Thanks for doing the vid. I thought I had made the decision to go with the Osprey Talon 22 over the Stratos 24...until I saw your vid. Oooh...it’s a Pro. Must be better. Must have. Lol. Well...in Canada...only found 1 (or maybe 2) place that carried it but was in a different province. No matter...came quickly. I’m 5’ 11 and the L/XL seems to be fitting well. I’ve only taken it on a hikes so I haven’t really put it through the paces but here’s some notable points from me: 1) They advertise the Stow-On-The-Go feature for quick stowaway of hiking poles on their tags and website. It does not. I thought I was missing something but Osprey contact confirmed it was a typo. Honestly, I thought I’d be fastening to the back of the back versus the Stow-On-The Go feature but the fact it was included in the specs and is actually not on the product is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. 2) The top outer pocket can hold glasses and wallet or other small items but it shares the same capacity as the inner pocket. Once space is occupied in either inner or outer...your left with little to no capacity for the other pocket. Thought that was strange. 3) The mesh pockets on the shoulder straps...I still haven’t found a use for it. It’s been suggested gels can be put in there but I’m not a runner. I’m barely a walker. ;) I’ve tried small flashlights and multi tools with no luck. Either too small for the flashlight or large multi tool or too large and not as secure as I’d like for a smaller Swiss army. 4) In case it wasn’t clear...this Talon Pro is a 20 litre. Talon 22 is a 22 litre. As a daypack I didn’t want to carry too much so the difference is not huge for me. 5) Although I didn’t encounter excessive sweating on the back with this Talon 20 Pro...I suspect the Stratos 24 does provide more breathability if that’s what your looking for. I just didn’t want to gamble on the squeaking that some reviewers had noted on the Stratos 24. What really sold me on the Talon 22 and this Talon 20 Pro was the versatility. Love the bike helmet attachment and the rear light slot at the bottom portion of the mesh panel at the back. I have way too many black backpacks/bags. Always in the search of that be all and all pack. Tom Binh...I’m still looking at you. ;) I prefer the colour scheme of the Talon Pro versus the older Talon 22 options out there. If newer Talon 22 subdued colour scheme was available in my area...I might have strongly considered the Talon 22 Updated Version over the Talon 20 Pro. The cost difference between the Talon Pro 20 and the Talon 22 Older Model (that’s highly regarded) was roughly $100. For similar specs...if not less than the Talon 22...hard to say the Talon Pro 20 is good value. With Pro clearly indicated on the rear panel of the bag...can’t help feel like an uneducated douche when I strap on the bag. Hoping my feelings will change after further use.
That are some great additional insights Francis! I do hope the Pro works out for you in the end - and don’t worry about the “appearing like a douche” thing - people that think that way are often themselves douches 😆 Happy trails!
I hope it works out too @@HendrikMorkel . The persons opinion I care about the most is my own. But thank you. Hope I’ve provided some decent insight to those on the fence. You got the ball rolling with the awesome vid. Just trying to pay it forward. Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Unedjumacated Douche
I got the pro as well and it was a bit more money. I think the only real benefit over the Talon 22 according to Osprey is the material is nicer right? Your negatives here cover the Talon 22 as well. Anyway, I do like the feel of the material on the pro, so it seemed like a good splurge for me. I like it a ton. Don't know if it is possible to get a much better day hiking pack! Lot's to enjoy and see you on the trail in Japan!
You’re right Ben. Osprey does state the Pro “offers upgraded durability and weight savings with Osprey’s NanoFly® fabric and subtle design enhancement to optimize stability making it perfect for adventurous full-day pursuits requiring technical gear or light-and-fast missions.” Japan hikes...nice! Enjoy!
