@@surfininmy40s agreed. Boardshop UK is one of the worst. Every board seems to be a perfect mix of what you need 🙄 Stop marketing boards and focus and helping us all catch more waves and have more fun
yeah, i can see how this board would compliment a pool. good pulled in tail for the steep pocket but wide for that soft section out of pocket. I probably should have used it at Waco. :(
Nice review and nice smooth style. I have a 5’6 too (I’m 5’7 - 150 lbs) Fully agree with what you said: works also in small surf but you need fairly good waves. I have the one with 5 fin boxes and I ride it mostly as a quad, but now I’m thrilled to try it as a 2+1
Agree completely with your review on the Hypto. I have the 5'8. 2 plus 1 is next level. Doesn't grovel in weak mush. Overhead waves, medium HS fins as a thruster goes good.
I have the 6’2” and use it as a step up when the waves are way overhead. It works magically up north around Santa Cruz and typically ride it as a quad. Down here in South OC it doesn’t get in the water much. Great board, but you’re spot on. The Seaside, or Dominator 2 are definitely a better choice. I need way less size and volume down here too.
My only pet peeve about this board is that it was only set up as a thruster. I would love to have had the quad option. Maybe I will get rid of it and look for one that has a five fin option so I'm not locked in to a trifin setup. ☹️
My favorite board is a board marked as a beginner board. It's a Modern Highline by Global Surf. I say this because Hyptos and this board are high volume for length designs. Difference is the Highline is a thruster with back foot focus. They're cheap, you should try this at the risk of looking like a kook. Cheers and thanks for the awesome vlogs👍
I don't mind kooking out. keeps me honest and humble. I am going to try a sessions vlog switch footing an entire session. I was also looking at some boards from Surftech that are pretty cheap but look ok. All under $400 which now a days is a huge bargain.
This is a really dialed video. I think it hits a perfect "everyday" conditions demographic that somehow tends to gets fairly over looked in reviews, so thanks for that. I'm curious do you apply your .2 ratio to all of your "performance" board liter choices or is it groveler specific? Thanks
mostly grovelers. Based on design of the board, if the board has more width in the tail, I can do less volume. my grovel range is 27 to 28.5. I think I am closer to .19 right now, especially if it is EPS and has better buoyancy.
I’m thinking of getting a slightly oversized Hypto for big wintertime swell at Bolsa Chica and HB. I find a regular step-up shortboard feels too slow on the face of those big, deep water waves. And even when there’s a ton of swell out there at Bolsa, I find it difficult to paddle into waves on my shortboards. You almost always need some kind of higher volume, flatter rocker board at Bolsa it seems.
A potential hazard, though, might be trying to duck-dive an oversized Hypto on a big day. I’m afraid I won’t be able to sink it deep enough to get under a mountain of whitewater.
I’m 5’11 and 175 lbs and was looking at a 5’11 Hypto with 135 liters. Most my boards are around 30 liters, but I do enjoy a couple of fishier shapes in the 132-135 liter range.
@@jeffvandenburgh6325 in my honest opinion, i think the board is best at a height shorter than you are tall. I'm 5'8 and rode the 5'4 which seemed perfect for me. The 5'6 that is in this vide is great but needed a punchier wave. I also tested a 6' which was way too big and it was boaty. Comparing that to my 6' Sunday, my Sunday was at least maneuverable. I would say if you are getting a super good deal, then go for it. but if not, might not want to go this route, I think it will be very sluggish. What's the ultimate goal of oversizing? small waves, more waves. I think you will get more waves but then lose performance and it won't go well in the really small stuff or softer stuff.
I like the HK best as a 2+1, maybe cuz of the tail, it comes off like a twin pin but definitely need a stabilizer. I think the MR's with trailer would go great.
it's probably perfect. One board quiver for a place like that. Good for catching smaller waves but also can pull into a 8' barrel. I think it is a great choice.
Great review as always! You mentioned there are better options for small soft waves. What boards are you thinking? Small and soft is what I surf 90% of the time. I'm high intermediate level, looking to progress my carves and top to bottom surfing more. (i'm 5'8 and 145lb, so very close to you size wise, but definitely not as good)
anything with a wider tail for sure. The mashup, the seaside, El Tomo. Sorry i'm only listing Firewires. I am trying to get on more variety. Hoping to tackle a better list of shapers. Most every board I tested with the exception of the Neckbeard3 and the Glazer to a lesser extent would work better. The neckboard tail is similar in that it is meant for better waves. The glazer is a tad better than the HK but not by much in the soft stuff. if 90% of your waves are soft, the HK might not be the best option. if you said you were looking for a step in better bigger conditions, then the HK would be a good option. What boards do you have now? and what do you like vs dislike.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for the response. I have a seaside but I've been disliking how wide the nose is. I find I always catch the rail near the front when turning. I know all small wave boards will have a bit of width up front but the seaside seems to have a wider nose than most. And I could probably fix the issue of catching the rail over time by improving my technique, but I'm after a board that's a bit more aimed at tighter turns anyway. I was thinking the Channel Islands Rocket Wide, the Mashup or the JS Sub Xero. Any thoughts or favorites on those ones? Or any other boards you'd consider?
@@12ffoeg one more point. the height to length ratio is probably different on all those boards too. example: for me if i were to be looking at a 27 liter board, Mashup would be 5'4", Rocket Wide 5'6, Xero 5'6 or 5'7. Point being, shorter wide grovels better, longer rail line turns better (not to be confused with easier, rocker helps with this). as you get better at turning, a bit more rail in the water allows you to hold a turn longer. As for recommendations, I don't have a lot of experience with boards other than the ones I have evaluated but generally speaking, I think for what you are looking for, mashup and RW are good choices. I would avoid the Xero for now. For us regular surfers, something like the xero is actually our performance board. I would never buy a pro performance board or pro model. Maybe a pro groveler and even they are a tad to racey for me.
@@ThomyeSurfs First thing first, great video. Secondly, I would ask if you recommend a Sunday as valid option for small and weak conditions up to head high. I'm 170cm/70kg, looking to progress from my 8'0 soft top. Eventually, what size (length/liters) should I look for? Thanks a lot!
@@Spider2029 at your weight and progression, one very important thing you want to set as a limit is something you can duckdive, otherwise, you'll never learn to get out on big consistent days. relative to my weight, I would say you should get something around 40 to 42 liters of volume depending on your paddle strength. My limit at 64kg is about 38 to 40 Liters. If you have friends with much smaller boards, I would practice duck diving techniques on something with way less volume. Learning to duckdive on a bigger board is difficult and results in bad technique. The Sunday is a good option but there may be better ones out there. the 6' sunday is 38L while the 6'4 is 44L. you are right in between. Transitioning off a 8', the 6'4 is likely the better choice. Again, depends on your fitness. The one thing about the Sunday is the volume distribution. it is sensitive to paddling. Some people have had difficulty with that. If your break doesn't require a lot of duckdiving, a great option might be the MOE by firewire. Watch Harley Ingleby it and you will be blown away at how maneuverable that board is. Another option might be the 5'8 Sweet Potato 2. that is 41L, super wide but short. Short makes it easier to learn to turn. Hope that helps. If you demo any of these boards, I highly recommend it.
In 2019 winter to spring 2020 I was addicted to one (5'6")! Later I found on slow waves I had a hard time keeping my reentries with momentum so I sold it hence your theory! Please trust me ....... Cymatic is the ULTIMATE "one board quiver" for me.
@@papamarban2185 forget quads ....... the ultimate magic are the K2.1 fin template by FCS. Compatible are WCT by Futures, Kommunity KS 2.1 (my choice). Pacific Vibrations KS 2.1.
@@ThePokersurfer I have the futures WCT and the and the KS endorfins (tried the endorfins as a quad)- will try to experiment with the thruster set up again.
@@papamarban2185 honestly the quad did nothing for me in fact I tried to sell it after trying it as a quad as Noel suggested but thank God no one bitt so by pure luck experimented with my favorite all time set up and was BLOWN away ....... top 5 surfboards of all time for sure!
carves way better on the HK. My modern 2 had more drive and was better down the line in flat sections. So connecting sections was easier. But definitely the HK turns on a dime and so smoothly.
I think so. it depends on how big you are planning to surf them. a beginner low end intermediate who might be thinking to get the HK really big, they are basically turning it into an uber groveler but since it is longer, it might be tight and clunky. that same person could get the TB shorter but get more volume making the board better. In both cases, it is set up for small waves. oversizing this board works but I don't think it is the best option.
Great video and commentary. Do you think the Hypto twin fin would grovel better than the Hypto pin tail (original), both of the same volume? I’m high end intermediate level and looking for a small wave performance board that’ll catch 1-3’ waves easily and do well in those conditions, but also perform in shoulder to head high. So not really looking for a true mush groveler… a slight step up from that. I’m usually surfing cobble reef and point breaks in SoCal. Thanks!
I don't think it will paddle or catch waves any better to be honest, they are identical minus the tail and fin configuration. In terms of surfing, it would grovel a tad better since twins usually have more drive cuz the rail line is straighter back making the end tail point wider. so it would grovel better from that perspective. I guess riding a keel in small and switching it up to a narrower twin for bigger waves could work. I haven't surfed it so I don't know for sure but that is my take based on the design of the board.
From one Goofy to another -- Surfing looks really sharp! I had a Hypto many years ago (until a leash snap ended the board against some rocks). Currently have a seaside and mashup but looking to round out the quiver with a final board to handle a bit more power and range (with some similar feels). These boards may not be at all comparable.... but it seems the El Tomo Fish also offers a lot of hold and performance in larger waves while also having that same hybrid shape of the Hypto has and is intriguing. Any way you could offer a brief comparison of these and your thoughts on two different models and what you might recommend to a standard, intermediate surfer? Thanks!
I think the hypto is definitely a better board when it comes to scalability. It can handle much bigger waves better and the narrow tail along with the heavier tail rocker allows you to set the rail and carve better. The el tomo handles slightly bigger waves than the seaside and mashup but I fear that if the waves got super punchy, the wide tail could become an issue. I rode my el tomo a bit bigger than I should have. You have the small to medium waves pretty well covered with the seaside and mashup. So if you're looking for the other end of the spectrum you might consider something like the Revo versus an el tomo. I have not tested it but just on paper it makes sense. I have a friend who just purchased one and I'm hoping to be able to borrow and review it soon but only if she lets me.
@@ThomyeSurfs Good input per usual. Kinda thought the same -- just liked the look of the El Tomo. Revo is interesting -- kinda hard to pin point where it sits in a quiver -- daily driver maybe?
