Star Trek: Voyager: 75 years is a lot of Anomalies. (Remastered)
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
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Stam Fine Reviews one of Time Magazine's 15 worst Star Trek series ever, Star Trek Voyager was the little ship that could. Maybe. A Federation Crew melded with some Maquis rebels cast 75 years from home and a series that seemed to show that journey in real time. What exactly is Tom Paris?
Note: This is a Remastered and Extended version of one of our very earliest videos. The commentary is the same, with some additional segments.
0:00 Introduction
1:13 Voyager
03:44 The Crew
15:33 Villains
17:06 Trying to break free
20:20 Highs and lows
22:43 Better
23:35 Re-evaluating Voyager - Розваги
Poor old Voyager gets a lot of hate. Personally, I like it.
who said that?
Snore-ager.
I’ve got a soft spot in my heart for it too. Mostly because it was the first Star Trek series I watched. (Though TBH, soon as I discovered reruns of Next Generation, I switched my loyalty over to that one immediately.)
I agree, i tend to like it more than DS9.
Voyager is a masterpiece compared to every thing "Star Trek" that came afterwards.
Voyager keeps getting better because new shows keep lowering the bar.
You shouldn't base your standards of one show on your hatred of another. Judge Voyager on its own merits. Personally I couldn't stand it, and any number of terrible new shows doesn't improve it.
I thought Abrams shite movies was the low, now we have picard and Discovery.
Too right
I fell asleep watching his movies. Never finished and never had the desire to try and finish.
@@johnmat4678Season 1 of Picard, I kept turning it off halfway through episodes. Forced myself to watch all of season 1. The next 2 seasons can go to hell.
"Off-brand Klingons, the kind you would get in Aldi"...hahaha, this is brilliant!
It's what we call a low hanging fruit joke!
Yeah, very good joke.
I've been calling them discount Klingons myself. Even the cast at the time hated them as villains.
@@colors6692you’re what we call a low hanging fruit person
Jennifer Lien's story was tragic. She clearly had a lot of demons, but was also one of the better actors in the original cast line-up, as well as possibly the most compelling character. Kate Mulgrew admits openly that some of her famous hostility to Jeri Ryan on set came from a feeling that the producers hadn't done enough for Lien, and had simply 'traded up' for another model.
I blame Tom Paris. The dick.
Kate Mulgrew was suffering from the “Shatner Effect”. During the initial run of the original series, Shatner was extremely annoyed that Leonard Nimoy was getting much more fan mail than he was. Mulgrew says the firing of Jennifer Lien was a part of her animosity toward Jeri Ryan, but the bigger issue was all the press attention Ryan was getting as well as how many episodes were essentially about Seven of Nine. Producer and writer Brannon Braga and Jeri Ryan began a romantic relationship some time during Season 5 and Braga pretty much ordered Mulgrew to stop acting like a bitch diva toward Jeri… which apparently worked and made the set tolerable for Ryan for the rest of the series.
Voyager was always my favorite Star Trek growing up in a house in the 90s where every evening felt like we were watching one of three Star Trek shows. I was always more excited and interested in Voyager as a child and adult and I still love it. It was the first show I saw with a women in a position of power and I loved that. I was terrified of the Borg as a child (still am to tell the truth). Also I had a crush on Tom Paris and no one can change my my mind on that. Voyager always felt like it was higher stakes to me because they were on their own far from home with no help from the federation. This will always be my favorite of the franchise.
I have always loved Voyager as a successor to TNG, it became really good once 7 of 9 joined.
Every episode about The Doctor was amazing. Just watch those.
The one where he becomes a singing superstar on a planet that's never heard music is probably my favourite Voyager episode.
When it aired in the 90s, I was a poor kid without access to tv stations that ran it in my country. In the 2000s I forgot about it, in the 2010s I evaded it so I wouldn't get dissappointed. Then in 2020 Picard launched and after seeing it I was sure that no other show can dissappoint me this much. So I finally watched Voyager, 25 years after I was so excited for it as a kid. And... it was great! Sure, some things stink here and there. Some episodes are boring or stupid. But some are amazing! And that joyful 90s philosophy oozes from every frame! It's so hopeful, so cozy. It's Star Trek! I'm so glad that I finally watched it. It's like getting into a time machine, away from bleak sci fi we're getting today. Also I gotta admit I love Neelix. He's a space-holocaust survivor with severe PTSD that he hides behind a big dumb smile and he battles through every day, despite being made fun of and all. What a brave soul!
