"less than 20 FPS - a slideshow" - this is how I played most of the games between 1997 - 2001 and really didn't care about the framerate, I was just enjoying the game, the storyline :-)
to be fair, most people were having that experience with consoles as well until the most current generation started; the 360/PS3 gen was especially notorious for really bad performance.
Still rocking an AMD A10-6800k @4.8ghz. Originally bought a Radeon 6670 to do hybrid crossfire and didn't last long. Rocking an Asus Nvidia 960 and it's alright til this day. Will upgrade to a whole new system in a year or so but for now it works for any game I like.
@@viky1354 😊thanks man (English is the first language I learned but since I'm Indian having to learn my mother tongue at home and the national language at the same time pretty much butchered my English) but ya I'm pretty average
I wouldn't say is a beast, I had one of those but with an FM2A75 motherboard (the A85 chipset used in this video came later). I bought it because I didn't have money for a dedicated GPU at that time, and AMD processors cost way less than Intel ones. It served me well, I got a dedicated GPU almost a year later. I still have it in a closet, I put it in a new case last year because my wife needed a PC to work at home. It didn't perform as good as I remember for regular office work, I think Windows 10 now needs more cores to run smoothly nowadays. My wife has a new PC now so it is back into the closet.
a net cafe i built for a client just when this thing released was a succes, since this could run the Most played games at the time (league of legends and cs go) the net cafe saved a considerable amount of money, later down the path, we just added nvidias 750ti and its still rolling making huge profits with a small intial inversion. we're going to refurb the pcs with R5 3400Gs down this year, APUs are amazing budget chips AMAZING!
Thanks for this video! I'm running an AMD A8-5600K on Win10 as my daily driver!!! I'm not playing games, but I have not found it to be needy in any way. AMD Rocks it, baby!!!
There's no friday without PCL friday video! I really like these older APU and part videos, so much content of new parts already so nice to see how older stuff still works :D
It's their single core performance which was bad. But Ryzen closed the gap(difference is now less than 5%) and kicking Intel's ass in multicore performance.
The newer APUs are even better. Check out 3400g videos and they can handle most games in 720p and even 1080p on acceptable settings if you pair them with a good speed set of DDR4 RAM.
I used this APU for YEARS. Once I paired it with a GTX750TI I was able to play almost any game from Steam besides the triple A titles. But all the survival games like Ark, Minecraft, Raft, etc ran fine on medium to high settings. I upgraded a few years ago and now I am considering using this old processor to build a dedicated game server.
Nice it still retains some sort of low end gaming. I built this pc in 2013 for customer and they wanted to sell it now. upgraded extra 4gb ram, added 120 gb ssd with new rgb keyboard mouse combo . Its up for sale now.
Yay, new PCL video! And this little APU looks like a pretty good fit for a cool and quiet WinXP gaming machine. You can probably find better alternatives, though, depending on where you're from. Still impressed with how this APU did, though.
Hey Phil love your videos since long time. Testing and explaining retro hardware...its for me always a pleasure when you go into detail. Please never stop! :) oh and for future i would like to see you test and build more high end retro systems and time correctly builds. Especially mainboards...
I've just had some real issues with retro motherboards! All in all a total of 3 boards from Asus with nForce not working. Asrock with ULI chipset? Worked straight away :D
@@kivelocity932 Just like myself keep saved searches on eBay, and I guess when the parts pop up at the price you are willing to pay, snatch it up, just like I did this morning with an external 4TB HDD for backing up my data.
Yea it's been busy for me lately. I will be doing a video every second week for a while, it just got too hectic and I want to enjoy working on these projects and not have it feel like a second job :D
@@philscomputerlab Yeah stay safe Phil and btw mentioning the C virus apparently can limit monetization (I'm no expert but that's what I'm seeing) so yeah :)
I still have this little APU in my main machine, and the same Mobo, but you will want a video card for sure. I found it runs much better on Manjaro Linux with MATE DE, and at least 16GB of 1866Mhz DDR3 OC to 2133Mhz. I personal have this paired with an AMD RX 560 4GB GPU.
@@philscomputerlab Hey Phil, is there any option to disable cores for xp on the 5800k? And I'm seeing.you temps, they are wild low compared to mine, I'm at 58c idle. It's a mini itx with Silverstone kr01, that seem right?
Its actually not bad for what it is. Could you do a video explaining what directX levels are and/or what they do? It took years to me to understand why some games froze / crashed or simply stated that I dont have DX11 support (even tho my gpu had) until I found out what they where and why, it was cuz my laptop gpu didnt had the DX11 level needed to run 'em.
Lovely spring saturday morning, Hot coffee and Phils new video. Life is good! :) Interesting platform for a HTPC & XP gaming rig. I am using a R3 2200G right now as HTPC (2x8GB 3333MHz cl.16 Samsung mem and it kicks arse in GPU performance), but I would really like a MB with a PCI slot - for my High Fidelity (studio-grade) Soundcard. I see that this MB has one PCI. But of course the A10 APU is a lot slower all around. So a compromise to think about. But have not yet been gaming on my HTPC (Though is the PC we use the most in the house) ;)
Love your videos. I always learn something interesting about older hardware. Helps me fill hardware knowledge gap between Pentium 4 form 2004 and Ryzen 3 1200 I bought in 2017. Back to APU I wonder how it will do with GPU like 1050Ti/RX560
You should OC the NB, for RAM @ 2133 you need to get the NB to at least 2200 or 2400 Mhz. Just by increase the NB clock you can increase your memory read, write, copy performance by up to 1GB/s for every 200 MHz increment in the NB alone. The Piledriver FX also act very similarly, fast RAM and fast NB can net you good chunk of FPS increase and response time.
