20 Things You Didn't Know About Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan (1982) Part 2
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- Everything you need to know about the making of Star Trek's most critically acclaimed film.
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We met Walter several times when I was growing up. He loves telling fans in “Space Seed” Chekov was “holding up the toilet” when Khan had to go. Khan told him, “You. I will never forget your face.”
Koenig is a great guy and super gracious. DeForest Kelley, Takei, and Majel Barrett were amazing and lovely too. ❤️
Grateful to have been raised in a Trekkie home. 🖖🏼
Jealous
It's always good to hear that actors you admire and respect are down to earth in real life. I would love to meet Walter Koenig. I did meet John de Lancie once, he was very nice.
@@e.b.1728 That’s awesome!!! When I was girl, I LOVED him as Eugene in “Days of Our Lives.” He seems super awesome. ❤️ I’m so glad for you!!
I wish that I would have remembered that quote when I saw him on an airplane about 20 years ago!
Koenig told that same story at the first convention I ever went to in 1984.
I always like to think that Checkov was onboard the enterprise at the time of Space Seed but we didn't see him
Same here
Must have been doing rotation shift work in the lower decks, until people noticed he was way overqualified.
💯 I come to the movies to relax and forget.
That optical printer that the proto Pixar group at Lucasfilm where charged with creating is basically the most important invention in the film industry since Color.
It was to be assumed that since the Enterprise was already on it's FIVE YEAR MISSION when dealing with Kahn, Chekov 'was' already a crew member of The Enterprise. Chekov just was not a senior officer serving on the bridge yet. And Kahn only recognized Chekov's face from memorizing the Enterprise's data logs and crew manifest.
Koenig had a joke at conventions that Chekov working on the lower decks of the Enterprise took his sweet time in a bathroom stall one day without realizing that Khan was impatiently waiting outside with a digestive emergency brought on by his heightened, augmented metabolism leading him to suffer an embarrassing accident. Upon Chekov exiting the stall Khan locked eyes as he shoved passed him declaring: 'I NEVER forget a face!"
@@copaceticetal love it!!
@@copaceticetal Past.
@@DMSProduktions Productions.
@@FireWizzrobe NICE try!
Gene Roddenberry leaking the script is absolutely hilarious
So like him.
No one is more petty than Roddenberry
Very bitter man, and a bit of a cock
L. Ron Hubbard told him to do it.
Yea, it’s really popular to hate Roddenberry these days - guys dead, can’t defend himself anymore
Leaking the script is Classic Roddenberry - he was protecting his baby - pissed that he had lost creative control and not liking the more militaristic take and the death of Spock
Take it for what it is
I'm impressed. I'm pretty steeped in Star Trek history, but there were several things in these two videos that I truly did not know. Well done!
I always assumed the young man who was uncredited was Khan’s son. Thus the ‘I shall avenge you’ & the way he holds him when he kicks the bucket.
Regarding the design of the Reliant, it is also interesting to note that in the original concept drawing, the ship’s nacelles where intended to be above the saucer section, not below. When the drawing ended up on someone’s desk for review (can’t remember who), this person was looking at this drawing from a short distance, but the drawing was upside down. They liked it and went ahead with it.
The same was true for the Constitution-class starships. The Enterprise on the original series was almost nacelles and saucer facing down with the engineering section sticking up.
I always thought Joaquin was Khan's offspring of sorts. He did not much cared for the other augments under his command but him. And the relationship is quite different from the others as well.
Joaquin is believed to be the son of his friend from the Space Seed Episode. The big dark haired guy who slaps Uhura... He was going to pay for it if Khan hadn't stopped him from slapping her again. She was coming up at him with those talons out.
@@McMahonHater Khan's "henchman" in Space Seed was named Joaquin. Judson Scott's character is named Joachim, which Khan pronounces as Yo-Akeem.
Judson Scott was far too old to have been Khan's son by Marla, as only 15 in-universe years had passed between Space Seed and the movie.
Khan does promise to avenge him. The only other person he seemed to care as much for was Marla.
05:09 Sulu was not in that particular episode, either. It never occurred to ANYONE that Uhura could have given a 'Ceti Eel scream' better than even Chekov (she was in both the season and the particular episode, FTR).
Would totally LOVE to see Uhura in that movie to have actually something interesting to do.
She would be awesome as the one encountering Khan.
How true.
