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Pathfinder M40 Compared to Swedish M40
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- I compare my Pathfinder M40 cook set to the original Swedish M40 mess kit.
My Pathfinder M40 videos:
• A look at my new PFM40...
• Pathfinder M40 Cook Se...
• Pathfinder M40 Cook Se...
Military vs civilian Trangia burner:
• Has the Trangia Spirit...
Great Swedish Mess Kit History video by Military Junk's channel
• Mess kits and stoves
Pathfinder Store:
www.selfrelian...
Ouch! The price went up, I'm glad I got mine when I did.
I've had 3 of these, both aluminium and stailess. You can still find them quite cheap here in Sweden. It's really a hit or miss on how stiff the handle is, depends on usage I guess. Would still recommend the alu one though, the weight difference is HUGE. But I love this thing! It's incredibly versatile, works with all kinds of fuel and can cook for several people if necessary. Always comes back to this set and can't recommend it enough.
Fun side note: In Sweden this set is called "snuskburken", translated to "the filth can".
An interesting factoid is that the pathfinder stainless pot set is a replica of the original aluminum pot set. The original stainless m40 large pot has only one of those lines at the top of the pot. I asked Dave why this was on FB. He replied that he didn’t want to send his stainless set off for prototyping in case he never got it back. It really makes no difference practically speaking.
I noticed that too right off the bat. He should have called it the M44.
The bale handle is slightly different between the Swedish aluminium and stainless steel versions, squared off in the steel version, rounded in the aluminum version.
He didn't want to send his steel one 😂😂😂
@@robertbrannan9375I wouldn’t either.
@@clivedunning4317: I have heard this, and have seen photos of the squared handle. However, I have the stainless version with a rounded handle. So both types of handles must have been made for the stainless version.
You have a model 44; the steel one is the model 40. The SS wind screen is an improvement; you can now burn wood in it without burning the paint off the aluminum. I'm going to get one from Dave. Thanks for the review.
Stainless steel is it difficult to punch mold. Aluminum done fast enough it will almost become more malleable than stainless. Great video dude loved it !!
The aluminum gets softer over time when you're cooking in it
the stainless is more durable and will hold its shape no matter how many times you cook in it..
Bought a few of these back in the day when Sportsman's guide was selling them Two for $20, or something like that. And yes, both included the Trangia Stove & Fuel Bottles. One was Aluminum, and the other was Stainless.
The handle mount on the pot are riveted on the original, but spot welded on the Pathfinder.
This guy loves his cook set, rubbing it up like Alladin's lamp. 😂
I bought two of these for £12.50 each about 12 years ago, recently sold them for £96 each, daft prices, excellent stoves but well over priced now. I stopped carrying them a good while back, I use a lighter cook system nowadays.
Thanks for picking up on the tightness with pan & windscreen/stand. I bought the Pathfinder set & really like it. Thank you for sharing👍
I used the trangia mini cook kit, could not find one of these in very good shape. Very pleased with the purchase.
the supply of the originals is so short now that surplus dealers here in UK are supplying sets made up of genuine Swedish windshields burner and fuel bottle together with whatever mess kit they can get hold of apparently mostly Hungarian and Polish, a few make package up with easier to obtain Colld War era West (Bundeswehr) German and East (NVA) army mess kits
yes, I noticed that too. I still see eBay post for just the windshield, burner and bottle, for some reason they are more plentiful than the pots. The Pathfinder kit is great for those that missed out on the Swedish kits.
Really interesting comparison. Thank you! I have one of these in my storage unit. Im going to take it out and use it again. It’s been awhile. 🎉
To me, the differences between the two are miniscule and would easily be adjusted so the parts between them are interchangeable with no problems.
Really enjoyed the comparison. I have the complete aluminum one and just ordered th pathfinder one today. Thank you
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A nice comparison to help one make an informed decision should one wish to purchase either of the sets.
Dave Canterbury appears to have hit a 'sweet spot' in that one can now get a good replica at a reasonable price.
Some will 'chirp' at the weight of the set, but for them, there are more than enough other Cook Sets out there .. Titanium and such.
One advantage Stainless Steel has over Aluminium, besides robustness, is keeping the inside of the pot clean .. stuck on 'burn' 🙄. I personally do not have too many hassles with my Aluminium Cookware since summitting the 'heat control and regular stirring of the pot contents' learning curve 😁.
A good share .. thanks. Take care ..
I think Pathfinder has to update the 2 quart bushpot stove for trangia. Combining the 2 pot designs.
Yes getting in early paid off. I was able to pick 3 up for $15. Sold the other 2 for $10 and $15.
Excellent comparison. Thank you for sharing. Cheers.
스웨덴 푸드 컨테이너 2개 제품이 정말 좋은 제품 인것 같아요
I never was a canteen cooking kind of guy, but Dave's reproduction M40 made me want to get a set.
