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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • Case 260: The Alpine Manor Murders
    ** Content warning: Elder abuse **
    The Director of Nursing at the Alpine Manor Nursing Home in Grand Rapids, Michigan, was thrilled when Catherine Wood and Gwen Graham joined their team of nursing aides in the mid-1980s. They were hard-working, enthusiastic and well-liked.
    But soon after they started, some residents of Alpine Manor began telling the staff that their lives were in peril. When those same residents began to pass away, their deaths were put down to natural causes. Was it old age that killed these residents? Or was there a more sinister explanation?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 157

  • @MissVanHelsing
    @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому +131

    If any nurses or carers for the elderly and sick who genuinely care about their patients are reading this, thank you for what you do.❤ You're a gift and your hard work and care means the world to the family and friends of your patients. My dad died months after a stroke when I was 19, and leading up to his death he required a lot of care from a nursing home. It really hurt my heart when certain staff members left him unclean or in pain. The helpful staff were a God send and I appreciated them with all my heart.

    • @MaryanneGiattas-cx6lc
      @MaryanneGiattas-cx6lc 11 місяців тому +2

      Too sad. To hear that this is happening rite up to this very day even after blowing the whistle systemically on quite a few of those abusive to all the specialised aged care patients who were now showing extreme fear& anxiety around those who made life harder & harder which has now levelled all those personally & openly dropping herself down the outside walls of the 20 storey building,! Marguerite died in the😢 ñext horrific a& planned death current in their latest debauched over 100death bed death confession.Probably healing & to be free of the Guilty Conscience!
      I'm in today fear of all nurses making the specialists care units no longer assessable to the extremely needed aged care units by thousands of ñecessary clients for their sum of their many comfortable home away from home! specialist corner😢 specialists aged care specifically for the aged care patients! This horrible humiliating life & existence exteneded to all okpatientsof the day! "😮😮threes some patient I'm looking forward to some of the high Jinxed going on in the Hollywood Private Hospital!

    • @Menstral
      @Menstral 11 місяців тому +3

      If these people actually mattered they would be with their families, instead of being warehoused

    • @MissVanHelsing
      @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому +24

      @dgba7aa I was waiting for someone like you who has no idea what they're talking about to comment. Not everyone has the money or facilities to set up a palliative care ward in their own home for a dying adult who needs 24 hour medical support, who can't move, breathe, bathe or eat without the help of at least two other people due to their vegetative state. I do not care about explaining any further why you're wrong.

    • @Funnylittleman
      @Funnylittleman 11 місяців тому +9

      I work at a nursing home and I love it. Mostly lol. The residents are wonderful and interacting with them is the best part of the day. It’s just funny how little has changed since the 80’s. The suck-asses who work lots of overtime are often neglectful and abusive but management praises them because they are warm bodies to have on the floor.
      I just try to do my very best every day despite the sometimes bad circumstances because it’s really all I can do.

    • @MissVanHelsing
      @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому

      @@Funnylittleman good on you ❤️😊

  • @Jeremy-jx4kq
    @Jeremy-jx4kq 11 місяців тому +61

    This is such an unsatisfying case! So many people went unpunished. Kathy seems to certainly have been way more involved, if not the mastermind….then how about the lazy doctor who misdiagnosed the causes of death…and the mangers and executives who ignored complaints. there was a major culture issue in that place even before Kathy started, then she acclimated and seemed to escalate everything.

    • @katelynbrown98
      @katelynbrown98 11 місяців тому +5

      I know!!! 😔🤯😡😡 I can only hope that tye other people onvolved got their cummuponeace in one way or another.

  • @lawbeecher4380
    @lawbeecher4380 11 місяців тому +22

    The depravity of these people is incomprehensible. Absolutely appalling.

  • @TheBaronessIsAwesome
    @TheBaronessIsAwesome 11 місяців тому +89

    Listened to this last night. Absolutely infuriating how management let these people down. If that were my mother or father, they'd better run and hide. I would camp outside management's house with signs for all eternity.

    • @tinaryan4023
      @tinaryan4023 11 місяців тому +7

      Same management negligence in Lucy Letby case.

    • @marzash
      @marzash 11 місяців тому +6

      If this ever happened to one of my family members or someone I loved, I don't think I could rest without getting some kind of revenge.. it's insane how many people just let this go on!

