In my opinion, the series stuck the landing. Now calling it a 'masterpiece' or 'best anime of all time' would be an overstatement I think (I did have one or two issues with the conclusion, but they're minor - certainly not "the series is ruined"-level some people make it out to be), but I do feel that AoT is going to be an influential milestone in anime culture, if it isn't already. It was a very good ride all in all.
did you notice the ending credits where eren and mikasa were buried, an old man armin still visiting their graves. he was the last to die from the trio. just like when they were kids running towards the tree, he was the last one who reached the tree.
Just watched the last ep, I’m still processing the fact that it’s the end of around 13 years of journey. Started reading this when I was like 10yo so it’ll go down as one of the best piece of fiction I grew up with (absolutely loved the end, gave me code geass vibes but way more « intense » or elaborate since it involves so much more than just people)
I think the point of Ymir choosing Mikasa was that she saw the possibility for Mikasa to do what she couldn't... kill the man she dearly loved for the good of humanity. Ymir failed humanity. She loved the king despite the horrible things he did, just as Mikasa still loved Erin despite the horrible things he did. However, Ymir allowed herself to be utilized for ill purpose by the man she loved, and didn't do what she easily could have.. end his reign of tyranny. When it came to it, she outright sacrificed her life to save his, when the world would have been much better off if she had lived and he had perished. Mikasa succeeded where Ymir failed. When confronted headlong by her love for a man who has committed great evil, she was ultimately able to do the right thing, even though it tore her heart in two. That beautiful heartbreaking act was what allowed Ymir to finally find her peace. I think that was the major reason they put so much emphasis on the scarf at the end. Eren was basically begging Mikasa to stop loving him so she could kill him and live with it, but Mikasa flat out refused to. She loved him till the very end, despite everything, and did what she needed to even in the face of that fact. It is very fitting that she never took off the scarf, and I was happy to see her wearing it at her own funeral in the credits.
yup. Mikasa embodies what Ymir wishes she had the strength to do, and watching her proved to Ymir that it could've turned out differently if she had just had the strength to make a different decision and had chosen to protect her children over her abuser. Mikasa proved that Ymir could've overcome her feelings of love to do what is ultimately the right thing.
To the boy who sought freedom, Goodbye. RIP Eren. In the end, you did exterminate every last titan from this world. This was an awesome adaptation. Thank you Isayama, Well done, MAPPA. This was truly the end of an era.
@@eclips_total2215honestly I didnt get it either and also wish they portrayed that better, but if it didnt turnout well I’m just imagining it would end up looking like some disney princess thing where the animals help the princess dressup and would feel out of place lol.
@@shinryouzenin the manga as i remember they have a separate small panel on how that bird actually did leave the scarf on her shoulder - meaning the bird wrapped it. and also, mappa (or isayama did decide) changed a panel where Gabi and Falco are pushing Levi’s wheelchair as he was recovering. they were in the city. in here they made it more hopeful with the kids planting a tree and him giving candies to kids - to the future. a good change for me.
I loved your discussion on the eren breakdown scene. Personally it is my favorite eren scene in the whole show (and ik thats prob a crazy hot take with all of erens scenes). Eren still wanted mikasa to move on and be free ofc (as seen in the cabin scene between the two) however the breakdown shows how at his core erens a 19 year old kid with a lack of emotional intelligence who gets jealous at the idea of mikasa being with someone else. And I love how the scene happens with no one else but Armin his best friend who he feels safe exposing his true feelings too. Just so many layers to eren man.
I also like that Armin was egging him on because Eren was still keeping that cold front, but Armin knows better than that. Armin knew that might be his last conversation with Eren so he disarmed Eren’s cold front real quick now that Eren was being honest, but not even Armin expected how honest he would be
That would be cool if there was some build up to it. Felt completely out of place here, as we already saw him breakdown when talking to Ramzi in a more realistic way. (in character)
@@thelegacyofgaming2928breaking down infront of Ramzi is a very different conversation. Ramzi doesn't understand what is being said to him, eren knows that. Plus, he wasn't sharing his personal vulnerable side with Ramzi, he was sharing the guilt of the horrendous act he was going to commit. How it was breaking him. The conversation with Ramzi was about the greater scenario that the Rumbling was causing, while the conversation with Armin is about their personal lives.
It breaks my heart more and makes me even more depressed is that Eren first opened his eyes in the first episode after watching the nightmare and saw Mikasa, and he kept his eyes completely closed the whole time of the rumbling because it was hard on him to watch, yet only opened it to see Mikasa’s face for the last time before dying! I can’t believe this masterpiece has ended T.T I’ve been watching anime since 2014 and PERSONALLY there is honestly NO other show that has or could have topped AoT for me. There were great shows but NOTHING like this one. THE PERFECT ENDING FOR THE PERFECT MASTERPIECE IN THE HISTORY OF TV.
I actually really liked Eren and Armin's conversation. For starters, it allowed us to hear from Eren himself his motivations, what he was going through mentally with past and future intertwined and we could understand that the timeline is cyclical so every atrocious thing in his life HAD to happen and he HAD to make them happen which makes everything so much more tragic for him. We also got to finally see Eren's vulnerable side that he could only let out in front of his best friend in the entire world. He finally broke and was able to reveal his most selfish feelings, his love for Mikasa and his deepest wish which is to live alongside her and his friends. It was a great way for US to say goodbye to Eren with him being his most authentic self. Finally, what Armin meant with everything being his fault is that he was always way too naive, he made Eren believe that everything outside the wall was flowers and rainbows and that killing the titans would be the key to forever happiness when that was impossible. Even with all his cunning and intelligence and after seeing the destructive nature of humans inside the walls he still never understood that war is inevitable. I interpret it as Armin feeling responsible for killing Eren's hope and dreams because he created them in the first place. Plus, he did make many questionable decisions during the show, everyone did, so yeah... "hell" it is for all of them 😂. As for Eren never showing interest in Mikasa, I think that it's not true. He never realized his feelings until he was older I think, but we as the audience got moments from his perspective that made us realize that they are a romantic pairing. If we focus solely on Eren showing interest, we have that soft moment during ep1 of season two (i think, might be another), when he's waking up from his injury with Mikasa by his side, everything is pretty and fuzzy, Mikasa looks all ethereal, they focus on the purple flowers which are their symbol, and he looks at her all intrigued like realizing something until they get interrupted. We have the iconic "i'll wrap that scarf as many times as you want to" scene, where Mikasa again looks all ethereal and surreal from his perspective and he punches a fucking titan as a last resort. And many long ass stares during those first three seasons. I think that during those years he didn't know about his own feelings, he realized them as they grew, as he realized what he was going to do, when he realized that she loved him based on those future memories. But he never really believed that she could love him, that's why he even asks Zeke if it has anything to do with her Ackerman bloodline. Their romantic plot was always very subtle and in the background. But Isayama said that he knew the ending from the start and he was unable to alter the storyline, so them confessing earlier or being together would've been impossible because Mikasa might've never found the strength to kill him, or the cabin alternate reality would've happen in which everyone would've died. They are a tragic love story, always an "almost", always something that never could've happened.
For me I feel he "liked" her since the day they met. Since the obvious part was that he was blushing when he first met her and when he wrapped the scarf around her for the first time. They also did the cliche "embarassed" young boy thing that every anime does when they do something for their crush the first time.
@@shukurenaieditz2980 eren didn't actually kill her, but he was the one who moved the titan towards her to save bertholdt so everything can play out the same. It shows us that he really is a slave and couldn't change anything to get to this outcome
@@Donovan_Berserk It really isnt. If he had just given up on his form of "Freedom" aka What he was "drunk" on (Refer to Kenny's quote), then everything would've turned out differently. But he refused to do so and since the finale basically confirmed that the theory/philosophy of Deterministic Reality is 100% true in this story, it meant no matter what he did it would all eventually lead to the same major outcomes. Which if you think about Isayama is the "god" that created a Deterministic Reality due to him pre-planning the major events to the conclusion since the near start.
Honestly the way I saw the Armin/Eren scene it's Armin doing a similar thing for Eren than Levi did for Erwin right before his final charge. He's taking some of the burden off of him and tries to comfort a friend who's done something terrible that noone, not even Eren himself could forgive him for and I really liked that. That scene really hit me and then the one right after where he sees Mikasa with Eren's head had me sobbing for the rest of the episode. Also also why couldn't Mikasa and Eren just have their moment, she kisses him and THEN she still does what she had to do.
I think Eren must have felt so alone the entire time when he was stuck in the cyclical future/past, Armin also wanted to reassure him they would see each other again and he wouldn't be all alone anymore.
@Hikaru.Kamiki If you ever watched aot properly you would have knows Eren was always selfish and childish, he always wanted best for his friends (like when there was choice bw Erwin and Armin),also at the end there were his raw emotions which we saw,he always cared for Mikasa and obviously I too would not want my loved ones to forget me anytime soon if God forbid anything happens.For Eren as we saw in the alternate reality where he spent his rest years with Mikasa if he would have not started rumbling still the future would be the same with Marley being the ones to kill everyone in Paradis Island ,so there were only 2 choices and we know what Eren chose ,he acted selfish and decided to become the villain to protect his friends and people he cared for. Also please don't copy paste hate comments everywhere just because you didn't get your happy ending. This was the best and most realistic ending we got and it was fabulous. Just try creating a story yourself ,I bet you'll not be able to make it half as good. Just let the man be happy and accept the ending he created? L TAKE KID , GO THINK OF A BETTER REASON TO HATE
Mikasa shows Ymir that even if you love a person, when you need to stand up to him, you do it. Ymir refuses to go back to the Coordinates to make any more titans and moves on, and the titan power ends. For those that still don't understand the last 1/3: they were memories that Eren had taken the time to build and bury inside of each one of his friends' heads at different points in time when he was still alive, by short visits every time. Eren would explain to them what he must do and why. They are like his letters left to them, but in a different form. But every time he locked those memories after the visits, to only be unlocked after he died. His power had limited duration so if he had more to say, he would need to do multiple visits. That's why Armin looked differently in each segments because Eren visited him when Armin was at different ages; the last memory segment was buried in Armin head when he was on the ship with Annie. Once Eren died, all those memories were unlocked and all of a sudden they all understood Eren's true intentions. The middle scene where Eren and Mikasa spent time together was Eren showing Mikasa the alternative future if she had just answered differently when Eren asked her what she thought of him, back towards the end of S4 in the camp. Mikasa refused to stay in that scene and forget him, and woke up when Eren's power ran out. The exchange with Armin: Part of Eren's guilt was for wielding the power but not being smart and therefore he could not imagine any better solutions that could result in a better future than killing 80% of humanity. In a way he was saying if he were any smarter, if the power had been vested in someone smarter like Armin, perhaps the destined future would be better - and he blames himself. Armin essentially said to Eren that he didn't need to bear all the guilt alone, that Armin is willing to share the burden, responsibilities and consequences with him, that he will be happy to spend the rest of eternity in hell together with Eren. They are facing everything together, Eren no longer needs to be alone, even in hell; it's an ultra warm gesture from Armin. At the end, Eren did save most of his friends and everyone he knew on Paradis island. History did eventually repeat itself and Paradis still met its end, but that's hundreds of years later and not relevant to anyone he knew. Yeah there are a lot of details buried that are easy to miss if you just watch this once. If you do a second or third watch, you will see a lot of details. Down to little ones such as Ylena pausing and getting teary eyes because the crate she was about to handle happened to contain baseballs, which reminded her of Zeke.
@@t-ro6176 Just read the manga. These points are explained a lot better there. Things here, even the animation, is just rushed. Half of it looks like colored in manga with 30% of the words spoken that were in the actual manga. Honestly the music and action scenes were the only good parts because the action was a bit confusing in the manga, but everything else totally needed more budget in this finale.
I'm pretty sure the convo with Armin was all at the same time. Young Armin knows all the future events, you can argue "Eren gave him future memories then erased them" but nothing really supports that. The conversation also flows from one age scene to the next, and feels more like one long talk than like 5 separate ones. It was just a stylistic choice
@@prod3clipsPeople really do be taking the experiences given to us for granted and it's sad, deadass. Any of our favorite shows could end up like Promised Neverland season 2 but nevertheless people will find a way to whine and moan. I really hope dude was trolling smh.
1:07:02 Ange I totally get your point except that Eren showed that side and said those sentences only to Armin, he knew Mikasa wouldn’t know them unless Armin says anything that’s why he told him “don’t tell that to Mikasa”. If he was bounding her to himself (which is against his principal of freedom) he wouldn’t have told her to forget all about him when he’s dead. He’s freeing her from his love yet confesses to Armin how hard that would be for and how he wished it wouldn’t happen. He’s at the verge of death and he’s pouring everything in his heart to his brother so of course he would look out of his usual character if you know what I mean
All very good points. I just think the dialogue was a bit abrasive to be honest. I understand why he pushed her away in Season 4, but it would’ve been nice to have seen him gush over her a few times during Seasons 1-3 so that a moment like this didn’t come as such a shock.
@@CarlieAndAnge yeah i totally get that, it’s the same for Annie and Armin. It was sudden so not all could have accepted it. Totally get that but to me at least (maybe because I’m an emotional person) I found even the little gestures (like when he told her “I’ll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want”) and the way he was forcibly pushing her away at the table scene were all hints, but I thought that was my way of understanding those scenes it wasn’t obvious for all of us so I get you
I agree with you, its a bit easy to say its not in character, it was 100% in character, he just shut off everything emotionally when he actually went for it for his goal. That one moment was the last time he threw everything emotionally towards his friend before shutting it off. I did not think it was weird at all, he is just a kid who gotten big mental issues, he saw everything all at once, no normal human would stay sane like that. Also there are alot of relationships that are completely abusive but the abused person still loves the other person, its weird it happens, but its not out of the norm.
@@faithkim8503 I don't think Annie and Armin hapenned all of the sudden (neither with Eren and Mikasa, and I'm not a shiper of them), I just think their moments were made in a sense that in the surface they seem simple so not that relevant, but that speak volumes in the lows. People can look at their scenes and just say "she saved him there" or "he told her she's a nice person here" and move on and don't thhink about it twice so it doesn't look important or like something beyond (and then we didn't have her for a long time) and with time they forget a lot so they lose all the meaning in those scenes, that are deep ones. Feel like something similar happens with Eren and Mikasa, but more than missing them for a long time like with Armin and Annie, as Eren is the MC his plots and arcs are really busy, so I feel like is way easier to focus on another 20 different things that are going on with him rather than in some interactions that in the surpace can seem simple and not all that relevant, even when they are.
@@CarlieAndAngeHim gushing over her at any point would've been weird, i think this scene is so good because of the fact that he didn't. People bottle things up all the time, and erens an emotionally stunted teen that's had plenty of other shit on his mind since he was a boy
I'll never get over how pretty Mikasa looks from Eren's POV.. She really represented the beauty in Eren's cruel world.. also Eren didn’t fully close his eyes until he got one more look of Mikasa.. He didn’t care about anything else in this moment but her. She truly was the apple of his eye 🥲😭
it was sung by both mikasa's and erens va. not from a single perspective but from both of their perspectives. they both speak about each other in the song@@Lamiya-y-111
About Eren killing his mom. Eren stated that he tried to change the future so so many times and with no avail. The point of the reveal was not just that Bertolt needed to live but that his mom HAD to be eaten by that titan to start Eren on his quest for revenge in the first place. If that never happened, no motivation for Eren, no rumbling, his whole plan wouldve been ruined and it was impossible for him to change it in the first place. It’s important to remember AOT has a fixed timeline which means nothing about what has happened can change, as Eren said it’s the past and future all at once. Hope this helps!
Imo I think it's because of the founder's powers and how it's connected to every eldian that he feels responsible somehow. I dont think he had the power to influence random titans of the past. Just moments before he said that he admits that his head is messed up because of his powers, this is just an extension of that statement imo.
I mean he said himself the main reason he wanted the rumbling is because he wanted to see that view thst he himself called the view of freedom. His main reason wasn’t mikasa or Armin. He says he is an idiot. He himself said he used the both of them as an excuse. „Child of the evil“ wasn’t just random. He told Armin that no matter what, giving him such powers would never be good. Obviously Eren has been different than other kids. Many people just tend to deny stated facts because he grew up in front of our eyes. We have seen Eren who would cry, laugh be passionate and saves others. But if the main protagonist was someone else that grew up in front of our eyes and we sympathize with like we did with Eren and then eren would do this exact thing but coming from outside the walls, the enemy side, would be still defend this enemy?
Mikasa crying under the tree, and seeing "the end" broke me in a way words cant express it, im thankful to be alive and see this beautiful anime ending but im so heart broken #thankyouisayama, #thankyouwit ,#thankyoumappa . It was a wonderful journey
I would've lost it if they showed her carrying Eren's head to the tree properly this time, like in the Part 3 outro, which is now confirmed to be exactly that. :(
Fun fact regarding Ange’s thoughts about Eren never showing interest in Mikasa like that. Isayama was going to have them kiss in the scene where Mikasa is saying “thank you” to Eren for everything, after Hannes died (season 2, ep 12). But Isayama was too shy and felt weird about drawing them kissing 😂 Either way, that moment was definitely meant to be a hint at their romantic feelings for each other.
@@Anggliohe literally made it clear that he never wanted Mikasa to be with another man, crying about how it hurts to even think of that idea and telling Armin that he wants her to think of only him
@@Angglio Could be some things I'm missing or forgetting but from what I can gather, During his younger years he's just dense and didn't really comprehend Mikasa's feelings for him, there were moments where Eren showed discomfort at being treated like a kid/brother by Mikasa, who kinda took on the role of Carla to both Armin and Eren. One time you can see a slight hint is when he blushes when wrapping the scarf around her. During the 104th training arc, it's 50/50 whether he showed it but you CAN find hints if you want. Like how he wanted to grow stronger to protect her but realized it was the opposite and Mikasa protects him instead and felt shot down because he perceived Mikasa treating him like a kid but didn't realize it was out of love. I think the first hint or beginning of feelings could've been developed when Mikasa gave him those words of comfort in the S2 finale. Plus, throughout the story Eren has been quite preoccupied with other horrible shit to have even begun entertaining romantic feelings. After this scene in s2 finale, they both acted much more kinder/respectable towards each other, especially during the retake of shiganshina part. And shortly after, his mind forever got blasted by the memories and learning about the curse of ymir, etc, and started distancing himself and spiraling. And like I said, Eren was a little dense in the romantic department, couldn't understand why Mikasa interrupted Eren and Historia's conversation, but Historia clocked in immediately that she was a little jealous. And by the time Eren had gained more maturity and probably started developing more solidified feelings, he was already cursed with the memories of the future and begun going down the path where he basically isolated himself and became a slave to freedom. The only time he probably almost caved was during their conversation while looking upon the refugee camp in season 4 part 2 finale I think. Where he was looking for a way out through Mikasa, who unfortunately gave the answer that he has always seen through the memories, confirming the unbending fate that he has to go through with. "Mikasa, what am I to you?" He asked as he was desperately looking for a way out, unsure of what Mikasa thinks of him, family, someone who saved her? Sure, you can call it a cheap retcon or whatever but Eren as a character wouldn't really be showing his romantic interest like that, especially if it developed fully during his older years. That's why people say it looked weird when he started acting 'pathetic' while talking to Armin but that was really the only chance he had to be completely vulnerable and allow himself to be a normal person. He's still a kid deep down who got cursed with a horrible burden and never got to be normal.
If Carla didn't die in the first episode by Dina, every single thing in the story would be soooo different. Just imagine them running together, Carla as we all know is very strict, she would tell Eren to stay as close to her and not to do anything. Eren would definetily not get as close as traumized as he was. Even if by ANY chanse Grisha still gives Eren his power, Eren obviously forgets it, still wants to become a scout, Carla would rather die then let Eren do it. So imagine if Eren never became a scout. Bertholdt destroys the wall (again in episode 4), the wall DOESEN'T get sealed. They shrunk little by little untill they all just die. It definetly isn't for shock value, and if it wasn't as it was, nothing of this would've happened.
