I love the dynamic they all have. The Simm Master just seems like that mate who'd be kicked out of the group if he didn't crack the odd joke every now and then. "Who else wants a sword?"
Oh yes, we would. The Master is a character. And Delgado wasn't even the first person to play the character on the television. That would be Edward Brayshaw in The War Games.
@@danielburger1775 Brayshaw played the War Chief. The idea that he and the Master were the same only appeared in Big Finish, and even then it was never confirmed.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 When did it appear in Big Finish? But, the Target novelisations of The War Games, Terror of the Autons, Colony in Space(renamed), The Sea Devils and The Three Doctors all state that it is the case. Plus, Malcolm Hulke said so. Then there's common sense...
@@danielburger1775 Forgive me, I meant in the expanded universe in general. It was posited a few times, sometimes it was outright denied. It's mostly ambiguous, but I'd prefer if they were separate characters. The Doctor and the Master aren't the only renegades, after all.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 it's better having the 2 figures, the good renegade Time Lord, and the evil renegade Time Lord. Having another character who is exactly like the Master, but a different character, helps nobody.
@Antony Cepeda the Master has always had a special place in their hearts for Jo Grant. Granted its a twisted "I'd love to kill you" kind of affection but still
@@EditedAF987 How many of these audios have killed off Jo Grant? Because I recently listened to The Sacrifice of Jo Grant, which is basicly the same idea.
I love how it was MacQueen that took offense to the comment. After being compared to a "Low Ranking Civil Servant" by his predecessor he had enough lol
God I loved this story, especially the first 30ish minutes. Really hope we can have more stories with Jon Culshaw playing Kamelion who is playing the Traken (Tremas) Master
@@russelltietjen4407 I like that! makes complete sense and is a good way to write his version out without any stupid "stuck in a timeloop" crap like the 4th doctor in the 5 doctors xD
Jo is only here in the first place because when they tried to pick up Delgado eith the time scoop he freaked out cuz he didn't know what it was and chucked her in there
Actually Missy addresses the Delgado Master when Jo brings up that she thought that Master was charming and that Jo thought they could have been friends in another life.
@@werdsonscreenmakeuangry I'm in a very dark place myself often these days and I'm afraid I can't offer any advice except to persevere. I often think to myself 'what would the Master do?" 🙂
Forget the Daleks, forget the Cybermen, the sontarans, the weeping angels, the boneless, forget even the midnight creature and the devil that one time, forget everything. *this right here is the scariest position in the universe. To be in a room with people, who are all. The Master.*
@@plantainsame2049Ehhh some versions I think I’d survive, surprisingly I’d think ten wouldn’t be too fatal and nines time war would be too fresh, but eleven and twelve? Yeah I’m jumping out of Madam TARDIS into deep space so fast it isn’t funny.
It is indeed. He plays an Audio Only version of the Master. Actually, his version of the Master is a little different, in that he is the Master from a Parallel Universe, where he has apparently conquered the Universe, but got bored of it.
Technically speaking, the "Crispy/Decaying" Master, the "Tremas" master and the "Movie/Bruce" Master. Are all the same incarnation. Both the Tremas Master, and the Movie Master, are the Crispy Master, wearing different 'skins', possessing different bodies. He survives execution by the Daleks by possessing a Deathwurm (the snake like animal, a native to Skaro). There are audios featuring the Crispy Master, AFTER he's lost the Movie Master body again. That is the final incarnation of his particular cycle, and he does have a final canonical death now, destroyed by a Time Lord Eating Monster, called the Ravenous. His death doesn't last long however, as he is immediately resurrected by a Trio of Time Lords, who inject a fresh Regeneration Cycle into his corpse, restoring him. He regenerates into the Bald Master - played by Alex McQueen. This is Resurrection he mentions in "Last of the Time Lords." This incarnation doesn't know why the Time Lords resurrected him, but it is suggested that it was Authorized by the Time Lords in order to use him in the upcoming Time War. But you want to know the kicker? The Trio that resurrected him, wasn't just any Time Lord. It was the War Master. The War Master who fights in the Time War (Played by Derek Jacobi), and obtains an extra set of Regenerations. He shocks everyone by not using it on himself, but rather travelling back in time, to the location of his first death, and resurrecting himself. So that he can eventually become the incarnation that he will one day be. How does he complete this mission? He recruits two other incarnations of himself. His Past - the Eric Roberts Master, who is shocked to see his future self once again in his crispy state. And Missy. Missy causes the regeration of TWO of her Past Selves.
