MD MEDICINE or MRCP UK? Medicine Training in UK vs INDIA| How to decide? Part 1/3
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Should you do MD Medicine or MRCPUK? What are the differences between Medicine Training and India and UK (IMT)? How to decide between the MRCPUK pathway and MD Medicine Pathway? What things you should consider before searching for medicine training jobs in the UK? What are the different steps of Medicine Training in the United Kingdom (often known as IMT)? In this 3 part video series, I plan to cover all these burning questions in your mind so that you are at a better position to decide between whether to do MD Medicine in India or pursue the MRCP in the UK. This video is Part-1 of the 3-video series of lectures I plan to do on this topic.
#mrcpuk #mdmedicine #pacesuk
Dr. Aparajita Roy
MBBS, MD, MRCP (London)
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CHAPTERS
0:00 MD Medicine or MRCP UK? Which one to choose?
1:34 Is MRCP UK equivalent to MD Medicine India?
3:47 Advantages of MRCP UK
5:23 Disadvantages of MRCP UK
6:21 Is MD Medicine compulsory before MRCP UK Degree?
8:13 Advantages of MD Medicine in the UK
9:01 DNB Training vs. MD Medicine to work in UK
9:36 Best possible qualification to work in UK as Doctor
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DISCLAIMER: Views expressed in this video based on personal experience and does not promote or suggest any career advice for you to come and work in the UK. You are advised to do due diligence on the career path you wish to choose before coming and working in the UK.
Hi, Such a great video. Thank you Ma'am for this new kinda analytical video series. Really helpful. :))
Many thanks Joshua!
Clear cut explanation and very informative.
Thank you so much Dr.Aparajita ma'am 🙏🏻😀
Many thanks Shubham!
Brilliant post Dr.Roy.
Many thanks for watching, please share with MRCP apsirants.
Very informative Dr.Aparajita.
Thank You.
Many thanks for watching, please share with other MRCP aspirants.
Hi Aparajita Great work truly impressive 👍
Many thanks for watching.Please share with other Mrcp aspirants.
Nice and informative.. thanks 😊
Many thanks for watching. Please share with other MRCP aspirants.
Impressive Presentation , Looking Forward To Your New Videos Please
Many thanks Naeem, please share with other MRCP aspirants.
as you said, with right strategy and right guidance MRCP is doable.
plz guide us with your videos or any course if you want us to join 🙏
Many thanks for watching!
Excellent video Doc. However, getting into MD/DNB Medicine has become very difficult in India considering it is a top branch (adding to that the new reservation policies)
True Bhavya.. and that is why preparation should be top notch.
Hii i am doing my mbbs from Hungary ad its European Union part so my plab exam is exempt but after 1 year of internship in uk
What steps i will have to follow to get a postgraduate seat for doing my md and then super speciality
And also what all exam ill have to face in this journey
If you can answer these ill be very grateful thanks,
Hi... I'm currently in the Plab pathway( giving plab 2 in May) but also giving MRCP part 1 next month hoping that it will give me some edge when I apply for non training fy2 jobs after getting GMC registration...
I'm also planning give to give part 2 written, later( if everything goes well)... Do you think I'm going in the right direction?
My ultimate aim is to get into a non-training job as quickly as possible...and then decide about which branch to specialize in...
Your videos are very very helpful... Any video regarding last minute tips for mrcp part 1 will be highly appreciated 😇
Hi Sudheer
I would say your plan is reasonable. PLAB will get you a GMC registration quicker than MRCP at this point and passing MRCP theories will definitely give you an edge in your job applications.
All the best for you exam.. Focus on your strengths. Anlayze your mock exams to idenitfy areas that may need some brushing up and work on time management.
Please add video on super speciality in India vs mrcp + CCT in uk
Definitely , keep watching.
Hi mam , thankyou for the video i have few doubts
1. Is it better to do plab after mbbs and pursue our career in london or is it better to do our MD in india and come to london through MRCP route ?
2.considering the clinical exposure and wide range of cases while doing MD in a govt clg in india , will there be same level of clinical exposure in london if we come there after our Mbbs through plab ?
Pls clarify both of my doubts mam because im an intern , im completely not able to decide whether to choose neet pg or plab
Hi Dinesha
This would depend on your long term goals. If you are looking for a long term career and training in the UK, then it is better to enter the system early.Learning opportunities are plenty in both countries but please remember that these experience are in keeping with the health care system that you are working in.