I don't know, Checkov is an excellent screamer. See "Mirror, Mirror", and I think the episode where everyone but Checkov gets an aging disease. And when he touches the flower on Eden in 'The Way to Eden". He's great at this.
I think it's stupid to say Chekov never met Kahn. We don't see every single moment of a character's life. It's plausible that Chekov had a lower position before becoming a bridge officer.
There were 400 people on that ship, after all.
@@cdbutler1204 And everyone who sat on that seat before him died.
It doesn't even require a promotion. He could still have been an ensign, just his duty station was not as a helmsman.
this ^^. Every time somebody says "Chekov wasn't in S1" I chuckle and ask for the entire crew manifest. That of course gets people pondering...
Sadly you often have to spoon feed them and remind them that there are far more people in his department who _don't_ work on the bridge than those who do before they catch on that he may indeed have met Khan, just not on screen. Indeed, since he would have been a very junior officer at the time, he may have been one of the people assigned to babysit the guests, so they may remember him even more than Kirk.
It is a movie, nobody cares
I'm surprised they didn't mention that the cadet that Scotty brings to the bridge and later dies in sickbay is actually his nephew and that all lines explaining that were cut from most versions of the film.
It was a clumsy and badly-staged and -acted couple of scenes. it was rightfully removed.
@@eddieegan9887 True about the only thing it added was the reason Scotty was so upset about the death but for a 2 part Things You Didn't Know video I would of thought it would of been in there.
And Savik's/Kristy's gasp at seeing Scotty holding his nephew.
Very true.
Nimoy and Sgatner both wanted that scene cut along with Savik crying when Spock’s casket was shot out of Enterprise which REALLY should have been cut because it conflicted completely with what the audiences had been told about Vulcans since the original tv series.
The child at the genesis device would have shown the audience that kahn was so hellbent on revenge that he was willing to sacrifice his own kid.
The child is also a Genesis Device. It is how you can make a new world. But, like you said, Khan was so stuck in the past, he would sacrifice the future for it.
It would have been an interesting contrast to the subplot, that of Kirks son David, for sure.
Maybe if they expanded it more, maybe give Kahn another monologue about how after his wife died he was left to care for his child hoping that it would fill the hole in his heart that his wife left behind but after years of trying he knew that the only thing that could fill it was his need to get revenge on Kirk
I don't like it personally. Too disturbing the thought of watching a child smiling up at the lights of an about-to-detonate genesis torpedo 😬
Bit dark though. Glad they cut it
WOW Almost 40 years ago ? Seems just like yesterday to me . I Loved it !
Right?!?!?
I can still watch the movie years later and enjoy it, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize the passage of time. I was literally a scared little kid at the thought of one of those ear worms going into Captain Kirk's ear. I literally started bawling at the thought in the theater as I watched the movie. I was 7 at the time.
@@joelellis7035 I was 27 years old then .
@@joelellis7035 We’re the same age!
I didn’t get to watch it in theaters, but in my dads air force base rec room, they had HBO, and I saw it there... shame I didn’t get to see it wide screen, but loved the show.
Check out the woman behind the camera at 1:01. That's Catherine Coulson, aka The Log Lady. She learned how to be a camera op on "Eraserhead" and was the first woman to hold the Assistant Camera position on big-budget film in the U.S.
I love the concept art for the captains chair in Wrath of Kahn, that big barco lounger idea that you're the captain you should be infinitely comfortable is a great motivator to ascend to the captaincy.
That concept was drawn by Minor for the Star Trek II TV series (what people erroneously call Phase II) back in 1977, not for TWOK.
If you are using the fictional star date timeline rather than air date, Chekov's character appears before Space Seed. The random nature of star dates was noticed early on, with four episodes having an unknown star date. Even in a single episode, star date progressions didn't align very well with customary Earth calendars.
Star date changed based on which star they were near at the time. (Just an idea). That would explain the random star dates.
I’d heard that the Reliant was originally was supposed to be the same class as the Ebterprise, but not an “older version” of the same class (I.e. a TOS looking Enterprise), so it was metaphorically a battle of old Trek vs new Trek.
they only changed because they thought viewers would get confused.
@@gbonkers666 which was a good decision for clarity, but it’s sad the metaphor went out the window.
I love the fact that Walter Koenig intentionally kept his mouth shut about Chekov never having met Khan 👍🏼
Paramount: "Sorry, guys, we just didn't make any money at all... nope... not at all..."
