I have this very same setup and bike and with my 2 children (2 and 3yo) we have now driven 1500km/1000miles during the first 5 months, including snowy winter! :) I recommend this bike!! And this video has been one of the best going through the details. The bike has plus and minus points, but 95% is positive. The 5% is only because some compromises have to be made and one bike can not be for all purposes. I hope the videos in the future have children in them. We have installed Bluetooth speakers and we listen a lot of children books. Also the tray is perfect for having LEGO:s for the kids. In the winter we had sheep fur on the seats which was essential on longer than 15min drives. I posted a couple of guestions below and these basically are the minus points. I love how stable this bike is when we have load of two children and backpacks with us, very good on gravel road and easy bumpy forest trails. Thank you again for these videos!
Love this so much! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It's so great to have your comment here and to hear how much you enjoy the bike. I'm a huge fan. Great to hear that you are riding so much and even in the winter!
Hey, I’ve got question regarding transporting this bike: the question is how can I transport this bike with a car (i.e. for vacation)? Do I need dedicated trailer or maybe it could be divided in two parts?
Thank you for the best review I've seen on a cargo bike. In particular, I liked the representation of the suspension, also the slow motion scenen. As a German, I had to smile a little when you pronounce Riese & Müller. :-) All the best and keep going.
Riese & Bob Müller - the Cargo Investigations... Thanks for the great review. Would you think it's possible to transport an adult comfortably in the front (i.e. an agile senior, not a young camerawoman)?
Very thorough overview of the bike! Another excellent clip Chris, and great videography Tara! I especially loved the slow-mo recording of the suspension’s articulation over rough pavement and when coming off the kerb. Really nice illustration of R&M’s control tech at work!
My 38kg 9 month old puppy and I have cycled 1200kms in the past 3 months on the Load 75 Vario HS, dual battery, high sidewalls with tarp. We love it. Problem is that here in Europe there are regulations on such a bike, they differ between France and Germany and others but basically the HS models are not allowed on cycle paths, have to display a licence plate (so must be registered, taxed, insured) in some EU countries a driver’s licence is required. These regulations are tightening as e-bikes become more popular. Here in Ireland the government is passing a new road and traffic bill that will strictly regulate our freedoms. I bought the bike instead of a car, I don’t want a licence, tax and insurance are expensive (especially with dog) and in France I will have to wear a motorbike helmet. HS models will not be allowed on cycle paths. I’m always courteous to other road users and we encounter no problems on the roads as is. Either we find a country that doesn’t punish cyclists or I get rid of the bike. I wish I’d known all of this beforehand, I didn’t do my due diligence, but also I feel that people like your good self and other dealers could be a bit more transparent about the regulations HS model riders will face in the EU for example. Nobody told me, R-M didn’t mention anything about drivers licence or not allowed on cycle paths, and my dealer in Ireland never mentioned anything either. These are important issues moving forward.
Just the high side bars don't convince me. I've used longjohn cargo bikes for a while and find so pleasurable using it as a couch, for just spreading out my legs as I work on my laptop in a park for instance. A not-just-carrying-around-kids vision for R&M would make me feel enamored at last with your cargo bikes, and I am almost there!
Love your videos on these bikes. I must say that I absolutely love my 60 but I often wish that I had a 75! My kids have to squeeze in there currently lol. They love it but they’re both not going to fit in it much longer. If only you guys had that demo available when I was ready :) Keep up the good work and hope the shop is thriving!
Transit of body parts conversation is a “killer” 👏 best laugh of the week. Hey Chris, a truly epic review video. One of your best (and it’s a very high bar). Love seeing the run thro of the kids seats: superb design, excellent demo and great angles from Tara (same goes for suspension segment). You beat everyone on that one and win the internet. Your content must be really valued by so many who are buying new eBikes. Yes, try before you buy etc. but the leading edge brands are thin on the ground in so many places and suitable terrain for testing may be unavailable too. As your content builds you are doing a great service to the whole market. Two subjects that you have an almost unique thorough knowledge/experience of are: 1. P line CX versus Cargo Line programming; 2. Belt transmission - Enviolo v. Rohloff. I get the sense some folks are gagging for those two “Propel Scientific Assessment” videos. Particularly the hubs. Several brands just seem to chuck in an Enviolo option to fill that empty page in their catalogue. The Rohloff is even rarer. You and R&M seem to be uniquely leading the market here. Both are brilliant options and both have drawbacks. Go on Chris, help out those who can’t manage to thoroughly try before they buy ;) I guess both the programming and the hubs boils down to rider FEEL. How does it feel? Hilly v gentle. Tight and tricky v Flowing and fast. HS v Regular blend. Then down to the technical: is a firmware switch reversable?; can you swap out the belt and sprockets to make a low geared or a high geared Enviolo bike depending on your personal terrain/speed? Excellent job Chris and Tara. 👌 PS. sorry for War and Peace... your videos just get me thinking too much!
Mike, Sorry about my delayed response. Things are starting to get busy and the volume of comments can be overwhelming at times. I love to see and respond to them though. It's so great to be able to connect with people on here. I particularly enjoy your comments. Great feedback on the video ideas. I really appreciate them. Some of them are in the works already and I will definitely work on this some more. I hope you are enjoying the weekend and your Load! I look forward to catching up soon. Chris
Cheers Chris! I really appreciate all your personalised replies. It creates a buzz around your channel... miles better than the “tumbleweed” on other eBike channels. Hope all your perseverance is paying off in viewing figures and especially feet through your shop doors.
