Great video again, thank you. However, just a slightly alternative point about pedagogy that I'd like to raise: a number of lines of evidence have increasingly honed in on the Philippines as the primary dispersal point of Austronesian speakers. " Out-of-Taiwan", while of course the best explanation for the homeland of the Formosan-speaking Austronesians, is a somewhat misleading or inaccurate way to characterize the Malayo-Polynesian dispersal. Here's a snippet of one recent archaeogenetic study I remember which demonstrates this perspective: "The ancestors of Cordillerans diverged from indigenous peoples of Taiwan at least 8,000 y ago... where some of their descendants remain to be the least admixed East Asian groups carrying an ancestry shared by all Austronesian-speaking populations. These observations contradict an exclusive 'out-of--Taiwan' model of farming-language-people dispersal within the last four millennia for the Philippines and Island Southeast Asia." - Larena et al. (2021) [Multiple migrations to the Philippines during the last 50,000 years]. This extends even further the previous estimation of an around 700 y pause Proto-Malayo-Polynesian speakers spent in the Philippines while they developed the Malayo-Polynesian branch of languages, as well as more complex material culture associated with boat-making (Dizon, 2019), afterwards settling everywhere else in relatively rapid succession. Also, the numerous Formosan Austronesian groups display remarkable genetic, cultural, and linguistic diversity, with the majority of them being only distantly related in these ways to the Malayo-Polynesian groups. There are in fact deeper splits between Formosan languages, which are only spoken in Taiwan, than there are between even the most distant Malayo-Polynesian languages, which as we know constitute all Austronesian languages outside Taiwan. This is a nuance that is almost always neglected, but is gradually influencing the latest scholarly analyses of the expansion of Malayo-Polynesian speakers and Lapita. Dr. Patrick Wyman on his podcast "Tides of History" goes more in-depth about why it's technically much more accurate to frame the Philippines as something like the 'Malayo-Polynesian dispersal point', rather than Taiwan as the starting point of the seafarers we speak of in most of these discussions (ep: The Austronesian Expansion Part 2). Anyway, I'm so glad you're spreading the recent research of Austronesian peoples on the same channel in which you discuss neocolonialism. I hope each video stokes a greater public sentiment for the crucial study and preservation of all indigenous Austronesian heritages.
Are there any upcoming or recently published papers which focus on the malayo-Polynesian expansion since the 2021 genetic study? Also what episode of the podcast was this?
Wow, you are sharing so many excellent videos lately!!! Your channel is one fire ❤🔥, meaning in a good way for internet performance. I like how you mentioned all of the published sources, and people can access online for all of the details and supporting documentation.
Dangkolo' si Yu'os ma'ase' for your kind words! I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the videos. It's really important to me to provide reliable information and make sure viewers can access all the details and supporting documentation. Your feedback means a lot and motivates me to keep sharing quality content. Thanks again for your support!
@@pulanspeaksplease do continue to speak, Pulan. Sen dankulo na si Yu’us ma’ase’ ginen guahu lokkue’. Guahu si Ana Villagomez ya malagu yu’ gumotti kanai-mu. I’d love to meet you in person and thank you. #revivemarianas #pueshafa
Great video. The genetic traces along the path taken by ancestors to settle the Marianas will yield interesting stories. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps in the future you could further explore the various genetic admixture events and the clues that drive current hypotheses regarding ancestry of Chamorro people. Comparing them to Palauan, Carolinian, Yapese and other Micronesians would be interesting. Please keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The genetic journey of the ancestors who settled the Marianas is indeed fascinating and full of intriguing stories. Currently, there are no ancient DNA studies of other peoples in Micronesia except for the CHamorus and Pohnpeians. However, once more studies are completed, I will definitely compare the genetic admixture events and ancestry of the CHamoru people with those of the Palauan, Carolinian, Yapese, and other Micronesian groups. Your suggestion is much appreciated, and I'll keep it in mind for future videos. Thanks again for your support and encouragement!
Hey, do be careful with older studies (like the 2013 one), as archeogenetic studies have the tendency to get outdated quite fast. Austronesia is an interesting region to study, but it does have it's limits: large amounts of samples are needed for a proper study (sample size is a problem in Oceania), but because of small populations, recently 'unrelated' people are harder to find and skeletons don't preserve particularly well in the tropics either. Most charts we see on Oceania are based on rather limited samples, so the percentages in the pie charts and tables might be off.
Dangkolo' si Yu'os ma'ase' sa hagu muna'matatnga yu', che'lu! Hunggan, mama'tinas yu' meggai na video sa hu gof guiaya iyo-ta taotao tano'! Biba CHamoru!