Shatner: "You know, I'm sure Ricardo still has some of those brain eels around..."
Paramount: "Haha... those aren't real... are they?"
Roddenberry: "Very real."
Paramount: "We'll... send you a check."
"They grow into madness, including death!"
Khan talking about the "brain eels." :)
the old studio BS .... oh the film has not made a profit is well known, more than one TV show or Movie has had the same thing claimed about it. even though it is repeated sent to video dvd blueray etc etc year after year. Sony is another company that is known for fudging the books and have been taken to court the old Sony trick is ok we have you on an exclusive contract to work for us, you are arguing about money sure go sit at home we will call you when we need you, more than one star sat at home unable to do anything until the contract they were locked into ran out and could leave. some stars even took them to court to get the contracts broken by a judge... and yes they won
Roddenberry was no saint about hiding profits. He did that with the Original Series, to avoid paying $$$$$$ to his first wife after their divorce (the one he divorced so he could marry Majel).
This was great! Hopefully you all do a "20 things" on my favorite Trek film, The Undiscovered Country. ♥
Coming up on 40 years since it’s release! I remember seeing it at Mohawk Mall in Schenectady, NY & crying when Spock died. Damn I’m getting old
I still cry when Spock dies. Every time. Even if I'm about to watch Search for Spock right after.
Me too. Still my favorite trek movie.
I'm in the Stockade.
@@sparkygump that’s a beautiful area or at least it was when I moved to SC in 2000. Yeah Schenectady will always be home 💜
@@wesmantooth5908 I think it has improved. I moved back here a few years ago and find the downtown area is much more vibrant.
Love it. Especially the pixar fact and the talc badness. Creepy on the child one though. Glad they cut that.
6:25
LOL if Sulu got the ear worm instead.
"Hellooooooo!"
I'm so shocked, shocked I tell you, that the studio would try and screw people out of money
LOL!
Creative accounting is a favorite Hollywood past time
I never knew about the baby subplot. Amazing!
Wow, what timing. i just watched part one and you literally drop part two 45 minutes ago. Its gonna be a good day Tater.
The Ferengi run Hollywood, apparently.
Dave Messer: Ferengi Rule of Aquisition #1: Once you have their money, you never give it back.
Your theory seems correct. 😉
LOL!
study the lantern corps.....
Rage, Fear, Greed and Death all feed off of and into one another, until the cycle is broken we're screwed......
rage caused fear, fear of loss leads to more greed, actual loss leads to rage which in turn can lead to death in the conflicts that erupt....
the ferengi might be a part of it, but they aren't the prime drivers of greed....
👿
Yep, the Ferengi were based on Hollywood types, including Gene himself. You've heard about the lyrics to the Star Trek theme song that Roddenberry wrote to get half the royalties.
quiet HhyooMaan!
Movie studios still probably continue to skim money from their rightful owners. Maybe there should be an independent auditing process for every movie to ensure fairness.
Kahn's baby girl didn't die. she actually did Star Trek: Renegades with Chekov, his granddaughter and Tuvok!
Typo at 6:21 : "I can give a good Ceti Eel cream." I think I'll just try to forget this one...
Great video.....I always wondered why Judson Scott was never credited. Now I know.
It's been a very long time since I read the Vonda McIntire novelization, but my recollection was that Joachim was named as Khan's son in the book, and I don't recall a mysterious child in that version of the story.
In Vonda McIntyre's magnificent book, there WAS a baby among the Ceti Alpha V survivors. He is seen only when Terrell and Chekov first enter the cargo carrier that was the "home" of Khan and his people. The baby is never mentioned again in the novelization. Apparently, they filmed a young child in the Reliant transporter room, watching as the Genesis torpedo was armed. The footage was never used, but there are photo stills.
If Joachim was Khan’s son by Marla McGivers, he would have been no older than 15 at the time ST2 took place. Judson Scott looks far older than that. He could have been Khan’s son from another woman and been one of the crew revived from suspended animation in the original ‘Space Seed’. (Additional note: Khan calls one of his crewmen by name in the original episode-‘Joachin’ but the spelling is slightly different and he was considerably older than Jud Scott. Plus, they look nothing alike).
