I feel the whole discussion of world accepting and world denying religions was very important. One rarely finds such frank discussion about this subject.
I fully agree, this subject is not always, or never is exposed with such clarity, I like Mr. Arith's straightforwardness to do it in a correct way and leave open paths that lead us to rethink so many things.
i know this is a 2 year old comment but yeah this sentiment actively "cured" my fear of spiders way back in 5th grade! i now love spiders and am seeking an entomology degree so.. curiosity works lol
"the arrogance of mankind always prevents the development of inner potential' - what is wrong with the entire world in a simple statement, well said Arith, well said
I've always been attracted to the "darker" aspects of spirituality. I put darker in parenthesis because I try to make no difference between left/right, bright/dark etc. They are just human biases and what is good to me is evil to the other and vice versa. Love how you mention this dualism too. I started out Asatruar but have become more and more animistic as I grow older so your videos ring a bell with me. I felt really attracted to the Norse pantheon but the thought of seeing Odin as just another "sky daddy" felt plain weird to me. I do believe in their existence but they just are. Like gravity. I feel much more connected and alive since I no longer seek "out there".
Just the kind of subjects that interest me in October 😌 You're uploading very frequently this month, thank you very much and don't forget to rest as well. Take care!
After a long illness that causes much suffering, the isolation from all I knew due to a transatlantic move and the loss of a career for which I underwent over a decade of rigorous education and training….my physical and psychological suffering opened me up to experiences that are beyond my ability to describe. I have had to traverse a Void in an out-of-body state, something which was FAR more painful (eviscerating) than anything I had had to endure so far. After this Void, in which my old Self died, I entered a long Dark Night of the Soul, during which I had to relearn “being.” After all this….one thing I can say is that EVERY soul is on its own pilgrimage and religions/beliefs/rituals appear to us as beacons in the dark. Most, if not all, are false beacons. It’s not until we accept the dark…stop flailing, crying, seeking, thrashing…and start listening to your own pure essence. No other being can do it for you! You can’t travel on another’s road! Our creator resides in everything and you’ll find the One beckoning you when you let go and surrender.
I remember reading in one of ONAs publications decades ago the statement, "I know what it's like to be in prison and to be free" (paraphrased). At first I thought it meant to be a prisoner in prison/behind bars on some occasions and free/not in prison/on the streets on other occasions. I've since come to realise that they probably meant to be free while in prison by not betraying oneself in thought, word, or deed in submission to the jailer. That one retains sovereignty wherever one is. In that way we can prosper here while awaiting the day of release.
"The arrogance of mankind always prevents the development of inner potential." Bingo. I do not agree that we are here as a punishment, however. That, too, seems to be a belief of the Abrahamic system. Being able to live, to enjoy, to appreciate the magic and wonder of creation, being able to create as a god, is a profound gift. We are here to learn how to become gods and to reflect that which created us. Furthermore, it has been my lifelong personal experience that my creator is infinitely forgiving as I bumble around making my mistakes and learning my lessons. Perhaps I am too life-embracing to be Thursatru?
So much knowledge given for free. This dude deserves the highest blessings and props. Who else does this? I'm Armenian and I wish someone would do this for our Pagan traditions. Most of the stuff related to ours is either in Armenian and Russian and usually in the form of books
Why not you? Like, you’ve got the desire and you see what this kind of education can do for others. Why not be the next one to re-awaken humanity’s consciousness?
@@neatoburrito9045 seconded. Arith chose to use his time to teach! So much respect for those that are committed (and have the confidence) enough to share the knowledge they clearly enjoy learning about
Nordic literature of the middle ages brought forth greater awareness of the Æsir myth, discovery of ancient cuneiform tablets 200 years ago gave us knowledge of our oldest stories, and lessons passed from old Canaan to the modern western world largely gave us Abrahamism as we know it. Accessibility is a huge factor in the scope and size of what knowledge enters the collective mind. You could and should be the one to scribe it.
Love all you're Insightful vids!! I like that you brought up SAMYAZA (SAMJAZA) or SHEMYAZA. Shemyaza is the Knower of the Names, Master of Sorcery, Rootwork and Enchantments, all MAGICK'S.....
I don't know how I found your pages but I'm happy I did! I was very fascinated by Satanism when I was an atheist for 10 years but couldn't find the right materials. Now I identify as pagan but I'm still fascinated by anything that isn't mainstream. Your voice is so relaxing!
Taking a negative approach to any spiritual development leads to personal problems on a huge life warping scale. You have a great balance and perspective. Good work, and good wisdom.
I always love watching your videos, since every time I watch one I always learn something new, and I strive to learn as much as I can. So I thank you Arith for teaching us new things and new information for us to grow our minds. I greatly appreciate it and keep up the great work!
Super interesting. Arith has a gift which is the ability to explain things up front and clearly in his information and explanations. He knows his mind and is firm in his spiritual beliefs but is open. He is a flawed man but is open to learning and knowing. I believe he knows he can love more than one person but getting past his wall is not always so easy.
Since first hearing about Thursatru and Rokkatru, I've found their perspectives fascinating. Thank you for diving a little deeper with this video, I'm going to have to go through it a few times to really absorb it. Well done, sir!
Fantastic video, yet again. The World Accepting vs World Denying explanation of belief systems is DYNAMIC and caused me a great paradigm shift. Thank you for sharing this.
Does anyone else have to watch Arith’s video in all increments because they are so profound that you have to stop and ponder his words? After I finish an entire video, I usually need a nap. LOL!
it seems to me then...that Odinn himself was following the thursatru path. Considering what we know about him tells us he was a wanderer and he was always seeking knowledge. Which means he was aware of his own "physical" limitations as well, and he too was looking for a way to transcend.
Omg Thank you so much I am an Omnist I am also walking my own path. It upsets so many people they keep doing witch burning on me. Or spiritual Alchemy or soul loss.. I saw a spiritual guardian during the first time. I try so hard to keep learning I seek the traditional way of thinking. I can't answer or understand why people do what they do. But right now I'm currently going thru the process of soul loss again. You and your knowledge is helping me so much. Thank you.
