The Hidden Evil Beneath Titan - 40K Theories
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2024
- According to legend, the fortress monastery of the Grey Knights chapter of the Adeptus Astartes is said to have buried beneath it a great evil - one the identity of which is said to be known only to the warriors of the Purifier Order. If these stories are indeed true, then just what exactly could be hidden away within the bowels of Titan?
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My bet is that the hidden evil is a pristine copy of the novel "Dawn of War".
Hey, I read the novel of Dawn of War, as in the first one, and it was actually pretty good.
Fire Warrior
The hidden evil is the 1 of the 2 lost primarchs not the 11th but the 2nd primarch
Hey I have a copy of my own on me shelf, let's go get it dow- *gets erased via orbital bombardment*
He said EVIL. not ABOMINATION
It's Matt Ward.
May his keepers never fail in their duty.
I have to admit I always assumed it must be demonic; just because Grey Knights are the anti chaos guys. The idea that it's actually a C'tan is very interesting and I like it a lot.
It's me, please let me out.
Get back in your box!
Gork and Mork fear him
How'd you get yourself stuck down there, silly?
@@peterclarke7240we do not speak about it
@@GnrlDillin Ah. One of *those* situations, no doubt revolving around an unlikely series of events involving a faulty pair of trousers, a slippery floor, and a 14" tall scale model of the Eiffel Tower, yes?
Very well. His secret is safe with me.
It makes sense that with all the information held by the GK, they would understand that sometimes they have to make deals along the lines of the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Sort of like the back channels during the Cold War, but with both sides recognizing the real enemy is Chaos.
*Entire moon shakes*
Inquisitor: What in the Emperor's balls was that?
Grey Knight: Some guy? I don't know, I just work here.
The 11th, and darkest, of Col. Sanders herbs and spices😮
In before someone says it's Malal
It's Mala- Oh you sonova!
Dammit it you beat me to it
"He doesn't exist shut up about him"
-Cardinal Decicius the 23rd-
If it's an Artifact- my guess is it's Aladdin's Lamp.
*_"PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS..._*_ itty bitty living space."_
"Titans, go!" - Big E probably
Would that make Ferrus Manus Cyborg and Guilliman Robin?
Yes. Russ would be Beast Boy, Bird Demon Corax would be Raven and Yvraine would be Starfire.
Corrax is Raven😂 Lorgar is Jinx😂
Does that make fulgrim slade
@@WARSMITHAFROW or blackfire......
There is also the chance that perhaps what lays within the chamber might actually be what the Emperor used to make the Primarchs? There is this rumor that the Emperor took several minor "warp" gods with him to create the Primarchs, but perhaps he locked up some on Titan so he might need to make some more later? These warp gods slumber under Titan, but some sometimes wake up and need to be put back to bed by the Purifiers?
I wonder if it could be the Emperor's mass murdering "son", the winged freak before the Blood Angels Primarch.
That Angel was found by a random inquisitor.
@@RobouteGuilliman-M41 You mean the primach before the other 20?
@@XenosImplyer I don't think he was a Primarch, but, yeah, you know who I'm talking about. The last thing I'd heard, he'd been spirited away by Chaos forces, but what if they'd recovered him?
@@RobouteGuilliman-M41as far as I am ware the angel of destruction is still in the dark cells. He was found and brought back there last thing I knew
Can't be any worse than what is hidden beneath the surface of Mars in the Noctis Labyrinth
That could depend on which C'Tan its a shard of it that is the case. I know the Void Dragon is considered the strongest C'Tan but a Deathbringer shard would be pretty scary that close to Terra.
Been following this channel for YEARS. My first real dive into 40k lore was just listening to these videos
What if it's (or something akin to) the Emperors Angel the proto primarch? That thing being let loose is essentially the apocalypse for the Imperium so having the Grey Knights as it's goalers is about as safe as it gets
Considering that it would go all Doom Slayer on anything with the TINIEST bit of chaos corruption it'd make sense you'd have the Purifiers guard it.
Would be funny if the Emperors Angel is actually the grey knight primarch and the whole Emperor geneseed was a lie
@@jesperdenbraven1995 😨🤔🤫
It'd be a pretty rad twist if an enslaved C'Tan shard was the true source of the Grey Knights' Aegis.