Ty for another great, on point review. I watch a lot of technical reviews on electronics priorto purchase, and I have to you have outdone most of what I've watched thus far ...including cnet reviews. Looking forward to visiting you guys. So glad you guys have a store front and have such a wonderful approachable demeanor. Ty again!
I’ve had mine a month now, I take my 30kg 7 month old puppy everywhere in it (high sidewalls with tarp). Absolutely no complaints with the bike, only problems are the GPS tracker I had installed in the motor by the dealer, it has come loose inside and it’s a 260 km round trip back to the dealer to get it fixed. Also having trouble with the Drift Ghost X helmet camera. These two accessories are letting me down. If anyone has any questions about traveling with a large dog feel free to ask
I'm looking at this bicycle to take my large dog around town after selling my car. I know it varies dog-to-dog, but how did you find training went? I'm concerned he'd jump out at the sight of some rabbit.
@@colins1638 firstly I made sure that his first experience was very positive, I had his toys and treats scattered in the cargo. My wife walked beside him as I wheeled the bike to the nearby church carpark, we made it fun and positive, saying good boy and stay. I cycled slowly and he jumped out, it must have hurt the pads on his paws a little bit but that was an important lesson for him. He only jumped out too early one other time but he was connected to his lead which was wrapped around the handlebar neck, and so he realised that that was pointless. So it has been easy, plenty of encouragement and “good boy stay good boy wait”. He has travelled 720 kms in 8 weeks, no problem whatsoever, a local celebrity. He seemed agitated one day after 10kms and kept looking at me, I thought he was being impatient but he was needing a poo… so it was too late, it spilled out in the cargo load, but that was my fault. He won’t sit or lie down when we are moving he stands upright enjoying the ride. I definitely recommend it
Never thought I would feel this way but after watching this video and the one about load 60 , I could see myself riding these bikes. Now I just need to get rid of 1 of our cars. I would go with the charcoal color with the rolloff hub
Another wonderful review. I have been contemplating a cargo bike for some time but really focussed on the Tern GSD/HSD or the Benno you have done reviews on. I never really understood the virtues or utility of these front box bikes. Eye opening! Are these generally easier to handle than the rear-based cargo bikes? Keep up the quality.
I really like the front loaders, especially the Load. I think the full suspension is especially appealing to me. The Load handles exceptionally well with or without cargo. It's definitely my cargo bike of choice, but obviously it's not for everyone. The other styles definitely have their merits.
Thanks for the great review, Chris! Can you elaborate a bit more on how the Bosch cargo line programming differs from the other gen 4 programming? You mentioned the cargo line is useful when you have heavy loads, but why isn’t that extra power also better for light loads? Too much power, not an intuitive torque for each speed range, or something else?
The Cargo Line software seems to be optimized for commercial applications and it feels restricted from what I experience on the Performance Line. It feels like there is a governor on it, especially from the start up behavior like if an employer didn't want the employee rider to have too much fun, but they want them to be able to get the job done and hauls some stuff. I hope this makes sense. The Performance Line programming is much more fun and sporty.
I have a 2020 load 75 on order. I assume the bike shop is who sets up the programming on the motor? I got the vario HS, what terminology or or name should I tell the bike shop to set the programming to. For example, “traditional gen 4 high speed performance” programming? Also what is it that you don’t like about the programming it comes setup with ? How does it feel different. Either the torque is applied gradually in a high load situation to decrease mechanical stress (so it feels sluggish?) , or is it applied too harshly in anticipation that more support needed in heavy load situations (so it feels too jerky or abrupt)?
Very exciting David! Yes, I would recommend asking the motor to be programmed to the tradtional gen 4 speed programming. They'll need to do some coordinating with Bosch and R&M, but it's totally the way to go. It's much more peppy and sporty. The Cargoline has a lot of power available but it can feel sluggish at times especially if you don't have a heavy load which is what it's optimized for.
Really good review and video overall. Now... if you would need to choose between 60 or 75, what would you recommend? Afaik, the 75 rides just / similar as the 60, but with nearly 50% more cargo volume. Would you say this is a no-brainer and recommend the 75, or are there other factors you would call out?!
I personally don’t have kids or a too much cargo need so I generally would opt for the 60. I think Tara my videographer prefers to ride in the front of the 75, but we make the 60 work.
@@Propelbikes Thanks! i am just not sure what to aim for... i like the sporty look of the 60, the highbox with the glovebox, but then i think, just some bucks more and you got 50% more cargo space... you never know what you might wanna transport. my kids are nearly9 and nearly2. i dont think i would like to ride my son with 9y around, however he would definitely want to... who wouldnt :D but do you think a bigger child and a smaller shild would fit the 60? like for a 1h drive?
Looks like an amazing bike! That low-slung cargo box must make for a great center of balance, but have you ever been high centered? There are some pretty big speed bumps in some of the neighborhoods around here where the bike routes are. Does that bike have as much clearance as a car?
You mention that it is possible to switch the lights off. Could you please paste a link here for the instructions? It would be nice to be able to switch bethween OFF/ON/Long distance lighting.
Sorry for my delayed comment. I’m working on doing more of our own, but I did this video with Court from Electric Bike Review which you can check out: ua-cam.com/video/5r4o951A_5c/v-deo.html
What with the current Covid 19 situation and the restrictions we're going to have with public transport moving forward here in the UK these type of bikes really could be the future, I certainly hope so, healthy, practical and clean for the environment, what's not to like, apart from perhaps the purchase price! Great review, thank you.