No, you are missing the argument. Thing is Eren killing his mom does not make sense. It makes the story collapse. From the third act in the first episode it was made clear eren wanted to be a scout. The motivation was never based solely on his mom dying. The scene of Eren seeing the scouts coming from a mission, Eren making his Argument to his dad and Mom. This is further emphasis in season 4 even, zeke seeing that it was not his father's brain washing that turned Eren into who he is, from the day he was born, he wanted freedom. And this is seen clearly when Eren was protecting Mikasa from her kidnapers, he saw them taking someone else's freedom and took theirs in return. Eren was ,without his mother dying ,going to be a fighter, join the scouts. This scene breaks the f*cking story. How the f is he controling that titan, and if he could just do that then why not prevent all the other things, prevent the world ending maybe. That scene admits that he could have controlled the titans and prevented everything from the beginning.Then there would be not fu*king story innit. They could have just excused that scene.
@@SADDKidd-ky9qb hmm i never said Eren wouldn't want to become a scout, it was obvious from the very first episode. All i'm saying is that Carla would NEVER let him become one.
@@SADDKidd-ky9qb Because the story is based on the philosophy of Determinism. Despite any lil changes to get from Point A to B to C, it would still lead to the same outcome. Eren being "drunk" on his view of Freedom is one of the major points within such a reality that can't be altered. His mothers death during the fall of Shinganshina is also a Determined outcome. Which yes I would agree he would still continue to pursue the goal of joining the Scouts, it was his mothers death that was a catalyst for future major events that needed to happen; Like the finale of S2 for example. Also if u recall Dina making a vow/will to find Grisha, then it wouldn't be too unlikely that Eren showed memories of Grisha to lead her towards the house. So yes Eren is correct that he was a "Slave to Freedom" but he was also aware that they live in a reality where "Free Will" inherently doesn't exist in a Deterministic Reality. He was just cursed with the ability to find out that it exists and became desperate to change it but he couldn't.
@@Daigon95 absolutely. everything was destined to happen from the very beginning and i feel so bad for eren for witnessing all of this and suffering just because he was just born into this world. truly truly tragic story that many people would misunderstood
I realized that when Eren says that he is a slave to freedom, it actually makes A LOT of sense because remember when Kruger was telling Grisha about the Attack Titan, he said that this titan has always pursued freedom whatever generation it has found itself in. Eren also said that his head is messed up from not knowing what the past or future is and that's because of the Attack Titan's ability. So basically, all this time, Eren as an individual was a slave to the Attack Titan's pursuit of freedom. I believe that's the reason that Eren could never deviate from the path he had already seen for himself (Eg: saving that middle eastern kid in the market). Probably that's why he was banking upon Mikasa to make a different choice so that a deviation could happen. But Mikasa made her choices and while that gave no happiness to her and Eren, it did free Ymir and eradicate Titan Power, which was the show's ultimate objective. Regarding how Eren transformed into a colossal, well, all titans are created by Ymir, right? The Founder created him into a colossal even though she wasn't a part of him in the moment, I think.
The amount of Foreshadowing in AOT is insane. Remember Kenny telling Levi that everyone was slave to something. Eren who was pursuing Freedom, in the end became a slave to freedom.
If I'm correct, the attack titan's ability was to only see into the memories of future inheritors. The idea of it always "striving for freedom" was something Eren planted in all the memories of the past inheritors so all the events preceeding would lead to the moment Grisha stole the founding from Freida.
@@NubK4the question I still got was, because Eren also had Grisha’s memories when he was born and named by his father and said “you are free”, I wonder when he got that cause he could not even explain he said it was there all along like he longed for freedom. And because only Mikasa had that love at par with Ymir, she chose Eren. My head hurts.
The scene where we see Mikasa and Eren on that "different" timeline is actually the prologue to the timeline we are in (the Manga actually starts with some of these scneses). Think of it like this - Eren is in the paths and he tells Armin that he tried over and over but in the end it always comes to that one future he saw in the memories. The prologue we see actually happened, we see Eren in the end there in the prologue sitting there and dying since his last 4 years are over (the tian marks indicating that) - "See you later Eren" says Mikasa and then Eren basically dies in that one and in the next scene our actual story begins where Eren wakes up on that tree he likes so much takin naps. This story we are in is the one where it happens how Eren sees in his future memories - he literally says he had to let Bertold live so he moved Dina-Titan to his mum, indicating that if he had not done that Bertold would have been eaten and/maybe his mother never got eaten etc. etc. meaning that would be another failed timeline (I am almost sure he also had this timeline going). Remember eren is in the paths with the full Founders power, that's why he said to Armin he tried and tried but in the end it's this one story that needs to happen basically.
I think why Armin is taking part of accountability by saying "see you in hell" was also because when they infiltrated the Marley in season 4, Armin transformed into his colossal form and killed many innocent people including children. So maybe (in my honest opinon) he felt a little bit responsible about this killings as well. I dont know , thats just how i understood it. Its also a good call back when Berthoto said " somebody has to be the one to stain their hands with blood" Ps Sorry for my english😅
It's a legit complaint tho Ishiyama really wanted Armin/Mikasa to simp for Eren eternally and often forgot there are times they SHOULD disagree. Hard to have a more poignant example than your bro murdering 80%of people And they even toned it down from the manga where Armon downright praised Eren
That's why Armin was asked straight up about Mikasa while the rumbling was happening and 80% is getting killed. Armin is not even a good friend for hugging Eren for what he did. Armin, what a hypocrite you are!
34:27 He's human! I think that's the importance of his words. You can acknowledge how much you want to hold on to someone while fully understanding you need to let them go. He told his brother how far his feelings for her went but he told her exactly what she needed to hear, which was that ultimately she needed to move on and be free. He went as far as to say she should forget him. I think that differentiation is important.
I think the problem a lot of people have with the ending is the fact that Eldia is attacked in the future due to Eren not completing 100% of the Rumbling. However, the author’s intent was to demonstrate that no matter what, humanity will always fight against each other. Hypothetically speaking, even if Eren did complete the Rumbiling and only Eldians exist, they would eventually find a reason to fight in a long enough timeline. The case that Eldians fighting Eldians is better than the world fighting Eldians makes no sense. At the end of the day, people will always fight people regardless of their shared or unshared blood/ancestry. The point of Attack on Titan is to show the viewers that humanity will always fight itself - whether it be by difference of race or not. The world is cruel and no Rumbiling could ever stop human hate from propagating itself again in the future. We can see it with our world today, there’s been two world wars already and the fighting still continues.
It is also crazy that people assume this makes the entire conflict "pointless". Eren's one true goal is to let his friends live in a titan-free world and love long happy lives. Judging by how far civilization got before ultimately destroying itself was just proof that he did achieve this peace. Heck, even in our reality such a long standing freedom and peace has never existed.
I occasionally browse the reddit and the problems seem to be cause from the manga being rushed. There are a lot of unanswered questions and plot holes. People were saying he should've taken a break to properly plan out everything after the beach. I think the writer wrote himself into a corner and didn't know how to tie up loose ends, he was and still is quite young so he's not at the level of an expert writer. Though I don't mind the ending much and think it's the best we got considering the circumstances.
One thing that first bugged me about this episode was how Eren was portrayed acting in a childish state by Isayama. The scene where he confesses about Mikasa was controversial and memed at when the manga chapter was released. Yet Isayama never changed his stance on that scene. He even defended it and said he liked it. He could have removed it from the anime but he chose not to. I finally came to understand that it is not only to lift the facade that Eren had portrayed but also because he understood that many fans had begun to like and support that facade of Eren and the idea of complete Genocide that Eren seemed to be devoted to. He wanted to tear apart that false image. That's why he made the confession so raw. He wanted it to hit. And it did hit. That scene recieved so much hate in the manga yet it was doubled down on in the anime 😂
I think that conversation was more like between 2 besties who are pouring their heart out without any filters because all that time he had to act in a way that's the only moment he was himself.
Personally, I loved this ending. I was a bit scared I wouldn't, but I was happy I did. I can really see how Mikasa kissing Eren's severed head there is super risky and could be very hit or miss. I was thinking of all the moments throughout the show where Mikasa shows how much she loves Eren, and I always felt like Eren loved her, too. So, it was so incredibly sad and beautiful at the same time that she finally kissed him, but never got to do it when he was alive. I was really happy to see Eren finally admit that he loves her in that memory as well.
The ending has a strong meaning. Eren eradicated the powers of the Titan curse to lift the rage against Eldians but even though he can’t stop war. Its like modern times. War never ends but its possible to live in peace and thats what Eren wanted for Mikasa, Armin and all his friends. The boy with the dog shows that it will unfortunately repeat again. Thats what I love about attack on titan, its violently honest but it shows the real meaning of living in peace.
@@gazelle_diamond9768 look carefully at the tree which the boy with the dog visited. Its the same one under which ymir found the parasite thing which gave her the original titan powers
The reason why mikasa had to be a "slave of eren" was because she had to parallel Ymir's love enslavement of King Fritz. Except Mikasa broke the cycle by killing the person she most loved. Which also inspired Ymir to let go as well. So Mikasa is actually tougher than most people think. Imagine having to kill a person you are so obsessively in love with? Imagine killing the person you are in love with right now. Mikasa is more independent than one might think. And thats the point of her character. She is the change that needs to occur, and she did it.
However, the narrative drawback to this setup is that Mikasa's individual character writing suffered as a result of being a "slave to Eren." Her character just revolved a little too much around him throughout the series, she didn't have enough outside of that. That's the price the story paid for insisting on this route with the Ymir parallel. I don't think Mikasa is all bad, just think the story could've handled her better.
@@brendanlee369 but that's not only just a set up, it's literally one of the main story lines of aot. In fact, aot was inspired by a love story. This story is a love story. That's the point for mikasa's character. Anything else would've ruined it or have been unnecessary/redundant/irrelevant. The only reason why people criticize it is because the general audience doesn't like to see a women obsessively in love with a man because it's sexist or politically incorrect now. You can say what you criticized on mikasa to any other character. "Guts is just a depressed maniac" "Johan is just a psychopath". You're never going to find the complexity of a character if all you do is simplify it because you didn't like what the character centered on. The point of her character was exactly what we got and was planned before the manga even started. Her character is purposefully flawed to be so. My point is that if you take away her obsession, half the story is gone.
@@g_g... Uh no, I wouldn't say that about Guts because he has plenty of other complex aspects and relationships outside his romance with Casca... you're the one simplifying that. Dunno enough about Johan. We have like over 4 seasons worth of story content here, I expect stronger individual writing for one of the most core characters. Mikasa can still love Eren deeply, doesn't mean she can't have other interesting things going on with her, especially when Eren's not around. "Half the story is gone" is a hell of an exaggeration. And anyway, this Ymir reveal/parallel still came in last minute and I think the execution wasn't the best. Like I dunno, maybe portray King Fritz as less comically evil and more nuanced like how Isayama treats morality in his other characters. Even abusers tend to have some "good" moments that keep the abused emotionally trapped and conflicted, that's why it's a cycle. Eren even used "aishiteru" (in Japanese, basically the highest form of love) to describe Ymir's feelings, which I find pretty distasteful. Eren was in no position to identify something that deep. As for the parallel, I don't think it was absolutely necessary to frame it like Mikasa was the sole answer here. Armin said Ymir was "seeking connection", that she was "searching for something from us". What she observed in the Paths during the conversation between Armin and Zeke, the revival of fallen characters, past Titans becoming allies, and just in general everyone's efforts in fighting together, should've also been part of the answer with ending the Titan curse, imo. Mikasa would just be the final piece, but you can love someone without having your character sacrificed. All of these things together, not just Mikasa, would affect Ymir.
Everytime I think I should come back for the last season I read shit like this and remember how bad it got. A dragged out extremely top heavy narrative that relies on lengthy exposition. I think it rven struggles keeping up with itself and just becomes a lore fountain at times
@@brendanlee369 you clearly still don't understand what I'm saying. This story line, of mikasa being like that, although seemingly less relevant, is technically the point of the story. The only reason it doesn't seem that way is because it is overshadowed by its other, more noticeable, aspects. Aot is founded by this story in specific. And you're dismissing it as unimportant or just not enough. I'll ask you this. If you were really analyzing this in this objectively, then why are you not criticizing a bunch of other characters like Levi for being how he is? He is extremely similar to Mikasa. The main difference being the idea and subject. The problem is that you're dismissing the complexity of a character simply because it refers to a subject you dislike. Because if you were actually objectively arguing, you would've held other characters to the same regard as Mikasa. But clearly, they're all complicated in some way. Including Mikasa. You just gotta pay attention to detail. You probably: didn't read the full manga, didn't watch the OVAs and you are being biased.
Man I’m glad Eren acted the way he did and admitted he didn’t wanna die it showed how human he was after all you’d think having the burden of causing the rumbling would be heavy…
Not really. Accepting the fact doesn't mean you won't be affected. Could be he is just holding it all in From the beginning till the end, we know Eren to be emotional but when he saw the future, he became cold. It made sense that he'd break down and let his real feelings out to his best friend. @@global_dimming
Many people have misunderstood Eren's ultimate goal as the salvation of all humanity, which has led to a misconception that his efforts were ultimately in vain. In reality, Eren's sole wish (after knowing that humanity live outside the wall) was to ensure that Mikasa, Armin, and their companions could lead peaceful lives during their lifetime. From this perspective, his goal was indeed fulfilled, and his existence and effort was far from meaningless (tho not necessarily morally justifiable). They had the opportunity to have families and pass away peacefully long before the war resurfaced 20,000 years later (the exact time is hinted in the final song). This concept mirrors the profound conversation between Armin and Zeke about the meaning of life. If life were merely about procreation and death, it might seem pointless. However, the truth lies in the memories created during one's lifetime, which give life its value and offer a reason to persist, regardless of how insignificant those memories may appear. This perspective imbues the seemingly futile cycle of life struggle with profound meaning. Nonetheless, it's important to acknowledge that the ending has its flaws, particularly in the way the story is structured, the pacing, and the plot's progression. These issues were present in the manga and have carried over into this anime adaptation. Nevertheless, I still find it to be a satisfactory conclusion to this amazing series.
For most parts I like the ending but still, Eren should have known better... he trusted Armin on "intelligent" debates and conflict solution basically most of his life and Armins idea of showing a part of the rumbling to destroy the Army of the Alliance would have been the better choice. I don't understand why Eren didnt take this route. No one would have died unnecessarily like Hange and Sasha (who he also wanted to have a long life) and paradise island would have been protected at least for the rest of their lifetime. The only thing I can think of is that Eren knew he would die in the next 4 years and he wouldnt want to leave the choices afterwards to chance... but still...
He said that he planned to stop the cycle by burring civilization. His main goal was to save his friends, but he did stupidly believe burring civilization would stop the cycle.
Eren's character really contradicted himself through out the seasons. First his motivation was him being born into this world and wanting freedom from living like cattle > then he told Zeke it's all for his friends > then he told Ramzi, it's because of Armin's book and the disappointment from the sights he expected > and in the end he says he doesn't know why he did it, probably cuz he's and idiot with power. That's just bad writing for me
@@evanvalenti5051 but he already knew he was only going to destroy 80% of life before he would be stopped by his friends... so destroying all civilization could not have been a side goal.
@@hubachecka because he couldn't take that route. People seem to think that Eren planned everything but in the end it was all fate. Eren specifically says he tried to change things but it always ended up the same. Eren was never free, he was always puppeteered. He didn't want to send the titan to his mum but he had to, it couldn't be changed. Eren done the best he could with the outcome that was fated with, resulting in his friends living for years without conflict until old age took them.
Hello Carlie and Ange! You probably won't read this since you finished this series months ago but I just watched the final episode last night and wanted to tell you that everytime I watched an episode I would come to your channel and watch your reactions since I love them so much! It was so entertaining to watch everything again with you guys, and even though I resumed watching AOT just now (I actually started watching when it first aired years ago but lost track of it) and you already finished it, I felt like you guys accompanied me on my own journey with this magnificent story. It took me 3 hours to actually finish the episode because I was rewinding and pausing all the time cause I had to take little breaks to bawl my eyes out (I did it throughout the whole episode though). This left me with a life crisis even after a day of finishing it and still can't get over the emotional rollercoaster that it was to watch this specials. Just wanted to thank you guys for your reactions and discussions, it was awesome to watch you break down the episodes and to hear your theories. Ange, your covers for the intros were AMAZING, and your Op medley tribute made me emotional all over again, it was fantastic. As I said before, it felt like a warm and fun reunion with friends sharing the love for this series all together. Can't help but say thank you again (: Love you guys ♥
PS 1: 54:58 Mikasa didn't "got back" her memories with Eren in the cabin, he just visited her before he got killed because she's an Ackerman, and remember that the Ackermans are immune to the founding titan's power of erasing memories, also to the power of turning them into titans, that's why Levi tells Pieck that they are the only ones that could still stop Eren. If he visited her before like he did with Armin he wouldn't be able to erase her memories. It's different with Armin because he's just a normal eldian, so Eren could tell him everything, erase his memories of those conversations and return them to him at the end, just like he said he would do (it's crazy to think that Armin "knew" everything from the start but couldn't remember). I wonder if he visited Levi at the end as well as he did with Mikasa, or he just visited his friends before as he did with Armin. Did Annie get a visit? Historia? It would be really interesting to see the visits as special chapters of the manga and eventually as animated OVAs.
PS 2: 1:02:13 About the boy and his dog going into that tree implying that he's about to encounter a creature similar to the one that gave Ymir her powers, if you pay attention (and Carlie actually pointed it out), at 20:43 there's a shot where a lot of titans are running on Eren's spine and one of them looks just like a dog. That sparks a lot of questions..
Hey legend! Thanks so much for such a lovely message. We can look at all of the AoT comments now because we cant get spoilers 😆 Glad you could watch along with us. It was definitely a memorable series. Hopefully they expand it later down the track! ❤️❤️
@@CarlieAndAnge OMG! You just made my day with your reply ✨ Haha yeah you must be very stress free now that no one can spoil anything. I read the comment section too after watching your reactions and was just as alert trying not to get spoiled. Again, it was a pleasure to watch along with you guys, you're definitely my favourite reactors and if the series ever get expanded, you're the first ones I would watch if you release reactions to that. Hope you have a nice day (or night -I'm from Argentina so we're 13 hours apart I think 😆-). Thank you so much, again! ♥
8:23 "suffocate to death?" As a titan-shifter, Armin can't be killed that way. Just like Annie survived in her crystal without eating, drinking or breathing. 31:17 The blood spray. Just like the end of episode 1. 33:16 The man who is all about freedom and free will was denied both as soon as he kissed Historia's hand in s3. (Well, that's what Eren thinks, anyway.) 35:39 Armen also feels guilty for killing all those civilians when he blew up the fleet. 1:14:01 What did Armen scene add? We got a crystal clear explanation about Eren's loss of free will due to the unchangeable nature of time. We got that great line from Eren about how he was just an idiot who stumbled into great power. I got to see you two lose you minds when you saw what happened with the Dina titan. 1:17:01 Ah, back to the Dina incident. I liked it because it was confirmation that Eren was 100% completely unable to change anything. The alley incident wasn't conclusive. Killing his mother? That's firm proof. If Eren had ANY WAY to prevent that, he would have.
I was crying for 15 min nonstop after it ended. No story has ever impacted me the way AOT did. It was not a story about hero saving the world. Eren was a child who just wanted freedom for his people. But at the end we see after eren generation passed away, paradis evolved as civilisation war, destruction still followed even though there are not Titan in this world. Eren sacrifice could only made sure that his friends spent their life atleast in peace 🕊️ Thank you Isayama for this incredible story ✨
I Loved the Bittersweet Ending It's just tough to swallow & leaves u empty but it's written VERY Realistically written & fits the theme, the characters have their flaws & they're very humanised which's great ( some people hate on it btw💀) The Animators also gave the Best 1st hour of Action & Music was insanely good. A MASTERPIECE FOREVER, Goated Anime.
100% agree every action taken in this show was what humans take facing the situation. I think reason for hating is because it's very easy to sit at home and say this was good this was bad decision.
Personally I felt some of the people trying to kill Eren should've died to add to the realism but all in all it was a good ending to an amazing series.
@@_quirkless_7838 That was a huge flaw with this ending. Nobody in the alliance died. Isayama was realistic in the past where people died in dangerous situations. But here everybody has plot armor so it takes away from the moment and no stakes are there.
1:07:31 I think Ange missed the part where Eren said that he truly wants Mikasa to be happy despite what he truly feels about the idea of keeping himself inside Mikasa's heart for the next ten years! If the show put more of Eren's true feelings in the past episodes, I think Eren in the past episodes would be somewhat different - less scarier and more vulnerable!