This is a full cast audio drama by a company called Big Finish productions. They’ve been doing Doctor who related audios for around 20 years now and have done quite a lot with almost all of the surviving doctors and companions. They even managed to get Christopher Eccleston back recently. But anyways, you can find the standard edition of this story here: www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/masterful-standard-edition-2198 There’s a limited edition version as well that comes with behind the scenes interviews, two short trips and an exclusive 3 hour audiobook featuring the original master.
Wasted opportunity. Michelle Gomez has similar features to Kate O'Mara and it's not much of a leap to imagine the Rani being as bonkers as The Mistress.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 no it is because not one Rani is like missy. The Rani is always quite a calm sinister and calculated foe who focuses on scientific experimentation, not being an army of cybermen to just give to the Doctor.
@@tardisglitch547 just isn’t anything like the master either. Missy would have been so much cooler if she was somebody else the doctor grew up with honestly
@@Stevooofunnily enough, this audio plays around with that fact. When Missy shows up, all the other Masters are embarrassed, comparing her to the drunk aunt that ruins the party. But then she retorts that they’re scared of her because she is inevitable. Because one day the final scraps of the Master’s sanity and ambition will finally burn up, and they’ll become her.
Because the Delgado Master isn't in the story. Jo is there because when they tried to scoop him out of time, he pushed Jo into it. I suppose they could have had Jon Culshaw voice him like he does the Ainley Master in this story and Delgado in the audiobook on the special edition, but I imagine they didn't want the story to feature recasted dead Masters. Even Ainley's role in the story is minimal.
@@russelltietjen4407 Ainley technically isn't in the story either. When they tried to scoop him up, he pushed Kamelion in, so Kamelion took his form so he'd go undetected. It failed, but he still managed to survive.
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ they did recast him. Milo Parker is the younger version of the 1st master. He's sort of the 2nd stage of the 1st master. It goes William from last of the timelords milo Parker and then James dreyfus.
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ Nice lampshading but Dreyfuss isn't transphobic. It's really disingenuous to label anybody who has gender-based views that differ from your own as 'transphobic' just because they don't fit your narrative. And same for those who labelled him as such. There are increasing studies coming out that are finding that not everything the wider trans lobby has requested is actually healthy. That's because the trans community is filled with a mixture of people - some are regular trans people trying to live their lives, and some are people who's motives aren't healthy (so, like the non trans world, then!). The problem is people have been scared if someone says 'I'm trans' that to challenge them is to be accused of transphobia. That shouldn't be the case but in practice, it seems to be. But because of the fear of being labelled transphobic, people don't always speak for the good of all communities, including the trans community. So no, Dreyfuss isn't transphobic if you go back and research what he actually said. I won't put words in his mouth, but feel free to research it. However a group of militant angry people looking for anything to criticise went for him as soon as he touched on controversial issues. To give an example, the argument with trans athletes in sporting events and people pointing out that *genetically* being a difference gender at one point gives an unfair advantage, just like taking a substance would. But people are transphobic for pointing this out? No way. Sports are a genetic contest so the sociological implications don't matter. It's down to genetics. That's where the label transphobic becomes less a word concerned with equality and starts to become used as a thought police, seditious action.
Agreed as much as I enjoyed the audio I did have trouble telling when it was Simms talking, when it was Macqueen talking, when it was decayed talking and when it was best master Jacobi talking. Visuals would have made it better.
@@changvasejarik62 Yeah, I really struggled trying to figure out who was who and had to look up the plot to figure it out -aha. I spent way too long thinking Crispy was Jacobi on the planet, but then realised he was being WAY too nice to Kitty to be Jacob. Also, I think Simms is the one talking at 0:37 (??), but I really can't bloody tell anymore. I need a full transcript istg
I love the dynamic they all have. The Simm Master just seems like that mate who'd be kicked out of the group if he didn't crack the odd joke every now and then.
"Who else wants a sword?"
Rest in Peace, Roger Delgado.
Without you, we wouldn't have this brilliant character.
Oh yes, we would. The Master is a character.
And Delgado wasn't even the first person to play the character on the television. That would be Edward Brayshaw in The War Games.
@@danielburger1775 Brayshaw played the War Chief. The idea that he and the Master were the same only appeared in Big Finish, and even then it was never confirmed.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 When did it appear in Big Finish?