It would be great if you could add something like "Games in the video: Apex Legends, Dirt 3, etc." in the description, just in case you forgot to mention one or if the name is not on the video. Just an idea. Great video Phil, as always! Thank you!
My 5800k was a beast and ran for 12 years still awesome on windows 7. Just built a new system with the 5600g because the the old hardware didn't run very well with windows 10. Wish we could still use windows 7 but the apps stopped working had no choice but to upgrade. Lets see how long the 5600g will last!
Hey Phil!, big fan of your videos, especially the ones on retro hardware, you influenced me to build several unique retrobuilds (Four, three using 3DFx and one, a Matrox G400 MAX with a voodoo2 24MB SLI config) Im one of the "older" crowd you mentioned in the last video you posted, I have a 5th build in the works using a Voodoo1 and Pentium Overdrive 83 on a rare 486/PCI motherboard you might be interested in. Anyway though im rambling if you ever come across one or wana borrow mine, I for one would be interested in seeing a video on one.
Nice Phil! I'm using my Dad's Lenovo desktop PC which has an A10-6700 APU. We got it 6 years ago, and it runs really well, although I don't know if I should try to game on it.
My partner's computer she bought in 2012 when we first started dating was an AMD A10 APU in a tiny slim Acer and it was alright. Only got rid of it because as time went on it would run hotter and hotter (yes I changed out the thermal paste, know what I'm doing, etc.). Windows 10 was just demanding too much of it maybe. It was sold with Windows 8 and got the free upgrade I believe. We both played a lot of Diablo III on our computers and it handled it just fine.
@@alwinmt I think the readings are wrong, Because the max temp is supposedly 75°(amd says that) so it have no sense! The cpu should shut down it self, or become unstable but no... I am right now using it again and yes, HMonitor read about 100° while playing Fallout 3, a lot of heat but, is it true??? Can't tell for sure..
yea... using the 10-5700 for a nextcloud server. 3 magnetic HDDs, no other hardware connected, 2x8GB RAM, works perferctly, 34 Watts idle. And when some workload is needed, like Talk video conference with 3-4 people, no problems at all
I used to have a machine with the A10-5700 which is essentially a lower clocked and locked version of this APU. I never had these issues you are having here but I was using Windows 7 at the time.
I find it amazing how fast XP can be still to this day. If your gaming rig is closed off from the internet I see no reason to ditch XP for old hardware.
Hi Phil!! Good video, I had (I still have it indeed, but its not in use right now!) one of them, back in 2013. I bought it recommended by someone who promised me that with it I wouldn´t need a video card. Ok that was not true, by any means so 6 months later I ended up adding a gtx 660, so I really missed a big part of it, you know, the integrated graphics. Back then, I heard lot of people hating it for not being more powerful than an i3 in single core task and stuff, but my experience with this proccesor was really good, it never threw my 660 back and bottleneck, if there was some, was not really noticeable. So when retirement time came in 2017 (I was about to go intel but ryzen fell from the sky and I couldn´t resist, stilll goin strong with AMD in the third gen now, with a r5 3600. Not a fanboy) the a10 5800k left a good taste in my mouth, it was a good chip that fullfilled it purpouse very good. So its still in a box with other things, waiting to be awaken again for some proyect like a retro machine in the future or why not, as a secondary pc if needed!!
I had this motherboard and cpu combo with gt 730 it was not bad after this i upgrade to i3 3210 and it was a lot better . thank you very much for your videos i really enjoy them
I used one of these for years. 5800K was not its model number, but the temperature it tried to hit in degrees Kelvin. By the time AM4 boards came out, I was underclocking and undervolting it while using a Corsair H60 water cooler, just to avoid thermal throttling playing old, old games.
Do you ha e Quake4 in your benchmarking kit. I believe that uses the same engine as Doom3 but is more demanding also a good test. Got bores.playing Oblivion?! Awesome game but you a huge commitment as well.
Alex Ionescu I have an A10-7860K with 16GB 1866mhz RAM in dual channel running dual graphics with a Visiontek R7 250. I want to build another computer, because this rig won’t run Dead or Alive 6 or Tekken 7 only in Low Settings. I think I should get a console for my fighting games... but I love using an OEM Sega Saturn controller and the overall versatility of a PC compared to a console.
Excellent video Phil! Maybe you can test next time at 1280*1024 resolution, because that is the resolution most used by 17 and 19 inch monitors with classic - 5/4 - aspect ratio. Thank you.
I remember playing some racing game, colin mcrae 1 or 2 if I remember correctly, and everything was perfect but the car had absolutely no wheels to speak of. Think I had an AMD K6-2 300mhz at the time with 64mb ram and an ATI rage pro 8mb. Also played CS with it :D
So I don't use them long enough to really be able to notice anything. I've been told different things, some say modern SSD do garbage collection internally, so it shouldn't matter. IMO SSD are cheap enough, so just use it :D
@@philscomputerlab Thanks! Btw. I know you dont do a lot of new parts. But if you come to Taiwan with the other ozzies at Computex, I'll show you where the absolute treasure trove cove of vintage parts can be found. ;)
I have a A8 APU ITX build on my garage wall it allows me to use web browser and watch youtube / Netflix in 1080P resolution. These APU's definitely love the faster memory. 1333 was causing artifacts in video image, switching to 1833 fixed it :)
I had the a10-5700 for over 3 years with Win7 and beta Crimson Drivers, it worked perfectly. I didn't have any installation problems, even between formatting every 12 months or less. It now serves as an office Pc at my parents' house. It allowed me to play a lot of AAA games of the time on 720p-low, and some down to Lowspecgamer settings.
I'm Still using that exact cpu and still playing games on it. Do have 24gb Ram and SSD drive and 8gb graphics card. Still get good fps, but some games the cpu is maxing out. Now its time for upgrade...maybe Ryzen 9.