All the best
Aparajita
Hi ma'am. I'm confused between MD+MRCP and Plab. Since it's difficult to get a plab 1 seat, I was thinking of continuing my Neet pg preparation. What is your opinion?
Hi
You should never substitute MRCP with PLAB. Please watch this video where I have discussed this in detail
ua-cam.com/video/-NHshfh8gLw/v-deo.html
Hi aprajitha
This is Srikanth
I finished my MD in India and currently working as a consultant in a private hospital at my place .
While working I have finished my macp part 1 and 2 .. and recently I have cleared my OET also .
My paces application got rejected once … and also heard that paces is very difficult to crack in the first attempt. So I thought it’s better I work in Uk and then give my paces in Uk which helps me clearing the exam soon .
So my question now is : can I come to Uk and work there with my MD degree in India and clearing my MRCP part 1 and 2 and also my English exam ???
If so how can I apply Jobs only by just passing MRCP part 1 and 2 and English exam ???
Hi Srikanth
MTI is a perfect opportunity for you. Please watch this video for all the details:
ua-cam.com/video/DUzk3_7KrSQ/v-deo.html
Good explanations mam..How much time required for preparations as average student in mbbs to ace part 1 mrcp to get into uk after completing internship...
Is there any clinical xperience which we hav to get in india to ace mrcp 1 after mbbs..or is it advisable after md...
Neet pg vs mrcp part1 which is tougher..
Many saying low pass percentage to get into mrcp 1 into uk...
These were the questions which churns in the minds of aspirants mam...
U doing gud job.keep rocks...we waiting fr ur upcoming videos..
I am making more videos on these topics. So please keep watching this space.
EXCELLENT VIDEO,THANKS, PLEASE ADVICE 1 BOOK FOR MRCP 1 &1 BOOK MRCP2 IF POSSIBLE
Ma'am if we do IMT from india
Do we need to complete this training from any medicine hospital or any specific ?
Will RCP recognise our IMT training from india from any medicine hospital as equivalent as IMT from UK?
thank you for guiding us always
Hi Karan
Yes you can do IMT training in India. Video on this topic coming soon:)
Hello mam….hope you r well
I am mbbs student studying in Russia…and planning to go for plab but i have a ques. That they ask 1 year internship for gmc registration after plab 2 ..right…..in my case ..i have to do internship in India..and thats possible only after clearing fmge …..but i dont want to appear for fmge….how can i go directly for plab and gmc registration…..or this foundation year 1,2 is the same as internship there in uk?
Hi Vishal
Foundation year is similar to internship but in order to do that you would need GMC registration. So you would have to complete internship before that.
Hi doctor, Is MRCP valid without going to UK for training, suppose if I have completed by DNB family medicine and just take up 3 steps of mrcp exam, do I get a valid membership without moving to UK for IMT?
Yes, Aswathy. You can definitely do that.
Ma’am if we have completed MD medicine in India, can we work in UK as a physician directly after passing MRCP or do we need to undergo some sort of training?
You can start in a registrar or Locum consultant role. I am making a video on this soon. Please keep watching.
Will the GMC start recognising Indian postgraduate degrees like MD, DM and DNB? In my opinion they will not, since they stopped registering British MD and ChM (etc) degrees a couple of decades ago. These ceased being clinical qualifications after the war and have become purely research degrees which can be in a non-human scientific topic, but were restricted to people with a primary medical degree. It was an anomaly that medics who did a PhD could not put it on their registration certificate. Nowadays the GMC registers only primary medical qualifications like MB BS, and also the completion of training as a General Practitioner or Specialist.
Although they do not REGISTER MRCP (etc), they do take British higher qualifications into account when it comes to registering foreign medical graduates.
In earlier times the GMC used to inspect medical schools throughout the British Empire and they used to register Indian MD as well as MBBS and even MCPS and FCPS of Bombay. Their inspections caused a lot of resentment and Indian academics arranged their own inspection system in the 1930s. In the 1970s and later the GMC got around the problem of not inspecting foreign medical schools by introducing the TRAB and later the PLAB tests, along the lines of the various US tests for foreign medical graduates.
It sounds as if they are not going to count many foreign higher qualifications. While Britain was in the European Union the GMC was compelled to accept European medical qualifications held by European citizens, but since Brexit that may end. Or it may not, since the UK has had a shortage of doctors ever since the end of the war. European doctors might appear more acceptable to the far right than Asians and Africans, but in practice they hate all foreigners.