@@smacrae7 supposedly. depends on how big you get it I guess. ET could be a daily. Still my favorite board backhand. My daily has been the Mashup. I think my new step up will be the Sharpeye FT. I only had one session on it but it felt like a lit up Mashup. Just needs either bigger or punchier waves.
just note that the glazer is a shorter wider package for its relative volume than the hypto. Having said that, if your wave is softer go Glazer, if your wave it punchier or barrels, hypto. :)
Great review! I am 5’7”, 180lbs intermediate surfer. I think I need to go a bit longer to get enough volume. Do you think 5’9 or 5’10 would still be a good option for me with quad set up?
at 180, i'd say no. it might not be enough unless you have a very strong paddle. I rode mine at 28L and I weigh 145. so the ratio there is .193. if we take .193 and multiply by your weight, 180, you get 35L. the 5'10 does come close but again, it will depend on your paddle strength. 5'11 is better volume but then the board is getting quite long. what are you surfing now?
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks man. I am currently riding JS Black Baron 5’10 PU (35L). I was wondering, because of HK’s front volume, how hard it would be for someone with my height to control longer ones like 5’11 or 6’
@@hironodoubt4780 I'm 5'8 but and surfed the 6'2 HK and didn't like it. I did a video comparing the 6'2 HK to the 6'0 Sunday. it wasn't an apples to apples comparison but you can see how the longer HK is too sluggish. Having said that, the 6'2 was just way to long. 5'10 might be easier but the outline, wide point front from center, plus the volume, will make the board seem even longer. the JS BB is a twin if I'm not mistaken and twins have their own challenges. given you are on a JS, i would consider the sub xero to be honest. it's almost the same outline as the BB but has a friendlier fin configuration (5 fin boxes), also from what I can tell, it has a slightly bigger volume to height ratio. The bb is made to be a performance twin so it is thinner. If you wanted roughly the same volume, you can go 5'9, taking an inch off the rail length but get .5 L more. I would think this would help with progression more. Personally, I didn't love the HK, it went well for turns cuz of the rounded pin but when the waves got smaller, the narrow tail made it tougher to generate speed. By small I mean sub 2' waves.
Thank you so much!! I really appreciate your advice. Because of my height/weight, looking for a new board always gives me a headache. I’ll definitely keep an eye on Sub-Xero for my next purchase. Since I haven’t tried many brands other than JS, I would like to know If there is any other good all rounder short board option (like HK) for my height/weight (including paying extra for custom orders). By the way I’ve watched your video comparing HK and Sunday. Do you think if the 6’2 HK was a twin or a twin pin, it would have been more comparable to Sunday? Meaning more enjoyable with its over 6’ length? Or are they still quite different? Thanks!
@@hironodoubt4780 if I remember, there was a big width difference. Also, look at the firewire Mashup, it is very similar to the Sub Xero except it is likely a tad flatter, better for smaller waves but still work well in medium waves. It's volume to height ratio is similar to the Black Baron except you would be on Helium which floats way better. You could possibly go 1" shorter. shorter with the 5 fin option will go easier than a twin. it might help with progression a bit more. having said that, since you have a BB around that height, you might also consider something like a Sweet Potato as an uber groveler. Then you would have a really good option for small soft waves. a board that is really short but skatey and fun. you could go as short as 5'4 to get the same volume. difference being it is all under your chest vs spread out over 6'. it is nice to have different types of boards too. the sx and the mashup are similar to the bb in terms of outline but better as all arounder cuz of fins. the sweet potato is completely different.
anything with a wider tail, back when I did the review, I was thinking of the Seaside, Twice Baked, Rocket Wide, etc. For a place like Bolsa Chica, most soft smaller waves, or big and soft, that narrow tail required the surfer to push hard. so if you are a power surfer, the HK is a good option, but most of my friends aren't at that level. They don't push with their back foot at all. :( I too only use my back foot slightly so wider tails work for me best. Now with more recent reviews. Mashup is good, the White Tiger, etc. Hope that helps. For a very heavy back foot or advance surfer, the HK and something like the GSkate works for them cuz it gets them into soft small waves but then they push so hard, the narrower tails are preferable.
@@ApoorvBisht it's a board I still want to test. :) I know it has been around a while but it's still around so it would be good for people to compare. Hoping to get my hands on one my size.
Hypto. But they are so different. One is wide point forward and the other is wide point back. But in the range you mentioned, there is a lot of overlap.
Sorry, just saw your intermediate level. The dom2 will feel looser even if you ride it bigger. The HK will feel tight when ridden bigger. Hope that makes sense.
They are different. From a volume perspective, at 28/29 Liters, the Glazer comes in at 5'3" while the HK comes in at 5'6". While the Glazer is made for for groveling in general, the HK is fun in the front and all business in the back. Under certain conditions they ride the similar like small fat but as the waves get punchy, the HK has a much higher ceiling. If you surf a break that can get big and punchy, HK all the way. If you surf smaller softer waves, either or, but having said that, in the smaller softer stuff choosing between the two, it depends on if you like a short stubby chunky board vs a slightly longer rail line with thinned out rails. The HK has knifey rails. Hope that helps. Having said all that, FW looks like they are discontinuing the Glazer. I have seen them in the shops for $499 US to $599. HK's are $750+ so that could be a decision factor.
Love the review- super helpful as the HK is one of the boards I was looking at getting. I also surf at Bolsa - recently been riding a Pyzel Gremlin 5’11 @34.9L . I like the maneuverability when I’m up but struggle to catch waves a lot of times. Thinking I may need a few more liters- I’m 5’8, 160lbs. Any suggestions?
quick question. when you say you struggle to catch waves, is this all the time in any conditions or is it just when the waves are smaller and/or softer? Also, what is your skill level? The gremlin looks like a great groveler on paper. Comparing the HK to the Gremlin, they seem to be almost identical in terms of volume to height and width. The HK may have a very slight and I'm talking very slight on paper advantage. this sort of advantage would not be noticeable. The advantage might be the volume is forward so it is more under the chest. Although it helps with paddling around, catching waves might not be any different. Again, too slight to actually make a difference. The only other factor is buoyancy. Future Flex is more buoyant than PU which could factor in a tad. But all in all, they are too similar. For softer waves and catching waves in general, buoyancy and width of a board is very helpful if paddle strength is unchanged. Don't confuse liters with buoyancy. Liters is just a starting point. Remember a surfboard made of lead has the same liters of volume as one made of foam. Lead will just sink and can't be surfed. haha Anyways, my point is, try and pick a technology that might give you a slight advantage for buoyancy without changing other factors. My issue with sizing up boards is that once you go too long, the foil (volume distribution) changes and isn't suited for the surfer. I'm 5'8 so surfing a longer boards make the board feel unnatural. Since you and I are the same height, our stance will be similar, therefore, you should be surfing boards that are in my height range. Where you can break this rule is when going for something that is designed longer. Take for instance the Mid6. it's 7' long but made for people in and around 5'8 to 6'. If you went out and surfed the mid6 at 7' long it would surf better than say buying a 6'4 hypto. They are both about the same liters and roughly the same buoyancy but the HK is made and stretched out for a taller person. Anyways, sorry for the long explanation. You have 2 ways to go, either go shorter wider at the same liters so that you are surfing a board made for your height (Firewire Sweet Potato or twice baked - these board are flatter so correct height isn't as relevant, also lost puddle jumper or bean bag). All these will be shorter than the gremlin but have more width at the same volume. Width will plane into waves easier/quicker. Easy proof of that is a skim board. No volume but that is why a skim boarder will turn the board sideways to take advantage of the width which planes easier. Or go longer but a board that your height won't factor in. MOE for instance. I watch Harley Ingleby surf that and am amazed at how much performance he can pull from it. Food for thought. chime in with other variables. things like how you want to surf, what you want to improve on, etc.
Thanks for the feedback- definitely some good points to think about. I would say my skill level is low level intermediate and my goal is to continue progressing to shorter boards. The struggle I’m having catching waves is mainly when the conditions are fat and slow- I think my position in the lineup is part of the problem as I’m used to catching waves earlier on higher volume/longer boards sitting further outside. As I have been adjusting and sitting in closer it’s been a bit better. It seems the Gremlin I have should be a good size for me based on my height/weight but just thinking at my skill l might be better with your suggestions of Baked Potato, Puddle Jumper, etc might be better since shorter and wider. Would you also recommend the Seaside? For these would you suggest I increase volume a bit to around 38L or so? Thanks
@@znxyy933 I would definitely recommend the Seaside. The seaside scales very well, I have ridden several sizes up and all have surprised me. the cool thing about the seaside is that you could get the 5'7 or 5'8 which would take off 3" to 4" of length. Better for learning turns etc. They are over an 1" wider and the volume is forward so it will paddle a bit better and catch waves a bit better. "a bit". I personally can't tell the difference unless it is at least 2L. Having said that, Helium tech is more buoyant inherently so something like the 5'8 will likely be a good switch. I wouldn't not go taller than your height on this board. One thing that people forget often is that when you have 2 boards with the same liters but one is shorter, the shorter board crams more of it under where it counts. Tall boards have it in the nose which doesn't help with anything, paddling or catching. So don't size up too much. The seaside will turn easier than the sweepee and/or twice baked. I have not surfed a puddle jumper or bean bag so I can't speak to those.
Appreciate the further help- this really gives me good direction. Based on your UA-cam reviews and my friends raving about their Seasides, I’ve been thinking about getting one but wasn’t sure what size to get- your suggestion and explanation is super helpful. I’ll definitely work on buying one of these. Thanks!
Great review :) I oversized this by a mile because it was an ex rental from the wavepool so a great oportunity. Now the excess volume is hinedring while at the beginning it helped (thnk I am 165 and bought a 6'8 coming down from a mini mal). These seem like the waves I am usually on. You say if this is your environment "there are better options" which would those be in your opinion? Cheers from Melbourne
Yes, better options in softer waves would include the Seaside, any Potato, the Hydra, etc. Anything wider with a wider tail. In softer waves, those attributes would be better for groveling.
I see all of these have a super flat rocker. Would a bit more help? (Lost puddle jumper or 7s double down) The equipment part of it all is so daunting. Reviews like yours really help
@@Marwaves not for groveling. if you are looking to surf softer flatter waves, the less rocker is better. less drag from the curve of the board. too much nose rocker makes the board push water. too much tail rocker when driving on your front foot creates drag. The seaside is great because it does give you a slight pit of tail rocker but the overall rocker is smooth with no real flat sections. but the board is generally flatter so it is a good combination of speed and maneuverability. The potato line of boards are all flatter with littler tail rocker so turning on the tail feels like pushing water. still works great, but not as smooth. One thing to also remember is that if your wave has a lot of curve (punchy hollow waves), then a board with more rocker is faster in the pocket and the steeper sections. But when that board gets in the flats, it will push water and drag. Hope that made sense. Anyways, one last note about the seaside, I have found that it surfs really well throughout the size of the board. Meaning, some boards, like the hypto surfs great at smaller/shorter lengths and totally different at longer lengths. With the seaside, I have surfed the 5'2, 5'3, 5'4, 5'5, 5'7, and even a 5'10 and all are very easy to surf. as it gets bigger they get clunky as expected but the ride characteristics are still similar, easy to turn with lots of drive. I'm not trying to push you into a seaside but it is the board I probably know best. I'm currently loving my Mashup and my the Sharpeye Inferno FT in Dark Arts but that one is a performance board and I would not use it as a groveler.