The C mutation is philippine derived. Not present in taiwanese populations but present in philippine populations. Thats why the map shows the branching off from luzon and not directly from taiwan
Thank you for your comment. It's interesting to look into the genetic details. The C mutation in the B4 haplogroup is actually unique to the Marianas and not found in any other populations, including those in the Philippines and Taiwan. This uniqueness highlights the distinct genetics of the CHamoru people. The map showing branching from Luzon, which I created, reflects a broader understanding of Austronesian expansion, but this specific mutation emphasizes the unique genetic heritage of the CHamorus in the Marianas. Thanks for engaging with the content!
@@pulanspeaks hi can i ask for the source? Usually and in previous year a 23and me result from guam would show philippines (not indonesia) as the genetic population marker was unique. Although im not sure if they can now separate the guam markers. Im trying to track the mutation markers so having the source or previoua atidy would be really helpful in my own research
@@YoudontneedtoknowboyNo one is saying that you are Filipinos. Just because your lineage came from Luzon doesnt make you Filipinos. Don't apply current identities to ancient people.
Great video as usual. Prehistoric Taiwan had plenty of megalith structures, as well as being one of the earliest rice cultivating cultures, even spreading rice related Austronesian vocabularies from Japan to the rest of SEA. If prehistorical jade ware made with jade from Eastern Taiwan, which were also found in the Philippines and Vietnam, is ever discovered in Guam, I guess that would be the icing on the cake.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The idea that the CHamorus ultimately came from Taiwan via Island Southeast Asia aligns well with the Out of Taiwan theory for Austronesian expansion. It's fascinating to see how these connections continue to unfold through research. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found the video helpful. It can indeed be challenging to explain CHamoru genetics and ancestry to relatives, but I'm happy to hear that this video can serve as a useful resource for you. Hopefully, it makes the conversation a bit easier. Thanks for watching and for your support!
The earliest individual carrying mitochondrial haplogroup E is the 8,300 year old Liangdao 1 sample found on the Mazu Island just off the coast of Fujian in Southeast China. The ultimate homeland of Proto-Austronesian or Austro-Tai was likely somewhere around Fujian or Guangdong in Southeast China.
The information presented in this video is based on the latest genetic research, including ancient DNA studies conducted by renowned experts in the field. These studies provide valuable insights and help us understand the history and ancestry of the CHamoru people more accurately.
This is very interesting. I lived on Saipan for ten years and enjoyed examining the latte sites and pottery shards around the island. Regarding ancestry, I think people are too concerned with where they come from. For me, ancestry means nothing at all and it's only one's actions during their lifetime that determine someone's worth.
@@marnieweaver3935 I basically agree. Ideally it would be only about history and curiosity, which is why I like this stuff. But people, and groups of people, take it to mean their ethnicity or race is something more special than those of other people. This perceived superiority causes strife, war, killing, destruction, etc., all over a delusion, and gives them a seeming excuse and right to do those things.
@@johnfraser8116 Well, that's the story of the human race.It's been done all over, and you can find it in all groups now, too. I just find tracing your own lineage fascinating. I have nothing to do with the Pacific or Asia but I like to see their history too.
So, in the course of tracing one's ancestry, I think some people take their ancestors and then themselves too seriously. As if they are most special in humankind, and that gives them an excuse to hire same-ethnic people for jobs all the way up to killing or using them as slaves or something. But yes, very interesting. :)
I thoroughly disagree with you like the other person that replied. You must keep in mind that many if not most Austronesian peoples have a brutal history of colonization, and now must work with only bits and pieces to define their own precolonial history. To deny the relevance of finding our common roots and spreading the knowledge is to not recognize the extent of the damage colonization has done on our people. And it demonstrates a lack of understanding of Austronesian cultures and history to assume they’re at risk of becoming racist or something due to simply learning of their origins. Not every culture works like that. And honestly, the problem if anything is that most Austronesians either don’t know about their history, don’t care about it, or have actual disdain for it. So to suggest simply learning about our own origins is a bad or even just risky idea because we’ll get a “superiority” complex and start oppressing others is bizarre, offensive, and more harmful than you realize. For some of us, it’s not just a matter of opinion or a passing curiosity, but a matter of family history, heritage, and identity.