@@Cydonia2020 there is a great book by Greg Cox called "To Reign In Hell" that covers Khan's 15 year exile. Consider it carbon or not, but the author explains Khan's youthful followers as second generation supermen and superwomen, children of the original 72 survivors. Their souped up DNA made them mature much quicker than normal, so that's why those 15 and 14 year olds we see in the movie appear to be in their 20s. Joachim, in the movie, was the son of Khan's henchman Joaquin from the TV show. Joaquin was killed by rebellious supermen in the novel.
@@christopherjaskowiak9327 "...carbon..." CANON ~?
@@bonghunezhou5051 that's autocorrect at work.
Chekov's earliest episode -- going by stardate -- was "Catspaw" [3018.2], whereas "Space Seed" happens on stardate 3141.9, which was 123.7 stardate units LATER. Since 1,000 stardate units equals 1 Earth-year, that means Chekov was on the Enterprise at least 0.1237 Earth-years -- or 45 days + 4 hours + 19 minutes 52 seconds -- before they discovered the BOTANY BAY.
It ain't a mistake if you put the episodes into stardate order.
I have a better explanation for how Khan knew Pavel Chekov’s face. In the sickbay, Khan had full access to StarFleet “tapes” and a viewer and being Super Human, with a superior intellect and a photographic memory. He scanned the personnel records of all Star Fleet personnel and cadets! There he found the records of a young Pavel Chekov and a photo of his face!
Exactly.
*I have to admit, I never expected you to expose the fact the 1978 iridescent Paint work on the Enterprise Refit Model was completely destroyed by ILM for ST TWOK, that is an extremely rarely known fact, only known within the studio scale model miniature collectors industry and Refit superfan Pro model makers.*
The Aztec scheme was amazing. I wish I had the patience to build a large scale model with it.
1:20 The fake scene descriptions with Spock made me chickle.
Excellent job on both parts TrekCulture - Well done!
So it sounds like Paramount Pictures repeatedly tried to steal money from their talent. Wow, big surprise there, not.
Not unlike every other movie production company in Hollywood.
@@Cydonia2020 Studios ripping off people is a common practice, and not one should ever be trusted.
Didn't you know that Star Trek is the famous financial black hole in the entertainment industry? (LOL)
Oh Yeah they are pro's at it.
Typical scum bags trying to weasel out of paying their employees!
If Scotty's nephew was given starting credit, then the Phoenix deserved to be there too. Personally, I think only Khan and the regular cast deserve start credit.
Just because Checkov wasn't shown in the first season, doesn't mean he wasn't on the Enterprise then. Presumably, he was there, and was later promoted to "day" shift helmsman. Maybe he was on the swing shift in the same role. I don't remember anyone saying to him, welcome aboard the Enterprise, Mr Chekov.
Maybe he was on the lower decks back then.
If you think about it the Enterprise was close to if not a top of the line ship so it wouldn't make sense for someone fresh out of the academy to be at a major station like navigation. It's far more likely he happened to be stationed on the ship, possibly when it launched with Kirk, and he showed dedication and talent over the first year so he earned the position of primary navigator despite still being an ensign
Thanks for the shout out to "V: The Series" and "The Colbys"!
The conversation in "Vulcan" took place at 27mins 40secs into the movie fyi
They used to cut it in the TV edit which I grew up with, so I was taken by surprise when I finally got TWoK on DVD.
Paramount: “Well, we didn’t make any profits, so we can’t give out residuals.”
Cast and producers: “KHANNNNNNNNN!”
Hollywood accounting strikes again! Just ask Peter Mayhew and David Prowse.
More like, "You KAAAAAAAHHNNNN't do that!"
@@joelellis7035 sadly we can't ask them anymore.....oh too soon? sorry
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lol
5) A decision Koenig later regretted....in his own words, "never let [Trek producers] know you can scream"
If he hadn't been so good at screaming, there are scenes and entire episodes he wouldn't have been in.
I wrote a fanfic one time in which Chekov is asked by an alien what his function is on the Enterprise.
Chekov's reply: "I scream, sir."
My favorite Star Trek film! I Khansider myself a big movie trekkie!
What I want to know is, what is "Ceti eel cream" and does it clear up troublesome wax blockage? 🤔
You ever have an egg cream? It's like that but with more eels. The English love it.
@@iandowall153 Which is why the Hovercraft Division of the Hungarian Tourist Bureau has made it a centrepiece of onboard catering, as their main market presence seems to be with the brits.