Thats amazing. Thanks for the long explanation :)))) I was looking into it. Im doing a bit of wavepool lately as we are getting summer waves here. I went in after I sent you my last message with my big boy hypto. The problem with it for me is the skinny tail coming from a fish. I found that it made me separate my legs sometimes when doing the last hard paddles in, making it tougher to not pop up late (more like impossible). I guess the narrow tail does not help balance (as in not wobbling sometimes). Once on my feet no problem. Mind you we are talking about a gigantic 52 liter epoxy version of it. Im floating so much moving it around/navigating is tougher; hence looking at the snapper fish or 7s double down initially. (Ive never seen a tail like that). Im definitely looking at the seaside! Thanks for taking the time to put together that explanation. Im a converting snowboarder and bodyboarder and the equipment part of it is so daunting! Im doing a lot of Melbourne pool for progress Cheers!
the are relatively similar. hypto is more performance since it is less volume to height. the glazer is more grovel cuz it is more volume to height. I would put the glazer 2' to 6'pretty much any shape, soft or punchy, the hypto is more like 2.5' to 10' good to punchy shape. not the best is soft waves. but it also depends on how big you ride it.
Hi, thanks for the VClip. If I am 200 Pouns and intermediate Hi level. Should I buy a the 6'0 36 L HK ? I what It to be my performance G... for good small 1 to 4 F waves.
How tall are you? with a lot of boards even if the liters work, sometimes if you aren't tall enough, then you are out of the sweet spot design of the board. I surfed the HK around .2 of my weight. At about 140lbs, that put me at 28L. I could have surfed it at 25L. Taking your weight and doing the same, that will put you around .18 to .2. so 36L to 40L. The 6' would be on the low end for you as a performance groveler but if you have a good paddle and you are good about catching waves (timing), then it should be fine. Again, height becomes a factor though.
Thanks for the review. I’m looking for a board when Bolsa gets bigger in the fall/winter. Do you recommend this board or something else? Right now I ride a 5’5” seaside and 5’6” mashup.
What is you height? If you end up getting a longer version it puts the wide point in volume too far Ford. Which could potentially make the board feel much tighter. All these characteristics have limits so sometimes, one characteristic might be helpful at one height but hurtful in another. If that's making sense. If you're tall and light this is a great board. If you're short and heavy this potentially is not a good board for you.
@@mikedemaster6751 it's the perfect board for you. You want to ride this board probably 3 to 4 in shorter than you and I think that version is probably the correct liters for you weight. When the waves get good at Bolsa this thing works really well. I had a couple steeper sections today where I stepped on the tail and did some really really late top turns and felt like I gouged The Wave in half. Granted, most of my other waves sucked because the ways were too soft. But I sort of knew that going in so didn't have big expectations. 😜
Hey! Nice review! could you help me? I've been thinking about buying a HK 6'0, I'm 5'8 and weigh 140lbs, my level of surfing is lower intermediate. Do you think I'll be fine with a 6'0 or should I buy a smaller size? I am currently using a 6'6 MF Beastie.
the 6'0 is 36.33L. I tested the 6'2 in one of my video, it was a friends board. At the time, I weighed 140lbs as well. I found that board to be too big for maneuvering. It was great for catching waves. what exactly are you working on. If you want to do soft bottom turns and elongated turns, it will be fine but if you are trying to progress and tighten up your turns, it might be too big. Also, what kinds of waves do you surf? beach break, reef break, soft, punchy?
Thank you for Such a great review. I’m a bit lost with what board I need now as so many out there and thought this one will work but think I’m not quite full intermediate yet but I’m learning to progress and practice turns in any surf I can find but nothing more than over head, what would you recommend? I was looking at seaside as a mid light like a 6ft but not sure just having a quad set up? People say get a fish but which one ? Anyway I’d love any help please 🙏 I probably won’t do anything less than 45-41 litres
Seaside is a great option. I know you mention you don't want to go under 41L but you probably don't need to go as big as 6'. 5'10 at the biggest depending on how tall you are, it has a lot of liters under your chest and it is wide. And remember that a 5'10 with 40L under your body is as effective as a 6'6 with 50L (lots of wasted liters in the nose where it doesn't really help you). Also, the Seaside is a fish but unlike classic fishes, it turns way better and is super user friendly. Proven time and time again from so many intermediates out there. What are you on now? And are your waves punchy or soft?
@@ThomyeSurfs I’m 5’8 and 58kg if that helps to suggest a good volume:) I’m currently on Little Marley by Mike Fanning 5’11 that’s 45l. I guess I’m still working on my strength hence the logic on more volume 🤣 i thought more volume in the nose is easier paddle? Anyway happy to learn, so appreciate this :) the waves I go are usually either soft or semi punchy.
@@veronikasola5058 I guess it depends on where one measures the nose but the 5'10 Marley is very similar to the seaside in terms of length to volume ratio. Although my guess is the seaside will be much looser as a quad and surf better since it is a hardboard. I find all softops and foamies to be a tad sluggish. Not sure why. Although I have never surfed any of the fanning soft tops. At any rate, the seaside is a very safe choice but as I mentioned, you'd be fine on the the 5'10. it will be very similar to your Marley.
@@ThomyeSurfs yea the Marley is sluggish and I really feel it after I try my friends boards haha but a good way to start. This has been super helpful thank you so much ! There is a person selling 5”11 for a really good price right now might do it 😅
Hi Thomas. I’m looking to get a Hypto Krypto for 6-8’ plus waves. I’m 5’5” and 165 lbs. I’m a mid level intermediate surfer. Would the 5’8” 31 liter board be too big for me? I’m 59 but in good shape. I’m looking for a little help paddling into waves without compromising performance too much. Thanks!!
@@roddyj7669 no worries, my actual given name is Thomas so it works. :) regarding size, this board is better when ridden shorter than your height but then the liters aren't enough at times. I know Ando surfed it in huge waves but he's Ando. it doesn't mean it won't work but you would need to really surf the tail in order to get the performance in the bigger waves. I would say 32 L is ideal but 31 should work if you are a decent paddler. The board is wider at the nose so it helps with padding around. one thing though about catching waves is that you have to get that nose down, point/push it down the face to get into waves easily at the longer length. if the waves are smaller, it's super useful but as the waves get bigger and steeper you have to be mindful of that. Hope that makes sense. Anyways, it's a great board and it will perform. just be mindful of all it's characteristics.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thank you for responding, Thomye! Can you suggest shortboards (epoxy) to consider that are good paddlers and perform well in punchy 4’ - 8’ surf that might fit me? Being on the short side (5’5”) and stocky (165 lbs), and older (59), makes it a little difficult to find a shortboard with enough liters for paddling without being too long for my stance. I always say I will lose 10-15 lbs but that hasn’t happened yet and to be realistic might not ever happen. I am in good shape and very athletic. I am a progressing mid-level, maybe pushing upper, intermediate surfer and a decent paddler. I want to improve my skill in surfing top to bottom in the pocket. My current active quiver: 5’4” Sweet Potato 2; 5’5” Seaside; 5’6” Mashup; 6’8” Sunday. Oh, and my step up is a 6’6” FCD KMRP. I appreciate any suggestions you can provide. Thank you!
@@roddyj7669 Looks like you are well covered in the grovel range. Also that 6'6 KMRP looks really good as a step up for bigger waves but you seems you need a standard performance daily driver. In you current lineup your mashup is your best performance board coming in at 30.1L but it is a tad flat for bigger waves. I didn't like mine over 6' waves. I don't know the liters of your 6'6 but what we want is something in the middle of those 2 boards. in my opinion, you have options: one, you can try the 6'1 FRK+ which is 34L. plenty of float. One thing about length is that it helps catch waves. when you paddle a board that is taller than you, your feet don't hang off the back. so when you paddle for a wave, the board's tail will lift. That helps get into waves, so you kind of want a bit of length. Your dilemma is that you want to be able to surf it better and if the board is too long, it will be more difficult to turn and progress. linger narrow boards like step ups tend to track unless they have a ton of rocker to slow it down but then it feels sluggish in softer waves. Based on that, if the waves you want to surf that are 4' to 8' are punchy, go FRK+ or something similar. If you waves tend to be softer and not barreling, you might consider the Dominator 2. the 5'10 is about 33L and it is not too tall. My favorite Dominator was the 5'8. That board is tried and true. With the wide point being further back, it will actually feel like a smaller board, my 5'8 felt a lot like a 5'5 to me. Your KMRP is a very pinnie tail so you want something in the middle. a narrow squash is a good fit. you want your boards to vary a bit otherwise you end up getting things that are too similar. Hope this helps. Sorry i'm not familiar with other board to suggest more brands. my favorite boards right now are the Mashup for anything from 1' to 5' and for waves 4+ with punch, I like my Sharpeye FT. I am on the hunt for a proper step up for waves between 6' and 15', although it rarely gets that big where I live. :( This past week, I finally got some 8+ waves which was nice but had to borrow a board for them. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I’m the same weight & height as you Tommy, how’s this board size paddle for you? Also how light is it given the EPS? Sometimes light is not favourable IMO
the 5'6 paddles great and catches waves easily relative for its size. I think I could have gone with the 5'4 instead but as I mentioned, was aiming for waves at my local break which is softer. The weight is good, I would put it between a PU and an epoxy like the Helium. It is a tad heavier and I use the NVS fins which are are a tad heavier so the board after wax, pad and fins, feels like a PU to me. I personally like lighter boards and I know some don't. My logic is you can go smaller if a board is lighter (more buoyant). for me, cuz of my weak noodle arms, i went with 28L and extra float. I think if this were a PU, I might have gone 29 to 30 but then the length would have been too long. I recently rode it in 5 to 6 ft soft waves at San O Point and it went really good. Fast and able to carve on rail. I also took it out on a really windy bumpy day day at Uppers and no chatter. All in all, I like the 5'6. If I were to surf Trestles more often though, I may have gone with the 5'4 instead.
@@ThomyeSurfs I think the 5'6 is the right choice. I am similar height, weight and age bracket as you (also noodle arms) and have looked at the 5'4 many times on the shop floor. I reckon it would feel sick beneath my feet in waves with push and fit very well in tight pockets. On most days however, I reckon my age and the waves lean toward the 5'6. I can see in your video the extra length a 5'6 has relative to your body, but I think it's helpful and you still manage some tight and stylish wraps. Thanks for the review and time replying.
