduction)
- super distractable (expansion from one activity to others )
However, maybe you do not prefer to actually adress my question but would rather continue with giving me more labels? I mean, we can do that too if you like. I'm a flexible guy you know ;)
The neck pain is a big one! I feel like it was from my tense nature and inability to fckn RELAX. I’ve gotten a little better with it over the past year or so.
👽 INFJ 5 (not sure of how to find the wing)
My wife is a massage therapist who says that everyone has neck and shoulder pain. :-)
I understand every word infj 4w5.Glad there is info to understand ourselves and others. Nice video👍
Interesting video! I would like to see one like this of INFPs too. With different enneagrams
All 9 enneagram types of ENFPs is coming up next! When I get a diverse enneagram pool of INFPs, i'll do them as well :)
@@JoyceMeng22 yay, I'm excited for both :) thank you
This is awesome!
Glad you think so, Veronica!
Do you type people before having them on your panels? Just wondering how you select panelists.
Thank you for explaining your numbers for me, i felt i had something in common with most of you. Being 5/4 it isn't to weird , but it's still normal to be rather complicated, thank you for explaining this to me, a new normal for me!
Perhaps being a people oriented as a woman and also an infj is also why most of you felt so very familiar most of you
Type four: pulls out his notes and glasses
This is me 🤣🤣
Where can i make a serious enneagram test?
1.Why does Anna seen more flow-y than Joyce? In fact, both Joyce and Tori seems to have similar speech patterns. Is it enneagram related? Or is it tied to self image? Or it it absence / presence of Non-Dual Experiences? Or Ti is more in the foreground? Or is it Openness to experience from the big-5 test?
2. There is some kind of heaviness to Karin's speech pattern ( perhaps she carries weight for many things/people and that's in the background?). On the otherhand, Emily's background is lightness. She is less liable for other people's happiness? Wild Guesses.
3. Joyce is interested in the depth and darkness of humanity while simultaneously being afraid of it. A complex relationship to her work?
All in all great content. Thanks to Joyce. I hope she reaches her 1200 hrs goal.
Hi @Rainy Day commenter! Tori and I grew up in Asian households, which impacts our vocal tone. Some subsections of Asian culture discourage emotional expression, and it can go down to speech pattern. So as feelers, we can seem a little more subdued. 🙂 Also thank you!!! Happy you liked it.
@@JoyceMeng22 Thank you. Hmmmm.....There might be more to it than just asian household though. Ikram in ESFP roundtable seems more flowy than Mary Anna. It's not good or bad. Just an observation. Maybe it has something to do with relationship to self. How comfortable are you/me slipping on a banana peel in front of everyone? (perhaps it would be fun question to ask in some future panels!)
best of luck Joyce.
What an observation but missed the flirting session of Keelan towards Lizzie.. it’s so interesting how we do that... we notice even the most subtle things.. 🤪
I loved this rewarding session. Joyces questions are always on point.
So glad!
I love the introverts series, can relate a lot. I also don't want to be part of trends.
My dude got the sparkliest eyes
What a great song at the end Lizzie!
Can you please do this with INTJ or INTP? (Finding a enneagram 2 maybe hard tho)
6 INFJ here. Such lovely people each and every one of the panel. Thanks for contibuting.
Infp type 4w5 IEI 459. ....now that I'm done with that.
I loved this !!! I just love the softness and humble character of the infj 2 and 9.
My daughter is an infp 9w1 and she is just the most harmonious little doll, I had to help her gain confidence and boundaries and through that she has just blossomed! A humble leader.
My other daughter is an enfp ...I think type 6w7. So compassionate and loving and ingenious but big time homebody and sometimes.obstinate.
I am so happy to see more practioners combining the two typing systems.
You can definitely feel the edge of type 1 and 3.. .
how is INFJ 8 possible though 🤔
its not
being an INFJ 6w5, organising and hosting an event is nothing but a nightmare to me :(
It was nice to see Tori H here. I am also 5w4 (tritype 594).