What is the maximum OC one can expect with this APU? How much more performance would you get over stock? I know Phil says he does not go into that area of things and so I thought I'd ask the community here.
ATI/AMD drivers use specific versions of InstallShield, which only work under XP-SP0, or XP-SP1 or XP-SP2. You can sort of directly install from the hidden drivers directory but it doesn't install the dependencies right. Also the drivers on the website were never well maintained after the 2005 ATI acquisition by AMD. The best drivers are the ones that came with the hardware on a CD. I'm very stubborn and have kept trying to figure out ATI vs XP-SP combinations.. but I understand when people give up. DirectX version 8, or 9.0c also matters quite a bit. I wish there were a place to share and trade driver information, but vogons is the only place I know about right now.
@@philscomputerlab Yeah.. I know exactly what your seeing. I couldn't believe it for a long time. Then I tried XP-SP0 and it went through smoothly. Its not just exclusive one-way, the updated installer won't work on XP-SP0 either.. so its maddening. You have to find the specific XP-SP0 installer and know it, or the specific XP-SP1 installer and know it. The CDROM labels kind of "hint" at it with their versions but not all the time. It drives you crazy. But once you know it for certain you can work around the problem. XP service packs changed the kernel, so XP-XP0 versus XP-SP2 are actually different operating systems, ATI was tightly partnered with Microsoft so they could take advantage of things Nvida and other graphics makers could not.. that appears to have had benefits and penalties when releasing drivers. They are very tightly tied with the specific version of XP installed, SP0, SP1, SP2 ect.. You can't assume the latest driver was supported with XP-SP2 because the driver may have ended updating before XP-SP2 was available, it could be a XP-SP0, or XP-SP1 driver. Also tightly bound to the kernel problems could creep in trying to update the next SP version after installing the driver. Microsoft used ATI hardware to prototype their operating system, so ATI is fastest and best.. but it had problems this many years later when we want lots of flexibility between major service pack releases that were many years apart. I use an imaging tool like Macrium reflect to install XP-SP0, or XP-SP1, SP2 and test the driver and label it as for use with that version only. But that might add a Lot of overhead for you.
Noticed this APU supports hybrid crossfire with the HD7570 that you featured in the low profile windows XP GPU video. Might be worth a benchmark to see how close to the claimed 80% extra performance it gets. I just picked one up on eBay to have a go with my 7570!
Phil! I had a similar problem with older AMD drivers installation back in the day. I don't know if that's exactly your case, but it worked fine for me by installing Microsoft's Visual C x86 and x64 packages before the AMD drivers. Not sure if 2010, 2012 or 2013, but some of those versions would fix it for me
I always install these resources because they are necessary to run a lot of games and emulators. I never had a problem with installing AMD drivers for my A6. Perhaps this is why.
the introduction area in oblivion is much easier to run than the rest of the game. I remember playing oblivion on a AMD sempron 2000+, 1GB ram and a Geforce 3 TI200. The introduction part was just fine and when I came into the world it just lagged to hell.
I swapped out an a10-5700(uh) fm2 for a ryzen 1700(uh) andwhat a neat FREENAS (or what, now truenas?) server! hdmi into a tv input for when things go wrong, quiet in the corner, turn on/off when I wants to by the front panel and lots of sata ports! make old RETRO AGAIN!
Wait a second, I actually had this with my first PC, which I bought pre-made. It wasn't the best but it was good for the kind of games I enjoyed at the time. Ahh good memories, thanks for reminding me!
Hey there Phil, have you ever tried running this APU in dual graphics mode with a dedicated GPU? I forget which exact GPU would work with your A10 but I did an A8-5500 with an HD7570. Thank you for another great video
@@philscomputerlab agreed, I didn't see much for performance increase in Windows 10. But it was easy to mess with and cheap to get the hardware haha. Thanks for the reply
My old netbook(Lenovo s206, E1[6390]+6550 or something, don't remember exactly) could run Crysis on 720pLow on dedicated pretty smooth but was feeding me with stutters constantly on CFX mode. Once again, bundle from Lenovo with Win8 and drivers and even Office trial! Guess Phil's right, it won't work out at all.
I did it for about a year, and it gave a small boost in performance but not a lot as you have to use something like an MSI Radeon R7 250 2GD3 OC Graphics Card - 2 GB DDR3 - 128-bit - 1050 MHz setup with the DDR3 RAM being a bottle neck, and you will need GOOD cooling on the APU, as your average temps running something like SONIC All Stars Racing Transformed for example will be around 50c - 70c on a 1080p 60hz monitor. You are better off running the APU as a CPU, and dropping in something like an AMD R7 560 4GB GPU, and running a good Linux distro like Manjaro MATE so there is a bit less overhead compared to Windows 10.
Good to see a video from you again...missed you and your every Friday video. Props for giving a shout out to the folks affected by the virus. i didnt know you had another job..have you thought about doing you tube full time?..i used this platform to run a HTPC...it struggled to do that so I replaced it with the Ryzen 5 2400G..you hit it on the head when you mentioned this could be used as a server..good idea
If nothing else, this platform is really rather excellent for home server use. I have a Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H with an AMD A6-7600K, nearly silent, and with 8 SATA ports it was a bargain.
Really interesting benchmark. Moreover, as an A10-5800K owner, we didn't talk about overclocking the chip to get more performances (Ocing the GPU, requires a DVI connector, search for Christian Ney guide), and its undervolting. You can easily undervolt it at 1.10 V and still don't have problems.
As a kid I played through the entirety of fallout 3 at between 5-15fps on my motherboard's shitty integrated graphics chip. I still have no idea how I did it.