Recipe for the emperor's 5 alarm chili. 😮
It’s just hydrochloric acid and beans.
that would explain the earthquakes...
I'm conflicted on the Necron idea only because then you would have 2 incredible powerful C'Tan Shards in the Sol system. Although it is poetic how each would be contained very differently.
Ive got a theory for you mate. It's pretty simple.
Magnus might be the key to resurrecting the emperor.
Lemme break this down.
The golden throne can essentially take pykic energy and use that to spiritually, if not physically preserve and maintain the emperor's life right?
Originally it only took like 100, but we're up to what, a couple thousand by this point right?
So the amount of energy it can extract or implant is variable.
It can vary....what happens if you feed that thing something stronger than a pyker?
Like say, the strongest pyker primarch? Who also happens to not have a physical body anymore and is comprised of pure warp energy?
Magnus, no longer has a soul to consume. Not in the way mortals do. But he probably has the strongest density warp signature in the universe next to a chaos god or the emperor himself.
Think about it, strong emotions are what generates warp energy.
Magnus, betrayed, broken, abandoned, tricked. His hatred, his malice. Of all the Demon primachs, Magnus probably suffered the most and has had the deepest emotional trauma.
And he already has a link to the throne. It was designed for him not the emperor or Malcador to sit on originally.
He was string enough before even becoming a demon to ounch through its wards.
Logically, and more importantly thematically. Sacrificing him specifically to the Throne would make a good a fantastic way to end the lore.
Awesome as always. :)
John Grammaticus, now wouldn't that be interesting?
I wonder if he finished using that ball of string?
I had no idea the Grey Knights would negotiate with aliens but that actually makes sense since they’re all about deamons. I like that idea, I wonder if they even respond to calls for help from alien worlds
They have helped out a craftworld so, maybe.
They have a neuron tesseract vault that holds deamons hostage.
If the daemonic threat there poses a further risk to humanity, I don't see why not...
Yeah they helped a craft world or two at some point.
I mean if a chaos warband seeks an elder artifact for whatever need they may have of it, I'd imagine it's in the knights best interest to stop this from happened regardless of who owns the world or ship. Maybe it would be a three way fight? But I'd wager the knights dealing with the greater evil of chaos and kinda ignoring or parleying with the elder.
This is more like the old you THANX YOU ARE APPRECIATED!!!
I fully acknowledge that this is a reach here but what if the prisoner on Titan is the Emperor? More specifically, the remnants of the Dark King that tried to take over during His battle with Horus?
Being faced both internally and externally with beings who alone could somewhat rival Him in power, it’s not too much of a stretch to say that both were absolutely destroyed as Horus’ soul was, leaving the Emperor’s last personal act to purge His own soul of the presence of the Dark King to be sealed in an already-prepared chamber on Titan, leaving the jailers to be a literal army of the finest Psykers and Warp-resistant beings He could produce at the time?
I'm thinking that it could be a minor warp rift. When Malcador(or maybe it was Big E, I don't know as what was one thought to be established lore is changing up) hid Titan in the warp, they would've needed to open a rift and every once in a while it tries to crack back open, so the Purifies go down there to quell the rift and deal with anything nasty that happens to come out.
That or it's the Emperor's massive pile of shame and the seismic disturbances are caused when that massive pile shifts. The Purifiers go down there to restructure the pile and reassemble any of the unpainted minis that get broken.
The janitor is secretly locked in there .
So you're saying they have a... _Custodian_ in there? ;)
@@40KTheoriesthe Janitarius
had a feeling it involved Titan
yeah me too its in the title 😁😁
I would like to point out that at the end of “Mechanicum” stuff went missing from Dragon’s prison and when the next guardian was drawn to replace the old: “damage had already been done.” Someone might have pulled a blood raven.
I think the most interesting, would be if it was a failed Emperor. Like, Malcador had tried to mold someone into the Master of Mankind before he met Big E, but they failed in their trials against the Chaos Gods. He couldn't destroy them, but he also couldn't let them free, he trapped them on Titan, shrouded it, then tried again with Big E and succeeded. The most terrifying thing on Titan being one of Malcador's greatest shames? Yeah, that'd be cool.
