What if? Tower says extend downwind. Or traffic cuts in at an uncontrolled. I have to argue that being Flexible, is key to being proficient and safe. Practice for different scenarios. Every landing is a go around on an aircraft carrier until the hook catches the wire. I’m not a cfi but I have the benefit of 25 years of flying experience and the one thing I can attest to is that being too rigid or expecting of a certain outcome is not only at times disappointing but even dangerous. Not trolling anyone but I truly believe flexibility is key sometimes. Fly often and be safe.
As a "Rusty Pilot" who's back in the air after 35+ years, it's all about regaining that "procedural" muscle memory way back when. Plus, some things have changed, from airspace to radio communication, to avionics. Jason's videos have been a big help getting up to speed.
Another little tip to keep you parallel with the runway on downwind is to get your heading bug set to runway heading before entering the pattern. This is especially helpful when the runway headings are completely misaligned to all landmarks. You’ll find it easy to not end up with a very short or very long base leg.
Did some Traffic Patter at KBUR for the first time today. My instructor wanted me to refine what I thought was a proficient traffic pattern. He sent me this video. Great teaching MzeroA!
Did my very first couple of landings at KIMS today and my instructor sent me right here to get better at perfecting the pattern and giving each leg its due diligence and not turn too early, thanks a lot for the info!
Wow! Look at all that open field! At my airport (KHWD), the base to final turn at 500’ MSL is right about over the roof of Macy’s at the mall. An extended downwind is out over the I-880/sr-92 interchange. Pattern altitude for 28L is 650’ due to being under the final approach course for Oakland. Also, I would rather curve my base to final a bit so as to make sure that I don’t overshoot the final approach course and end up encroaching on the 28R extended centerline. If we have to extend downwind, we actually add power and climb. (If we lose power, we don’t want to have to walk back to the airport!) So as another comment stated, be flexible.
Awesome..Thank you so much Ocala J...I will watch this video many times... Ocala J...I like your Scruffy Look during this introduction prior prior to this Video...YOU TRULY LOOK LIKE A REAL SAILOR...OH I FORGOT...YOU ARE AN AIRPLANE PERSON...WITH A SAILOR LOOK.. THANKS AGAIN JASON, sarasota bob
This maybe a bit of a dumb question (aviation enthusiast here) is there any particular length for each of the legs in a circuit pattern? in NM or minutes?
Hi Jorge! There are no dumb questions! Thanks for tuning in. To answer your question, you want to keep the pattern as tight as possible while giving yourself room to maneuver down to a safe landing. In a 172, a good rule of thumb is to put the runway "halfway up the strut" on downwind. This makes sure you have a good distance. You typically make the base turn when at a 45 degree angle from the runway while on downwind. As you get more comfortable in a specific aircraft, you'll master the pattern and know exactly when to turn and start down. Hope this helps answer your question! If you need more clarification or need anything else please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Thanks for watching!
I'm a follower of your channel since i can remember and i really enjoy listening and learning from you. I've an important question for you if you can help me out : I've an ICAO CPL(A) with multi IFR ratings, ATP written exams passed, and i want to convert and get an FAA one, how can i do that ? Is it possible to do it with you ?
Slightly off topic but I noticed that your cameras aren't static with the plane. Are they really bobbling like that or are you adding some effect during editing?
Hey Jason. Would like to ask you a quick question on landing. My home base has a 550 meter runway (1800 feet), which is hardly a short field, but still... the FAA manual says for short fields keep the speed on approach should be maximum 1.3 Vso. On the C172 that would make it 33 x 1.3 = 43 kias. The numbers on the POH for normal landings are 70 on final, 65 over threshold. I nailed these speeds on my last landing but floated down the runway, touched down in the middle of the runway but a bit too fast, and the end of the runway was really approaching too fast for comfort. I want to practice approaching at a slower speed but wanted to ask you for opinions also. Thanks a lot.
You need to look in your POH for correct approach speeds not FAA manual. On Cessna 172SP Vso is 40 kias. If you’re flying your approach at 43 kias that way too slow and an accident waiting to happen. Approach speed for short field landing is 61 kias on C172sp.
@@yevgenyzitser7107 so where do you think my numbers are coming from? :) 33 KIAS are by the POH from our C172P. The POH says 61 KIAS for short field landings. Seems excessive. I was very good at speed control and kept a very stable 65 KIAS on final, but still I floated like there's no tomorrow. I'll try 60... but I might go lower. Bush pilots definitely don't stick to the POH.
As a student pilot this was the second time I've heard to "put the runway about half way up the wing strut. My home airport's traffic pattern altitude is 1200' (1236') MSL but a field we went to for practice has a TPA of 800' MSL. Does that change the rule of thumb about "half way up the strut"? Thanks!
TPA is usually 1000' AGL and it's that relationship to the ground that really counts. MSL TPA is good for entering the pattern so you know what the altimeter should read but after that it's all ground reference. having the airfield mid-strut is good for visual reference and helping you stay parallel to the runway on the downwind. if the TPA is lower than 1000' AGL, keeping the midstrut reference will put you closer to the airfield by the same proportion since it's an indicator of your angle to the runway (eg 45 degrees down).