The child! I had no idea. Glad they cut it as made no sense at all. Thank you Gene🖖
If it was made today they would so keep that in. Glad it was made in the 80's.
I remember sitting in line at the drive-in for 6 hours just to get in to see this movie on opening day
Great work! Things I actually didn't know. Very informative.
Loved this. Do this for the other movies, too.
The Wrath of Khan...
magnificent 🤩😍😁
Great video, I would love to see you do a ‘20 Things’ video for the rest of the ‘mini trilogy’ of Search for Spock and especially The Voyage Home. Keep up the good work!
Yes agreed, please do
RE: Leaks. I still remember reading in, I believe, The National Enquirer, that Enterprise was going to be destroyed in the "upcoming" new movie. It detailed the captain's orders, explosions on the bridge killing Spock and others, and the captain's orders to abandon ship. I went to the theater expecting to see all this -- just not so soon. It was the Kobayashi Maru simulation. I wonder if this was Roddenberry's leak.
"If you have a percentage of profits, there won't be any." - ancient Hollywood accounting proverb
So, hollywood hired ferengis for acounting.
Grear video. May I suggest for your next revision of this video to please include James Horner's cameo as an engine room crew men? He is the one running down a corridor holding a rather bulky piece of equipment when the enterprise is getting ready for the mutara nebula battle. I don't recall John Williams doing a stormtrooper cameo... :-P
Really? That's so cool - I loved Horner's compositions!
John Williams finally got his cameo in Rise of Skywalker, but yeah… took him almost 40 years longer 😀
it was HIGHLY plausible that Chekov was onboard the Enterprise when Kahn was there although just not on the bridge crew...Kahn only said he Knew Chekov and he did memorize the manifest during Space Seed
It makes Khan even more chilling as a character,if his genetic augmentation allowed him to totally recall a junior officer who had not been promoted
to bridgr vrew.
Whose idea was that Jim Croce clone mustache? 2:15
lol
I always thought Wakeen was Khan's son, especially when Khan said, "I will avenge you!", when Wakeen dies in the final battle.
Ooof, I love the idea of a little kid. Just plonked there crawling round innocently and oblivious while adults are going on a destructive revenge fuelled rampage. Particularly sitting there googling at the blinking lights of whats about to explode and destroy them.
Although in my rewrite after the torpedo explodes the screen would display the text "THE CHILD REPRESENTS ALL OF YOU! DO YOU GET IT?!"
Dulling down the iridescent paintjob on the Enterprise was a crime. It looks absolutely pristine in the motion picture and just never recovers after that.
Luckily I have a copy of the novelization of Wrath Of Khan. There actually was a segment about the kid. I have to read the whole book now. But from what you say, it would’ve been odd having the kid there and it would’ve been messed up if that toddler crawled up to that device, then the ship exploded, especially when he couldn’t be seen since Ceti Alpha V til that point. Glad they didn’t include it, personally. But I will now try to find time to read the book.
Gene saved the film, basically.
This was VERY informative.
Sometimes the most creative people in Hollywood are the accountants.
As father of four, one of which is a year old, I am glad they edited out the baby.
Maybe, but think about it, if that kid lived, you WOULD have had ANOTHER Augment with augmented ambition and megalomania as an adult, this time wanting revenge for killing his father! MORE Augments given birth to!
You guys make the best trek videos. How can I get a job with you? Lol
Good stuff... And nice to hear about the odd thing that I've missed in the past too many years.
a baby that Khan't be true
This. This gets a like, dammit
Excellent video.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done as in the first part and just as well executed indeed 👌.
Some facinating insights - enjoyed that video! Thanks for posting.
Kinda glad they took out the child scenes - anyone else find the thought of a child crawling up to the about-to-detonate genesis torpedo and smiling just a little disturbing?! 😬
The only thing creepier would be a kid in a gas mask saying "Are you my mummy?" 😁
"Look, there isn't any money. We're basically a non-profit organization. Most of the studio execs are on food stamps"
"Ok, so you won't mind then if our court ordered accounts take a look at your books"
"Hold on, we just got some new numbers in yesterday. Will ya look at that - turns out we did have some profits - here's your check"
There's a deleted scene in the movie between Kirk and Spock that included the reveal that Saavik was half-Romulan. Another one in the travel pod indicated that Sulu was up for the command of the Excelsior (even though the model hadn't been designed yet). Furthermore, the Regula 1 space station was a reuse of the Orbital Office Complex from TMP, only turned upside down and with the smaller office modules removed. Additionally, the shot of Spock's casket on Genesis wasn't in the earliest test screening for the movie, and was added for the final release. 🖖😎👍
As always, thanks. 🖖
Thank you for watching!