Nope, we all saw what we saw. Ange was right. That moment is VERY out of place. The whining and carrying on is just too out of character for someone who only promised to wrap the scarf around Mikasa. We already saw his emotional state when he cried to Ramzi
@@thelegacyofgaming2928Both are opinions and both are valid. I've come to the conclusion that that scene is perceived differently by people depending on how "emotional" they are. Ange didn't like and thinks it's out of character. Carlie liked it and thinks it's actually in-character. The case is closed.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 It only looks like out of character because Eren used to hide his true feelings since he join Zeke. Viewers tend to remember recent events and what is always shown recently. Eren is very emotional in season 1 to 3 but his conviction is weaker compared to season 4. A "whining Eren" is common in S1 to S3. Remember, Eren wants everyone of them to be happy that's why he gave Mikasa a vision of experiencing a short romantic moment with him and he also gave Armin a vision of experiencing travelling with an Eren he used to know - an open book and a pathetic one just like Eren in S1-S3. That's what Eren gave to them. Eren never really grew up as a healthy minded teenager. His mind is already confused as he said that past and future exist simultaneously to his mind that's why all Eren versions in the past exist simultaneously in the current version of Eren.
@@RyzenShanks the thing is although i agree with what u said u also got to remember eren is only 19 years old ofc he shows emotion though it seems out of character for eren who barely showed emotions towards mikasa throughout the whole series but again humans show their true nature on the verge of death as rightly said in naruto shippuden by itachi correct me if i wrote the quote wrong also feel free to disagree by stating your opinion, anyway whoever's reading this i hope you have a wonderful day/night. love
I'm sad not to hear Ange called Eren the shredded titan anymore. We've finally reached the end of what has been an epic ride. Thanks for all the reactions.
Yes thank you for covering AoT and for critically analysing it. I have had the same criticisms of the ending and it feels vindicating when other people are able to see it too instead of blindly ignoring them and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with them that the ending is a masterpiece. Definitely sticking around to see what other shows you guys have covered
I love Zeke building sandcastles during what is essentially the end of the world. He's so iconic. One of my favorite characters to be honest. After all these years, it's finally over. We are free. Goodbye to all of the amazing characters from this story, both alive and dead. Goodbye Armin and Mikasa. And to Eren, the boy who sought freedom, goodbye. Thank you, Isayama.
I'ma be honest, zeke is shitty character to me who gave absolutely zero f***s about people's life, not only that but he enjoyed killing people. Annie as well.
@@mustafamusa798 Zeke did what he did because he gave so many fucks about people's lives, specifically those not yet born. He was an anti-natalist who believed it to be cruel to birth Eldians into a world that despises them, and viewed killing Eldians as saving the unborn from the fate of being an Eldian. His entire plan with the Founding Titan was to give the Eldian race a slow yet painless death, something that he wouldn't do if he gave 0 fucks. Your view of him is if you completely disregard his past and motivations and focus solely on his actions.
As much as I respect your opinion about the scene between Eren and Armin while also agreeing with some of the criticisms about it, I would like to draw a parallel to the first episode. When Eren's mother is desperate to get the kids away but after they are gone and safe, she tells them not to go, revealing her true feelings. It was the same with Eren in this episode. Only after he was dead and Mikasa safe, would he express his true feelings which he himself considers pathetic, to his best friend.
Except Eren's mom had clear build up to that. She didn't just start crying out of nowhere, she showed twice before that that she was heavily concerned for their safety and only went that far because they constantly kept trying to lift the rubble. Eren on the other hand, had no build up to it, and no reason to go that far. We already saw his emotions with Ramzi. TLDR: It's in line with Eren's mom, it's not in line with Eren. Two different characetrs.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928there are plenty of scenes that showed Eren's true feelings about Mikasa though. It's fine though if you didn't see it as such. It didn't work for you. It worked for many others. And that's okay.
@@Dracossack. I'll add "what am I to you?" in episode 4x28. He clearly hoped for another answer from Mikasa, as seen in this final episode in the "vision" he sent to Mikasa; in this vision Mikasa's answer was "let's run and live your last four years together". Also, it's more of a stretch but it works for me, at least looking back at it, every time he got annoyed by Mikasa's protectiveness because he thinks that she treats him as if he's her son or her little brother.
1:16:59 Eren didn't send the smiling titan to kill his mom...he commanded the smiling to not eat Bertholdt which in turn caused the death of his mother...so he indirectly caused his mother's death and regrets his actions and his powerlessness.....the implications are completely different
I feel like a huge theme of the ending and the series as a whole is the idea of the cruel but beautiful world. People tend to dwell on the sad part with the endless cycle of violence but aot also discusses the happy part with the idea of life always prevailing regardless of said cycle.
I loved the ending, especially in the current age i think anything more positive would land unrealistic, but anything more negative would just make the story a pointless tragedy. Isayama managed the perfect balance of showing a realistic part of the world, but also enough hope to keep striving for peace even if it seems impossible to reach.
I'm glad they choose to do the same ending for both in manga and anime, just the anime version has a slight better execution approach in the anime than the manga in term of the dialogue sequence arrangement and pacing. Nonetheless, Manga is indeed too rush on the final chapter. I'm actually anticipating a lot more scenes and moment to occur before Armin see Eren head again, for eg. -The Hallucigenia backstory, -Ymir greet thank you or exchange thought with Mikasa, -Eren other desperate attempts in the timeloop of the path, -or Ymir memories of the moment she is with her King which make her fall for him so badly, -or even some flashback of Eren struggling to pretend as that coldheaded chad Eren after beat Armin up on that round table scene and before he go to Gabi and Pieck, I'm expecting he has a moment of struggling in between these previous scenes. Yet the final chapter didn't include all these plotpoints, that part alone is kind of disappointing for me.
@@JeusAlprime108 yeah, so much more could've been done, but i honestly like it this way as well, it leaves a lot up for interpterion - i like that it's a mystery, which causes the after-credit scene to be mysterious as well, like ''will there be another Hallucigenia inside that tree?'' as we don't know how it started. - I wouldn't like for that to happen, i think it's in a way poetic that ymir has never talked in the anime until the very end, despite how important of a character she was, it plays well on the fact that she was a slave whom tongue was cut off and had no voice to speak for herself, so her thanking mikasa would've left a bit of a bad taste. - I honestly agree, i wish they showed us more of Eren attempting to change the future, only to fail and realize that it's already determined, the only saw him try 2 times and they were both a bit strange, one when he tried to not save ramzi, and one when he asked mikasa what she is to him hoping for a different answer from what he saw in the memories - I also agree, they should've showed us more of why Ymir loved him, yeah she was seeking connections, so yeah maybe she developed a Stockholm syndrome and loved her abuser. and maybe she fell in love with him because he gave her a purpose in life after she was nothing but a slave. he gave her the opportunity to have children whom she clearly care about. but at the same time if she cares so much about her children, and she loved her abuser, why did she let herself die from that spear. and why did she get attached for 2000 years when it comes to this connection with her abuser, instead of getting attached to the connection she had with her children (tl;dr i think they should've fleshed out that plot more) - thats what i mean by i like how some things are up for interpterion. they don't HAVE to show you eren crying after he beat up armin and told mikasa ''i hate you'', because you can think about it and realize it yourself. they don't HAVE to tell you how much eren suffered his entire life being a slave who has to do horrible things including kill his own mother all while his mind is overwhelmed by having memories of the past and present and future all playing at the same time, seeing everything simultaneously, because you can think about it and realize it yourself
@@MoeDaliven Yeah letting Hallucigenia remain as a mystery did fit the genre of the show, that one I agree too. But Ymir exchange thought with Mikasa and Reveal Ymir fall for King Karl moment, actually can be done together, before Ymir finally rest in peace, she may share her memory with Mikasa of where Mikasa succeed but Ymir failed in comparison with Ymir memories of her moments with her King. Yet you disagree first one but agree with latter one, make me not sure if combining them would make it better. Regarding the last one and the third one as well, Eren did Tell a lot about it to Armin and the audience enough for us to visualise it, but I still prefer Show than Tell, because just one scene of that moment should be good enough to clear a lot of haters doubt in regard to Eren out of character speech in the final chapter, for both his intention to promote Armin as Tybur by hitting him hard and also all the test he try to alter the future. We actually need those moment, those scene to empathy better with this real Eren character that has been fooling a lot of audience with that cold chad facade for almost entire final season, that sudden change or revelation twist of his facade in final chapter, is too brief for those haters to process and accept it all out of sudden.
@@JeusAlprime108I just wish they would've fixed some of the other problems with the ending tho since they had the chance. They could keep the same story beats but just change or add things.
KEY DETAIL: If you re-watch now, the Armin/Eren scene was one of the most important. For Ange, I also thought the same thing. Cause when I read the manga; Eren behaved the same way. It was the first time he could feel comfortable and FREE to express his feelings to his close homie. His boy lol. PLUS, remember in the alternate life, Eren literally spent the rest of his 4 years with MIKASA (which we unfortunately couldn't witness)/(They probably got married in secret or something lol); and they were happy and in love. So I think his reaction was pretty normal and vulnerable. It was only weird cause people (especially men), dont say such things out loud, only in their heads or to close friends/family. Cause let's be honest, you also wouldn't be too keen of the love of your life moving on lol...even AFTER your death. But he loved her so much to accept it.
Toxic manga readers keep saying eren should've won with the genocide, but are we forgetting civil wars, regardless if eren killed everyone outside of paradis, another war would have started in paradis itself, did we not see the previous seasons, there are also evil people in paradis as well, hence the whole theme the cycle of hatred will keep repeating itself, am I missing something, this ending was very realistic in my opinion 😂😂
Not gonna lie, as a manga reader I hated the ending, even now I still hate it, but you did bring up a good point with the civil war situation, so I can't really say you didn't understand the story, you make a good point, but I still think atleast some of our favourite characters should have died alongside with eren
In real life its slso the case. Even if there are peace. People will find something to blame and fight for. Look at Feminazis. They only exist just because they never experienced true oppression and war. Black Lives Matter exist only thanks to democrsts, just to scam manipulated people to get on easy money. Antfa exists out of pure hatred and to fo the exact things they preach against. Things like tha will always exists.
Ange my man I totally get what you mean about eren being out of character. That’s my initial thoughts when I read the manga chapter too. But now I can see through the character, eren never changed. He’s still that emotional freedom seeking guy, that’s why the he’s conflicted. Eren doesn’t know what to feel. Knowing that he will be dead in moments,he wants Mikasa to be free. But he also doesn’t want her to be his alone. So he told admin not to tell her what he said. Though it might be a bit poorly executed, eren is still in character imo
Ngl that’s what I kind of hated about the moment, I get the point was to portray eren as if he was conflicted and almost childish about the situation. But at the end of the day irrespective of his reasons to do what he did, he literally committed a mass genocide on an international level. I think a lot of fans have a very very very very VERY hard time digesting the gravity of that. No amount of screen time showing people getting crushed would truly make the average viewer truly understand the scale of that atrocity. And to have eren, the one responsible, crying and feeling sorry for himself acting like a 16 year old high schooler, after eradicating 80% of the population, and armin treating him as if he accidentally knocked over a vase. I get the point is to humanise eren, but I think at that point it was past that. So the scene to me just came off as awkward and almost a bit unsettling.
To an extent I can understand why people feel that Eren having romantic feelings for Mikasa came out of nowhere. But even when the manga was still dropping I think I got exactly what Isayama was going for. I don’t think Eren loved (or at least was aware he loved) Mikasa until after he’d seen the future memories and was getting all existential. Think about it, if you know you’re destined to do something incredibly atrocious, you’d get very introspective and over analyze many things in your life. Eren likely started thinking about the love Mikasa has shown him and questioned how she could love someone like him. I don’t think it’s a coincidence Isayama had Eren ask Mikasa “what am I to you” right after he broke down in front of Ramzi. Also, I think Eren coming up with the Ackerman curse explanation says a lot about where his head was at. He literally asked Zeke about this, so the idea came from Eren’s own mind, probably because he was looking for any other explanation aside from her just loving him. And Zeke was like nah, she just loves you. I’m sure Eren was thinking about that a lot, and on the verge of death he wanted nothing more than to just be with Mikasa without the burdens of the world on his shoulder, just like in the alternate reality he showed her. It took a lot but he finally realized his love for her. So yeah what he said to Armin in the Paths was pathetic, but I don’t think it’s inconsistent with Eren’s character at all considering it was his last moment with his best friend
EXACTLY! Same Eren who said 'Huh? Marlow hasn't done anything wrong..' when everyone was side-eyeing Marlow over not realizing Hitch was in love with him. He lacks so much emotional and romantic awareness it's actually insane to expect him to interpret someone's feelings for him as love, or even be expressive with his before S4 lmaoo.. Isayama highlighted how deficient he is in that department a plethora of times.
You are totally right. I wish more people got that. I think Eren's feeling developed alongside Armin's feelings for Annie, and for similar reasons. He feels alone, he finally realized she loves him as opposed to being forced to as an Ackermann trait, and also he grew up. 15 is still young, he probably just wasn't interested until he was 16-19 years old
@@santiagomartinez3951nah it didn't. The romance was forced. Isayama has also said that Mikasa is Eren's mother figure as well. Romance was trash in this series and people should never make it a focus.
43:06 don’t worry about it. It’s like going back in time 2000 years to a Roman and telling them there will be two massive wars at the heart of their empire in the 20th century, they won’t care. They’ll probably just die on the spot because of the bacteria on your clothes.
33:44 in case anyone forgot. Grisha wanted to stop eren remember? So in order to get the founding, eren had to kill his mother. So that grisha would take revenge by ensuring eren gets the founding and do the rumbling
that's fucked up.. damn.. I realise the desperate need for manipulation but I feel sorry for carla and grisha.. i really do.. to all the characters who died along the series too whether cz of the rumbling or fighting for the sake of what's important to them. Very blunt show if I had to describe it in a word.
38:59 That day, Ymir jumped in front of the spear to save the King and chose to die. Ymir saw the other version of herself in Mikasa and chose Eren. So we saw the scenario where Ymir chooses herself instead of the King. This is very sad. Mikasa killed the King. He was King Eren.
Soooo true Carlie 44:39 they covered what they needed to. That ending shocked us all, with the island being destroyed by future wars. But at that point, it's safe to assume hundreds of years has passed by, at that point, our crew would've already passed away like Mikasa, old, surrounded by those they loved. Who knows? Maybe their descendants left the island way before it got destroyed and they are living happy somewhere else. Since they are considered "heros", they are free to travel, also there's no blood tests anymore because there aren't any subjects of Ymir. Trully a great and hard ending.
Great ending, i just wish they showed us the conversation eren had with jean, connie, annie and reiner. Also Thanks isayama, mappa and wit for this MASTERPIECE.
@@maizeman90 convo with Reiner would probably involve something like Eren revealing the secret of the universe to Reiner casually after asking him how was his lunch, since that's how their conversation usually goes.
Ange understood too. Just because you don't like his criticism doesn't mean he's wrong. Not everything in life is daisies and sunshine. This ending had plenty of flaws and I'm glad Ange was honest about them instead of blindly praising it.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 It is certainly good that he remains honest about his thoughts but he's simply wrong. We do agree that the ending has plenty of flaws, but Eren breaking down here is not one of them
Hi! I'm so glad you've watched this and shared your reactions to us! I've been here for a long time now!! About Eren and Armin's conversation. As a manga reader in Japan, I thought you'd might like more of the manga version conversation. Because the manga version was more light handled, there was a lot of misunderstanding in there conversation, and many people hated it. That's why Isayama thought of a conversation more passionate and more easy-to-understand, he added their hug and so. (There weren't any hugs and the hole "I'll go to hell with you" staff) Although I think the root of the conversation isn't that changed. About Armin leveling himself with Eren, is because, he also slaughtered so much people including civilians, (As Armin said to Annie, he also think himself as a devil) and as Eren's friend, he wanted to be on his side. (But not even to debate, what Eren did was something unforgivable to do, so he said he will go to hell with him, I think) There will be lot's of sides to look at, and I also understand you don't get why Armin did that. But in the end, I thought I liked to see their friend ship like that.(my opinion/BTW my fav is Armin) Oh, and another thing, about sending the titan to his mom, in the manga, they have explained it. The reason was, this was the only way to get rid of the titan powers, so Eren had to make shore that he gets that same emotion and rage to get to this point. So he purposefully send that titan to his mom to let the younger him see his mom get killed to get his rage. I hope I'm explaining it clearly. I hope these can clear some of your questions. Thank you again for the great reaction!
@@SeewiGGexactly! He was lying to Eren and even to us all this time and it was Eren himself who choose to kill her for the sake of getting rid of the titan powers. But young Eren didn’t know that so he got his rage he needed to get to this point!
@@amehiro1103 That would be poor writing then. Even if Isayama did it on purpose, during the entire s4 Eren still had his mom's death as a purpose for doing the rumbling. If he's aware that his mom died because of him, then why would he be remembering that moment during the rumbling or when he arrived on Marley for the first time? It's contradictory that his actions don't match his speech in the last chapter...
@@SeewiGG This is just what I think, because I'm not Isayama, but even if he knew he was the one who chose to kill his own mom, he still had so much rage in the world that he had to chose that path to end all these shit.(And maybe he chose his friends over his mom) Maybe you don't like Isayama leaving some part to think of our own conclusion, but he dose things like this a lot in his plot and I love that he doesn't full in everything so tightly. Again, this is only my opinion.
The perfect way to end this masterpiece. It’s very bittersweet. It’s kind of one of those “the cycle continues” endings. Eren wasn’t trying to end all conflict, he was trying to get rid of the curse of the titans and wipe out the titans. He succeeded in that. The end scene just shows that humans will never change and will always seek conflict and I think that is a 100% accurate depiction and it was handled masterfully
@@blondymonk1535 No it's not. I wish people would stop saying this. That scene is entirely symbolic. The hallucigenia (the big blue worm like thing) is dead, and that is what gave the titan powers to Ymir in the first place, not the tree. We saw it's body had broken apart after Eren was killed and Ymir also vanished. Without it (and Ymir), there is no titan powers.
@@theokayishgamer plenty of other ways to symbolize tho. Why would isayama choose this specific way? Maybe his buried head created a new halluciagenia. How was it created in the first place, we don't know that.
I like to think that since time has no meaning in the path, Mikasa and Eren actually spent years isolated together and got some of the happiness that they deserve
My interpretation is; Eren saw this as a possible future for him. "What if they had run away?" They had spent his last years together and since he saw all this and had the power of the founding titan, he was able to alter Mikasas memories so she also experienced what he experienced in this 4 year timeline. That's why she gets these headaches all the time and at 29:05 her Ackermann blood made it possible for her to "break free" from Erens memory manipulation. That's why she finally saw what Eren had altered in her memories.
@@hubachecka yeah that's what i assumed as well, we were told that the ackerman were ''immune to memory altering'' which is why they were hunted down and mostly eliminated after king karl erased everyone's memory inside paradise following the building of the walls, but somehow eren visited mikasa (as well as armin and everyone else) and erased their memories... it shouldn't have worked on mikasa. so my theory is that what we were told is wrong, the ackerman aren't immune to memory altering, they are just able to remember parts of what they were forced to forget. and this cabin scene was a part of what eren showed mikasa when he visited her (the same way he showed armin the outside world in a volcano and all). and he did it to both give her a last happy memory of them living together, and to make her realize that she wasn't responsible for what happened (because she kept feeling guilty and kept asking herself if things would've been different if she told eren she loved him when asked her ''what am i to you'' on that day) so yeah, she just was able to remember parts of that cabin scene before everyone else's memories returned, because she's an ackerman also, in my opinion, eren gave everyone else a ''last happy memory'' as well, not just her. whether its armin finally getting to see the outside world with his best friend like he always wanted to, or conny getting to know that his mother will come back to life.
That flash of Ymir with her daughters and Frtiz impaled with the spear is her acknowledging she should have let go of her love for Fritz and done the right thing. Mikasa showed her it was possible so she finally moves on.
I saw it more of the same what if scenario Mikasa went through and if Ymir did not take that spear Mikasa would have never been born and she would have never gotten the chance to meet Eren. That’s why I thought she was thanking her even if her choices in love were a nightmare.
