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CSX Train Slips On Hill Almost Running Into Amtraks Silver Star
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2012
- This is a video I made of a CSX freight train passing through Amtraks Lakeland station on a upgrade. The train was carrying a heavy load and could not make it up the hill. Behind it was already running late Amtraks Silver Star. The freight started rolling backwards almost hitting the Amtraks Silver Star. They had to call in two extra locomotives to come up behind the freight train hook up and push it over the hill.
Nice video, however if the train was slipping the engineer would have dumped the brakes. The pads would have gone against the wheels and the wheels would stop turning and start sliding on the rails. This would have made a lot of noise. The engineer was tying to "Slack" the train to get it rolling aging. Now a bought the Amtrak train. He could not have been that close to the rear end of our freight train. First off automatic signals would not let the Amtrak fallow that close. Second of all we know this because you said that they brought two extra locomotives in from behind to push. That could not have happened if Amtrak was that close to the rear end of the freight train.
SleeTheSloth what happened was he couldn’t make it up the hill so he backed up to avoid slipping. You did make a point there though
SleeTheSloth I
By a bought the Amtrak, I’m assuming you meant about.
@@beynickiana spelling is unfortunately not my forte.
I was the engineer on that silver star train we were stopped 4 signals back before the station..
Same thing happened the other day in the Tampa Yard. The circus train had to back up off the main to let Amtrak 91 Silver star go by then he pulled out.
Thank you!! Wait till you see what I have in store for the end of the week. Just remember the word CRASH.
Love the channel man! I live up in Maine the Amtrak runs about 200 feet from my house. Fun to watch in the winter when that tracks are covered in snow.
"CSX train slips on a hill..." A hill in FL?
Yes, there are tracks that are going up a grade there. I’m surprised you didn’t know. One video I watched zoomed in on a train long distance in Florida and you could see hills the track was going over in the distance
I had a train go by my house with 5 engines and 153 cars. Almost 2 miles long
Like I said in one of my comments. The amtrak train was stopped at the lock behind this freight train and there was another line that connects with this line between the back of the freight and in front of the Amtrak. Amtrak was about 1/4 to 1/2 mile behind the freight in the next block.
Great Job, Keep them coming! You are doing a great job.
Rich Maint
Yes my favorite rollercoaster. Also because I like trains and rollercoasters. I came up with Coastertrains.
There's no way the entire train was 'slipping.' Worst case, the engineer dumps the air brakes and everything stops.
Wow!
You have truly captured the drama, the excitement, the terror, the nail biting suspense, the life and death struggle that is:
a train spending an hour backing up at one mile per hour.
(Well done, Fellini)
Thank you so much for your comment. Some people think it is a joke or I post fake stuff. But when I was there recording I heard from the station masters radio what was going on. I just posted this video as what I heard. Thank you for your support.
Let's see @ 2:12 sounds like brakes squeaking
2:48, train "shrinks" (couplers clunk) engine and front of train resisting forward motion.
doesn't seem right.
What most likely happened is that one of the engines was having mechanical issues, and lost some of its tractive effort. The railroads (at least the one I work for) have whats known as a train list or a "wheel" report. This shows each engine, how much horsepower per ton (HPT) is needed, and how much HPT they actually have. It also shows where each rail car is in the train, and what each rail car has loaded onto it.
I think your right about an engine having mechanical issues, I just can't imagine them miscalculating the power need this badly...(I lived next to a L&N come CSX line all my young life, just before they had to hit old Greyhampton Hill, one of the biggest hills in central KY before you come into Louisville and they NEVER made this mistake (although I did see them side a burning locomotive once before the crew bailed!).
Thank you!! Someday when you do visit let me know and I will give you a tour here in Tampa Florida.
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Stephen From Vancouver, Canada
This what happens when the CSX PTB (Powers That Be) failto read tonnage ratings for the power and either cut the tonnage down or put another unit on the train BEFORE it gets into trouble. I've seen this before, we used to call it "pencilling the tonnage", just to deceive the train crews and get them out of the yard. There's an old saying, you can fool the men, but you can't fool the engines.