Thanks for the review. You mention at the end of the video that there are some lighter alternatives for a fraction of that price. Could you please recommend some of them? Thanks
When I first bought a pack with similar lightweight material (Gossamer Gear Vagabond), I though no way is this going to hold up, especially on the bottom where the bag sits on rocks and gravel etc. 5 years later and its like new. Thanks for the review, I will buy this backpack for the one thing you didn't mention, the waist straps. I find when I carry 2l of water, enough food and kit for long days, I would benefit from sharing the load on my hips. Good overview!
I’ve been waiting for a review of this pack, thank you for doing such a thorough review! Definitely helped me make my decision. What are your thoughts on this pack versus the updated Talon 22?
Great Review, I just have a few questions. What Feature Differences are there between the talon 20 pro and the non pro talon? Is the biggest difference just the material and the extra loops for an Ice axe or is there anything else such as an extra pocket?
@stigee11 product documentation from osprey show two sizes of the "20 L" the small technically has 20 L of capacity and the med/large has capacity of 22 L in addition to it being physically larger
I have the Talon 22, in use for at least 4 years now and I don’t see what the real benefit is of the Talon Pro. I mean in a practical sense, not on paper specs.
Id like to see more gear made with the "N400r-AC2 ripstop" material. Its made by Arcteryx, and used in their "Alpha FL" backpacks, which are very lightweight and durable. I got the 45L version (really 32L that can be expanded to 45), and like it so much i will probably buy the 30L version too one day.
Thanks for the review. Did you have a chance to test the Talon 30 pro ? I'm hesitating between the talon 30 pro and the talon 36 ... which one would you recommend ?
Thanks for the review! A backpack that I'm not familiar with, but defiantly am curious about. I have a long comment/question for anyone reading.... Does anyone have a good recommendation for newly retired folks in their 60s? A good day hike pack for longer trips. My plan is to get a pack for them for their anniversary/retirement since this is a big year for them! They taught me everything I know about the outdoors and backcountry preparedness, it'd be fun to thank them with a great pack. Defiantly looking at Osprey, but if you know another brand that has a good one, please mention it! My parents are in their 60s, and love getting out on long day hikes. However, my mom has hip issues and wouldn't be able to carry as much weight as she would probably try and force herself to! I'd like to keep my dad's needs in mind for comfortable carry, and the fact that he'd wind up carrying the needs of two people on about a 10 mile trek (food, water, layers, camera etc) . My father is a picky man about his backpacks (climbed with Jim Wickwier and field tested one of the first internal frame backpacks on the market back in the 1980s). He also has an old knee injury from climbing that flairs up now and then. However, those facts about his experience aside, some of the new technology isn't what he's up to date with and I'd like recommendations to narrow down my search...also he loves learning about this stuff! Anyway, it's a long comment, but I feel like this is a good platform to reach out to a crowd and see if you have experience hiking with individuals who want to get to the end of the trail ,but also want to manage any aches and pains. Or if that happens to be your own personal case, what have you found that you like in a backpack? Trekking pole attachments would be a great feature! Thanks guys, Thank you Mr. Morkel, and happy hiking!!
I would consider an ultralight backpack. I use my Hyperlite 2400 Southwest not only for thru hikes, but when I go on big day hikes, when I am carrying extra food, layers and water.
Nice pack. I already have the Talon 22 & love it, so i won’t be getting the 20L. Too similar. And I really don’t know why they call it the Talon “Pro”. Seems kinda silly. I guess they saw that it worked for Apple & their iPhones. But there is NO difference between the Talon 22 & the Talon 20 Pro... except that the Talon 22 has 2 more liters & costs LESS! 🤷♂️ 😂
The pro model is made with different materials that are more durable and lighter weight. The main difference is how the pack rides on your back though. The pro model has a closer more connected feel when strapped up, allowing for more active missions with heavier loads. Such as when biking, so your pack moves with you directly, rather than bouncing around and throwing your center of balance off. This is because of the differences in the backplate between the pro and non pro model. The pro model is much stiffer allowing it to transfer weight more efficiently. This improved plate is what causes the weight of the pack to be as heavy as the non pro model, even though the fabric is lighter weight.