Thursatru actually comes from the current 218 philosophical background (check the author Ekortu, he wrotes several grimoires), as it is a "syncretic" tradition aiming to group the anti-cosmic aspects of different cultures ; for example: Qliphoth (Qabalah) and Cult of Qayin, Tiamat (Sumerian), Set (Ancient Egypt), Kali (Hinduism), and obviously Thursar for Norse mythology.
I've been waiting for the new you to show up here! (You've looked that way for a while now on IG.) Looking fantastic (as always.) :-) And now for the video... oh boy this is gonna be a good one....
Just found your channel and thought tje title of this video was very interesting. I am part Native American, with English and some Scandinavian as well, and i consider myself a heathen. Been reading a lot on the subject. The fact Thursatru exists just shows how the medieval Christian writers inserted Judeo Christian interpretations of the Norse myths. Thursatru is an outcome imo of someone reading the Poetic Edda and taking it literally. Since I'm still kinda new to Heathenry i have difficulty shaking latent Christianity off of me, and im guilty of trying to appease the gods to obtain a "pagan" afterlife. It sounds silly, but it's something im mentally dealing with still. I found this video very interesting and i found the animism part fascinating as well.
Haha great to hear from you again Rasputin, been a while!! Haha love the vids Arith you help provide great insight into the self and inspire positive thought
Man your perspective on Thursatru leaves a completely different vibe than the articles I've read by Thursatru practicers 😅 every article I've read by Thursatru practicers is very in denial of the fact that they take inspiration from Gnosticism and Satanism, with a lot of insistence that it's the tRuE religions/religious intent of our ancestors. I'm very in favor of people forging their own paths utilizing whatever inspires and feels correct to them so long as their not misrepresenting those paths, but all the writings on that front were filled with misrepresentation and outright lies about their sources.
Great video! This is the first time I've heard of Norse anti cosmic Satanism... I'm familiar with anti cosmic Satanism based off the Sitra Achra... do you feel there could be parallels in the Jewish Qabalah, like the Jewish tree of life/sefirot with Nordic concepts like Yggdrasil and if so what would you say the "norse sitra achra" is?? Does Yggdrasil have an opposite, an other side??
This is another video of yours I learned something from. Thank you for all the work. I am going to be busy listening to all your videos. Wish I would have found your channel earlier. Thank you 😊
I like how you say reality isn't dualistic. This duality is what we perceive and is how the non dual expresses itself, but in reality everything is one and the same, expressed in different forms. Whether you call it God, consciousness, nirvana whatever.. Well said, nice video.
thank you arith for another fascinating talk. i was going to ask you some questions. firstly, how can thursatru be anti aesir when the blood of the aesir is part giant in its heritage; surely this would prevent thursatru from being against the aesir? secondly, i was going to ask about lokism. how does this relate to thursatru, asatru and heathenry? i have read some of the classic texts, i was wondering whether the christian translators may have placed loki as a satan kind of figure and wondered whether this might be misleading? is lokism like a nordic version of satanism or is it something completely different? thank you.
Thank you for this video! I'll be sharing it a lot. I have tried over and over to explain to people to spend more time developing a relationship with nature spirits and ancestors. So many still feel the need to put a Christian order on the gods and goddesses. World denying and world accepting view explanations were excellent. Oh, by the way, wasn't expecting the new look but it suits you. ☺
From this video and your Rokatru video I'm left wondering if a path exists to engage and experience the paganism of my ancestors. You say that the knowledge available to us is so corrupted by medieval Christianity that we can't be sure what is true. You have also said that Western minds are so captured by our collective Christian consciousness that we can't grasp the principles of the old ways. Given that I can see why some would be attracted to an alacarte philosophy combining elements of gnosticism and Satanism. You are a gifted teacher and an acknowledged subject matter expert. I believe the beginning of the end for animism and true paganism began when man stepped outside of nature and left the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and entered into an agrarian one. And over the centuries he begin to rely less and less on nature to where he didn't need nature anymore. Or at least he felt that way. And along with that came cities in towns and the monotheistic religions we have today. Which are authoritarian hierarchical and aggressively expansionist. I seek to wipe that all away in my thinking and engage more on an indigenous level with shamanism. The Earth denying religions of brought us to the point where we have taken what we want from the earth and not given back. And now we find ourselves beginning to pay the price for our arrogance. It's impossible to describe God. All religions are just metaphor. It doesn't mean the spirits don't exist. It's just that we can't truly explain them. So good luck with that. Thanks for what you do.
Arith, you have a very interesting interpretation of Norse/Germanic Paganism. I would like to know your opinion of Jackson Crawford and his interpretation of old Norse religion?
Thursatru just sounds like LHP Asatru. The approach to deities like Hel resemble the Greek cults of Hecate, for example. It's reasonable to speculate there would have been people who practiced "sorcery" in ancient times, and contacted or "partnered" with forces that normal people would regarded as evil or "demonic". Obviously, none of those beliefs would have survived the arrival of Christianity. Snorri never would have told the story of someone who made pacts with a "Thurses".
Can I conclude that followers of Thursatru seek for knowledge to escape reincarnation or any other means of staying in the created universe (heaven , valhalla, etc.) when they die? Thanks Arith for this elaborate summary and I follow your view that people should seek their own spiritual path and subsequent vessels or channels of communication.
I think each one of us (including, obviously, ancient peoples, pagan or not) has his/hers own feelings about the surroundings. And some people just feel something is "off". Regarding material life, in the cosmic, three dimensional realm. Of course, ancient heathens didn't write books, so, I guess Gnosticism got the "full rights" to such initial approach, when it comes to pointing out the Archontic Cosmic Lie. But it's a perception that is simply there, in some spirits. This doesn't mean a person can't be a pagan and a gnostic anti-cosmic satanist at the same time. For sure in the past that's how many felt. Actually, in the past they most likely weren't very interested in labeling themselves in such a manner. Or any other. Funny example: the fact that a kid hates school, and doesn't accept its concept, doesn't mean he won't try having the most possible amount of awesome moments while being forced to stay there ;-D Even facing it as a defying challenge. Part of the fun, even.