Great fun Show! Every time the hologram doctor was on screen was absolute gold. such a great character.
"Tom Paris is a Dick." Best takeaway line.
My brother in law is called Tom Paris! Guess what my new ring tone is!!!! 🖖 😁
haha!
Disagree, I love Voyager. I watched it when it first aired on UPN during its first run. Rick Berman did a fantastic job on Star Trek.
Fair enough. Voyager has its share of fans. I'd bet there are even more now than when it was first on the air.
@@StamFine You're probably right about the Fandom for Voyager growing, just like I did for DS9 and even Enterprise, which I also enjoyed minus the theme when it first aired on UPN.
i really loved the "void" episode where janeway looks to the federation charter as a solution to their problems. i feel is one of the best ep's of all the star treks honestly. really good science fiction deals more with philosophy than any technobabble jargon solution
When they can do the human drama right, it often ends up in a classic episode.
“Tom Paris Is A Dick” 😂💯😂
Voyager may be my least favorite Star Trek, but it's still Star Trek and I still love it. It's still better than 99% of the crap on TV, both in the 90s and today. That being said, I gotta disagree with your assessment of "The Thaw." I really enjoyed it. I found Fear to be a wonderful antagonist.
Still better than Discovery and Picard
Yuuup.
Like comparing sh1t to diarrhea.
Voyager is easily my favorite ST show. It came along during a very difficult time in my life and it was a bright spot for me. I will always have a special place in my heart for the series. 7 and the Doctor are also the best characters in the entire ST Canon
I loved The Thaw. It had surrealism elements and was pretty creepy, The Chute was another fav of mine, kinda dark.
"The Thaw" is top half, if not top 20. An easier pick for most worthless episode might be "Twisted."
I happen to like Voyager alot! Love the Borg and the time travel. Love love love the episode where they go through the dead space!!!
Underrated. Voyager has by far the best scripts and specifically the most solid dialog of any Star Trek series. And I loved "The Thaw".
My opinion was I thought Voyager was mostly very good as I rewatched all episodes earlier this year. Actually Voyager fared well in reruns and ranks as one of the top 2 most watched Star Trek reruns along with TNG. Although there are some not great episodes (a number of them), there are at least a couple dozen or more excellent ones including Borg and Q episodes. The Year of Hell 2 parter was very good. The 3 characters that fans loved the most include the eccentric Doctor, Seven and Janeway, and good secondary characters of Tuvok, and Harry, and Paris and Belana stories (like in the "race" episode). Chakoutay was mostly not used enough (which the actor also complained) and is no Riker for a second in command. However, he does have a few good episodes (not many). Neelix was not that well liked by some fans, as mostly served as comic relief and was irritating at times, but was okay in some episodes that were better written. If I compared Voyager to the new Discovery show, I would rather watch Voyager, maybe because I liked the TNG style writing. Strange New Worlds though, is excellent (finally a great new trek show). "Picard" is moderately good and includes Seven. Today's special effects and scenery are far superior no doubt. But you still need a good story. Sometimes the season long stories of Discovery drag on too much (I did not like the 10C aliens as they were too weird blobs with tentacles). Good to return to episodic format in SNW and focus on making each episode better when there are only 10 episodes, than having boring ones with a long season story arch of new trek. Enterprise has a great season 3 though.
I think the advantage of an episodic show is, if you *do* catch one of the boring episodes, there's a chance you'll like the totally new story next week. Whereas if you're doing a poorly paced serial and you don't like it, you're locked in for the whole season.
I actually enjoyed it seven of nine and the hologram doctor were well written characters
It was certainly behind the curve compared to TNG and DS9, but I still developed a genuine affection for most of the characters (especially the Holographic Doctor, who was ultimately a very well developed and interesting character) and it did have some genuine high points during its story arcs, specifically species 8472 as a compelling threat to the might of the Borg, and was especially intriguing, if ultimately poorly developed in the long run. I certainly rate this series ahead of TOS and Star Trek Enterprise, and vastly superior to the new Discovery series, which IMHO shares very little DNA with the older shows.