I do not find the back comfortable at all. Its stiff and it hurts. The foam padding is relatively thin and firm. I compared it to the Gregory Miwok, and its a big difference in comfort. I could barely wear the Osprey one for more than 5min without discomfort.
@@HendrikMorkel No. The sizing is perfect, its just that the back is not comfortable. Its hard where the back arches, its too much. And the shoulder strap pads arent very thick either, compared to other bags. I work in a camping store so I get to try everything on and see new stuff. I got the Miwok instead.
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Thanks for doing the vid. I thought I had made the decision to go with the Osprey Talon 22 over the Stratos 24...until I saw your vid. Oooh...it’s a Pro. Must be better. Must have. Lol. Well...in Canada...only found 1 (or maybe 2) place that carried it but was in a different province. No matter...came quickly. I’m 5’ 11 and the L/XL seems to be fitting well. I’ve only taken it on a hikes so I haven’t really put it through the paces but here’s some notable points from me:
1) They advertise the Stow-On-The-Go feature for quick stowaway of hiking poles on their tags and website. It does not. I thought I was missing something but Osprey contact confirmed it was a typo. Honestly, I thought I’d be fastening to the back of the back versus the Stow-On-The Go feature but the fact it was included in the specs and is actually not on the product is leaving a sour taste in my mouth.
2) The top outer pocket can hold glasses and wallet or other small items but it shares the same capacity as the inner pocket. Once space is occupied in either inner or outer...your left with little to no capacity for the other pocket. Thought that was strange.
3) The mesh pockets on the shoulder straps...I still haven’t found a use for it. It’s been suggested gels can be put in there but I’m not a runner. I’m barely a walker. ;) I’ve tried small flashlights and multi tools with no luck. Either too small for the flashlight or large multi tool or too large and not as secure as I’d like for a smaller Swiss army.
4) In case it wasn’t clear...this Talon Pro is a 20 litre. Talon 22 is a 22 litre. As a daypack I didn’t want to carry too much so the difference is not huge for me.
5) Although I didn’t encounter excessive sweating on the back with this Talon 20 Pro...I suspect the Stratos 24 does provide more breathability if that’s what your looking for. I just didn’t want to gamble on the squeaking that some reviewers had noted on the Stratos 24.
What really sold me on the Talon 22 and this Talon 20 Pro was the versatility. Love the bike helmet attachment and the rear light slot at the bottom portion of the mesh panel at the back.
I have way too many black backpacks/bags. Always in the search of that be all and all pack. Tom Binh...I’m still looking at you. ;) I prefer the colour scheme of the Talon Pro versus the older Talon 22 options out there. If newer Talon 22 subdued colour scheme was available in my area...I might have strongly considered the Talon 22 Updated Version over the Talon 20 Pro.
The cost difference between the Talon Pro 20 and the Talon 22 Older Model (that’s highly regarded) was roughly $100. For similar specs...if not less than the Talon 22...hard to say the Talon Pro 20 is good value. With Pro clearly indicated on the rear panel of the bag...can’t help feel like an uneducated douche when I strap on the bag. Hoping my feelings will change after further use.
That are some great additional insights Francis! I do hope the Pro works out for you in the end - and don’t worry about the “appearing like a douche” thing - people that think that way are often themselves douches 😆 Happy trails!
I hope it works out too @@HendrikMorkel . The persons opinion I care about the most is my own. But thank you.
Hope I’ve provided some decent insight to those on the fence. You got the ball rolling with the awesome vid. Just trying to pay it forward. Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
Unedjumacated Douche
I got the pro as well and it was a bit more money. I think the only real benefit over the Talon 22 according to Osprey is the material is nicer right? Your negatives here cover the Talon 22 as well. Anyway, I do like the feel of the material on the pro, so it seemed like a good splurge for me.