  • @carolynslist6118
    @carolynslist6118 11 місяців тому +24

    Criminally underrated channel! I can literally lose myself in these stories. No one does it better

  • @lareinabrown
    @lareinabrown 11 місяців тому +36

    I think there’s something especially sad about how they already had such little time left in the grand scheme of things and how that was just taken away from them. Also how everything they’ve survived before that, it’s almost like it’s for nothing. So disappointing to hear how the general consensus was “oh well they were about to die anyways” and not for so many people to not look at them like they were actual people. It’s just so sad

    • @marzash
      @marzash 11 місяців тому +9

      It's sickening. Those were people's moms, dads, grandpas, grandmas, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers, husbands, wives, etc...they lived so much life before all of this, and to go out like THAT?!?!? The lack of empathy is unbelievable.

    • @lareinabrown
      @lareinabrown 11 місяців тому +2

      @@marzash agreed

  • @rabby77777
    @rabby77777 11 місяців тому +25

    Wow this has disturbed me so much . I cant stop thinking of these poor innocent people .

  • @lynnedean713
    @lynnedean713 11 місяців тому +38

    Absolutely shocking story. As I am 74, and always on the lookout for dementia symptoms, my fear is ending up in a place like this. I know staff turnover is very high in most establishments, with basic pay when in fact you need to pay more to get obtain better quality staff with qualifications - hopefully. I once looked after my friend's mother, who had dementia, so she could have a break and a holiday with her family. I am known as a very patient person, the patience of Job in fact, but even I became very stressed. Two things. She was always asking me what could I do for her, literally that is all she would say every couple of minutes, but it was nights that were the worst. I slept in a bedroom next to hers and virtually every hour she would shout out for me to take her to the bathroom. After about the 4th time, it dawned on me, since she passed nothing, that it was her memory, or lack of, that made her forget that she had actually spent a penny on the first call out. However, I could not ignore her (as that would be cruel) because she really thought she needed the toilet and I would feel awful if she wet the bed.
    I could not do this job. Only angels could do this. My friend was away for a week and I was at breaking point. I am useless without sleep and all I had were naps throughout the nights. How she managed with a husband, 4 kids and a part time teacher I have no idea. Maybe if its your own kin you have built in 150% patience and the most important ingredient - love. Also, curious how a woman weighing 450lbs, was able to cope/work? In England that would be just over 32 stone! I see tv shows on people that size and they can barely stand for more than a couple of minutes. Total respect to those who do this job and love it. Thank you for this upload, really opened my eyes.

    • @vashon100
      @vashon100 11 місяців тому +1

      You're on the lookout for symptoms, but what would you do anyway?

    • @lynnedean713
      @lynnedean713 11 місяців тому +8

      @@vashon100 Hi. You raised a very valid point. Medically, there is nothing I can do. But if I was aware that I was doing odd things and perhaps realising it is the onset of dementia, then it would give me time to put my affairs in order. I am very involved in genealogy with 3 huge trees involving hundreds, thousands of ancestors so I would like time to finish that. I would like to leave letters for my children, the ones I always mean to write but think I have time. My occupation was a para-legal and I had a good brain and brilliant memory. When I was about 51 I noticed a change in me, my concentration was not as good and my memory had turned to slush. I went to the dr to get checked out and was told I was in menapause and these were part of the symptoms. I live alone, very happily, and have no one to notice if I do odd things. Hence the reason I state I am on the lookout for dementia symptoms. I don't even know if it works like that but I am sure it is a gradual process, there will be times of lucidity, before I turn totally ga-ga. It is an awful, awful disease which can last years. On the other hand, I may never get it but it does not hurt to be aware. Take care.

    • @m.t.4648
      @m.t.4648 10 місяців тому

      ​@@lynnedean713 good for you! Start a diary if you don't have one. It would help your kids or medical personel too if something starts go downhill. If not, it might be comforting to read after you are gone. I have one. I have put a mention in the cover that who ever has it, can read it. I write things like how my day has gone, what did I cook, where did I go etc. And also some memories and thoughts about my kids. I din't want them to feel guilty or bad after Im gone. I know they are doing the very best they can and that they care for me, even they are far away.