Hi Phil. Any thoughts about how this APU perform against the older A8-3870K? I have this second one, is an awesome APU, I can play a lot of old games on it but is lacks two capabilities: 4K videos are unplayable, and I can't achieve 60fps at 1080p while emulating Nintendo Wii games on Dolphin. Anyways, thanks for this content!
I have almost the same components without dual channel ram. My processor is a (A10 7860K) which video card could I use to increase the economic performance?
1:22 plot twist: it's not a still shot. I can't say with this case, but I've had luck with letting Snappy Driver Install doing whatever it wants in terms of choosing a video driver. Re: NAS usage, it would be interesting to see how undervolting affects power consumption.
nice build for a non-gaming daily driver rig. I actually have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ as a non gaming daily driver, with 4GB OCZ ddr2 800MHz ram. Running Linux Mint 19.3. works quite well. Hoping to change up to another APU build in the near future..maybe a Ryzen 2400g or similar. Or might even consider the A10 APU. Since I am still budget conscious builder.
I own a ITX AMD FM2 System. The CPU is an Athlon X4 750k 4,3GHz on an ASRock FM2A85X-ITX, 2x4GB DDR3 2400, and a GTX 750Ti. It holds up ok if you remember the cheap price of the CPU (60€ in 2013).
Literally my son's old APU. I upgraded my rig and gave him my 7700k. He was able to game just fine on the A10 once I found someone selling a GTX 960 for dirt cheap. He mostly plays Fortnite and it did fine once it finally loaded in, but when joining a match he would join right as the battle bus launched. Without the GPU he couldn't play much of anything at playable frame rates. He's quite happy I upgraded and he got my old board & ram though
Currently running an A4-6300B APU and happily running WoW and a few other games - not into Fortnite or Apex Legends - looking to upgrade to A10-6800K APU - they are "Richland" 2013 APUs. YT is running silky smooth at 720p/1080p right now watching this video.
Managed to use 2020's Corona Supplement here in Australia to get a Ryzen 5 3600 desktop built before the prices went sky high late in the year since the above comment!! :) Still revisit your content for older hardware I have. Awesome YT channel!! :)
It's a quad-core if you calculate Integer and a dual-core with HT when it process floating point. Also some cache is Hyper Threaded, some cache is in common, this architecture from 2011 is a kinda mess, but it does the job fine.
Like this idea to have dual system setup. But really want to see Vista and XP, like Doom3 and FarCry for XP, and Crysys, Stalker, FarCry2 for Vista on such systems. Also like your idea to use it with modern OS, like multimedia system and to play GOG games. Very good that you share your experience with us. See you soon in another video)
"less than 20 FPS - a slideshow" - this is how I played most of the games between 1997 - 2001 and really didn't care about the framerate, I was just enjoying the game, the storyline :-)
I'm better in that. I finished the NFS Pro Street on Athlon XP, 1GB, Radeon 9550 128MB, with slideshow of maybe 10-15FPS xD
Depends on a genre too, and on what you are looking for in a game, but yeah, low FPS is not an automatic deal breaker.
i finished assassin creed 3 with Single core Sempron 140 and 1gb of ram10-15 fps
@@D3PeXoR oh yeah? well I played at 3-4fps. My lag is bigger than yours.
to be fair, most people were having that experience with consoles as well until the most current generation started; the 360/PS3 gen was especially notorious for really bad performance.
Still rocking an AMD A10-6800k @4.8ghz. Originally bought a Radeon 6670 to do hybrid crossfire and didn't last long. Rocking an Asus Nvidia 960 and it's alright til this day. Will upgrade to a whole new system in a year or so but for now it works for any game I like.
That extremely fast ddr3 ram is literally helping out this old beast
Talk about a completely redundant misuse of the word "literally".
@@selohcin stop please, not all of us speak london
@@viky1354 😊thanks man (English is the first language I learned but since I'm Indian having to learn my mother tongue at home and the national language at the same time pretty much butchered my English) but ya I'm pretty average
@@viky1354 ikr smh people like selohcin the type of dudes that needs everything perfect in life.
I wouldn't say is a beast, I had one of those but with an FM2A75 motherboard (the A85 chipset used in this video came later).
I bought it because I didn't have money for a dedicated GPU at that time, and AMD processors cost way less than Intel ones.
It served me well, I got a dedicated GPU almost a year later.
I still have it in a closet, I put it in a new case last year because my wife needed a PC to work at home. It didn't perform as good as I remember for regular office work, I think Windows 10 now needs more cores to run smoothly nowadays.
My wife has a new PC now so it is back into the closet.
I've had one of these running in the PC I built for my parents since it was new. Great chip.
a net cafe i built for a client just when this thing released was a succes, since this could run the Most played games at the time (league of legends and cs go) the net cafe saved a considerable amount of money, later down the path, we just added nvidias 750ti and its still rolling making huge profits with a small intial inversion. we're going to refurb the pcs with R5 3400Gs down this year, APUs are amazing budget chips AMAZING!
Thanks for this video! I'm running an AMD A8-5600K on Win10 as my daily driver!!! I'm not playing games, but I have not found it to be needy in any way. AMD Rocks it, baby!!!
Enjoyed your explanation of installing problem drivers for this APU. Quiet an enjoyable video.
This processor released a year after my A6 3500 (on FM1). Good to see this old tech being discussed.
There's no friday without PCL friday video! I really like these older APU and part videos, so much content of new parts already so nice to see how older stuff still works :D
when it performs better than intel's iGPUs
Amds apus have always been better than Intel HD graphics 😂
It's their single core performance which was bad. But Ryzen closed the gap(difference is now less than 5%) and kicking Intel's ass in multicore performance.
The newer APUs are even better. Check out 3400g videos and they can handle most games in 720p and even 1080p on acceptable settings if you pair them with a good speed set of DDR4 RAM.
