Thanks so much for watching! :) This bike has been fully upgraded and redesigned and is back in stock on our website. Check out the link in the description for more information!
Hi, I share your enthusiasm for these r&m-cargo bikes and it sure is nice to see that I am not the only one. The World needs a whole lot more cargo bikes and a hole lot less cars.
Just ordered mine today. I'm very excited! I think my kids will love going on adventures in this bike and making family memories. Thanks for this and all the other fantastic videos, Propel!
What kind of antivol are you going to use? I'll opt for a U xplus 540 15hb300 and a Bordo 6500A/110 SH Smart X from abuse. For the back, I hesitate to put on bags or a safe. What are you gonna put on?I also intend to draw gps, but I don't know which model. Please help me 🙏 Yours truly
@@cardingue I did not get this one, but I did get the R&M Load 60. For anti-theft, I went with an ABUS Bordo 6000 folding alarm lock + the cafe lock with its ABUS chain that attaches to it. At home, I use that configuration in addition to a Kryptonite chain. For the rear rack, I am using a Vincita rack bag that I use on my other bikes as well. It has a UniKlip lock system (not super secure but good enough for quick stops or in safer areas)
@@Dilbert0123 What did you not like about the Packster? I've never ridden one but I bet compared to the Load it would be a harsher ride. Although, I do like the way the Packster has the battery though. I'm guessing they will do that to the Load in a generation or 2.
I was waiting for your review and it worth it! As asual, your video is great! Thank you very much! I can’t wait to have mine! (I ordered it few times ago in France) It should be nice to have a test ride in New York! Please continue to give us your high quality reviews! Maybe you will show us soon some Kiffy bike (hand made French bikes). 😉
Great review. Helpful. And by the way, watching all the thoughtful ideas you shared, about the children in the bike, I think you would make a Great Dad.
That’s very kind of you to say Carol! It really means a lot to me to hear this. I turn 40 this year, but I think there is still hope for me to have kids in my future :)
Yippee! Waiting for this vid since Sept 2020. It doesn’t disappoint. Wins the Bike Internet this weekend. Crisp and colourful camera work. Crisp and colourful reviewing (I like that you do it for novice and know-it-all alike). Chris, you’re obviously “tickled pink” by this bike - me too. What an awesome design. Layer upon layer of functional ideas, blended into beautiful lines and details: Cable steering - a real game changer. Purion - sensible simplicity. Child cover - functionality beyond your wildest dreams. It’s THE family bike and outstanding as a commercial workhorse. And there’s still stuff we haven’t seen yet (just place holders on R&M web). Active transport design of the decade. Your video truly does the P70 justice. Namaste 🙏 One more thing! (Oh if only Jobsy was still with us). 😔 P70 design and functionality is way ahead of anything the World Auto Industry doing right now (just distracting gizmos and bling from them - pathetic).
Thanks a bunch Mike! Good to see you on here again! I do love this bike and I'm excited to spend some more time on it. Hope you're doing well! Still dreaming of my UK trip.
Another great review by Chris, thanks for that. I currently have an Urban Arrow (I live in Belgium and they are the most common here). Before I bought the Urban Arrow I did many testdrives also with the R&M Load but with all their bikes I had an Internal struggle: the R&M drove more fun for dad but was not the ideal seating for the kids. As the bike would most of the time be used for commuting with the kids we gave priority to their comfort and bought the Urban Arrow. But this is now a game changer for me. On the urban arrow I'm missing a suspension in the front and the turning Ange is a nightmare (you should see me try to turn the monster in heavy traffic :-)) comfort, dual battery (very cool integrated...) to bad that it's not full suspension like the load, that combination would be my ultimate dream as some of my commuting route could be more fun with an "off road" shortcut. anyway, again very nice job by R&M and top review by Chris!!!
Thanks for all your videos. I'm in the learning stage, but I'm getting a great idea of what I want. Granted it's already twice as much as I originally wanted to pay, but I'm thinking I'll use it twice as much as I originally thought I would.