But, the Target novelisations of The War Games, Terror of the Autons, Colony in Space(renamed), The Sea Devils and The Three Doctors all state that it is the case. Plus, Malcolm Hulke said so.
Then there's common sense...
@@danielburger1775 Forgive me, I meant in the expanded universe in general. It was posited a few times, sometimes it was outright denied. It's mostly ambiguous, but I'd prefer if they were separate characters. The Doctor and the Master aren't the only renegades, after all.
@@yehiahuzayyin7972 it's better having the 2 figures, the good renegade Time Lord, and the evil renegade Time Lord.
Having another character who is exactly like the Master, but a different character, helps nobody.
All these years, and he still calls her miss grant. God i love the Master.
" Friendly Bank Managers" 😂
And MacQueen's reaction will always make me chuckle.
"This time we're doing it for fun."
Accurate for the Master.
Love the combined evil laughs!
@Antony Cepeda the Master has always had a special place in their hearts for Jo Grant. Granted its a twisted "I'd love to kill you" kind of affection but still
Probably the most scariest scenario to possibly be in a room full of The Master!
I dont know why give them 20 minutes and, they will all betray each other.
@@joshuareynolds23 that still means surviving 20 minutes in a room full of Masters
@DissociatedWomenIncorporated That's not very hard to be honest. They have a grand plan, I simply need to follow until it falls apart.
I hope Jo makes it out alright. You'd just want Pertwee or McGann to drop in and rescue her.
Spoilers:
Missy actually lets her fall to her death later on. But thankfully the timeline is erased when all of the masters kill each other
@@EditedAF987 accurate
@@EditedAF987 How many of these audios have killed off Jo Grant? Because I recently listened to The Sacrifice of Jo Grant, which is basicly the same idea.
What happen to the doctor xd
@@timrob12 Jo Grant get shoved into the fridge a great many times over.
A room of all the masters sounds like a dangerous laugh.
Ahh That does it
Pass me that Battle axe on the wall
😂😂😂😂😂😂
They let being called sweet pass, but a friendly bank manager. That does it.
I love how it was MacQueen that took offense to the comment. After being compared to a "Low Ranking Civil Servant" by his predecessor he had enough lol
This was such a great scene. Kudos to Big Finish, this entire audio was pure gold- especially that twist at the end!
Was not expecting the ending to sound so.... ambiguous.🤔
Which one? With all the masters making appearances there were a lot of twists
@@madanotap6492 I think they mean what that hungry entropy entity really was, that twist.
@@Popcultureguy3000 oooooh yeah. That was a good one.
@@madanotap6492 Is the doctor really dead? i am lost on that part- sorry i don't have the audio's xD i don't know where to get them
Nice touch that the young 1st Master still has moral scruples
God I loved this story, especially the first 30ish minutes. Really hope we can have more stories with Jon Culshaw playing Kamelion who is playing the Traken (Tremas) Master
It was Culshow whole Time? Blimey! That was awesome!
It's a shame the original master isnt with us to join them
The original master is the child master, Roger Delgado was the 12th master.
@@chriszone50 you know what he means
SPOILERS
Jo is actually there because they tried to time scoop Delgado but he panicked, not knowing what it was and just threw Jo in there
@@russelltietjen4407 I like that! makes complete sense and is a good way to write his version out without any stupid "stuck in a timeloop" crap like the 4th doctor in the 5 doctors xD
@@smiley3047 Yeah, he means the good one.
Bro if the Delgado master was here he'd be stopping all of this he actually liked Jo
Jo is only here in the first place because when they tried to pick up Delgado eith the time scoop he freaked out cuz he didn't know what it was and chucked her in there
Actually Missy addresses the Delgado Master when Jo brings up that she thought that Master was charming and that Jo thought they could have been friends in another life.
Which one said “ Actually I don’t agree with this” That caught me off guard
Probably the young one on the right.
Probably before he became a villain.
The younger master played by Milo Parker. In this story he’s portrayed as being more squeamish about killing than his later incarnations.
And they all still call her Miss Grant 😂
Only an incredibly offensive and unnecessary disguise can save her now
The great sorcerer Ki Kwi Kwod!!!