Or it's Big E's next body, he essentially started to be reborn via the normal Perpetual cycle but interrupted it. Leaving his mind latched to the not-dead body, while there is a powerful being with no psyche trapped on Titan. It doesn't have a personality, only reacting to stimulus and basic needs like food, water, etc.
4:40 - That weapon is tormented by that Grey Knight's weaponised autism.
5:30 - Another example is a Greater Daemon of Nurgle, the Great Unclean One Ulkair in Aurelia.
6:24 - Yeah, they're a strong threat that the Ordo Xenos wouldn't be equipped to deal with.
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Likes for the like throne!
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It's Magnus' soul shard / Iainus or Samus.
Also it's kind of funny, Hidden Blade confirms that the Grey Knights do not have the Emperor's geneseed. Most of it is, I think, Mags. The rest is of the eight or their remains.
Or a link to the King in Yellow / Valdor's realm in the Warp.
Would be cool if it was a fallen Primarch
It hold the greatest shame of the Inquisition; Inquisitor, by Ian Watson.
Thanks!
You're welcome!
Big E's secret homevideo archive: My vacation with Ramses II, Pranking Napoleon at Waterloo, Cybernetic Revolution bloopers, Primarchs as drooling toddlers...
I didn't know that the C'tan also consumed the bodies of the Necronteer. In any event, what if one of the lost Primarchs is imprisoned there?
It's an instance of consolidating differing sources and claims. 3rd edition lore states the C'tan ate just the Necrontyr's bodies. 5th - 8th edition said it was their life force, and 9th onwards changed it to their souls.
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I thought it was always the soul@@40KTheories
Trazyn: "Ok, you look after my doggo, and I'll give you some pokeballs in return."
Knights: "Wha...?"
Trazyn: "See? You not getting that is why I preserve history."
Love the new intro
Thank you, but it's not _that_ new. It's been like that for about a year now hehe
Since all the stuff they needed was there I am theorizing their fortress monastery was built around the prison or possibility the capturing of this was part of their initial training when they/Titan went into the Warp.
An interesting thing that is a bit out there but cool is either starchild, kept there so it doesn‘t unify with the emperor‘s body too soon since we know the emperor wants to not be reborn yet.
Or and that may actually be explicitly have been made impossible but I don‘t believe it is… malcador. He is a true perpetual and the second or third strongest of them. He died on the throne but as far as I know he might still come back at some point. Maybe he already has and he knew that he would need to be contained for some reason and thus put orders for his own imprisonment in place when he put the knights on titan. A bit tinfoil hat ofc but it‘s something new and cool atleast
In before someone says; It holds Matt Ward. lol
What would Matt Ward’s self-insert be?
@@robertnelson9599 That would make a fun April Fool's what-if.
@@robertnelson9599 TTS version of Cato Sicarius
A C'Tan shard being the source of the Grey Knights' most advanced anti-Warp tech would be hilariously apropos. I bet the Deathwatch would love to know more about any supposed Grey Knight-Necron links.
With the chamber and host of Astartes already in cryo-stasis on Titan apparently way prior to the Heresy, I think the hidden chamber is either of the II or XI Legion Primarchs. Or perhaps even the shard of Magnus he needs to return to his whole good self. Imagining a Primarch/Legion that's the 'match' for Magnus and the Thousand Sons in terms of psychic potential, but had to be locked away and the Astartes given the Big E's own geneseed to correct for the mutating trigger also found in the TS.
12:57 what if the cacadominus was never actually killed?
My only issue with the C'tan theory is that I thought exposure to the warp was like poison to a C'tan and that it killed them. If this is true, surely it couldn't be a C'tan because Titan is constantly submerged in the Warp
It´s probably Mickey Mouse. If that foul beast escapes, it will consume the whole 40K universe, leaving nothing but a souless husk.
Random supportive comment for my friend despite not being interested in 40K.
Thanks.
It is a wheel. A Wheel of CHEESE! Real stinky cheese! Anything GW does is cheese.
So GW is Sheogorath? Makes sense.
With Olanius Person being the last Christian in the lore, do you think JC was a real thing in the 40K universe? Since he was around for some 45-50k years, he would have seen so much of human history and somehow, around for 33 AD he came across something that he would hold dear for the next 40ish millennia.