@@Propelbikes Don't worry, we Germans take your English version :-) The steering is the real innovation of this bike. The battery mounting and the cargo box are very nice as well (a German R&M Load rider)
Really torn between the Packster 70 vs the Load 60 vs the Tern GSD. I love the design of the Packster 70. I think I got my Stromer ST1 for a similar reason. It just looks sexy and I think the Packster has a wonderful design. I just like that that can stand on its end, which means you could easily store them in a shed. My Stromer is a beast to store because of its weight... either way... all amazon bikes. Really wish we saw more people adopting cycling in US life.
Hi, would you be able to let me know the length of the legroom in the Packster 70 and comparison to the Load 75 and 60 please? Lots of information on volume and but I'd love to know if my 4 and 2 year old can fit comfortably! Thank you 🙏
Many thanks for this review. So Load 75 has one more suspension. Does this additional suspension make any difference to the children sitting in front or is it only improving the rider's comfort?
I think too many reviews about cargobikes and ebikes do just list the things the bike has. Yes I can read from the brochure that it has enviolo hub, belt drive and bosch motor. What is missing is what's it like to use? Is the cargo area easy to load? How it handles? etc. You know what a user experiences. Now the reviews are all kind of the same. Maybe you should even do some kind of an errand with the bike? GCN made a video about a cargobike were they collected past date food and brought it to a charity organization.
This bike is awesome! Almost makes me want to have more kids to justify the purchase-almost! What do you think is the limit for hauling kids in terms of height/weight in the box? Would be great to see a real world demonstration of capacity limits-with kids and/or a small adult! Great content as always!
This is how I feel. I often want to have kids just to ride them around in a cargo bike. I'm thinking about asking to borrow some. lol I will try to get some videos in the future carrying kids/adults. It can definitely handle it well :)
In Holland you see most Babboe bakfietsen. And I think those Babboe cargo bikes look so very beautiful and good. They just look cozy in Dutch. You must have seen them when you were in the Netherlands.
The riese and muller line is lovely, with a price tag. I think it would make an excellent car replacement. Unfortunately, I feel that bike infrastructure and safe parking like you mentioned in a previous video is really a huge factor in considering an e-bike over other modes of transport. Rear cargo will be safer for passengers, but for actual cargo, a front load probably works better. I'm still on the fence about investing in an e-bike as a car replacement.
I do feel like this parking thing is a major issue that needs to fully unlock the power of these bikes. I don't know if I agree that rear would be safer for passengers. Both have their merits. If the box has a frame you'd be surprised how well it protects, even in a collision.
Never used a cargo bike (only convential Dutch city bicycles), though I can imagine having to get used to the way steering works with a front loader, being that the handlebar and front wheel are not above eachother like a normal bicycle.
I understand the total weight capacity of the Packster is 200kg. But does that include the bike too? If it does, it's a bit slight compared to other models rated up to 250kg total weight capacity.
I have a question that I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere... My local ebike shop has the old model of this, the Packster 80 available and at a decent discount. The only hang up I have is that small chainring on the Generation 2 motor with the gearbox to make it 2.5 turns for every rotation of the pedals. This seems like you'd lose a lot of efficiency and that it would be much harder to pedal with the assist turned off. Anyone have any comparison experience to tell me? Is the efficiency loss significant? Why would they have designed the motor like that in the first place? I've been kind of set on the newer large chain ring version...but the only one available in my area is a fully loaded Load 75....for $13,000! It's 5,000 dollars more expensive than the old model Packster 80. edit: And I don't want to wait 9 months for a brand new order.
Very descriptive video as usual. I was quite surprised about this bike being larger on the overall capacity than the packster 80, even if the bed its 10 centimetres shorter. I'm a little confused is the back wheel a 26 x 2.4 or like the old packster 27.50 x2.4 ? The information you provided it's different from the bike specifications on the website. Looking to get the touring version in a few weeks
@@Propelbikes thank you for the clarification. That's quite annoying I bought the wrong inner tubes then. The website from Riese and Muller provides the wrong information.
Hi there awesome cargo bike technologies these days, engineering is brilliant. Do you have a particular brand you steer your customers too for ice cream vendors please? I'm really wanting the same genius innovation so expense is relative in a bike or trike as it can be written off on taxes. Thank you fascinating bikes wow! 👍
Unfortunately, it seems this model is no longer available. I was enjoying the pure cargo carrying capacity plus the solid lid to keep things dry. Seen the price of the others and a used car would be cheaper AND less likely to be stolen. 😒 Nobody wants to steal a Flintstone mobile.