I'd be interested in seeing how they perform under use since aluminum expands and contracts a lot more than stainless steel and how the clean-up will be.
I still have an original in ss. Trust me there are better kit to carry that are lighter and smaller. I used mine just once in the bush.
And you can see how much problems you have with them. One bonus?you definitely scare all the bears away
@@markwalker4485 Not the quietest of kits if one wants to maintain a low profile 😏.
Agreed. I use something smaller that holds a naptha stove in it. Just like the old days when a stove could fit in a tobacco tin. I’m not selling anything but the tobacco tine was about the size of a medium coffee tin. It was called I believe the Colman peak one. I have always used something different @@thomasmusso1147
Whats a better mess kit?
I have the Swedish stainless mess kit, the pot holder definitely isn't stainless. It's good but it's heavy , I mainly use a French replica nesting mess kit, much lighter.
I have the original m40 stainless, and the material is thicker and much more dense (bulletproof) than the pathfinder reproduction. That makes it heavier of course, but absolutely no wobbliness and you get the feeling that it's indestructible, you can use it in the field carelessly and under the most demanding conditions. In order for the modern reproduction to hit the same standards, they would have had to sell at a much higher price, so they had to draw the line and compromise (I am not criticising here, as some folks would also complain at the heaviness, etc.). Also, the original m40 spirits burner is in a league of its own, much more robust and with more capacity than the regular Trangia: it's a pleasure to use, like the rest of the kit. All in all, I think It's great to have the modern reproduction, but it's not a match for the original m40 and it provides a very difference experience IMHO.
The original is definitely a better made kit but sadly the originals are now hard to find and expensive. A few years ago when I got my M44 I don't recall seeing any of the M40s. I suspect that my M44 since it doesn't have the Three Crowns stamped in is ether a reproduction or maybe old stock left over after the Swedish army discontinued using them.
@@planetsideagent yep, I paid 200€ on ebay last year for an M40. I took it as pay once cry once, as they say.
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Holy cow, are they so expensive in the USA? I think I paid about 20 euros for mine 10 or 15 years ago and it's the stainless version. But of course I live in Finland, Sweden is our neighbouring country. There was a lot of Swedish military surplus for sale here real cheap back then. It's a great kit, though a little on the heavy side, very high quality and reliable.
I suspect that prices in your part of the world have also gone up. I'd be interested to know. Shipping from over there is also expensive, most items I've seen on eBay are asking around $22 for shipping, ouch.
I have two reservations about this sort of gear.
The first is: No one ever clarifies just what this sort of gear is intended to accomplish. To my eye, it seems more intended for collecting portions in the chow line, rather than actually cooking.
As for cooking, I'd want very different gear, and I'd want it designed to accommodate the irregular heat produced by nearly every camp stove. I'd also want some INSULATED, sealed storage for carrying wet food (say, as it soaks up hot water) and a reasonable pouring lip for pouring water for coffee, etc.
We're talking entirely different design and materials. Say, titanium with aluminum "sandwich" bottoms. Snug lids. Non-reflective finishes. Non-stick on the inside.
The second is the matter of transport. Face it -- even this kit takes up quite a bit of space in your pack. There's the need to accommodate different heat sources. A shape that facilitates packing -- perhaps even a custom MOLLE pouch, so you can hang it on the outside of your pack.
Some folks just love to collect and use military mess kits. There are many UA-cam channels that have videos on the subject. I agree that most mess kits were not designed for cooking but going through a chow line.
Military mess kits are also popular because back when I was young dedicated outdoor cook sets and gear were rare and expensive and military surplus gear was cheaper and easier to find.
Pathfinder does carry a dedicated molle bag for their M40:
www.selfrelianceoutfitters.com/products/pathfinder-molle-bag
Got my stainless steel original a couple of years ago. Used, but in good condition, for 35 Swedish kronor (Roughly 3.5$).
I have an original one in aluminum and one In stainless had them for decades
I actually sold off my original aluminum and stainless version gave someone a nice deal on the stainless. Didn’t really care much.
Got rid of them for the one Dave came out with because something with the original. A you would thing it wouldn’t being metal a stainless at that.
But I would refuse to make anything out of it due to. Both. Actually originally bought 2 original stainless and two aluminum.
But something with them they had a funky old funky kinda small. No matter how I cleaned the pots on them. They had some funky smell kinda a metal an age smell or something.
But enough that I wouldn’t make any food out of them.
I should have hung onto the stainless one just to have hung onto it. It was a beautiful kit. Was like new/old stock and was t used.
But the kit Dave made is really nice. There’s no paint the windscreen is stainless also which is a plus.
But the damn smell each one of them had. An that was 4 different ones. All had it
Great video 👍
Weight of them both compared?
The Pathfinder is 34oz, my Swedish M40 is aluminum, I haven't weighted it but its much lighter. I didn't talk about weight because it would be an 'apples and oranges' comparison. I suspect the Swedish Stainless would weight about the same.