I think it was more so that we don't really know what happened with Ymir. That perhaps she did give up but her guilt kept her bound for 2000 years. Because otherwise it would be so dumb that she "loved" Fritz. If her scenario was even remotely similar to Mikasa's, it would work but no. Are you telling me she was an extreme case of a Stockholm Syndrome? It would make the ending so much shittier.
I think the ending in the credits isn't necessarily a bad ending. Many MANY years have passed with the island doing well and living in peace, meaning Eren got his wish of having his friends happy and safe until their end. Also it's what you'd expect from a country to eventually war agaisnt another, and i think the fact that it took so many years probably makes it not have anything to do with the fact of people hating their island or something like that.
Yeah, it’s like a circle of life thing. War goes around, comes around. Very on brand for Isayama’s themes. But also, pretty relevant to the world’s state rn.
also so many people fail to realize 1 vrery important thing, the kid at the end is clearly the reincarnation of Eren, stepping into the tree to regain the power of the founder after thousands of years(based on the ending songs name its likely 20,000 years in the future) in which he will use the power of the founder to rebuild society
@@houseofaction I don't think he's the reincarnation of anyone. He has Mikasa's scarf, Eren's looks (kinda'), the same experience as Ymir finding the tree. I think he just represents the cycle.
I wasn't too fond of the Armin & Eren scene in the paths either, when I first saw it. However, I've grown to like it more now. The way I understood it was that Armin had not seen nor spoken to Eren in a long time, so when he finally got the chance to talk to Eren, I can imagine he felt so tired, exhausted and hopeless, that he was just happy that he got to see his best friend again. All Armin wanted to do all along was to speak to Eren, to comfort him, to make him change his mind. They have been best friends since day 1, and have basically been brothers. Armin then being willing to share the blame, to me, didn't mean that he put himself down to the same level as Eren. However, what I saw was an Armin who was grieving the loss of Eren and who he thought he was, because he realized how messed up the situation had gotten and since Eren was already prepared to die - Armin didn't see the point in continuing to lecture him. Armin still loved and cared for Eren, and that stayed true to the emotional intelligence tied to Armin's character, even though he didn't agree to what Eren had done. So the hug fit into the moment in my opinion. It was a goodbye-hug, where Armin was upset and grieving the loss of his best friend - in the little time he got to see him. It was the best Armin could come up with, in that situation, and all Armin wanted to do was to cling onto the past and the good memories he had with Eren. I feel like it's a very human reaction, and I can relate to it somehow - to love someone and care for them although you acknowledge and recognize the darkness in them. Sort of like leaving an abusive relationship; it still hurts because you convinced yourself it was good when it wasn't - and a part of you always lived in that lie. Armin wanted to give Eren a peaceful ending, AND he could also see the demon in him. Just like Mikasa did. I might just be too big of a fan of this show to acknowledge that the scene could have been better, but I do believe I can understand what Isayama was trying to say here. Thank you Carlie and Ange, for putting your all into this show, it means a lot to all of us who love it ❤️ (and thank you for your guitar intros, they have always made your reaction channel stand out)
Agreed. The armin eren scene I think is one that gives you the “huh?” Taste the first time you watch it but after a bit of time and once you think about it a bit it really does flow with the rest of the story and make sense. The scene has grown greatly on me in just a few days when watching for the first time it definitely stood out as out of place
I've watched it 5 times and that scene still ruins the whole episode. It makes no sense. You can still love someone despite them being a monster but there was too much agreeableness from Armin. It was very unrealistic as Ange explained.
@@ExstasinBloopers I agree! It felt really strange to me too at first, but then I realized I had forgotten all about what Eren was like before season 3, which is a long time ago. The ending fits perfectly into the story, and I think I have finally realized that Eren was like this all along, although I don't like admitting it because I really loved him as a character.
The anime doesn’t explain it, but the vision Mikasa saw was Eren going back to spend time with his friends like Mikasa and Armin. He spent years with them since time doesn’t go by in the paths. He spent his time with Mikasa, and traveled the world with Armin like they both wanted.
@@swattofficer6624 no, Ackermans can't be manipulated, it's said so in the manga/anime, the best reason will be Eren dragged Mikasa in the Paths right before he died.
I like the ending, it was a good ending for me because it was realistic, perfect way to end a masterpiece. The ending with all the wars is basically telling us that the Titans power never a problem, it was human all along. The part where Mikasa cries at the end is heartbreaking 😔
I think the reason behind ymir being able to love king fritz is because she was a slave her whole life Its like this one song were the girl thinks that the abuse shes going through is love Ymir was probably raised to believe that the king could do no wrong and that through everything he must be obeyed Its like how most kids wouldn't dare act out against their parents one cause there are consequences and two thats how they were raised, they were raised to listen to their parents that if they do something wrong they will be punished. (Dont mind any potential grammar mistakes my phone is not phoning rn😅😭🙏)
Don't talk about Ymir as if she were a teenager in love with a school shooter, she is a 13-year-old girl who was a slave all her life, why should she care about the lives of the Eldiamos if we don't know that they have done anything for her? What's more, we know that she was betrayed for freeing the pigs, causing her to be hunted, turned into a titan and abused by King Fritz. We don't know much about her childhood but it is clear that she never received any kind of affection, never. No one taught her about emotional maturity or how to have a healthy relationship, it had to be 2000 until Mikasa came to show her, what's more, in the series it is made clear that she always had a childlike mentality, during most of her story we see her as a girl. Although she was already an adult, this is a very clear symbolism in my opinion, it is that even emotionally mature people can suffer from Stockholm syndrome, why not a slave girl who never had any type of emotional education? @@t-ro6176
First word(1x1) Eren : Mikasa... Last word(Final) Mikasa: Eren.. And Eren was never free😭 The greatest anime of all time. Thank you AOT & Hajime Isayama for 10 years of witnessing this masterpiece!❤🔥 see you later AoT...😭WHAT A WILD RIDE...And one last time,Shinzou wo Sasageyo!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 43:50 Look at the bottom left corner, that worm-like creature is there😱Did Eren replace Ymir? Is Eren is next Ymir?🤔😳
I honestly could not stop sobbing during the second half. The fact that Mikasa is the one who truly frees Ymir is so poetic to me. Eren is who Ymir thought she wanted, as he’s someone who desperately desires freedom and will keep moving forward to achieve it. Mikasa is who Ymir needed, as she’s someone who is truly free and is able to fight for what she believes is right. She's Ymir's antithesis and was able to do what Ymir couldn't. It really just makes Eren's death all the more tragic and heartbreaking 💔
@@gurnoorsekhon6402 It was her twisted perception of love. I think she wanted love and attention and the only person who gave her that attention was Fritz as fucked up as that is. It explains why even though she had the titan powers to kill him and his army, she willingly choose to come back to him after obtaining her powers. I think all of her trauma and abuse affected how she perceived "love" hence why she was blindly devoted to him.
@@rei-ef6xm nah bruh that makes zero sense. It would make sense if it was a regular human but she had an infinite amount of time and she till couldn't figure out that fritz was evil? Harley Quinn was psychologically broken and even she figured out that Joker was evil in A HUMAN LIFETIME. Or are you saying she was even more mentally gone than Harley Quinn?
What an end to an amazingly written story! So many deep moments. Armin, taking some of the burden from Eren for his actions, so that he wouldn’t feel alone. Eren becoming the villian, to have his friends become the heroes. The previous titans fight back was sick! Mikasa putting her love for Eren to the side for the betterment of her friends and ultimately humanity. Bittersweet would encapsulate the feeling of this story ending. Watching it retrospect is going to be a different experience for sure.
25:50 it's not Colossal. This is Real Founding Titan. If they hadn't cut off Eren's head in the beginning, he would have transformed into this form with the Founder.
How the hell did you come to that conclusion? It looks nothing like the founding titan. We already seen what Erens titan looks like, the skeleton of it. If Erens head was attached and he transformed it would be that insanely Huge titan. If im wrong please correct me and tell me where does it state that the founding titan is the collosal titan apperance wise. Because we didnt hear that or get that CONFIRMED once
I originally thought also that eren breaking down was the first time he showed / reciprocated his feelings to Mikasa.. But it was pointed out to me that in japanese culture Eren asking mikasa what he is to her was already a confession of love.
I absolutely loved the ending. I still have some minor complaints but overall I’m very satisfied with it and couldn’t think of better ending. As bleak as it is, my personal takeaway is that even though the cycle of violence and hatred will always continue, we have to try our best to not perpetuate it and if we can’t we have to keep trying regardless of what the outcome may be. It’s been repeated throughout the series that human conflict will never cease. There’s a devil in all of us; we’re all capable of violence. So what do we do? We escape the forest and even if we can’t we have to keep trying. I believe that's what the scouts were trying to do. Because remember, they actually had a hand in furthering the Rumbling by helping Eren get to Zeke. Aot has always been about making choices that one thinks they will regret the least. They just didn’t wanna regret not stopping an omnicide. The scouts represent what the Survey Corps stands for and what, I hope, we all stand for: fighting against insurmountable odds for even the slightest chance of an unrealistic idealist world.
Great Reaction guys!! Fact that I think you guys missed was Mikasa's headaches were caused because of Ymir constantly looking into her mind as Ymir looked into Eren's memories and knew Mikasa will be the one in the future who will "Free" her from the 2000 year of slavery by killing the Founder (Eren).
I loved the painful and bittersweet ending. The only part I feel like might be a tad unclear that I wish more people got was the empathy that Armin and Mikasa as well as everyone for eren. There were parts throughout the story Eren was the bad guy in my eyes but in the end I think I came to understand that he really was a slave to his world. By the time he was old enough to realize he had been making the things happen to himself in his life he was already down the path to fulfill the future he saw and he couldn't escape it. It really was a self fulfilling future and he loved his friends so much that the only outcome that gave them a long life and ended the Titans was the one he had already seen. One my favorite and most complicated main characters ever.
@@CarlieAndAnge Eren did not send the smiling titan to kill his mother, he just prevented it from eating Berthold and his mother's death was a consequence of this action so he feels responsible for it. He needed Berthold to break the wall
@@LuisSierra42 Berthold had already broken the wall. Eren had to send Dina away from him because if Dina had eaten Bert, Armin would not have gotten the colossal titan, and if Eren's mom wasn't eaten then Eren would not have ended up being filled with so much hate and anger, which would've resulted in him not starting the rumbling, which in turn would mean Marley attacks Paradis which would end with all of Eren's friends dying. So yeah, Eren did send Dina towards his mom, because he had to (in his eyes anyways), otherwise he wouldn't be able to save the island and all of his friends.
@@theokayishgamer That makes sense, but I still think this was just a consequence of having the power of God. In the same way that people blame God for all the suffering in the world, Eren blames himself because he was put in a position where small choices would have major consequences
About the boy at the end, even if the Hallucigenia is still exist, and the boy ended up making a contact with them, there's no guarantee that he will become a Titan. Ymir fused with Hallucigenia while she was hurt and desperate, this is not the case with the boy, he clearly entering the tree with excitement and curiosity. Remember that Hallucigenia is not a Titan, it is the "source of all living matter", the Titan itself is the product of Ymir's desire and source of all living matter combined, Ymir desired to be big and strong, to be free from the world that treat her cruelly, that's giving birth to the Titan Power, ironically this wish was never been fulfilled even after she gains a God-like power.
Ymir waited 2000 years to eren and mikasa to free her,she was a slave and she didn’t know what love is ,she thought love is submission,so she continued serve the royal blood ,and when ymir visited mikasa’s head and give her those headaches.she chosen mikasa to free her and eren and she knows love is a choice not submission,she was thinking if she didn’t save king fritz but love her children more then thing would be different.
And about eren sending Dina to Carla, the way that I see it is that even eren himself doesn’t know what actions are his own and what are not anymore. In this finale he said that the past and future are all happening in his head, his mind is a mess. And he has pointed out many times in the past that he tried to do things different but what he saw in his head about the future will always happen. In a situation like this, is what is happening truly a result of his actions or were they all predetermined by something whatever it is. If a future memory of this appeared in eren’s head at the start of the first ep, then is this still a decision made by eren or was the future already predetermined and eren has to follow through? Am I even making sense? But ya the way I see the reveal is less shock factor, but more just to highlight how helpless eren really was
Great reaction, and a big thank you for taking us all on this journey! The only thing I'd like to add regarding the Eren/Mikasa love dynamic is to just mention the two pivotal scenes where Eren shows his true feelings for Mikasa. Season 2 Finale; Hannes is being eaten by the Smiling Titan, while Mikasa and Eren are sitting on the ground. Eren is screaming that nothing has changed, because he cannot transform and make a game changing save in the worst possible moment. Mikasa basically gives up in this moment and shoots her shot and thanks Eren for wrapping the scarf around her, and even goes in for a final kiss. Eren sees that she has all but given up yet he ultimately refuses for it to be their end. He pulls away from her, stands up, AND HE TELLS HER "I'll wrap that around you, as many times as you want". In that one moment, he finally understood that someone loved him, and told her just how important she was to him. Season 4 Part 2 Finale; Eren is standing looking over the refugee camp in Marley, crying, because he knows what he will do to those poor people in a not so distant future. Mikasa runs up to him and their conversation leads to him asking her what he really means to her, because it was something that really went unsaid all this time. She freezes, but ends up saying that he's family (and to Eren's ears nothing more than that) This, in my own personal opinion matches up with all of Season 1 where we see him butt heads, sometimes literally, with Mikasa because she always wants to be near him. In my reading into his character I always saw this as him not understanding that what she is showing is love and affection, while all he sees is someone trying to tell him what to do and how to live his life. When we finally get to them standing over the edge next to the camp, he once again is looking for a way for the future he saw to play out differently. And wouldn't it be great if it could be them just running off together, where nothing matters but them (which we finally saw in the final episode) The sad thing about all of this is that he goes from not fully understanding loving someone (Season 1, most of Season 2) to carrying the world on his shoulders and not having time for love (Season 3) to ultimately realising that he is just a normal dude who will one day flatten the world he thought he was fighting to reach. In that moment, and the moments before your foretold death, I do believe that the love you felt for someone else might be the last thing you hold on to.
I feel the same exact way that you do except for the way they handled Eren having his mother killed, I think that was the event that would cause what he went on to do during the rest of the series so that needed to happen. Fantastic video and I really appriciate your frankness when reacting to popular shows, many people only express what viewers want to hear instead of their actual thoughts.
eren's mom dying was necessary for eren to be part of the scout. He stated it in season 1 wherein mikasa was discouraging eren to join the squad after failing ODM gear try out while eren said that it's crazy to think he'll give up after a titan ate his mom or something along those lines.
This series was the reason I subscribed to your channel 2 years ago. Following your journey thru this anime has been amazing. So many great memories of the show and your reactions. Knowing this is the last of AoT is bittersweet
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Wow! What a ride ❤
What'd you guys think of the finale??
Awesome ending
In my opinion, the series stuck the landing. Now calling it a 'masterpiece' or 'best anime of all time' would be an overstatement I think (I did have one or two issues with the conclusion, but they're minor - certainly not "the series is ruined"-level some people make it out to be), but I do feel that AoT is going to be an influential milestone in anime culture, if it isn't already. It was a very good ride all in all.
I fell şad and happy they die happy l hope Annie and armin getmarried she poor girl l like here friend help them❤ iş sweet
Mappa outdid themselves but eren’s conclusion was terrible
ヒストリアがエレンの子供を抱いているシーンが印象的でした。
did you notice the ending credits where eren and mikasa were buried, an old man armin still visiting their graves. he was the last to die from the trio. just like when they were kids running towards the tree, he was the last one who reached the tree.
That is so fucked up 😭😭😭😭
THAT'S BRUTAL WTF 😭😭😭😭😭
@@AM17titanikr 😭😭
@@yuratchkaplisetskys3063fr bro, yams is so brutal 😭😭
So basically mikasa’s husband is second fiddle confirmed
To everyone who watched it, it’s an honour to be with you all.
Can't believe they started this in March last year and it's over. Felt just like last month I was watching them start this series
Looking forward to seeing you all again, in hell 🥲
Cheers mate
Just watched the last ep, I’m still processing the fact that it’s the end of around 13 years of journey. Started reading this when I was like 10yo so it’ll go down as one of the best piece of fiction I grew up with (absolutely loved the end, gave me code geass vibes but way more « intense » or elaborate since it involves so much more than just people)
Cheers to all!
Eren closed his eyes during entire rumbling and open them one last time to see Mikasa was perfection
eren also probably felt mikasa's kiss, because you don't immediately die after being decapitated
I think the point of Ymir choosing Mikasa was that she saw the possibility for Mikasa to do what she couldn't... kill the man she dearly loved for the good of humanity. Ymir failed humanity. She loved the king despite the horrible things he did, just as Mikasa still loved Erin despite the horrible things he did. However, Ymir allowed herself to be utilized for ill purpose by the man she loved, and didn't do what she easily could have.. end his reign of tyranny. When it came to it, she outright sacrificed her life to save his, when the world would have been much better off if she had lived and he had perished.
Mikasa succeeded where Ymir failed. When confronted headlong by her love for a man who has committed great evil, she was ultimately able to do the right thing, even though it tore her heart in two. That beautiful heartbreaking act was what allowed Ymir to finally find her peace. I think that was the major reason they put so much emphasis on the scarf at the end. Eren was basically begging Mikasa to stop loving him so she could kill him and live with it, but Mikasa flat out refused to. She loved him till the very end, despite everything, and did what she needed to even in the face of that fact. It is very fitting that she never took off the scarf, and I was happy to see her wearing it at her own funeral in the credits.
I mean... Ymir needed to be freed twice? Really?
@@Choreza thats what im saying bro. Eren freed her the first time it was a great. Why ruin that?
no just no
yup. Mikasa embodies what Ymir wishes she had the strength to do, and watching her proved to Ymir that it could've turned out differently if she had just had the strength to make a different decision and had chosen to protect her children over her abuser. Mikasa proved that Ymir could've overcome her feelings of love to do what is ultimately the right thing.
@@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord free but not in peace
To the boy who sought freedom, Goodbye. RIP Eren.
In the end, you did exterminate every last titan from this world.
This was an awesome adaptation.
Thank you Isayama,
Well done, MAPPA.
This was truly the end of an era.
Why do you wish a genocidal a rest? friend check your morals
Thanks
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Yo, i didn't even think about that, he really DID wipe out every titan in the end!
@@sunflowerphoenix2635 along with 80% of humanity LULZ
The bird was not pulling the scarf, the bird was wrapping the scarf for one last time
i wish they showed that better because i got confuse until i reviewed the scene.
@@eclips_total2215honestly I didnt get it either and also wish they portrayed that better, but if it didnt turnout well I’m just imagining it would end up looking like some disney princess thing where the animals help the princess dressup and would feel out of place lol.
Tatakaw!
Since when can a bird wrap a scarf around someone’s neck be fr
@@shinryouzenin the manga as i remember they have a separate small panel on how that bird actually did leave the scarf on her shoulder - meaning the bird wrapped it.
and also, mappa (or isayama did decide) changed a panel where Gabi and Falco are pushing Levi’s wheelchair as he was recovering. they were in the city. in here they made it more hopeful with the kids planting a tree and him giving candies to kids - to the future. a good change for me.
I loved your discussion on the eren breakdown scene. Personally it is my favorite eren scene in the whole show (and ik thats prob a crazy hot take with all of erens scenes). Eren still wanted mikasa to move on and be free ofc (as seen in the cabin scene between the two) however the breakdown shows how at his core erens a 19 year old kid with a lack of emotional intelligence who gets jealous at the idea of mikasa being with someone else. And I love how the scene happens with no one else but Armin his best friend who he feels safe exposing his true feelings too. Just so many layers to eren man.
I also like that Armin was egging him on because Eren was still keeping that cold front, but Armin knows better than that. Armin knew that might be his last conversation with Eren so he disarmed Eren’s cold front real quick now that Eren was being honest, but not even Armin expected how honest he would be
That would be cool if there was some build up to it. Felt completely out of place here, as we already saw him breakdown when talking to Ramzi in a more realistic way. (in character)
@@thelegacyofgaming2928breaking down infront of Ramzi is a very different conversation. Ramzi doesn't understand what is being said to him, eren knows that. Plus, he wasn't sharing his personal vulnerable side with Ramzi, he was sharing the guilt of the horrendous act he was going to commit. How it was breaking him. The conversation with Ramzi was about the greater scenario that the Rumbling was causing, while the conversation with Armin is about their personal lives.
