So to recap: -Like 100 people saw everything -Exactly 0 of them helped -But about 50 told the cops what they saw at least 10 times each -And the cops couldn't even pretend to give even a shit Aaaaaand I'm now I'm in a white hot rage and can't sleep. I'm gonna go punch some stuff until my eye stops twitching.
Punch a few teddy bears for me ..careful of hard objects, you'll only hurt yourself. I can't sleep now either. There hard to be some reason the cops didn't want to investigate. Either 1. Hitch hiking young girls were immoral Or 2. the cops were too afraid of that whole family of perpetrators and didn't want to stir up that wasp nest
I agree the local police needed to be investigated. Way too much shotty of police work. Reports not taken seriously and written down, lack of investigations on leads. A freaking mall security guard could have done a better job. Leads one to wonder what connections that influenced people and police in that town.
A man once tried attacking me in a parking lot. I screamed as loud as my lungs possibly could. A random man popped his face over a nearby fence & confronted the first man. He even got a photo of him and his license plate. The man left me alone & vacated the area almost immediately. All it takes: is one witness to question the situation & potentially be a hero.
@mcdougalvalentine5801 exactly. Glad you are ok and the Lord sent someone to be there at just the right moment. I want through something worse but not as bad as the nurses so I know how you felt at the time.
Imagine being those girls, knowing you were about to be raped and murdered, and a car drives by. You think you're saved, but no. They drive off and don't even tell the police until the NEXT DAY. Their blood is on those cowards' heads. I understand why they didn't stop, but they should have driven straight to a phone, a police station, anything. While they slept, those girls were tortured and killed. Disgusting.
Yep. I literally tried to put myself in their shoes too. I imagined screaming for help and seeing the people drive off and feeling my heart sink, but then I would probably have a little flicker of hope that they had sped off for help. But nope. So I have no words. I hope all of those people were haunted in their sleep.
@@MsTygameoften would be attack3ra know how far they can take their harassment and abuse without getting arrested though assualts that dint leave marks and not acting in front of witnesses...bullies either fine tune there art after school (or becom3 cops" and know how to manipulate our court systems
Sickening, isn't it? Plus the amount of cowardice and "not wanting to get involved", even advising their daughter not to get involved! Looking at this case, it's not hard to see how Nazism so easily got itself established, either. 😏
I just cant believe it! Oh my God, the girl made it away to someones home, and she didnt automatically call the police?? Wait until my husband gets home?! WTF And he says nah, just a lovers tiff? OMG
The level of incompetence in the police is truly mind blowing. And equally baffling is the absolute disregard of numerous witnesses who just couldn’t bevothered
It's because the main suspect was related to a very senior police officer - and I mean VERY high up! So any investigation into him would be shut down - IMMEDIATELY!
Queensland police in this case were so incompetent and uncaring . The men who killed her were totally despicable sadists . The witnesses who turned away and did nothing , gutless and weak people . What a sad fate these poor innocent girls had to suffer .
@@malakaikunahauif you know what someone did and don’t say anything, then you bare some responsibility for their evil. Especially if they go on to hurt other people as a result of your silence.
What a God Forsaken hole that place must be! Justice will be served when each and everyone of them meet their maker and Im not just talking about the murderers, I include the Police and the Silent Witnesses too. 😡😡😡
Damn: there is no "domestic" that allows one beating up the other. ALWAYS call the police and stop the violence. How awfull that so many reacted doing nothing when people were screaming for help
I do have to admit, there was a point in this story where I was thinking much the same thing: that such incompetence was probably deliberate to cover up police involvement
This excuse of bumbling "incompetence," when faced with crimes against women, is a suspiciously global phenomena in police departments... until you discover what type of men are at the top of the pyramid. Yes, pyramid.
I think it's because when this occurred, the early 1970's, people (including police) didn't get involved in "domestic situations" meaning domestic violence or aka "Family fights." I was a young police officer, fresh out of the Academy in very late 1980's and the very oldest of supervisors didn't think we should be involved in that. I stood up to him while on his shift because I had learned about it and knew better. Being on probation for your entire first year as an officer, you can be let go because they don't like how you shine your boots. It was terrifying to tell him "no sir, I'm not leaving this home without arresting the husband, he is the aggressor and he committed a battery. He's going to jail tonight. The Sgt just looked at me, lit a cigarette and went and got into his car. I knew Iwas doomed. Well, I thought wrong, and it turned out that he respected my courage and he learned from that night himself. He was one of my biggest supporters until he retired. Sorry for the long post-just wanted to share that up through the 1990's were a not great time to be a woman. Things have only really changed in the last 23 years.
@@LaLadybug2011 Thank goodness, someone who has common sense and can actually view the situation from how things were THEN, instead of how they are NOW. Police and everyday people never got involved in these incidents, if that's what they thought they were. That's why everything changed from those days to now. I know this area well and it was very isolated back then and still is now. Phones, police etc were not common in those days.
The casual misogyny of dismissing a clearly violent assault as "probably a domestic", or being too afraid of their husband to report an obvious crime to the police even when the murders were in the news, is appalling. Those women's lives weren't worth the effort to pick up a phone.
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Yeah that line stood out to me too. The pure absurdity of someone causally dismissing someone being afraid for there lives as “just domestic abuse” is rage inducing
I dont understand how so many witnesses could not stand up for these girls by either intervening or making sure police were called straight away, especially the woman who sheltered one of the girls in her home for several minutes. And the police at the time who never took statements or even followed up on witness information. This is so disgusting, especially when we pay these forces to protect us and uphold the laws. Those poor girls were left to die at the hands of these monsters!
I remember reading about this case in the Good weekend magazine. The author believed that the reason the police didn’t take the reports seriously is because they knew these men and their families on a personal basis. That’s the dilemma of working those types of jobs in the area you live in.
These poor women begged for help from at least TEN PEOPLE who couldn't be arsed to put themselves out 😡 I can not imagine the utter despair they must have felt every time another person left them in the hands of their tormentors.
Yeah, in the hands of all their Torturers . 😔 🙄💔 RIP Sweet Souls. I'm so sorry Sweet angels that there is PURE EVIL MIXED WITH TRASH in this Beautiful world .
@malakaikunahau I have personally called emergency services on another continent to check on someone making s*icide threats. I have done multiple wellness checks at the requests of a family friend - and was the one to find their son after he finally committed s*icide. How about you?
honestly I hear this story and know it was very nearly my story in the 70's, when my friend and I hitch hiked all over. Foolishly thinking her mace would protect us. We were picked up by some guys with bad intent, started partying with them, when the one started to rape my friend in the back seat. We locked eyes and in our heads both prayed together with all our might. We were best friends and it was like our secret thing, in tricky situations. Their car broke down on a highway , we ran away. Miles from home, but enough traffic was around they didn't chase us. There was a gas station close by, we ran there. We were found by a grandfatherly man who offered to take us home, and chewed us out and made us promise we would never do it again. And we never did.
@debrastarr5083 mace can blow back into your face, making you even more of a victim. I tried it on a porch. Didn't realize we had a little breeze now and then. It went in my face. Burns your eyes and nose and makes your eyes water. Takes forever to get it out.
Those poor women. So unfair. About 10 yrs ago my teen neighbor drove up to her house blaring her horn & yelling for help. I ran outside with my gun & her dad came barreling out shooting his gun in the air. The guy chasing the girl spun around & fled in his vehicle. Turned out he was a big high school football “hero” whom the girl rejected & he apparently got pissed. He was on the run for 2 days. Then an 82 y/o guy called the cops to say someone broke in his house & the guy now needs a hearse (he must have watched Sling-blade). It was the football guy. Case closed. A POS eliminated.
It's a shame citizens must take justice into their own hands these days.its the same in America. Not expecting a quick turnaround in society 😢 Blessings from Kentucky. Stay strong and stand your ground 💪🙏❤
@@eugenehong8825 but this wouldn’t have happened in the first place so your observation is incorrect and even if it did happen here who in their right mind would get involved at the risk of being shot and killed. Also I couldn’t think of anything worse than actually shooting and killing someone and running the risk of being jailed for it.