I'm in a pretty dark place right now and you have no idea how much this reply made my day
@@werdsonscreenmakeuangry I'm in a very dark place myself often these days and I'm afraid I can't offer any advice except to persevere. I often think to myself 'what would the Master do?" 🙂
Probably murder a lot of people
DEAR FEDERAL AGENTS:
THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF INTENT I HAVE NO PLANS TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE
Forget the Daleks, forget the Cybermen, the sontarans, the weeping angels, the boneless, forget even the midnight creature and the devil that one time, forget everything.
*this right here is the scariest position in the universe. To be in a room with people, who are all. The Master.*
What about in a room full of the doctor and he's pissed
@@plantainsame2049 50/50. you'll either be fine so long as you get out of their way. or you deserve whats about to happen to you
@@skullman-us7wn you some how harmed all the companions
Run
Sutekh?
@@plantainsame2049Ehhh some versions I think I’d survive, surprisingly I’d think ten wouldn’t be too fatal and nines time war would be too fresh, but eleven and twelve? Yeah I’m jumping out of Madam TARDIS into deep space so fast it isn’t funny.
One of those masters is a bumder!
Can't wait for them to add Sacha to the line up.
I feel like he and John Simm’s Master would… I wouldn’t exactly say get along. But bond over their shared megalomania
@benwasserman8223 After attempted murder they just share music playlists.
A meeting with multiple incarnations of the master in one place, what could go wrong?
Might have to buy this now :O
hopefully i can get this as a CD
Is that Mark Gattis?
It is indeed. He plays an Audio Only version of the Master. Actually, his version of the Master is a little different, in that he is the Master from a Parallel Universe, where he has apparently conquered the Universe, but got bored of it.
@@benlowe1701 He is alone for 10,000 years
No Roger delgado on the thumbnail?
No Roger Delgado😭
The Delgado Master doesn’t appear in this story. When the Simm Master tried to time scoop him, he just threw Jo Grant into it which is why she’s here.
"My dear Miss Grant."
who is the movie master, I have trouble knowing with one is with. I know who saxon and decaying, and young master is
Movie!Master has an American accent, but I don’t think he speaks in this particular clip.
In the artwork, it’s the one between the young one and the War Master (aka Yana)
The Eric Roberts Master.
1:25
Technically speaking, the "Crispy/Decaying" Master, the "Tremas" master and the "Movie/Bruce" Master. Are all the same incarnation. Both the Tremas Master, and the Movie Master, are the Crispy Master, wearing different 'skins', possessing different bodies. He survives execution by the Daleks by possessing a Deathwurm (the snake like animal, a native to Skaro). There are audios featuring the Crispy Master, AFTER he's lost the Movie Master body again. That is the final incarnation of his particular cycle, and he does have a final canonical death now, destroyed by a Time Lord Eating Monster, called the Ravenous.
His death doesn't last long however, as he is immediately resurrected by a Trio of Time Lords, who inject a fresh Regeneration Cycle into his corpse, restoring him. He regenerates into the Bald Master - played by Alex McQueen. This is Resurrection he mentions in "Last of the Time Lords." This incarnation doesn't know why the Time Lords resurrected him, but it is suggested that it was Authorized by the Time Lords in order to use him in the upcoming Time War.
But you want to know the kicker?
The Trio that resurrected him, wasn't just any Time Lord. It was the War Master. The War Master who fights in the Time War (Played by Derek Jacobi), and obtains an extra set of Regenerations. He shocks everyone by not using it on himself, but rather travelling back in time, to the location of his first death, and resurrecting himself. So that he can eventually become the incarnation that he will one day be.
How does he complete this mission? He recruits two other incarnations of himself. His Past - the Eric Roberts Master, who is shocked to see his future self once again in his crispy state. And Missy.
Missy causes the regeration of TWO of her Past Selves.
What is this and where do I get it?
Is it an audio book thing?
This is a full cast audio drama by a company called Big Finish productions. They’ve been doing Doctor who related audios for around 20 years now and have done quite a lot with almost all of the surviving doctors and companions. They even managed to get Christopher Eccleston back recently.
But anyways, you can find the standard edition of this story here: www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/masterful-standard-edition-2198
There’s a limited edition version as well that comes with behind the scenes interviews, two short trips and an exclusive 3 hour audiobook featuring the original master.
Alright why is Mark Gattis there? (left side)
He plays the Master from another universe. He was introduced back in 2003 and has appeared in several audios since.
He’s the Unbound Master
Be good to see John simms Michelle gomez Sacha dawan and past future Incarnations come into dr who
There was only one Master, Roger Delgado.