It all came from the guy behind the swedish black metal band arckanum who basically made the beliefs of dissection and watain into a more norse version
I'm working on a personal memoir and I'm curious as to where you first came across the terms "World-Accepting View," and "World-Denying View," so I can do more research on that subject. Thank you
Maybe you didn't read Ekortu's books and so totally missed the parts on animism? Ekortu clearly talks about and even underlines the importance of animism within Thursatru as the spirits in nature have a huge roll within their sorcery. They believe that the 'troll' spirits are directly descendants of the thurses and that the 'troll' spirits are trapped in nature, and so being 'close' to us humans. Why do think Thursatruar give offerings to the tree spirits before they harvest (explained to be a strict tradition)? Why do you think they give offerings to the spirits of the woods when they enter the forest, or giving food and coins to the Tomte, or giving libation to the water spirits before fishing or collecting water, or give offerings to the gate-keeper when they enter cemeteries, etc... ANIMISM IS VERY IMPORTANT within Thursatru. Pro tip, read Ekortu's book Svartkonst and learn about the importance of animism within their path.
I was wondering the same thing. I am half Hungarian so I know we also do the tree rituals. We have places we go, sacred groves of sorts. It is part of that anti- cosmic element . If you think about it, the way Christian people treat the Earth, it behooves us to do the opposite as Satanist.
I loved the part about racism, asides from all of it of course. I had a chat with some people from the Vodou community and I find they are folkish, they are a closed group and do the exact opposite of what Asatru is trying to do, i.e the Troth and TAC. Spirit has no color. This is such a limited and ignorant view and I'm glad you mentioned it and dealth with it in the proper fashion. Racism has no pert in spirituality and is a 3D concept acceptable only to unenlightened and closed minds, minds that are focused on immediate surroundings instead of the bounty of enlightenment that the cosmos holds. Racism is pathetic.
From my limited understanding I figured nationalism would happen in Paganism on a smaller scale, the community. That especially when times are hard you prioritize feeding your neighbors over feeding the world. You would defend your neighborhood and community before traveling miles to defend strangers. Not that you couldn't trade with strangers or would actively harm them, but you should support your friends and help with their problems first.
Yeah, that was the only part of this that I took exception to. Naught in animism precludes in-group preference-indeed, it even promotes it as a self-preservation function.
So, would the mystical branches from the main monotheistic religions (for example Kabbalah, Sufism, etc.) be world affirming or world denying, like their organized religion counterparts? I’m not too well versed in the topic, but it seems to me that mysticism, or at least some forms of it, aims at establishing some sort of symbiosis with the spiritual realm before death occurs, and not just in the aftermath as a reward of a life that has stuck to the rules of a set religion. Is this correct?
Arith, is it possible to have both points of view and kind of be in the middle? I mean I approach things with an animistic mindset but I also am very drawn to the study of magic and learning about the cosmic powers of Ginnungagap. Is this something that exists and has a name or is it just my own hybrid mashup of spirituality?
Even if one sees light at the end of the staircase, only way to go there is walk every step upwards. If you start looking single steps too long it will just slow you down, but if you start to run and forget the stairs you will fall over and roll down the stairs.
There is a pay off in everything. Light and dark. We are both. To acknowledge one wholly is to deny the other wholly. To recognize one wholly is to accept that acknowledgment means shit. Besides the point, you look good Arith. Edit: I was being facetious in my original comment. Not about you, Arith. Again, you look great. You’re a powerful and attractive man.
I googled so many words and learned so much from just this one video, yet I'm more confused than ever about myself. I don't know where I stand anymore. I think I fall in the category "agnostic atheist", but more wanting to be an agnostic theist but my scientific mind sometimes takes the reigns and says fuck it all. Then I watch freyia norling and I'm a believer again. I'm constantly here and there. Completely torn in half about it all. I can't be the only person who believes, but doesn't, it's not that I'm "just" spiritual, I do believe something is likely there, but I'm struggling with it... eh. Am I alone here?
I was raised in the Baptist church but my dad also taught me to be an Omist. There is truth in all religions and faith systems. There is no one true religion. This channel is my first deep dive into the older beliefs than the Abrahamic religions.
Trying to understand paganism :- in this physical world, there are people everywhere, who you might or might not have a good relationship/encounter with. If you want to avoid someone, you generally can. But there are also invisible 'people' here too, that also seem subject to anger, meanness etc, but you can't see them coming, or avoid upsetting them through say, ignorance - suddenly, the world is even more dodgy! So, my question is, were our ancestors time spent in trepidation, and making obesiences and sacrifices, rites etc, out of a fearful vulnerability? Thank you in anticipation of any replies.
I’m not into anti cosmic Satanism but I’m very informed on Gnosticism and the adversary. It’s not a “Christian” pov but I understand sometimes secular dating puts things in timelines. It includes Ophite (serpent) Gnostics (nothing to do with COS religion which is atheistic and not theistic) which is animistic in nature. The Sethian Gnostics were much more ab hating this human form than the Valentinians. Overall it was a non dogmatic mystical teaching bc they believed Jesus did not exist (only as celestial flesh). The Nag Hammadi breaks it down. So what I’m gathering here (which is fantastic by the way) is Thursatru is equivalent to Sethians in the Gnostic cosmology and the Rokathru is akin to Valentinian which don’t regard this world as “evil” or more accurately ONLY chaotic, really. I’m a follower of Gnosticism so I’d be considered on the cusp of both Thusatru and Rokathru 😅 to conclude the Gnostic Jesus asserts; the kingdom is within you. Now that is akin to the Monad or the unseen god and not the demiurge (YHVH in particular Torah/Genesis accounts) but passages link Lucifer to Christ in the Bible so in essence also encompassing the true source god.