    • @romystumpy1197
      @romystumpy1197 3 місяці тому

      I would check out myself,not assisted ,go with dignity,

    • @thegreencat9947
      @thegreencat9947 2 місяці тому

      Well, you sound o.k. to me. Don't fret..

  • @thisismyname1888
    @thisismyname1888 8 місяців тому +6

    My dad is in an assisted living center, in Grand Rapids, MI. He has MS and is in need of very high care. This absolutely terrifies me. He has mentioned that things have gone missing while he was sleeping and the food we bring him doesn't get to him from the kitchen. I'm not sure how to go about it. We put his name on everything. This story breaks my heart 😢💔

    • @robyn7287
      @robyn7287 2 місяці тому +2

      Please don’t ignore your dad’s worries. Usually a simple check in with the head nurse will give you some information but it also lets the staff know that you’re not going to ignore your dad’s concerns. ❤

  • @truthylucy7068
    @truthylucy7068 11 місяців тому +18

    Those poor families who have the difficult decision to put their loved one in a nursing home.
    Only to find out they were murdered by two nurses.
    Kathy should've never been allowed parole.
    They're monsters! There's a special place in hell waiting for them both!

  • @DreamsOfFinland
    @DreamsOfFinland 10 місяців тому +6

    My father lay in nursing home bed moaning, staff told my mother "they all do that". He had a baseball size open rot hole in his hip. He was transferred to hospital to die. Alzheimer patients are treated like garbage in nursing homes and with at home care. They can't report, or they aren't believed. Makes me sick. Another woman had nursing home take away her cell phone, stuck in a bed for 2 years. No one could get through. She stabbed herself one day and was removed by ambulance, she was finally rescued by nieces.

  • @laraoneal7284
    @laraoneal7284 11 місяців тому +16

    This is probably the best & most interesting narrative channel I’ve ever listened to. These cases always hold my interest to the end. I can’t say that about other channels. Ty for ur work.

  • @texastea5686
    @texastea5686 11 місяців тому +11

    20 min in, and im so disgusted at how our frail and elderly are treated: beaten, raped, tortured...murdered! I just cant....

  • @grrman
    @grrman 11 місяців тому +19

    This is rough, but also impressive how absolutely disgusting some people can be.

  • @thegrimlooper
    @thegrimlooper 11 місяців тому +36

    I was a PCA for 2 years. No schooling/college for it but they would offer all the information you need. There was a dementia unit for those who needed complete care. With my personality type, the managers there would really use me. Especially since i loved what i did and i think elders deserve respect. It was all fun until they started accepting patients who were basically feral. Considering they accepted nearly any applicant, we would have people drunk and high on the job. But they would never be fired. Only people like me, who started questioning management as to why they let drug addicts openly in addiction take care of such vulnerable adults

    • @heather-cz8yk
      @heather-cz8yk 3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for all the extra work and difficult work that was assigned to you because you were more patient and better with the people who needed the most. I know people like you get exploited and burnt out. I cannot even watch this video because I worked in the field and know it will upset me no end.

  • @theiwatobiicepick7673
    @theiwatobiicepick7673 6 місяців тому +3

    I'm only in the beginning but WOW......Alzheimer's at 40 is devastating! My grandpa is 80 and we're just starting to worry about his forgetfulness. I can't imagine being not even halfway through life and that starts happening

  • @rhondamcewananderson3968
    @rhondamcewananderson3968 11 місяців тому +7

    I'm speechless. It just kept getting worse. Good job on this Casefile ❤️

  • @portnerman
    @portnerman 3 місяці тому +3

    I work in Grand Rapids MI as a paramedic and go to this facility regularly, the staff will file complaints against us if we even say “alpine manor” in the building

  • @chesspiece81
    @chesspiece81 11 місяців тому +11

    I always enjoy listening to the early Saturday morning Casefile uploads. I remember hearing about this case and what these women did, it was so disturbing and awful.