My only experience with the Enviolo continuously variable transmission is on a non electric Citibike in Jersey City/NYC. Can you speak to how it is different on a bike like this? I can appreciate that Citibike may have a lower speed threshold by design and therefore the gear range is smaller.
Great detailed video! For such an expensive and heavy cargo bike, why doesn't R&M upgrade the hydraulics braking system to double pistons to increase brake power for heavier load. Do you think that's a necessary upgrade for 2021?
The 2021 brakes have been upgraded. The previous ones worked well, but the new ones made some nice improvements. An important detail to note is that all parts on R&M bikes are tested to be on their bikes. Historically Tektro was the only company that made a brake which could work consistently with this long of a line up until now with the TRP Cargo bike brakes which are spec'd now.
Thanks! As Mike said the batteries take about 4 hours each so two would be 8 hours unless you got another charger. The length is 105" and the weight is around 100lbs depending on your configuration.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. If you're carrying about 130 to 150lbs of cargo what kind of motor programming would best hoping to still get the higher speeds?
Hi Chris!!! I have the load 75 and we love it! I mostly use it to transport my wife in the front. My wife has been complaining about the cold wind during these cool windy days of fall. I’m considering purchasing the rain cover. Will the rain cover work with my current set up. I have the hard top box which has a lid and locks up. Will the rain cover work on my set up or do I have to remove the box or buy anything else? Please let me know?
Hi, I just ordered a Load 60 here in NZ. I got the child seats and footwell, and we only have one kid. She's 4, but she's a tall 4. Should I be worried about the size of the bike?? The 75 seemed like overkill for us.
I wouldn’t be concerned. Tara my videographer rides in the Load 60 all day long. She’s about 5’4”. I think after 5’6” you need to be a bit more flexible. At 5’9” I do it, but I wouldn’t want to for extended rides.
@@Propelbikes I got the Argo kit, and need an upgrade. Definitely will need to see the largest bike they allow. I can already feel the annoyed glaring eyes of snooty passengers. What's the time frame from order to pickup?
It really depends. Right now we have at least one in stock available for sale. If you email us through our website we can give you a better estimate. Https://propelbikes.com
Hey Chris what do you recommend for locking the Load 75. I have a long but heavy chain (kryptonite NY noose 1213). Would the abus granit could folding work okay for most other scenarios? Cant wait to get the new load in white, some real storm trooper vibes coming through. Thanks!
Great review. I have two questions. 1. as a photographer I’d like to have an alu box like the urban arrow cargo or bullitt cargo to transport my equipment. Around 250 liters would be nice, able to lock it seriously. Is something like that available? 2. Is there a way to unlock more power/speed? Especially fot long straight roads here in the netherlands.
I plan to launch a cargo bike rental in my city. To start with, I will start with three bikes, but I have a problem choosing a specific model. Do you think the load 75 you are presenting would be a good choice? Is it not too much of a developed structure? Do you think that a person unfamiliar with this bike, having first contact with it, could spoil something about it because of its ignorance? However, is it a solid enough construction to withstand such circumstances? Or maybe you could tell me which model you would use for renting?
You said the tradition cx programming is smoother. Can you please explain more the difference between the cx and performance programming ? Is the assistance different? Is the power different?
I have this setup also, with the Rohloff and carbon drive. I feel this vibration when pedalling, almost like resonating usually when pedalling close to cadence 80 and speed more than 20km/h. Does this have something to do with the carbon drive? The volume levels on the Rohloff are very much lower starting from gear 8, do you agree?
Do you have any recommendations on GPS tracker for this bike? It would be nice to be able to connect the tracker to unused motor electricity cables to charge the tracker.
@@Propelbikes Especially now that the motor size was reduced.. I´m not sure if there is enough space for placing the tracker inside the casing like Powunity used to do for 2019 model. It would be nice to know if Bosch has enough space for the power cable to come out of the motor cable routes.. Then it could be possible to run the cables inside the frame to preferred location. I´m considering www.swisstrackgps.com/ since they have the "open source" version and I am also able to listen to the tracker surrounding sounds at any time and one use their own sim card. I hope this topic and video comes soon :) Thank you for your replies!!
I use the Powunity. I got it fitted on my Load 75 when I was buying it. Haven't had to use it in anger yet thankfully. But this looks good too: boomerangbike.com
Chris, great review on a very interesting bike. A few questions for you. Since it is a fairly long bike does it feel odd or clumsy navigating through traffic and while commuting or do you quickly adapt to the length? In your video you seem quite comfortable riding it around town. I wonder if hills, uneven pavement, dirt trails or roads like out in the country upset the balance of the bike since your video mostly shows it running around in the city. Also, when running errands, i.e. going to get groceries, picking up a package, going to work, etc., do you just lock it with the cafe lock or do you go all out and use multiple locks? Last, do you install the Tannus Armour inserts on this model for customers or are the tires sufficiently puncture protected with the Schwalbe tires. I have the Schwalbe Marathon Plus on my bike and they have been awesome but after hearing you mention on another video the Tannus inserts I am considering adding them to my tires for extra puncture assurance. Man, I got carried away asking questions. Great review as always. =)
Thanks Juan! I hope you are well. The bike takes more anticipation to turn since you need to make wider turns. These can handle some really rough terrain. I actually took the shorter one on some pretty serious mountain bike trails with Tara in the front and it performed really well. I will use just the cafe lock if the bike is in my sight but usually I'll add some additional locks when shopping and such. I use the Load 60 with a lockable top all the time. I'll be taking it grocery shopping today actually. I don't think you'll need the Tannus liners on your Marathon Plus tires since they have a significant amount of protection, but they could make the tires even more puncture proof. I hope this helps.