Voyager was something that I didn't appreciate till years later. There's still a lot that could have been better, but that it holds up so well is great.
@@StamFine Me too. It didn't interest me at all until years later, perhaps when I realised the old Trek I knew was long gone, and never likely to return. For all its flaws, it is still part of the golden era of Trek, and has a style flavor and pace that definitely marks it as such.
I agree, the doctor was a Renaissance Man!
I really enjoy your vids, humor, and production.
Voyager was a great show !
Voyager suffered from Star Trek fatigue. Not fatigue in the fans. But fatigue in the writers and producers. 14 years of a series can be very draining, and its hard to keep it fresh. How can I miss you if you never go away. After 14 years of marriage - even though I still love you, the sexual drive diminishes greatly.
The story about Voyager’s “Native American” consultant who was a fraud is very interesting… “Akoocheemoya… we are far from the bones of our ancestors…” hahahaha!
Nice review. Having watched TNG through the first season of ENT while they came out on the air, I felt there was a feeling of Trek Fatigue in the franchise. VOY did play it safe being Trek-Lite, while DS9 delved into creating space opera. One can appreciate both depending on what mood you're in. Yes, Harry Kim did get the shaft, early on it seemed like Kim and Torres were going to be the pair. When Paris gets repromoted, Kim asks where's the box with the pip on his chair, only getting a dismissive look from Janeway. And he's not even the original Harry Kim!
Voyager probably has the most time travel episodes out of any ST series. Some of the good ones are Timeless and Relativity. Living Witness is a good Doctor/Alternate Crew episode. All in all, VOY got into so much time travel they ended the show with it, only to start fresh with Enterprise and the Temporal Cold War... oh yay, more time travel.
But yeah, while VOY is not really groundbreaking, it can be comfy. Again, Trek-Lite.
I rewatched Voyager a number of years ago, having only watch the episodes once when they first aired. It reminded me why I quit watching before the series ended. I think I gave up rewatching at about the same point, too. It was like getting back together with someone you broke up with and, after a few dates, you remember why you stopped calling them back in the first place.
Voyager is better in the second half, how much better is debatable and different for each viewer.
@@StamFine Once they got rid of that bland yet annoying 4 year old the cat was banging.
It’s impossible to remaster Voyager for HD, because it was shot on video instead of film. The effects were even created on video, of course in standard definition. You can’t add information where it wasn’t captured in the first place.
Two things: Janeway is a breen, obviously and Tuvix reminds me a whole lot of my refugee neighbor from algeria, not only because he also constantly has to fight "seperation" (deportation), but also because of his kind and gentle nature - heck they even kinda look alike.
Oh and: It really annoyed me, how in the early seasons, they were supposedly flying home as fast as possible, yet they keep meeting the same people (Seska et al.) - and they never ask her "how the hell can you already be here?!". It´s like the race between the hedgehog and the rabbit (if you know northern german folklore).
I like Tom👍 and love the show, dont take it seriously.
I my life I have found that "It takes one to know one". The ending really says a lot.
Love TNG (dull episodes withstanding) and adore DS9 but never had interest in Voyager. You've convinced me to give it all a watch :) Thanks
There's a lot to enjoy.
Voyager vastly improved from season 4 onwards. The early stuff with the Kazon, and episodes featuring Kes, Neelix and Chakotay were on the whole a bore fest for me. There are some really good later episodes.
I've ALWAYS loved Voyager despite the hate and jokes and criticism and YES the 1st 3 seasons were a bit bland on the FIRST viewing but after a couple rounds of those first 3 seasons I grew to LOVE those first 3 seasons. Can't explain that but that's exactly what happened.
And of course from Season 4 onward Voyager was ALWAYS excellent sci-fi TV and Trek lore.
great channel, I'm enjoying the content. Any thoughts on doing a Deep space 9 retrospective?
it's on the cards, but i'm working through some other Trek series first.
Sorry totally disagree. Two numbers make it awesome and worth watching, numbers 7 and 9.