The amount of people who might have seen some of this crime is crazy. It could have been reported during the crime about 5 times. If it had been reported properly and promptly they would have at least been caught way earlier. The police in the area knew the family and the car and had heard screams! She even went to a door to get help. Then not reporting it after you know someone was killed is just so wrong. The police are also so awful here. I hope all those people who didn’t report any part of the crime in progress feel bad.
Can you imagine being so afraid of your husband that you wouldn't report witnessing a murder? Those women's lives seemed worthless to the police and witnesses.
It's hard to imagine how every single person who came upon those poor girls and could have saved them were too cowardly to try to help. Sure those animals represented a serious threat but why didn't one of them at least have the moral fortitude to risk being hurt to save them. Was there not one hero amongst them? I'm sorry to say I was a student nurse in London around this time and as a young girl away from home I often thought I could die here and people would step over me. I never attributed this mentality to Aussies. I very briefly worked in Sydney Hospital with Anita Cobby, and didn't know her on any personal level, yet her death remains with me today. I wonder how many times these witnesses have thought about this tragedy or looked at their own daughters and wondered what if that were our daughter? There's no question about it... bad people can be stopped but it takes courage. Looking the other way is tantamount to condoning their behaviour.
I would have jump out like what are you doing to my daughter's and if my life would have been taking I would have been a hero hit them with the car or some 😢😢
I hope Brian and Thelma feel guilt till they die. Personally I think that is unforgivable. One of the girls looked straight into their eyes and screamed for help. And they did nothing??? WTF? I felt sick when I heard that.
indeed, I understand that they were afraid for their little daughter, but it was far too late to report the incident to a police officer until the next morning. Hours had passed by then.
They had a child with them. Or you wanted that dead too. And in case you missed it there where multiple people that witnessed them and did the same thing. Some had children with them too. And called the police after , who didn't even bother too get their testimony. One woman interacted with one of the girls who ran at her house for help
One of the strongest instincts is self-preservation. Most people like to see themselves as heroes who would risk their lives to save another, but in reality it is more the exception than the rule for someone to do so.
But to go home and still not call the police or non emergency number is absolutely negligent! They are selfish people! One day they may need help & that's when karma will be waiting.
I feel so sorry for the poor parents. No help from the authorities, who appear to have been grossly incompetent to the point of malfeasance. What a nightmare those families had to live through, aside from the murder of their poor daughters.
So many witnesses! Some of them took too long to report what they saw. If everyone reported immediately maybe something would have been done, the policing too was lacking
One of the best case files I have listened to. How each of these police officers got away with such blatant neglect is beyond comprehension..never mind the perpetrators.. 😡😡
The victims and their families wouldn't say this was one of the best cases. I couldn't say that either! Maybe you though it was the worst case? I don't know if I will be able to continue as i obviously know the outcome. Actually five minutes if enough! Rest in peace dear poor ladies! Cannot stomach this story. Better stick to fiction. 👎
My own sister hitch hiked and was raped and abandoned in the bush. Thank god she was not killed. This case is so wicked and disgusting, these blokes need to be treated like this themselves and hopefully were in prison.
@@Hippidippimahm Thank you, she is is a good marriage now, but if has effected her throughout her life. My parents took it all on and kept it away from us kids at the time the best they could. They have now both passed.
Another excellent telling of another horrifying case, replete with a group of sadistic, degenerate killers, and apathetic, incompetent law enforcement who ignore witnesses, fail to interview identified suspects or follow promising leads and eyewitnesses who don't contact police immediately. The authorities appeared to be clueless that they were dealing with a serial killer or killers. Absolutely appalling and inexcusable that these murders are still unsolved. Well done research and report of a gutwrenching case.
Thank you for covering this case from my local area ,this reminds me of Anita Cobby in many ways ... The pure terror of running in a strange area at night knowing if someone finds you they will hurt you while hearing your friend scream knowing what's happening... God Bless Their Souls 🌹
The bystander effect is very real. When in trouble, point and tell someone to call the cops. In this case, yell, "You or Each person or Everyone or Everybody call 911 together" and issue a declaration "I will die if YOU don't help"
These girls deserve justice for what happened to them. And for those who have kept quiet about the perpetrators - you're all a bunch of COWARDS!! And the person whose name was given to police, repeatedly, and by HEAPS of people, who was considered as a very viable suspect, with his brothers and cousins? Well, he wasn't even looked at, because his brother was very, very high up in the QLD police force. So whenever he was mentioned, or someone wanted to investigate this man or his relatives, it was IMMEDIATELY shut down, with threats of violence and loss of jobs in the police force. Queensland - The best police force that money can buy!
The 80s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
@@dougtaylor2803 aight... The 70s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
‘’It was probably just….” is how a denial is stated…person blowing off the possibility someone might need help, might cause another person some inconvenience. In my opinion, the indifference and cowardice of much of the “general public” are as bad as the actions of criminals. More scary because you don’t expect much humanity from rapists and killers, but you always want to think your neighbors care. Good luck with that.
Agreed, the ignorance of people failed them. And the mindset of 'oh I will report to the police if I hear something in the news'. FFS, if you hear in the news that means tragic already happen 🤦
@@dougtaylor2803ok I thought about it. Yep I agree it's as bad. The failure to do something, makes a person compliant to the crime being committed. ( getting to a safe location and immediately report to police was the minimum they could have done). Remember this. If your driving the get away car. And your friend shoots & kills someone. Your an accomplice in the crime. And should be held accountable in the murder. The lessor of 2 evils is still EVIL!
@@AngelMGordon Reminds me of this line from Boondock Saints: “We must all fear evil men, but there is a different kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
Jeezz as an Aussie living within an hour of most of these places, I am shocked at the mistakes, and blind eyes turned over and over again.. My condolences to all the families. At least hitch-hiking deaths haven't happened for a very long time since this era. Beautiful production yet again casefile ❤
Shorty was so crazy that he bellowed like a cow but yet he knew enough to hire a lawyer? The couple that drove by with the small child and saw the abduction going on they should have forced the issue with the police. They should have made that phone call along the way they might have saved the lives of these two nurses.
No one had mobile phones back in the 70’s so a silly comment. Also, it’s one thing to go and help people in distress in broad daylight in an urban area and only one possible assailant, it’s quite another to be out at night in a remote wooded area faced with several possibly violent men doing harm, and also having your childs’ safety to think of. Honestly, we would all love to think we would assist in such cases, the reality is you have to weigh up whether you will be harmed too, a fight or flight kicks in and I am pretty sure those people lived with guilt for the rest of their lives.
@@JayneMcDonough-b3d .." along the way" is referring to they could have stopped at the pay phone mentioned along the way but they didn't stop to use it because they thought the men would ride by and see them on the payphone.
Officer Hamilton made an effort, Norma wanted to: but her husband felt women being mistreated in 'just a domestic' was acceptable behavior. And denying a memorial placque is not going to wipe the slate clean...the truth will find a way to come out. This podcast proves my point.
I was born in Toowoomba October 6th 18 years after the murders. I've been a local all my life, how have not heard about this case? These poor nurses were failed by not only the public, but the Queensland police numerous times. I've never been more frustrated listening to a true crime story than this one. Why did no one help these girls?? It hits close to home. Wow... just wow.
I didn’t sense that I was listening to details of a crime spanning decades that occurred in a civilized country. Nearly everyone involved behaved like lunatics.
I came from a country town close to Toowoomba, We knew to never go anywhere near the family or be caught on your own. Your assumption of lawless lunatics is quiet correct.
@@deadlyqueensif your regionally local. I have a question. What connections between the police and the 2 main family's ? Is Someone a powerful politician? Is other illegal activities associated with those involved that might have been paying police off?
@@AngelMGordon on several posts in this comment section it says one of those involved had a brother "way, way way high up" in the local police force. I am an American so have no idea if that is a fact but it is stated multiple times in the comments/replies to comments.