I would also like to expand on the whole world denying view vs world accepting thing you typical.have 3 types of philosophical views in this world. You have those that agree with John Locke: everyone is born good in nature basically, you have those who agree with Thomas Hobbes: everyone is born evil in nature, and those who agree with Voltaire: Everything is born but it is its environment that shapes it in nature. I agree with Voltaire
I'd have to say that it's all subjective. All babies are born unknowing and therefore "innocent". All babies have instincts to be loved and nurtured. However not all babies have the same threshold to endure pain, frustration or discontentment. These differences vary with each individual child and these differences create differing individual personalities as that child ages and has to encounter those things within their external environment...Also not all children are born with the same core personality traits and those traits emerge in differing ways within all of us. We are all connected because we are all the same species and come from the same source of consciousness but we are also all individuals and all unique in our own way as well. That's what I believe anyway.
Hi Arith, thanks for the video. Just curious - did you have a chance to study/compare Hinduism to Nordic Religion? There are few similarities that I'm able to notice but I do want to know from a professional if it's true of if it's all in my head. Would appreciate it if there's a video/read that I can follow to learn more
I have the same question about similarity. I did some digging around on Wikipedia and we do share some roots, but it was so long ago that it's not obvious how you ended up where you are and we ended up where we are. Apparently, our common ancestors seeded many different regional belief systems from the same proto-religion centered around three 'classes' and three main gods (of sky, land, and sea). I'd love to know more details than I was able to piece together, though! For example, did Thor have a net like Indra? How related are Mjölner and vajras? Perhaps you know this one - is there a primordial world tree in any of the stories of the sanātana dharma?
@@teresaspicer4829 that's right, there are several lores that intersect and there's indeed a primordial tree of life called the "Kalpavriksha" - loosely translates to Tree of Eons (and I couldn't help but connect it to the timeline between 2 Ragnarok) but the epics are vast and dates much older, so I'm not quite sure. Would be happy to know, though
I really enjoy the video, I tend to notice u generalize a lot with Christianity, I feel alot of what people think christianity is is what the church(s) have said done, are saying doing, which is of course a logical way to interpret the Religion but the church(s) are just one body that assume they hold spiritual power and people tend to listen to them, I geuss waht I'm trying to say is that to be christian in the simplest terms is to follow the teachings of Jesus, may peolpe tend to identify with a church's teachings which entails a whole set od dogma and other ideas that aren't necessarily christian but an interpretation or conclusion based on the bible, or even just cultural tradition. So to be christian can mean a very wide array of thing based on who u r talking to. Tom sum it up a church's dogma is not christianity.
The philosophy behind Chaos-Gnostic Satanism (and Ekortu's stream of Thursatru, for that matter) is very contradictory. To me, it makes sense that the focus on the Thurses is a return to the beginning. Yes, it's not technically part of the contemporary Pagan/Heathen current, but it's very animistic and shamanistic in many ways. In that sense, it's a reinvention. I see Thursatru diverging from Chaos-Gnostic thought over time, as it's not exactly compatible with the lore. The author who coined the term Thursatru (correct me if I'm wrong) was once part of the Chaos-Gnostic Satanism scene in Sweden, so his ties to Satanism will likely never be completely severed. However, there are others in different parts of the world with different perspectives on the Thursian current. One author even considers Odin to be very important, while others consider him to be an obstacle. It's all very interesting, and it just shows that we're all individuals trying to make sense of something that we cannot ever fully understand. With this world becoming more unstable, perhaps looking to the beginning is a way of moving forward. Then again, everything is cyclical. Great video as always, Arith.
It's good to have more educated people agreeing that nationalism and racism and hate have no place in any spirituality or belief system. It's stupid, willfully ignorant people who bring it to control others.
Nice video. I would say that it's still paganism, as it's within the realm of germanic/nordic mysticism or polytheism, it's just quasi-spiritual, or more occult, I suppose.
I almost didn't click on this suggestion, because I'm aware of and comfortably familiar with Asatru and Þursatru... and the idea of click-baiting "satanism" in conjunction with these concepts came across as petty and narrow. I'm glad I have an open mind and let my curiosity overtake my bias. You, sir, have a knack for explaining things. I've enjoyed this video, learned from it, and don't regret a minute I spent listening/watching. Thank you, and I'll be looking into your other content.
I feel the whole discussion of world accepting and world denying religions was very important. One rarely finds such frank discussion about this subject.
I fully agree, this subject is not always, or never is exposed with such clarity, I like Mr. Arith's straightforwardness to do it in a correct way and leave open paths that lead us to rethink so many things.
Agreed! My favorite part of the entire lecture.
"Replace fear with curiosity" is the wisest thing I've heard in like... a long long time.
Tack till dig Arith!
i know this is a 2 year old comment but yeah this sentiment actively "cured" my fear of spiders way back in 5th grade! i now love spiders and am seeking an entomology degree so.. curiosity works lol
curiosity is not always a good thing, but fear is also not necessary. It is good to know evil to avoid evil.
There isn't one single video I dislike from you. Another great video Arith, thank you!
@Mr. Wednesday though you were gone by now, always crying about something. Get a life, maybe?
"the arrogance of mankind always prevents the development of inner potential' - what is wrong with the entire world in a simple statement, well said Arith, well said
No. You look fierce dude
I've always been attracted to the "darker" aspects of spirituality. I put darker in parenthesis because I try to make no difference between left/right, bright/dark etc. They are just human biases and what is good to me is evil to the other and vice versa.
Love how you mention this dualism too.
I started out Asatruar but have become more and more animistic as I grow older so your videos ring a bell with me. I felt really attracted to the Norse pantheon but the thought of seeing Odin as just another "sky daddy" felt plain weird to me. I do believe in their existence but they just are. Like gravity. I feel much more connected and alive since I no longer seek "out there".
That last line of yours got me good. I'll be keeping that in mind from now on, thanks for sharing!
Just the kind of subjects that interest me in October 😌
You're uploading very frequently this month, thank you very much and don't forget to rest as well. Take care!
I'm learning so much from you about our history, and ultimately, my Self. Thank you for the work that you do Arith!
P. S. Your new look is 🔥
After a long illness that causes much suffering, the isolation from all I knew due to a transatlantic move and the loss of a career for which I underwent over a decade of rigorous education and training….my physical and psychological suffering opened me up to experiences that are beyond my ability to describe.
I have had to traverse a Void in an out-of-body state, something which was FAR more painful (eviscerating) than anything I had had to endure so far.