Fair enough. She is one of the best things about the show.
I loved Babylon 5 but no seem all that excited about it. Can you review it and critique it?
I will definitely look at B5 at some point.
I really enjoyed Voyager, truly a masterpiece compared to discovery.
Enterprise is a masterpiece compared to Disco...
I've flushed things down the bog that were masterpieces compared to Discovery...
@@seppingtondestamina9398 YUP. I was going to say the exact same thing.
STD is certainly an apt way to describe it.
Picard is dreadful too.
This channel is so awsome. I fall asleep to this. I wish you could combine every sub Playlist into one massive one that I can just put on Shuffle and go to sleep too.
“Excited Puppy, Harry Kim” ‼️
The worst Star Trek series is not a choice between Voyager and Enterprise! Without a doubt, hands down, the worst Star Trek series is Discovery. It's an abomination that should not have the words Star Trek attached to it.
22:48 huh? "the Thaw" is for me one of the best episodes.
I have to disagree about The Thaw. It was a fantastic episode with one of the best endings in all of Trek.
Harry Kim started out as an Ensign and 7 years later was still an Ensign. That pretty much encompassed Voyagers character development. Its vanilla Trek. Nothing terrible, nothing memorable.
Was there much scope for promotion, it's not like they were taking in a regular supply of new recruits.
Yup. I think there's some episodes of VOY that are worth re-watching, especially after Seven joins the show, or from the doctor, but yeah, with the average episode I think it suffers the most of any Trek show of that era of playing it too safe. Nothing awful most of the time, but just kind of bland/vanilla.
@@lucasoheyze4597yes. But you can have an increase in rank without a promotion in job
Wow. That intro. Well done sir.
I could have done w/o Neelix. He was a poor man’s Quark which should tell you something.
The show that started by dropping the ball. "Lets set up for one thing and then do something totally different."
Come to think about it, that could be the slogan for the whole show and not just the instant disregard for the premiss they started with. The show and characters are written like it was that children's game where you write a story together without knowing what the others are writing.
Still like it though. It is like the comfy alternative you watch when you already seen all of TNG and DS9 but aren't ready to boldly go to Enterprise just yet.
Voyager was my fav trek by a long way but still fell short of real sci fi like Babylon 5.
B5 is garbage. It will always be garbage.
@@Christobanistan Your opinion. Not shared by many who like intelligent Sci fi.
@@minners71 Pppppt
@@Christobanistan Are you ok? Are you having a seizure ?
@@minners71 😳😳😳😳maybe
Mentioned about paramount not doing a hd version, did you see that guy on the UA-cam's who re-rendered some of the startrek intros in 4k? It's pretty neat maybe one day we'll get hd releases of em, enjoying the channel so far, narration reminds me of Atomic shrimp
They may need to spend the cash on a decent remaster to keep voyager and DS9 relevant in a HD and 4K world.
...... From what I heard it was shot in HD, but was easier to overlay CG at a lower resolution. So if it was to be remastered, all the special effects would need to be reproduced, (as for TOS). Business decision on economic return I assume ?
I really liked Voyager when it came out, mostly because of the premise of a small ship on an actual trek, or rather odyssey compared to a big cruise ship in mostly known space with a lot of back-up, plus I like that along with Janeway, Seven, the Doctor also Tuvok gets some praise here, Tim Russ portrayal along with Enterprise's focus on the Vulcans really got them grow on me. Sadly there weren't many other likeable and/or interesting characters (although Tom Paris might be a d***, as I heard once, I think he was entertaining) and yes, many anomalies and more techno babble solutions than even a Trek parodie, all in all the faults were more easily visible, since it didn't use that great premise very well (where do all the missing shuttles come from?), it was still an entertaining show and the Voyager a place you like to stay.
But I also saw DS9 after Voyager, in fact I saw it very late and, oh boy, the harsh critic of Voyager is understandable when this came after that, the show with the least intersting premise and alien species and making by far the most out of it, in many ways the polar opposite of Voyager. And while I have rewatched DS9 countless times till now, I didn't so much with Yoyager, I still like it but the already easily visible cracks basically blink red when watching it after DS9.