Before postgraduate training became properly organised in the 1980s and 1990s, the solution was, as in other countries and other industries, to bring in trained and qualified foreigners, refuse to recognise their qualifications and employ (pay) them at a lower level. This still happens with the "non-training" jobs: Staff Grade, Specialty Doctor or Trust Grades.
Thanks for sharing.
Very good video.As you have mentioned about MD allied specialities,eg MD Anaesthesia or MD Family Medicine,after which doing MRCP UK,will it add any extra perk for Corporate Sectors in India?
Also if someone plans to do DM post MD along with MRCP UK,will it have any add on advantage in Corporate Sector India or can he apply for good jobs in UAE with MD DM MRCP,liking to work his superspeciality field?
Hi Indraneel
Definitely .MRCP will open a lot of doors for you not only in Corporate sectors in India but also in the UK, Middle East, Ireland etc.
Thank you Maam
Hello doctor thank you so much for guiding us
Ma'am my question is, i have completed mbbs and i have 2 years clinical experience as junior resident in medicine department , currently I'm preparing for MRCP part 1 , so the question is ma'am once i clear all 3 steps (finger crossed) ,after that what level we could be recognised in UK is it At CT-3 level or we have to go from CT-1 level if i have to pursuing into IMT training, please clear this confusion thank you so much ma'am 🙏
Good question.
First, there is no CT 1or CT 2 anymore for medicine, this has been replaced by IMT1, IMT2 and IMT3. If you have completed MRCP and also have adequate clinical experience no match this, you will be comparable to IMT3, which means you don't have to enter IMT training. Having said that, as I have discussed in this video, clinical experience is the determinant of your level of hierarchy and not only MRCP exam.
Thank you so much for clearing this confusion! Looking forward for your upcoming videos and keep guiding us ,god bless you ma'am!🙏🌝
Hello Dr. Aparajita... Thanks for all the pain you take to make such amazing informative videos...
I have some queries...
1>Is the degree MRCP medicine is recognized by MCI/NMC in India after completion of all 3 steps of the exam? I have already a clinical experience of medicine(DNB FM) of about 6yrs and Critical care medicine (wth fellowship FCCCM)of about 5yrs...
2.with my above mentioned clinical experiences in India, if I do MRCP medicine, is it going to add value to my CV? Or what are the advantages, I may get in India. Is it going to be considered equivalent to MD medicine degree without IMT or CTT??
3.with this experiences and MRCP (if I get through, what position I can expect in UK or UAE?
Atlast, NMC/GMC recognition of MRCP in India is very important as I mentioned above, plz clearify on that in details. Lot of confusion on that....
Thank you🙏
Hi Bhaskar
With MRCP and the right clinical experience , you can get a registrar or even a locum consultant level job in the UK.
In India, MRCP adds a lot to your CV specially if you work in the private healthcare sector. Overall , this would be a good addition to your CV.
@@AceurMRCP thank you Dr. But I will be happy if you can clearify my question regarding MCI/NMC recognition of MRCP without UK training or CCT... Thank you.
@@bhaskarjthaz5692 its recognised as MD internal medicine in India
After doing MD from India and passing MRCP , do we still need to do IMT training in uk in order to apply for CCT or is it enough to be eligible for CCT training?
Hi please watch this video to know all about this topic
ua-cam.com/video/AZhTj5uXwqE/v-deo.html
Thank you for the video mam, can we do private practice after doing IMT program in India (3 years) and giving MRCP exams?
HI Darshan
This will depend on a lot of factors like your clinical experience, which speciality you want to work in and also which city/ hospital you are attached to.
Hi doc , could you please tell how to apply for uk jobs after part 1 and part 2 mrcp . It's really confusing . Would be thankful for your guidance
Hi Nisha
After part 1 and 2, if you have the right experience , you would be able to apply for a MTI job.
Get all the details here:
ua-cam.com/video/DUzk3_7KrSQ/v-deo.html
hi maam, suppose if i have completed MD medicine from India and have passed MRCP , can i do superspeciality training in UK with MRCP degree ?
Hi Milu
MRCP is only one of the crtiteria for superspecialty training. I am making a video on this soon,so please keep watching.
I completed my mbbs ..and I want to do my postgraduate degree in md medicine from uk .. my question is after completing md medicine(MRCP) in uk can I work as a proffesor in Indian medical colleges?