@@sean.ferrick you're welcome Sean.
One of the ideas for a 2nd Star Trek movie was the Enterprise crew going back in time to the assassination of JFK. The end of the movie would have Spock taking the final killing shot with a modified phaser from the grassy knoll.
That's a popular myth but it's untrue. In a couple of stories pitched the Enterprise went back in time and had to undo changes to history. JFK appears but helps Kirk even knowing it will probably mean his own death. We have the scripts. :)
@@facttrek iirc, that came from Shatner`s movie memiors
Star Trek 2009 is very good,but this movie is the best
Very good? Like Wrath of Khan. It - is - great.
In my opinion star trek: first contact is the best, but the Wrath Of Khan is also good
IMO, Star Trek Wrath of Khan is the best of the original series movies, Star Trek First Contact is the best of the next generation movies, and Star Trek Beyond is the best of the Kelvin movies.
@@duelslobby9191 I love Star Trek 2009. Wrath of Khan and First Contact. All great.
@@danielwilliamson6180 true
Sean，you guys are awesome～
Novemeber 1981. I rememeber it like it was yesterday.
I remember going to see Star Trek The Wrath of Khan with my cousin he was in the sixth grade I was in the eighth grade and it was the first time we had been allowed to go see a movie on our own. It's sad that Paramount tried to cheat them out of prophets by lying about how much the film made. CBS did the same thing by not trying to pay them for licensing fees for their image is being used and Leonard Nimoy refused to do the motion picture until that lawsuit was settled and of course they settled with him.
Ok, so sorry for this but....now when I see Kirk yelling "KHAAAANNN!!!" I just hear a goat instead!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 it's scarred me for life now!🖖😁🍻
Fascinating!!!
I love every installment and Sean is fricking aDORable as usual :)
Why didnt or hasn't Paramount released archive footage or interview's of BEHIND SCENES - MAKING OF Newcomer's Kirstie Alley & Merritt Butrick in Media, DVD, BLURAY or 4K ?
“Fascinating”-Spock
The whole "Khan's baby" concept was creepy at best! Very happy they ditched it. Great job King Of Dodgy Accounting! Live Long And Prosper.
Paramount always screwed with Star Trek profits from the very beginning. Some one had it in for Trek and was a thief.
It’s a great movie, I need to see it again.
Chekov screams again !!!!
Love it!
gee what a shocker a studio would lie about how much money a movie makes
Soulless pieces of crap
Ferengi
So if Trek II broke Superman's record, that would mean it was financially more successful than Star Wars. Like this list, not for just the information on the movie, but even just for the behind the scenes VFX info.
@SciFiDude 79 Excellent analysis
Sulu wasn’t it the Space Seed episode either. Although he was part of the reoccurring cast
6:28 does anyone know what Kirstie Alley and Leonard Nemoy were saying in English that they dubbed over into Klingon?
They were saying what was subtitled; watch their lips very closely.
Couldn't watch part 1 as it still has no captions !
I think the WOK version of the Enterprise Bridge is my absolute favorite.
Also that Pixar CGI has been used over and over outside of ST
#7 I did think it was weird that Chekhov knew who Khan was despite never meeting him
"I'm Darth vader from the planet "Gobbledygook!"
"I'm See-Threepio from the planet TekNoBabble!"
Wasn’t Catherine Coulson (Twin Peaks’ Log Lady) a part of the crew
I need to get that Novelization of Star Trek 2, it would fit neatly among ny Greg Cox novels.
The novelization is really good, and dovetails very nicely with Greg Cox's novels. BTW, Cox is a regular poster on the TrekBBS forum, and is always happy to discuss his novels with his readers. Just don't float any fanfic ideas or story suggestions to him - that's forbidden at that forum, due to legal reasons (if the author happens to be working on a story with any similar ideas there's no way they could prove they didn't plagiarize it if the fan should sue).
I don't know he'd necessarily didn't have to be part of the bridge crew at that time so he could have been on any part of the ship during we just wasn't following his story yet but he could have been there and it could be written that way it was just off camera