Edit: I don't mean this in any religious or philosophical way. Just lore-wise.
I believe it has been implied that JC was one of the many lives of the Emperor.
@@rigelcummins1460where? I would like to see that.
Don't forget that the Triarch Pretorians didn't go into Stasis. And actually cultivated cukts worshipping the Necrons. So it could have been them who treated with the Grey Knights.
The Sol system is actually just the far future headquarters of the SCP foundation, seeing as Terra, Mars and Titan contain more Keter type shit than any other place in the galaxy.
I am pretty much imagining the 40k equivelant of the Containment Unit in the Ghostbusters firehouse.
The GK deciding to just shove daemons in it so they arent loose in the warp.
But when hell is full, the daemons shall walk the Earth
I always like the idea that it was the Prototype Primarch under titan.
From how powerful a C'tan is, as described very well in the end part of The Infinite and The Divine, or Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work, if Titan began having siesmic activity due to it's bonds lessening I doubt they could do much to stop it at that point. However, it might be a corrupted piece of Golden Age technology, that they are attempting to find a way to purge of Chaos corruption. Maybe an entire corruptes STC. Now, why the Emperor would've allowed such a thing to keep existing within the Sol system brings up alot of problems aswell.
I think it's the second primarch.
While a C'tan is possible, we know there's one on Mars, and the duplication just seems too mundane. Likewise, a great demon is possible, and fits with the Grey Knights' mandate, but...
We have a reasonable suspicion that the Eleventh primarch is "Subject 11", constrained below the Palace on Terra. But if the Second primarch were corrupted by a demonic influence, perhaps in a similar way to Eisenhorn's foe / ally Cherubael, it would make perfect sense for him to be imprisoned within Titan by the Grey Knights.
Maybe the angel exterminatus, or even (albeit unlikely,) part of the corrupted horus?
Other then the Lost Primarchs, were any of the other of the 20 unaccounted for by this time?
When did Jagatai go missing in the latest lore?
The warp entity formerly known as Malcador. If you cross-reference Titan's moonquakes accounting for warp dilation effects and relativity you'll see they align precisely with reported sightings of the Legion of the Damned.
ALGORITHM
The tomb of one of the lost primarchs. The one that went missing when they found the ancient Necron/C'tan artifact. I believe he was the one with the faultiest gene-seed and lived miserably as a result. He had the chance to become a Necron and took it. Disaster ensued.
Wasn't one of the missing Primarchs allegedly corrupted by something during the Rangdan Xenocides? Could it be them?
I'm calling it the iron grimoire is the inquisition war trilogy special edition and they have Ian Watson locked in their basement:)
Well the Purifiers seem to indicate it's some sort of Warp Entity. Erdra(Sp), the Primarchs genetic mother? Perhaps an ancient Terran god? A Shard of Magnus, or even Janus himself perhaps? There's just not enough to go on besides "Moon-shaking" and "Purifiers".
Or, just throwing this out there, it's not 'individual', so much as a 'Place'. As in an entrance to the King in Yellows domain that has to be stabilized periodically by the purest of psykers to avoid the notice of Chaos?
I think it could be a Warp entity, one that is more of an angel and not a demon, one that is very weak. Or an alder god that is also weak. The quakes the moon gets could be from powerful demons trying to come and kill it so their masters would have ultimate power of the Warp.
Maybe it's one of the lost Primarchs! Many of the Primarchs have "twins" in some of their aspects, like Sanguinius and Kurze both having foresight, or both Vulkan and Ferrus Manus (and Perty, and Fulgrim) being incredibly gifted craftsmen, or Perturabo and Dorn being two sides of the same siege warfare coin. But Magnus was the single gifted psyker, despite such abilities being incredibly important in the upcoming fight against chaos? The Emperor was a shit father but he had more foresight than that, so it makes sense that more Primarchs would have had incredible psychic potential. Since we don't know of such potential in the Primarchs we do know about, it has to be in one of the missing ones.
I think the idea that it's a ctan of some sort is very interesting given that Szarekh claimed to have met Sanguinius in life. Is it possible then that Szarekh himself might have been involved with whatever the hell is under Titan?
Could be one of the 2 forgotten Primarch's.