I like it a ton. Don't know if it is possible to get a much better day hiking pack! Lot's to enjoy and see you on the trail in Japan!
You’re right Ben. Osprey does state the Pro “offers upgraded durability and weight savings with Osprey’s NanoFly® fabric and subtle design enhancement to optimize stability making it perfect for adventurous full-day pursuits requiring technical gear or light-and-fast missions.” Japan hikes...nice! Enjoy!
Thanks for the review! The weight does come into play for me, and I’m glad you brought it up!
Thanks for the review. You mention at the end of the video that there are some lighter alternatives for a fraction of that price. Could you please recommend some of them?
Thanks
very detailed introduction and objective opinion. thank you!
When I first bought a pack with similar lightweight material (Gossamer Gear Vagabond), I though no way is this going to hold up, especially on the bottom where the bag sits on rocks and gravel etc. 5 years later and its like new. Thanks for the review, I will buy this backpack for the one thing you didn't mention, the waist straps. I find when I carry 2l of water, enough food and kit for long days, I would benefit from sharing the load on my hips. Good overview!
I’ve been waiting for a review of this pack, thank you for doing such a thorough review! Definitely helped me make my decision. What are your thoughts on this pack versus the updated Talon 22?
excellent review
Great video. What would you suggest as an alternative to this bag for a hiking pack that’s just as durable with maybe a little less features?
I have been using a HUCKEPACKS Phoenix on all my trips these past years, and it’s excellent.
Thanks! Very good review!
Thank you Borgia!
Great review! Very detailed and honest, I was wondering if you have any plans to review the new talon 33 at any point?
Thank you! I probably should review the Talon 33 at some point :)
Would be really interested to hear your thoughts on it :)
Anyone know what size bladder fits in this?
Great Review, I just have a few questions. What Feature Differences are there between the talon 20 pro and the non pro talon? Is the biggest difference just the material and the extra loops for an Ice axe or is there anything else such as an extra pocket?
@Allan it’s also the material used so it is quite different
Was this the large or the small version of the talon pro 20?
20 L is the size, which is the smaller of the talon pros
@stigee11 product documentation from osprey show two sizes of the "20 L" the small technically has 20 L of capacity and the med/large has capacity of 22 L in addition to it being physically larger
@stigee11 doesn't matter anymore. I bought both sizes of the "20L" . Returned the small and kept the med/large
@80808O Oh, sounds like you were looking at the woman's version which is the tempest pro 20L. Good call
I have the Talon 22, in use for at least 4 years now and I don’t see what the real benefit is of the Talon Pro. I mean in a practical sense, not on paper specs.
Only an amateur would say such a thing.
@@WtfUA-cam_YouSuck Can you explain that, please?
when you become a "pro", you will understand why it costs $30 more
@@WtfUA-cam_YouSuck Ok. So no explanation, no arguments, just blabla. Just what I thought.
@@sashinger5230 yes, sir. I am a troll.
Id like to see more gear made with the "N400r-AC2 ripstop" material. Its made by Arcteryx, and used in their "Alpha FL" backpacks, which are very lightweight and durable. I got the 45L version (really 32L that can be expanded to 45), and like it so much i will probably buy the 30L version too one day.
Thanks for the review. Did you have a chance to test the Talon 30 pro ? I'm hesitating between the talon 30 pro and the talon 36 ... which one would you recommend ?
I have the new Talon 33 here and would pick it over the Pro. It’s cheaper, has a almost similar feature set and is just as good.
No stow on the go for walking poles ?
No Stow-On-The-Go on this pack.
@@HendrikMorkel shame that would of sealed the deal for me.
Hola amigo podrias hacer uno de la talon 22 porfavor gracias
Hola Elias, I’ll do one about the Talon later on, I also have one of the Updated Packs here!
@@HendrikMorkel talon 22 o tambien escapist 32 o stratos 24 cual seria la mejor para hacer un viaje en bicicleta de 3 dias . Gracias
Thanks for the review! A backpack that I'm not familiar with, but defiantly am curious about.