This kind of crap also gives Amtrak a bad name for delays even though it's not their fault Chances are Amtrak engineer was listening on the radio, and when he saw the rear end of the freight getting too close told the CSX job to dump the air. If they had to add power, Amtrak probably had to back up to clear for the pusher power.
As Amtrak is running on CSX's line, it is not the responsibility of Amtrak to push the CSX, it would be somewhat dangerous to the passengers to be jostled by the surges of the freight train as well.
The fundamental of why US passenger rail suck... Freight and passengers are not ran by the same railway line owns the track...
If they are slipping and almost hitting Amtrak.....how does the pusher tack on between Amtrak 91 and the coal train? It's not as dramatic as the title says. They are clearly shoving to either clear crossings or get in position for the pusher to tack on. Or both.
Thank you. I use my tripod and I have a new HD camera. Also I try to keep away from crowds.
Nice catch of the DASH 8-40C & 8-40CW!😎🚂🚂
He has to be backing up. No way a train would slip that far. They would just lock it down and it wouldn't move.
They have stopped the whole train but because the wheels have hardly any friction because their metal the whole train just slips downward
But I do agree with you it does seem very off how far it went though
Went past a siding, flipped the switch, reversed onto the siding. Probably dropped or picked up some cars.
Then why were two other locomotives sent to push it up the hill
In Clairmont Florida there is Mount Dora Elevation is 307 Feet The Rolling Hills Of Florida
Yes there was certain times I had to stop the camera and edited out all the wasted time while it was stopped. about an hour of time.
The Engineer was probilty saying to himself repeatily:
" I know I can make it up this hill".
But once his train started to move backwars his thought changed to:
"Ohh Crap!"
Could the Amtrak train have disconnected their engine(s) and pushed the freightrain?
Seems that would waste far less time than bringing locomotives from somewherelse.
Was this train intentionally backing to get another start at the slight grade?
Or was it switching out some cars into a siding?
Does not appear that it was slipping. Brakes were not applied until we heard them being applied.
They sure were. I seen the smoke pouring out as they tried to climb the small incline
So much you know from Austrailia. Keep with your RR And I will keep with mine. CLOWN
I think that the conductor only stopped to buy cigarettes but misestimate the stopping point and had to go a little backwards to align the locomotive with the parking meter.
hahahaha the conductor stopping to buy cigarettes lmao 🚂🚂🚂😂😂
Empty cars and a slight grade are not going to slow those two loco's, they weren't even on the throttle hard in the video. It looked a whole lot like a switching operation, maybe they just backed on a siding and picked up those 2 in the rear. Slacking and un-slacking a train like that is a coupling procedure.
Kevin Wheaton My thoughts exactly
Kevin Wheaton Yeah this looks like the case, it does look to me like when the train first started moving backwards it was more likely due to them being pushed (by the locos on the front, presumably) rather than because they were rolling back.
I thought they were loaded...
I don't know. I was just there filming and heard the commotion on the train conductors radio.
There was a siding between the back end of the freight and the front end of Amtrak.
That train would not roll back and hit Amtrak. Amtrak couldn't be in the same block.
Did you notice the high tech solution to a hole in hopper car rags stuffed in Tyne holes. Some things never change. Someone did not use their calculator figuring the tonnage of that tain
Great video. UK railfan. love watching these clips .Nothing like it here. Would love to visit someday. Top of my bucket list.&" and counting! Well done . Please keep them coming.
There is a part in central florida where it looks like small mountains
He is not slipping, he is backing on purpose. If he was slipping, all of the air brakes would have locked and every wheel on every truck would be locked.
James Feragola haha
That's not true
Stephanie Jimenez what's not true?
James Feragola You can clearly hear the breaks haha, they need new ones lol
You hear the Steel Wheels on the tracks. If they popped the emergency brakes, there would be sand on the tracks and there isn't. The train was just backing and going forward to shuttle cars.
*_i like trains_*
Great video, things you never think about.