Hi Ravi
Probably not directly at a Professor level but definitely can start at a junior consultant grade.
Great work 👏👍
Many thanks for watching Anutrisha.
Thank you so much for wonderful work which is so helpful 😍🙏
And truly so inspiring 😍
Hello ma'am if i do MRCP with md Pharmacology, can i get a job of consultant physician in corporate hospitals on basis of MRCP??
Hi Nikunj
In order to work as a consultant physician you would need substantial clinical experience in medicine. MRCP is a certification exam , this doesnot involve medicine training.
Hello dr.after mrcp are we eligible to work in uk.?or else we have to do plab to get gmc registration??
Hi Srimaya
If you complete all parts of MRCP, you don't need to do PLAB.
Please watch this video for all the details
ua-cam.com/video/-NHshfh8gLw/v-deo.html
I finished my DNB ophthalmology.Can this MRCP benefit me dear?And thanks for taking the time to explain all these.
Hi Sia
MRCP is only for Medicine and allied specialties.
Hello Mam,My question is if i have completed my MD Degree in India and i have 1 year Clinical experience/fellowship after MD + MRCP,will i be comparable at ST3 LEVEL OR ST4 LEVEL???
Good question Agam. For non training posts , yes . Definitely you can apply for ST3/ST4 posts. For training posts you would need NHS experience at junior level for all practical purposes. This may seem umclear to you at present but I will soon upload a video on this topic. So please keep watching.
Okay. Waiting for new updates. Thanks a lot😄👍
Hi mam.....I will be pursuing MD General medicine in near future in India. Whats the right time for me to write the MRCP exam?
Hi
Please watch this video to know all about this topic
ua-cam.com/video/s6Ml04Tw58g/v-deo.html
Great video..keep up good work 👍is it possible to work as registrar after MD medicine and MRCP just exactly like you..pls clarify it
Yes, absolutely but I would recommend starting in a junior post in the NHS for your first role. To find out more please watch:
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ua-cam.com/video/DUzk3_7KrSQ/v-deo.html
Can we write MRCP1 ,2 exams from India? What about PACE exam, whether centre available in India?
Hi Sana
You can do all parts of MRCP from India.
Please make a vedio on how to apply for MRCP 1 and documents required for it
Hi
There is a video on this topic.
Can we do superspeciality in india After MRCP UK?
No , you have to have MD/DNB.
Mam can i prepaire mrcp coaching in uk or not becasuse my wife is joing nsh in uk sep. 2023 so i am move with her
Hi Sanjay
Definitely you can prepare for MRCP in the UK.
Hi ma'am
Do you have any idea about jrcptb?
Is this helpfull in mrcp passing?
Hi Lalit
JRCPTB is mainly for trainees in the UK in IMT or ST(Specialty training) posts. This is not very relevant for MRCP preparation.
Mam i have done md in community medicine and want to work abroad.will mrcp be beneficial for me or not?
Hi Sumaiya
This depends on which field of medicine you want to work in. Do you want to pursue community medicine? Please be aware that in order to pass MRCP you would need substantial experience in clincal Medicine.
Hi mam if work in pediatrics hospital for 2 years and apply for mrcpch am I eligible ?
Hi
You can get all the information here
www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/theory-exams-mrcpch-dch-how-apply
Will I be allowed to do DM in India with MRCP as a qualifying degree instead of MD medicine from India?
Hi Karthick
As of now, MRCP is not accepted as a qualification for NEET SS so unfortunately the answer is no.
@@AceurMRCP okay, Thanks for the reply mam
Mam , I'm a MD in anaesthesia , have worked 8 years in critical care medicine. Want to do MRCP now . Please guide.
Hi Dharamveer
MRCP is a highly coveted degree among anaesthetists in the UK. You can definitely go for it.
@@AceurMRCP this was something interesting , would be definitely thinking seriously about it
Thanks for this video
What's the best time to give MRCP step 1 ?
Is it before entering md medicine ?
Hi Zaid
MRCP part 1 ideally immediately after internship, provided you are sure that you want to do postgraduation in Medicine or allied specialities.
@@AceurMRCP what if i want to do paedia ?then same MRCP step 1 i have to give ?
@@zaidshaikh1148 no, for Paeds you have to do Mrcpch
Residency structure in two countries can be different... but they are ultimately training to treat the same thing.. how are they not equivalent?... perks may not be the same due to different government rules of both the countries.. but medically speaking why aren't u considering them equivalent...