Armin's isn't just his friend they are BROTHERS I'd say
@@JohnWick-ut1tjmate said "I'll join u in hell" they're BROTHERS fr.
It breaks my heart more and makes me even more depressed is that Eren first opened his eyes in the first episode after watching the nightmare and saw Mikasa, and he kept his eyes completely closed the whole time of the rumbling because it was hard on him to watch, yet only opened it to see Mikasa’s face for the last time before dying!
I can’t believe this masterpiece has ended T.T I’ve been watching anime since 2014 and PERSONALLY there is honestly NO other show that has or could have topped AoT for me. There were great shows but NOTHING like this one. THE PERFECT ENDING FOR THE PERFECT MASTERPIECE IN THE HISTORY OF TV.
I actually really liked Eren and Armin's conversation. For starters, it allowed us to hear from Eren himself his motivations, what he was going through mentally with past and future intertwined and we could understand that the timeline is cyclical so every atrocious thing in his life HAD to happen and he HAD to make them happen which makes everything so much more tragic for him. We also got to finally see Eren's vulnerable side that he could only let out in front of his best friend in the entire world. He finally broke and was able to reveal his most selfish feelings, his love for Mikasa and his deepest wish which is to live alongside her and his friends. It was a great way for US to say goodbye to Eren with him being his most authentic self. Finally, what Armin meant with everything being his fault is that he was always way too naive, he made Eren believe that everything outside the wall was flowers and rainbows and that killing the titans would be the key to forever happiness when that was impossible. Even with all his cunning and intelligence and after seeing the destructive nature of humans inside the walls he still never understood that war is inevitable. I interpret it as Armin feeling responsible for killing Eren's hope and dreams because he created them in the first place. Plus, he did make many questionable decisions during the show, everyone did, so yeah... "hell" it is for all of them 😂.
As for Eren never showing interest in Mikasa, I think that it's not true. He never realized his feelings until he was older I think, but we as the audience got moments from his perspective that made us realize that they are a romantic pairing. If we focus solely on Eren showing interest, we have that soft moment during ep1 of season two (i think, might be another), when he's waking up from his injury with Mikasa by his side, everything is pretty and fuzzy, Mikasa looks all ethereal, they focus on the purple flowers which are their symbol, and he looks at her all intrigued like realizing something until they get interrupted. We have the iconic "i'll wrap that scarf as many times as you want to" scene, where Mikasa again looks all ethereal and surreal from his perspective and he punches a fucking titan as a last resort. And many long ass stares during those first three seasons. I think that during those years he didn't know about his own feelings, he realized them as they grew, as he realized what he was going to do, when he realized that she loved him based on those future memories. But he never really believed that she could love him, that's why he even asks Zeke if it has anything to do with her Ackerman bloodline. Their romantic plot was always very subtle and in the background. But Isayama said that he knew the ending from the start and he was unable to alter the storyline, so them confessing earlier or being together would've been impossible because Mikasa might've never found the strength to kill him, or the cabin alternate reality would've happen in which everyone would've died. They are a tragic love story, always an "almost", always something that never could've happened.
For me I feel he "liked" her since the day they met. Since the obvious part was that he was blushing when he first met her and when he wrapped the scarf around her for the first time. They also did the cliche "embarassed" young boy thing that every anime does when they do something for their crush the first time.
Eren loved his mom more than anyone(friends and island). It was so out of character for eren to kill his mom even if it saves armin and mikasa.
@@shukurenaieditz2980 eren didn't actually kill her, but he was the one who moved the titan towards her to save bertholdt so everything can play out the same. It shows us that he really is a slave and couldn't change anything to get to this outcome
@@districtskz bullshit
@@Donovan_Berserk It really isnt. If he had just given up on his form of "Freedom" aka What he was "drunk" on (Refer to Kenny's quote), then everything would've turned out differently. But he refused to do so and since the finale basically confirmed that the theory/philosophy of Deterministic Reality is 100% true in this story, it meant no matter what he did it would all eventually lead to the same major outcomes.
Which if you think about Isayama is the "god" that created a Deterministic Reality due to him pre-planning the major events to the conclusion since the near start.
Honestly the way I saw the Armin/Eren scene it's Armin doing a similar thing for Eren than Levi did for Erwin right before his final charge. He's taking some of the burden off of him and tries to comfort a friend who's done something terrible that noone, not even Eren himself could forgive him for and I really liked that. That scene really hit me and then the one right after where he sees Mikasa with Eren's head had me sobbing for the rest of the episode.
Also also why couldn't Mikasa and Eren just have their moment, she kisses him and THEN she still does what she had to do.
I think Eren must have felt so alone the entire time when he was stuck in the cyclical future/past, Armin also wanted to reassure him they would see each other again and he wouldn't be all alone anymore.
“My boy Jean :(“
“No disrespect Connie, it is what it is” absolutely made me spit my water out 😂😂😂😂😂
Ong shii was funny
Bec him and sasha was expected to 💀 like in season 2.
@Hikaru.Kamiki L take. Childish.
@Hikaru.KamikiL take
@Hikaru.Kamiki If you ever watched aot properly you would have knows Eren was always selfish and childish, he always wanted best for his friends (like when there was choice bw Erwin and Armin),also at the end there were his raw emotions which we saw,he always cared for Mikasa and obviously I too would not want my loved ones to forget me anytime soon if God forbid anything happens.For Eren as we saw in the alternate reality where he spent his rest years with Mikasa if he would have not started rumbling still the future would be the same with Marley being the ones to kill everyone in Paradis Island ,so there were only 2 choices and we know what Eren chose ,he acted selfish and decided to become the villain to protect his friends and people he cared for. Also please don't copy paste hate comments everywhere just because you didn't get your happy ending. This was the best and most realistic ending we got and it was fabulous. Just try creating a story yourself ,I bet you'll not be able to make it half as good. Just let the man be happy and accept the ending he created?
L TAKE KID , GO THINK OF A BETTER REASON TO HATE
Mikasa shows Ymir that even if you love a person, when you need to stand up to him, you do it.
Ymir refuses to go back to the Coordinates to make any more titans and moves on, and the titan power ends.
For those that still don't understand the last 1/3: they were memories that Eren had taken the time to build and bury inside of each one of his friends' heads at different points in time when he was still alive, by short visits every time. Eren would explain to them what he must do and why. They are like his letters left to them, but in a different form. But every time he locked those memories after the visits, to only be unlocked after he died. His power had limited duration so if he had more to say, he would need to do multiple visits. That's why Armin looked differently in each segments because Eren visited him when Armin was at different ages; the last memory segment was buried in Armin head when he was on the ship with Annie. Once Eren died, all those memories were unlocked and all of a sudden they all understood Eren's true intentions.
The middle scene where Eren and Mikasa spent time together was Eren showing Mikasa the alternative future if she had just answered differently when Eren asked her what she thought of him, back towards the end of S4 in the camp. Mikasa refused to stay in that scene and forget him, and woke up when Eren's power ran out.
The exchange with Armin: Part of Eren's guilt was for wielding the power but not being smart and therefore he could not imagine any better solutions that could result in a better future than killing 80% of humanity. In a way he was saying if he were any smarter, if the power had been vested in someone smarter like Armin, perhaps the destined future would be better - and he blames himself. Armin essentially said to Eren that he didn't need to bear all the guilt alone, that Armin is willing to share the burden, responsibilities and consequences with him, that he will be happy to spend the rest of eternity in hell together with Eren. They are facing everything together, Eren no longer needs to be alone, even in hell; it's an ultra warm gesture from Armin.
At the end, Eren did save most of his friends and everyone he knew on Paradis island. History did eventually repeat itself and Paradis still met its end, but that's hundreds of years later and not relevant to anyone he knew.
Yeah there are a lot of details buried that are easy to miss if you just watch this once. If you do a second or third watch, you will see a lot of details. Down to little ones such as Ylena pausing and getting teary eyes because the crate she was about to handle happened to contain baseballs, which reminded her of Zeke.
Honestly sounds like your headcannon bro
@@t-ro6176 Just read the manga. These points are explained a lot better there. Things here, even the animation, is just rushed. Half of it looks like colored in manga with 30% of the words spoken that were in the actual manga. Honestly the music and action scenes were the only good parts because the action was a bit confusing in the manga, but everything else totally needed more budget in this finale.
I'm pretty sure the convo with Armin was all at the same time. Young Armin knows all the future events, you can argue "Eren gave him future memories then erased them" but nothing really supports that. The conversation also flows from one age scene to the next, and feels more like one long talk than like 5 separate ones. It was just a stylistic choice
NO way you just said this needed more budget. Ungrateful ahh anime fans bro@@LycanFerret
@@prod3clipsPeople really do be taking the experiences given to us for granted and it's sad, deadass. Any of our favorite shows could end up like Promised Neverland season 2 but nevertheless people will find a way to whine and moan. I really hope dude was trolling smh.
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Ange I totally get your point except that Eren showed that side and said those sentences only to Armin, he knew Mikasa wouldn’t know them unless Armin says anything that’s why he told him “don’t tell that to Mikasa”. If he was bounding her to himself (which is against his principal of freedom) he wouldn’t have told her to forget all about him when he’s dead. He’s freeing her from his love yet confesses to Armin how hard that would be for and how he wished it wouldn’t happen. He’s at the verge of death and he’s pouring everything in his heart to his brother so of course he would look out of his usual character if you know what I mean
All very good points. I just think the dialogue was a bit abrasive to be honest. I understand why he pushed her away in Season 4, but it would’ve been nice to have seen him gush over her a few times during Seasons 1-3 so that a moment like this didn’t come as such a shock.
@@CarlieAndAnge yeah i totally get that, it’s the same for Annie and Armin. It was sudden so not all could have accepted it. Totally get that but to me at least (maybe because I’m an emotional person) I found even the little gestures (like when he told her “I’ll wrap that scarf around you as many times as you want”) and the way he was forcibly pushing her away at the table scene were all hints, but I thought that was my way of understanding those scenes it wasn’t obvious for all of us so I get you
I agree with you, its a bit easy to say its not in character, it was 100% in character, he just shut off everything emotionally when he actually went for it for his goal. That one moment was the last time he threw everything emotionally towards his friend before shutting it off. I did not think it was weird at all, he is just a kid who gotten big mental issues, he saw everything all at once, no normal human would stay sane like that.
Also there are alot of relationships that are completely abusive but the abused person still loves the other person, its weird it happens, but its not out of the norm.
@@faithkim8503 I don't think Annie and Armin hapenned all of the sudden (neither with Eren and Mikasa, and I'm not a shiper of them), I just think their moments were made in a sense that in the surface they seem simple so not that relevant, but that speak volumes in the lows. People can look at their scenes and just say "she saved him there" or "he told her she's a nice person here" and move on and don't thhink about it twice so it doesn't look important or like something beyond (and then we didn't have her for a long time) and with time they forget a lot so they lose all the meaning in those scenes, that are deep ones. Feel like something similar happens with Eren and Mikasa, but more than missing them for a long time like with Armin and Annie, as Eren is the MC his plots and arcs are really busy, so I feel like is way easier to focus on another 20 different things that are going on with him rather than in some interactions that in the surpace can seem simple and not all that relevant, even when they are.
@@CarlieAndAngeHim gushing over her at any point would've been weird, i think this scene is so good because of the fact that he didn't. People bottle things up all the time, and erens an emotionally stunted teen that's had plenty of other shit on his mind since he was a boy
I'll never get over how pretty Mikasa looks from Eren's POV.. She really represented the beauty in Eren's cruel world.. also Eren didn’t fully close his eyes until he got one more look of Mikasa.. He didn’t care about anything else in this moment but her. She truly was the apple of his eye 🥲😭
What even more sad was the last song's sung by mikasa's VA. Basically mikasa uttering those words for him :(
it was sung by both mikasa's and erens va. not from a single perspective but from both of their perspectives. they both speak about each other in the song@@Lamiya-y-111
omg 💯
And her smile was so beautiful. Reminded me of how she looked at Eren right before he used his "scream"
Obviously, Mikasa was his sister.
No @@asuraspath2262
The kiss of death. The kiss of love. The kiss of freedom. I found the kiss quite beautifully dark actually
Yeah the world is cruel but she still loves him
That's because you people never understood the story. The kiss was garbage.
AHahahahahahah, you are funny)@@asuraspath2262
freedom? Really?
About Eren killing his mom. Eren stated that he tried to change the future so so many times and with no avail. The point of the reveal was not just that Bertolt needed to live but that his mom HAD to be eaten by that titan to start Eren on his quest for revenge in the first place. If that never happened, no motivation for Eren, no rumbling, his whole plan wouldve been ruined and it was impossible for him to change it in the first place. It’s important to remember AOT has a fixed timeline which means nothing about what has happened can change, as Eren said it’s the past and future all at once. Hope this helps!
yup it wasnt like eren made her mum get eaten just to save bertholdt. that wouldve been rubbish writing and so so random.
@@ilsrzz135❤wew
Imo I think it's because of the founder's powers and how it's connected to every eldian that he feels responsible somehow. I dont think he had the power to influence random titans of the past.
Just moments before he said that he admits that his head is messed up because of his powers, this is just an extension of that statement imo.
they didn't have to add that in, all it did was contradict his previous statements
I mean he said himself the main reason he wanted the rumbling is because he wanted to see that view thst he himself called the view of freedom. His main reason wasn’t mikasa or Armin. He says he is an idiot. He himself said he used the both of them as an excuse. „Child of the evil“ wasn’t just random. He told Armin that no matter what, giving him such powers would never be good. Obviously Eren has been different than other kids. Many people just tend to deny stated facts because he grew up in front of our eyes. We have seen Eren who would cry, laugh be passionate and saves others. But if the main protagonist was someone else that grew up in front of our eyes and we sympathize with like we did with Eren and then eren would do this exact thing but coming from outside the walls, the enemy side, would be still defend this enemy?
I'm glad that Eren and Armin could have an honest conversation finally.😭
(Not only Armin though.)
I kinda wish we would've seen some of the others too, especially Reiner & Annie.
"I want her to pine after me for 10 years at least!" (Ends up having a child with Jean) 😂😂😂😂
@@thelegacyofgaming2928, Wait how do you know it's Jean?
@@thelegacyofgaming2928its not jean lmao its a random. Cause the hair is blonde and jean is not blonde
@khaii1955 What? I saw the hair was brown like Jean's.
Mikasa crying under the tree, and seeing "the end" broke me in a way words cant express it, im thankful to be alive and see this beautiful anime ending but im so heart broken #thankyouisayama, #thankyouwit ,#thankyoumappa . It was a wonderful journey
#thankyouhiroyukisawano #thankyoukohtayamamoto
I would've lost it if they showed her carrying Eren's head to the tree properly this time, like in the Part 3 outro, which is now confirmed to be exactly that. :(
Fun fact regarding Ange’s thoughts about Eren never showing interest in Mikasa like that. Isayama was going to have them kiss in the scene where Mikasa is saying “thank you” to Eren for everything, after Hannes died (season 2, ep 12). But Isayama was too shy and felt weird about drawing them kissing 😂 Either way, that moment was definitely meant to be a hint at their romantic feelings for each other.
Doesn’t change the fact that Eren never showed interest for Mikasa.
@@Anggliohe literally made it clear that he never wanted Mikasa to be with another man, crying about how it hurts to even think of that idea and telling Armin that he wants her to think of only him
@@megarayquaza9054In the literal last 20 minutes of the story. Wow, Isayama truly is a master at his craft.
@@megarayquaza9054 yeah at the fucking end of the series, in other words a retcon
@@Angglio Could be some things I'm missing or forgetting but from what I can gather,
During his younger years he's just dense and didn't really comprehend Mikasa's feelings for him, there were moments where Eren showed discomfort at being treated like a kid/brother by Mikasa, who kinda took on the role of Carla to both Armin and Eren. One time you can see a slight hint is when he blushes when wrapping the scarf around her.
During the 104th training arc, it's 50/50 whether he showed it but you CAN find hints if you want. Like how he wanted to grow stronger to protect her but realized it was the opposite and Mikasa protects him instead and felt shot down because he perceived Mikasa treating him like a kid but didn't realize it was out of love.
I think the first hint or beginning of feelings could've been developed when Mikasa gave him those words of comfort in the S2 finale. Plus, throughout the story Eren has been quite preoccupied with other horrible shit to have even begun entertaining romantic feelings.
After this scene in s2 finale, they both acted much more kinder/respectable towards each other, especially during the retake of shiganshina part. And shortly after, his mind forever got blasted by the memories and learning about the curse of ymir, etc, and started distancing himself and spiraling.
And like I said, Eren was a little dense in the romantic department, couldn't understand why Mikasa interrupted Eren and Historia's conversation, but Historia clocked in immediately that she was a little jealous. And by the time Eren had gained more maturity and probably started developing more solidified feelings, he was already cursed with the memories of the future and begun going down the path where he basically isolated himself and became a slave to freedom. The only time he probably almost caved was during their conversation while looking upon the refugee camp in season 4 part 2 finale I think. Where he was looking for a way out through Mikasa, who unfortunately gave the answer that he has always seen through the memories, confirming the unbending fate that he has to go through with.
"Mikasa, what am I to you?" He asked as he was desperately looking for a way out, unsure of what Mikasa thinks of him, family, someone who saved her?
Sure, you can call it a cheap retcon or whatever but Eren as a character wouldn't really be showing his romantic interest like that, especially if it developed fully during his older years. That's why people say it looked weird when he started acting 'pathetic' while talking to Armin but that was really the only chance he had to be completely vulnerable and allow himself to be a normal person. He's still a kid deep down who got cursed with a horrible burden and never got to be normal.
If Carla didn't die in the first episode by Dina, every single thing in the story would be soooo different.
Just imagine them running together, Carla as we all know is very strict, she would tell Eren to stay as close to her and not to do anything. Eren would definetily not get as close as traumized as he was. Even if by ANY chanse Grisha still gives Eren his power, Eren obviously forgets it, still wants to become a scout, Carla would rather die then let Eren do it. So imagine if Eren never became a scout.
Bertholdt destroys the wall (again in episode 4), the wall DOESEN'T get sealed. They shrunk little by little untill they all just die.
It definetly isn't for shock value, and if it wasn't as it was, nothing of this would've happened.
No, you are missing the argument. Thing is Eren killing his mom does not make sense. It makes the story collapse. From the third act in the first episode it was made clear eren wanted to be a scout. The motivation was never based solely on his mom dying. The scene of Eren seeing the scouts coming from a mission, Eren making his Argument to his dad and Mom. This is further emphasis in season 4 even, zeke seeing that it was not his father's brain washing that turned Eren into who he is, from the day he was born, he wanted freedom. And this is seen clearly when Eren was protecting Mikasa from her kidnapers, he saw them taking someone else's freedom and took theirs in return. Eren was ,without his mother dying ,going to be a fighter, join the scouts. This scene breaks the f*cking story. How the f is he controling that titan, and if he could just do that then why not prevent all the other things, prevent the world ending maybe. That scene admits that he could have controlled the titans and prevented everything from the beginning.Then there would be not fu*king story innit. They could have just excused that scene.
@@SADDKidd-ky9qb hmm i never said Eren wouldn't want to become a scout, it was obvious from the very first episode. All i'm saying is that Carla would NEVER let him become one.
Not really, Eren told Armin he tried different scenarios with his ability but the future never changed.
@@SADDKidd-ky9qb Because the story is based on the philosophy of Determinism.
Despite any lil changes to get from Point A to B to C, it would still lead to the same outcome.
Eren being "drunk" on his view of Freedom is one of the major points within such a reality that can't be altered.
His mothers death during the fall of Shinganshina is also a Determined outcome.
Which yes I would agree he would still continue to pursue the goal of joining the Scouts, it was his mothers death that was a catalyst for future major events that needed to happen; Like the finale of S2 for example.
Also if u recall Dina making a vow/will to find Grisha, then it wouldn't be too unlikely that Eren showed memories of Grisha to lead her towards the house.
So yes Eren is correct that he was a "Slave to Freedom" but he was also aware that they live in a reality where "Free Will" inherently doesn't exist in a Deterministic Reality. He was just cursed with the ability to find out that it exists and became desperate to change it but he couldn't.