Robert
I liked that 'repair job' on the coal car at 8:33 LOL
There's a hill in Florida!?!
There are some hills in Florida that are 300 feet high in Central Florida
Millenniumforce we have some over 11,000 feet and the train has np.
Millenniumforce 300 ft. you say?
Anon Omous in north walton county in nw florida is the highest point in florida at 325 ft.
Janice Reeser
the official elevation in lakeland is 197 ft
There are hills in FL?
YES!!!!
I been to Florida yes
***** I live in FL :P
+warmfreeze you must not go outside much then.
Florida Panhandle Railfan Ive been to every state except Alaska.. so yes.. i go outside :)
Thank you for your comment! Everyone thinks Florida is FLAT it is not!! Thank you for your comment!
Nice catch!!! A C30-7, a dash 9, another C30-7, then another dash 9, plus all of the other action!!! Ill say it again nice catch
If the train was rolling backwards down the hill, wouldn't the brakes be on? Since it is a single track, how can they get the helper engines behind it if the Amtrack train is behind it?
Late reply, but its better than nothing.. They could have backed the Amtrak to a siding or something, since it was already horrendously delayed
Push with the Amtrak engine. I was a conductor, I pushed many trains over hills. You use what ever is behind you.
Chris Collins Silver Star usually has 2 engines on train at this locale and 9-11 passenger cars.
There could be other spurs running off this track or even a railroad yard behind him somewhere. Lot's of ways to get engine behind a train.
Engines probably came down from Taft Yard (south of Orlando), about an hour northeast of this spot.
Very little like 2%
One of the railroad guys was standing a few feet away and I could hear everything they were talking about.
Nice video Millenniumforce! You just pick the perfect time to catch good railroad moments. As the the comments about how close the Amtrak train was to allow the pusher engines to get behind the load. There is a switch about 10 miles near the Fish Hatchery Road and goes under East Memorial Blvd. The extra CSX engines could of came from there.
Wonder how the engineer/conductor felt when they got back to the station. "The ONE HILL in Florida and you two couldnt make it up! On top of that we had to send help!" Im sure they wont be able to hear the last of that one till someone else does something.
+Vic Reece Thats funny shit..
I'd hate to be the guy stuck at a train crossing while this was happening!
Max Silverstone same I'd be pissed
Awesome video keep up with a great work and be safe out there.
Cool video. The captions and you talking about what was happening made it better. I will watch it again :)
How many crossings were blocked? I think 2: Ingram ave and Massachusetts ave.
get that doughnut out of the way
I love the way people get all excited about emergency brakes. The name is probably the most exciting part of it because in reality, you get the same braking force as a full service application (the air simply vents faster which can cause run in and buff forces). The other thing worth noting isn't all that rare - in shunting yards it's often used quite a bit.
Thank you for your videos.
Isn't ther silver star ALWAYS late?
I know virtually nothing about trains and even I can tell that is not a slip but a back and switch. He would have applied brakes immediately if he was actually slipping. Stop trying to be a drama queen where none exists.
Good video. For those of us that work the industry...good video. Happens often enough.
I live next door in Winter Haven and what an excellent video :)
YES! THE TRAIN MADE IT!
This consist isnt "slipping"
Amtrak was about 1/2 mile behind him in the next block signal and there was another line that connected to the other after the signal. So the extra engines came from the other spur before Amtrak and behind the Freight.
Yes it sure did.
Does this really need live commentary?
I don't think Lake Land Florida is known for it's hills... He's backing up and switching.
Its a hill right there from the Bus Terminal to the Amtrak station. You just cant see it but its there
+Steven Gunn I see it when I am there
+Millenniumforce Its pretty steep and you can feel it when walking by it on the sidewalk they have by the terminal
Lakeland has a major hill (for the line). Q604 was once stuck too.
A big freight like this wouldn't be switching in the middle of the single track main.
Great Video! Those engines pulling that csx train must have been getting a workout!
great catch alan . man that train had some beat up cars . great audio
Note to self CSX of Florida: raise freight train speed limit in these areas to, umm... maybe 45mph
Sam Jacobson no to like 70
Speed limit through here is 60 mph and on the Y, speed limit is 30 mph.