@@Mark-ec5oj one thing I thought about too is that my stance is rather narrow since I'm a product of the 80's. :) so lots of boards look long on me. I watched a kid surf a 5'5 Hypto who is exactly my size and the board looked tiny on him, way too small. but it was mainly his stance I think. Anyways, I guess lots of factors go into it. I hate sizing. haha
Inevitable that this comparison would come up. Haha. The glazer would do better in the 1 to 3 soft stuff for sure and then there would be a good deal of overlap in the 2 to 5 but after that the HK would win cuz of the narrower tail. For a beginner intermediate, the glazer is better. The volume to height ratio is better and the tail is a tad wider, thumb vs pin. This board won't feel as tight. To give you an idea, the 28.7 L glazer is only 5'3. Comparing the HK, it's the 5'6". 3" longer but unlike a pointy board, the wide point on the HK would move too far forward causing the tight feeling. So the answer to your question is "it depends" LOL
For me, no. But so many people love the HK I have to think there is something there. I will say that it did turn better but just wasn't as good a groveler.
Hello Thomye, what is your daily driver. I surf abiut the same style as you and was wondering what board is consistent for you 3-5 ft surf. Thanks friend
hard to say which is my daily driver because ever since I have started this channel, I have been switching boards constantly. but if you asked me to only pick 2 boards, at the moment, I would pick my Mashup for 1 to 4 (soft to standard waves) and either the Hypto Krypto or NB3 for 3 to 5 punchy. The HK is better for catching waves but they are similar for surfing so the HK might edge out the NB3. Now if you asked me to pick only 1 board, it might have to be the mashup since my break is more often soft and small. A lot of the boards I have tested so far are for small waves or somewhat novelty like the Sunday. Super fun but I would not put that in the category of DD. Although I could if I had to. it would surf a lot of different waves except for big and wedgy barrels. I had a hard time getting into them with the Sunday. The NB2 was good but it had hickups when the waves got steep. I think I might try the Happy Everyday next and/or the Pyzel Phantom. Have not decided. That might be the 3 to 5. But I do love my Mashup and based on the surfing and peoples comments, the HK is quickly becoming my #2.
@@carlosjoseleiva5067 me personally, I would get the 5'7 @26.7L. The Phantom looks like a performance groveler. I could probably surf it anywhere from 25 to 27L. There is probably an perfect size but it's hard to nail down a perfect size sometimes. One thing about this board, like the hypto, it moves the wide point up a tad, less than the hypto but still forward. The volume from the looks of the pics looks to be concentrated under the chest for paddling so it is a board you don't want to size up too much. I have not ridden this board but I'm basing it on the look of it and the description.
you'll be fine with the 6'. 6'4 might be too big. I did a review and compared the 6' Sunday vs a 6'2 HK. You are only 15lbs more more than me. You have to give yourself a little bit of room to get better and have a board that challenges you just a tad. if you are going for cruiser, then get something like the Moe from firewire. your board should be around 34 to 36L at most. Lastly, make sure to get one with 5 fin boxes. at that size you will want options. Thrusters are a bit tight at that length. ua-cam.com/video/c2YqYuA_W7k/v-deo.html
I have been really happy with my top wraps. Definitely a distinct difference which I'm really liking. I just need to get on some steeper faces. A lot of the ways in this video were decent with the exception of two days which were kind of mushy. On those days I couldn't connect anything.
@@ThomyeSurfs you were getting a little stuck at the bottom of the wave at the end of your cutbacks because of the narrow tail. I think that is partly technique, you need to start your top turn higher up the wave thereby ending the cutback higher on the wave which gives you more wave power to push you into the next turn. Also you could throw more weight forward when initiating the next pump at the end of the cutback to get you moving. Still great surfing in tiny waves.
I wish this was a simple answer but it gets complicated. I'm going to say HK for my quiver. This is based on the fact that it covers more conditions for the type of surfing I want. If I were looking for a small soft wave groveler, then maybe the Glazer. The Glazer is shorter and wider for its relative volume. at around my 28L grovel range, that would be a 5'3 Glazer but a 5'6 HK. Based on this, that would imply that the Glazer is more of a groveler than the HK for smaller softer waves. It is also very flat rockered. In this grovel range (small 1 to 3 soft waves), I like the Mashup and Seaside so the Glazer for me is redundant. so for me, to get Grovel performance in bigger waves, the HK fits better in my quiver. Having said that, I realized something in a comment to someone else. If you are shorter and heavier, the Glazer might fit better into ones stance. If you are taller and skinnier, then the HK is better. I say this because imagine if you are 5'5 and weigh 180. To get the liters, you would want to grovel at around 34L to 36L. In an HK, that is 5'11 to 6'. if you are only 5'5 with a relatively narrow stance, then that board has many challenges. length being an enemy to the design. It will still surf but be tight and the 5'5 surfer would be way behind the wide point. I like being behind the wide point but not that far. I tested a 6'2 HK and it sucked. On a Glazer, the same surfer would be riding a 5'7 or 5'8. That is 4" shorter which would put the wide point a little closer to the front foot of the surfer, making it easier to control and turn and easier to get further back on the board. it is also a flat board so sitting further back won't lift the nose as much. Sorry for the long answer but definitely not a simple black and white answer. Many factor involved and for me to say one isn't fair to someone who might find it quite opposite.
Based on your review it doesn’t seem like an oversized version would be good for someone coming down from 7ft + boards to learn to ride smaller boards. What would you recommend for someone who is 5-9 160 low level intermediate?
not necessarily. if you are coming off a 7'+ board then a cut down to a 6' is still massive. but I guess it depends on the7' board. I know judging from footage, something like the 7' Mid6 which is super maneuverable is probably better than the 6'2 Hypto I tested a 1/2 year ago. they are about the same liters and actually have the same tail but the concentration of foam through the middle is too much on the HK. The Mid6 foils it out better. Anyways, again, it will depend. Don't be too in a hurry to shorten up your board. Personally, at your level, I would really consider the shortest version of the MOE or Mid6. not only will it get you on a lot of waves, but if you learn to control that board, which you will, you will become a better surfer much quicker. The other option is if you surf small waves, something like the sweet potato or twice baked. don't go too long. don't forget with short board, they are cramming more foam under the chest so they paddle better with less liters. at your level, try not to go under 36L. I think 32 puts you at my ratio. but 38 to 40 will get you on a ton of waves. Watch harley ingleby surf the MOE and Mid6. Spend a year on one of those and you will get better way quicker. more waves the better.
Thanks! I should say I’ve had shorter boards. A 6’4” greedy beaver and a 6’6” Stoker V Machine. Recently just sold a 7’ Seaside and Beyond as I didn’t feel like it paddled well for the length. I’ve been surfing for around 4 years, 3-5 times a week. I actually just picked up a 7’10” Mid 6 for a good deal, a bit bigger than I wanted but the price was good. I will keep an eye out for a smaller one as well. I was thinking something in 6’4” to 6’10” range to work on trying a smaller board again, which seems kind of like a hard to find size as a lot of the models don’t scale up well for someone my weight.
@@zachk9890 funny you said that about the seaside and beyond. my brother has the 7' and he complained about the paddle too. he thought my 6'8 felt better padding, whether he was paddling better/faster, not sure but he said it felt better. someone else on the comments said something similar about the 7' S&B. wonder if the foil is just off.
Its my un-expert opinion that the fin setup is dictated by the rocker. Boards with increasing rocker through the tail don't suit a thruster fin set. ie boards with tail rocker are best as twins or 2+1
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You do some of the best reviews. Actual surfing. Showcasing your experiences. Thanks for sharing and for your approach to reviews
And glad he has videos when he reviews a board. Hard to follow the ones that talk about the board only.
@@surfininmy40s agreed. Boardshop UK is one of the worst. Every board seems to be a perfect mix of what you need 🙄 Stop marketing boards and focus and helping us all catch more waves and have more fun
@@thestow35 haha 😂
hypto was and still is the most surprising board i ever met.after 40 years of surfing i find it amazing.
Great Review!! Thank You Thomye.
Great review! You're definitely holding your cutbacks much longer on that board, way smoother, big difference.
Exact video I was looking for, thank you!
I rode this board in a wave pool recently and really enjoyed it
yeah, i can see how this board would compliment a pool. good pulled in tail for the steep pocket but wide for that soft section out of pocket. I probably should have used it at Waco. :(
Love this review. So thorough and helpful. I thought your style looked epic on this board.
One of the best boards I've seen you on all and all!
Thanks brah. Yeah, carving it feel super nice. waiting for a nice full decent size day to see I can try to learn some carve downs. :)
@@ThomyeSurfs yep had some epic sessions on smaller north shore where it lights up (almost cheating) and yes round house cuties felt like butter!
Nice review and nice smooth style.
I have a 5’6 too (I’m 5’7 - 150 lbs)
Fully agree with what you said: works also in small surf but you need fairly good waves.
I have the one with 5 fin boxes and I ride it mostly as a quad, but now I’m thrilled to try it as a 2+1
Agree completely with your review on the Hypto. I have the 5'8. 2 plus 1 is next level. Doesn't grovel in weak mush. Overhead waves, medium HS fins as a thruster goes good.
LET’S GO!!! Those turns & wraps looked FIRE 🔥 it’s the reverse mullet of surfboard’s!😂 YEW!!!
Lol
You deserve waaaaY more views and subs. Great stuff man. Just subbed!
I have the 6’2” and use it as a step up when the waves are way overhead. It works magically up north around Santa Cruz and typically ride it as a quad. Down here in South OC it doesn’t get in the water much. Great board, but you’re spot on. The Seaside, or Dominator 2 are definitely a better choice. I need way less size and volume down here too.
My only pet peeve about this board is that it was only set up as a thruster. I would love to have had the quad option. Maybe I will get rid of it and look for one that has a five fin option so I'm not locked in to a trifin setup. ☹️
My favorite board is a board marked as a beginner board. It's a Modern Highline by Global Surf.
I say this because Hyptos and this board are high volume for length designs. Difference is the Highline is a thruster with back foot focus. They're cheap, you should try this at the risk of looking like a kook.
Cheers and thanks for the awesome vlogs👍
I don't mind kooking out. keeps me honest and humble. I am going to try a sessions vlog switch footing an entire session. I was also looking at some boards from Surftech that are pretty cheap but look ok. All under $400 which now a days is a huge bargain.
Great review Thomye!
Makes me wanna get one at 5.7 or 5.8. I'm on the fence as a 160/165 lbs surfer
I would say 5'7. The 5'6 felt a tad too big for me and I'm 145. at your weight, maybe the 5'7. unless you are super tall, then go 5'8. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks!