  • @pearlkenna5745
    @pearlkenna5745 11 місяців тому +10

    Omg ,my mother has alzhimers and is in a residential care home ,thanks god its a good one ,but I would be absolutely devastated if anything like that was to go on,the residents must have being terrified all the time ,its makes sick and there poor families, it horrendous, they both should have got life without parole ,so annoying, 😢💔🇨🇮

    • @danrobinson572
      @danrobinson572 11 місяців тому +3

      I agree ☝️

    • @Gospel_weekly
      @Gospel_weekly 11 місяців тому +3

      This place in case file was thought to be a good one too.
      You never know what’s really happening until its to late ,

    • @pearlkenna5745
      @pearlkenna5745 11 місяців тому +2

      It terrifies me

    • @richardcranium3579
      @richardcranium3579 11 місяців тому +2

      Depending on the state where it occurred, “life without parole” means after a period of 12 to 20 years they Will definitely get parole.
      In many states it Does Not mean natural life.

    • @danrobinson572
      @danrobinson572 11 місяців тому +2

      @@richardcranium3579 yeah in my state of Pennsylvania. It mean until you die

  • @Yeahno-ey3rb
    @Yeahno-ey3rb 11 місяців тому +7

    Nurses, CNAs EMTs, Paramedics all of you... underappreciated. Thank you. For those like Kathy, we all know you're guilty of so much more, all life is precious and deserves dignity. There were so many red flags throughout this case that were ignored. I wonder if the home was sued or if charges were ever brought against those in charge of the home.

  • @ItsKrma00
    @ItsKrma00 11 місяців тому +12

    I have to admit I really like listening to casefile stories based on U.S crimes because of the overall familiarity.

  • @marzash
    @marzash 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm a Michigan resident not far from Grabd Rapids who is into true crime and I've never heard of this case until listening to the podcast last night. I'm horrified to say the least, and Marguerite's story had me sobbing. I'm so angry that Cathy has been released from prison, she undoubtedly deserved life. Imagining what the family members of those vulnerable people went through... I don't think I could have stayed sane. It disturbs me that people like this work in healthcare. I have mad respect for the people who work in healthcare and actually care and have empathy for their patients. I could never do it. Y'all are literally my heroes.

  • @SweetTooth8989
    @SweetTooth8989 11 місяців тому +5

    Anyone that picks on children, the elderly or animals are in the same category of cowardly and disgusting creatures.
    They pick easy targets that they know won't even stand a chance of defending themselves.
    It's infuriating. These nursing home sadists aren't anything new, it's sad how many cases of them you hear.
    Just horrible.

  • @ChrisGroggyCreaser
    @ChrisGroggyCreaser 11 місяців тому +4

    This happens in the UK,Too!!..... :(

    • @zbigniewkolwalski5550
      @zbigniewkolwalski5550 4 місяці тому

      In the UK ,councils take people from there families put people in these horrendouse despicable places agaist their and families will .

  • @donnablack6280
    @donnablack6280 11 місяців тому +3

    Imagine how bad it's been these past few years.

  • @MissVanHelsing
    @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому +10

    Another upload, another Saturday night Casefile listening party chilling in bed before I sleep. ❤🎉 Things could only be better if I had a cat.

    • @blackkittens.
      @blackkittens. 11 місяців тому +4

      Meow, purr purr :)

    • @MissVanHelsing
      @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому +1

      @@blackkittens. nawwwhh! Hello! ☺️💕

    • @blackkittens.
      @blackkittens. 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MissVanHelsing Hello ::)

    • @MissVanHelsing
      @MissVanHelsing 11 місяців тому

      @@madisonjewell7017 give him a snuggle for me 😊❤️

  • @Spartakiss
    @Spartakiss 11 місяців тому +2

    As an aide that works in a facility in Michigan. One that state stays at constantly. Keep your family at home as long as possible

  • @1songbird7
    @1songbird7 11 місяців тому +5

    There isn't a rotting stinking place good enough in hell for these 2. Omgosh those poor helpless women. 😢

  • @DEATH-THE-GOAT
    @DEATH-THE-GOAT 11 місяців тому +4

    32:11 okay, I had enough. This is infuriating!

  • @artfuldodger96
    @artfuldodger96 11 місяців тому +15

    Oh.. my God. 🤨 The horror.
    Yet we still think paying the people who care for our elderly and small children minimum wage is a solid idea.