Interesting to see that they use two different types of tires. The rear tire has a higher indicated maximum load capacity to the one in front, but why not use the same higher rated tire front and back? I guess that's because the Super Moto-X in 20" is too wide for the front? I see that two years on, they still offer this combination, while they could just go for the Schwalbe Pick-Up.. or perhaps that doesn't quite compare as favorably to the Moto-X?
Very similar to CaGo bike. Same steering system as the Bogbi bikes.The CaGo has a lower step through and dual batteries in a lock box in the bottom of the front box Both bikes updated versions of the Urban Arrow IMHO.
Hi are these models ever coming back on sale? I prefer them to the load models but according to the latest releases it doesn't look like it unfortunately..
Do you think it's more difficult to steal the batteries on the packster 70 due to the configuration, than the Load for instance? As well if I remove the batteries will that not affect the internal wiring due to water getting in?
Hi ! Thank you very much for the video. We ordered ours in February, they have delayed delivery twice. The bike is supposed to finally be home at the end of August! Do you know how many kilos and what size can the baby chair hold? Thanks
Do you know how to tighten the steering? I bought one that I am waiting to receive but the model I tried in the shop seemed to have a fairly loose steering and I have no clue how it works for cable steering. Also I only took one battery does that mean the weight will be uneven on the bike (as battery on only one side). And lastly are there holes on the frame to put a bottle cage? Thanks :-)
I thin, it has something to do with the steering cable, apparently it was unsafe to the point that it could snap. Though not many incidents were reported they decided to recall all units. Good on R&M for their safety concern.
Will the new frame/improvements be integrated into the Load? How future proof are these bikes? Lets say in 10 years the motor fails. Will a replacement be available? Thanks. Great job on the videos.
The Bosch motors and batteries are the best, and continuing to improve. The older versions are still available, and Bosch supports the customer, still having many older stock available. I’m under the impression you’ll have no problem ten years down the line with finding replacement parts etc. It is worth having the bicycle serviced at least once a year (depending on your mileage) with a qualified shop. They’ll also update any new firmware from Bosch at the same time.
Some considerations. Very rough terrain -> Load Want HS -> Load More range -> Packster (25% more for the dual 625) Rohloff - > Load Personally I still pick the Load for full suspension and HS, but if I had kids in a smaller town and a less busy life I would look strongly at the Packster. Everyone is different though
very nice looking bike, the only comment i have is that the cargo floor is not flat as it is accommodating the batteries. I would think kids would not be comfortable specially the when they reach the age of 8... The base option comes with 1 battery which for the ones who don't need the extended range, will be penalised with the reduced floor again for the empty second battery tube
@@Propelbikes thanks for the input, i am now looking for a new cargo bike. The urban arrow we have is sort of lacking the power as kids grow, shopping is getting heavier, i can see how this new bike and new motor woud help. If i was near you i'd for sure get our bikes from your shop, from watching your videos, it is safe to say that your business values the customer relationship not only guiding for the right choice but also throughout the lifetime of the ownership that is what i miss a lot in the shops in NL... I still value a lot your videos because they provide a wealth of information
@@denverspin The motor was fine. From what I understood the problem lied with the steering (via cable transmission). It's the same system as on the "Douze cycles" cargo bikes: the front wheel is connected to the handles via a system of cables, instead of a "stick". It gives you WAY more control when you steer (I tried a Douze cycles cargo bike and it's really awesome). It was the first time R&M tried to implement that kind of steering in one of their bikes and they realized afterwards had a small percentage of issues with it. As they didn't want to be held liable in case of accident, they stopped production.
That cable stirring system resembles very much like the Bogbi’s (Designed in Norway, made in Bogotá) stirring system. Also, I’m curious what the spring system looks like from the bottom view of the new kick stand as it seems very smooth and much quieter than the initial design. Definitely looking into adding this beauty into my daily life. Love the new updates!
I'll never understand the need for super bright bicycle lights in an urban environment. All they do is irritate opposing traffic on the bike trail or lane. Their main purpose should be to make the bicyclist visible via low level light, not needlessly annoy other bicyclists with high beams on a path that's already lit with urban street lighting.