I bought a laptop with AMD Bulldozer, they fucking owe me for that garbage
It is amd
I love that you tested XP as well, thanks for that - keep up the good work
I used this APU for YEARS. Once I paired it with a GTX750TI I was able to play almost any game from Steam besides the triple A titles. But all the survival games like Ark, Minecraft, Raft, etc ran fine on medium to high settings.
I upgraded a few years ago and now I am considering using this old processor to build a dedicated game server.
Nice it still retains some sort of low end gaming. I built this pc in 2013 for customer and they wanted to sell it now. upgraded extra 4gb ram, added 120 gb ssd with new rgb keyboard mouse combo . Its up for sale now.
i have a fx-8350 black edition from 2012 and it still perfomes brilliant with ddr3 4000mhz ram and a rtx 2060 gaming i love it
you have ddr3 4000mhz ram?
Great one man. I really liked the driver troubleshooting. I'd love to see a recap of your most challenging build with more of it
Yay, new PCL video! And this little APU looks like a pretty good fit for a cool and quiet WinXP gaming machine. You can probably find better alternatives, though, depending on where you're from. Still impressed with how this APU did, though.
Hey Phil love your videos since long time. Testing and explaining retro hardware...its for me always a pleasure when you go into detail. Please never stop! :)
oh and for future i would like to see you test and build more high end retro systems and time correctly builds. Especially mainboards...
I've just had some real issues with retro motherboards! All in all a total of 3 boards from Asus with nForce not working. Asrock with ULI chipset? Worked straight away :D
I've been running a 7870k in my HTPC for over 4 years and it has worked perfectly.
That's my APU I hope to replace my machine by the summer
Same, if prices don't go sky high considering all the crazy stuff happening right now.
If you already have a running machine with a pcie slot you might be better off buying a gtx 750 or whatever is in your budget
Well it's an all in one I can't do that
I want to build from scratch with Rx 580 and ryzen 2600
@@kivelocity932 Just like myself keep saved searches on eBay, and I guess when the parts pop up at the price you are willing to pay, snatch it up, just like I did this morning with an external 4TB HDD for backing up my data.
I was the AMD A10-5800K APU to build my HTPC in 2013 it gets the job done still. I still have a A8-56600K new in the box.
Was wondering if you were going to upload today, and here we are. Great video, Phil. Keep it up! Cheers, mate.
LORDS BE PRAISED!! IT'S PHIL AND HE'S BACK!
Yea it's been busy for me lately. I will be doing a video every second week for a while, it just got too hectic and I want to enjoy working on these projects and not have it feel like a second job :D
@@philscomputerlab Take your time. We're not going anywhere.
@@philscomputerlab Yeah stay safe Phil and btw mentioning the C virus apparently can limit monetization (I'm no expert but that's what I'm seeing) so yeah :)
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@@ChrisNova777 your a jackass
I still have this little APU in my main machine, and the same Mobo, but you will want a video card for sure. I found it runs much better on Manjaro Linux with MATE DE, and at least 16GB of 1866Mhz DDR3 OC to 2133Mhz. I personal have this paired with an AMD RX 560 4GB GPU.
Missed you last week Phil, mucked up my Friday routine
Yea I've been struggling doing a weekly video lately :( I will do every second week for the time being and see how I cope!
@@philscomputerlab
Hey Phil, is there any option to disable cores for xp on the 5800k?
And I'm seeing.you temps, they are wild low compared to mine, I'm at 58c idle. It's a mini itx with Silverstone kr01, that seem right?
would probably make a phenomenal Linux system with how good the AMD drivers are these days
As always very nice video, i love to get some snacks, coffee and just enjoy calm narrative about old/older hardware ^^
Thank you, this means a lot! I might soon have a bit of time on my hands and ramp up video production as every country is shutting down.
Its actually not bad for what it is.
Could you do a video explaining what directX levels are and/or what they do?
It took years to me to understand why some games froze / crashed or simply stated that I dont have DX11 support (even tho my gpu had) until I found out what they where and why, it was cuz my laptop gpu didnt had the DX11 level needed to run 'em.
Lovely spring saturday morning, Hot coffee and Phils new video. Life is good! :)
Interesting platform for a HTPC & XP gaming rig.
I am using a R3 2200G right now as HTPC (2x8GB 3333MHz cl.16 Samsung mem and it kicks arse in GPU performance), but I would really like a MB with a PCI slot - for my High Fidelity (studio-grade) Soundcard. I see that this MB has one PCI. But of course the A10 APU is a lot slower all around. So a compromise to think about. But have not yet been gaming on my HTPC (Though is the PC we use the most in the house) ;)
Love your videos. I always learn something interesting about older hardware. Helps me fill hardware knowledge gap between Pentium 4 form 2004 and Ryzen 3 1200 I bought in 2017. Back to APU I wonder how it will do with GPU like 1050Ti/RX560
Another fantastic video Phil. Highlight of my week is Friday!!
Please do a A10-5800k vs Ryzen 3200g head to head comparison video.
You should OC the NB, for RAM @ 2133 you need to get the NB to at least 2200 or 2400 Mhz. Just by increase the NB clock you can increase your memory read, write, copy performance by up to 1GB/s for every 200 MHz increment in the NB alone. The Piledriver FX also act very similarly, fast RAM and fast NB can net you good chunk of FPS increase and response time.
It would be great if you could add something like "Games in the video: Apex Legends, Dirt 3, etc." in the description, just in case you forgot to mention one or if the name is not on the video. Just an idea. Great video Phil, as always! Thank you!
My 5800k was a beast and ran for 12 years still awesome on windows 7. Just built a new system with the 5600g because the the old hardware didn't run very well with windows 10. Wish we could still use windows 7 but the apps stopped working had no choice but to upgrade. Lets see how long the 5600g will last!