The incompetence by the police is absolutely disgusting and something should be done with them and all those disregarded witnesses who tried to report what they saw and were ignored by police it makes my blood boil. This is my first time watching one of your videos and I enjoyed it and all your hard work. Liked n' Subscribed. Cheers
i must say i have loved true crime for over 20 years now . and your channel is the best ive listened to ever . you put so much effort and detail into the storys you do . i love it , so a big thank you
I hope every last person that didn't report what they saw get a dose of it themselves and no one helps them This is why I carry... You can't rely on others to help you
How can someone witness a crime & not immediately report it to law enforcement? I don’t get it. That’s being complicit IMHO. You see girls struggling with men while screaming for help & do nothing?! Especially parents with daughters. That could be your girl one day & how would you feel if someone saw her being attacked & just left then stayed silent. It’s mind boggling. To all those that don’t come forward - just know that Karma is a b!tch & you’ll pay for your complicity one way or another.
Some would think it is likely a case of husband and wife arguing or boyfriend and girlfriend and do not want to interfere. Some people overreact to situations. I have seen young children crying in the presence of an adult-I presume the adult is a parent or guardian so I do not intervene and ask the nature of the relationship.
Domestic violence is a thing. People die from it & it’s illegal so I don’t care if the person who’s being attacked is in a relationship with the attacker. You call the police! And it’s better to overreact than sit by twiddling your thumbs while someone is being assaulted & murdered. And little kids throwing a tantrum when they don’t get their way is completely different than a teen or young adult screaming for help. Your comparing apples to ostriches & if you can’t see the difference I pity you.
Thank you so much for shining light on a very dark stain on Toowoomba. I was young when those poor girls where found and their terrible demise was related to us young girls not to hitchhike🥺 A culture where violence was excepted as normal has no place in our society. Thank God attitudes have shifted. To late for Lorraine and Wendy sadly😢
WTF is it with all the people who saw women clearly needing help, who screamed for help, and they did nothing?! Then we have the police who were totally uninterested in hearing of these things. What the hell is up with that? It makes me want to never go to Australia, where God forbid if I ever needed help, I wouldn't get it. Especially the men who didn't want to get involved. Sickening. What i must have been like, to be those women, pleading for help and getting none.
I know people back then seemed to not give a shit about domestic violence but HOW was the situation they came across just 'a lovers tiff' the women were screaming for help, they looked right in someone's face and asked for help!! Idk if you have your kids in the car, roll down the window a little bit and yell, honk the horn, make a note of the licence plates idk just try something 😢
So 3or 4 car loads of criminals rape and murder 2 women with multiple witnesses and police actually notified of the crime as it is happening. Several perpetrators brag openly for years and it still took this long to catch them. The complete incompetence makes the keystone cops look like absolute super geniuses. The officers involved should actually have to pay back all the pay they received over their entire law enforcement careers. And face criminal prosecution
I'm as frustrated with the witnesses as everybody else BUT.... what about the complete constant balls up from the police department? They are useless. One detective that takes it seriously gets transferred somewhere else. WTF? The police department are to blame for the scumbags getting away with crime after crime which include murder and rape. Why weren't they held accountable?😡
The police deliberately let the evil ones off the hook because the police couldn't possibly be that messed up. They let that straggler go home because he was upset to be questioned and he lawyered up! OMG! 😢
Bystander Syndrom is a SERIOUS problem all around the world. People can be really selfish... If You see something SAY SOMETHING! You could save a life!
@@malakaikunahau Just because you don’t jump in and help in the moment doesn’t mean you should just go home, crack open a beer and forget the whole thing. What kind of a person are you?
So just women and children get murdered not men? I hope your not implying that only men are capable of evil because plenty of cases of women murdering their children.
ALWAYS REMEMBER, YOU ARE YOUR OWN 1ST RESPONDER! Obviously, these ladies were on their own with so many cowards & do-nothings seeing all of this taking place & didn't even bother to make a phone call! How unthinkable that so many people couldn't be bothered to help screaming females in obvious distress begging for help! And the police response was, to put it nicely, beyond pathetic! Unbelievable on so many levels!
It's so painful to listen past the point where that couple saw the girl scream for help and continue to drive past, then didn't even bother calling the police until the next morning. It's almost too much to take. The anguish I feel from that is excruciating
Things are a little more advanced than in 1974. These men were known From Toowoomba to Goondiwindi and most were Terrified of them. Because they were mad
Australia is still a very dangerous place. Many people vanish there yearly, serial-killer cases from time to time. Another problem is that the Communist regime institutionalised took the guns from the citizens. You don't have the right to defend yourself and the laws are hyperlenient. It is no good place for vacation or to live.
Yeah judge a whole country based on one small rural town. What about that woman who was raped on a train full of people in America and no one did anything?
What is wrong with Aussies. They make Newyorkers seem helpful! Just ignore the assualt and keep driving. Not our problems. Can't even start with how completely incompetent authorities were.
Door handle, window winders missing, an ugly trap. Back then in SA a friend & myself got interested back of a car, wanting a ride to the hosp, as it was raining. We told the driver, turn here but kept going, we were 5 min down the road, after punching, hitting the driver & his mate, that did nothing, the guy in the back said, let them go, car kept speeding, I said to the other girl we have to jump, I was in the middle, reached over grabbed the door handle , yanked it off in my haste& out we jumped, I being 14, other person 17, no injuries, what they would have done would be far worse than any injury from leaping out of the car.
I've never found that. I've travelled throughout every part of Qld & never had a problem, even sleeping out under the stars beside my car. Driving on crap roads or encountering deadly critters are more likely to be problems than someone with bad intent. I have to agree that it's infuriating that these women, other victims & their families never saw justice.
@TutuFerret I got that information off a documentary a while back about an English couple. I think the boyfriend was murdered. Sorry, I can't remember the entire story.
@@regine3147 That sounds like Peter Falconio/Joanne Lees. That was a crazy case, and very unusual. That was in the NT - I've travelled through there as well & slept in the car near where it happened. I think the fact that parts of this country can be very dangerous if you're not prepared means you do what you can to prepare to survive all kids of danger. There are usually plenty of other tourists or road trains around. There's not a lot of phone reception but I listen to truckies on the UHF & they report issues on the road & I'd call them for help if necessary. People are usually friendly and ready to help out, but I rely heavily on instinct & if something feels wrong I steer clear. I love the outback and the desert & can't wait for my next trip in September. My 80yo mum's coming this time so it will be motels, not sleeping rough. :) I really do love this country so I can get a bit defensive.
The shocking level of police incompetence lead me to keep thinking some police involvement must be the case. It wouldn’t surprise if this ultimately turned out to be the case. You just can’t be that ineffective without deliberate intention.
That makes me sad about the plaque. That would've at least given something - as Eric stated. Anyway, as always, thanks for the hard work you put into these cases.
great coverage of this case...and the police omg omg ..they are a disaster, basically they are all guily for their ignorance, what if it had been their daughters its tragic it really is xxx
They got into a car with 4 blokes. I read about this years ago the blokes were known as the Town bullies. They sexually assaulted many women in the town. And everyone were frightened of them. Hence why nobody came forward. After the terrible deaths of these two women. The leader of the group of bullies died in a car accident. And they did bring the friends of these guys to court. Years after the crime. When I read this story in the paper in 2012 13. I felt physically sick. That so many people drove along the road and came upon them with these guys. And the police. Attitude. Towards these girls. Just no excuse. For the way the police acted.
I’ve heard so many stories about things like this where the Australian police seem to do literally nothing (or even worse - cover things up), that it makes me think it isn’t only the wildlife in Australia that are out to get you.
I hope you're subscribers increase 10 fold you do a great job. These issues and cases can be very hard to listen to but you make it easier. Thank you much appreciated. 💯👍🇺🇸
I couldn't believe how many people witnessed things and I was in disbelief at the girl that escaped the kidnappers, and made it to the couple's home and went back out to save her friend. She would've had a lot better chance calling the police and waiting, instead she got killed along with her friend. That blew my mind.
Unpopular opinion: everyone wants to talk about and condemn the many witnesses, but nobody wants to talk about how Lorraine ignored her friend's pleas not to go and threatened to leave her there by herself if she chose not to go. Listen to your gut ladies.
I also love how Americans are being quick to judge Australia based on one small rural town, when a women was raped on a train full of people in New York in 2021 and no one did anything except record with their phones.