Quality light set up properly should not irritate opposing traffic. I’m just the same way cars headlights generally don’t either due to the cut off on the top of the light beam. Many cheaper lights don’t control the throw the light and they can be really annoying. One thing to consider is with eBikes many people might break out of the confines of their urban environment and many places are not so well lit. We did a video with Catrin from Riese & Muller and part of her commute to work at R&M is through a forest and this sort of light is ideal for this.
Riese Muller just took the Packster off market. A well designed bicycle which never left the prototype stage and turned out to be total crap in customer hands: Still, stopp, too dangerous to move! No substitute of course, no alternative offer. Instead of confessing how they annoyed customers, they give you money back and call it generous. How do I get my Kids to Kindergarten now? No bikes are available Not Even yours, numbnuts? I sold the car based on a 10.000 USD promise! This is something to remember, folks!
Why would you continue to leave this review live on UA-cam when these have all been recalled and have been eliminated from their product line due to a bad steering design? Doesn’t seem ethical IMO to leave it up. Someone who failed to return their unit and then re-sold it and the new owner put their children in it after watching your review!!! I have unsubscribed from your channel. Buhbye
"easily sustain" 23mph on a cargo bike in casual clothes. I doubt it. Doing some rough physics: you probably have a cda (air drag) of .45 to .6+. (road bike + road bike cloths on the tops is about .35 or so. we can assume this giant brick of a bike, non aero clothes, and upright position further increase drag). Lets assume you have exceptionally good rolling resistance tires for a cargo bike crr= .006 Lets assume you and the bike weigh 220lbs combined Super efficient drive train with only 2% power loss This comes out to about 400 watts to sustain. 400watts is what a typical world class professional level cyclist can maintain for about an hour or so. Even then those individuals would consider 400 watts to not remotely be "easy to sustain". It would be more akin to "quite difficult" or "pushing hard on the pedals". A person of your fitness could probably do 400 watts for no more than 1-2 minutes at a maximal effort.
Lol. You won’t be as cool without it though. On a serious note though, this bike is built to push the limits of what is possible by bike. There are plenty of options out there that are less expensive, but if you want to replace your car and you have a kids this a damn good option.
Thanks so much for watching! :)
This bike has been fully upgraded and redesigned and is back in stock on our website. Check out the link in the description for more information!
Hi, I share your enthusiasm for these r&m-cargo bikes and it sure is nice to see that I am not the only one. The World needs a whole lot more cargo bikes and a hole lot less cars.
Who wouldn't get excited about these bikes?!
just visual the happiness as a parent would cherish with their kids in these..
Just ordered mine today. I'm very excited! I think my kids will love going on adventures in this bike and making family memories.
Thanks for this and all the other fantastic videos, Propel!
What kind of antivol are you going to use? I'll opt for a U xplus 540 15hb300 and a Bordo 6500A/110 SH Smart X from abuse. For the back, I hesitate to put on bags or a safe. What are you gonna put on?I also intend to draw gps, but I don't know which model. Please help me 🙏
Yours truly
@@cardingue I did not get this one, but I did get the R&M Load 60. For anti-theft, I went with an ABUS Bordo 6000 folding alarm lock + the cafe lock with its ABUS chain that attaches to it. At home, I use that configuration in addition to a Kryptonite chain. For the rear rack, I am using a Vincita rack bag that I use on my other bikes as well. It has a UniKlip lock system (not super secure but good enough for quick stops or in safer areas)
So, did you turn it back in like me? F&@€ Packster!
@@Dilbert0123 What did you not like about the Packster? I've never ridden one but I bet compared to the Load it would be a harsher ride. Although, I do like the way the Packster has the battery though. I'm guessing they will do that to the Load in a generation or 2.
@@MTLClimb They recalled all of the Packster 70s.
I was waiting for your review and it worth it!
As asual, your video is great! Thank you very much!
I can’t wait to have mine! (I ordered it few times ago in France)
It should be nice to have a test ride in New York!
Please continue to give us your high quality reviews!
Maybe you will show us soon some Kiffy bike (hand made French bikes). 😉
Thanks a bunch! Enjoy it!
Great review. Helpful.
And by the way, watching all the thoughtful ideas you shared, about the children in the bike, I think you would make a Great Dad.
That’s very kind of you to say Carol! It really means a lot to me to hear this. I turn 40 this year, but I think there is still hope for me to have kids in my future :)
I hope that opportunity arises for you.