In an ideal world it would be very good, but in my area of London there's a lot of traffic, especially in the morning and evening. I take the children to school along narrow roads and a cargo bike wouldn't get me to the school any quicker than my electric car. Also, in the winter when it is 0c, it's not so nice being freezing cold.
Oh so the CX, andCargo has similar differences like Shimano has just different default assist levels? The E6100 motor has Dynamic and Comfort and the E8000 has the same ones (named differently) and a full custom mode.
Brilliant video is there any way the rear brake light could be retro fitted to the 2019 r and m load 75 ? Also can the tray be bought for the load area with low side walls on 2019 model ?
technically it’s possible to retrofit brake lights but it’s a big job as you need to change the brake levers and run wiring. I’ve seen some bike brake lights which work using an accelerometer and that might be an easier retrofit since you only need to add the light. The tray will only work with the high sidewalls as far as I understand.
You need to focus on the sound quality and sound capture on your videos. In one same video you have moments in which the sound is great and some others in which it is to low to hear without raising the volume. It's not ok! Thanks for the videos!
Propel Electric Bikes ordered a Touring version of the 2020 Load with a box today. I really wanted belt drive, but the Enviolo will struggle with hills and the wait time for Rohloff was a bit to long for me (not to mention the price). I hope I get the bike next week (if I’m lucky). Thank you for the thorough reviews, they really help :)
my nearest supermarket is too far to go on foot, very Serca to go by car and a backpack does not fit my purchases if I go by bicycle, this cargo bike could withstand a slope of 10 to 20 degrees? With full load?
Hey Kieth! Thanks for reaching out! We are working on getting a Gleam cargo bike into our NY store soon as a demo and we should have them available next year I hope.
They all usually come with some locks. In some countries the have GPS tracking with insurance but it’s not available in the US where we are. We usually recommend people get insurance and good locks and GPS isn’t as good as it seems in my experience.
You mentioned reprogramming the motor. Is it possible to buy the HS version and reconfigure it to max 25kmh when you have periods where you want to transport young children?
This bike has had some awesome upgrades since this review! To learn more about the Load 75, check out the links in the description.🚴✌
I have this very same setup and bike and with my 2 children (2 and 3yo) we have now driven 1500km/1000miles during the first 5 months, including snowy winter! :) I recommend this bike!! And this video has been one of the best going through the details. The bike has plus and minus points, but 95% is positive. The 5% is only because some compromises have to be made and one bike can not be for all purposes. I hope the videos in the future have children in them. We have installed Bluetooth speakers and we listen a lot of children books. Also the tray is perfect for having LEGO:s for the kids. In the winter we had sheep fur on the seats which was essential on longer than 15min drives. I posted a couple of guestions below and these basically are the minus points. I love how stable this bike is when we have load of two children and backpacks with us, very good on gravel road and easy bumpy forest trails. Thank you again for these videos!
Love this so much! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It's so great to have your comment here and to hear how much you enjoy the bike. I'm a huge fan. Great to hear that you are riding so much and even in the winter!
Hey, I’ve got question regarding transporting this bike: the question is how can I transport this bike with a car (i.e. for vacation)? Do I need dedicated trailer or maybe it could be divided in two parts?
Thank you for the best review I've seen on a cargo bike. In particular, I liked the representation of the suspension, also the slow motion scenen.
As a German, I had to smile a little when you pronounce Riese & Müller. :-)
All the best and keep going.
Thanks Ring! I’m really glad you enjoyed it! I definitely Americanize those German names lol
Riese & Bob Müller - the Cargo Investigations... Thanks for the great review. Would you think it's possible to transport an adult comfortably in the front (i.e. an agile senior, not a young camerawoman)?
Wonderful review! Thank you and greetings from Belgium 🚲
Thanks for watching!! :)
Who'd have thought a cargo bike could be so much fun besides being so practical! Another excellent review, thanks!
Very thorough overview of the bike! Another excellent clip Chris, and great videography Tara! I especially loved the slow-mo recording of the suspension’s articulation over rough pavement and when coming off the kerb. Really nice illustration of R&M’s control tech at work!
My 38kg 9 month old puppy and I have cycled 1200kms in the past 3 months on the Load 75 Vario HS, dual battery, high sidewalls with tarp. We love it. Problem is that here in Europe there are regulations on such a bike, they differ between France and Germany and others but basically the HS models are not allowed on cycle paths, have to display a licence plate (so must be registered, taxed, insured) in some EU countries a driver’s licence is required. These regulations are tightening as e-bikes become more popular. Here in Ireland the government is passing a new road and traffic bill that will strictly regulate our freedoms. I bought the bike instead of a car, I don’t want a licence, tax and insurance are expensive (especially with dog) and in France I will have to wear a motorbike helmet. HS models will not be allowed on cycle paths. I’m always courteous to other road users and we encounter no problems on the roads as is. Either we find a country that doesn’t punish cyclists or I get rid of the bike. I wish I’d known all of this beforehand, I didn’t do my due diligence, but also I feel that people like your good self and other dealers could be a bit more transparent about the regulations HS model riders will face in the EU for example. Nobody told me, R-M didn’t mention anything about drivers licence or not allowed on cycle paths, and my dealer in Ireland never mentioned anything either. These are important issues moving forward.
Just the high side bars don't convince me. I've used longjohn cargo bikes for a while and find so pleasurable using it as a couch, for just spreading out my legs as I work on my laptop in a park for instance. A not-just-carrying-around-kids vision for R&M would make me feel enamored at last with your cargo bikes, and I am almost there!