Great honest review. Ant not in head high perfect lowers.
Nice review ! Haydenshape HK twin would also be a nice review! 🤙
I really enjoyed this video lol I've got the hypto krypto twin and rides similar to this had a ball on it today
This is a really dialed video. I think it hits a perfect "everyday" conditions demographic that somehow tends to gets fairly over looked in reviews, so thanks for that. I'm curious do you apply your .2 ratio to all of your "performance" board liter choices or is it groveler specific? Thanks
mostly grovelers. Based on design of the board, if the board has more width in the tail, I can do less volume. my grovel range is 27 to 28.5. I think I am closer to .19 right now, especially if it is EPS and has better buoyancy.
@@ThomyeSurfs great intel! That is smart basing it off of the tail width. I like it. Thank you
You really was surfing different on this board. So quick in the pocket
Agreed. Able to do tight turn in pocket. Super fun and allowing me to work on my rail game.
i have a clone at 6'4 - 42 liters and you are right with your ratio it's would have been way better at 38,5liters weighting 191lbs.
I’m thinking of getting a slightly oversized Hypto for big wintertime swell at Bolsa Chica and HB. I find a regular step-up shortboard feels too slow on the face of those big, deep water waves. And even when there’s a ton of swell out there at Bolsa, I find it difficult to paddle into waves on my shortboards. You almost always need some kind of higher volume, flatter rocker board at Bolsa it seems.
A potential hazard, though, might be trying to duck-dive an oversized Hypto on a big day. I’m afraid I won’t be able to sink it deep enough to get under a mountain of whitewater.
@@jeffvandenburgh6325 definitely the challenge is duck dives on bigger boards. How much are you looking to oversize?
I’m 5’11 and 175 lbs and was looking at a 5’11 Hypto with 135 liters. Most my boards are around 30 liters, but I do enjoy a couple of fishier shapes in the 132-135 liter range.
@@jeffvandenburgh6325 in my honest opinion, i think the board is best at a height shorter than you are tall. I'm 5'8 and rode the 5'4 which seemed perfect for me. The 5'6 that is in this vide is great but needed a punchier wave. I also tested a 6' which was way too big and it was boaty. Comparing that to my 6' Sunday, my Sunday was at least maneuverable. I would say if you are getting a super good deal, then go for it. but if not, might not want to go this route, I think it will be very sluggish. What's the ultimate goal of oversizing? small waves, more waves. I think you will get more waves but then lose performance and it won't go well in the really small stuff or softer stuff.
Some epic waves!! So good!!
Thank you! Great review. How would you compare this to an Evo? :)
I have not ridden an evo yet, but I have a friend who is willing to loan me hers so I may have a review and comparison soon.
@@ThomyeSurfs Nice! Not sure where you're based out of, but if San Diego, you can borrow mine (5'3" 27.5L).
what do you think of the FCS II Mark Richards 2+1 for this board
I like the HK best as a 2+1, maybe cuz of the tail, it comes off like a twin pin but definitely need a stabilizer. I think the MR's with trailer would go great.
I love this board
What do you think if I grab this board to Bali, Indonesia? 32L, 6.0 for my weight 160lb and mid level of surf. Thx
it's probably perfect. One board quiver for a place like that. Good for catching smaller waves but also can pull into a 8' barrel. I think it is a great choice.
Great review as always! You mentioned there are better options for small soft waves. What boards are you thinking? Small and soft is what I surf 90% of the time. I'm high intermediate level, looking to progress my carves and top to bottom surfing more. (i'm 5'8 and 145lb, so very close to you size wise, but definitely not as good)
anything with a wider tail for sure. The mashup, the seaside, El Tomo. Sorry i'm only listing Firewires. I am trying to get on more variety. Hoping to tackle a better list of shapers.
Most every board I tested with the exception of the Neckbeard3 and the Glazer to a lesser extent would work better. The neckboard tail is similar in that it is meant for better waves. The glazer is a tad better than the HK but not by much in the soft stuff.
if 90% of your waves are soft, the HK might not be the best option. if you said you were looking for a step in better bigger conditions, then the HK would be a good option.
What boards do you have now? and what do you like vs dislike.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks for the response. I have a seaside but I've been disliking how wide the nose is. I find I always catch the rail near the front when turning. I know all small wave boards will have a bit of width up front but the seaside seems to have a wider nose than most. And I could probably fix the issue of catching the rail over time by improving my technique, but I'm after a board that's a bit more aimed at tighter turns anyway. I was thinking the Channel Islands Rocket Wide, the Mashup or the JS Sub Xero. Any thoughts or favorites on those ones? Or any other boards you'd consider?
@@12ffoeg one more point. the height to length ratio is probably different on all those boards too. example: for me if i were to be looking at a 27 liter board, Mashup would be 5'4", Rocket Wide 5'6, Xero 5'6 or 5'7. Point being, shorter wide grovels better, longer rail line turns better (not to be confused with easier, rocker helps with this). as you get better at turning, a bit more rail in the water allows you to hold a turn longer.
As for recommendations, I don't have a lot of experience with boards other than the ones I have evaluated but generally speaking, I think for what you are looking for, mashup and RW are good choices. I would avoid the Xero for now. For us regular surfers, something like the xero is actually our performance board. I would never buy a pro performance board or pro model. Maybe a pro groveler and even they are a tad to racey for me.
@@ThomyeSurfs First thing first, great video. Secondly, I would ask if you recommend a Sunday as valid option for small and weak conditions up to head high. I'm 170cm/70kg, looking to progress from my 8'0 soft top. Eventually, what size (length/liters) should I look for?
Thanks a lot!
@@Spider2029 at your weight and progression, one very important thing you want to set as a limit is something you can duckdive, otherwise, you'll never learn to get out on big consistent days. relative to my weight, I would say you should get something around 40 to 42 liters of volume depending on your paddle strength. My limit at 64kg is about 38 to 40 Liters. If you have friends with much smaller boards, I would practice duck diving techniques on something with way less volume. Learning to duckdive on a bigger board is difficult and results in bad technique.
The Sunday is a good option but there may be better ones out there. the 6' sunday is 38L while the 6'4 is 44L. you are right in between. Transitioning off a 8', the 6'4 is likely the better choice. Again, depends on your fitness. The one thing about the Sunday is the volume distribution. it is sensitive to paddling. Some people have had difficulty with that. If your break doesn't require a lot of duckdiving, a great option might be the MOE by firewire. Watch Harley Ingleby it and you will be blown away at how maneuverable that board is.
Another option might be the 5'8 Sweet Potato 2. that is 41L, super wide but short. Short makes it easier to learn to turn. Hope that helps. If you demo any of these boards, I highly recommend it.
In 2019 winter to spring 2020 I was addicted to one (5'6")! Later I found on slow waves I had a hard time keeping my reentries with momentum so I sold it hence your theory! Please trust me ....... Cymatic is the ULTIMATE "one board quiver" for me.
I got to get my hands on one. That and the Evo.
thepokersurfer.....what fins work best for you in the cymatic? I've been experimenting with quads and have yet to untap any exceptional speed.
@@papamarban2185 forget quads ....... the ultimate magic are the K2.1 fin template by FCS. Compatible are WCT by Futures, Kommunity KS 2.1 (my choice). Pacific Vibrations KS 2.1.
@@ThePokersurfer I have the futures WCT and the and the KS endorfins (tried the endorfins as a quad)- will try to experiment with the thruster set up again.
@@papamarban2185 honestly the quad did nothing for me in fact I tried to sell it after trying it as a quad as Noel suggested but thank God no one bitt so by pure luck experimented with my favorite all time set up and was BLOWN away ....... top 5 surfboards of all time for sure!
So good the review thanks so much for the content.
Can i ask you what would you use on poor 1-3 ft? Thanks
Mashup or seaside. Depends on the bush. I think the seaside will grovel better but the mashup has a higher performance ceiling in soft crappy waves.
Your reviews are excellent. How does this compare to the Sharpeye Modern 2 for you?
carves way better on the HK. My modern 2 had more drive and was better down the line in flat sections. So connecting sections was easier. But definitely the HK turns on a dime and so smoothly.
You surfed this board really well. Would it pair well with an uber groveler, a la the twice baked?
I think so. it depends on how big you are planning to surf them. a beginner low end intermediate who might be thinking to get the HK really big, they are basically turning it into an uber groveler but since it is longer, it might be tight and clunky. that same person could get the TB shorter but get more volume making the board better. In both cases, it is set up for small waves. oversizing this board works but I don't think it is the best option.
Great video and commentary. Do you think the Hypto twin fin would grovel better than the Hypto pin tail (original), both of the same volume? I’m high end intermediate level and looking for a small wave performance board that’ll catch 1-3’ waves easily and do well in those conditions, but also perform in shoulder to head high. So not really looking for a true mush groveler… a slight step up from that. I’m usually surfing cobble reef and point breaks in SoCal. Thanks!
I don't think it will paddle or catch waves any better to be honest, they are identical minus the tail and fin configuration. In terms of surfing, it would grovel a tad better since twins usually have more drive cuz the rail line is straighter back making the end tail point wider. so it would grovel better from that perspective. I guess riding a keel in small and switching it up to a narrower twin for bigger waves could work. I haven't surfed it so I don't know for sure but that is my take based on the design of the board.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks
From one Goofy to another -- Surfing looks really sharp! I had a Hypto many years ago (until a leash snap ended the board against some rocks). Currently have a seaside and mashup but looking to round out the quiver with a final board to handle a bit more power and range (with some similar feels). These boards may not be at all comparable.... but it seems the El Tomo Fish also offers a lot of hold and performance in larger waves while also having that same hybrid shape of the Hypto has and is intriguing. Any way you could offer a brief comparison of these and your thoughts on two different models and what you might recommend to a standard, intermediate surfer? Thanks!
I think the hypto is definitely a better board when it comes to scalability. It can handle much bigger waves better and the narrow tail along with the heavier tail rocker allows you to set the rail and carve better. The el tomo handles slightly bigger waves than the seaside and mashup but I fear that if the waves got super punchy, the wide tail could become an issue. I rode my el tomo a bit bigger than I should have. You have the small to medium waves pretty well covered with the seaside and mashup. So if you're looking for the other end of the spectrum you might consider something like the Revo versus an el tomo. I have not tested it but just on paper it makes sense. I have a friend who just purchased one and I'm hoping to be able to borrow and review it soon but only if she lets me.
@@ThomyeSurfs Good input per usual. Kinda thought the same -- just liked the look of the El Tomo. Revo is interesting -- kinda hard to pin point where it sits in a quiver -- daily driver maybe?