So it's not the best Trek has to offer, although when Voyager was good it was really good, but it certainly is not the worst, just go with it and enjoy the trip.
I liked Voyager when it came out. But I felt they really squandered their original premise, and the decision to not create any ongoing story arcs truly hurt the series overall. There were many episodes I absolutely loved, and some that left me scratching my head. I especially loved Seven and the Doctor. I felt they underwrote and certainly underused a number of their main characters. So as much as I liked it (and still hold a special fondness for it), it didn't hold a candle to TNG. But then years later, like you, I finally got around to watching DS9. I was blown away. I completely agree with you - how could they write Voyager the way they did after creating a masterpiece like DS9? To see the crew and the ship nearly destroyed one episode, and 'Poof!' everything's magically reset at the start of the next episode, instead of showing the crew dealing with the trauma or in dire need of supplies to repair the ship. Remember when Harry died and the other Harry took his place? How interesting would it have been to show the rest of the crew dealing with the grief of their friend, while trying to accept this other Harry. And his own realization that his own crew was dead. But no, everything reset again by the next episode. Apparently 'The Year of Hell' was originally conceived to last an entire season. That would have been amazing! Instead, it was played-out over two episodes. Anyhow, I'll stop ranting. I'll always like Voyager, but I would've loved to have seen what it could have been if the right people had been making the creative choices.
Chaotica was great. I want more Captain Proton
I enjoyed Voyager back in the day. Kate Mulgrew was known before Mrs. Columbo: she was the original (and best) Mary Ryan Finelli on the soap opera Ryan's Hope.
I also thought Kes was fine. She didn't necessarily have to be a main character: she could have been recurring as the Doctor's nurse, since the two actors had a good chemistry. As for the age thing, people should stop thinking that a 2-year-old Ocampan is the same as a 2-year-old human.
I did get kind of bored once it became The Doctor and Seven of Nine Show.
Neelix often gets the worst character prize, but my personal one was Seven of Nine, i just found the whole concept absurd, i mean, at what point does assimillation become irreversible? In the film, Star Trek, First Contact, Picard tells his crew to kill any crew members who are being assimillated, "you would be doing the a favour", he says. Seven was assimillated as a child, yet in justa few episodes, she is transformed into a Borg babe, and the show just never recovers from this.
They did Ensign Kim so dirty
Ok, well today I Iearned people didn't like Voyager. Personally I loved it, all the way through. It may seem bland, but a deeper look shows it has a surprising amount of heart, intriguing plots and all round good acting. Some cracking episodes are sprinkled throughout, like Future's End, Scorpion, the finale...amd many more
A buddy of mine became a huge ST fanboy from initially watching Voyager with me a couple of times lol
Jeri Ryan for the win. It holds up well.
Though Tom Jackson denies it, I remember a news item back when STV was just starting production that he was being cast as Chakotay. With him and Bujold in leading roles I thought this would be a Canadian ship - Star Trek: Voyageur.
Voyage-eh?
Sorry Stam if you have done one but I have not seen it yet, but from your comments here it seems the review of Enterprise will not be flattering. As a authentic trek fan I object to any major negative response to this series. yes the first two seasons have bad episodes, but so does every other trek series. Yes the series finale is a abomination, but the series overall stands up alongside any of the others. I think Jolene Blalock is very comparable to 7of9 and in some ways she pulls off the character better than Jeri Ryan does. Do not forget that most of Seven's major episodes were helped due to the Borg being involved in some way. Blalock had to act as the naysayer (which got tiresome), and she was always being asked by Archer if she recognised a vessel and even though Vulcans were supposed to have basically travelled to every planet which had space travelling species, 99% of the time she said she had no idea of the vessels design. She had to overcome that and Jolene Blalock does it so well by the end of the series she is now known as one of the best popular Vulcans throughout the franchise.
We have done a video on Enterprise, but if any criticism of the show stings, then you probably won’t like it.
Jolene Blalock is hot but nowhere the actress Jeri Ryan was/is.
I loved the never ending supply of shuttles. Had fun watching it but wish it had a bit more DS9/BSG feel. Maybe what I wanted was RDM to write and manage the show.