Loving the protected bike lane at 1:07
It’s pretty nice to have some protection when riding. This was filmed in Long Beach and they are introducing a lot of great things for bikes lately.
Love your videos on these bikes. I must say that I absolutely love my 60 but I often wish that I had a 75! My kids have to squeeze in there currently lol. They love it but they’re both not going to fit in it much longer. If only you guys had that demo available when I was ready :) Keep up the good work and hope the shop is thriving!
Thanks Ferdinand! I totally understand! Do you have the high sidewalls? You could swap them for a bit more space. You’re riding my favorite bike! :)
Transit of body parts conversation is a “killer” 👏 best laugh of the week.
Hey Chris, a truly epic review video. One of your best (and it’s a very high bar). Love seeing the run thro of the kids seats: superb design, excellent demo and great angles from Tara (same goes for suspension segment). You beat everyone on that one and win the internet.
Your content must be really valued by so many who are buying new eBikes. Yes, try before you buy etc. but the leading edge brands are thin on the ground in so many places and suitable terrain for testing may be unavailable too. As your content builds you are doing a great service to the whole market.
Two subjects that you have an almost unique thorough knowledge/experience of are: 1. P line CX versus Cargo Line programming; 2. Belt transmission - Enviolo v. Rohloff. I get the sense some folks are gagging for those two “Propel Scientific Assessment” videos.
Particularly the hubs. Several brands just seem to chuck in an Enviolo option to fill that empty page in their catalogue. The Rohloff is even rarer. You and R&M seem to be uniquely leading the market here. Both are brilliant options and both have drawbacks. Go on Chris, help out those who can’t manage to thoroughly try before they buy ;)
I guess both the programming and the hubs boils down to rider FEEL. How does it feel? Hilly v gentle. Tight and tricky v Flowing and fast. HS v Regular blend. Then down to the technical: is a firmware switch reversable?; can you swap out the belt and sprockets to make a low geared or a high geared Enviolo bike depending on your personal terrain/speed?
Excellent job Chris and Tara. 👌
PS. sorry for War and Peace... your videos just get me thinking too much!
Mike,
Sorry about my delayed response. Things are starting to get busy and the volume of comments can be overwhelming at times. I love to see and respond to them though. It's so great to be able to connect with people on here. I particularly enjoy your comments.
Great feedback on the video ideas. I really appreciate them. Some of them are in the works already and I will definitely work on this some more. I hope you are enjoying the weekend and your Load!
I look forward to catching up soon.
Chris
Cheers Chris! I really appreciate all your personalised replies. It creates a buzz around your channel... miles better than the “tumbleweed” on other eBike channels. Hope all your perseverance is paying off in viewing figures and especially feet through your shop doors.
Great review. The king of cargo bikes!
Thanks John! 😎
Ty for another great, on point review. I watch a lot of technical reviews on electronics priorto purchase, and I have to you have outdone most of what I've watched thus far ...including cnet reviews. Looking forward to visiting you guys. So glad you guys have a store front and have such a wonderful approachable demeanor. Ty again!
I’ve had mine a month now, I take my 30kg 7 month old puppy everywhere in it (high sidewalls with tarp). Absolutely no complaints with the bike, only problems are the GPS tracker I had installed in the motor by the dealer, it has come loose inside and it’s a 260 km round trip back to the dealer to get it fixed. Also having trouble with the Drift Ghost X helmet camera. These two accessories are letting me down. If anyone has any questions about traveling with a large dog feel free to ask
I'm looking at this bicycle to take my large dog around town after selling my car. I know it varies dog-to-dog, but how did you find training went? I'm concerned he'd jump out at the sight of some rabbit.
@@colins1638 firstly I made sure that his first experience was very positive, I had his toys and treats scattered in the cargo. My wife walked beside him as I wheeled the bike to the nearby church carpark, we made it fun and positive, saying good boy and stay. I cycled slowly and he jumped out, it must have hurt the pads on his paws a little bit but that was an important lesson for him. He only jumped out too early one other time but he was connected to his lead which was wrapped around the handlebar neck, and so he realised that that was pointless. So it has been easy, plenty of encouragement and “good boy stay good boy wait”. He has travelled 720 kms in 8 weeks, no problem whatsoever, a local celebrity. He seemed agitated one day after 10kms and kept looking at me, I thought he was being impatient but he was needing a poo… so it was too late, it spilled out in the cargo load, but that was my fault. He won’t sit or lie down when we are moving he stands upright enjoying the ride. I definitely recommend it
Never thought I would feel this way but after watching this video and the one about load 60 , I could see myself riding these bikes. Now I just need to get rid of 1 of our cars. I would go with the charcoal color with the rolloff hub
I guess it’s contagious because that’s how I feel! These things rock!
@@Propelbikes i love the adjustability of the handlebars and that you can carry just about anything Reise and Muller makes some sweet bikes
Another wonderful review. I have been contemplating a cargo bike for some time but really focussed on the Tern GSD/HSD or the Benno you have done reviews on. I never really understood the virtues or utility of these front box bikes. Eye opening! Are these generally easier to handle than the rear-based cargo bikes? Keep up the quality.
I really like the front loaders, especially the Load. I think the full suspension is especially appealing to me. The Load handles exceptionally well with or without cargo. It's definitely my cargo bike of choice, but obviously it's not for everyone. The other styles definitely have their merits.
Lol, seeing Tara upfront made me laugh. Good stuff!
:)
This is a perfect cargo bike. Great review, thanks!