Welcome back Phil. You have been missed. I know how life gets, so no worries. We will always be back here to support you👍
Hey Phil!, big fan of your videos, especially the ones on retro hardware, you influenced me to build several unique retrobuilds (Four, three using 3DFx and one, a Matrox G400 MAX with a voodoo2 24MB SLI config) Im one of the "older" crowd you mentioned in the last video you posted, I have a 5th build in the works using a Voodoo1 and Pentium Overdrive 83 on a rare 486/PCI motherboard you might be interested in. Anyway though im rambling if you ever come across one or wana borrow mine, I for one would be interested in seeing a video on one.
Nice Phil! I'm using my Dad's Lenovo desktop PC which has an A10-6700 APU. We got it 6 years ago, and it runs really well, although I don't know if I should try to game on it.
My partner's computer she bought in 2012 when we first started dating was an AMD A10 APU in a tiny slim Acer and it was alright. Only got rid of it because as time went on it would run hotter and hotter (yes I changed out the thermal paste, know what I'm doing, etc.). Windows 10 was just demanding too much of it maybe. It was sold with Windows 8 and got the free upgrade I believe.
We both played a lot of Diablo III on our computers and it handled it just fine.
Mine idled at 60C, 97C while gaming and I've seen it go up to 109C.
Didn't believe my eyes back then.
@@alwinmt I think the readings are wrong, Because the max temp is supposedly 75°(amd says that) so it have no sense! The cpu should shut down it self, or become unstable but no... I am right now using it again and yes, HMonitor read about 100° while playing Fallout 3, a lot of heat but, is it true??? Can't tell for sure..
@@rodrigoacosta9708 The max temp is not 75.
I've seen laptop CPUs do 85+ quite often.
Some bad setups even go over 90.
This thing was a lifesaver since my parents wouldn't allow me to buy a graphics card.
Damn that 3DMark2001! It was a piece of my childhood! :O :)
Dang. not first... Welcome to Philday Everybody!
Love the Gigabyte AMD motherboards.
It's a great platform for file servers.. I use the dual core A4 3400 and the combination of low power consumption and lots of pci-e lanes is awesome
yea... using the 10-5700 for a nextcloud server. 3 magnetic HDDs, no other hardware connected, 2x8GB RAM, works perferctly, 34 Watts idle. And when some workload is needed, like Talk video conference with 3-4 people, no problems at all
I used to have a machine with the A10-5700 which is essentially a lower clocked and locked version of this APU. I never had these issues you are having here but I was using Windows 7 at the time.
Always fascinated by APUs. Great video!
I find it amazing how fast XP can be still to this day. If your gaming rig is closed off from the internet I see no reason to ditch XP for old hardware.
A friend of mine still has this CPU paired with a GTX 1060. It still runs every game he wants to play.
I love my a-10 apu. I've upgraded a few times, but I just can't seem to part with it. It's currently set up as a twitch streaming box.
Hi Phil!! Good video, I had (I still have it indeed, but its not in use right now!) one of them, back in 2013. I bought it recommended by someone who promised me that with it I wouldn´t need a video card. Ok that was not true, by any means so 6 months later I ended up adding a gtx 660, so I really missed a big part of it, you know, the integrated graphics. Back then, I heard lot of people hating it for not being more powerful than an i3 in single core task and stuff, but my experience with this proccesor was really good, it never threw my 660 back and bottleneck, if there was some, was not really noticeable. So when retirement time came in 2017 (I was about to go intel but ryzen fell from the sky and I couldn´t resist, stilll goin strong with AMD in the third gen now, with a r5 3600. Not a fanboy) the a10 5800k left a good taste in my mouth, it was a good chip that fullfilled it purpouse very good. So its still in a box with other things, waiting to be awaken again for some proyect like a retro machine in the future or why not, as a secondary pc if needed!!
I had this motherboard and cpu combo with gt 730 it was not bad after this i upgrade to i3 3210 and it was a lot better . thank you very much for your videos i really enjoy them
Interesting, guess I would choose an AMD APU if I wanted to build a Windows XP retro gaming PC.
I used one of these for years. 5800K was not its model number, but the temperature it tried to hit in degrees Kelvin. By the time AM4 boards came out, I was underclocking and undervolting it while using a Corsair H60 water cooler, just to avoid thermal throttling playing old, old games.
Do you ha e Quake4 in your benchmarking kit. I believe that uses the same engine as Doom3 but is more demanding also a good test. Got bores.playing Oblivion?! Awesome game but you a huge commitment as well.
I have this apu, The catalyst drivers installed just fine for me :)
One great thing about the A series was that they had the dual graphics feature, but never needing to buy 2 cards.
A video after my own heart. The FM2+ APUs with R7 graphics, like 7850k or 7870k, might also be worth a look at.
Alex Ionescu I have an A10-7860K with 16GB 1866mhz RAM in dual channel running dual graphics with a Visiontek R7 250. I want to build another computer, because this rig won’t run Dead or Alive 6 or Tekken 7 only in Low Settings. I think I should get a console for my fighting games... but I love using an OEM Sega Saturn controller and the overall versatility of a PC compared to a console.
Seeing Windows XP and the old Realtek GUI was a blast from the past. Thanks Phil. AMD FTW! Keep on, keeping on! 💯😁👍
My favorite channel by far! Great work!
Excellent video Phil! Maybe you can test next time at 1280*1024 resolution, because that is the resolution most used by 17 and 19 inch monitors with classic - 5/4 - aspect ratio. Thank you.
I remember playing some racing game, colin mcrae 1 or 2 if I remember correctly, and everything was perfect but the car had absolutely no wheels to speak of. Think I had an AMD K6-2 300mhz at the time with 64mb ram and an ATI rage pro 8mb. Also played CS with it :D
Hey Phil, do you find the lack of TRIM support on Windows XP a detriment when running on an SSD?