I suspect the Kazon were meant to be scummy Klingons, they didn't want them to be cool and relatable like Klingons..
Keep them bad guys and unlikeable
Bit too successful there.. :)
The Voyager crew had good banter, like a sassy office getting the work done and the anomalies explored..
Tuvok and the Doctor insulting Tom Paris is just always enjoyable..
Paramount/CBS keeps insisting on rehashing old content with a new twist to em. While I am interested in "Strange New World's" I would much rather see a BRAND NEW SHOW for christ's sake. They are other quadrants in space in Star Trek lore we have not seen. I dunno....Hell...A new "5 year mission" exploring the Gamma Quadrant or something. I dunno, Something NEW. Since they insist so much on rehashing old stuff? Make a show that picks up where Voyager left off, Throw in some DS9 and add a touch a New Generation, and see where that takes us... LOL
You have a gift and it's an hilarious turn of phrase. I related to your criticisms of this programme because I am a Trek fan but in spite of two attempts over the years, I couldn't hack this series past the first half of the first episode. Worse scripting ever.
Depending on the viewer, it either improves a little after the first few seasons or it doesn't.
I got all of them on my list on Netflix I didn't like "Deep Space Nine" that much but loved Voyager & Enterprise!👍
The one thing Stam Fine missed was the "Jamake Highwater scandal", where it turned out that Robert Beltran's advisor on playing a Native American was himself a fake Native American. Jack Marks (Jarmake Highwater), a writer and journalist, had been revealed as a false Native American in 1984, but Paramount hired him anyway in 1995 when the show was under development. That's why Chakotay is a blob of vague.
‘Year of hell’ stands alongside any of the best Trek episodes.
star trek voyager "Year Of Hell " episode was great
Year Of Hell could have been a full season to really flesh out the characters with some serialized TV, but having it be all undone by the end of it would have pissed a lot of people off.
When channel UPN initially started out not all TV sets were able to receive it all of the time. So half of the time missed an episode of Voyager because I couldn't get the network. So after a while I quit trying. The few episodes that I did see, I enjoyed watching. So I will hunt down the series on Netflix. Thanks for getting me interested again in Voyager.
Voyager is a good show!
I'm currently rewatching TOS, so it'll be a while before I get back to the Alpha Quadrant, I mean Voyager. Maybe I should be watching them in reverse so the shows keep getting better?
Is Voyager the worst Star Trek?
Definitively answered in 2017.
Lol voyager was probably my favourite trek series. I found ds9 very boring until the last few seasons
It was my favorite Star Trek series, from season 4 on. You have a weird dislike of it.
Voyager was not a fondly remembered show at the time. The video points out how it’s been re-evaluated by audiences (and me).
@@StamFine It lasted 7 seasons. I remember the controversy when DS9 was cancelled but Voyager went on. The studio responded saying Voyager had better ratings.
@@StamFine TNG, DS9 and Voyager all had haters in the beginning and then grew to be loved over the years. I'd rather watch those 3 over Enterprise, Discovery or Picard.
@@illuminotme825 spot the paradox in this comment.
@@Christobanistan Err, DS9 had 7 seasons just like Voyager. I don't remember ever hearing about any talk that DS9 should go on for longer, back then 7 seasons was just the standard length for a Star Trek show wasn't it? At least, that's how I recall it.
I had the great privilege of seeing Jerry Goldsmith at the Royal Albert Hall perform the Voyager theme with the London Symphony Orchestra.
It was so good it nearly made up for watching all 7 seasons of Voyager.
Voyager is still my favorite.
The brain magic "something-something-something-something" ... I've heard that kind of dialogue on STAR TREK shows (frequently on VOYAGER) typified as "Quantum? Quantum! Quantum? Quantum? Quantum!"
I love Voyager I remember watching that and TNG when i was in my teens loved Janeway and still do in the new Prodigy show
"No. A daughter -- one that looks just like you" 😬
Oh god. I read this, at the exact second it came up. That’s awful
Tom Paris Really Was A "Richard Abreviated" . . . Oops . . .