The same in the Colleen Stan case,everyone telling her not to hitchhike & she was totally defiant she was going to which lead to an horrendous living hell for over 7 yr's,it's one of Casefile's stories if you haven't got round to listening to it,a hard listen it's so sad & disturbing by a very sick f@#k
Hi - i just wanted to hop in: Discovered your channel this morning and immediately subscribed! What a tragic case! Imagine, how much good those bright young women had to give to society.. But no. Very sad and tragic. P.S.: Love your accent! Greetings from Germany 🌻 Edit: My God! Imagine, the glimpse of Hope those poor women must have felt, as the car came along and stopped (or at least slowed down) They surely hoped, that help was on the way - they even made eye-contact! And noone came. To hope and then to realise, that this small silver lining just faded away must be heartbreaking. Oh, and this "Shorty"- Guy that was in "distress" bc of the interrogation?? Yep. Completely believable! 🙄 I'm sure, those poor Nurses weren't in "Distress" - no, they felt "Todesangst!"
Just like in the Chinese bbq attack recently, women who wanted to intervene were told by their husbands and boyfriends not to get involved. Some men don't want to challenge the right of other men to attack women in public
LOL all you gotta do to avoid an interview with the cops is just freak out and scream like a baby? just lock him in the room for a few hours and hell tire himself out eventually.......... or dont.
It does seem like the police knew these families and their criminal capabilities and turned a blind eye. Yes the girls put themselves in danger but no excuse for the police not to be more proactive with information. RIP girls.
What a bunch of useless people. Those poor girls where let down by every one. If the cops new these two had a car equipped out for abducting women why didn't they do something immediately?
I hope that couple dream of those girls every night of the rest of their lives. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been, to think that the girls would have PRAYED that the couple would at the very least call the police when they got home. This was heartbreaking 😢
Well: obviously for quite a while in Queensland, Australia: there were a lot of cops who simply didn't CARE what happened to young women who went out hitchhiking; and there were obviously a lot of members of the public who sadly felt the same. 😏 And there were these antisocial families or "clans" in certain neighbourhoods, who the police obviously didn't feel the need to investigate to put a stop to their surely many criminal and antisocial activities. 👎 Australia in the 1970s sounds worse than the American Wild West, in many respects. At least in the Wild West, if you did stuff like that, they'd send US Marshals and/or bounty hunters after you. 😏
Sounds like you are forgetting about Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Green River Killer, Charles Manson and his group, etc. The US wins hands down when it comes to serial and mass murderers. Not something to be proud of. 🇨🇦
I have listened to so many of these case files. I am so confused and disappointed at how these murders are not treated with seriousness. If someone mentions they murdered someone, don't just brush it off. If you see someone being kidnapped don't just assume their fine. These are infuriating and don't get me started on police and investigators.
I have often thought that Australians were very like Texans. I now think I have been wrong. No Texan, man or woman, would have behaved as those Australian witnesses. May God have mercy.
So to recap:
-Like 100 people saw everything
-Exactly 0 of them helped
-But about 50 told the cops what they saw at least 10 times each
-And the cops couldn't even pretend to give even a shit
Aaaaaand I'm now I'm in a white hot rage and can't sleep. I'm gonna go punch some stuff until my eye stops twitching.
White hot rage? Don't murder anybody.
I was going to watch this for bed, guess I'll watch this during the day. Thanks for the heads-up.
Punch a few teddy bears for me ..careful of hard objects, you'll only hurt yourself. I can't sleep now either. There hard to be some reason the cops didn't want to investigate. Either
1. Hitch hiking young girls were immoral
Or
2. the cops were too afraid of that whole family of perpetrators and didn't want to stir up that wasp nest
Such devil's advocates!!!
I agree the local police needed to be investigated. Way too much shotty of police work.
Reports not taken seriously and written down, lack of investigations on leads.
A freaking mall security guard could have done a better job.
Leads one to wonder what connections that influenced people and police in that town.
A man once tried attacking me in a parking lot. I screamed as loud as my lungs possibly could. A random man popped his face over a nearby fence & confronted the first man. He even got a photo of him and his license plate. The man left me alone & vacated the area almost immediately. All it takes: is one witness to question the situation & potentially be a hero.
@mcdougalvalentine5801 exactly. Glad you are ok and the Lord sent someone to be there at just the right moment. I want through something worse but not as bad as the nurses so I know how you felt at the time.
Imagine being those girls, knowing you were about to be raped and murdered, and a car drives by. You think you're saved, but no. They drive off and don't even tell the police until the NEXT DAY. Their blood is on those cowards' heads. I understand why they didn't stop, but they should have driven straight to a phone, a police station, anything. While they slept, those girls were tortured and killed. Disgusting.
Yep. I literally tried to put myself in their shoes too. I imagined screaming for help and seeing the people drive off and feeling my heart sink, but then I would probably have a little flicker of hope that they had sped off for help. But nope. So I have no words. I hope all of those people were haunted in their sleep.
That's Australia. Weren't thousands of scumbags sent to rot and die there for years? It seems the bad DNA is still around....
Actually doesnt shock me. My neighbors are so fcking crazy obsessed me. Try to get inside my house many many times.
@@annberlin5811why haven’t they been arrested?
@@MsTygameoften would be attack3ra know how far they can take their harassment and abuse without getting arrested though assualts that dint leave marks and not acting in front of witnesses...bullies either fine tune there art after school (or becom3 cops" and know how to manipulate our court systems
the number of people that saw something but did nothing is just frustratingly astonishing
That's exactly what I was thinking, that and the apathy of the police. So many opportunities missed. Very sad.
Sickening, isn't it? Plus the amount of cowardice and "not wanting to get involved", even advising their daughter not to get involved!
Looking at this case, it's not hard to see how Nazism so easily got itself established, either. 😏
Makes me wonder if it is an Australian cultural thing? The amount of times someone could have spoken out and possibly helped really is incredible. 😢
Sick really...
I just cant believe it! Oh my God, the girl made it away to someones home, and she didnt automatically call the police?? Wait until my husband gets home?! WTF And he says nah, just a lovers tiff? OMG
The level of incompetence in the police is truly mind blowing. And equally baffling is the absolute disregard of numerous witnesses who just couldn’t bevothered
My thoughts exactly !!
I've read your exact comment way too many times. It's scary, it really is. END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!
Cowardly witnesses, stupid police, two dead women. What a combo.
It's because the main suspect was related to a very senior police officer - and I mean VERY high up!
So any investigation into him would be shut down - IMMEDIATELY!
Remember the Fitzgerald enquiry??
Queensland police in this case were so incompetent and uncaring . The men who killed her were totally despicable sadists . The witnesses who turned away and did nothing , gutless and weak people . What a sad fate these poor innocent girls had to suffer .
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When u find monsters free to run around do what they like no one to bother them everyone terrified of them u know the police are corrupt 💯
Well, it pays to be related to a high up cop. And I mean REALLY HIGH UP!
They are regularly incompetent and uncaring in Qld. The smaller the town, the worse the police. From what I've experienced anyways
The women weren't innocent, they were responsible
The one thing I've learned from listening to every episode of Casefile is to never hitchhike. Ever.
Especially in Australia!
70s
And a wallaby will take you straight to human remains without all that expensive training and sniffing about.
@@tessaducek5601 trust me,today is much more dangerous than the 70's.not even close.
@@jerrymarshall2095 This was in the 70s
I've learned the real evil lies in those who witness, participate, observe haneous acts on others...yet remain silent & unaffected by human suffering.
Well. you learned wrong! Nobody is responsible for the evil of others.
Spot on!!!
@@malakaikunahauif you know what someone did and don’t say anything, then you bare some responsibility for their evil. Especially if they go on to hurt other people as a result of your silence.
@@malakaikunahauthat's how I feel whenever I am accused of slaves I never owned or Indians I never killed.
What a God Forsaken hole that place must be! Justice will be served when each and everyone of them meet their maker and Im not just talking about the murderers, I include the Police and the Silent Witnesses too. 😡😡😡
Bloody disgusting that the council wouldn't support the memorial plaque.
Right?! Probably because that would have confirmed how useless and incompetent police and everyone was/is
I believe one of these pieces of filth worked for the council.