  • @DavidWilliams-yd4nh
    @DavidWilliams-yd4nh 3 місяці тому +1

    This story really hits close to home for me, being born and raised in Detroit. My dad was recently diagnosed with colon cancer. He had his colon removed and went to a nursing home for rehab. Rehab mind you. Although he wasn't murdered, he was slowing passing away as the care he got was terrible. No other medical problems aside from the removal of his colon. After a couple of weeks of watching him deteriorate we decided to get him out of there. When he was taken back to the hospital where he had his surgery they couldn't believe how poor of condition he was in from when he left there. He had been there less than a month. His organs were failing. He wouldn't have lasted another week in that place. I can only imagine what they would have told us had he passed away. I say all this to say if u have a loved one in a nursing home, please check on them regularly and if u see something that doesn't look right it probably isnt. Don't second guess it. Look into it IMMEDIATELY!!! It just may save their life.

  • @celestialknight2339
    @celestialknight2339 11 місяців тому +2

    I used to listen to this podcast a few years ago when you guys had like ~5,000 subscribers. So glad to see you’re getting bigger! Somehow your voice is nostalgic lol, and I’m glad I was reminded of you again, so I can check out your new content! Just wanted to say hi & keep up the good work!! 👍🏼

  • @always_b_natural703
    @always_b_natural703 11 місяців тому +10

    Jim Wood - As you age, I hope you come to understand that you too will become old, if you are lucky. How would you feel if someone decided for you that it was your day to die? You too, in a moment of weakness, at a time of youth or age, may be exterminated. These victim's families thought their loved ones were in a nursing home, not an extermination camp.
    As Michael Connelly's fictional detective Harry Bosch says 'Either everybody counts, or nobody counts.'

  • @MatthewSomethingOrOther
    @MatthewSomethingOrOther 11 місяців тому +4

    Wow what a story.

  • @SunshinePip
    @SunshinePip 4 місяці тому

    This is so sad. I worked in a nursing home and hospice for a short time and it was a rewarding and humbling experience. These people need care, respect and patience. I feel so sad for these poor elderly people.

  • @c.w.8200
    @c.w.8200 11 місяців тому +11

    I think if I'd ever developed dementia I'd want to go before the illness progressed to the stages described here, how awful. That said, what they did wasn't ending people's suffering, these helpless victims were terrified, whoever said it's ok to end lives of old patients who are dying anyway in such a manner must be crazy.

    • @marzash
      @marzash 11 місяців тому +1

      Developing dementia is one of my worst fears. I never want the people that I love to go through that.

  • @sidbobby3233
    @sidbobby3233 11 місяців тому +3

    Many thanks frm the UK 😎👊👊👍👍👌👌✌✌

  • @annohalloran6020
    @annohalloran6020 11 місяців тому +2

    You have me in tears sir. Thankyou for the sensitivity and compassion we have all come to expect from you. God keep you sir.

  • @sevastianvolkov8973
    @sevastianvolkov8973 4 місяці тому +2

    Aide industry is fucked. I got hired as one for the first time, they gave me NO training and stuck me with a dementia patient against regulations my first day on the job. I quit that same day because I had no idea what I was doing and told the family to find a different care agency. I needed the money, but I was just a danger to my patient and myself and it was unethical for me to be in charge of this man's care. Didn't even get taught how to help him get up or anything (some patients need equipment like belts, it would have been nice if they had shown me how to use them). I stayed in the field for a little while because it's easy work and I value spending time with my community's elders, and pretty much every place is just as bad.

  • @RunningInLondon
    @RunningInLondon 11 місяців тому +3

    Wow. As soon as you said Alpine Manor, my stomach flipped.
    I'm from Muskegon, a town nearby. Sick, sick women.
    I absolutely love how you started this documentary, with Margarite.
    Love from Canada.

  • @katherine9109
    @katherine9109 11 місяців тому +2

    I'm 67 and in poor health.
    this true series of events not only breaks my heart,
    it scares the fck out of me..!!!
    I have a hat that says:
    "Death Before LTC (long term care)".
    think maybe I'll get that tattooed on me.
    somewhere conspicuous...

  • @danrobinson572
    @danrobinson572 11 місяців тому +2

    Another great Saturday morning here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania in America 🇺🇸

  • @WordsBloom
    @WordsBloom 4 місяці тому +2

    These monsters were caught. How often does this happen and they never get caught?