After this Void, in which my old Self died, I entered a long Dark Night of the Soul, during which I had to relearn “being.”
After all this….one thing I can say is that EVERY soul is on its own pilgrimage and religions/beliefs/rituals appear to us as beacons in the dark. Most, if not all, are false beacons. It’s not until we accept the dark…stop flailing, crying, seeking, thrashing…and start listening to your own pure essence. No other being can do it for you! You can’t travel on another’s road! Our creator resides in everything and you’ll find the One beckoning you when you let go and surrender.
I remember reading in one of ONAs publications decades ago the statement, "I know what it's like to be in prison and to be free" (paraphrased). At first I thought it meant to be a prisoner in prison/behind bars on some occasions and free/not in prison/on the streets on other occasions. I've since come to realise that they probably meant to be free while in prison by not betraying oneself in thought, word, or deed in submission to the jailer. That one retains sovereignty wherever one is.
In that way we can prosper here while awaiting the day of release.
"The arrogance of mankind always prevents the development of inner potential." Bingo. I do not agree that we are here as a punishment, however. That, too, seems to be a belief of the Abrahamic system. Being able to live, to enjoy, to appreciate the magic and wonder of creation, being able to create as a god, is a profound gift. We are here to learn how to become gods and to reflect that which created us. Furthermore, it has been my lifelong personal experience that my creator is infinitely forgiving as I bumble around making my mistakes and learning my lessons. Perhaps I am too life-embracing to be Thursatru?
I do agree 😊
Yes, my thoughts exactly.
I really do agree
We really need to take the term thursatru back, make it as open as the term heathen is.
So much knowledge given for free. This dude deserves the highest blessings and props. Who else does this? I'm Armenian and I wish someone would do this for our Pagan traditions. Most of the stuff related to ours is either in Armenian and Russian and usually in the form of books
Why not you? Like, you’ve got the desire and you see what this kind of education can do for others. Why not be the next one to re-awaken humanity’s consciousness?
@@neatoburrito9045 seconded. Arith chose to use his time to teach! So much respect for those that are committed (and have the confidence) enough to share the knowledge they clearly enjoy learning about
Nordic literature of the middle ages brought forth greater awareness of the Æsir myth, discovery of ancient cuneiform tablets 200 years ago gave us knowledge of our oldest stories, and lessons passed from old Canaan to the modern western world largely gave us Abrahamism as we know it.
Accessibility is a huge factor in the scope and size of what knowledge enters the collective mind. You could and should be the one to scribe it.
Love all you're Insightful vids!! I like that you brought up SAMYAZA (SAMJAZA) or SHEMYAZA. Shemyaza is the Knower of the Names, Master of Sorcery, Rootwork and Enchantments, all MAGICK'S.....
Your channel is endlessly fascinating. I love it
I just watched two videos from you on the Sorcerers Screed and Icelandic book of Futhark. Now I get another interesting video from you
Norse Anton LaVey with the new look
Dark and edgy
Loved your closing words, "replace fear with curiosity".
I don't know how I found your pages but I'm happy I did! I was very fascinated by Satanism when I was an atheist for 10 years but couldn't find the right materials. Now I identify as pagan but I'm still fascinated by anything that isn't mainstream. Your voice is so relaxing!
Taking a negative approach to any spiritual development leads to personal problems on a huge life warping scale.
You have a great balance and perspective. Good work, and good wisdom.
I always love watching your videos, since every time I watch one I always learn something new, and I strive to learn as much as I can. So I thank you Arith for teaching us new things and new information for us to grow our minds. I greatly appreciate it and keep up the great work!
Super interesting. Arith has a gift which is the ability to explain things up front and clearly in his information and explanations. He knows his mind and is firm in his spiritual beliefs but is open. He is a flawed man but is open to learning and knowing. I believe he knows he can love more than one person but getting past his wall is not always so easy.
Since first hearing about Thursatru and Rokkatru, I've found their perspectives fascinating. Thank you for diving a little deeper with this video, I'm going to have to go through it a few times to really absorb it. Well done, sir!
Fantastic video, yet again. The World Accepting vs World Denying explanation of belief systems is DYNAMIC and caused me a great paradigm shift. Thank you for sharing this.
Does anyone else have to watch Arith’s video in all increments because they are so profound that you have to stop and ponder his words?
After I finish an entire video, I usually need a nap. LOL!
As always, thorough with diligent insight! Thankful for your efforts.
I just subscribed. Thank you. Finally someone who can make sense of ALL the "stuff" that's being circulated. I'm a pagan witch. Thank you, again.
I just want you to know I love you and I appreciate your brilliant mind and your time that you share with us... blessed be to my dear brother
Thank You! And absolutely agree with "the more religions you study..." after a lifetime of reading every major text (and many not-so-major ones).
it seems to me then...that Odinn himself was following the thursatru path. Considering what we know about him tells us he was a wanderer and he was always seeking knowledge. Which means he was aware of his own "physical" limitations as well, and he too was looking for a way to transcend.
THIS! Loki was his blood brother after all.
Omg Thank you so much I am an Omnist I am also walking my own path. It upsets so many people they keep doing witch burning on me. Or spiritual Alchemy or soul loss.. I saw a spiritual guardian during the first time. I try so hard to keep learning I seek the traditional way of thinking. I can't answer or understand why people do what they do. But right now I'm currently going thru the process of soul loss again. You and your knowledge is helping me so much. Thank you.
I would like to live near you just to have the chance to chat about these things and listen to you in person. I was in awe watching this.
I love it. It's like the anti-cosmic current 218.
Thursatru actually comes from the current 218 philosophical background (check the author Ekortu, he wrotes several grimoires), as it is a "syncretic" tradition aiming to group the anti-cosmic aspects of different cultures ; for example: Qliphoth (Qabalah) and Cult of Qayin, Tiamat (Sumerian), Set (Ancient Egypt), Kali (Hinduism), and obviously Thursar for Norse mythology.
I know, sounds like ToBL.
You are a gift to this world Arith!!
I love this. Thank you Arith for this.