@@Daigon95 absolutely. everything was destined to happen from the very beginning and i feel so bad for eren for witnessing all of this and suffering just because he was just born into this world. truly truly tragic story that many people would misunderstood
I realized that when Eren says that he is a slave to freedom, it actually makes A LOT of sense because remember when Kruger was telling Grisha about the Attack Titan, he said that this titan has always pursued freedom whatever generation it has found itself in. Eren also said that his head is messed up from not knowing what the past or future is and that's because of the Attack Titan's ability. So basically, all this time, Eren as an individual was a slave to the Attack Titan's pursuit of freedom. I believe that's the reason that Eren could never deviate from the path he had already seen for himself (Eg: saving that middle eastern kid in the market). Probably that's why he was banking upon Mikasa to make a different choice so that a deviation could happen. But Mikasa made her choices and while that gave no happiness to her and Eren, it did free Ymir and eradicate Titan Power, which was the show's ultimate objective.
Regarding how Eren transformed into a colossal, well, all titans are created by Ymir, right? The Founder created him into a colossal even though she wasn't a part of him in the moment, I think.
The amount of Foreshadowing in AOT is insane. Remember Kenny telling Levi that everyone was slave to something. Eren who was pursuing Freedom, in the end became a slave to freedom.
But, as I understand it, this phrase is only in the anime, if true, then I'm glad that they added it
If I'm correct, the attack titan's ability was to only see into the memories of future inheritors. The idea of it always "striving for freedom" was something Eren planted in all the memories of the past inheritors so all the events preceeding would lead to the moment Grisha stole the founding from Freida.
@@NubK4the question I still got was, because Eren also had Grisha’s memories when he was born and named by his father and said “you are free”, I wonder when he got that cause he could not even explain he said it was there all along like he longed for freedom. And because only Mikasa had that love at par with Ymir, she chose Eren. My head hurts.
The scene where we see Mikasa and Eren on that "different" timeline is actually the prologue to the timeline we are in (the Manga actually starts with some of these scneses). Think of it like this - Eren is in the paths and he tells Armin that he tried over and over but in the end it always comes to that one future he saw in the memories. The prologue we see actually happened, we see Eren in the end there in the prologue sitting there and dying since his last 4 years are over (the tian marks indicating that) - "See you later Eren" says Mikasa and then Eren basically dies in that one and in the next scene our actual story begins where Eren wakes up on that tree he likes so much takin naps. This story we are in is the one where it happens how Eren sees in his future memories - he literally says he had to let Bertold live so he moved Dina-Titan to his mum, indicating that if he had not done that Bertold would have been eaten and/maybe his mother never got eaten etc. etc. meaning that would be another failed timeline (I am almost sure he also had this timeline going). Remember eren is in the paths with the full Founders power, that's why he said to Armin he tried and tried but in the end it's this one story that needs to happen basically.
Ange KILLED it with those op melodies 🔥🔥🔥
SICKEST INTRO. Ange you're an absolute unit.
I think why Armin is taking part of accountability by saying "see you in hell" was also because when they infiltrated the Marley in season 4, Armin transformed into his colossal form and killed many innocent people including children. So maybe (in my honest opinon) he felt a little bit responsible about this killings as well. I dont know , thats just how i understood it.
Its also a good call back when Berthoto said
" somebody has to be the one to stain their hands with blood"
Ps Sorry for my english😅
Armin didn't want Eren to carry this burden of the world destruction alone. He wanted to share that burden. He didn't want to leave it all to Eren.
It's a legit complaint tho
Ishiyama really wanted Armin/Mikasa to simp for Eren eternally and often forgot there are times they SHOULD disagree. Hard to have a more poignant example than your bro murdering 80%of people
And they even toned it down from the manga where Armon downright praised Eren
That's why Armin was asked straight up about Mikasa while the rumbling was happening and 80% is getting killed. Armin is not even a good friend for hugging Eren for what he did. Armin, what a hypocrite you are!
34:27 He's human! I think that's the importance of his words. You can acknowledge how much you want to hold on to someone while fully understanding you need to let them go. He told his brother how far his feelings for her went but he told her exactly what she needed to hear, which was that ultimately she needed to move on and be free. He went as far as to say she should forget him. I think that differentiation is important.
I think the problem a lot of people have with the ending is the fact that Eldia is attacked in the future due to Eren not completing 100% of the Rumbling. However, the author’s intent was to demonstrate that no matter what, humanity will always fight against each other. Hypothetically speaking, even if Eren did complete the Rumbiling and only Eldians exist, they would eventually find a reason to fight in a long enough timeline. The case that Eldians fighting Eldians is better than the world fighting Eldians makes no sense. At the end of the day, people will always fight people regardless of their shared or unshared blood/ancestry. The point of Attack on Titan is to show the viewers that humanity will always fight itself - whether it be by difference of race or not. The world is cruel and no Rumbiling could ever stop human hate from propagating itself again in the future. We can see it with our world today, there’s been two world wars already and the fighting still continues.
Yep, this will always be true as long as there are people in this world
It is also crazy that people assume this makes the entire conflict "pointless". Eren's one true goal is to let his friends live in a titan-free world and love long happy lives. Judging by how far civilization got before ultimately destroying itself was just proof that he did achieve this peace. Heck, even in our reality such a long standing freedom and peace has never existed.
私は航空機がビルに衝突するシーンだけはやめて欲しかった。
アメリカの方が怒っていないか不安です。他の表現方法もできたと思うのです。
@@kitu_nekoI don't think that's a problem, Americans have pretty much moved on from that. I only see jokes from it nowadays.
I occasionally browse the reddit and the problems seem to be cause from the manga being rushed. There are a lot of unanswered questions and plot holes. People were saying he should've taken a break to properly plan out everything after the beach. I think the writer wrote himself into a corner and didn't know how to tie up loose ends, he was and still is quite young so he's not at the level of an expert writer. Though I don't mind the ending much and think it's the best we got considering the circumstances.
One thing that first bugged me about this episode was how Eren was portrayed acting in a childish state by Isayama. The scene where he confesses about Mikasa was controversial and memed at when the manga chapter was released.
Yet Isayama never changed his stance on that scene. He even defended it and said he liked it. He could have removed it from the anime but he chose not to.
I finally came to understand that it is not only to lift the facade that Eren had portrayed but also because he understood that many fans had begun to like and support that facade of Eren and the idea of complete Genocide that Eren seemed to be devoted to.
He wanted to tear apart that false image. That's why he made the confession so raw. He wanted it to hit. And it did hit.
That scene recieved so much hate in the manga yet it was doubled down on in the anime 😂
I think that conversation was more like between 2 besties who are pouring their heart out without any filters because all that time he had to act in a way that's the only moment he was himself.
@@sarveshsinha1530 agreed
So basically he made eren’s character on accident
Eren is also a child, teenager and adult all that the same time due to the founder + memories of the future. So a childish outburst makes sense
@@sarveshsinha1530exactly. I think the original manga script and the translation caused it to not land as hard, but the anime changes nailed it.
Personally, I loved this ending. I was a bit scared I wouldn't, but I was happy I did. I can really see how Mikasa kissing Eren's severed head there is super risky and could be very hit or miss. I was thinking of all the moments throughout the show where Mikasa shows how much she loves Eren, and I always felt like Eren loved her, too. So, it was so incredibly sad and beautiful at the same time that she finally kissed him, but never got to do it when he was alive. I was really happy to see Eren finally admit that he loves her in that memory as well.
There's a good chance eren felt her kiss before passing on since you don't immediately die after being decapitated
The ending has a strong meaning. Eren eradicated the powers of the Titan curse to lift the rage against Eldians but even though he can’t stop war. Its like modern times. War never ends but its possible to live in peace and thats what Eren wanted for Mikasa, Armin and all his friends.
The boy with the dog shows that it will unfortunately repeat again.
Thats what I love about attack on titan, its violently honest but it shows the real meaning of living in peace.
ass ending
@@Donovan_Berserkcry more
How exactly does the boy with the dog show that it will repeat again?
@@gazelle_diamond9768 look carefully at the tree which the boy with the dog visited. Its the same one under which ymir found the parasite thing which gave her the original titan powers
@@iamshadow5340 I am aware, what is your point?
The reason why mikasa had to be a "slave of eren" was because she had to parallel Ymir's love enslavement of King Fritz. Except Mikasa broke the cycle by killing the person she most loved. Which also inspired Ymir to let go as well. So Mikasa is actually tougher than most people think. Imagine having to kill a person you are so obsessively in love with? Imagine killing the person you are in love with right now. Mikasa is more independent than one might think. And thats the point of her character. She is the change that needs to occur, and she did it.
However, the narrative drawback to this setup is that Mikasa's individual character writing suffered as a result of being a "slave to Eren." Her character just revolved a little too much around him throughout the series, she didn't have enough outside of that. That's the price the story paid for insisting on this route with the Ymir parallel. I don't think Mikasa is all bad, just think the story could've handled her better.
@@brendanlee369 but that's not only just a set up, it's literally one of the main story lines of aot. In fact, aot was inspired by a love story. This story is a love story. That's the point for mikasa's character. Anything else would've ruined it or have been unnecessary/redundant/irrelevant. The only reason why people criticize it is because the general audience doesn't like to see a women obsessively in love with a man because it's sexist or politically incorrect now. You can say what you criticized on mikasa to any other character. "Guts is just a depressed maniac" "Johan is just a psychopath". You're never going to find the complexity of a character if all you do is simplify it because you didn't like what the character centered on. The point of her character was exactly what we got and was planned before the manga even started. Her character is purposefully flawed to be so.
My point is that if you take away her obsession, half the story is gone.
@@g_g... Uh no, I wouldn't say that about Guts because he has plenty of other complex aspects and relationships outside his romance with Casca... you're the one simplifying that. Dunno enough about Johan.
We have like over 4 seasons worth of story content here, I expect stronger individual writing for one of the most core characters. Mikasa can still love Eren deeply, doesn't mean she can't have other interesting things going on with her, especially when Eren's not around. "Half the story is gone" is a hell of an exaggeration. And anyway, this Ymir reveal/parallel still came in last minute and I think the execution wasn't the best. Like I dunno, maybe portray King Fritz as less comically evil and more nuanced like how Isayama treats morality in his other characters. Even abusers tend to have some "good" moments that keep the abused emotionally trapped and conflicted, that's why it's a cycle. Eren even used "aishiteru" (in Japanese, basically the highest form of love) to describe Ymir's feelings, which I find pretty distasteful. Eren was in no position to identify something that deep.
As for the parallel, I don't think it was absolutely necessary to frame it like Mikasa was the sole answer here. Armin said Ymir was "seeking connection", that she was "searching for something from us". What she observed in the Paths during the conversation between Armin and Zeke, the revival of fallen characters, past Titans becoming allies, and just in general everyone's efforts in fighting together, should've also been part of the answer with ending the Titan curse, imo. Mikasa would just be the final piece, but you can love someone without having your character sacrificed. All of these things together, not just Mikasa, would affect Ymir.
Everytime I think I should come back for the last season I read shit like this and remember how bad it got. A dragged out extremely top heavy narrative that relies on lengthy exposition. I think it rven struggles keeping up with itself and just becomes a lore fountain at times
@@brendanlee369 you clearly still don't understand what I'm saying.
This story line, of mikasa being like that, although seemingly less relevant, is technically the point of the story. The only reason it doesn't seem that way is because it is overshadowed by its other, more noticeable, aspects. Aot is founded by this story in specific. And you're dismissing it as unimportant or just not enough.
I'll ask you this. If you were really analyzing this in this objectively, then why are you not criticizing a bunch of other characters like Levi for being how he is? He is extremely similar to Mikasa. The main difference being the idea and subject. The problem is that you're dismissing the complexity of a character simply because it refers to a subject you dislike. Because if you were actually objectively arguing, you would've held other characters to the same regard as Mikasa. But clearly, they're all complicated in some way. Including Mikasa. You just gotta pay attention to detail.
You probably: didn't read the full manga, didn't watch the OVAs and you are being biased.
Man I’m glad Eren acted the way he did and admitted he didn’t wanna die it showed how human he was after all you’d think having the burden of causing the rumbling would be heavy…
Except it is completely out of character for Eren. he knew that he was going to die years ago and had accepted the fact
@@global_dimming no he was just expressing himself he’s only 19 here too you forget this…
@@global_dimming also I can like my own comment too bud
@@global_dimming Eren was under a lot of stress, any human being would break down at some point because of it
Not really. Accepting the fact doesn't mean you won't be affected. Could be he is just holding it all in
From the beginning till the end, we know Eren to be emotional but when he saw the future, he became cold. It made sense that he'd break down and let his real feelings out to his best friend.
@@global_dimming
Many people have misunderstood Eren's ultimate goal as the salvation of all humanity, which has led to a misconception that his efforts were ultimately in vain. In reality, Eren's sole wish (after knowing that humanity live outside the wall) was to ensure that Mikasa, Armin, and their companions could lead peaceful lives during their lifetime. From this perspective, his goal was indeed fulfilled, and his existence and effort was far from meaningless (tho not necessarily morally justifiable). They had the opportunity to have families and pass away peacefully long before the war resurfaced 20,000 years later (the exact time is hinted in the final song). This concept mirrors the profound conversation between Armin and Zeke about the meaning of life. If life were merely about procreation and death, it might seem pointless. However, the truth lies in the memories created during one's lifetime, which give life its value and offer a reason to persist, regardless of how insignificant those memories may appear. This perspective imbues the seemingly futile cycle of life struggle with profound meaning.
Nonetheless, it's important to acknowledge that the ending has its flaws, particularly in the way the story is structured, the pacing, and the plot's progression. These issues were present in the manga and have carried over into this anime adaptation. Nevertheless, I still find it to be a satisfactory conclusion to this amazing series.
For most parts I like the ending but still, Eren should have known better... he trusted Armin on "intelligent" debates and conflict solution basically most of his life and Armins idea of showing a part of the rumbling to destroy the Army of the Alliance would have been the better choice. I don't understand why Eren didnt take this route. No one would have died unnecessarily like Hange and Sasha (who he also wanted to have a long life) and paradise island would have been protected at least for the rest of their lifetime.
The only thing I can think of is that Eren knew he would die in the next 4 years and he wouldnt want to leave the choices afterwards to chance... but still...
He said that he planned to stop the cycle by burring civilization. His main goal was to save his friends, but he did stupidly believe burring civilization would stop the cycle.
Eren's character really contradicted himself through out the seasons. First his motivation was him being born into this world and wanting freedom from living like cattle > then he told Zeke it's all for his friends > then he told Ramzi, it's because of Armin's book and the disappointment from the sights he expected > and in the end he says he doesn't know why he did it, probably cuz he's and idiot with power.
That's just bad writing for me
@@evanvalenti5051 but he already knew he was only going to destroy 80% of life before he would be stopped by his friends... so destroying all civilization could not have been a side goal.
@@hubachecka because he couldn't take that route. People seem to think that Eren planned everything but in the end it was all fate. Eren specifically says he tried to change things but it always ended up the same. Eren was never free, he was always puppeteered. He didn't want to send the titan to his mum but he had to, it couldn't be changed. Eren done the best he could with the outcome that was fated with, resulting in his friends living for years without conflict until old age took them.
Hello Carlie and Ange! You probably won't read this since you finished this series months ago but I just watched the final episode last night and wanted to tell you that everytime I watched an episode I would come to your channel and watch your reactions since I love them so much! It was so entertaining to watch everything again with you guys, and even though I resumed watching AOT just now (I actually started watching when it first aired years ago but lost track of it) and you already finished it, I felt like you guys accompanied me on my own journey with this magnificent story. It took me 3 hours to actually finish the episode because I was rewinding and pausing all the time cause I had to take little breaks to bawl my eyes out (I did it throughout the whole episode though). This left me with a life crisis even after a day of finishing it and still can't get over the emotional rollercoaster that it was to watch this specials. Just wanted to thank you guys for your reactions and discussions, it was awesome to watch you break down the episodes and to hear your theories. Ange, your covers for the intros were AMAZING, and your Op medley tribute made me emotional all over again, it was fantastic. As I said before, it felt like a warm and fun reunion with friends sharing the love for this series all together. Can't help but say thank you again (: Love you guys ♥
PS 1: 54:58 Mikasa didn't "got back" her memories with Eren in the cabin, he just visited her before he got killed because she's an Ackerman, and remember that the Ackermans are immune to the founding titan's power of erasing memories, also to the power of turning them into titans, that's why Levi tells Pieck that they are the only ones that could still stop Eren. If he visited her before like he did with Armin he wouldn't be able to erase her memories. It's different with Armin because he's just a normal eldian, so Eren could tell him everything, erase his memories of those conversations and return them to him at the end, just like he said he would do (it's crazy to think that Armin "knew" everything from the start but couldn't remember). I wonder if he visited Levi at the end as well as he did with Mikasa, or he just visited his friends before as he did with Armin. Did Annie get a visit? Historia? It would be really interesting to see the visits as special chapters of the manga and eventually as animated OVAs.
PS 2: 1:02:13 About the boy and his dog going into that tree implying that he's about to encounter a creature similar to the one that gave Ymir her powers, if you pay attention (and Carlie actually pointed it out), at 20:43 there's a shot where a lot of titans are running on Eren's spine and one of them looks just like a dog. That sparks a lot of questions..
Hey legend! Thanks so much for such a lovely message. We can look at all of the AoT comments now because we cant get spoilers 😆 Glad you could watch along with us. It was definitely a memorable series. Hopefully they expand it later down the track! ❤️❤️
@@CarlieAndAnge OMG! You just made my day with your reply ✨ Haha yeah you must be very stress free now that no one can spoil anything. I read the comment section too after watching your reactions and was just as alert trying not to get spoiled. Again, it was a pleasure to watch along with you guys, you're definitely my favourite reactors and if the series ever get expanded, you're the first ones I would watch if you release reactions to that. Hope you have a nice day (or night -I'm from Argentina so we're 13 hours apart I think 😆-). Thank you so much, again! ♥
8:23
"suffocate to death?"
As a titan-shifter, Armin can't be killed that way. Just like Annie survived in her crystal without eating, drinking or breathing.
31:17
The blood spray. Just like the end of episode 1.
33:16
The man who is all about freedom and free will was denied both as soon as he kissed Historia's hand in s3.
(Well, that's what Eren thinks, anyway.)
35:39
Armen also feels guilty for killing all those civilians when he blew up the fleet.
1:14:01
What did Armen scene add?
We got a crystal clear explanation about Eren's loss of free will due to the unchangeable nature of time.
We got that great line from Eren about how he was just an idiot who stumbled into great power.
I got to see you two lose you minds when you saw what happened with the Dina titan.
1:17:01
Ah, back to the Dina incident.
I liked it because it was confirmation that Eren was 100% completely unable to change anything. The alley incident wasn't conclusive. Killing his mother?
That's firm proof. If Eren had ANY WAY to prevent that, he would have.
I was crying for 15 min nonstop after it ended. No story has ever impacted me the way AOT did.
It was not a story about hero saving the world. Eren was a child who just wanted freedom for his people. But at the end we see after eren generation passed away, paradis evolved as civilisation war, destruction still followed even though there are not Titan in this world. Eren sacrifice could only made sure that his friends spent their life atleast in peace 🕊️
Thank you Isayama for this incredible story ✨
I Loved the Bittersweet Ending
It's just tough to swallow & leaves u empty but it's written VERY Realistically written & fits the theme, the characters have their flaws & they're very humanised which's great ( some people hate on it btw💀)
The Animators also gave the Best 1st hour of Action & Music was insanely good.
A MASTERPIECE FOREVER, Goated Anime.
Yh the ending overall was decent. I wish they would've fixed some of the problems from the manga but at least it's better overall.
100% agree every action taken in this show was what humans take facing the situation. I think reason for hating is because it's very easy to sit at home and say this was good this was bad decision.
@@anonisnoone6125 Bro they fixed certain Outrageous lines which were said in the Manga💀
Tho yh it could've been improved more with dialogues
Personally I felt some of the people trying to kill Eren should've died to add to the realism but all in all it was a good ending to an amazing series.
@@_quirkless_7838 That was a huge flaw with this ending. Nobody in the alliance died. Isayama was realistic in the past where people died in dangerous situations. But here everybody has plot armor so it takes away from the moment and no stakes are there.
1:07:31 I think Ange missed the part where Eren said that he truly wants Mikasa to be happy despite what he truly feels about the idea of keeping himself inside Mikasa's heart for the next ten years! If the show put more of Eren's true feelings in the past episodes, I think Eren in the past episodes would be somewhat different - less scarier and more vulnerable!