That the mistress
I know master mistress same differance
The mistress should be a seperate charecter
Wasted opportunity. Michelle Gomez has similar features to Kate O'Mara and it's not much of a leap to imagine the Rani being as bonkers as The Mistress.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 no it is because not one Rani is like missy. The Rani is always quite a calm sinister and calculated foe who focuses on scientific experimentation, not being an army of cybermen to just give to the Doctor.
@@tardisglitch547 just isn’t anything like the master either. Missy would have been so much cooler if she was somebody else the doctor grew up with honestly
@@Stevooo a nut job doctor simp that is the master am I the only one who remembers Delgado trying to get the doctor to join them
@@Stevooofunnily enough, this audio plays around with that fact. When Missy shows up, all the other Masters are embarrassed, comparing her to the drunk aunt that ruins the party. But then she retorts that they’re scared of her because she is inevitable. Because one day the final scraps of the Master’s sanity and ambition will finally burn up, and they’ll become her.
Would have bought this if James Dreyfus was in it.
I thought he was gonna ask her if she heard the drums
Speaking of Roger Delgado..... where is he on that picture???? Insult to his memory..
He is included on the special edition’s cover, as his Master gets his own bonus story to celebrate the 50th anniversary.
Because the Delgado Master isn't in the story. Jo is there because when they tried to scoop him out of time, he pushed Jo into it.
I suppose they could have had Jon Culshaw voice him like he does the Ainley Master in this story and Delgado in the audiobook on the special edition, but I imagine they didn't want the story to feature recasted dead Masters. Even Ainley's role in the story is minimal.
@@russelltietjen4407 Ainley technically isn't in the story either. When they tried to scoop him up, he pushed Kamelion in, so Kamelion took his form so he'd go undetected. It failed, but he still managed to survive.
Well at least it's not the titan master but why not use James Dreyfus
Beacuase James dreyfus was transphobic hes the first Master tho so they should recast him
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ they did recast him. Milo Parker is the younger version of the 1st master. He's sort of the 2nd stage of the 1st master. It goes William from last of the timelords milo Parker and then James dreyfus.
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ Nice lampshading but Dreyfuss isn't transphobic. It's really disingenuous to label anybody who has gender-based views that differ from your own as 'transphobic' just because they don't fit your narrative. And same for those who labelled him as such.
There are increasing studies coming out that are finding that not everything the wider trans lobby has requested is actually healthy. That's because the trans community is filled with a mixture of people - some are regular trans people trying to live their lives, and some are people who's motives aren't healthy (so, like the non trans world, then!). The problem is people have been scared if someone says 'I'm trans' that to challenge them is to be accused of transphobia. That shouldn't be the case but in practice, it seems to be. But because of the fear of being labelled transphobic, people don't always speak for the good of all communities, including the trans community.
So no, Dreyfuss isn't transphobic if you go back and research what he actually said. I won't put words in his mouth, but feel free to research it. However a group of militant angry people looking for anything to criticise went for him as soon as he touched on controversial issues.
To give an example, the argument with trans athletes in sporting events and people pointing out that *genetically* being a difference gender at one point gives an unfair advantage, just like taking a substance would. But people are transphobic for pointing this out? No way. Sports are a genetic contest so the sociological implications don't matter. It's down to genetics. That's where the label transphobic becomes less a word concerned with equality and starts to become used as a thought police, seditious action.
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ They did that kid is also the first master but younger
@@Harveyc_Harveyc_ He was not transphobic at all. Behave.
Halloween
Which one of them is against this it's sorta hard to tell
The Young Master (young man on the right). A version of him that's basically just left Gallifrey and isn't too evil, being against pointless killing.
@@Prince__Teclis ok
Agreed as much as I enjoyed the audio I did have trouble telling when it was Simms talking, when it was Macqueen talking, when it was decayed talking and when it was best master Jacobi talking.
Visuals would have made it better.
@@changvasejarik62 Yeah, I really struggled trying to figure out who was who and had to look up the plot to figure it out -aha. I spent way too long thinking Crispy was Jacobi on the planet, but then realised he was being WAY too nice to Kitty to be Jacob.
Also, I think Simms is the one talking at 0:37 (??), but I really can't bloody tell anymore. I need a full transcript istg
"the doctors dead"
That bald one is one of the worst overacting hams I've ever heard
It's the fucking master what do you expect