Great video again, thank you. However, just a slightly alternative point about pedagogy that I'd like to raise: a number of lines of evidence have increasingly honed in on the Philippines as the primary dispersal point of Austronesian speakers. " Out-of-Taiwan", while of course the best explanation for the homeland of the Formosan-speaking Austronesians, is a somewhat misleading or inaccurate way to characterize the Malayo-Polynesian dispersal. Here's a snippet of one recent archaeogenetic study I remember which demonstrates this perspective: "The ancestors of Cordillerans diverged from indigenous peoples of Taiwan at least 8,000 y ago... where some of their descendants remain to be the least admixed East Asian groups carrying an ancestry shared by all Austronesian-speaking populations. These observations contradict an exclusive 'out-of--Taiwan' model of farming-language-people dispersal within the last four millennia for the Philippines and Island Southeast Asia." - Larena et al. (2021) [Multiple migrations to the Philippines during the last 50,000 years]. This extends even further the previous estimation of an around 700 y pause Proto-Malayo-Polynesian speakers spent in the Philippines while they developed the Malayo-Polynesian branch of languages, as well as more complex material culture associated with boat-making (Dizon, 2019), afterwards settling everywhere else in relatively rapid succession. Also, the numerous Formosan Austronesian groups display remarkable genetic, cultural, and linguistic diversity, with the majority of them being only distantly related in these ways to the Malayo-Polynesian groups. There are in fact deeper splits between Formosan languages, which are only spoken in Taiwan, than there are between even the most distant Malayo-Polynesian languages, which as we know constitute all Austronesian languages outside Taiwan. This is a nuance that is almost always neglected, but is gradually influencing the latest scholarly analyses of the expansion of Malayo-Polynesian speakers and Lapita. Dr. Patrick Wyman on his podcast "Tides of History" goes more in-depth about why it's technically much more accurate to frame the Philippines as something like the 'Malayo-Polynesian dispersal point', rather than Taiwan as the starting point of the seafarers we speak of in most of these discussions (ep: The Austronesian Expansion Part 2).
Anyway, I'm so glad you're spreading the recent research of Austronesian peoples on the same channel in which you discuss neocolonialism. I hope each video stokes a greater public sentiment for the crucial study and preservation of all indigenous Austronesian heritages.
Are there any upcoming or recently published papers which focus on the malayo-Polynesian expansion since the 2021 genetic study? Also what episode of the podcast was this?
Wow, you are sharing so many excellent videos lately!!! Your channel is one fire ❤🔥, meaning in a good way for internet performance. I like how you mentioned all of the published sources, and people can access online for all of the details and supporting documentation.
Dangkolo' si Yu'os ma'ase' for your kind words! I'm thrilled to hear that you're enjoying the videos. It's really important to me to provide reliable information and make sure viewers can access all the details and supporting documentation. Your feedback means a lot and motivates me to keep sharing quality content. Thanks again for your support!
@@pulanspeaksplease do continue to speak, Pulan. Sen dankulo na si Yu’us ma’ase’ ginen guahu lokkue’.
Guahu si Ana Villagomez ya malagu yu’ gumotti kanai-mu. I’d love to meet you in person and thank you. #revivemarianas #pueshafa
Great video. The genetic traces along the path taken by ancestors to settle the Marianas will yield interesting stories. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps in the future you could further explore the various genetic admixture events and the clues that drive current hypotheses regarding ancestry of Chamorro people.
Comparing them to Palauan, Carolinian, Yapese and other Micronesians would be interesting. Please keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The genetic journey of the ancestors who settled the Marianas is indeed fascinating and full of intriguing stories. Currently, there are no ancient DNA studies of other peoples in Micronesia except for the CHamorus and Pohnpeians. However, once more studies are completed, I will definitely compare the genetic admixture events and ancestry of the CHamoru people with those of the Palauan, Carolinian, Yapese, and other Micronesian groups. Your suggestion is much appreciated, and I'll keep it in mind for future videos. Thanks again for your support and encouragement!
Hey, do be careful with older studies (like the 2013 one), as archeogenetic studies have the tendency to get outdated quite fast. Austronesia is an interesting region to study, but it does have it's limits: large amounts of samples are needed for a proper study (sample size is a problem in Oceania), but because of small populations, recently 'unrelated' people are harder to find and skeletons don't preserve particularly well in the tropics either. Most charts we see on Oceania are based on rather limited samples, so the percentages in the pie charts and tables might be off.
Adei Pulan, sumén tinane' hao! Mama'títinas hao meggai na video 👏 sigi mo'na che'lu
Dangkolo' si Yu'os ma'ase' sa hagu muna'matatnga yu', che'lu! Hunggan, mama'tinas yu' meggai na video sa hu gof guiaya iyo-ta taotao tano'! Biba CHamoru!
The C mutation is philippine derived. Not present in taiwanese populations but present in philippine populations. Thats why the map shows the branching off from luzon and not directly from taiwan
Thank you for your comment. It's interesting to look into the genetic details. The C mutation in the B4 haplogroup is actually unique to the Marianas and not found in any other populations, including those in the Philippines and Taiwan. This uniqueness highlights the distinct genetics of the CHamoru people. The map showing branching from Luzon, which I created, reflects a broader understanding of Austronesian expansion, but this specific mutation emphasizes the unique genetic heritage of the CHamorus in the Marianas. Thanks for engaging with the content!