@@TeslaKuhn8they got it anyway.
Damn: there is no "domestic" that allows one beating up the other. ALWAYS call the police and stop the violence. How awfull that so many reacted doing nothing when people were screaming for help
These poor girls probably thought they had been saved sooo many times!! Horrible way to die. The lack of care by the police sounds quite suspicious
I do have to admit, there was a point in this story where I was thinking much the same thing: that such incompetence was probably deliberate to cover up police involvement
This excuse of bumbling "incompetence," when faced with crimes against women, is a suspiciously global phenomena in police departments... until you discover what type of men are at the top of the pyramid. Yes, pyramid.
I think it's because when this occurred, the early 1970's, people (including police) didn't get involved in "domestic situations" meaning domestic violence or aka "Family fights." I was a young police officer, fresh out of the Academy in very late 1980's and the very oldest of supervisors didn't think we should be involved in that. I stood up to him while on his shift because I had learned about it and knew better. Being on probation for your entire first year as an officer, you can be let go because they don't like how you shine your boots. It was terrifying to tell him "no sir, I'm not leaving this home without arresting the husband, he is the aggressor and he committed a battery. He's going to jail tonight.
The Sgt just looked at me, lit a cigarette and went and got into his car. I knew Iwas doomed. Well, I thought wrong, and it turned out that he respected my courage and he learned from that night himself. He was one of my biggest supporters until he retired.
Sorry for the long post-just wanted to share that up through the 1990's were a not great time to be a woman. Things have only really changed in the last 23 years.
@@LaLadybug2011 Thank goodness, someone who has common sense and can actually view the situation from how things were THEN, instead of how they are NOW. Police and everyday people never got involved in these incidents, if that's what they thought they were. That's why everything changed from those days to now. I know this area well and it was very isolated back then and still is now. Phones, police etc were not common in those days.
The casual misogyny of dismissing a clearly violent assault as "probably a domestic", or being too afraid of their husband to report an obvious crime to the police even when the murders were in the news, is appalling.
Those women's lives weren't worth the effort to pick up a phone.
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misogyny? OMG nobody even KNEW about those theories back in the day. You minded your own business or got shot.
Yeah that line stood out to me too. The pure absurdity of someone causally dismissing someone being afraid for there lives as “just domestic abuse” is rage inducing
“Casual misogyny”… 😂 grow up and stop using made up words.
@@VainakhQuranites both of those are real words? What are you even on about?
I dont understand how so many witnesses could not stand up for these girls by either intervening or making sure police were called straight away, especially the woman who sheltered one of the girls in her home for several minutes. And the police at the time who never took statements or even followed up on witness information. This is so disgusting, especially when we pay these forces to protect us and uphold the laws. Those poor girls were left to die at the hands of these monsters!
I remember reading about this case in the Good weekend magazine. The author believed that the reason the police didn’t take the reports seriously is because they knew these men and their families on a personal basis. That’s the dilemma of working those types of jobs in the area you live in.
So your saying? The police department should have been investigated and held accountable.
I was wondering that the whole time listening to video.
poor policework is the reason some of these monsters could terrorize the area for many years....
And guess which police officer was on duty and did nothing …. Peter Dutton!
So many opportunities to help these girls and not one did anything, unbelievable.
And the one cop who started investigating got sudden transferred
including you
These poor women begged for help from at least TEN PEOPLE who couldn't be arsed to put themselves out 😡 I can not imagine the utter despair they must have felt every time another person left them in the hands of their tormentors.
Some did call the police but they did nothing, it was never properly investigated.
Yeah, in the hands of all their Torturers . 😔 🙄💔 RIP Sweet Souls.
I'm so sorry Sweet angels that there is PURE EVIL MIXED WITH TRASH in this Beautiful world .
While you're judging everyone, what have YOU done to save anybody?
@@malakaikunahau I was a soldier defending my country. What the hell have you done apart from defending murderers and police incompetance.
@malakaikunahau I have personally called emergency services on another continent to check on someone making s*icide threats. I have done multiple wellness checks at the requests of a family friend - and was the one to find their son after he finally committed s*icide.
How about you?
honestly I hear this story and know it was very nearly my story in the 70's, when my friend and I hitch hiked all over. Foolishly thinking her mace would protect us. We were picked up by some guys with bad intent, started partying with them, when the one started to rape my friend in the back seat. We locked eyes and in our heads both prayed together with all our might. We were best friends and it was like our secret thing, in tricky situations. Their car broke down on a highway , we ran away. Miles from home, but enough traffic was around they didn't chase us. There was a gas station close by, we ran there. We were found by a grandfatherly man who offered to take us home, and chewed us out and made us promise we would never do it again. And we never did.
I did this too, at the same time, in Australia, alone and without mace which was illegal and still is...sheesh, talk about dodging bullets.
Even today, I would never hitch
wonder twin powers- activate
@@blinklost especially today
@debrastarr5083 mace can blow back into your face, making you even more of a victim. I tried it on a porch. Didn't realize we had a little breeze now and then. It went in my face. Burns your eyes and nose and makes your eyes water. Takes forever to get it out.
Those poor women. So unfair. About 10 yrs ago my teen neighbor drove up to her house blaring her horn & yelling for help. I ran outside with my gun & her dad came barreling out shooting his gun in the air. The guy chasing the girl spun around & fled in his vehicle. Turned out he was a big high school football “hero” whom the girl rejected & he apparently got pissed. He was on the run for 2 days. Then an 82 y/o guy called the cops to say someone broke in his house & the guy now needs a hearse (he must have watched Sling-blade). It was the football guy. Case closed. A POS eliminated.
It's a shame citizens must take justice into their own hands these days.its the same in America. Not expecting a quick turnaround in society 😢
Blessings from Kentucky. Stay strong and stand your ground 💪🙏❤
That's some swift justice right there 😁
We don’t carry guns thank god
@@annegiorgio5602 Then you couldn't have helped
@@eugenehong8825 but this wouldn’t have happened in the first place so your observation is incorrect and even if it did happen here who in their right mind would get involved at the risk of being shot and killed. Also I couldn’t think of anything worse than actually shooting and killing someone and running the risk of being jailed for it.
The amount of people who might have seen some of this crime is crazy. It could have been reported during the crime about 5 times. If it had been reported properly and promptly they would have at least been caught way earlier. The police in the area knew the family and the car and had heard screams! She even went to a door to get help. Then not reporting it after you know someone was killed is just so wrong. The police are also so awful here. I hope all those people who didn’t report any part of the crime in progress feel bad.
Can you imagine being so afraid of your husband that you wouldn't report witnessing a murder?
Those women's lives seemed worthless to the police and witnesses.
The police were useless. They should all be sacked.
@jturtle5318 Exactly. Must be the dark side of Australian "mateship". 😏
I hope all those who witnessed and did nothing end up in the same situation
@@brianziolkowski2300 Well.. Not a very constructive wish, but I feel your feelings!!
It's hard to imagine how every single person who came upon those poor girls and could have saved them were too cowardly to try to help. Sure those animals represented a serious threat but why didn't one of them at least have the moral fortitude to risk being hurt to save them. Was there not one hero amongst them? I'm sorry to say I was a student nurse in London around this time and as a young girl away from home I often thought I could die here and people would step over me. I never attributed this mentality to Aussies.
I very briefly worked in Sydney Hospital with Anita Cobby, and didn't know her on any personal level, yet her death remains with me today. I wonder how many times these witnesses have thought about this tragedy or looked at their own daughters and wondered what if that were our daughter?
There's no question about it... bad people can be stopped but it takes courage. Looking the other way is tantamount to condoning their behaviour.
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I agree. I will never turn my face away from any one in trouble. It could be my daughter.
I would have jump out like what are you doing to my daughter's and if my life would have been taking I would have been a hero hit them with the car or some 😢😢
Humans ARE animals. We are primates. That is not an insult. These people were monsters.
@Smorss2011 you insult animals by saying that. Animals do not rape, torture and kill each other for pleasure.