Hello! It takes practice really! It depends on how much the wind is blowing you, obstacles, etc. A good rule of thumb is to start a descent and then turn when you are about 45 degrees from the touchdown point. Adjust accordingly. I hope this helps!
Dr. Michaelson Not really. It’s different every time depending on wind/conditions. Just give yourself plenty of time. The longer the final, the more time you’ll have to set the plane up properly, so extend downwind if you need to.
"I'm checking final, it's looking good." should be taught, "I'm checking final for any unmentioned traffic, and final is clear of traffic." I don't know what "looking good" means, unless I ask my wife. As a professional pilot, watching some of these videos I think it's great for people learning, but ALL instructors should strive for technical description straight out of the FAA publications - to the maximum extent possible - because the written exam and the FAA Examiner at the conclusion of training - will expect the applicant to be describing all things as technically accurate as possible.
I had my first solo today! Thanks Jason for all your videos. This one helped me a lot. Dave in TX
What if? Tower says extend downwind. Or traffic cuts in at an uncontrolled. I have to argue that being Flexible, is key to being proficient and safe. Practice for different scenarios. Every landing is a go around on an aircraft carrier until the hook catches the wire. I’m not a cfi but I have the benefit of 25 years of flying experience and the one thing I can attest to is that being too rigid or expecting of a certain outcome is not only at times disappointing but even dangerous. Not trolling anyone but I truly believe flexibility is key sometimes. Fly often and be safe.
True, but flexibility is enabled by a strong core.
As a "Rusty Pilot" who's back in the air after 35+ years, it's all about regaining that "procedural" muscle memory way back when. Plus, some things have changed, from airspace to radio communication, to avionics. Jason's videos have been a big help getting up to speed.
Another little tip to keep you parallel with the runway on downwind is to get your heading bug set to runway heading before entering the pattern. This is especially helpful when the runway headings are completely misaligned to all landmarks. You’ll find it easy to not end up with a very short or very long base leg.
Did some Traffic Patter at KBUR for the first time today. My instructor wanted me to refine what I thought was a proficient traffic pattern. He sent me this video. Great teaching MzeroA!
How could anyone ever give a thumbs down with Jason? Best videos and personality on UA-cam.
prolly dey crashed their landings
Did my very first couple of landings at KIMS today and my instructor sent me right here to get better at perfecting the pattern and giving each leg its due diligence and not turn too early, thanks a lot for the info!
Great lesson! I struggle on when to turn from base to final and end up over or under shooting just a bit.
Wow! Look at all that open field! At my airport (KHWD), the base to final turn at 500’ MSL is right about over the roof of Macy’s at the mall. An extended downwind is out over the I-880/sr-92 interchange. Pattern altitude for 28L is 650’ due to being under the final approach course for Oakland. Also, I would rather curve my base to final a bit so as to make sure that I don’t overshoot the final approach course and end up encroaching on the 28R extended centerline. If we have to extend downwind, we actually add power and climb. (If we lose power, we don’t want to have to walk back to the airport!) So as another comment stated, be flexible.
Awesome..Thank you so much Ocala J...I will watch this video many times...
Ocala J...I like your Scruffy Look during this introduction prior prior to this Video...YOU TRULY LOOK LIKE A REAL SAILOR...OH I FORGOT...YOU ARE AN AIRPLANE PERSON...WITH A SAILOR LOOK..
THANKS AGAIN JASON,
sarasota bob
A perfect UA-cam video starts with a perfect title! 😉
Haha took me a second to get what you said
Im a student pilot and did some touch and goes at X60 today (Williston) nice little airport! Loving your content!
Are you doing flight school with sky chiefs? I’m thinking about doing lessons once I move to Gainesville for college
best teacher in the world thanks for clarity.
Do you trim the aircraft ? When you reduce the throttle , carb heat on and 1st notch of flaps ?
Do you have a video on the different entries into the pattern?
Great video. 2 nice watches!
I appreciate you sharing this ...
August 19th ... are you announcing you will be making flight lessons that can be imported to MSFS2020???
Dr. Michaelson It’s also National Aviation Day
Love the videos!
Thank you for your support!
This maybe a bit of a dumb question (aviation enthusiast here) is there any particular length for each of the legs in a circuit pattern? in NM or minutes?
Hi Jorge! There are no dumb questions! Thanks for tuning in. To answer your question, you want to keep the pattern as tight as possible while giving yourself room to maneuver down to a safe landing. In a 172, a good rule of thumb is to put the runway "halfway up the strut" on downwind. This makes sure you have a good distance. You typically make the base turn when at a 45 degree angle from the runway while on downwind. As you get more comfortable in a specific aircraft, you'll master the pattern and know exactly when to turn and start down. Hope this helps answer your question! If you need more clarification or need anything else please reach out to us at support@mzeroa.com. Thanks for watching!