I have a long comment/question for anyone reading.... Does anyone have a good recommendation for newly retired folks in their 60s? A good day hike pack for longer trips. My plan is to get a pack for them for their anniversary/retirement since this is a big year for them! They taught me everything I know about the outdoors and backcountry preparedness, it'd be fun to thank them with a great pack. Defiantly looking at Osprey, but if you know another brand that has a good one, please mention it! My parents are in their 60s, and love getting out on long day hikes. However, my mom has hip issues and wouldn't be able to carry as much weight as she would probably try and force herself to! I'd like to keep my dad's needs in mind for comfortable carry, and the fact that he'd wind up carrying the needs of two people on about a 10 mile trek (food, water, layers, camera etc) . My father is a picky man about his backpacks (climbed with Jim Wickwier and field tested one of the first internal frame backpacks on the market back in the 1980s). He also has an old knee injury from climbing that flairs up now and then. However, those facts about his experience aside, some of the new technology isn't what he's up to date with and I'd like recommendations to narrow down my search...also he loves learning about this stuff! Anyway, it's a long comment, but I feel like this is a good platform to reach out to a crowd and see if you have experience hiking with individuals who want to get to the end of the trail ,but also want to manage any aches and pains. Or if that happens to be your own personal case, what have you found that you like in a backpack? Trekking pole attachments would be a great feature! Thanks guys, Thank you Mr. Morkel, and happy hiking!!
I would consider an ultralight backpack. I use my Hyperlite 2400 Southwest not only for thru hikes, but when I go on big day hikes, when I am carrying extra food, layers and water.
That does help me out thank you!
Nice pack. I already have the Talon 22 & love it, so i won’t be getting the 20L. Too similar. And I really don’t know why they call it the Talon “Pro”. Seems kinda silly. I guess they saw that it worked for Apple & their iPhones. But there is NO difference between the Talon 22 & the Talon 20 Pro... except that the Talon 22 has 2 more liters & costs LESS! 🤷♂️ 😂
The pro model is made with different materials that are more durable and lighter weight. The main difference is how the pack rides on your back though. The pro model has a closer more connected feel when strapped up, allowing for more active missions with heavier loads. Such as when biking, so your pack moves with you directly, rather than bouncing around and throwing your center of balance off. This is because of the differences in the backplate between the pro and non pro model. The pro model is much stiffer allowing it to transfer weight more efficiently. This improved plate is what causes the weight of the pack to be as heavy as the non pro model, even though the fabric is lighter weight.
No hydration bladder?... for 180$ USD that's a fail.
You can buy it extra ;)
lmfao....guess what "tiger" shit ain't free. be thankful you live somewhere where you can be a discerning prick.
They suck and taste like plastic anyhow keep the bladder out of the pack and Carry bottle water like a grown man 😅
Besides if your a pro that shouldn't be a problem 😉
I do not find the back comfortable at all. Its stiff and it hurts. The foam padding is relatively thin and firm.
I compared it to the Gregory Miwok, and its a big difference in comfort. I could barely wear the Osprey one for more than 5min without discomfort.
Maybe you had the wrong size?
@@HendrikMorkel No. The sizing is perfect, its just that the back is not comfortable. Its hard where the back arches, its too much.
And the shoulder strap pads arent very thick either, compared to other bags. I work in a camping store so I get to try everything on and see new stuff. I got the Miwok instead.
Not so stretchy = more durable.
The “pink” and grey colour won’t suit most men’s choices.
Please ask Osprey to send me their new Talon 44 SM. I will happily review it. Thank You! I had 4 Osprey packs so far~
This video better played at 1.25 speed
Agree i feel he speak toooo slow
Shame about the girly looking magenta on the bag.
Too slow... I fell asleep
Good night.
Anyone know what size bladder fits in this?