So my thought might be too obvious but could it be the legionaries of the thousand sons that were locked in stasis because of the flesh change. Or one of the lost primarchs?
I think its the cosmological horror known as chibi cthulu whos mind turns everything into cute
Probs Grey Knights version of their very own Tyberos.
It's 100% the Doom Slayer guy. The ultimate demon slayer being held in stasis by other demon slayers until he is needed most. And my theory is that the terminus decree says to release him and let him do his thang but only when there is no other option.
My guess is that it is the shard of Magnus that became bonded with Revuel Arvida to create Janus.
Hear me out! It's a teenagers bedroom - CHAOS
My money is on one of Chaos' most successful tools... Leman Russ.
One of the two missing Primarchs. They are called the Lost and the Damned.
It could be the Engine of Woes containing Corvus Corax
I feel it’s Malcador gone mad from his time spent on the throne. Not dead after all.
In the Chamber is the corrupted Emperor who fell to temptation while fighting Horus. The husk on the throne is a dead primarch
Examine the name of the moon, Titan. The gods who came before the gods. I think the great evil imprisoned within is a surviving Old One. This is the crown jewel of the collection of Trazin the Infinite. I'll even put forward that Trazin is the Necron Lord who provided the Grey Knights with the tesseract prisons. The Grey Knights are scouring the galaxy and collecting more "treasures" for Trazin's collection. After all some have theorized that Trazin made the Blood Ravens to collect things for him, so it would not be first time.
Its Malal for sure, the emperor clearly knew he was the real threat and sent his best
If it's not an exceptionally powerful Warp-entity, why would it be the Purifiers specifically that act as his wardens? Are the C'tans able to corrupt mortals?
No, I think it's a creature of Chaos, one much more powerful than a "simple" Greater Daemon and who is conspicuously absent from 40K... Hashut the Father of Darkness.
We know from age of Sigmar that it's possible to capture a Chaos God, but as a minor one, I imagine Hashut wouldn't need restraints as powerful as Slaanesh's, and that would explain why Vashtorr can go around stealing his thunder.
The C'tan are able to control the minds of mortals, so that could be a reason why the Purifiers are chosen to be its gaolers if it is indeed a C'tan. But yes, a daemon would be the simplest explanation.
Malcador. He lives.
How about being the dark king, the shard of the emperor. That the emperor casted off during the siege of terra.
The proto Primark "the angel "
It's definetly a female version of Constantine Valdor
So... Constance Valdor? Or Constantina?
@@40KTheories Constantina for sure
Constanta
Maybe a shard of Magnus, released after Janus died.
One of the missing Prinarks who was made a Demon Primark.
Dude...there are Like 5 of them already
Hitler’s missing ball.
The purged second primark!
Alright hear me out. What if it's one of the Lost Primarchs (or both of them?)
It's the shard of magnus
I like the c'tan idea.
It's obviously Bojack, The Space Pirate
It's one of the missing Primarchs 2 or 11
Imagine the sons of Malal warband decided to show up to titan
They'd have to fight all the female custodes hanging out first.
Its a Catan most likely, perhaps that one that cannibalized its kin
a lost or purged primarch :P
Shaun the Warp Entity maybe
It’s not Evil, it’s Malcador the Perpetual
Possibly Samus, just for sh*ts and giggles?
Don't know what became of it after the Horus Heresy; do we have a canon "ending" for that?
Spoilers for End and The Death
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Loken killed him. Then Erebus killed Loken, which then caused Samus to be born in the first place.
@@40KTheories And that is just silly.
@@gothpunkboy89Not really, my personal head cannon is that the Warp is self correcting.
When an entity is created, Chaos gods being the prime example, they retcon themselves into always having existed. e.g.
Slanesh never existed, until the point where they fully manifested, when that happened they were retconned into always having existed.
Samus is Destroyed, no longer exists
Then Samus is birthed, so now they have always existed.
Sorry this has all gotten out of hand, TLDR
My head cannon is that warp entities basically retcon themselves into past events when they first manifest, warp is timeless and the material universe very much enjoys a bit of time; things get very messy when the two interact.
@@40KTheoriesHis first thought being "oh no, not again"
@@AlzranMac If they retcon themselves as always existing then true death can't happen. Yet it is established that true death is possible. Be it under very specific circumstances.