Nope, we all saw what we saw. Ange was right. That moment is VERY out of place. The whining and carrying on is just too out of character for someone who only promised to wrap the scarf around Mikasa. We already saw his emotional state when he cried to Ramzi
@@thelegacyofgaming2928Both are opinions and both are valid. I've come to the conclusion that that scene is perceived differently by people depending on how "emotional" they are. Ange didn't like and thinks it's out of character. Carlie liked it and thinks it's actually in-character.
The case is closed.
@@Darksightkellar Exactly
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 It only looks like out of character because Eren used to hide his true feelings since he join Zeke. Viewers tend to remember recent events and what is always shown recently. Eren is very emotional in season 1 to 3 but his conviction is weaker compared to season 4. A "whining Eren" is common in S1 to S3. Remember, Eren wants everyone of them to be happy that's why he gave Mikasa a vision of experiencing a short romantic moment with him and he also gave Armin a vision of experiencing travelling with an Eren he used to know - an open book and a pathetic one just like Eren in S1-S3. That's what Eren gave to them. Eren never really grew up as a healthy minded teenager. His mind is already confused as he said that past and future exist simultaneously to his mind that's why all Eren versions in the past exist simultaneously in the current version of Eren.
@@RyzenShanks the thing is although i agree with what u said u also got to remember eren is only 19 years old ofc he shows emotion though it seems out of character for eren who barely showed emotions towards mikasa throughout the whole series but again humans show their true nature on the verge of death as rightly said in naruto shippuden by itachi correct me if i wrote the quote wrong also feel free to disagree by stating your opinion, anyway whoever's reading this i hope you have a wonderful day/night. love
I'm sad not to hear Ange called Eren the shredded titan anymore. We've finally reached the end of what has been an epic ride. Thanks for all the reactions.
Because he never again transformed into the Attack Titan. The entire time he was either the Founding/Doomsday Titan or the Colossal.
Yes thank you for covering AoT and for critically analysing it. I have had the same criticisms of the ending and it feels vindicating when other people are able to see it too instead of blindly ignoring them and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with them that the ending is a masterpiece. Definitely sticking around to see what other shows you guys have covered
I love Zeke building sandcastles during what is essentially the end of the world. He's so iconic. One of my favorite characters to be honest. After all these years, it's finally over. We are free. Goodbye to all of the amazing characters from this story, both alive and dead. Goodbye Armin and Mikasa. And to Eren, the boy who sought freedom, goodbye. Thank you, Isayama.
I'ma be honest, zeke is shitty character to me who gave absolutely zero f***s about people's life, not only that but he enjoyed killing people.
Annie as well.
@@mustafamusa798 Zeke did what he did because he gave so many fucks about people's lives, specifically those not yet born. He was an anti-natalist who believed it to be cruel to birth Eldians into a world that despises them, and viewed killing Eldians as saving the unborn from the fate of being an Eldian. His entire plan with the Founding Titan was to give the Eldian race a slow yet painless death, something that he wouldn't do if he gave 0 fucks. Your view of him is if you completely disregard his past and motivations and focus solely on his actions.
As much as I respect your opinion about the scene between Eren and Armin while also agreeing with some of the criticisms about it, I would like to draw a parallel to the first episode. When Eren's mother is desperate to get the kids away but after they are gone and safe, she tells them not to go, revealing her true feelings. It was the same with Eren in this episode. Only after he was dead and Mikasa safe, would he express his true feelings which he himself considers pathetic, to his best friend.
Except Eren's mom had clear build up to that. She didn't just start crying out of nowhere, she showed twice before that that she was heavily concerned for their safety and only went that far because they constantly kept trying to lift the rubble. Eren on the other hand, had no build up to it, and no reason to go that far. We already saw his emotions with Ramzi.
TLDR: It's in line with Eren's mom, it's not in line with Eren. Two different characetrs.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928there are plenty of scenes that showed Eren's true feelings about Mikasa though. It's fine though if you didn't see it as such. It didn't work for you. It worked for many others. And that's okay.
@@DarksightkellarCan you name those scenes where Eren showed romantic feelings towards Mikasa?
@@rishabh2982 "I'll wrap that around you as many times as you want. Now and forever, as many times as you want."
@@Dracossack. I'll add "what am I to you?" in episode 4x28. He clearly hoped for another answer from Mikasa, as seen in this final episode in the "vision" he sent to Mikasa; in this vision Mikasa's answer was "let's run and live your last four years together".
Also, it's more of a stretch but it works for me, at least looking back at it, every time he got annoyed by Mikasa's protectiveness because he thinks that she treats him as if he's her son or her little brother.
Y'all have no idea how much I wanted to see their reactions , yeah watching this completes my AOT journey
As a manga reader... I thoroughly enjoyed the ending. Dont know why so many people hated it.
1:16:59 Eren didn't send the smiling titan to kill his mom...he commanded the smiling to not eat Bertholdt which in turn caused the death of his mother...so he indirectly caused his mother's death and regrets his actions and his powerlessness.....the implications are completely different
Well tbh I think he did send her so that kid eren could get hatred of the titans
@@AM17titan guess the scene can be interpreted both ways...
I feel like a huge theme of the ending and the series as a whole is the idea of the cruel but beautiful world. People tend to dwell on the sad part with the endless cycle of violence but aot also discusses the happy part with the idea of life always prevailing regardless of said cycle.
I loved the ending, especially in the current age i think anything more positive would land unrealistic, but anything more negative would just make the story a pointless tragedy. Isayama managed the perfect balance of showing a realistic part of the world, but also enough hope to keep striving for peace even if it seems impossible to reach.
I'm glad they choose to do the same ending for both in manga and anime, just the anime version has a slight better execution approach in the anime than the manga in term of the dialogue sequence arrangement and pacing.
Nonetheless, Manga is indeed too rush on the final chapter. I'm actually anticipating a lot more scenes and moment to occur before Armin see Eren head again, for eg.
-The Hallucigenia backstory,
-Ymir greet thank you or exchange thought with Mikasa,
-Eren other desperate attempts in the timeloop of the path,
-or Ymir memories of the moment she is with her King which make her fall for him so badly,
-or even some flashback of Eren struggling to pretend as that coldheaded chad Eren after beat Armin up on that round table scene and before he go to Gabi and Pieck, I'm expecting he has a moment of struggling in between these previous scenes.
Yet the final chapter didn't include all these plotpoints, that part alone is kind of disappointing for me.
@@JeusAlprime108 yeah, so much more could've been done, but i honestly like it this way as well, it leaves a lot up for interpterion
- i like that it's a mystery, which causes the after-credit scene to be mysterious as well, like ''will there be another Hallucigenia inside that tree?'' as we don't know how it started.
- I wouldn't like for that to happen, i think it's in a way poetic that ymir has never talked in the anime until the very end, despite how important of a character she was, it plays well on the fact that she was a slave whom tongue was cut off and had no voice to speak for herself, so her thanking mikasa would've left a bit of a bad taste.
- I honestly agree, i wish they showed us more of Eren attempting to change the future, only to fail and realize that it's already determined, the only saw him try 2 times and they were both a bit strange, one when he tried to not save ramzi, and one when he asked mikasa what she is to him hoping for a different answer from what he saw in the memories
- I also agree, they should've showed us more of why Ymir loved him, yeah she was seeking connections, so yeah maybe she developed a Stockholm syndrome and loved her abuser. and maybe she fell in love with him because he gave her a purpose in life after she was nothing but a slave. he gave her the opportunity to have children whom she clearly care about. but at the same time if she cares so much about her children, and she loved her abuser, why did she let herself die from that spear. and why did she get attached for 2000 years when it comes to this connection with her abuser, instead of getting attached to the connection she had with her children (tl;dr i think they should've fleshed out that plot more)
- thats what i mean by i like how some things are up for interpterion. they don't HAVE to show you eren crying after he beat up armin and told mikasa ''i hate you'', because you can think about it and realize it yourself.
they don't HAVE to tell you how much eren suffered his entire life being a slave who has to do horrible things including kill his own mother all while his mind is overwhelmed by having memories of the past and present and future all playing at the same time, seeing everything simultaneously, because you can think about it and realize it yourself
@@MoeDaliven Yeah letting Hallucigenia remain as a mystery did fit the genre of the show, that one I agree too.
But Ymir exchange thought with Mikasa and Reveal Ymir fall for King Karl moment, actually can be done together, before Ymir finally rest in peace, she may share her memory with Mikasa of where Mikasa succeed but Ymir failed in comparison with Ymir memories of her moments with her King. Yet you disagree first one but agree with latter one, make me not sure if combining them would make it better.
Regarding the last one and the third one as well, Eren did Tell a lot about it to Armin and the audience enough for us to visualise it, but I still prefer Show than Tell, because just one scene of that moment should be good enough to clear a lot of haters doubt in regard to Eren out of character speech in the final chapter, for both his intention to promote Armin as Tybur by hitting him hard and also all the test he try to alter the future.
We actually need those moment, those scene to empathy better with this real Eren character that has been fooling a lot of audience with that cold chad facade for almost entire final season, that sudden change or revelation twist of his facade in final chapter, is too brief for those haters to process and accept it all out of sudden.
@@JeusAlprime108I just wish they would've fixed some of the other problems with the ending tho since they had the chance. They could keep the same story beats but just change or add things.
@@anonisnoone6125 what other problem exactly tho?
KEY DETAIL: If you re-watch now, the Armin/Eren scene was one of the most important. For Ange, I also thought the same thing. Cause when I read the manga; Eren behaved the same way. It was the first time he could feel comfortable and FREE to express his feelings to his close homie. His boy lol. PLUS, remember in the alternate life, Eren literally spent the rest of his 4 years with MIKASA (which we unfortunately couldn't witness)/(They probably got married in secret or something lol); and they were happy and in love. So I think his reaction was pretty normal and vulnerable. It was only weird cause people (especially men), dont say such things out loud, only in their heads or to close friends/family. Cause let's be honest, you also wouldn't be too keen of the love of your life moving on lol...even AFTER your death. But he loved her so much to accept it.
This
That scene with the baby broke me man. All of them trying to just save that innocent child had me sobbing like a child.
Toxic manga readers keep saying eren should've won with the genocide, but are we forgetting civil wars, regardless if eren killed everyone outside of paradis, another war would have started in paradis itself, did we not see the previous seasons, there are also evil people in paradis as well, hence the whole theme the cycle of hatred will keep repeating itself, am I missing something, this ending was very realistic in my opinion 😂😂
Yeagerist fans don't want to hear that, they will just say isayama is a bad writer😂😂
Not gonna lie, as a manga reader I hated the ending, even now I still hate it, but you did bring up a good point with the civil war situation, so I can't really say you didn't understand the story, you make a good point, but I still think atleast some of our favourite characters should have died alongside with eren
Most haters of eren are incels tbh especially when he showed emtions & they wanna act like they know eren better than isayama who created him
I've tried to convince alot of manga readers with this same logic, but they keep coping and saying that all the people in paradis are good😂😂
In real life its slso the case. Even if there are peace. People will find something to blame and fight for.
Look at Feminazis. They only exist just because they never experienced true oppression and war. Black Lives Matter exist only thanks to democrsts, just to scam manipulated people to get on easy money. Antfa exists out of pure hatred and to fo the exact things they preach against. Things like tha will always exists.
thanks ange for doing the cover in such short notice. you the best man!
No problem ❤️
Ange my man I totally get what you mean about eren being out of character. That’s my initial thoughts when I read the manga chapter too. But now I can see through the character, eren never changed. He’s still that emotional freedom seeking guy, that’s why the he’s conflicted. Eren doesn’t know what to feel. Knowing that he will be dead in moments,he wants Mikasa to be free. But he also doesn’t want her to be his alone. So he told admin not to tell her what he said. Though it might be a bit poorly executed, eren is still in character imo
Ngl that’s what I kind of hated about the moment, I get the point was to portray eren as if he was conflicted and almost childish about the situation. But at the end of the day irrespective of his reasons to do what he did, he literally committed a mass genocide on an international level. I think a lot of fans have a very very very very VERY hard time digesting the gravity of that. No amount of screen time showing people getting crushed would truly make the average viewer truly understand the scale of that atrocity. And to have eren, the one responsible, crying and feeling sorry for himself acting like a 16 year old high schooler, after eradicating 80% of the population, and armin treating him as if he accidentally knocked over a vase. I get the point is to humanise eren, but I think at that point it was past that. So the scene to me just came off as awkward and almost a bit unsettling.
To an extent I can understand why people feel that Eren having romantic feelings for Mikasa came out of nowhere. But even when the manga was still dropping I think I got exactly what Isayama was going for. I don’t think Eren loved (or at least was aware he loved) Mikasa until after he’d seen the future memories and was getting all existential. Think about it, if you know you’re destined to do something incredibly atrocious, you’d get very introspective and over analyze many things in your life. Eren likely started thinking about the love Mikasa has shown him and questioned how she could love someone like him. I don’t think it’s a coincidence Isayama had Eren ask Mikasa “what am I to you” right after he broke down in front of Ramzi. Also, I think Eren coming up with the Ackerman curse explanation says a lot about where his head was at. He literally asked Zeke about this, so the idea came from Eren’s own mind, probably because he was looking for any other explanation aside from her just loving him. And Zeke was like nah, she just loves you. I’m sure Eren was thinking about that a lot, and on the verge of death he wanted nothing more than to just be with Mikasa without the burdens of the world on his shoulder, just like in the alternate reality he showed her. It took a lot but he finally realized his love for her. So yeah what he said to Armin in the Paths was pathetic, but I don’t think it’s inconsistent with Eren’s character at all considering it was his last moment with his best friend
EXACTLY! Same Eren who said 'Huh? Marlow hasn't done anything wrong..' when everyone was side-eyeing Marlow over not realizing Hitch was in love with him. He lacks so much emotional and romantic awareness it's actually insane to expect him to interpret someone's feelings for him as love, or even be expressive with his before S4 lmaoo.. Isayama highlighted how deficient he is in that department a plethora of times.
You are totally right. I wish more people got that.
I think Eren's feeling developed alongside Armin's feelings for Annie, and for similar reasons. He feels alone, he finally realized she loves him as opposed to being forced to as an Ackermann trait, and also he grew up. 15 is still young, he probably just wasn't interested until he was 16-19 years old
I also didn’t get the whole Mikasa Eren romance, but this one comment explained it perfectly, thank you
@@santiagomartinez3951nah it didn't. The romance was forced. Isayama has also said that Mikasa is Eren's mother figure as well. Romance was trash in this series and people should never make it a focus.
@@asuraspath2262😂😂😂😂😂😂
43:06 don’t worry about it. It’s like going back in time 2000 years to a Roman and telling them there will be two massive wars at the heart of their empire in the 20th century, they won’t care. They’ll probably just die on the spot because of the bacteria on your clothes.
Watching AoT with you was a blast, thank you guys! Much love ❤
33:44 in case anyone forgot. Grisha wanted to stop eren remember? So in order to get the founding, eren had to kill his mother. So that grisha would take revenge by ensuring eren gets the founding and do the rumbling
that's fucked up.. damn..
I realise the desperate need for manipulation but I feel sorry for carla and grisha.. i really do.. to all the characters who died along the series too whether cz of the rumbling or fighting for the sake of what's important to them. Very blunt show if I had to describe it in a word.
The music really did it for me in this finale. Absolutely amazing!
38:59 That day, Ymir jumped in front of the spear to save the King and chose to die. Ymir saw the other version of herself in Mikasa and chose Eren. So we saw the scenario where Ymir chooses herself instead of the King. This is very sad. Mikasa killed the King. He was King Eren.
Soooo true Carlie 44:39 they covered what they needed to. That ending shocked us all, with the island being destroyed by future wars. But at that point, it's safe to assume hundreds of years has passed by, at that point, our crew would've already passed away like Mikasa, old, surrounded by those they loved. Who knows? Maybe their descendants left the island way before it got destroyed and they are living happy somewhere else. Since they are considered "heros", they are free to travel, also there's no blood tests anymore because there aren't any subjects of Ymir.
Trully a great and hard ending.
It's been a journey guys! Glad to experience it with you!
Great ending, i just wish they showed us the conversation eren had with jean, connie, annie and reiner.
Also Thanks isayama, mappa and wit for this MASTERPIECE.
I wish they would release extra clips of Eren having a convo with them. It's too much to ask but it would be nice.
I really need the Reiner convo.
@@maizeman90 convo with Reiner would probably involve something like Eren revealing the secret of the universe to Reiner casually after asking him how was his lunch, since that's how their conversation usually goes.
Great ending hahahahahaha
Carlie understood Eren's vulnerability too well. Props to her 👏🏼
End of an Era
Shinzou wo Sasageyo ❤️🔥
Yeah, Eren was under a lot of stress
Ange understood too. Just because you don't like his criticism doesn't mean he's wrong. Not everything in life is daisies and sunshine. This ending had plenty of flaws and I'm glad Ange was honest about them instead of blindly praising it.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 It is certainly good that he remains honest about his thoughts but he's simply wrong. We do agree that the ending has plenty of flaws, but Eren breaking down here is not one of them
Ange is not wrong and nails why this ending is trash even doesn’t say it so not to offend the ending defenders delicate sensibilities
@@LuisSierra42he didn’t say it was eren breaking down, I think ange is fine with that, its just his dialogue
Thank you for the reaction to the ending! Always enjoy your work.
Hi! I'm so glad you've watched this and shared your reactions to us!
I've been here for a long time now!!
About Eren and Armin's conversation.
As a manga reader in Japan, I thought you'd might like more of the manga version conversation.
Because the manga version was more light handled, there was a lot of misunderstanding in there conversation,
and many people hated it.
That's why Isayama thought of a conversation more passionate and more easy-to-understand, he added their hug and so.
(There weren't any hugs and the hole "I'll go to hell with you" staff)
Although I think the root of the conversation isn't that changed.
About Armin leveling himself with Eren,
is because, he also slaughtered so much people including civilians,
(As Armin said to Annie, he also think himself as a devil)
and as Eren's friend, he wanted to be on his side.
(But not even to debate, what Eren did was something unforgivable to do, so he said he will go to hell with him, I think)
There will be lot's of sides to look at, and I also understand you don't get why Armin did that.
But in the end, I thought I liked to see their friend ship like that.(my opinion/BTW my fav is Armin)
Oh, and another thing, about sending the titan to his mom,
in the manga, they have explained it.
The reason was, this was the only way to get rid of the titan powers, so Eren had to make shore that he gets that same emotion and rage to get to this point.
So he purposefully send that titan to his mom to let the younger him see his mom get killed to get his rage.
I hope I'm explaining it clearly.
I hope these can clear some of your questions.
Thank you again for the great reaction!
Eren would've never sacrificed his mom for anything in the world, unless Isayama would've been lying to all of us during S1 S2 and S3.
@@SeewiGGexactly! He was lying to Eren and even to us all this time and it was Eren himself who choose to kill her for the sake of getting rid of the titan powers. But young Eren didn’t know that so he got his rage he needed to get to this point!
@@amehiro1103 That would be poor writing then. Even if Isayama did it on purpose, during the entire s4 Eren still had his mom's death as a purpose for doing the rumbling. If he's aware that his mom died because of him, then why would he be remembering that moment during the rumbling or when he arrived on Marley for the first time? It's contradictory that his actions don't match his speech in the last chapter...
@@SeewiGG This is just what I think, because I'm not Isayama, but even if he knew he was the one who chose to kill his own mom, he still had so much rage in the world that he had to chose that path to end all these shit.(And maybe he chose his friends over his mom)
Maybe you don't like Isayama leaving some part to think of our own conclusion, but he dose things like this a lot in his plot and I love that he doesn't full in everything so tightly. Again, this is only my opinion.
The perfect way to end this masterpiece. It’s very bittersweet. It’s kind of one of those “the cycle continues” endings. Eren wasn’t trying to end all conflict, he was trying to get rid of the curse of the titans and wipe out the titans. He succeeded in that. The end scene just shows that humans will never change and will always seek conflict and I think that is a 100% accurate depiction and it was handled masterfully
The power of the titans is still in the new tree tho. And that boy went in. The titans are going to come back.