This is a very good question Sanjana! I have discussed this exact topic in this video:
ua-cam.com/video/Y8NbHa5RC0A/v-deo.html
Please watch this video from start to end.. all your doubts will be cleared.
Hi thx for everything you do to guide doctors.
I have MRCP Irland membership. Would that be enough to apply for ST4, or do I need MRCP UK ?
Thank you very much
Hi Lazirus
You are eligible for GMC registration if you have completed MRCPi in medicine after 2007 but that is not the only criteria for ST4 application.
Please watch this vidoe to know all about this topic
ua-cam.com/video/AZhTj5uXwqE/v-deo.html
@@AceurMRCP thank you very much doctor
@AceurMRCP I've seen the video. It was joyful and very informative. Thanks for that. I saw the admission criteria on the website as well. It says, "However, MRCP UK and no mention about MRCPi as an alternative. I'm still confused. Do I need to sit for the MRCP UK as a term, or MRCPi would be good along with the rest of the scoring criteria. Thanks.
Hi mam superb
Madam NMC has stated few teaching qualifications in schedule 2 and MRCP is one among them and a recent recruitment for ESI AP job , MRCP too was directly mentioned as a recognised qualification
I can share the article stating at par
Hi Prakash
what I meant is that MRCP is not accepted as postgraduate qualification as MD/ DNB for applying in superspecialty posts or as assistant professor roles in teaching hospitals. That ESI has started to accept it is an excellent news and a huge step forward!
@@AceurMRCP ok mam understood thanks a lot...
@@AceurMRCP means MRCP has no value in india?
@@sandeepchauhan5271 no it has value in India what I mean
I will be pursuing MD pediatrics in India .Can I sit for the mrcp exam? Also when will be the best time for me to sit for the exam?
Hi
For Paediatrics, you will need to do MRCPcH.
@@AceurMRCP thanks maam
Respected Ma'am, excellent video. However, could you kindly address the following doubts?
1. Are we allowed to write MRCP exam while pursuing MD degree in India?
2. If so, do we need institutional permission to apply for the exam?
3. If I am to pursue MD in Community Medicine, will MRCP give me any edge in UK/India?
Thank you🙏
Hi Vedavati
You can definitely write MRCP exam whilst doing MD and you donot need any instituitonal permission as such.
Please be advised that you would need to have substantial clinical experience in clinical medicine to be able to be successful in the MRCP exam.
Completing MRCP is one of the routes for GMC registration which is essential for working as a doctor in the UK.
Thank you so much Ma'am.
Hii in which position are u working in UK
Hi Komal
I am working as a senior clinical fellow.
Hello Dr.Aparajita ,
Can We Appear For MRCP
After Completing MBBS And 1 Year Internship
So That I Can Skip The Fy2 and IMT
Hi Mytherya
You are definitely eligible to apply for MRCP . FY2 is equivalent to housejob and IMT is equivalent to post graduate medicine training. In my video, I have discussed this at length; only doing MRCP doesnot give you the clinical training.
Can md anesthesia give mrcp exam?
Hi Deva
Definitely. In fact, in the UK , MRCP is a highly desired qualification in anesthetics specially with interest in critical care.
Mam few questions...
1)After clearing mrcp third step, if i dont wanna go uk, can i be in india and will that mrcp add value?
2)Can j practice as GP in india with mrcp??
Hi Deva
In India, MRCP will not add much value to MD anaesthesia. EDAIC or FRCA would be a better choice.
Mam can I dm you in any way..?
Best way to reach me is via email.
You have done MD MEDICINE IN INDIA SO YOU ARE IN FAVOUR OF MD + MRCP OTHERWISE OTHER DOCTOR WHO DIDN'T DID MD MEDICINE AND DIRECTLY GIVEN MRCP EXAM AFTER MBBS THEY ADVICE THAT IF YOU WANT TO WORK IN UK THEN TO DO MD MEDICINE IS TIME WASTING ONLY..
Hi Mitesh
The key to be successful in the MRCP exam and in the NHS is rock solid clinical knowledge which can only come with experience.There are many doctors who have managed to get that without doing formal MD training. The advantages of MD are multiple though. This is a structured programme, gives you demonstrable evidence for research and teaching experience and also earns you points for a post graduate qualification when you apply for speciality training in the UK. The degree is well known in the NHS and puts the doctor in a good stead among his peers.
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