  • @themorgan1111
    @themorgan1111 11 місяців тому +2

    Great coverage of this story, RIP all involved xxxxxxxxx

  • @amandasiddle6571
    @amandasiddle6571 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanku as always Casefile xx

  • @brianashe4725
    @brianashe4725 5 місяців тому +3

    My mom used to work for a nursing home that had a killer nurse. The management wasn't corrupt, however, and they were caught after their first failed attempt. Learning about this though, really puts into perspective what my mother helped prevent. She had been working reception that night and had reported the suspicious individual. This person had attempted to overdose a resident, got the dosage wrong which allowed the resident to survive the attempted murder, and was subsequently apprehended the following day.

  • @jessicawalton3497
    @jessicawalton3497 4 місяці тому +1

    I worked at a nursing home. Nothing close to this depraved was happening there. But I can also attest to the fact that profit over care is the goal of these homes. Nurse aides are severely underpaid, which leads to complacency. Corporations that own homes will cut corners on things like food (One gentleman was a vegetarian. The only thing he was given to eat was cheese sandwiches).
    Even those most caring people are limited to what they can do to help the elderly living in these homes. I couldn't take it. I felt helpless trying to help the residents.

  • @carolyounce5810
    @carolyounce5810 11 місяців тому +3

    I think even much more horrible than these murderous two was the general public opinion that these people were worthless and therefore the murderers should not receive maximums!

  • @andrewemery4272
    @andrewemery4272 11 місяців тому +8

    As the trial of nurse Lucy Letby shows us, nursing attracts people who like to harm, and again management turned a blind-eye.

  • @jamieharris2633
    @jamieharris2633 29 днів тому

    This breaks my heart my mom is 91 and I thank God everyday she is still in good health. But if anyone would do anything to my mom there would not be a place on this planet they would be able to hide because i would find them and i say that with my whole chest. With that being said thank you to the health care workers who take amazing care of their patients and treat them with respect

  • @margitwes6495
    @margitwes6495 11 місяців тому +2

    By Jim Wood's rational murder doesn't exist and no one should ever be convicted of such since we all die from the moment we're born. He should pray he will never end up in a nursing home,most of these places are hell.

  • @katelynbrown98
    @katelynbrown98 11 місяців тому +2

    This is truly awful. When this video first started I thought it was going to be about the Canadian nurse who killed her patients. This is in some ways worse due to the absolute oversight of neglect that was going on in the nursing home.

  • @SandyTheDesertFox
    @SandyTheDesertFox 7 місяців тому +2

    There are of course many wonderful nurses that go above and beyond for their patients, but as someone whose school bully went on to become a nurse and who spent time in psychiatric facilities where i witnessed weird and awful things there are definitely those who go into it because they get to have power over vulnerable people.

  • @PerpetuallyTori
    @PerpetuallyTori 2 місяці тому

    I’m a nurse getting a higher degree, and one of my classes right now is holistic care for older adults. Hearing that this was allowed to happen and just written off by administrators and agencies is so infuriating! This nursing home was a perfect textbook on what should never happen! This is why my mother will live with us when she’s not able to live alone anymore. This is my worst fear!

  • @jennifer60515
    @jennifer60515 8 місяців тому +1

    I have never understood behavior like this. We are all going to get old one day and most of us will need help. How can human beings treat others this way?

  • @JohnnyAppleseed-rq6yn
    @JohnnyAppleseed-rq6yn 11 місяців тому +2

    If there is such thing as an addiction to Casefile, I'm a junkie. Love my Casefile !

  • @KathleenCalhoun-em6ys
    @KathleenCalhoun-em6ys 3 місяці тому +1

    If this was rated a"standout" nursing facility by the Michigan State Board of Health, what were those others like which weren't so highly rated?

  • @TerritorialFlame
    @TerritorialFlame 3 місяці тому

    My granny is now 87 & although it won't be my decision, thankfully my family are in a position to care for her & we hope she never needs a home. Stories like this are terrifying! If anyone touched a hair on my grans head I don't think I would keep my sanity!!