I've been waiting for the new you to show up here! (You've looked that way for a while now on IG.) Looking fantastic (as always.) :-)
And now for the video... oh boy this is gonna be a good one....
I had watched another one of your videos and wondered about what you might know about Satanism. 🎉 Thank you for sharing 🙏 very insightful.
Just found your channel and thought tje title of this video was very interesting. I am part Native American, with English and some Scandinavian as well, and i consider myself a heathen. Been reading a lot on the subject. The fact Thursatru exists just shows how the medieval Christian writers inserted Judeo Christian interpretations of the Norse myths. Thursatru is an outcome imo of someone reading the Poetic Edda and taking it literally. Since I'm still kinda new to Heathenry i have difficulty shaking latent Christianity off of me, and im guilty of trying to appease the gods to obtain a "pagan" afterlife. It sounds silly, but it's something im mentally dealing with still. I found this video very interesting and i found the animism part fascinating as well.
We need to return to an animistic point of view of the world,we really need it right now more than ever
Your mind and intention, from my opinion, is beautiful, and right.
Thank you for the great video Arith
You are a treasure trove of information and I anticipate listening to you while doing my daily routine, Much appreciated!🙏
You are quick becoming where I sell wisdom and insight. Thank you!
Haha great to hear from you again Rasputin, been a while!! Haha love the vids Arith you help provide great insight into the self and inspire positive thought
Man your perspective on Thursatru leaves a completely different vibe than the articles I've read by Thursatru practicers 😅 every article I've read by Thursatru practicers is very in denial of the fact that they take inspiration from Gnosticism and Satanism, with a lot of insistence that it's the tRuE religions/religious intent of our ancestors. I'm very in favor of people forging their own paths utilizing whatever inspires and feels correct to them so long as their not misrepresenting those paths, but all the writings on that front were filled with misrepresentation and outright lies about their sources.
Great video!
This is the first time I've heard of Norse anti cosmic Satanism...
I'm familiar with anti cosmic Satanism based off the Sitra Achra... do you feel there could be parallels in the Jewish Qabalah, like the Jewish tree of life/sefirot with Nordic concepts like Yggdrasil and if so what would you say the "norse sitra achra" is?? Does Yggdrasil have an opposite, an other side??
Yes theirs would be the darker gods if you will. Loki, Fenrir, the world serpent etc
I really really love this video. Thank you 👌
Love your analysis and the way you give simple explanations to complex ideas
Thank you for another excellent video! And the new look is great!
Move over LaVey, Arith wears the look better than you.
yeah, you went from pansy to psycho in 1 move. good shit. it works ;)
Lavey is trash compared to lavey
Hey brother ! Looks great ! Very clean ! Hope it feels as good to you as it does to me ! Very liberating !
Thank you very much for making these videos, this was very helpful for me. keep being awesome
This is another video of yours I learned something from. Thank you for all the work. I am going to be busy listening to all your videos. Wish I would have found your channel earlier. Thank you 😊
Excellent explanation! Thank you! I love your videos!
I like how you say reality isn't dualistic. This duality is what we perceive and is how the non dual expresses itself, but in reality everything is one and the same, expressed in different forms. Whether you call it God, consciousness, nirvana whatever.. Well said, nice video.
We are all children of Ymir.
This will be another video where I'm going to rewatch and take notes lol. This faintly reminds me of Lovecraftian myths and worship.
This is awesome. Incredible videos, as always. Best channel ever
I'm liking the new look, now you must braid your beard and give us a video about norse beards 😂
thank you arith for another fascinating talk. i was going to ask you some questions. firstly, how can thursatru be anti aesir when the blood of the aesir is part giant in its heritage; surely this would prevent thursatru from being against the aesir? secondly, i was going to ask about lokism. how does this relate to thursatru, asatru and heathenry? i have read some of the classic texts, i was wondering whether the christian translators may have placed loki as a satan kind of figure and wondered whether this might be misleading? is lokism like a nordic version of satanism or is it something completely different? thank you.
Thank you for this video! I'll be sharing it a lot. I have tried over and over to explain to people to spend more time developing a relationship with nature spirits and ancestors. So many still feel the need to put a Christian order on the gods and goddesses. World denying and world accepting view explanations were excellent. Oh, by the way, wasn't expecting the new look but it suits you. ☺
From this video and your Rokatru video I'm left wondering if a path exists to engage and experience the paganism of my ancestors. You say that the knowledge available to us is so corrupted by medieval Christianity that we can't be sure what is true. You have also said that Western minds are so captured by our collective Christian consciousness that we can't grasp the principles of the old ways. Given that I can see why some would be attracted to an alacarte philosophy combining elements of gnosticism and Satanism. You are a gifted teacher and an acknowledged subject matter expert. I believe the beginning of the end for animism and true paganism began when man stepped outside of nature and left the hunter-gatherer lifestyle and entered into an agrarian one. And over the centuries he begin to rely less and less on nature to where he didn't need nature anymore. Or at least he felt that way. And along with that came cities in towns and the monotheistic religions we have today. Which are authoritarian hierarchical and aggressively expansionist. I seek to wipe that all away in my thinking and engage more on an indigenous level with shamanism. The Earth denying religions of brought us to the point where we have taken what we want from the earth and not given back. And now we find ourselves beginning to pay the price for our arrogance.
It's impossible to describe God. All religions are just metaphor. It doesn't mean the spirits don't exist. It's just that we can't truly explain them. So good luck with that.
Thanks for what you do.
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You were missing the pre-requisite armor and axe before that stare would look intimidating. 😄
Arith, you have a very interesting interpretation of Norse/Germanic Paganism. I would like to know your opinion of Jackson Crawford and his interpretation of old Norse religion?
Thanks you for sharing, Loved this lesson . 🙏✌
"Supernatural ecosystem." Very intriguing term indeed ;-)
Thursatru just sounds like LHP Asatru. The approach to deities like Hel resemble the Greek cults of Hecate, for example. It's reasonable to speculate there would have been people who practiced "sorcery" in ancient times, and contacted or "partnered" with forces that normal people would regarded as evil or "demonic". Obviously, none of those beliefs would have survived the arrival of Christianity. Snorri never would have told the story of someone who made pacts with a "Thurses".