I hope Brian and Thelma feel guilt till they die. Personally I think that is unforgivable. One of the girls looked straight into their eyes and screamed for help. And they did nothing??? WTF? I felt sick when I heard that.
indeed, I understand that they were afraid for their little daughter, but it was far too late to report the incident to a police officer until the next morning. Hours had passed by then.
They had a child with them. Or you wanted that dead too. And in case you missed it there where multiple people that witnessed them and did the same thing. Some had children with them too. And called the police after , who didn't even bother too get their testimony. One woman interacted with one of the girls who ran at her house for help
@@loredanadincu4300Then ALL that lot, PLUS the police, were stupid, cowardly and negligent. 👎
One of the strongest instincts is self-preservation. Most people like to see themselves as heroes who would risk their lives to save another, but in reality it is more the exception than the rule for someone to do so.
But to go home and still not call the police or non emergency number is absolutely negligent! They are selfish people! One day they may need help & that's when karma will be waiting.
I feel so sorry for the poor parents. No help from the authorities, who appear to have been grossly incompetent to the point of malfeasance. What a nightmare those families had to live through, aside from the murder of their poor daughters.
So many witnesses! Some of them took too long to report what they saw. If everyone reported immediately maybe something would have been done, the policing too was lacking
One of the best case files I have listened to. How each of these police officers got away with such blatant neglect is beyond comprehension..never mind the perpetrators.. 😡😡
They should have lost their jobs.
And the one officer who was investigating was transferred and shut down!
A sad truth. Ridiculously shameful incompetence.
The victims and their families wouldn't say this was one of the best cases. I couldn't say that either!
Maybe you though it was the worst case?
I don't know if I will be able to continue as i obviously know the outcome.
Actually five minutes if enough!
Rest in peace dear poor ladies!
Cannot stomach this story.
Better stick to fiction. 👎
Thank goodness you're not blaming the innocent 'witnesses' like all the other narcsissists.
My own sister hitch hiked and was raped and abandoned in the bush. Thank god she was not killed. This case is so wicked and disgusting, these blokes need to be treated like this themselves and hopefully were in prison.
Sorry your sister went through that.
@@jostewart554 Thank you..
Probably.
@@Hippidippimahm Thank you, she is is a good marriage now, but if has effected her throughout her life. My parents took it all on and kept it away from us kids at the time the best they could. They have now both passed.
Another excellent telling of another horrifying case, replete with a group of sadistic, degenerate killers, and apathetic, incompetent law enforcement who ignore witnesses, fail to interview identified suspects or follow promising leads and eyewitnesses who don't contact police immediately. The authorities appeared to be clueless that they were dealing with a serial killer or killers. Absolutely appalling and inexcusable that these murders are still unsolved.
Well done research and report of a gutwrenching case.
Precisely. 💯👍
Really? I feel like not watching it now for I fear I cannot deal with the rage and frustration.
Mabey they are in on it ,makes no sence otherwise 😮😮😮
My impression is that all of the area's police were being paid off and/or intimidated by that group of thugs before the nurses were murdered.
@@ericanelson1973my thoughts exactly!!
Thank you for covering this case from my local area ,this reminds me of Anita Cobby in many ways ... The pure terror of running in a strange area at night knowing if someone finds you they will hurt you while hearing your friend scream knowing what's happening... God Bless Their Souls 🌹
It sounds like a scene from a horror movie
My local area too.. to think some of these men still walk the streets of Toowoomba.
Yeah Anita Coby. Worst most brutal case I've ever heard. Kept me awake at nights.
Rip Anita. ❤
@@SH-to8shI Thought that too…Kinda reminded me of Wolf Creek
Amen
It’s sounds like this entire town is ground zero for incompetence, especially the cops who sounded like they really didn’t care at all!
The bystander effect is very real. When in trouble, point and tell someone to call the cops. In this case, yell, "You or Each person or Everyone or Everybody call 911 together" and issue a declaration "I will die if YOU don't help"
These girls deserve justice for what happened to them. And for those who have kept quiet about the perpetrators - you're all a bunch of COWARDS!!
And the person whose name was given to police, repeatedly, and by HEAPS of people, who was considered as a very viable suspect, with his brothers and cousins? Well, he wasn't even looked at, because his brother was very, very high up in the QLD police force. So whenever he was mentioned, or someone wanted to investigate this man or his relatives, it was IMMEDIATELY shut down, with threats of violence and loss of jobs in the police force.
Queensland - The best police force that money can buy!
So many similar cases,disgusting what gets covered up & ignored to protect the people that are supposed to protect & serve the public
The 80s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
This was 1974.
@@dougtaylor2803 aight...
The 70s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
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‘’It was probably just….” is how a denial is stated…person blowing off the possibility someone might need help, might cause another person some inconvenience. In my opinion, the indifference and cowardice of much of the “general public” are as bad as the actions of criminals. More scary because you don’t expect much humanity from rapists and killers, but you always want to think your neighbors care. Good luck with that.
Agreed, the ignorance of people failed them. And the mindset of 'oh I will report to the police if I hear something in the news'. FFS, if you hear in the news that means tragic already happen 🤦
Apathy is an epidemic, well pandemic, and a generational one. It is the opposite of love, not hate, and causes so much damage worldwide.
"as bad as the actions of criminals"...you may want to think about that one.
@@dougtaylor2803ok I thought about it. Yep I agree it's as bad.
The failure to do something, makes a person compliant to the crime being committed. ( getting to a safe location and immediately report to police was the minimum they could have done).
Remember this. If your driving the get away car. And your friend shoots & kills someone. Your an accomplice in the crime. And should be held accountable in the murder.
The lessor of 2 evils is still EVIL!
@@AngelMGordon Reminds me of this line from Boondock Saints: “We must all fear evil men, but there is a different kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
Jeezz as an Aussie living within an hour of most of these places, I am shocked at the mistakes, and blind eyes turned over and over again..
My condolences to all the families. At least hitch-hiking deaths haven't happened for a very long time since this era.
Beautiful production yet again casefile ❤
Less hitchhike these days
Shorty was so crazy that he bellowed like a cow but yet he knew enough to hire a lawyer? The couple that drove by with the small child and saw the abduction going on they should have forced the issue with the police. They should have made that phone call along the way they might have saved the lives of these two nurses.
So many could have saved these nurses & no one could be bothered ..
No one had mobile phones back in the 70’s so a silly comment. Also, it’s one thing to go and help people in distress in broad daylight in an urban area and only one possible assailant, it’s quite another to be out at night in a remote wooded area faced with several possibly violent men doing harm, and also having your childs’ safety to think of. Honestly, we would all love to think we would assist in such cases, the reality is you have to weigh up whether you will be harmed too, a fight or flight kicks in and I am pretty sure those people lived with guilt for the rest of their lives.
@@JayneMcDonough-b3d .." along the way" is referring to they could have stopped at the pay phone mentioned along the way but they didn't stop to use it because they thought the men would ride by and see them on the payphone.
@@JayneMcDonough-b3d Thank you for being SANE!
@@LaLadybug2011 How many phone boxes do you think were in this very remote area back in the 70s? NONE would be the answer.
Officer Hamilton made an effort, Norma wanted to: but her husband felt women being mistreated in 'just a domestic' was acceptable behavior.
And denying a memorial placque is not going to wipe the slate clean...the truth will find a way to come out. This podcast proves my point.
It's too bad some men were raised to believe women and children should be seen and not heard. Very 😢
I was born in Toowoomba October 6th 18 years after the murders. I've been a local all my life, how have not heard about this case?
These poor nurses were failed by not only the public, but the Queensland police numerous times. I've never been more frustrated listening to a true crime story than this one. Why did no one help these girls?? It hits close to home. Wow... just wow.
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I agree with everything you feel and say.
I didn’t sense that I was listening to details of a crime spanning decades that occurred in a civilized country. Nearly everyone involved behaved like lunatics.
I came from a country town close to Toowoomba, We knew to never go anywhere near the family or be caught on your own. Your assumption of lawless lunatics is quiet correct.
@@deadlyqueensif your regionally local. I have a question. What connections between the police and the 2 main family's ? Is Someone a powerful politician? Is other illegal activities associated with those involved that might have been paying police off?