The new packster 70 is also available with rear suspension !
Yippee! Waiting for this vid since Sept 2020. It doesn’t disappoint. Wins the Bike Internet this weekend.
Crisp and colourful camera work.
Crisp and colourful reviewing (I like that you do it for novice and know-it-all alike). Chris, you’re obviously “tickled pink” by this bike - me too.
What an awesome design. Layer upon layer of functional ideas, blended into beautiful lines and details:
Cable steering - a real game changer.
Purion - sensible simplicity.
Child cover - functionality beyond your wildest dreams.
It’s THE family bike and outstanding as a commercial workhorse. And there’s still stuff we haven’t seen yet (just place holders on R&M web).
Active transport design of the decade. Your video truly does the P70 justice.
Namaste 🙏
One more thing! (Oh if only Jobsy was still with us). 😔
P70 design and functionality is way ahead of anything the World Auto Industry doing right now (just distracting gizmos and bling from them - pathetic).
Thanks a bunch Mike! Good to see you on here again! I do love this bike and I'm excited to spend some more time on it. Hope you're doing well! Still dreaming of my UK trip.
Another great review by Chris, thanks for that. I currently have an Urban Arrow (I live in Belgium and they are the most common here). Before I bought the Urban Arrow I did many testdrives also with the R&M Load but with all their bikes I had an Internal struggle: the R&M drove more fun for dad but was not the ideal seating for the kids. As the bike would most of the time be used for commuting with the kids we gave priority to their comfort and bought the Urban Arrow. But this is now a game changer for me.
On the urban arrow I'm missing a suspension in the front and the turning Ange is a nightmare (you should see me try to turn the monster in heavy traffic :-))
comfort, dual battery (very cool integrated...)
to bad that it's not full suspension like the load, that combination would be my ultimate dream as some of my commuting route could be more fun with an "off road" shortcut.
anyway, again very nice job by R&M and top review by Chris!!!
Thanks for all your videos. I'm in the learning stage, but I'm getting a great idea of what I want. Granted it's already twice as much as I originally wanted to pay, but I'm thinking I'll use it twice as much as I originally thought I would.
realy good and complete review. thanks a lot. I'm from Germany, but your my favourite Reviewer of Cargobikes :)
Wow, thanks! I feel honored. I wish I knew German and I could do a German version. I sure do miss Germany these days.
@@Propelbikes Don't worry, we Germans take your English version :-)
The steering is the real innovation of this bike.
The battery mounting and the cargo box are very nice as well
(a German R&M Load rider)
@@Propelbikes I am a fan of your content as well, and If you want to, I could provide German subtitles
😍 this cargo bike. Hmm could forgot about buying an SUV and just get this!! 😃
Exactly!
My dream is to see a line of cargo bikes parked outside of my daughters school, instead of cars.
Really torn between the Packster 70 vs the Load 60 vs the Tern GSD. I love the design of the Packster 70. I think I got my Stromer ST1 for a similar reason. It just looks sexy and I think the Packster has a wonderful design. I just like that that can stand on its end, which means you could easily store them in a shed. My Stromer is a beast to store because of its weight... either way... all amazon bikes. Really wish we saw more people adopting cycling in US life.
I mean… just LOOK AT IT!!! WHAT AN AMAZING BICYCLE THIS IS!!
It’s pioneering, that’s for sure
Totally agree Max!
Hi, would you be able to let me know the length of the legroom in the Packster 70 and comparison to the Load 75 and 60 please? Lots of information on volume and but I'd love to know if my 4 and 2 year old can fit comfortably! Thank you 🙏
Many thanks for this review. So Load 75 has one more suspension.
Does this additional suspension make any difference to the children sitting in front or is it only improving the rider's comfort?
Great vidéo (as usual) many many thanks. Packster looks great !, how did you find the riding feeling and stability ?
I'd say this is one of the most stable cargo bikes I have ever ridden. That cable steering is super nice and responsive.
Wondering why this wasn't on there website and there was a global recall oop
I think too many reviews about cargobikes and ebikes do just list the things the bike has. Yes I can read from the brochure that it has enviolo hub, belt drive and bosch motor. What is missing is what's it like to use? Is the cargo area easy to load? How it handles? etc. You know what a user experiences. Now the reviews are all kind of the same. Maybe you should even do some kind of an errand with the bike? GCN made a video about a cargobike were they collected past date food and brought it to a charity organization.