@@planetsideagentit's odd that the spec weight on the Swedish M40 is over 1000 grams but the pathfinder M40 is 860 grams. In the video, the Swedish kit looks lighter and I have to wonder if the original Swedish kit spec included the fuel weight.
Good review
I can't believe I watched this video for those differences.
😄, true, they are identical. Some folks just need to see a side by side comparison, especially before spending the money.
I got my Swedish m40 kit over 25 years ago, paid less than ten bucks for it.
You lucked out, I remember watching videos on the kit and going for $10, by the time I started looking they were $40+, now crazy high.
I bought 3 of the Swiss volcano stove kits, the ones with the cup, bottle, and cooker for 3.33 each, I sure miss those days, I'm turning one into a mini water distiller, the copper tube wraps around the whole unit, and fits in a condor water bottle pouch. Just need some high temp corks, and bend a clip to secure it.
Cool idea. You might look for the type of stopper used in chemistry labs.
You don't needs to grind off - the heat will expand out on 6:39, or just pull it out a bit it will snug well, not thing beet the military stuff, they made a light weight to care a round, the stainless steel even use last longer, but it heavy, if you has been in the military you will understand .
riveted handle on original, spot welded on pathfinder
Cool kit
Nice video. Now can you make a pizza in it? Just kidding. Loving the channel.
Actually you can make a pizza;
ua-cam.com/video/7KjhmHjaSx4/v-deo.htmlsi=7WAsr99Q0v5WxOOD
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Aluminum is more expensive than stainless lighter too
I bought my Swedish mess kit off a collector many years ago, I still use it today and it's held up wonderfully. I'm guessing the Pathfinder version is made in China?
Yep, China. That's why its $60 and not $160. 🙂
To save time, they're the same.
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The maximum working temp of aluminum is 482F and it is unsuitable for acidic foods (e.g. containing tomato, vinegar, lemon juice, hot sauce, etc.)
The maximum working temp of pathfinder 304 stainless steel is 900F and it is rated for acidic foods.
304 has five times the heat capacity of aluminum while aluminum has a higher thermal conductivity than 304.
Stainless steel is superior for hygiene which is why it is preferred for food processing and medical preparations.
The pathfinder will have a significantly longer service life compared to theTrangia for the same conditions.
I got one of these back in 2015 in aluminum. I was very impressed, especially the size seems to produce an ample amount of food for an anti-liberal/WOKE weenie, full grown, hungry, outdoorsman with a hearty appetite. I was so impressed, I bought one of the stainless M40s as well in 2017. With this kit, an aftermarket lid and descent frying pan, with Trangia stove, one has a complete outdoor kitchen.
Damn shame those liberal/woke Swedes stopped making the originals eh?
Yes sir nice anadised vs bare...
how do they compare when cooking? can you use a different type of heat sourse?
I haven't cooked in them but I would think the same as any other aluminum or stainless steel pot.
Solid and gel fuel should work fine as long as you put them on something so they're closer to the pot bottom.
You would have to do a lot of monkeying around to use gas, I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.
Pathfinder made in ?????
China, that's why its $60 and not $160+ 🙂
Does anyone know if an Svea 123 stove will fit in when it is closed?
Yes, I just checked, the top of the 123 with the cup is even with the top of the pot. It will sit a little to the side so you have room for some stuff.
@@planetsideagent Thanks. I have several 123s which are like old friends. They have served me well for five decades. I tend to do more car camping, and less backpacking than I used to. But still try to keep things to a minimum.
Sorry dude got fed up with your hands tapping patting moving re positioning them every second.
Tactile stuff
Yes, I've had that comment before, I'll have to work on that.
Thanks for the feedback.
Nice response,really enjoyed the comparison.
I've got one of those but was told it was German
It sounds like you got a German mess tin with the Swedish windscreen ,burner and bottle.
I've seen a lot of those for sale on eBay
@@planetsideagent I picked it up at a gun show in the mid 90s. It has the lower pot, wind screen, upper frying pan/bowl, bottle and a alcohol burner. I used it a few time when I used to hunt but later switched to an canned heat type heater used by backpackers. I still have it and use the frying pan part from time to time.
A lot of non needed opinion and comments
EXACTLY!!!
Which you didn't HAVE to watch so your point is . . . ?
made in China and stamped pathfinder $$$$
Dave C. has a detailed video of why stuff is made in China. Americans sold their souls long ago to the dollar, and now people are complaining about it. I have this kit and it's very well made and very affordable. It will last your lifetime and more. I hate that it's made in China but it is NOT junk.
Your constantly playing with the cook sets is incredibly annoying.
I'll have to work on that.
You talk too much
You're splitting hairs. Nothing that a drill and a grinder can't fix.
Yep, I did grind the pot stand and it works great now. 🙂