So I don't use them long enough to really be able to notice anything. I've been told different things, some say modern SSD do garbage collection internally, so it shouldn't matter. IMO SSD are cheap enough, so just use it :D
@@philscomputerlab Thanks!
Btw. I know you dont do a lot of new parts. But if you come to Taiwan with the other ozzies at Computex, I'll show you where the absolute treasure trove cove of vintage parts can be found. ;)
@@MarcoGPUtuber Can't travel with the virus out there!! although I understand Taiwan's one of the safest worldwide
@@Airbag888 We're betting that this will blow over by June or September.
@@MarcoGPUtuber if he goes we might not be able to see him again until summer
I have a A8 APU ITX build on my garage wall it allows me to use web browser and watch youtube / Netflix in 1080P resolution. These APU's definitely love the faster memory. 1333 was causing artifacts in video image, switching to 1833 fixed it :)
I had the a10-5700 for over 3 years with Win7 and beta Crimson Drivers, it worked perfectly. I didn't have any installation problems, even between formatting every 12 months or less. It now serves as an office Pc at my parents' house. It allowed me to play a lot of AAA games of the time on 720p-low, and some down to Lowspecgamer settings.
I'm Still using that exact cpu and still playing games on it. Do have 24gb Ram and SSD drive and 8gb graphics card. Still get good fps, but some games the cpu is maxing out. Now its time for upgrade...maybe Ryzen 9.
Testing the Windows XP games at just 1024x768 ruined the otherwise good video for me. Why did you choose at resolution that low exclusively?
What is the maximum OC one can expect with this APU? How much more performance would you get over stock? I know Phil says he does not go into that area of things and so I thought I'd ask the community here.
temp impressed me
ATI/AMD drivers use specific versions of InstallShield, which only work under XP-SP0, or XP-SP1 or XP-SP2. You can sort of directly install from the hidden drivers directory but it doesn't install the dependencies right. Also the drivers on the website were never well maintained after the 2005 ATI acquisition by AMD. The best drivers are the ones that came with the hardware on a CD. I'm very stubborn and have kept trying to figure out ATI vs XP-SP combinations.. but I understand when people give up. DirectX version 8, or 9.0c also matters quite a bit. I wish there were a place to share and trade driver information, but vogons is the only place I know about right now.
It's funny though, the driver does install all the other components, just not the display driver. It does install CCC though.
@@philscomputerlab Yeah.. I know exactly what your seeing. I couldn't believe it for a long time. Then I tried XP-SP0 and it went through smoothly. Its not just exclusive one-way, the updated installer won't work on XP-SP0 either.. so its maddening. You have to find the specific XP-SP0 installer and know it, or the specific XP-SP1 installer and know it. The CDROM labels kind of "hint" at it with their versions but not all the time. It drives you crazy. But once you know it for certain you can work around the problem. XP service packs changed the kernel, so XP-XP0 versus XP-SP2 are actually different operating systems, ATI was tightly partnered with Microsoft so they could take advantage of things Nvida and other graphics makers could not.. that appears to have had benefits and penalties when releasing drivers. They are very tightly tied with the specific version of XP installed, SP0, SP1, SP2 ect.. You can't assume the latest driver was supported with XP-SP2 because the driver may have ended updating before XP-SP2 was available, it could be a XP-SP0, or XP-SP1 driver. Also tightly bound to the kernel problems could creep in trying to update the next SP version after installing the driver. Microsoft used ATI hardware to prototype their operating system, so ATI is fastest and best.. but it had problems this many years later when we want lots of flexibility between major service pack releases that were many years apart. I use an imaging tool like Macrium reflect to install XP-SP0, or XP-SP1, SP2 and test the driver and label it as for use with that version only. But that might add a Lot of overhead for you.
Noticed this APU supports hybrid crossfire with the HD7570 that you featured in the low profile windows XP GPU video. Might be worth a benchmark to see how close to the claimed 80% extra performance it gets. I just picked one up on eBay to have a go with my 7570!
the crossfire was just an excuse toake you buy a ati card
Hey Phil can I ask what hardware you're using to record the video from your machines? Thanks in advance!
i love the suttle unlocked intel k chip joke ;)
Phil! I had a similar problem with older AMD drivers installation back in the day. I don't know if that's exactly your case, but it worked fine for me by installing Microsoft's Visual C x86 and x64 packages before the AMD drivers. Not sure if 2010, 2012 or 2013, but some of those versions would fix it for me
Thanks, something to try the next time :)
I always install these resources because they are necessary to run a lot of games and emulators. I never had a problem with installing AMD drivers for my A6. Perhaps this is why.
My first pc was a piece of crap with a pentium D. My second had an A10-5700 and I loved how I could PLAY THINGS
the introduction area in oblivion is much easier to run than the rest of the game. I remember playing oblivion on a AMD sempron 2000+, 1GB ram and a Geforce 3 TI200. The introduction part was just fine and when I came into the world it just lagged to hell.
Great video. Have you any opinion or tried running a linux distro for a machine like this? For basic internet and video playback. Not games for sure.
Can modern games be playable if you put external GPUs?
Thank's for letting us forget the virus madness for a while!
I swapped out an a10-5700(uh) fm2 for a ryzen 1700(uh) andwhat a neat FREENAS (or what, now truenas?) server! hdmi into a tv input for when things go wrong, quiet in the corner, turn on/off when I wants to by the front panel and lots of sata ports! make old RETRO AGAIN!
Wait a second, I actually had this with my first PC, which I bought pre-made. It wasn't the best but it was good for the kind of games I enjoyed at the time. Ahh good memories, thanks for reminding me!