Voyager is just showing here in the UK, four episodes in, last nights episode was appalingly bad, Tom Paris is accused of murder on an alien world and has implants so he relives what he has done(that's a new one). The aliens are humanoid, and even have dog's, that's right, 70,000 light years in another galaxy, and they have dogs, i mean Star Trek TOS was often laughed at because every alien world was just like Earth, but that was 1969, haven't things moved on? I could go on and on about the lows of the series, so many missed opportunities, the potential conflict between the Starfleet crew and the Maquis for example, but instead they are in Starfleet uniforms by the end of the pilot.
Always prefered Voyager over TNG and DS9.😃
I like The Thaw!
.... In the top ten,
25:00 -- RE: Stand out episodes of Voyager -- My own personal favorite is season 6, episode 22, "Muse".
Kazons are evolved, sentient broccoli.
I finally started Voyager. Did not like it while in TV. I needed to watch the first few seasons on 1.5 speed to make it through.
Voyager was watchable after Seven of Nine came into the show (catsuit notwithstanding). For that It is better than Enterprise. Without Seven , it would have been worse than Enterprise.
For me it was the opposite, i couldn't stand the character.
Voyager had its issues. The reset after every episode. Overuse of the Borg and Q. Poor character development for Kim, Paris and Chakotay. But it also had quite a few really good episodes and some great characters. I could watch Picardo and Ryan any day. And speaking of good episodes, the one where the doctor's portable emitter has been lost for centuries on a planet coming out of a civil war was great. A Picardo episode, no surprise.
I realize entertainment is subjective. But you think “The Thaw” is the worst STV episode? I think it’s one of the best...certainly in the top five of the first three seasons. Think I’m nuts? Check out Jammer’s Reviews on it.
Check out Lorerunner review of it, he goes rather deep and I gotta admit he has some good points there.
The Thaw came across like something from the original Star Trek, which I loved. Janeway was more like Kirk than Picard and the early seasons in particular had plots that often reminded me more of TOS than TNG. That might be why it didn’t go over all that well with the audiences of the time.
@@sunspot42,
I hadn’t thought of that, but all of that sounds right. “The Thaw” really does have a TOS look and feel; likewise, Janeway incorporates a ton of the best parts or Kirk. Rational, nearly always at a slight remove from the crew, confidant, indomitable, highly competent, passionate, dedicated, and capable of engendering great loyalty. It’s so clear, I don’t know why it hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for that….
For me Voyager was the first Star Trek series I ever saw, I really like it but I’d really grew love Star Trek more once I saw the other series. But i think for a concept that could drive the show forward (ways to get back to the Alpha Quadrant) we got to see another chunk of the Star Trek Galaxy with a all around solid cast, the show compared to the others is certainly not as strong.
So I'm getting the impression Stam Tom Paris might be a... 😂
Voyager is the only Star Trek show I have watched from start to end. I was too young for the original and next gen and deep space I found boring. Voyager just hit my sweet spot.
Yep. I'm a weirdo. I loved Threshold AND The Thaw. I guess that means we can't be friends. ROFL
You must be the only one! Actually, I can kinda see how you can watch the start of it for MacNeill's performance, because he does really go for it. But, no "warp 11 means you're everywhere all at once" - I guess, the weird stuff happens to you after that is okay, but the ending is totally off the wall silly.
Best Doctor of all the series.
I wish I knew what you thought about Tom Paris.
Voyager is the best Star Trek show.
Any show that has Jeri Ryan in a skin-tight Lycra suit is okay in my book.
The only thing worse than Enterprise is probably Discovery.
I have to agree Voyager certainly ends well even with that 2 part episode.
I also agree it was disappointing that the two crews integrate instantly.
Enterprise is a masterpiece compared to STD.
Probably???????
@@jamesbizs only because I haven’t seen Discovery, but I’ve read and heard enough to for an opinion.
For me what made this unwatchable was Janeway.
Ugh
1. That voise sent shivers down my spine, and not in a good way
2. She came across as an HR manager, rather than a captian.
3. God she made some dumb decisions.
4. Her lizard soul mate thingy...umm..ok...switches off vows never to watch again.
5. The Borg ENOUGH ALREADY! Honestly. I'd rather rewatch Best of Both Worlds then see more and more incarnations of the Borg;
Instead we got star trek Voyager 😂😂😂