  • @cynthiagibson6793
    @cynthiagibson6793 11 місяців тому +2

    That's sick 😫

  • @immir6647
    @immir6647 9 місяців тому +1

    My God this is a hard listen. It always is when its the most vulnerable in society. It seems like the whole care home was completely rotten from the top to the bottom. To then hear the daughter of a victim was then institutionalised in alpine manor is horrifying. Awful

  • @Puddlesmolly
    @Puddlesmolly 11 місяців тому +4

    I would never put my mother in a home.

    • @sewgood568
      @sewgood568 11 місяців тому +5

      Not everyone is in a position to care for a parent, and not every parent wants to be cared for by a child.
      I am happy that you are able to make this statement, but don't judge others for making a different decision.

    • @Puddlesmolly
      @Puddlesmolly 4 місяці тому

      Who is judging... We only get one mother 😮​@@sewgood568

  • @peaceseeker52
    @peaceseeker52 11 місяців тому +1

    It was disconcerting to me that State of TN thought former prisoners should be the Aides and PCAs, nonviolent was mentioned but that just puts many theives and addicts giving meds in homes to very febile, very sick or very disabled people. Whose idea was that?

  • @Skyline7760
    @Skyline7760 11 місяців тому

    Great job on case story. From Grand Rapids area and my neighbor told me of this case she was worker there and yes it was not good.

  • @angelussss
    @angelussss 7 місяців тому +1

    To think that people still argue Kathy and gwen not be punished severally since they only killed elder and sick people is just disgusting. This kind of thinking is the reason for all bad deeds

  • @littlebrownbear36
    @littlebrownbear36 11 місяців тому +2

    If these people are guilty, why don't you show their faces. They were supposed to take care of these elderly patients. The nursing home failed big time, and that damn doctor.

  • @theamazingmaymay123
    @theamazingmaymay123 10 місяців тому +1

    Ppl like this deserve the same treatment they inflicted on others.

  • @TheTalisa1974
    @TheTalisa1974 11 місяців тому +2

    Yes yes yes thank you

  • @hiboudeluxe
    @hiboudeluxe 8 місяців тому

    really weird hearing about a crime that happened in the area you live in...

  • @JimMilton-ej6zi
    @JimMilton-ej6zi 2 місяці тому

    How can someone be known as someone who steals from the elderly who are in your care and still have their job? That entire place is rotten.

  • @Flanneryschickens
    @Flanneryschickens 23 дні тому

    rarely do I feel sick when listening to these but man, this one got to me. it's so evil

  • @hibaakaiko3888
    @hibaakaiko3888 3 місяці тому

    I know a Cathy WOODS. But she's a darling who fosters cats and acts as our foster organization's driver. She is my go to when i need a kitty baby sitter because she spoils them and my babies love her.

  • @melaniecarver5719
    @melaniecarver5719 9 місяців тому

    My mother worked for years in nursing homes. She tried her best to keep on top of the nurse's aids and techs but it was a revolving door in that if they were fired, they would just get hired somewhere else. The only way to make something happen was to put in an anonymous call the the state about what was going on. If the state showed up unannounced the staff absolutely hated it. Most times state inspections are known in advance so the staff could cover and be all smiles and hearts when they showed up. My mom said if she ever found out I was going to put her in a nursing home she would take herself out. Nursing is a thankless job for sure. A lot of nurses care but are so understaffed it is pathetic.

  • @Arckivio
    @Arckivio 11 місяців тому +1

    I've had this issue on & off for a while but casefile uploads are the ones that will not fix themselves. I click on the video on my laptop, like & add to my watch later so I can listen in my workshop on my phone but I can't add to my watch later as that button disappears while loading!!! It happens with other uploaders but a refresh makes it appear. With casefile uploads I get like/dislike & share but no save!!!

    • @blackkittens.
      @blackkittens. 11 місяців тому +1

      'Share' tag is on the cell phone, if you go there.

  • @thegreencat9947
    @thegreencat9947 2 місяці тому +1

    This is the scariest thing I have ever heard. Hope I die before I get old.

  • @emmathomson2584
    @emmathomson2584 8 місяців тому +1

    She left a firearm in Gwen for hours… and let’s just be realistic here, that gun wasn’t in her mouth… that’s so incredibly messed up

  • @JimMilton-ej6zi
    @JimMilton-ej6zi 2 місяці тому

    Hearing that judge simp for her was disgusting, those two should be forced to live the same fate they lovingly forced onto others, and i have no doubt in my mind that those two would happily do it again if given the chance

  • @righteousviking
    @righteousviking 5 місяців тому +2

    What's the deal with men leaving when women initiate divorce? You want out, so... you go!