@@pulanspeaks hi can i ask for the source? Usually and in previous year a 23and me result from guam would show philippines (not indonesia) as the genetic population marker was unique. Although im not sure if they can now separate the guam markers. Im trying to track the mutation markers so having the source or previoua atidy would be really helpful in my own research
@@markv1974 Source, Miguel Vilar.
@@markv1974 we may have similar ancestry but we’re not Filipinos, were Chamorros.
@@YoudontneedtoknowboyNo one is saying that you are Filipinos. Just because your lineage came from Luzon doesnt make you Filipinos. Don't apply current identities to ancient people.
Fascinating topic.
Would like to visit one day.
I'm soooo far away.
I admire Oceania.
Great video as usual. Prehistoric Taiwan had plenty of megalith structures, as well as being one of the earliest rice cultivating cultures, even spreading rice related Austronesian vocabularies from Japan to the rest of SEA. If prehistorical jade ware made with jade from Eastern Taiwan, which were also found in the Philippines and Vietnam, is ever discovered in Guam, I guess that would be the icing on the cake.
Just did a quick search, there is a jade bead found on the island of Pagan. Wonder if they ever analyzed where that jade came from.
Thank you so much for your kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The idea that the CHamorus ultimately came from Taiwan via Island Southeast Asia aligns well with the Out of Taiwan theory for Austronesian expansion. It's fascinating to see how these connections continue to unfold through research. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Awesome video, been trying to explain this to relatives but now they can just watch a better explanation. 👌🏾👌🏾
Thank you so much! I'm glad you found the video helpful. It can indeed be challenging to explain CHamoru genetics and ancestry to relatives, but I'm happy to hear that this video can serve as a useful resource for you. Hopefully, it makes the conversation a bit easier. Thanks for watching and for your support!
@@pulanspeaks you’re welcome chelu!
whats with the hands? lol Great video though. Thanks for sharing.
The earliest individual carrying mitochondrial haplogroup E is the 8,300 year old Liangdao 1 sample found on the Mazu Island just off the coast of Fujian in Southeast China. The ultimate homeland of Proto-Austronesian or Austro-Tai was likely somewhere around Fujian or Guangdong in Southeast China.
What theory did you use this time. One can only imagine.
The information presented in this video is based on the latest genetic research, including ancient DNA studies conducted by renowned experts in the field. These studies provide valuable insights and help us understand the history and ancestry of the CHamoru people more accurately.
This is very interesting. I lived on Saipan for ten years and enjoyed examining the latte sites and pottery shards around the island. Regarding ancestry, I think people are too concerned with where they come from. For me, ancestry means nothing at all and it's only one's actions during their lifetime that determine someone's worth.
It's not about worth. It's about history and curiosity. These are not small things. I don't understand people who don't want to know.
@@marnieweaver3935 I basically agree. Ideally it would be only about history and curiosity, which is why I like this stuff. But people, and groups of people, take it to mean their ethnicity or race is something more special than those of other people. This perceived superiority causes strife, war, killing, destruction, etc., all over a delusion, and gives them a seeming excuse and right to do those things.
@@johnfraser8116 Well, that's the story of the human race.It's been done all over, and you can find it in all groups now, too. I just find tracing your own lineage fascinating. I have nothing to do with the Pacific or Asia but I like to see their history too.
So, in the course of tracing one's ancestry, I think some people take their ancestors and then themselves too seriously. As if they are most special in humankind, and that gives them an excuse to hire same-ethnic people for jobs all the way up to killing or using them as slaves or something. But yes, very interesting. :)
I thoroughly disagree with you like the other person that replied. You must keep in mind that many if not most Austronesian peoples have a brutal history of colonization, and now must work with only bits and pieces to define their own precolonial history. To deny the relevance of finding our common roots and spreading the knowledge is to not recognize the extent of the damage colonization has done on our people. And it demonstrates a lack of understanding of Austronesian cultures and history to assume they’re at risk of becoming racist or something due to simply learning of their origins. Not every culture works like that. And honestly, the problem if anything is that most Austronesians either don’t know about their history, don’t care about it, or have actual disdain for it. So to suggest simply learning about our own origins is a bad or even just risky idea because we’ll get a “superiority” complex and start oppressing others is bizarre, offensive, and more harmful than you realize. For some of us, it’s not just a matter of opinion or a passing curiosity, but a matter of family history, heritage, and identity.