Can I conclude that followers of Thursatru seek for knowledge to escape reincarnation or any other means of staying in the created universe (heaven , valhalla, etc.) when they die? Thanks Arith for this elaborate summary and I follow your view that people should seek their own spiritual path and subsequent vessels or channels of communication.
Very nice video, very well put together.
I think each one of us (including, obviously, ancient peoples, pagan or not) has his/hers own feelings about the surroundings. And some people just feel something is "off". Regarding material life, in the cosmic, three dimensional realm. Of course, ancient heathens didn't write books, so, I guess Gnosticism got the "full rights" to such initial approach, when it comes to pointing out the Archontic Cosmic Lie. But it's a perception that is simply there, in some spirits. This doesn't mean a person can't be a pagan and a gnostic anti-cosmic satanist at the same time. For sure in the past that's how many felt. Actually, in the past they most likely weren't very interested in labeling themselves in such a manner. Or any other. Funny example: the fact that a kid hates school, and doesn't accept its concept, doesn't mean he won't try having the most possible amount of awesome moments while being forced to stay there ;-D Even facing it as a defying challenge. Part of the fun, even.
It all came from the guy behind the swedish black metal band arckanum who basically made the beliefs of dissection and watain into a more norse version
I'm working on a personal memoir and I'm curious as to where you first came across the terms "World-Accepting View," and "World-Denying View," so I can do more research on that subject. Thank you
Wow. 20 minutes in and I realize I'll have to watch this again.
Not a complaint. Just a lot going on here.
Maybe you didn't read Ekortu's books and so totally missed the parts on animism? Ekortu clearly talks about and even underlines the importance of animism within Thursatru as the spirits in nature have a huge roll within their sorcery. They believe that the 'troll' spirits are directly descendants of the thurses and that the 'troll' spirits are trapped in nature, and so being 'close' to us humans. Why do think Thursatruar give offerings to the tree spirits before they harvest (explained to be a strict tradition)? Why do you think they give offerings to the spirits of the woods when they enter the forest, or giving food and coins to the Tomte, or giving libation to the water spirits before fishing or collecting water, or give offerings to the gate-keeper when they enter cemeteries, etc... ANIMISM IS VERY IMPORTANT within Thursatru. Pro tip, read Ekortu's book Svartkonst and learn about the importance of animism within their path.
Interesting, I'll check that one you mentioned, thank you.
I was wondering the same thing. I am half Hungarian so I know we also do the tree rituals. We have places we go, sacred groves of sorts. It is part of that anti- cosmic element . If you think about it, the way Christian people treat the Earth, it behooves us to do the opposite as Satanist.
Now you look like a real viking , Arith
Jepp all is about "BALance" - thank you for meantion this importend knowledge dear brother
Rip english!!!!..
I loved the part about racism, asides from all of it of course. I had a chat with some people from the Vodou community and I find they are folkish, they are a closed group and do the exact opposite of what Asatru is trying to do, i.e the Troth and TAC. Spirit has no color. This is such a limited and ignorant view and I'm glad you mentioned it and dealth with it in the proper fashion. Racism has no pert in spirituality and is a 3D concept acceptable only to unenlightened and closed minds, minds that are focused on immediate surroundings instead of the bounty of enlightenment that the cosmos holds. Racism is pathetic.
tell that to evola lol
That was awesome, very enlightening! (First video of yours that I’m watching.)
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Do you have any academic background and publications? 🙂
i' m very glad that i came across your channel.
From my limited understanding I figured nationalism would happen in Paganism on a smaller scale, the community. That especially when times are hard you prioritize feeding your neighbors over feeding the world. You would defend your neighborhood and community before traveling miles to defend strangers. Not that you couldn't trade with strangers or would actively harm them, but you should support your friends and help with their problems first.
Yeah, that was the only part of this that I took exception to. Naught in animism precludes in-group preference-indeed, it even promotes it as a self-preservation function.
enlightening ,thank you
Very interesting topic, we are actually doing a project with a researcher of thursian practices Undirheimar..
So, would the mystical branches from the main monotheistic religions (for example Kabbalah, Sufism, etc.) be world affirming or world denying, like their organized religion counterparts? I’m not too well versed in the topic, but it seems to me that mysticism, or at least some forms of it, aims at establishing some sort of symbiosis with the spiritual realm before death occurs, and not just in the aftermath as a reward of a life that has stuck to the rules of a set religion. Is this correct?
Arith, is it possible to have both points of view and kind of be in the middle? I mean I approach things with an animistic mindset but I also am very drawn to the study of magic and learning about the cosmic powers of Ginnungagap. Is this something that exists and has a name or is it just my own hybrid mashup of spirituality?
Arith, have you read
Ryan Smith's
The Way of Fire and Ice
The Living Tradition of Norse Paganism?
I think you should read it
excellent video thank you
Even if one sees light at the end of the staircase, only way to go there is walk every step upwards. If you start looking single steps too long it will just slow you down, but if you start to run and forget the stairs you will fall over and roll down the stairs.
There is a pay off in everything. Light and dark. We are both. To acknowledge one wholly is to deny the other wholly.
To recognize one wholly is to accept that acknowledgment means shit.
Besides the point, you look good Arith.
Edit: I was being facetious in my original comment. Not about you, Arith. Again, you look great. You’re a powerful and attractive man.
I googled so many words and learned so much from just this one video, yet I'm more confused than ever about myself.
I don't know where I stand anymore. I think I fall in the category "agnostic atheist", but more wanting to be an agnostic theist but my scientific mind sometimes takes the reigns and says fuck it all. Then I watch freyia norling and I'm a believer again. I'm constantly here and there. Completely torn in half about it all.
I can't be the only person who believes, but doesn't, it's not that I'm "just" spiritual, I do believe something is likely there, but I'm struggling with it... eh. Am I alone here?
I was raised in the Baptist church but my dad also taught me to be an Omist. There is truth in all religions and faith systems. There is no one true religion. This channel is my first deep dive into the older beliefs than the Abrahamic religions.
Thank you for this wonderful video!