I really appreciate you taking the time to provide this feedback and I will consider this in future reviews.
This bike is awesome! Almost makes me want to have more kids to justify the purchase-almost! What do you think is the limit for hauling kids in terms of height/weight in the box? Would be great to see a real world demonstration of capacity limits-with kids and/or a small adult! Great content as always!
This is how I feel. I often want to have kids just to ride them around in a cargo bike. I'm thinking about asking to borrow some. lol
I will try to get some videos in the future carrying kids/adults. It can definitely handle it well :)
In Holland you see most Babboe bakfietsen. And I think those Babboe cargo bikes look so very beautiful and good. They just look cozy in Dutch. You must have seen them when you were in the Netherlands.
I have seen them and even built some years ago. This is another level though.
The riese and muller line is lovely, with a price tag. I think it would make an excellent car replacement. Unfortunately, I feel that bike infrastructure and safe parking like you mentioned in a previous video is really a huge factor in considering an e-bike over other modes of transport. Rear cargo will be safer for passengers, but for actual cargo, a front load probably works better. I'm still on the fence about investing in an e-bike as a car replacement.
I do feel like this parking thing is a major issue that needs to fully unlock the power of these bikes. I don't know if I agree that rear would be safer for passengers. Both have their merits. If the box has a frame you'd be surprised how well it protects, even in a collision.
Never used a cargo bike (only convential Dutch city bicycles), though I can imagine having to get used to the way steering works with a front loader, being that the handlebar and front wheel are not above eachother like a normal bicycle.
The bike is great, but i’m mostly wondering where you got that cap. It’s perfect.
I understand the total weight capacity of the Packster is 200kg. But does that include the bike too? If it does, it's a bit slight compared to other models rated up to 250kg total weight capacity.
I have a question that I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere... My local ebike shop has the old model of this, the Packster 80 available and at a decent discount. The only hang up I have is that small chainring on the Generation 2 motor with the gearbox to make it 2.5 turns for every rotation of the pedals. This seems like you'd lose a lot of efficiency and that it would be much harder to pedal with the assist turned off. Anyone have any comparison experience to tell me? Is the efficiency loss significant? Why would they have designed the motor like that in the first place? I've been kind of set on the newer large chain ring version...but the only one available in my area is a fully loaded Load 75....for $13,000! It's 5,000 dollars more expensive than the old model Packster 80. edit: And I don't want to wait 9 months for a brand new order.
Very descriptive video as usual. I was quite surprised about this bike being larger on the overall capacity than the packster 80, even if the bed its 10 centimetres shorter. I'm a little confused is the back wheel a 26 x 2.4 or like the old packster 27.50 x2.4 ? The information you provided it's different from the bike specifications on the website. Looking to get the touring version in a few weeks
Thanks! Super exciting! The wheels are the same 27.5x2.4. Not sure if I mis-spoke in the video?
@@Propelbikes thank you for the clarification. That's quite annoying I bought the wrong inner tubes then. The website from Riese and Muller provides the wrong information.
Hold on you might be right. I forgot that Schwabe started making a 26 inch super Moto X. And I think that is what the bike has.
Hi there awesome cargo bike technologies these days, engineering is brilliant. Do you have a particular brand you steer your customers too for ice cream vendors please? I'm really wanting the same genius innovation so expense is relative in a bike or trike as it can be written off on taxes. Thank you fascinating bikes wow! 👍
Unfortunately, it seems this model is no longer available. I was enjoying the pure cargo carrying capacity plus the solid lid to keep things dry. Seen the price of the others and a used car would be cheaper AND less likely to be stolen. 😒 Nobody wants to steal a Flintstone mobile.
Interesting to see that they use two different types of tires. The rear tire has a higher indicated maximum load capacity to the one in front, but why not use the same higher rated tire front and back? I guess that's because the Super Moto-X in 20" is too wide for the front? I see that two years on, they still offer this combination, while they could just go for the Schwalbe Pick-Up.. or perhaps that doesn't quite compare as favorably to the Moto-X?