Big fan of u man❤️ u do the best landing maneuver s
Thanks!
awesome advice!
How come the mic button is on the instrument board?
Hello! Some aircraft have that option as well as a PTT on the yoke. Thanks for watching!
I'm a follower of your channel since i can remember and i really enjoy listening and learning from you. I've an important question for you if you can help me out : I've an ICAO CPL(A) with multi IFR ratings, ATP written exams passed, and i want to convert and get an FAA one, how can i do that ? Is it possible to do it with you ?
How long should the crosswind be? Should the turn to downwind happen at pattern altitude?
Oops!...Is it an optical illusion or was that an under shoot? Looks you were lined up right of runway coming out of base.
Hi Muhammad! It is an optical illusion. It is based on where the camera is mounted. Thanks for watching!
That is like butter!!
Slightly off topic but I noticed that your cameras aren't static with the plane. Are they really bobbling like that or are you adding some effect during editing?
It's the auto stabilization in the cameras! Really cool tech
Oh boy. And Aug 19 is MY birthday !!!!!
The perfect birthday gift!!
August 19 is my checkride day
Hey Jason. Would like to ask you a quick question on landing. My home base has a 550 meter runway (1800 feet), which is hardly a short field, but still... the FAA manual says for short fields keep the speed on approach should be maximum 1.3 Vso. On the C172 that would make it 33 x 1.3 = 43 kias. The numbers on the POH for normal landings are 70 on final, 65 over threshold. I nailed these speeds on my last landing but floated down the runway, touched down in the middle of the runway but a bit too fast, and the end of the runway was really approaching too fast for comfort. I want to practice approaching at a slower speed but wanted to ask you for opinions also. Thanks a lot.
You need to look in your POH for correct approach speeds not FAA manual. On Cessna 172SP Vso is 40 kias. If you’re flying your approach at 43 kias that way too slow and an accident waiting to happen. Approach speed for short field landing is 61 kias on C172sp.
@@yevgenyzitser7107 so where do you think my numbers are coming from? :) 33 KIAS are by the POH from our C172P. The POH says 61 KIAS for short field landings. Seems excessive. I was very good at speed control and kept a very stable 65 KIAS on final, but still I floated like there's no tomorrow. I'll try 60... but I might go lower. Bush pilots definitely don't stick to the POH.
As a student pilot this was the second time I've heard to "put the runway about half way up the wing strut. My home airport's traffic pattern altitude is 1200' (1236') MSL but a field we went to for practice has a TPA of 800' MSL. Does that change the rule of thumb about "half way up the strut"? Thanks!
TPA is usually 1000' AGL and it's that relationship to the ground that really counts. MSL TPA is good for entering the pattern so you know what the altimeter should read but after that it's all ground reference. having the airfield mid-strut is good for visual reference and helping you stay parallel to the runway on the downwind. if the TPA is lower than 1000' AGL, keeping the midstrut reference will put you closer to the airfield by the same proportion since it's an indicator of your angle to the runway (eg 45 degrees down).
@@JakeHallNY thank you!
I always enjoy your videos.
Thicc Perfecct Traffic Patterns hahaha
Dummy thicc milk glass bod pattern
An tips on rate of descent after passing abeam the touchdown point?
Hello! It takes practice really! It depends on how much the wind is blowing you, obstacles, etc. A good rule of thumb is to start a descent and then turn when you are about 45 degrees from the touchdown point. Adjust accordingly. I hope this helps!
Great!
when to turn final not to overshoot or undershoot
Thanks for watching, Dhafer!
what is the ideal procedure when to turn base. I'm flying a C-172SP
45° from the end of the active runway, turn base. The struts on a 172 are good for reference.
@@wallabybob3020 any tips on when to turn final in a 172?
Dr. Michaelson Not really. It’s different every time depending on wind/conditions. Just give yourself plenty of time. The longer the final, the more time you’ll have to set the plane up properly, so extend downwind if you need to.
How do you apply this if ATC says to extend the downwind or that they'll call the base, for example?
well 18th August is when Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 releases. I'm wondering if your secret on the 19th August got any relation to that. LOL
My thoughts exactly. Maybe importing his lessons into MSFS?
NICE THANK YOU!
I’ve been using this technique and my instructor hasn’t had to get on the headset or controls…just been letting me do my thing lol
are you looking at your altimeter? Because i keep ultra focusing on my instruments when landing?
Frederic Crest
First view❤️
u got that psychopath energy bruh
I like how you blurred out the fact that your altitude was way too low on final 😊
"I'm checking final, it's looking good." should be taught, "I'm checking final for any unmentioned traffic, and final is clear of traffic." I don't know what "looking good" means, unless I ask my wife. As a professional pilot, watching some of these videos I think it's great for people learning, but ALL instructors should strive for technical description straight out of the FAA publications - to the maximum extent possible - because the written exam and the FAA Examiner at the conclusion of training - will expect the applicant to be describing all things as technically accurate as possible.
Thanks very much for watching, and for the valuable feedback!