@@AngelMGordon on several posts in this comment section it says one of those involved had a brother "way, way way high up" in the local police force. I am an American so have no idea if that is a fact but it is stated multiple times in the comments/replies to comments.
Have you checked out the world lately?
@@AngelMGordonthe police used to be a corrupt boys club
The incompetence by the police is absolutely disgusting and something should be done with them and all those disregarded witnesses who tried to report what they saw and were ignored by police it makes my blood boil. This is my first time watching one of your videos and I enjoyed it and all your hard work. Liked n' Subscribed. Cheers
"They stumbled into this putrid pool of miscreants." Eloquently said and accurate.
i must say i have loved true crime for over 20 years now . and your channel is the best ive listened to ever . you put so much effort and detail into the storys you do . i love it , so a big thank you
I hope every last person that didn't report what they saw get a dose of it themselves and no one helps them
This is why I carry... You can't rely on others to help you
All the leads given to the police, and they did not one thing, with the info. What despicable insults to their profession.
How can someone witness a crime & not immediately report it to law enforcement?
I don’t get it. That’s being complicit IMHO. You see girls struggling with men while screaming for help & do nothing?!
Especially parents with daughters. That could be your girl one day & how would you feel if someone saw her being attacked & just left then stayed silent. It’s mind boggling.
To all those that don’t come forward - just know that Karma is a b!tch & you’ll pay for your complicity one way or another.
Some would think it is likely a case of husband and wife arguing or boyfriend and girlfriend and do not want to interfere. Some people overreact to situations. I have seen young children crying in the presence of an adult-I presume the adult is a parent or guardian so I do not intervene and ask the nature of the relationship.
Domestic violence is a thing. People die from it & it’s illegal so I don’t care if the person who’s being attacked is in a relationship with the attacker. You call the police! And it’s better to overreact than sit by twiddling your thumbs while someone is being assaulted & murdered.
And little kids throwing a tantrum when they don’t get their way is completely different than a teen or young adult screaming for help. Your comparing apples to ostriches & if you can’t see the difference I pity you.
Thank you so much for shining light on a very dark stain on Toowoomba.
I was young when those poor girls where found and their terrible demise was related to us young girls not to hitchhike🥺
A culture where violence was excepted as normal has no place in our society.
Thank God attitudes have shifted. To late for Lorraine and Wendy sadly😢
WTF is it with all the people who saw women clearly needing help, who screamed for help, and they did nothing?! Then we have the police who were totally uninterested in hearing of these things. What the hell is up with that? It makes me want to never go to Australia, where God forbid if I ever needed help, I wouldn't get it. Especially the men who didn't want to get involved. Sickening. What i must have been like, to be those women, pleading for help and getting none.
A women was raped on a train full of people in New York in 2021 and no one did anything except record with their phones. So should I avoid America?
Some misogyny issues in that part of town for sure
@@kanivaoh1915 Oh no a feminist.
I know people back then seemed to not give a shit about domestic violence but HOW was the situation they came across just 'a lovers tiff' the women were screaming for help, they looked right in someone's face and asked for help!! Idk if you have your kids in the car, roll down the window a little bit and yell, honk the horn, make a note of the licence plates idk just try something 😢
What if they have a gun?
So 3or 4 car loads of criminals rape and murder 2 women with multiple witnesses and police actually notified of the crime as it is happening. Several perpetrators brag openly for years and it still took this long to catch them. The complete incompetence makes the keystone cops look like absolute super geniuses. The officers involved should actually have to pay back all the pay they received over their entire law enforcement careers. And face criminal prosecution
I'm as frustrated with the witnesses as everybody else BUT.... what about the complete constant balls up from the police department? They are useless. One detective that takes it seriously gets transferred somewhere else. WTF? The police department are to blame for the scumbags getting away with crime after crime which include murder and rape. Why weren't they held accountable?😡
The police deliberately let the evil ones off the hook because the police couldn't possibly be that messed up. They let that straggler go home because he was upset to be questioned and he lawyered up! OMG! 😢
They rarely are.
Bystander Syndrom is a SERIOUS problem all around the world. People can be really selfish... If You see something SAY SOMETHING! You could save a life!
Maybe you could save your OWN life if you don't help, ever thought of that?
@@malakaikunahau Just because you don’t jump in and help in the moment doesn’t mean you should just go home, crack open a beer and forget the whole thing. What kind of a person are you?
@@malakaikunahau Are you related to the killers?
When will the senseless killing of women and children stop? So sad to listen to this story especially if someone could’ve done something to help
So just women and children get murdered not men? I hope your not implying that only men are capable of evil because plenty of cases of women murdering their children.
It will stop when women take their safety serious and stop hitchhiking and waking home late at night. Carelessness leads to their death everytime
@@apippin774 Every time?
@@apippin774oh yeah, it will stop when women stop living their lives and start cowering because of men! That’s a great solution!
ALWAYS REMEMBER, YOU ARE YOUR OWN 1ST RESPONDER! Obviously, these ladies were on their own with so many cowards & do-nothings seeing all of this taking place & didn't even bother to make a phone call! How unthinkable that so many people couldn't be bothered to help screaming females in obvious distress begging for help! And the police response was, to put it nicely, beyond pathetic! Unbelievable on so many levels!
Till today, Australia is exactly the same.
It's so painful to listen past the point where that couple saw the girl scream for help and continue to drive past, then didn't even bother calling the police until the next morning. It's almost too much to take. The anguish I feel from that is excruciating
Note to self: Don't ever go to Australia! As no one will help you if something happens to you. Nice people down under.
Things are a little more advanced than in 1974.
These men were known
From Toowoomba to Goondiwindi and most were
Terrified of them. Because they
were mad
@@deadlyqueensNo excuses please! 🤦♀️
Australia is still a very dangerous place. Many people vanish there yearly, serial-killer cases from time to time. Another problem is that the Communist regime institutionalised took the guns from the citizens. You don't have the right to defend yourself and the laws are hyperlenient. It is no good place for vacation or to live.
Australia is immeasurably safer than the USA... There are more murders in Atlanta Georgia every year than the entire nation of Australia..
Yeah judge a whole country based on one small rural town. What about that woman who was raped on a train full of people in America and no one did anything?
What is wrong with Aussies. They make Newyorkers seem helpful!
Just ignore the assualt and keep driving. Not our problems.
Can't even start with how completely incompetent authorities were.
Australia is heaven compared to New York, get over yourself!
@@bearcatracing007
Get over myself?
That is not even relevant .. 🤣
You have to be Australian!
@@tessaducek5601 They are Aussie, from N. Queensland, Australia.
I was married in 74 and an Aussie but have never heard of this case 😢so many mistakes and uncaring attitudes. 😮
Why didn't the police just sound their siren that windy night. Surely, that would have frightened them off.
Exactly my thoughts
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Or "Evil prevails, when good people stand's idle"
“We must all fear evil men, but there is a different kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
One of my favourite true crime UA-cam channels. Thanks for the upload.
Door handle, window winders missing, an ugly trap.
Back then in SA a friend & myself got interested back of a car, wanting a ride to the hosp, as it was raining.
We told the driver, turn here but kept going, we were 5 min down the road, after punching, hitting the driver & his mate, that did nothing, the guy in the back said, let them go, car kept speeding, I said to the other girl we have to jump, I was in the middle, reached over grabbed the door handle , yanked it off in my haste& out we jumped, I being 14, other person 17, no injuries, what they would have done would be far worse than any injury from leaping out of the car.
What a tragic story full of fumbles. I've heard that Qld is dangerous to travel in the remote areas. How sad that justice was never really dealt out.
I've never found that. I've travelled throughout every part of Qld & never had a problem, even sleeping out under the stars beside my car. Driving on crap roads or encountering deadly critters are more likely to be problems than someone with bad intent. I have to agree that it's infuriating that these women, other victims & their families never saw justice.
@TutuFerret I got that information off a documentary a while back about an English couple. I think the boyfriend was murdered. Sorry, I can't remember the entire story.