Very similar to CaGo bike. Same steering system as the Bogbi bikes.The CaGo has a lower step through and dual batteries in a lock box in the bottom of the front box Both bikes updated versions of the Urban Arrow IMHO.
We agree at first glance, but we highly recommend you ride the bike and compare. You might be surprised at the differences.
Hi are these models ever coming back on sale? I prefer them to the load models but according to the latest releases it doesn't look like it unfortunately..
beautiful bike!!!!!!!!
Also... I loved the 'h.s.' bar comment. ;D
Do you think it's more difficult to steal the batteries on the packster 70 due to the configuration, than the Load for instance? As well if I remove the batteries will that not affect the internal wiring due to water getting in?
It could be slightly more difficult. I wouldn’t be too concerned about water here, but having the battery cap installed might help
Hi ! Thank you very much for the video. We ordered ours in February, they have delayed delivery twice. The bike is supposed to finally be home at the end of August!
Do you know how many kilos and what size can the baby chair hold? Thanks
Do you have any idea from how many months the baby seat can be used? Is it 0-18m? Or 7-18m?
Depends on where you live. Different countries and states have different laws.
Do you know how to tighten the steering? I bought one that I am waiting to receive but the model I tried in the shop seemed to have a fairly loose steering and I have no clue how it works for cable steering. Also I only took one battery does that mean the weight will be uneven on the bike (as battery on only one side). And lastly are there holes on the frame to put a bottle cage? Thanks :-)
There seems to be a recall of this bike. I wonder what that is about? Actually I don’t even see the packsters being sold anymore.
I thin, it has something to do with the steering cable, apparently it was unsafe to the point that it could snap. Though not many incidents were reported they decided to recall all units. Good on R&M for their safety concern.
Are the tyres tubeless? Are the rims tubeless ready? Thank you.
Will the new frame/improvements be integrated into the Load? How future proof are these bikes? Lets say in 10 years the motor fails. Will a replacement be available? Thanks. Great job on the videos.
The Bosch motors and batteries are the best, and continuing to improve.
The older versions are still available, and Bosch supports the customer, still having many older stock available. I’m under the impression you’ll have no problem ten years down the line with finding replacement parts etc.
It is worth having the bicycle serviced at least once a year (depending on your mileage) with a qualified shop. They’ll also update any new firmware from Bosch at the same time.
Five point harnesses 🤣
What’s the Nürburgring time?
Need to put the cable steering on the load... that would be a true improvement..
I think the Load still rocks as it is from my side! The cable steering is great, but the rod steering feels a bit more connected.
Packster or load 60. Decisions.....
Some considerations.
Very rough terrain -> Load
Want HS -> Load
More range -> Packster (25% more for the dual 625)
Rohloff - > Load
Personally I still pick the Load for full suspension and HS, but if I had kids in a smaller town and a less busy life I would look strongly at the Packster. Everyone is different though
@@Propelbikes Rohloff would be 1st choice. Can’t have HS here so Load is still the choice.
Sounds like it
very nice looking bike, the only comment i have is that the cargo floor is not flat as it is accommodating the batteries. I would think kids would not be comfortable specially the when they reach the age of 8...
The base option comes with 1 battery which for the ones who don't need the extended range, will be penalised with the reduced floor again for the empty second battery tube
It actually only takes minimal space as it's on the sides
@@Propelbikes thanks for the input, i am now looking for a new cargo bike. The urban arrow we have is sort of lacking the power as kids grow, shopping is getting heavier, i can see how this new bike and new motor woud help.
If i was near you i'd for sure get our bikes from your shop, from watching your videos, it is safe to say that your business values the customer relationship not only guiding for the right choice but also throughout the lifetime of the ownership that is what i miss a lot in the shops in NL...
I still value a lot your videos because they provide a wealth of information
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Is there more information about the babyseat?
The website says "coming soon" since september :-(
it's available now
Looks amazing.
It's even more amazing to ride!
@@Propelbikes I’d like to understand a bit more about the steering system 👍
*Too bad R&M cancelled this line and recalled all models sold worldwide, due to serious issues* (regarding the transmission).
The gears and belt drive was the issue, or the Bosch motor?