Trying to understand paganism :- in this physical world, there are people everywhere, who you might or might not have a good relationship/encounter with. If you want to avoid someone, you generally can. But there are also invisible 'people' here too, that also seem subject to anger, meanness etc, but you can't see them coming, or avoid upsetting them through say, ignorance - suddenly, the world is even more dodgy! So, my question is, were our ancestors time spent in trepidation, and making obesiences and sacrifices, rites etc, out of a fearful vulnerability? Thank you in anticipation of any replies.
I’m not into anti cosmic Satanism but I’m very informed on Gnosticism and the adversary. It’s not a “Christian” pov but I understand sometimes secular dating puts things in timelines. It includes Ophite (serpent) Gnostics (nothing to do with COS religion which is atheistic and not theistic) which is animistic in nature. The Sethian Gnostics were much more ab hating this human form than the Valentinians. Overall it was a non dogmatic mystical teaching bc they believed Jesus did not exist (only as celestial flesh). The Nag Hammadi breaks it down. So what I’m gathering here (which is fantastic by the way) is Thursatru is equivalent to Sethians in the Gnostic cosmology and the Rokathru is akin to Valentinian which don’t regard this world as “evil” or more accurately ONLY chaotic, really. I’m a follower of Gnosticism so I’d be considered on the cusp of both Thusatru and Rokathru 😅 to conclude the Gnostic Jesus asserts; the kingdom is within you. Now that is akin to the Monad or the unseen god and not the demiurge (YHVH in particular Torah/Genesis accounts) but passages link Lucifer to Christ in the Bible so in essence also encompassing the true source god.
I would also like to expand on the whole world denying view vs world accepting thing you typical.have 3 types of philosophical views in this world. You have those that agree with John Locke: everyone is born good in nature basically, you have those who agree with Thomas Hobbes: everyone is born evil in nature, and those who agree with Voltaire: Everything is born but it is its environment that shapes it in nature. I agree with Voltaire
I'd have to say that it's all subjective. All babies are born unknowing and therefore "innocent". All babies have instincts to be loved and nurtured. However not all babies have the same threshold to endure pain, frustration or discontentment. These differences vary with each individual child and these differences create differing individual personalities as that child ages and has to encounter those things within their external environment...Also not all children are born with the same core personality traits and those traits emerge in differing ways within all of us. We are all connected because we are all the same species and come from the same source of consciousness but we are also all individuals and all unique in our own way as well. That's what I believe anyway.
@@Hekaterian so you basically agree with Voltaire with that understanding
Hi Arith, thanks for the video. Just curious - did you have a chance to study/compare Hinduism to Nordic Religion? There are few similarities that I'm able to notice but I do want to know from a professional if it's true of if it's all in my head. Would appreciate it if there's a video/read that I can follow to learn more
I have the same question about similarity. I did some digging around on Wikipedia and we do share some roots, but it was so long ago that it's not obvious how you ended up where you are and we ended up where we are. Apparently, our common ancestors seeded many different regional belief systems from the same proto-religion centered around three 'classes' and three main gods (of sky, land, and sea). I'd love to know more details than I was able to piece together, though!
For example, did Thor have a net like Indra? How related are Mjölner and vajras? Perhaps you know this one - is there a primordial world tree in any of the stories of the sanātana dharma?
@@teresaspicer4829 that's right, there are several lores that intersect and there's indeed a primordial tree of life called the "Kalpavriksha" - loosely translates to Tree of Eons (and I couldn't help but connect it to the timeline between 2 Ragnarok) but the epics are vast and dates much older, so I'm not quite sure. Would be happy to know, though
Excellent video. As always
I really enjoy the video, I tend to notice u generalize a lot with Christianity, I feel alot of what people think christianity is is what the church(s) have said done, are saying doing, which is of course a logical way to interpret the Religion but the church(s) are just one body that assume they hold spiritual power and people tend to listen to them, I geuss waht I'm trying to say is that to be christian in the simplest terms is to follow the teachings of Jesus, may peolpe tend to identify with a church's teachings which entails a whole set od dogma and other ideas that aren't necessarily christian but an interpretation or conclusion based on the bible, or even just cultural tradition. So to be christian can mean a very wide array of thing based on who u r talking to. Tom sum it up a church's dogma is not christianity.
The philosophy behind Chaos-Gnostic Satanism (and Ekortu's stream of Thursatru, for that matter) is very contradictory. To me, it makes sense that the focus on the Thurses is a return to the beginning. Yes, it's not technically part of the contemporary Pagan/Heathen current, but it's very animistic and shamanistic in many ways. In that sense, it's a reinvention. I see Thursatru diverging from Chaos-Gnostic thought over time, as it's not exactly compatible with the lore. The author who coined the term Thursatru (correct me if I'm wrong) was once part of the Chaos-Gnostic Satanism scene in Sweden, so his ties to Satanism will likely never be completely severed. However, there are others in different parts of the world with different perspectives on the Thursian current. One author even considers Odin to be very important, while others consider him to be an obstacle. It's all very interesting, and it just shows that we're all individuals trying to make sense of something that we cannot ever fully understand. With this world becoming more unstable, perhaps looking to the beginning is a way of moving forward. Then again, everything is cyclical.
Great video as always, Arith.
Always top video thank you
It's good to have more educated people agreeing that nationalism and racism and hate have no place in any spirituality or belief system. It's stupid, willfully ignorant people who bring it to control others.
Nice video. I would say that it's still paganism, as it's within the realm of germanic/nordic mysticism or polytheism, it's just quasi-spiritual, or more occult, I suppose.
I dont know but it seems like central part of video was repeated.
Thrusutru seems like trying crop the rope of karma and fly away after death
I almost didn't click on this suggestion, because I'm aware of and comfortably familiar with Asatru and Þursatru... and the idea of click-baiting "satanism" in conjunction with these concepts came across as petty and narrow. I'm glad I have an open mind and let my curiosity overtake my bias. You, sir, have a knack for explaining things. I've enjoyed this video, learned from it, and don't regret a minute I spent listening/watching. Thank you, and I'll be looking into your other content.