We definitely agree!! Thanks for watching! :)
Thanks for the great review, Chris! Can you elaborate a bit more on how the Bosch cargo line programming differs from the other gen 4 programming? You mentioned the cargo line is useful when you have heavy loads, but why isn’t that extra power also better for light loads? Too much power, not an intuitive torque for each speed range, or something else?
The Cargo Line software seems to be optimized for commercial applications and it feels restricted from what I experience on the Performance Line. It feels like there is a governor on it, especially from the start up behavior like if an employer didn't want the employee rider to have too much fun, but they want them to be able to get the job done and hauls some stuff. I hope this makes sense. The Performance Line programming is much more fun and sporty.
@@Propelbikes but how can you switch to the perf. programming?
I have a 2020 load 75 on order. I assume the bike shop is who sets up the programming on the motor?
I got the vario HS, what terminology or or name should I tell the bike shop to set the programming to. For example,
“traditional gen 4 high speed performance” programming?
Also what is it that you don’t like about the programming it comes setup with ? How does it feel different. Either
the torque is applied gradually in a high load situation to decrease mechanical stress (so it feels sluggish?) , or is it applied too harshly in anticipation that more support needed in heavy load situations (so it feels too jerky or abrupt)?
Very exciting David! Yes, I would recommend asking the motor to be programmed to the tradtional gen 4 speed programming. They'll need to do some coordinating with Bosch and R&M, but it's totally the way to go. It's much more peppy and sporty. The Cargoline has a lot of power available but it can feel sluggish at times especially if you don't have a heavy load which is what it's optimized for.
Really good review and video overall.
Now... if you would need to choose between 60 or 75, what would you recommend?
Afaik, the 75 rides just / similar as the 60, but with nearly 50% more cargo volume.
Would you say this is a no-brainer and recommend the 75, or are there other factors you would call out?!
I personally don’t have kids or a too much cargo need so I generally would opt for the 60. I think Tara my videographer prefers to ride in the front of the 75, but we make the 60 work.
@@Propelbikes Thanks! i am just not sure what to aim for... i like the sporty look of the 60, the highbox with the glovebox, but then i think, just some bucks more and you got 50% more cargo space... you never know what you might wanna transport.
my kids are nearly9 and nearly2. i dont think i would like to ride my son with 9y around, however he would definitely want to... who wouldnt :D but do you think a bigger child and a smaller shild would fit the 60? like for a 1h drive?
Two kids I would do the 75 for sure. One facing front and the bigger kid facing back.
@@Propelbikes Thanks again! really appreciate you takin' time! Greetings from germany!
Looks like an amazing bike! That low-slung cargo box must make for a great center of balance, but have you ever been high centered? There are some pretty big speed bumps in some of the neighborhoods around here where the bike routes are. Does that bike have as much clearance as a car?
Is the price really justifiable or this is product is for enthusiasts?
You mention that it is possible to switch the lights off. Could you please paste a link here for the instructions? It would be nice to be able to switch bethween OFF/ON/Long distance lighting.
Your dealer would need to make this change, but if it’s a HS bike it might not be legal in some places.
At 9'50" you say you have some videos about different drivetrain. Do you have a video spefically on the Rohloff 14spd? Thnx
Sorry for my delayed comment. I’m working on doing more of our own, but I did this video with Court from Electric Bike Review which you can check out:
ua-cam.com/video/5r4o951A_5c/v-deo.html
What with the current Covid 19 situation and the restrictions we're going to have with public transport moving forward here in the UK these type of bikes really could be the future, I certainly hope so, healthy, practical and clean for the environment, what's not to like, apart from perhaps the purchase price! Great review, thank you.
Thanks a bunch! I totally agree with you on this!
My only experience with the Enviolo continuously variable transmission is on a non electric Citibike in Jersey City/NYC. Can you speak to how it is different on a bike like this? I can appreciate that Citibike may have a lower speed threshold by design and therefore the gear range is smaller.
The range on the Citibike N330 have less gear range than the N380 on this bike. Otherwise they are similar.
Did you ever have issues with rust on the fork? I did after 3 month, warranty is still going on.
Great detailed video!
For such an expensive and heavy cargo bike, why doesn't R&M upgrade the hydraulics braking system to double pistons to increase brake power for heavier load. Do you think that's a necessary upgrade for 2021?
The 2021 brakes have been upgraded. The previous ones worked well, but the new ones made some nice improvements. An important detail to note is that all parts on R&M bikes are tested to be on their bikes. Historically Tektro was the only company that made a brake which could work consistently with this long of a line up until now with the TRP Cargo bike brakes which are spec'd now.
@@Propelbikes Awesome! Can't wait to get another one for my wife!
Great review. I’m wondering how long does it take to charge those two batteries? What is the overall length and weight?
Weight is above 40kgs, charging of one batterie takes about 4 hours from empty
Thanks! As Mike said the batteries take about 4 hours each so two would be 8 hours unless you got another charger. The length is 105" and the weight is around 100lbs depending on your configuration.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. If you're carrying about 130 to 150lbs of cargo what kind of motor programming would best hoping to still get the higher speeds?
I would probably go with the Performance Line High Speed over the Cargo from my perspective.
Hi Chris!!! I have the load 75 and we love it! I mostly use it to transport my wife in the front. My wife has been complaining about the cold wind during these cool windy days of fall. I’m considering purchasing the rain cover. Will the rain cover work with my current set up. I have the hard top box which has a lid and locks up. Will the rain cover work on my set up or do I have to remove the box or buy anything else? Please let me know?