I find that the 4 means that I don't always relate to the concept that because of Fe INFJs don't know what they are feeling. The 5 still means that I like some distance from my feelings though. Approaching things analytically is more comfortable for me, but the Fe will come out for others (& I utilize the 9). Wallowing or luxuriating in feeling isn't quite the word I'm looking for, but I'm not that into doing it. I definitely need the filter.
Needs though- Yes. The 9/Fe does come out there where it can take me a bit to figure mine out.
For Emily, who is a 7 with 6, I wish I could ask -- she is an INFJ but her enneagram 7 sounds a lot like an ENFP or other E__ P. How does she identify as an INFJ over another MBTI type?
Hi there! I agree that the 7w6 description sounds a lot like ExFP types, that was my first thought when I read it lol. Essentially I was able to figure out my MBTI type based on the cognitive functions alone - it has always been pretty obvious my whole life that I'm an introvert, and it's clear that my feeling process is Fe and not Fi, which would rule out any of the FP types. I do recognize that I have a need for stimulation, but it is different from ExFP types in that my need for stimulation is based on fear of sitting with my negative thoughts, whereas an ExxP type wants the stimulation to fuel their dominant Ne or Se. My parents are ENTP and ESFP and there is a pretty stark difference between their ability to process a lot of stimulation and mine! They have much more energy than I do, they multitask better, and they shift seamlessly from one activity to the next. I enjoy excitement, but I function much more effectively when I have the space and time to focus without interruption.
@@emilydawn275 Hi Emily, you are officially my spirit animal!
And what you wrote back here in the comments makes so much sense!
@@emilydawn275 Thanks Emily, that is a good way to see the difference between EN-P and INFJ who is also a 7. I am just curious b/c I am ENFP, but I relate a lot to what people are saying here about INFJs, especially your need for stimulation. I can multi task and need a lot of stimulation, yet as a 6 with wing 7, I am not nearly as comfortable with shifting from activity to activity as ES_Ps in particular. (My need might arise with overdoing UA-cam videos and articles, trying to work out the different MBTI patterns.) My brother is an ESTP and a 7, and he is sooo comfortable in the world, moving from activity to activity, very easy with people, doesn't seem to need much time alone, etc. Even as a social subtype, I am naturally very cautious in social dealings and prefer to know what to expect when I am getting together with others, etc. While I can handle the overstimulation of say, an amusement park, my reason for being there is because friends want to be there. I would much prefer a calmer get together of lunch and conversation, or game night with another couple, or (if more active) going with my family or a friend to a tourist town and going through the shops, etc. Similar to introverts, I am also happy staying home reading and puttering around the house, and after an afternoon of external world stimulation, I really need to escape to my office or decompress in some way. I think this is due to being an intuitive rather than a sensor. Where I am extraverted is that it's hard for me to say 'no' and miss out. I worry I am missing something :(
Its because of the core desire for the type 7, to be fulfilled and happy, it looks different bc of her mbti type tho.
I can so much relate that the face " turns on", I'm still struggling to Accenture my Fe as an authentic part of me. Now I can fully! understand why its more difficult to be me around people! I also can relate a lot to Tory, when she talks about that Fe is sometimes "annoying" !!!!
I really enjoyed this. I’m still very new to my understanding of the enneagram. In the past I typed as an INFP 4w5 and I think that was because I answered questions based on how I perceive myself or how I wanted to be in the future. Most recently I really looked into the cognitive functions and realized I relate much much more to being an INFJ. So that made me concerned that my enneagram was also incorrect. I retested as a type 5 with equal wings lol but type 9 was second highest and I relate to 9s more. My tritype (which I never even knew existed 😳 there’s so much to learn) is 639.
Anyways I really resonated with Lizzy saying 9s are a cloud. So I feel like I’m definitely a 9.
It's annoying when people in typology often say that "not all enneagram + mbti combo" is possible but Joyce you shut them up!
Love ya and your channel!
+ I subscribe!
I've noticed many INFJs (as well as INTJs) report feeling alien towards to the rest of the species. I've read this may be attributed to inferior Se. I've also read this may be attributed to being a rarer personality type. What info do you have on this? (Outside of MBTI, this feeling is reported among individuals with ASD)
I relate in having to have my own space to consume material and also to interact with my environment. I like to get away on the metro to do this. (9w1)
Yeah, my experience with enneagram 1s & 3s has been with TJs.