I thought the motor is bulletproof
@@denverspin The motor was fine. From what I understood the problem lied with the steering (via cable transmission). It's the same system as on the "Douze cycles" cargo bikes: the front wheel is connected to the handles via a system of cables, instead of a "stick". It gives you WAY more control when you steer (I tried a Douze cycles cargo bike and it's really awesome).
It was the first time R&M tried to implement that kind of steering in one of their bikes and they realized afterwards had a small percentage of issues with it.
As they didn't want to be held liable in case of accident, they stopped production.
That cable stirring system resembles very much like the Bogbi’s (Designed in Norway, made in Bogotá) stirring system.
Also, I’m curious what the spring system looks like from the bottom view of the new kick stand as it seems very smooth and much quieter than the initial design.
Definitely looking into adding this beauty into my daily life. Love the new updates!
O live on Brazil and electrical bikes are Very expensive ,gere, unfortunately. Who knows , in the Future I get one to me. Thanks 👍🏻
I'd love to ride an eBike in Brazil!
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Cool stuff but expensive. Now do a video on the electric shopping cart.
Could be expensive from some people's perspective, but I assure you not much compares.
Now I can bring my dog with me.
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I'll never understand the need for super bright bicycle lights in an urban environment. All they do is irritate opposing traffic on the bike trail or lane. Their main purpose should be to make the bicyclist visible via low level light, not needlessly annoy other bicyclists with high beams on a path that's already lit with urban street lighting.
Quality light set up properly should not irritate opposing traffic. I’m just the same way cars headlights generally don’t either due to the cut off on the top of the light beam. Many cheaper lights don’t control the throw the light and they can be really annoying.
One thing to consider is with eBikes many people might break out of the confines of their urban environment and many places are not so well lit. We did a video with Catrin from Riese & Muller and part of her commute to work at R&M is through a forest and this sort of light is ideal for this.
Where's the dog?
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Riese Muller just took the Packster off market. A well designed bicycle which never left the prototype stage and turned out to be total crap in customer hands: Still, stopp, too dangerous to move! No substitute of course, no alternative offer. Instead of confessing how they annoyed customers, they give you money back and call it generous. How do I get my Kids to Kindergarten now? No bikes are available Not Even yours, numbnuts? I sold the car based on a 10.000 USD promise! This is something to remember, folks!
Why would you continue to leave this review live on UA-cam when these have all been recalled and have been eliminated from their product line due to a bad steering design? Doesn’t seem ethical IMO to leave it up. Someone who failed to return their unit and then re-sold it and the new owner put their children in it after watching your review!!! I have unsubscribed from your channel. Buhbye
"easily sustain" 23mph on a cargo bike in casual clothes. I doubt it.
Doing some rough physics:
you probably have a cda (air drag) of .45 to .6+. (road bike + road bike cloths on the tops is about .35 or so. we can assume this giant brick of a bike, non aero clothes, and upright position further increase drag).
Lets assume you have exceptionally good rolling resistance tires for a cargo bike crr= .006
Lets assume you and the bike weigh 220lbs combined
Super efficient drive train with only 2% power loss
This comes out to about 400 watts to sustain. 400watts is what a typical world class professional level cyclist can maintain for about an hour or so. Even then those individuals would consider 400 watts to not remotely be "easy to sustain". It would be more akin to "quite difficult" or "pushing hard on the pedals". A person of your fitness could probably do 400 watts for no more than 1-2 minutes at a maximal effort.
I can get a lot of Uber rides for $6,700.00
Lol. You won’t be as cool without it though. On a serious note though, this bike is built to push the limits of what is possible by bike. There are plenty of options out there that are less expensive, but if you want to replace your car and you have a kids this a damn good option.
That dogs thinkin, wtf
Basically ... 😂
You can remove this video: Packster 70 has been removed from R&M catalog; all bikes already sold are called back.
That’s a fair point. I have to consider how I want to handle that
Is there a specific bike rack that works well to transport front cargo bikes?
When do you think you’ll get the new Homage to review?
I think we are a few weeks out on that one. I'm super excited for that though!
Love it but is so expensive even compared to an urban arrow. Really eat though
A comparable spec'd Urban Arrow is pretty similar in price.
How would you rate the ride comfort compared to the Load 75? As well as the steering feel and action at higher speeds? Thanks!
This bike is really fantastic, but nothing really compares to full suspension for high speed handling.