Hi, I just ordered a Load 60 here in NZ. I got the child seats and footwell, and we only have one kid. She's 4, but she's a tall 4. Should I be worried about the size of the bike?? The 75 seemed like overkill for us.
I wouldn’t be concerned. Tara my videographer rides in the Load 60 all day long. She’s about 5’4”. I think after 5’6” you need to be a bit more flexible. At 5’9” I do it, but I wouldn’t want to for extended rides.
@@Propelbikes That’s a relief! Thank you Chris. Stay safe.
Same to you!
How’s the bike going Dave? Also in NZ. Going to have two under two soon and looking at the urban arrow and this. Where’d you buy yours?
Do NY Waterway allow these on the ferries? Need to bring one home from your shop in BK across the Hudson to JC.
I believe they do. I know some have taken them on the ferry. We could also arrange delivery
@@Propelbikes I got the Argo kit, and need an upgrade. Definitely will need to see the largest bike they allow. I can already feel the annoyed glaring eyes of snooty passengers. What's the time frame from order to pickup?
It really depends. Right now we have at least one in stock available for sale. If you email us through our website we can give you a better estimate. Https://propelbikes.com
Hey Chris what do you recommend for locking the Load 75. I have a long but heavy chain (kryptonite NY noose 1213). Would the abus granit could folding work okay for most other scenarios? Cant wait to get the new load in white, some real storm trooper vibes coming through. Thanks!
Great review. I have two questions.
1. as a photographer I’d like to have an alu box like the urban arrow cargo or bullitt cargo to transport my equipment. Around 250 liters would be nice, able to lock it seriously. Is something like that available?
2. Is there a way to unlock more power/speed? Especially fot long straight roads here in the netherlands.
What if it rains hard all of a sudden, can the water drain from the box somehow?
Yes, the box has drainage.
Are they using the new Bosch smart system? Also curious if they are going to use the box from the packster?
I plan to launch a cargo bike rental in my city. To start with, I will start with three bikes, but I have a problem choosing a specific model. Do you think the load 75 you are presenting would be a good choice? Is it not too much of a developed structure? Do you think that a person unfamiliar with this bike, having first contact with it, could spoil something about it because of its ignorance? However, is it a solid enough construction to withstand such circumstances? Or maybe you could tell me which model you would use for renting?
You said the tradition cx programming is smoother. Can you please explain more the difference between the cx and performance programming ? Is the assistance different? Is the power different?
That is a sweet machine
We definitely think so too :)
What is the oldest age or weight/height that the front seat is designed for?
I have this setup also, with the Rohloff and carbon drive. I feel this vibration when pedalling, almost like resonating usually when pedalling close to cadence 80 and speed more than 20km/h. Does this have something to do with the carbon drive? The volume levels on the Rohloff are very much lower starting from gear 8, do you agree?
I would have your shop make sure the drop outs are perfectly aligned. It’s natural to get some resonating, but this could help.
@@Propelbikes OKOK, do you also have the change in sound volume levels when using lower than gear 8 and above on the Rohloff?
This is normal. Adding more oil will also
reduce the noise. If there is too much oil it might start to leak out though.
Do you have any recommendations on GPS tracker for this bike? It would be nice to be able to connect the tracker to unused motor electricity cables to charge the tracker.
I wish I did. I hope more become available eventually. I’ll look into making a video discussing the different options.
@@Propelbikes Especially now that the motor size was reduced.. I´m not sure if there is enough space for placing the tracker inside the casing like Powunity used to do for 2019 model. It would be nice to know if Bosch has enough space for the power cable to come out of the motor cable routes.. Then it could be possible to run the cables inside the frame to preferred location. I´m considering www.swisstrackgps.com/ since they have the "open source" version and I am also able to listen to the tracker surrounding sounds at any time and one use their own sim card. I hope this topic and video comes soon :) Thank you for your replies!!
Thanks a bunch for your feedback. I totally agree. I’ll dig in more and see what I can come up with.
I use the Powunity. I got it fitted on my Load 75 when I was buying it. Haven't had to use it in anger yet thankfully. But this looks good too: boomerangbike.com
Chris, great review on a very interesting bike. A few questions for you. Since it is a fairly long bike does it feel odd or clumsy navigating through traffic and while commuting or do you quickly adapt to the length? In your video you seem quite comfortable riding it around town. I wonder if hills, uneven pavement, dirt trails or roads like out in the country upset the balance of the bike since your video mostly shows it running around in the city. Also, when running errands, i.e. going to get groceries, picking up a package, going to work, etc., do you just lock it with the cafe lock or do you go all out and use multiple locks? Last, do you install the Tannus Armour inserts on this model for customers or are the tires sufficiently puncture protected with the Schwalbe tires. I have the Schwalbe Marathon Plus on my bike and they have been awesome but after hearing you mention on another video the Tannus inserts I am considering adding them to my tires for extra puncture assurance. Man, I got carried away asking questions. Great review as always. =)
Thanks Juan! I hope you are well. The bike takes more anticipation to turn since you need to make wider turns. These can handle some really rough terrain. I actually took the shorter one on some pretty serious mountain bike trails with Tara in the front and it performed really well.
I will use just the cafe lock if the bike is in my sight but usually I'll add some additional locks when shopping and such. I use the Load 60 with a lockable top all the time. I'll be taking it grocery shopping today actually.
I don't think you'll need the Tannus liners on your Marathon Plus tires since they have a significant amount of protection, but they could make the tires even more puncture proof. I hope this helps.