(Insert troublesome trucks song when the train is slipping here)
Great catch. Four of us SFL railfans were way west of you. This is K996 for Tampa from Miami.
LOL This big bellied guy did a whole coach car before rush hour to a train that went from the Jersey Shore to New York City back in 1985. It was a huge work of art. But while the train was in New York they sanded down the whole car before it came back at PM rush hour.
Lakeland florida doesn't have hills.
Ever been to Lakeland?
It sure does! Think again ;)
I feel sorry for anyone at car crossings waiting for it!!!
It doesn't excuse it, but maybe it does explain why so many people risk their necks to cross a line before the train.
There are a lot more crossings in Lakeland that are close to each other and the station is very long, about 500 to 1000 feet in length.
That great video and interesting thanks for sharing with us keep them coming
I wondered "what the hell's He talking about" ? "LOL" Then: I couldn't believe my eyes ! "absol. unreal" !! .... GREAT CLIP !!!
Thanks!! I just checked out your channel and subscribed.
Something isn't right here. If they stalled first time it was one hell of a piss poor engineer that would let it roll backwards that far before setting up the air brakes. Also once they "back up to take a run at it" There's no way if it was steep enough to stall in the first place they would be accelerating so fast up the second go unless they turned a isolated locomotive online or something. Also there's no way they would back up that far if there was any chance of hitting a amtrak behind them. They would have some sort of signal or work authority to do so which would specify how much room they had clear of the amtrak, i.e. no chance of collision.
Good Point Of View. thank you for your comment
I like the way you get in front of the camera and let us know what's going on. Seeing a train stop and slowly back up meant nothing until you told us that it was slipping back, that the engineer was struggling, and later that other engines were coming. That's what makes your videos interesting. I also like the fact that you keep it concise and to the point, and not ramble on. Keep up the good work.
Everybody be nice now!! I am going to Key West and Miami this weekend to film. I will be riding on Tri Rail from West Palm Beach to Miami. $5.00 all day riding. Will post before Thanksgiving.
That's why their catchphrase is 'The Way Tomorrow Moves' they get the train going, then go backwards and 'maybe' tomorrow it will move. lol. Just kidding. Great catch, kinda scary to see it go backwards out of control...especially with Amtrak behind them...
Stunning video quality.
Alan Great job as usual Thank you
Yes this is my job!! I get paid several hundred dollars a month to list these movies. Filming and youtube is my work.
I agree with the grandstanding title!! When I saw that helper locomotives came in behind and that this was single track mainline I was wondering how the locomotives go in with Amtrak right behind.
Thank you for your valuable comment
I like the Rag in the side of one of the cars lmao... Nice patch job cheap skates
great video, thank you for putting it up here. In my country the length of the train would be a national record.
Nice catch keep up the good work
Excellent Catch!!
To much slack!! The Amtrak Station Master Said That Some Of It Was Slipping In The Beginning
Thank you very much
Great video
I agree, he’s not slipping. I also do not believe he was bunching his slack. Typically a 100 car train only has about 50’ of slack, or about one car length. I’d say he’s backing into a siding to pick up his helpers. Most railroads use remotely operated distributed power now, so there probably wasn’t another crew on the helpers. That’s probably why he had to back onto his helpers. Once they cut in the helpers, they had to link the DPU, perform their continuity and air tests before getting under way. Very time consuming delay ahead of an Amtrak.
Nice catch!
How do you know they were not backing and dropping cars off into a siding?
Is there a grade that steep to cause this?
Normally the railroad knows how heavy the train and how many engines are needed.
great footage of what we brits call a "banker engine nice to see it
Glad the teain made it off in time for the Amtyrack to pass by.Good Video,Dude!
I'm just so used to calling it that because there is a coal train that passes my home every day going to a power plant
Is that what wheel slip looks like? just crazy! Oh and I like your youtube shirt & hat too!