Hey there Phil, have you ever tried running this APU in dual graphics mode with a dedicated GPU? I forget which exact GPU would work with your A10 but I did an A8-5500 with an HD7570. Thank you for another great video
I have not! I really don't think it's worth it to be honest. My CrossFire experiences have never been that good.
@@philscomputerlab agreed, I didn't see much for performance increase in Windows 10. But it was easy to mess with and cheap to get the hardware haha. Thanks for the reply
My old netbook(Lenovo s206, E1[6390]+6550 or something, don't remember exactly) could run Crysis on 720pLow on dedicated pretty smooth but was feeding me with stutters constantly on CFX mode. Once again, bundle from Lenovo with Win8 and drivers and even Office trial! Guess Phil's right, it won't work out at all.
I did it for about a year, and it gave a small boost in performance but not a lot as you have to use something like an MSI Radeon R7 250 2GD3 OC Graphics Card - 2 GB DDR3 - 128-bit - 1050 MHz setup with the DDR3 RAM being a bottle neck, and you will need GOOD cooling on the APU, as your average temps running something like SONIC All Stars Racing Transformed for example will be around 50c - 70c on a 1080p 60hz monitor. You are better off running the APU as a CPU, and dropping in something like an AMD R7 560 4GB GPU, and running a good Linux distro like Manjaro MATE so there is a bit less overhead compared to Windows 10.
Good to see a video from you again...missed you and your every Friday video. Props for giving a shout out to the folks affected by the virus. i didnt know you had another job..have you thought about doing you tube full time?..i used this platform to run a HTPC...it struggled to do that so I replaced it with the Ryzen 5 2400G..you hit it on the head when you mentioned this could be used as a server..good idea
Yea I'm finding it very difficult at the moment doing a video every week. So for now I'm doing one every second week, will see how I cope!
Phil! Can you please try out the A10-6800k?
If nothing else, this platform is really rather excellent for home server use. I have a Gigabyte GA-F2A88XM-D3H with an AMD A6-7600K, nearly silent, and with 8 SATA ports it was a bargain.
Did you somehow get your hands on my chip *and* RAM from 2013??
Really interesting benchmark. Moreover, as an A10-5800K owner, we didn't talk about overclocking the chip to get more performances (Ocing the GPU, requires a DVI connector, search for Christian Ney guide), and its undervolting. You can easily undervolt it at 1.10 V and still don't have problems.
Still using this APU until now. April 2020. :D Thinking for a RAM Upgrade to 16GB 1866 RAMS. Im using 1333Mhz value RAM.
As a kid I played through the entirety of fallout 3 at between 5-15fps on my motherboard's shitty integrated graphics chip. I still have no idea how I did it.
Hi Phil. Any thoughts about how this APU perform against the older A8-3870K? I have this second one, is an awesome APU, I can play a lot of old games on it but is lacks two capabilities: 4K videos are unplayable, and I can't achieve 60fps at 1080p while emulating Nintendo Wii games on Dolphin. Anyways, thanks for this content!
i have the a8 3870 and is only one notch below the a10, the piledriver wasnt much of a jump thats why zen came out
I have almost the same components without dual channel ram.
My processor is a (A10 7860K) which video card could I use to increase the economic performance?
1:22 plot twist: it's not a still shot.
I can't say with this case, but I've had luck with letting Snappy Driver Install doing whatever it wants in terms of choosing a video driver. Re: NAS usage, it would be interesting to see how undervolting affects power consumption.
Pretty good for older games.
nice build for a non-gaming daily driver rig. I actually have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ as a non gaming daily driver, with 4GB OCZ ddr2 800MHz ram. Running Linux Mint 19.3. works quite well. Hoping to change up to another APU build in the near future..maybe a Ryzen 2400g or similar. Or might even consider the A10 APU. Since I am still budget conscious builder.
This seems like the clear choice for a Open Media Vault NAS device.
I own a ITX AMD FM2 System. The CPU is an Athlon X4 750k 4,3GHz on an ASRock FM2A85X-ITX, 2x4GB DDR3 2400, and a GTX 750Ti. It holds up ok if you remember the cheap price of the CPU (60€ in 2013).
Literally my son's old APU. I upgraded my rig and gave him my 7700k. He was able to game just fine on the A10 once I found someone selling a GTX 960 for dirt cheap. He mostly plays Fortnite and it did fine once it finally loaded in, but when joining a match he would join right as the battle bus launched. Without the GPU he couldn't play much of anything at playable frame rates. He's quite happy I upgraded and he got my old board & ram though
Currently running an A4-6300B APU and happily running WoW and a few other games - not into Fortnite or Apex Legends - looking to upgrade to A10-6800K APU - they are "Richland" 2013 APUs. YT is running silky smooth at 720p/1080p right now watching this video.
Managed to use 2020's Corona Supplement here in Australia to get a Ryzen 5 3600 desktop built before the prices went sky high late in the year since the above comment!! :) Still revisit your content for older hardware I have. Awesome YT channel!! :)
It's a quad-core if you calculate Integer and a dual-core with HT when it process floating point. Also some cache is Hyper Threaded, some cache is in common, this architecture from 2011 is a kinda mess, but it does the job fine.
I built this desktop in 2013 with this main and apu, still rocking it today! lol. I've only upgraded from a hard disk to a SSD.
Do you have any x99 content planned? I really enjoyed your coverage of the x79 cpus and motherboards
I did buy some parts, but Brian from TechYesCity already covered X99 quite well :)
Like this idea to have dual system setup. But really want to see Vista and XP, like Doom3 and FarCry for XP, and Crysys, Stalker, FarCry2 for Vista on such systems. Also like your idea to use it with modern OS, like multimedia system and to play GOG games. Very good that you share your experience with us. See you soon in another video)