@@Propelbikes Chris, thx for taking the time to reply. Much appreciated. =)
You got it! :)
In an ideal world it would be very good, but in my area of London there's a lot of traffic, especially in the morning and evening. I take the children to school along narrow roads and a cargo bike wouldn't get me to the school any quicker than my electric car. Also, in the winter when it is 0c, it's not so nice being freezing cold.
Oh so the CX, andCargo has similar differences like Shimano has just different default assist levels? The E6100 motor has Dynamic and Comfort and the E8000 has the same ones (named differently) and a full custom mode.
Just that you can do the change yourself with shimano.
Chris what are the dimensions of the cargo area
Hi Jason! The Load 75 cargo area measures roughly 16.5 x 29.5 inches with a 6.5-foot wheelbase.
Price?
Hi Robert! The bike starts at around $8,000. You can see more info with prices at propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-load-75/
Are the batteries water proof ? Can I ride the bike while it’s raining for example?
They aren't waterproof, but you will have no problem riding in the rain.
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Brilliant video is there any way the rear brake light could be retro fitted to the 2019 r and m load 75 ? Also can the tray be bought for the load area with low side walls on 2019 model ?
technically it’s possible to retrofit brake lights but it’s a big job as you need to change the brake levers and run wiring. I’ve seen some bike brake lights which work using an accelerometer and that might be an easier retrofit since you only need to add the light.
The tray will only work with the high sidewalls as far as I understand.
You need to focus on the sound quality and sound capture on your videos. In one same video you have moments in which the sound is great and some others in which it is to low to hear without raising the volume. It's not ok! Thanks for the videos!
I know it might seem easy, but it's really not. We have been constantly improving though.
@@Propelbikes yes, I understand it's not. But continue enjoying and with the good work. Thanks!
Does it ‘feel’ huge compared to the 60 version?
Not huge, but handling isn’t as sporty and you need to make wider turns.
Propel Electric Bikes ordered a Touring version of the 2020 Load with a box today. I really wanted belt drive, but the Enviolo will struggle with hills and the wait time for Rohloff was a bit to long for me (not to mention the price). I hope I get the bike next week (if I’m lucky).
Thank you for the thorough reviews, they really help :)
my nearest supermarket is too far to go on foot, very Serca to go by car and a backpack does not fit my purchases if I go by bicycle, this cargo bike could withstand a slope of 10 to 20 degrees?
With full load?
This could definitely handle it. The non-speed motor will have a bit more torque but either can handle it in my experience
How do you keep these types of bikes SAFE in the street if you need to go out and leave them in bike parking for some time?
I’m looking for a picture of the rain cover.
You should be able to see it here:
www.r-m.de/en-au/bikes/load-75/
any load4 review coming to the chanel ?
How safe lock???
I made a in depth video about this topic if you want to check it out.
ua-cam.com/video/j99HdeFh0DE/v-deo.html
Are you allow to take price? What is the ballpark of one of these joints?
Hi Chris the actual size of the cargo area is 75by what
Jason Walsh it’s somewhere about 46-47cm width closest to the rider. About 5 cm narrower than the urban arrow.
Hi Jason! The Load 75 cargo area measures roughly 16.5 x 29.5 inches.
What age/size is the seating for two in the box comfortable for?
Do you think they will upgrade the Load series to include the cable steering from the packster?
Not in the foreseeable future
@@Propelbikes That's a shame... do you feel the packster with a suspension seat post is equivalent in ride or is the Load just superior?
Unfortunately the Packster is no longer available. But I prefer the load steering over the Packster personally
Hi my name is Keith I would like to know if you guys can tell me,if your store sale the Gleam bikes-cargo version
Hey Kieth! Thanks for reaching out! We are working on getting a Gleam cargo bike into our NY store soon as a demo and we should have them available next year I hope.
ouch 12k thats tooo expensive for me
Does R&M have any theft protection?
They all usually come with some locks. In some countries the have GPS tracking with insurance but it’s not available in the US where we are. We usually recommend people get insurance and good locks and GPS isn’t as good as it seems in my experience.
Propel Electric Bikes thx for the reply. Great review
Thank you!
@@Propelbikes Why do you think GPS isn't as good as it seems? I'd like to know. Great review, though
What is the Wattage of this motor please
What’s the max age (approx) of a kid it could carry. I have a nine year old and a 7 year old bu worried it’s not quite big enough
With the Load 75 and 3 seats it would be fine for most kids those ages. They will need to arrange their feet a bit, but height shouldn’t be a problem.
My 9 and almost 7-year-old fit comfortably facing each other. They don't fit shoulder to shoulder. The box can handle up to 220 pounds.
How can I get one in Utah?
I don’t think there is a shop their currently but we have shipped several to Utah
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How much could this cost ? 3k 6k ? Nope, 13k CAD. I guess ill stick with my car.
Agree it's a big investment but road/registration taxes & fuel costs should help pay down over a few years
Xe này bán giá bao nhiêu vậy Anh, có nhập khẩu sang Việt Nam không.
Whats the price in the USA?
Check out our website for pricing: propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-load-75/
Note to Riese & Müller - "Coal Grey Matt" is not a great color name for ebikes. Color is awesome. Dump coal.
That’s good feedback. I’ll let their color guy know ;)
The price is too high for bicycle
That is too big, longer than a SUV.
It’s big, but definitely not longer than an SUV
Are you freaking kidding me, this is a 10,000 dollar bicycle????? I'd rather just get a car.
You mentioned reprogramming the motor. Is it possible to buy the HS version and reconfigure it to max 25kmh when you have periods where you want to transport young children?
That’s not possible unfortunately
Price?