@@smacrae7 supposedly. depends on how big you get it I guess. ET could be a daily. Still my favorite board backhand. My daily has been the Mashup. I think my new step up will be the Sharpeye FT. I only had one session on it but it felt like a lit up Mashup. Just needs either bigger or punchier waves.
Okay nice “thanks mate i’m looking at buying the FireWire Glazer all or the hip though crypto 3”4 foot surf
just note that the glazer is a shorter wider package for its relative volume than the hypto. Having said that, if your wave is softer go Glazer, if your wave it punchier or barrels, hypto. :)
Great review! I am 5’7”, 180lbs intermediate surfer. I think I need to go a bit longer to get enough volume. Do you think 5’9 or 5’10 would still be a good option for me with quad set up?
at 180, i'd say no. it might not be enough unless you have a very strong paddle. I rode mine at 28L and I weigh 145. so the ratio there is .193. if we take .193 and multiply by your weight, 180, you get 35L. the 5'10 does come close but again, it will depend on your paddle strength. 5'11 is better volume but then the board is getting quite long. what are you surfing now?
@@ThomyeSurfs Thanks man. I am currently riding JS Black Baron 5’10 PU (35L). I was wondering, because of HK’s front volume, how hard it would be for someone with my height to control longer ones like 5’11 or 6’
@@hironodoubt4780 I'm 5'8 but and surfed the 6'2 HK and didn't like it. I did a video comparing the 6'2 HK to the 6'0 Sunday. it wasn't an apples to apples comparison but you can see how the longer HK is too sluggish. Having said that, the 6'2 was just way to long. 5'10 might be easier but the outline, wide point front from center, plus the volume, will make the board seem even longer.
the JS BB is a twin if I'm not mistaken and twins have their own challenges. given you are on a JS, i would consider the sub xero to be honest. it's almost the same outline as the BB but has a friendlier fin configuration (5 fin boxes), also from what I can tell, it has a slightly bigger volume to height ratio. The bb is made to be a performance twin so it is thinner. If you wanted roughly the same volume, you can go 5'9, taking an inch off the rail length but get .5 L more. I would think this would help with progression more.
Personally, I didn't love the HK, it went well for turns cuz of the rounded pin but when the waves got smaller, the narrow tail made it tougher to generate speed. By small I mean sub 2' waves.
Thank you so much!! I really appreciate your advice. Because of my height/weight, looking for a new board always gives me a headache. I’ll definitely keep an eye on Sub-Xero for my next purchase. Since I haven’t tried many brands other than JS, I would like to know If there is any other good all rounder short board option (like HK) for my height/weight (including paying extra for custom orders).
By the way I’ve watched your video comparing HK and Sunday. Do you think if the 6’2 HK was a twin or a twin pin, it would have been more comparable to Sunday? Meaning more enjoyable with its over 6’ length? Or are they still quite different? Thanks!
@@hironodoubt4780 if I remember, there was a big width difference. Also, look at the firewire Mashup, it is very similar to the Sub Xero except it is likely a tad flatter, better for smaller waves but still work well in medium waves. It's volume to height ratio is similar to the Black Baron except you would be on Helium which floats way better. You could possibly go 1" shorter. shorter with the 5 fin option will go easier than a twin. it might help with progression a bit more.
having said that, since you have a BB around that height, you might also consider something like a Sweet Potato as an uber groveler. Then you would have a really good option for small soft waves. a board that is really short but skatey and fun. you could go as short as 5'4 to get the same volume. difference being it is all under your chest vs spread out over 6'.
it is nice to have different types of boards too. the sx and the mashup are similar to the bb in terms of outline but better as all arounder cuz of fins. the sweet potato is completely different.
Still prefer the Modern 2 and the Seaside under your feet for smaller conditions. Not sure why😂
When you say, there are many other boards that coulda been easier in these conditions: can you name a few? :) thanks!!
anything with a wider tail, back when I did the review, I was thinking of the Seaside, Twice Baked, Rocket Wide, etc. For a place like Bolsa Chica, most soft smaller waves, or big and soft, that narrow tail required the surfer to push hard. so if you are a power surfer, the HK is a good option, but most of my friends aren't at that level. They don't push with their back foot at all. :(
I too only use my back foot slightly so wider tails work for me best. Now with more recent reviews. Mashup is good, the White Tiger, etc. Hope that helps. For a very heavy back foot or advance surfer, the HK and something like the GSkate works for them cuz it gets them into soft small waves but then they push so hard, the narrower tails are preferable.
@@ThomyeSurfs just got a Gremlin, should fit the category youre talking.
@@ApoorvBisht it's a board I still want to test. :) I know it has been around a while but it's still around so it would be good for people to compare. Hoping to get my hands on one my size.
Nice video! In your opinion, Hypto or Dominator 2 as one board quiver? 2-5ft reef average conditions mostly! Intermediate surfer. Thanks!
Hypto. But they are so different. One is wide point forward and the other is wide point back. But in the range you mentioned, there is a lot of overlap.
Sorry, just saw your intermediate level. The dom2 will feel looser even if you ride it bigger. The HK will feel tight when ridden bigger. Hope that makes sense.
@@ThomyeSurfs yes, thanks for your answer!
Hey Thomye , how would you compare this to the firewire glazer?
They are different. From a volume perspective, at 28/29 Liters, the Glazer comes in at 5'3" while the HK comes in at 5'6". While the Glazer is made for for groveling in general, the HK is fun in the front and all business in the back. Under certain conditions they ride the similar like small fat but as the waves get punchy, the HK has a much higher ceiling. If you surf a break that can get big and punchy, HK all the way. If you surf smaller softer waves, either or, but having said that, in the smaller softer stuff choosing between the two, it depends on if you like a short stubby chunky board vs a slightly longer rail line with thinned out rails. The HK has knifey rails. Hope that helps.
Having said all that, FW looks like they are discontinuing the Glazer. I have seen them in the shops for $499 US to $599. HK's are $750+ so that could be a decision factor.
@@ThomyeSurfs got it. Thanks for the break down. 🤙🏽
Love the review- super helpful as the HK is one of the boards I was looking at getting. I also surf at Bolsa - recently been riding a Pyzel Gremlin 5’11 @34.9L . I like the maneuverability when I’m up but struggle to catch waves a lot of times. Thinking I may need a few more liters- I’m 5’8, 160lbs. Any suggestions?
quick question. when you say you struggle to catch waves, is this all the time in any conditions or is it just when the waves are smaller and/or softer? Also, what is your skill level? The gremlin looks like a great groveler on paper. Comparing the HK to the Gremlin, they seem to be almost identical in terms of volume to height and width. The HK may have a very slight and I'm talking very slight on paper advantage. this sort of advantage would not be noticeable. The advantage might be the volume is forward so it is more under the chest. Although it helps with paddling around, catching waves might not be any different. Again, too slight to actually make a difference.
The only other factor is buoyancy. Future Flex is more buoyant than PU which could factor in a tad. But all in all, they are too similar. For softer waves and catching waves in general, buoyancy and width of a board is very helpful if paddle strength is unchanged. Don't confuse liters with buoyancy. Liters is just a starting point. Remember a surfboard made of lead has the same liters of volume as one made of foam. Lead will just sink and can't be surfed. haha Anyways, my point is, try and pick a technology that might give you a slight advantage for buoyancy without changing other factors.
My issue with sizing up boards is that once you go too long, the foil (volume distribution) changes and isn't suited for the surfer. I'm 5'8 so surfing a longer boards make the board feel unnatural. Since you and I are the same height, our stance will be similar, therefore, you should be surfing boards that are in my height range. Where you can break this rule is when going for something that is designed longer. Take for instance the Mid6. it's 7' long but made for people in and around 5'8 to 6'. If you went out and surfed the mid6 at 7' long it would surf better than say buying a 6'4 hypto. They are both about the same liters and roughly the same buoyancy but the HK is made and stretched out for a taller person.
Anyways, sorry for the long explanation. You have 2 ways to go, either go shorter wider at the same liters so that you are surfing a board made for your height (Firewire Sweet Potato or twice baked - these board are flatter so correct height isn't as relevant, also lost puddle jumper or bean bag). All these will be shorter than the gremlin but have more width at the same volume. Width will plane into waves easier/quicker. Easy proof of that is a skim board. No volume but that is why a skim boarder will turn the board sideways to take advantage of the width which planes easier. Or go longer but a board that your height won't factor in. MOE for instance. I watch Harley Ingleby surf that and am amazed at how much performance he can pull from it.
Food for thought. chime in with other variables. things like how you want to surf, what you want to improve on, etc.
Thanks for the feedback- definitely some good points to think about. I would say my skill level is low level intermediate and my goal is to continue progressing to shorter boards. The struggle I’m having catching waves is mainly when the conditions are fat and slow- I think my position in the lineup is part of the problem as I’m used to catching waves earlier on higher volume/longer boards sitting further outside. As I have been adjusting and sitting in closer it’s been a bit better.
It seems the Gremlin I have should be a good size for me based on my height/weight but just thinking at my skill l might be better with your suggestions of Baked Potato, Puddle Jumper, etc might be better since shorter and wider. Would you also recommend the Seaside? For these would you suggest I increase volume a bit to around 38L or so? Thanks
@@znxyy933 I would definitely recommend the Seaside. The seaside scales very well, I have ridden several sizes up and all have surprised me. the cool thing about the seaside is that you could get the 5'7 or 5'8 which would take off 3" to 4" of length. Better for learning turns etc. They are over an 1" wider and the volume is forward so it will paddle a bit better and catch waves a bit better. "a bit". I personally can't tell the difference unless it is at least 2L. Having said that, Helium tech is more buoyant inherently so something like the 5'8 will likely be a good switch. I wouldn't not go taller than your height on this board.
One thing that people forget often is that when you have 2 boards with the same liters but one is shorter, the shorter board crams more of it under where it counts. Tall boards have it in the nose which doesn't help with anything, paddling or catching. So don't size up too much.
The seaside will turn easier than the sweepee and/or twice baked. I have not surfed a puddle jumper or bean bag so I can't speak to those.
Appreciate the further help- this really gives me good direction. Based on your UA-cam reviews and my friends raving about their Seasides, I’ve been thinking about getting one but wasn’t sure what size to get- your suggestion and explanation is super helpful. I’ll definitely work on buying one of these. Thanks!
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Great review :)
I oversized this by a mile because it was an ex rental from the wavepool so a great oportunity. Now the excess volume is hinedring while at the beginning it helped (thnk I am 165 and bought a 6'8 coming down from a mini mal).
These seem like the waves I am usually on. You say if this is your environment "there are better options" which would those be in your opinion?
Cheers from Melbourne
Yes, better options in softer waves would include the Seaside, any Potato, the Hydra, etc. Anything wider with a wider tail. In softer waves, those attributes would be better for groveling.