@@regine3147 That sounds like Peter Falconio/Joanne Lees. That was a crazy case, and very unusual. That was in the NT - I've travelled through there as well & slept in the car near where it happened. I think the fact that parts of this country can be very dangerous if you're not prepared means you do what you can to prepare to survive all kids of danger. There are usually plenty of other tourists or road trains around. There's not a lot of phone reception but I listen to truckies on the UHF & they report issues on the road & I'd call them for help if necessary. People are usually friendly and ready to help out, but I rely heavily on instinct & if something feels wrong I steer clear. I love the outback and the desert & can't wait for my next trip in September. My 80yo mum's coming this time so it will be motels, not sleeping rough. :) I really do love this country so I can get a bit defensive.
@@TutuFerret no worries. Living in the city is not necessarily safer 😀. Enjoy your next trip.
There are definitely areas of QLD where you don't stop especially at night.
The shocking level of police incompetence lead me to keep thinking some police involvement must be the case. It wouldn’t surprise if this ultimately turned out to be the case. You just can’t be that ineffective without deliberate intention.
That makes me sad about the plaque. That would've at least given something - as Eric stated. Anyway, as always, thanks for the hard work you put into these cases.
Police didn't want to be reminded of their extreme incompetence.
great coverage of this case...and the police omg omg ..they are a disaster, basically they are all guily for their ignorance, what if it had been their daughters its tragic it really is xxx
As I listen more and more the police are pissing me off,..not doing their job
So many witnesses to the crime in progress yet none raised a finger to help. You truly are alone in this world.
Sad but true 😢
To me that is unforgivable
No. Ruger is with me
They got into a car with 4 blokes.
I read about this years ago the blokes were known as the Town bullies.
They sexually assaulted many women in the town. And everyone were frightened of them. Hence why nobody came forward. After the terrible deaths of these two women.
The leader of the group of bullies died in a car accident. And they did bring the friends of these guys to court. Years after the crime.
When I read this story in the paper in 2012 13. I felt physically sick. That so many people drove along the road and came upon them with these guys.
And the police. Attitude. Towards these girls. Just no excuse. For the way the police acted.
The local hunters should have grouped to hunt prey, Town Bullies prey.
@@amerocker Agreed
I did not know there was a YT channel for Casefile.
This case is heartbreaking
Are Australian police really this incompetent? Mind-blowing
Yeah unfortunately they are😂
They sure can be unfortunately.
Yes 💯
The police were obviously covering this up.. they should have been charged
I’ve heard so many stories about things like this where the Australian police seem to do literally nothing (or even worse - cover things up), that it makes me think it isn’t only the wildlife in Australia that are out to get you.
I can understand women with small children in the car not wanting to confront these men but the apathy of that one husband burns me.
Sounds like the men in this country need to grow some balls. 3 or 4 different times these women could've been saved
I hope you're subscribers increase 10 fold you do a great job. These issues and cases can be very hard to listen to but you make it easier. Thank you much appreciated. 💯👍🇺🇸
I couldn't believe how many people witnessed things and I was in disbelief at the girl that escaped the kidnappers, and made it to the couple's home and went back out to save her friend. She would've had a lot better chance calling the police and waiting, instead she got killed along with her friend. That blew my mind.
Unpopular opinion: everyone wants to talk about and condemn the many witnesses, but nobody wants to talk about how Lorraine ignored her friend's pleas not to go and threatened to leave her there by herself if she chose not to go. Listen to your gut ladies.
I also love how Americans are being quick to judge Australia based on one small rural town, when a women was raped on a train full of people in New York in 2021 and no one did anything except record with their phones.
The same in the Colleen Stan case,everyone telling her not to hitchhike & she was totally defiant she was going to which lead to an horrendous living hell for over 7 yr's,it's one of Casefile's stories if you haven't got round to listening to it,a hard listen it's so sad & disturbing by a very sick f@#k
It was the 70's and a different time. Hitchhiking was popular back then, which is why so many people fell victim to serial killers.
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What a tragic case! Imagine, how much good those bright young women had to give to society..
But no. Very sad and tragic.
P.S.: Love your accent! Greetings from Germany 🌻
Edit: My God! Imagine, the glimpse of Hope those poor women must have felt, as the car came along and stopped (or at least slowed down) They surely hoped, that help was on the way - they even made eye-contact! And noone came. To hope and then to realise, that this small silver lining just faded away must be heartbreaking.
Oh, and this "Shorty"- Guy that was in "distress" bc of the interrogation??
Yep. Completely believable! 🙄
I'm sure, those poor Nurses weren't in "Distress" - no, they felt "Todesangst!"
I was only a very little girl, but knew to be terrified of these men.
A suspicious car with no door or window handles in back and they didn’t pursue this? !
That didn't send up a red flag as nefarious? Wthell!
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How sad that all those people could have saved the girls and what a disgrace that they did nothing, not even the police cared to get involved.
Just like in the Chinese bbq attack recently, women who wanted to intervene were told by their husbands and boyfriends not to get involved.
Some men don't want to challenge the right of other men to attack women in public
Someone attacked a Chinese BBQ?
My first crime podcast channel and still my fav. The voice 😍😍 the content ❤️❤️ the way it is presented ❤️❤️
LOL all you gotta do to avoid an interview with the cops is just freak out and scream like a baby? just lock him in the room for a few hours and hell tire himself out eventually.......... or dont.
I would have said a murder scene, not a burial site
Same here
Dump site.
Do they have evidence of the murder occurring there?
@@annabellelee4535 not sure
The absolute cowardice of people is staggering.
A nation of fake tough guys... and psychos.
@DinoCism well we do try to be like America sooo....
@@bearcatracing007uh no nothing like us. We didn’t have concentration camps during the plandemic
It does seem like the police knew these families and their criminal capabilities and turned a blind eye.
Yes the girls put themselves in danger but no excuse for the police not to be more proactive with information.
RIP girls.
What a bunch of useless people. Those poor girls where let down by every one. If the cops new these two had a car equipped out for abducting women why didn't they do something immediately?
Unbelievable. Wow.
So many people.... each actively chose to not do a damn thing to help these girls....
Damn unbelievable.
Stunning return to form for the Casefile team.
The family needs take legal action
The moral of the story is "don't hitchhike". Spare us the ghetto lottery.
Absolutely well-done! The narration, the musical pieces, and the viewing on screen. Great.
The incompetence and misogyny of Queensland Police in the 70s is legendary even across the Tasman Sea in New Zealand.
I hope that couple dream of those girls every night of the rest of their lives. I cannot imagine how horrific it would have been, to think that the girls would have PRAYED that the couple would at the very least call the police when they got home. This was heartbreaking 😢
How many times did the nurses tried get away...😱🤬
Thank you for the warnings, and for posting helpful information. It makes a difference and who knows, it might help someone.
Well: obviously for quite a while in Queensland, Australia: there were a lot of cops who simply didn't CARE what happened to young women who went out hitchhiking; and there were obviously a lot of members of the public who sadly felt the same. 😏
And there were these antisocial families or "clans" in certain neighbourhoods, who the police obviously didn't feel the need to investigate to put a stop to their surely many criminal and antisocial activities. 👎
Australia in the 1970s sounds worse than the American Wild West, in many respects. At least in the Wild West, if you did stuff like that, they'd send US Marshals and/or bounty hunters after you. 😏
Sounds like you are forgetting about Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Green River Killer, Charles Manson and his group, etc. The US wins hands down when it comes to serial and mass murderers. Not something to be proud of. 🇨🇦
Tragic. Thank you Casefile Presents for another excellent story.
I love this podcast. You deserve a million views! You'll get there though.
I have listened to so many of these case files. I am so confused and disappointed at how these murders are not treated with seriousness. If someone mentions they murdered someone, don't just brush it off. If you see someone being kidnapped don't just assume their fine. These are infuriating and don't get me started on police and investigators.
I have often thought that Australians were very like Texans. I now think I have been wrong. No Texan, man or woman, would have behaved as those Australian witnesses. May God have mercy.
Facts 🙌🏻
Very professional and throurough treatment of this case. Such a lot of work! Brilliantly done!
Casefile never lets us down ❤
Wow I feel so much anger towards the pathetic so called men that I vow to never ever stay silent if I ever witnessed such an event . Disgusting .