  • @JimMilton-ej6zi
    @JimMilton-ej6zi 2 місяці тому

    I know that if my parents were abused by hospital staff, they would not keep their job, i would do every thing i can to ensure that

  • @danielwalicke6635
    @danielwalicke6635 11 місяців тому

    The horrable thing is that this can happen again real fast. I don’t think it would for as long as it did with this case. We put our trust in these facilities and you have no say in who gets hired. I used to work as a driver for a Assisted Living Favilay(Nurseing Home) and I saw people who really shoun’t be in healthcare. And I’ll just leave it as that.

  • @johnmichaelfitzgerald3052
    @johnmichaelfitzgerald3052 11 місяців тому

    Gotta do a show about Jill Maher murdeted in Brunswick, cheers from Melbourne 🇦🇺

  • @emimon2351
    @emimon2351 8 місяців тому +2

    "Kathy was the brains and Gwen was the brawn." More like a couple of sociopaths with serious daddy issues 🤦

  • @user-zr3pj5tk7k
    @user-zr3pj5tk7k 5 місяців тому

    Just read the book, shocking.

  • @RhythmAndStyle
    @RhythmAndStyle 4 місяці тому +1

    I couldn't stop laughing at these 2 horrible evil ppl..my childhood was so horrible imma make everyone else life miserable too, oh boy..and that nursing home only cares about money

  • @user_angelmum
    @user_angelmum 11 місяців тому +1

    Disgusting that animal was released from Jail .. sadly the witch is still young enough to murder again
    😡

  • @ryancostello5288
    @ryancostello5288 3 місяці тому +1

    who payed that fuckin judge off lol I 100% believe Cathy was the master mind behind all of it. she definitely did more than Gwen an initiated all this

  • @missychan63
    @missychan63 Місяць тому

    "Homicide" is a manner of death, not a cause.

  • @michellebygate4334
    @michellebygate4334 8 місяців тому

    Hire people that have. Been and trained..

  • @dylanwicklund5129
    @dylanwicklund5129 11 місяців тому

    The ex husband is disgusting that letter i cant believe he would even write that let alone think that

  • @michellewhipple1686
    @michellewhipple1686 11 місяців тому

    How calus an opinion , just because someone is old and weak does not give anyone the right to take a life.

  • @Tsumami__
    @Tsumami__ 11 місяців тому +1

    5’2” and 145 lbs is not athletic built lmao. They were both big girls.

    • @juliecaponehaynes6202
      @juliecaponehaynes6202 8 місяців тому +2

      I competed as a middle weight in bodybuilding at 5'3 137lbs....I wasn't big!

  • @edgarjryo7071
    @edgarjryo7071 Місяць тому

    13:40

  • @dylanwicklund5129
    @dylanwicklund5129 11 місяців тому

    Wow Kathy gets away with murdering 8 people and saying she only was a look out more like Gwen was this case really pisses me off Gwen should have gotten 5 to 10 years and Kathy life no parole

    • @immir6647
      @immir6647 9 місяців тому +1

      And the fact Kathy was bragging about it and about getting Gwen in trouble as revenge really makes me wonder who tf approved that monsters parole.

  • @pjwolf-wiemers
    @pjwolf-wiemers 9 місяців тому +1

    🤬😭

  • @Johnconno
    @Johnconno 8 місяців тому

    This is normal in England.

  • @baseballworldwide9439
    @baseballworldwide9439 11 місяців тому +1

    not COV!D, thats for sure

  • @ryancostello5288
    @ryancostello5288 3 місяці тому +1

    how many lesbians were in that hospital lol

  • @user-ik6wz2ti3e
    @user-ik6wz2ti3e 3 місяці тому

    IAmJoeBiden

  • @imacarrot6570
    @imacarrot6570 4 місяці тому +1

    Women are always better and never do anything wrong .. :^)

  • @daviesnicholas3811
    @daviesnicholas3811 11 місяців тому

    It’s taking Casefile a while to get going since their return from the latest break. Another boring dud.