Thank you :)
I see all of these have a super flat rocker. Would a bit more help? (Lost puddle jumper or 7s double down)
The equipment part of it all is so daunting. Reviews like yours really help
@@Marwaves not for groveling. if you are looking to surf softer flatter waves, the less rocker is better. less drag from the curve of the board. too much nose rocker makes the board push water. too much tail rocker when driving on your front foot creates drag. The seaside is great because it does give you a slight pit of tail rocker but the overall rocker is smooth with no real flat sections. but the board is generally flatter so it is a good combination of speed and maneuverability. The potato line of boards are all flatter with littler tail rocker so turning on the tail feels like pushing water. still works great, but not as smooth. One thing to also remember is that if your wave has a lot of curve (punchy hollow waves), then a board with more rocker is faster in the pocket and the steeper sections. But when that board gets in the flats, it will push water and drag. Hope that made sense.
Anyways, one last note about the seaside, I have found that it surfs really well throughout the size of the board. Meaning, some boards, like the hypto surfs great at smaller/shorter lengths and totally different at longer lengths. With the seaside, I have surfed the 5'2, 5'3, 5'4, 5'5, 5'7, and even a 5'10 and all are very easy to surf. as it gets bigger they get clunky as expected but the ride characteristics are still similar, easy to turn with lots of drive.
I'm not trying to push you into a seaside but it is the board I probably know best. I'm currently loving my Mashup and my the Sharpeye Inferno FT in Dark Arts but that one is a performance board and I would not use it as a groveler.
Thats amazing. Thanks for the long explanation :)))) I was looking into it.
Im doing a bit of wavepool lately as we are getting summer waves here. I went in after I sent you my last message with my big boy hypto. The problem with it for me is the skinny tail coming from a fish. I found that it made me separate my legs sometimes when doing the last hard paddles in, making it tougher to not pop up late (more like impossible). I guess the narrow tail does not help balance (as in not wobbling sometimes). Once on my feet no problem. Mind you we are talking about a gigantic 52 liter epoxy version of it. Im floating so much moving it around/navigating is tougher; hence looking at the snapper fish or 7s double down initially. (Ive never seen a tail like that). Im definitely looking at the seaside!
Thanks for taking the time to put together that explanation. Im a converting snowboarder and bodyboarder and the equipment part of it is so daunting!
Im doing a lot of Melbourne pool for progress
Cheers!
How does this board compare to the machado Glazer they seam very simular
the are relatively similar. hypto is more performance since it is less volume to height. the glazer is more grovel cuz it is more volume to height. I would put the glazer 2' to 6'pretty much any shape, soft or punchy, the hypto is more like 2.5' to 10' good to punchy shape. not the best is soft waves. but it also depends on how big you ride it.
Hi, thanks for the VClip. If I am 200 Pouns and intermediate Hi level. Should I buy a the 6'0 36 L HK ? I what It to be my performance G... for good small 1 to 4 F waves.
How tall are you? with a lot of boards even if the liters work, sometimes if you aren't tall enough, then you are out of the sweet spot design of the board. I surfed the HK around .2 of my weight. At about 140lbs, that put me at 28L. I could have surfed it at 25L. Taking your weight and doing the same, that will put you around .18 to .2. so 36L to 40L. The 6' would be on the low end for you as a performance groveler but if you have a good paddle and you are good about catching waves (timing), then it should be fine. Again, height becomes a factor though.
Thanks for the review. I’m looking for a board when Bolsa gets bigger in the fall/winter. Do you recommend this board or something else? Right now I ride a 5’5” seaside and 5’6” mashup.
What is you height? If you end up getting a longer version it puts the wide point in volume too far Ford. Which could potentially make the board feel much tighter. All these characteristics have limits so sometimes, one characteristic might be helpful at one height but hurtful in another. If that's making sense. If you're tall and light this is a great board. If you're short and heavy this potentially is not a good board for you.
@@ThomyeSurfs Hi, I'm 6' 0" and 160-165 lbs
@@mikedemaster6751 it's the perfect board for you. You want to ride this board probably 3 to 4 in shorter than you and I think that version is probably the correct liters for you weight. When the waves get good at Bolsa this thing works really well. I had a couple steeper sections today where I stepped on the tail and did some really really late top turns and felt like I gouged The Wave in half. Granted, most of my other waves sucked because the ways were too soft. But I sort of knew that going in so didn't have big expectations. 😜
Thanks Thomye
Hey! Nice review! could you help me? I've been thinking about buying a HK 6'0, I'm 5'8 and weigh 140lbs, my level of surfing is lower intermediate. Do you think I'll be fine with a 6'0 or should I buy a smaller size? I am currently using a 6'6 MF Beastie.
the 6'0 is 36.33L. I tested the 6'2 in one of my video, it was a friends board. At the time, I weighed 140lbs as well. I found that board to be too big for maneuvering. It was great for catching waves. what exactly are you working on. If you want to do soft bottom turns and elongated turns, it will be fine but if you are trying to progress and tighten up your turns, it might be too big. Also, what kinds of waves do you surf? beach break, reef break, soft, punchy?
Maybe a modern take on the Revo would be more suitable ........ looks like a refined Evo/Cymatic???
A buddy of mine didn't like it. But i'm keen to try it, hoping the next demo day.
@@ThomyeSurfs the nose looks pulled in like the Cymatic AND the dims are exact so it tells me it's a refined Cymatic with a squash!
@@ThePokersurfer i think there is a demo day this weekend near me. I asked FW if they had a cymatic or revo. either would be cool to try. :)
i asked for 5'4 which I think is 26.7L. just under what I surf normally. you think I should go shorter? not sure the sizing of this board.
@@ThomyeSurfs 5'3 all day long @ 147 24.7cl typically ....... Kelly & Noel rode the 5'3 @ 160 each.
Thank you for Such a great review. I’m a bit lost with what board I need now as so many out there and thought this one will work but think I’m not quite full intermediate yet but I’m learning to progress and practice turns in any surf I can find but nothing more than over head, what would you recommend? I was looking at seaside as a mid light like a 6ft but not sure just having a quad set up? People say get a fish but which one ? Anyway I’d love any help please 🙏 I probably won’t do anything less than 45-41 litres
Seaside is a great option. I know you mention you don't want to go under 41L but you probably don't need to go as big as 6'. 5'10 at the biggest depending on how tall you are, it has a lot of liters under your chest and it is wide. And remember that a 5'10 with 40L under your body is as effective as a 6'6 with 50L (lots of wasted liters in the nose where it doesn't really help you). Also, the Seaside is a fish but unlike classic fishes, it turns way better and is super user friendly. Proven time and time again from so many intermediates out there.
What are you on now? And are your waves punchy or soft?
@@ThomyeSurfs I’m 5’8 and 58kg if that helps to suggest a good volume:) I’m currently on Little Marley by Mike Fanning 5’11 that’s 45l. I guess I’m still working on my strength hence the logic on more volume 🤣 i thought more volume in the nose is easier paddle? Anyway happy to learn, so appreciate this :) the waves I go are usually either soft or semi punchy.
@@veronikasola5058 I guess it depends on where one measures the nose but the 5'10 Marley is very similar to the seaside in terms of length to volume ratio. Although my guess is the seaside will be much looser as a quad and surf better since it is a hardboard. I find all softops and foamies to be a tad sluggish. Not sure why. Although I have never surfed any of the fanning soft tops. At any rate, the seaside is a very safe choice but as I mentioned, you'd be fine on the the 5'10. it will be very similar to your Marley.
@@ThomyeSurfs yea the Marley is sluggish and I really feel it after I try my friends boards haha but a good way to start. This has been super helpful thank you so much ! There is a person selling 5”11 for a really good price right now might do it 😅
Hi Thomas. I’m looking to get a Hypto Krypto for 6-8’ plus waves. I’m 5’5” and 165 lbs. I’m a mid level intermediate surfer. Would the 5’8” 31 liter board be too big for me? I’m 59 but in good shape. I’m looking for a little help paddling into waves without compromising performance too much. Thanks!!
I apologize Thomye, I missed that autocorrect changed the spelling of your name. ❤
@@roddyj7669 no worries, my actual given name is Thomas so it works. :) regarding size, this board is better when ridden shorter than your height but then the liters aren't enough at times. I know Ando surfed it in huge waves but he's Ando. it doesn't mean it won't work but you would need to really surf the tail in order to get the performance in the bigger waves.
I would say 32 L is ideal but 31 should work if you are a decent paddler. The board is wider at the nose so it helps with padding around. one thing though about catching waves is that you have to get that nose down, point/push it down the face to get into waves easily at the longer length. if the waves are smaller, it's super useful but as the waves get bigger and steeper you have to be mindful of that. Hope that makes sense.
Anyways, it's a great board and it will perform. just be mindful of all it's characteristics.
@@ThomyeSurfs Thank you for responding, Thomye! Can you suggest shortboards (epoxy) to consider that are good paddlers and perform well in punchy 4’ - 8’ surf that might fit me? Being on the short side (5’5”) and stocky (165 lbs), and older (59), makes it a little difficult to find a shortboard with enough liters for paddling without being too long for my stance. I always say I will lose 10-15 lbs but that hasn’t happened yet and to be realistic might not ever happen. I am in good shape and very athletic. I am a progressing mid-level, maybe pushing upper, intermediate surfer and a decent paddler. I want to improve my skill in surfing top to bottom in the pocket. My current active quiver: 5’4” Sweet Potato 2; 5’5” Seaside; 5’6” Mashup; 6’8” Sunday. Oh, and my step up is a 6’6” FCD KMRP. I appreciate any suggestions you can provide. Thank you!
@@roddyj7669 Looks like you are well covered in the grovel range. Also that 6'6 KMRP looks really good as a step up for bigger waves but you seems you need a standard performance daily driver. In you current lineup your mashup is your best performance board coming in at 30.1L but it is a tad flat for bigger waves. I didn't like mine over 6' waves. I don't know the liters of your 6'6 but what we want is something in the middle of those 2 boards. in my opinion, you have options: one, you can try the 6'1 FRK+ which is 34L. plenty of float. One thing about length is that it helps catch waves. when you paddle a board that is taller than you, your feet don't hang off the back. so when you paddle for a wave, the board's tail will lift. That helps get into waves, so you kind of want a bit of length.
Your dilemma is that you want to be able to surf it better and if the board is too long, it will be more difficult to turn and progress. linger narrow boards like step ups tend to track unless they have a ton of rocker to slow it down but then it feels sluggish in softer waves. Based on that, if the waves you want to surf that are 4' to 8' are punchy, go FRK+ or something similar. If you waves tend to be softer and not barreling, you might consider the Dominator 2. the 5'10 is about 33L and it is not too tall. My favorite Dominator was the 5'8. That board is tried and true. With the wide point being further back, it will actually feel like a smaller board, my 5'8 felt a lot like a 5'5 to me.