Im a 5w6 (but could be a tritype not sure though)and a lot like tori i got mistyped as an intj and intp a lot of times.I a lot of times appear cold and (no im not proud of it)this rly is something that kind of makes me look like an intj along with detachment.but i feel really guilty when i do act cold.i think that guilt is something that seperates type 5 infjs and intjs.does any other infj type 5 relate?(sorry if this was too long😅)
As a Fellow 4w5, I feel for Matt. I also need to withdraw in order to resolve a problem, also the outfit thing is real for me as well. I mainly dress for comfort but other ppl think I dress like a "slob." Thing is what defines a "slob"? Everyone's views are different. Talking about different views, I also had many situations where people tried to change my beliefs and it doesn't work but I'll say in cryptic things like "oh I see how you believe that." Or "that's interesting." Etc. Also the sitting down and analyzing my feelings is too true as well. I'll analyze my emotions down to philosophical numbers. 😂.
thamkyouuu this video helped me alot
This was fascinating
being a 947 INFJ, its so weird seeing the different parts of my self in living form lol
As long as they are controlling me in the way I was going anyway but as soon as they want me to go where I don't I do the "Greyhound freeze" and they are shocked how stubborn I can be and I will not change my mind to go where they want me to
I found this forum very interesting. I am perceived to be a 9 most of the time. I can relate to everyone's types at some time in my past. I am very turbulent. When I teach a class for example I can take control but I am so sensitive to others needs. I shift gears very quickly depending on circumstances. Thank you all for organizing this video.
Interesting! Wonderful to hear your Enneagram explorations.
Karin, that is such a Swedish name! :D Let's see what shows up in the video!
@TheAwakenedINFJ yes! I am not Swedish, but I like having a name with those roots. 🙂
@@borninthe505 You are officially part-Viking now! :D
As an ENFJ 9w1 I related sooo much to Lizzie!
INFJ-A 8w7 here! lol
I’m a 4w3 and related to Jessie and Matt the most actually lol. I doubted I’m an infj bc I enjoy fashion and standing out in that way, so it was cool to hear Matt say he’s the same as a 4. Also, it’s paradoxical bc I enjoy standing out in fashion but I also mimic others same as Jessie 😂
LMFAO INFJ can't be E8, he's mistyped, probably not even E7
When I saw what infjs could be, for me, as for infj, they seemed very strange, artificial, as if unable to understand that they looked strange, although I understand this and try to influence myself. Here only Lizzie seems real to me and so much like me, it's like INFJ². It seems to me that in any such situation, I would behave the same way, it just seems that although everyone is INFJs, they are too eager to discuss it, while I just want to know more about all this, to learn and appreciate it all for myself.
I write it with Google translate (It's doesn't matter, maybe)
Actually, I'm more similar, probably, to 1w9, but I don't know for sure, but 9 should definitely be, while 8 doesn't fits well, it seems to me.
There is no 1w9, unfortunately (In video, not comments)
It looks so self-confident, someone might think that I am not an INFJ (Although, why?), Someone might think that I am wrong about the types of enneagram, but I hope (very very very HOPE) that I am not mistaken ( It was not for nothing that I passed a bunch of tests, and in most cases I got INFJ, it was not for nothing that I passed a bunch of tests and in most cases I got types 1 and 9 of the enneagram (In fact, types 4 and 5 were often met, but I'm 100% sure that I'm not 5, and I don't look like 4 much (at least some of these people are strange ...)), it's not for nothing that I read the INFJ profile on Typeinmind.com (or what is there after the dot?) and understood that if everything converges, then 99% of everything that is written there (In fact, probably 93% converges (at first I wanted to write that 88%))). Nightmare...
So, you understood me. 🙃
Wonderful.
It's stupid, but cute, i thnk.
Stupid me.
Enough.
I have wanted to write something like this for a long time and thought that I would never write it because I needed some special conditions ... But I did. And I'm a man 🤦♂️ (But it's still cute).
ENOUGH.
I am also an infj 9w1 sexual. So cool to see someone who is simliar to me !
There is no 4w3 😫😭