@@blondymonk1535 No it's not. I wish people would stop saying this. That scene is entirely symbolic. The hallucigenia (the big blue worm like thing) is dead, and that is what gave the titan powers to Ymir in the first place, not the tree. We saw it's body had broken apart after Eren was killed and Ymir also vanished. Without it (and Ymir), there is no titan powers.
@@theokayishgamer plenty of other ways to symbolize tho. Why would isayama choose this specific way? Maybe his buried head created a new halluciagenia. How was it created in the first place, we don't know that.
@@blondymonk1535because it is an open ended ending
How can you call it perfect ? Yes the first 3 season were perfect but no the finale
I like to think that since time has no meaning in the path, Mikasa and Eren actually spent years isolated together and got some of the happiness that they deserve
It's definitely the case I think. They lived their 4 years in that cabin.
I like that idea a lot ❤️😭😭
My interpretation is; Eren saw this as a possible future for him. "What if they had run away?" They had spent his last years together and since he saw all this and had the power of the founding titan, he was able to alter Mikasas memories so she also experienced what he experienced in this 4 year timeline. That's why she gets these headaches all the time and at 29:05 her Ackermann blood made it possible for her to "break free" from Erens memory manipulation. That's why she finally saw what Eren had altered in her memories.
@@hubachecka yeah that's what i assumed as well, we were told that the ackerman were ''immune to memory altering'' which is why they were hunted down and mostly eliminated after king karl erased everyone's memory inside paradise following the building of the walls,
but somehow eren visited mikasa (as well as armin and everyone else) and erased their memories... it shouldn't have worked on mikasa.
so my theory is that what we were told is wrong, the ackerman aren't immune to memory altering, they are just able to remember parts of what they were forced to forget.
and this cabin scene was a part of what eren showed mikasa when he visited her (the same way he showed armin the outside world in a volcano and all).
and he did it to both give her a last happy memory of them living together, and to make her realize that she wasn't responsible for what happened (because she kept feeling guilty and kept asking herself if things would've been different if she told eren she loved him when asked her ''what am i to you'' on that day)
so yeah, she just was able to remember parts of that cabin scene before everyone else's memories returned, because she's an ackerman
also, in my opinion, eren gave everyone else a ''last happy memory'' as well, not just her. whether its armin finally getting to see the outside world with his best friend like he always wanted to, or conny getting to know that his mother will come back to life.
That flash of Ymir with her daughters and Frtiz impaled with the spear is her acknowledging she should have let go of her love for Fritz and done the right thing. Mikasa showed her it was possible so she finally moves on.
girl had to let the world be in subjugation for 2000 years and then let 80% of humanity die to get over her crush, damn
I saw it more of the same what if scenario Mikasa went through and if Ymir did not take that spear Mikasa would have never been born and she would have never gotten the chance to meet Eren. That’s why I thought she was thanking her even if her choices in love were a nightmare.
@@cinderpelt67yep
@@Cptraktorn is ymir really the one to blame here? first king fritz was the one who shaped her into a slave and ordered her everything.
I think it was more so that we don't really know what happened with Ymir. That perhaps she did give up but her guilt kept her bound for 2000 years. Because otherwise it would be so dumb that she "loved" Fritz. If her scenario was even remotely similar to Mikasa's, it would work but no. Are you telling me she was an extreme case of a Stockholm Syndrome? It would make the ending so much shittier.
I think the ending in the credits isn't necessarily a bad ending. Many MANY years have passed with the island doing well and living in peace, meaning Eren got his wish of having his friends happy and safe until their end.
Also it's what you'd expect from a country to eventually war agaisnt another, and i think the fact that it took so many years probably makes it not have anything to do with the fact of people hating their island or something like that.
Yeah, it’s like a circle of life thing. War goes around, comes around. Very on brand for Isayama’s themes. But also, pretty relevant to the world’s state rn.
also so many people fail to realize 1 vrery important thing, the kid at the end is clearly the reincarnation of Eren, stepping into the tree to regain the power of the founder after thousands of years(based on the ending songs name its likely 20,000 years in the future) in which he will use the power of the founder to rebuild society
@@houseofaction I don't think he's the reincarnation of anyone. He has Mikasa's scarf, Eren's looks (kinda'), the same experience as Ymir finding the tree. I think he just represents the cycle.
@@veraaurelis8931 what about not passing on the burdens of know on to the next generation, and getting the children out the forest?
@@Noctislolig Don't forget that the boy have Eren's looks, Mikasa's scarf and Armin's old haircut
I wasn't too fond of the Armin & Eren scene in the paths either, when I first saw it. However, I've grown to like it more now.
The way I understood it was that Armin had not seen nor spoken to Eren in a long time, so when he finally got the chance to talk to Eren, I can imagine he felt so tired, exhausted and hopeless, that he was just happy that he got to see his best friend again. All Armin wanted to do all along was to speak to Eren, to comfort him, to make him change his mind. They have been best friends since day 1, and have basically been brothers. Armin then being willing to share the blame, to me, didn't mean that he put himself down to the same level as Eren. However, what I saw was an Armin who was grieving the loss of Eren and who he thought he was, because he realized how messed up the situation had gotten and since Eren was already prepared to die - Armin didn't see the point in continuing to lecture him. Armin still loved and cared for Eren, and that stayed true to the emotional intelligence tied to Armin's character, even though he didn't agree to what Eren had done. So the hug fit into the moment in my opinion. It was a goodbye-hug, where Armin was upset and grieving the loss of his best friend - in the little time he got to see him. It was the best Armin could come up with, in that situation, and all Armin wanted to do was to cling onto the past and the good memories he had with Eren. I feel like it's a very human reaction, and I can relate to it somehow - to love someone and care for them although you acknowledge and recognize the darkness in them. Sort of like leaving an abusive relationship; it still hurts because you convinced yourself it was good when it wasn't - and a part of you always lived in that lie. Armin wanted to give Eren a peaceful ending, AND he could also see the demon in him. Just like Mikasa did. I might just be too big of a fan of this show to acknowledge that the scene could have been better, but I do believe I can understand what Isayama was trying to say here. Thank you Carlie and Ange, for putting your all into this show, it means a lot to all of us who love it ❤️ (and thank you for your guitar intros, they have always made your reaction channel stand out)
Agreed. The armin eren scene I think is one that gives you the “huh?” Taste the first time you watch it but after a bit of time and once you think about it a bit it really does flow with the rest of the story and make sense. The scene has grown greatly on me in just a few days when watching for the first time it definitely stood out as out of place
I've watched it 5 times and that scene still ruins the whole episode. It makes no sense. You can still love someone despite them being a monster but there was too much agreeableness from Armin. It was very unrealistic as Ange explained.
@@ExstasinBloopers I agree! It felt really strange to me too at first, but then I realized I had forgotten all about what Eren was like before season 3, which is a long time ago. The ending fits perfectly into the story, and I think I have finally realized that Eren was like this all along, although I don't like admitting it because I really loved him as a character.
Nah. It was trash. Armin is a contradiction of who he was pretimeskip. Same with Eren.
The anime doesn’t explain it, but the vision Mikasa saw was Eren going back to spend time with his friends like Mikasa and Armin. He spent years with them since time doesn’t go by in the paths. He spent his time with Mikasa, and traveled the world with Armin like they both wanted.
Is there an explanation as to how Eren erased Mikasa’s memories?
@@Jack_L Founding Titan power, it can manipulate the memories- like how the rulers of Paradis wiped the true history from the islands memory.
@@Jack_Lmikasa has eldian blood
@@swattofficer6624 no, Ackermans can't be manipulated, it's said so in the manga/anime, the best reason will be Eren dragged Mikasa in the Paths right before he died.
@@Jack_L It was either a plot hole, or he waited until the last moment to talk to Mikasa. This way he didn't have to erase her memory.
I like the ending, it was a good ending for me because it was realistic, perfect way to end a masterpiece.
The ending with all the wars is basically telling us that the Titans power never a problem, it was human all along.
The part where Mikasa cries at the end is heartbreaking 😔
Thank you and it’s like do you know what anime you’re watching it’s lip attack on titan we get no happiness 😭
.me too iş şad seeing People get killed😢
ERENANDMİKASA L HOPE SHE rest
@@peengwenl agree am happy Annie andarmin loookcuteand dripy at end l Will miss my kids gabiandher boy a❤ by
The ending was good. Although some of the same problems exist from the manga, the anime did seem to make it better.
I absolutly love Eren breakdown/confession
I think the reason behind ymir being able to love king fritz is because she was a slave her whole life
Its like this one song were the girl thinks that the abuse shes going through is love
Ymir was probably raised to believe that the king could do no wrong and that through everything he must be obeyed
Its like how most kids wouldn't dare act out against their parents one cause there are consequences and two thats how they were raised, they were raised to listen to their parents that if they do something wrong they will be punished.
(Dont mind any potential grammar mistakes my phone is not phoning rn😅😭🙏)
That’s stupid tho, she saw the lives of billions of eldians but still couldn’t figure out that it’s not love?
@@t-ro6176 Mi nuh know
She a ediot🤷🏽♀️
Don't talk about Ymir as if she were a teenager in love with a school shooter, she is a 13-year-old girl who was a slave all her life, why should she care about the lives of the Eldiamos if we don't know that they have done anything for her? What's more, we know that she was betrayed for freeing the pigs, causing her to be hunted, turned into a titan and abused by King Fritz. We don't know much about her childhood but it is clear that she never received any kind of affection, never. No one taught her about emotional maturity or how to have a healthy relationship, it had to be 2000 until Mikasa came to show her, what's more, in the series it is made clear that she always had a childlike mentality, during most of her story we see her as a girl. Although she was already an adult, this is a very clear symbolism in my opinion, it is that even emotionally mature people can suffer from Stockholm syndrome, why not a slave girl who never had any type of emotional education? @@t-ro6176
You guys are hands down the best reactors!
Your little outbursts and funny comments are always gold. Thanks a lot!
First word(1x1)
Eren : Mikasa...
Last word(Final)
Mikasa: Eren..
And Eren was never free😭
The greatest anime of all time. Thank you AOT & Hajime Isayama for 10 years of witnessing this masterpiece!❤🔥
see you later AoT...😭WHAT A WILD RIDE...And one last time,Shinzou wo Sasageyo!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
43:50 Look at the bottom left corner, that worm-like creature is there😱Did Eren replace Ymir? Is Eren is next Ymir?🤔😳
first words were are you awake...
I honestly could not stop sobbing during the second half. The fact that Mikasa is the one who truly frees Ymir is so poetic to me. Eren is who Ymir thought she wanted, as he’s someone who desperately desires freedom and will keep moving forward to achieve it. Mikasa is who Ymir needed, as she’s someone who is truly free and is able to fight for what she believes is right. She's Ymir's antithesis and was able to do what Ymir couldn't. It really just makes Eren's death all the more tragic and heartbreaking 💔
took ymir 2000 years lol
@@christsolos lol
Did Ymir really love Fritz? Because that shit don't make sense. I saw that ending scene of Ymir as 'we will never know what truly happened with ymir'.
@@gurnoorsekhon6402 It was her twisted perception of love. I think she wanted love and attention and the only person who gave her that attention was Fritz as fucked up as that is. It explains why even though she had the titan powers to kill him and his army, she willingly choose to come back to him after obtaining her powers. I think all of her trauma and abuse affected how she perceived "love" hence why she was blindly devoted to him.
@@rei-ef6xm nah bruh that makes zero sense. It would make sense if it was a regular human but she had an infinite amount of time and she till couldn't figure out that fritz was evil? Harley Quinn was psychologically broken and even she figured out that Joker was evil in A HUMAN LIFETIME. Or are you saying she was even more mentally gone than Harley Quinn?
What an end to an amazingly written story!
So many deep moments. Armin, taking some of the burden from Eren for his actions, so that he wouldn’t feel alone. Eren becoming the villian, to have his friends become the heroes. The previous titans fight back was sick! Mikasa putting her love for Eren to the side for the betterment of her friends and ultimately humanity.
Bittersweet would encapsulate the feeling of this story ending. Watching it retrospect is going to be a different experience for sure.
Armin’s memory is the key to eren’s whole character but to each their own I guess, that was easily one of my fav moments of the whole anime
No it isn’t your faulting rn
25:50 it's not Colossal. This is Real Founding Titan. If they hadn't cut off Eren's head in the beginning, he would have transformed into this form with the Founder.
How the hell did you come to that conclusion? It looks nothing like the founding titan. We already seen what Erens titan looks like, the skeleton of it. If Erens head was attached and he transformed it would be that insanely Huge titan. If im wrong please correct me and tell me where does it state that the founding titan is the collosal titan apperance wise. Because we didnt hear that or get that CONFIRMED once
@@K_Petar I only got this conclusion from Ymir's Form. Ymir was 220 meters. Eren must have been the same.
I originally thought also that eren breaking down was the first time he showed / reciprocated his feelings to Mikasa.. But it was pointed out to me that in japanese culture Eren asking mikasa what he is to her was already a confession of love.
Yep
And their scarf is a symbol of love !!!
I absolutely loved the ending. I still have some minor complaints but overall I’m very satisfied with it and couldn’t think of better ending. As bleak as it is, my personal takeaway is that even though the cycle of violence and hatred will always continue, we have to try our best to not perpetuate it and if we can’t we have to keep trying regardless of what the outcome may be. It’s been repeated throughout the series that human conflict will never cease. There’s a devil in all of us; we’re all capable of violence. So what do we do? We escape the forest and even if we can’t we have to keep trying. I believe that's what the scouts were trying to do. Because remember, they actually had a hand in furthering the Rumbling by helping Eren get to Zeke. Aot has always been about making choices that one thinks they will regret the least. They just didn’t wanna regret not stopping an omnicide. The scouts represent what the Survey Corps stands for and what, I hope, we all stand for: fighting against insurmountable odds for even the slightest chance of an unrealistic idealist world.
Great Reaction guys!!
Fact that I think you guys missed was Mikasa's headaches were caused because of Ymir constantly looking into her mind as Ymir looked into Eren's memories and knew Mikasa will be the one in the future who will "Free" her from the 2000 year of slavery by killing the Founder (Eren).
You guys where spot on with the information piercing this episode noticing a lot of stuff other videos missed! So thank you for that
as soon as episode aird i knew i couldnt wait to watch your guys specific reaction, ive been here through ever episode. So sad its over
I loved the painful and bittersweet ending. The only part I feel like might be a tad unclear that I wish more people got was the empathy that Armin and Mikasa as well as everyone for eren. There were parts throughout the story Eren was the bad guy in my eyes but in the end I think I came to understand that he really was a slave to his world. By the time he was old enough to realize he had been making the things happen to himself in his life he was already down the path to fulfill the future he saw and he couldn't escape it. It really was a self fulfilling future and he loved his friends so much that the only outcome that gave them a long life and ended the Titans was the one he had already seen. One my favorite and most complicated main characters ever.
160k congratulations 🎉 and what a great 10 years journey ❤
Arigathanks Hajime Isayama for writing Shredded on Titan, and Ange and Carlie for reacting to this masterpiece.❤
Haha love that! ❤️
@@CarlieAndAnge Eren did not send the smiling titan to kill his mother, he just prevented it from eating Berthold and his mother's death was a consequence of this action so he feels responsible for it. He needed Berthold to break the wall
@@LuisSierra42 Berthold had already broken the wall. Eren had to send Dina away from him because if Dina had eaten Bert, Armin would not have gotten the colossal titan, and if Eren's mom wasn't eaten then Eren would not have ended up being filled with so much hate and anger, which would've resulted in him not starting the rumbling, which in turn would mean Marley attacks Paradis which would end with all of Eren's friends dying.
So yeah, Eren did send Dina towards his mom, because he had to (in his eyes anyways), otherwise he wouldn't be able to save the island and all of his friends.
@@theokayishgamer That makes sense, but I still think this was just a consequence of having the power of God. In the same way that people blame God for all the suffering in the world, Eren blames himself because he was put in a position where small choices would have major consequences
@@LuisSierra42yeah but if u think about it, if he knew the future, he still didn’t save his mother. So yeah, he did kill her
About the boy at the end, even if the Hallucigenia is still exist, and the boy ended up making a contact with them, there's no guarantee that he will become a Titan. Ymir fused with Hallucigenia while she was hurt and desperate, this is not the case with the boy, he clearly entering the tree with excitement and curiosity. Remember that Hallucigenia is not a Titan, it is the "source of all living matter", the Titan itself is the product of Ymir's desire and source of all living matter combined, Ymir desired to be big and strong, to be free from the world that treat her cruelly, that's giving birth to the Titan Power, ironically this wish was never been fulfilled even after she gains a God-like power.
Ymir waited 2000 years to eren and mikasa to free her,she was a slave and she didn’t know what love is ,she thought love is submission,so she continued serve the royal blood ,and when ymir visited mikasa’s head and give her those headaches.she chosen mikasa to free her and eren and she knows love is a choice not submission,she was thinking if she didn’t save king fritz but love her children more then thing would be different.
What a perfect ending!❤
And about eren sending Dina to Carla, the way that I see it is that even eren himself doesn’t know what actions are his own and what are not anymore. In this finale he said that the past and future are all happening in his head, his mind is a mess. And he has pointed out many times in the past that he tried to do things different but what he saw in his head about the future will always happen. In a situation like this, is what is happening truly a result of his actions or were they all predetermined by something whatever it is. If a future memory of this appeared in eren’s head at the start of the first ep, then is this still a decision made by eren or was the future already predetermined and eren has to follow through?
Am I even making sense? But ya the way I see the reveal is less shock factor, but more just to highlight how helpless eren really was
Great conclusion to the series. Loved it!
4:17 oh god i love how you combine all the openings together, it’s gave me chills
Great reaction, and a big thank you for taking us all on this journey!
The only thing I'd like to add regarding the Eren/Mikasa love dynamic is to just mention the two pivotal scenes where Eren shows his true feelings for Mikasa.
Season 2 Finale; Hannes is being eaten by the Smiling Titan, while Mikasa and Eren are sitting on the ground.
Eren is screaming that nothing has changed, because he cannot transform and make a game changing save in the worst possible moment.
Mikasa basically gives up in this moment and shoots her shot and thanks Eren for wrapping the scarf around her, and even goes in for a final kiss.
Eren sees that she has all but given up yet he ultimately refuses for it to be their end.
He pulls away from her, stands up, AND HE TELLS HER "I'll wrap that around you, as many times as you want".
In that one moment, he finally understood that someone loved him, and told her just how important she was to him.
Season 4 Part 2 Finale; Eren is standing looking over the refugee camp in Marley, crying, because he knows what he will do to those poor people in a not so distant future.
Mikasa runs up to him and their conversation leads to him asking her what he really means to her, because it was something that really went unsaid all this time.
She freezes, but ends up saying that he's family (and to Eren's ears nothing more than that)
This, in my own personal opinion matches up with all of Season 1 where we see him butt heads, sometimes literally, with Mikasa because she always wants to be near him.
In my reading into his character I always saw this as him not understanding that what she is showing is love and affection, while all he sees is someone trying to tell him what to do and how to live his life.
When we finally get to them standing over the edge next to the camp, he once again is looking for a way for the future he saw to play out differently.
And wouldn't it be great if it could be them just running off together, where nothing matters but them (which we finally saw in the final episode)
The sad thing about all of this is that he goes from not fully understanding loving someone (Season 1, most of Season 2) to carrying the world on his shoulders and not having time for love (Season 3) to ultimately realising that he is just a normal dude who will one day flatten the world he thought he was fighting to reach.
In that moment, and the moments before your foretold death, I do believe that the love you felt for someone else might be the last thing you hold on to.
I feel the same exact way that you do except for the way they handled Eren having his mother killed, I think that was the event that would cause what he went on to do during the rest of the series so that needed to happen. Fantastic video and I really appriciate your frankness when reacting to popular shows, many people only express what viewers want to hear instead of their actual thoughts.
eren's mom dying was necessary for eren to be part of the scout. He stated it in season 1 wherein mikasa was discouraging eren to join the squad after failing ODM gear try out while eren said that it's crazy to think he'll give up after a titan ate his mom or something along those lines.
1:16:56 They seriously missed an important detail. Eren sent the smiling titan to kill his mom is solely bc it was the only way to start the rumbling
Your thumnail's the best! So glad you chosing the shot!
This series was the reason I subscribed to your channel 2 years ago. Following your journey thru this anime has been amazing. So many great memories of the show and your reactions. Knowing this is the last of AoT is bittersweet