Your KMRP is a very pinnie tail so you want something in the middle. a narrow squash is a good fit. you want your boards to vary a bit otherwise you end up getting things that are too similar. Hope this helps. Sorry i'm not familiar with other board to suggest more brands. my favorite boards right now are the Mashup for anything from 1' to 5' and for waves 4+ with punch, I like my Sharpeye FT. I am on the hunt for a proper step up for waves between 6' and 15', although it rarely gets that big where I live. :( This past week, I finally got some 8+ waves which was nice but had to borrow a board for them. Let me know if you have any other questions.
I’m the same weight & height as you Tommy, how’s this board size paddle for you? Also how light is it given the EPS? Sometimes light is not favourable IMO
the 5'6 paddles great and catches waves easily relative for its size. I think I could have gone with the 5'4 instead but as I mentioned, was aiming for waves at my local break which is softer.
The weight is good, I would put it between a PU and an epoxy like the Helium. It is a tad heavier and I use the NVS fins which are are a tad heavier so the board after wax, pad and fins, feels like a PU to me. I personally like lighter boards and I know some don't. My logic is you can go smaller if a board is lighter (more buoyant). for me, cuz of my weak noodle arms, i went with 28L and extra float. I think if this were a PU, I might have gone 29 to 30 but then the length would have been too long.
I recently rode it in 5 to 6 ft soft waves at San O Point and it went really good. Fast and able to carve on rail. I also took it out on a really windy bumpy day day at Uppers and no chatter. All in all, I like the 5'6. If I were to surf Trestles more often though, I may have gone with the 5'4 instead.
@@ThomyeSurfs thanks so much 🙏🏻
@@ThomyeSurfs I think the 5'6 is the right choice. I am similar height, weight and age bracket as you (also noodle arms) and have looked at the 5'4 many times on the shop floor. I reckon it would feel sick beneath my feet in waves with push and fit very well in tight pockets. On most days however, I reckon my age and the waves lean toward the 5'6. I can see in your video the extra length a 5'6 has relative to your body, but I think it's helpful and you still manage some tight and stylish wraps. Thanks for the review and time replying.
@@Mark-ec5oj one thing I thought about too is that my stance is rather narrow since I'm a product of the 80's. :) so lots of boards look long on me. I watched a kid surf a 5'5 Hypto who is exactly my size and the board looked tiny on him, way too small. but it was mainly his stance I think. Anyways, I guess lots of factors go into it. I hate sizing. haha
Yew! Great Review! 🤙
Inevitable that this comparison would come up. Haha. The glazer would do better in the 1 to 3 soft stuff for sure and then there would be a good deal of overlap in the 2 to 5 but after that the HK would win cuz of the narrower tail. For a beginner intermediate, the glazer is better. The volume to height ratio is better and the tail is a tad wider, thumb vs pin. This board won't feel as tight. To give you an idea, the 28.7 L glazer is only 5'3. Comparing the HK, it's the 5'6". 3" longer but unlike a pointy board, the wide point on the HK would move too far forward causing the tight feeling.
So the answer to your question is "it depends" LOL
Is this better than modern 2?
For me, no. But so many people love the HK I have to think there is something there. I will say that it did turn better but just wasn't as good a groveler.
Hello Thomye, what is your daily driver. I surf abiut the same style as you and was wondering what board is consistent for you 3-5 ft surf. Thanks friend
hard to say which is my daily driver because ever since I have started this channel, I have been switching boards constantly. but if you asked me to only pick 2 boards, at the moment, I would pick my Mashup for 1 to 4 (soft to standard waves) and either the Hypto Krypto or NB3 for 3 to 5 punchy. The HK is better for catching waves but they are similar for surfing so the HK might edge out the NB3. Now if you asked me to pick only 1 board, it might have to be the mashup since my break is more often soft and small. A lot of the boards I have tested so far are for small waves or somewhat novelty like the Sunday. Super fun but I would not put that in the category of DD. Although I could if I had to. it would surf a lot of different waves except for big and wedgy barrels. I had a hard time getting into them with the Sunday. The NB2 was good but it had hickups when the waves got steep.
I think I might try the Happy Everyday next and/or the Pyzel Phantom. Have not decided. That might be the 3 to 5. But I do love my Mashup and based on the surfing and peoples comments, the HK is quickly becoming my #2.
Ok so now I’m leaning towards the mash up vs the seaside
I’m 5’11” 175 advanced but aging. (54). 5’8” or 5’9” mashup. What’s your recommendation. Thanks
@@ThomyeSurfs Hi Thomye, what volume would you use for that Pyzel Phantom?
@@carlosjoseleiva5067 me personally, I would get the 5'7 @26.7L. The Phantom looks like a performance groveler. I could probably surf it anywhere from 25 to 27L. There is probably an perfect size but it's hard to nail down a perfect size sometimes.
One thing about this board, like the hypto, it moves the wide point up a tad, less than the hypto but still forward. The volume from the looks of the pics looks to be concentrated under the chest for paddling so it is a board you don't want to size up too much.
I have not ridden this board but I'm basing it on the look of it and the description.
Im stuck Between 6”0 or 6”4 , I weigh 160, and I’m 6”2, but I’m just a casual surfer , any input is appreciated
you'll be fine with the 6'. 6'4 might be too big. I did a review and compared the 6' Sunday vs a 6'2 HK. You are only 15lbs more more than me. You have to give yourself a little bit of room to get better and have a board that challenges you just a tad. if you are going for cruiser, then get something like the Moe from firewire. your board should be around 34 to 36L at most. Lastly, make sure to get one with 5 fin boxes. at that size you will want options. Thrusters are a bit tight at that length.
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you were ripping on this one, think the narrower pin tail allows you to get away with extra volume
I have been really happy with my top wraps. Definitely a distinct difference which I'm really liking. I just need to get on some steeper faces. A lot of the ways in this video were decent with the exception of two days which were kind of mushy. On those days I couldn't connect anything.
@@ThomyeSurfs you were getting a little stuck at the bottom of the wave at the end of your cutbacks because of the narrow tail. I think that is partly technique, you need to start your top turn higher up the wave thereby ending the cutback higher on the wave which gives you more wave power to push you into the next turn. Also you could throw more weight forward when initiating the next pump at the end of the cutback to get you moving. Still great surfing in tiny waves.
Glazer or hypto?
I wish this was a simple answer but it gets complicated. I'm going to say HK for my quiver. This is based on the fact that it covers more conditions for the type of surfing I want. If I were looking for a small soft wave groveler, then maybe the Glazer.
The Glazer is shorter and wider for its relative volume. at around my 28L grovel range, that would be a 5'3 Glazer but a 5'6 HK. Based on this, that would imply that the Glazer is more of a groveler than the HK for smaller softer waves. It is also very flat rockered. In this grovel range (small 1 to 3 soft waves), I like the Mashup and Seaside so the Glazer for me is redundant. so for me, to get Grovel performance in bigger waves, the HK fits better in my quiver.
Having said that, I realized something in a comment to someone else. If you are shorter and heavier, the Glazer might fit better into ones stance. If you are taller and skinnier, then the HK is better. I say this because imagine if you are 5'5 and weigh 180. To get the liters, you would want to grovel at around 34L to 36L. In an HK, that is 5'11 to 6'. if you are only 5'5 with a relatively narrow stance, then that board has many challenges. length being an enemy to the design. It will still surf but be tight and the 5'5 surfer would be way behind the wide point. I like being behind the wide point but not that far. I tested a 6'2 HK and it sucked. On a Glazer, the same surfer would be riding a 5'7 or 5'8. That is 4" shorter which would put the wide point a little closer to the front foot of the surfer, making it easier to control and turn and easier to get further back on the board. it is also a flat board so sitting further back won't lift the nose as much.
Sorry for the long answer but definitely not a simple black and white answer. Many factor involved and for me to say one isn't fair to someone who might find it quite opposite.
@@ThomyeSurfs appreciate this detailed feedback. I’m shorter and heavier so I will stick with the glazer. 🤙🏾
2+1 when soft pull trailer? When its big we never switch back to thruster. Telepathy turning...it is reading your mind. No other explanation.
Based on your review it doesn’t seem like an oversized version would be good for someone coming down from 7ft + boards to learn to ride smaller boards. What would you recommend for someone who is 5-9 160 low level intermediate?
not necessarily. if you are coming off a 7'+ board then a cut down to a 6' is still massive. but I guess it depends on the7' board. I know judging from footage, something like the 7' Mid6 which is super maneuverable is probably better than the 6'2 Hypto I tested a 1/2 year ago. they are about the same liters and actually have the same tail but the concentration of foam through the middle is too much on the HK. The Mid6 foils it out better.
Anyways, again, it will depend. Don't be too in a hurry to shorten up your board. Personally, at your level, I would really consider the shortest version of the MOE or Mid6. not only will it get you on a lot of waves, but if you learn to control that board, which you will, you will become a better surfer much quicker. The other option is if you surf small waves, something like the sweet potato or twice baked. don't go too long. don't forget with short board, they are cramming more foam under the chest so they paddle better with less liters.
at your level, try not to go under 36L. I think 32 puts you at my ratio. but 38 to 40 will get you on a ton of waves. Watch harley ingleby surf the MOE and Mid6. Spend a year on one of those and you will get better way quicker. more waves the better.
Thanks! I should say I’ve had shorter boards. A 6’4” greedy beaver and a 6’6” Stoker V Machine. Recently just sold a 7’ Seaside and Beyond as I didn’t feel like it paddled well for the length. I’ve been surfing for around 4 years, 3-5 times a week. I actually just picked up a 7’10” Mid 6 for a good deal, a bit bigger than I wanted but the price was good. I will keep an eye out for a smaller one as well. I was thinking something in 6’4” to 6’10” range to work on trying a smaller board again, which seems kind of like a hard to find size as a lot of the models don’t scale up well for someone my weight.
@@zachk9890 funny you said that about the seaside and beyond. my brother has the 7' and he complained about the paddle too. he thought my 6'8 felt better padding, whether he was paddling better/faster, not sure but he said it felt better. someone else on the comments said something similar about the 7' S&B. wonder if the foil is just off.
GreT vid
Its my un-expert opinion that the fin setup is dictated by the rocker. Boards with increasing rocker through the tail don't suit a thruster fin set. ie boards with tail rocker are best as twins or 2+1
interesting. I'll have to test this out. I sold me only real performance board some years ago, that thing had major rocker. thanks for the insight.
Anyone else notice the guy walk across the screen at 8:55 with a hypto? 😂
I didn't notice that at all and I have the uncropped version. haha
@@ThomyeSurfs the HS symbol with the round pin tail tipped me off :)