ELEX vs DT 1990 PRO
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Elex is $700 - not $800. (Video correction)
Bcuz they updated the price. When it first launched it was 799
Make a review for dt1990 vs lcd 2
I hope you can get pair of the Final Audio Sonorous IV or Sonorous VI from a viewer, as they are right in that price range and should compare quite favorably to the Beyerdynamic DT1990 and Focal Elex MassDrop,
Great complete and concise review.
@josha valour
can u please tell me, where i can get the foam, that u used to modify the 1990 pro to cool down the highs?
and does this modification actually do a great job of getting rid of the the spike at the highs in the frequency response curve, according to u?
@@rigixup9398 I'd say a better review would be all three.
For me, it will be the 1990...for the simple reason that the "Made in France" Elex cannot be shipped...to France.
lol?
lmao
Exactly! It's already there... no reason to ship them ;-P
Get your butt out of the house & go grab them!!
Same for Germany. Elex is not available here, except the German made Beyerdynamic is available in Germany
VintageFlanker and for good reason
DT 1990s + orchestral music = it's like you're standing in the conductor spot. Absolutely sublime. The mid-bass is so clean yet punchy.
Any good for metal? I'm no critical listener or hardcore audiophile but i can't demo these before buying unfortunately
Your channel was a big part of my decision to purchase the 1990 Pros. Subbed
Got 1990's for Christmas 😍
lemin what a wonderful present
I got the LCD-2C 🙌🏼 easily the best Christmas presents
Damn. Someone loves you
I got beats studios for Christmas. I hurt my soul to smile when unwrapping it.
@@sydbailey1320 LOL It's the thought that matters right?
6:54 is just so funny to me because, while I'm sure this isn't the case, it looks like my man is putting himself in this sophisticated light while taking a sip of his choccy milk
DT1990 Pro always beat the rest of my headphone sets by far, including LCD2C - Beyerdynamic T1 2nd Gen - Sennheiser HD660S - B&W P7 & P9 Signature and Focal Clear which allegedly its a superior model to Focal Elex/Elear. No matter what model I'm using I always end-up returning to the 1990's because of the sound.
They're not perfect as you said, but they sound magical and very musical to my ears. I also put some foam to avoid sibilance on some tracks and some grainyness on some bright recordings. Other than that they're utterly perfect for me.
I wish Beyerdynamic would made a DT1990 Pro Special Edition with a Y cable (also hate headsets with single cables) a more comfortable headband and some minor sound improvements as we're entering in 2019. Or maybe a T1 3rd Gen inspired on the DT1990's? I was happy with T1 2nd gen until I bought the DT1990's which allegedly are lesser model.
Hi-Fi High End world its weird ...
I was thinking about DT1990 vs Clear ('cause I am considering to "upgrade" to Clear from DT1990, and skip Elex). Interested to hear DT1990 is still your pick.
Try sonarworks, you will achieve near perfection.
audiofreak DT 1990 was my endgame, I’ve never heard better headphone since I bought it, sublime 👌
I talked to a technician at Beyerdynamic here in Germany about the comparison of the DT 1990 PRO (which I own) with the T1 2nd Edition. He told me some things about both of them in comparison to each other and here I want to mention that he told me that even the T1 2nd Edition is the more expensive headphone it is not that extremely more detailed as the price is differing between both headphone models. Also the T1 (even if it is a very detailed headphone) is not showing all kinds of detail. If there are any mistakes in mixing, small popping-sounds through cutting mistakes or or other things like that, the T1 is hiding them more for enoying the music and not to be focused to much on mistakes. The DT 1990 would show these nistakes more clearly. And the reason why write this commentary is: The guy from eyerdynamic told me that the Telsla driver that is build in the DT 1990 is more evolved that the driver in the T1. But The driver in the T1 is build in slanted in the cups for there is a better listening difference for sounds coming from slightly behind. I like that on the T1, but overall the T1 sounds too boring and unobtrusive/reserved to me. Also the soundscape is too wide for my taste to the left and right. Some instruments sound to far way. When you imagine, that with the DT 1990 you sit inside a bubble and enjoy music, all the music and instruments arestill inside the bubble. But to me it "felt" like some sounds/frequencies/instruments are played from the outside the bubble. So it felt to me like I wanted to get these parts from the outside to the inside of the bubble. That feeling distracted me overall from listening to music (I listened to the T1 2nd Gen. at Beyerdynamic in Gemany directly in their showroom at the moment I already owned the DT 1990 for some weeks.) I like the DT 1990 much more, because the sounds there a catchier/punchier to the ear in comparion to the T1. But depending on someones listending behavoir on the other hand the DT 1990 is not recommended for relaxed listening (where the T1 is more recommended). If I listen to music, the DT 1999 (which I really like) is consuming almost all of my awareness the "headphone wants to have". I can barely do two things at once. I can either do something actively on the PC, but I feel myself disturbed by the headphones music then. Most of the time I have to choose between work on the PC without music from the headphone or completely focusing on music and the fantastic detail the DT 1990 offers. :-)
hd660s is far better than dt1990pro , way better sound
How do you only have 9k subs ma dude
Your videos are verry hight quality and u obviously put a lot of effort in
he now has over 59k 😊
@@saudal-khalid6710 I commented that one year ago
Nice how much the channel has grown since then
Fantastic review!, one of the best I've seen for a long time, never heard the Elex, but I have the DT 1990 and you've absolutely nailed their sound, you've explained it exceptionally well.
The DT1990 is currently my best and favorite headphone, with the next one being the K712. I use the analytical pads and some slight EQ. I use a FiiO X5II into an EL DAC/Atom combo at home via coax and a Chord Mojo for portable. Only EQ adjustment I make is dropping the 8k slider down by about 3.5db to tame the peak some and it's perfect.
Nice review really loved the intro!
Yo, I just wanna say, the editing for the intro was dope. Super cool, man. Great work!
Damn, you review everything I look up lol. You are amazing. Thank you
your drawing made it very clear to me and I think I finally understand what reviewers mean when the sound stage is far/narrow and imaging in the headphone. thanks.
Great review and comparisons! I wish I could get my hands on a DT 1990 to give them a listen. I was on the verge of buying one but when a Focal Clear Proffesional came up for 900$ (like new) I couldnt pass that up. The Focal Professional are amazing in their own category but I've always loved the Beyer house sound and hear praises about the DT1990. Maybe one day! I'm also interested in the DT1770 as well.
As a bass player who uses headphones for recording via high end audio amplifaicion and DI from my bass amplifier I use the DT1990... amazing transparent tone and sounds as if I"m playing it through my Aguilar DB715 and 410 cabinets in an acoustically perfect room.
Great intro, great video.
Just happened to be watching this video with my 1990.
Merry Xmas!
Just discovered your reviews. You're doing a fantastic job. Keep it up! thanks
seems like i'd prefer the elex from the way you described it. thanks
Weird intro... I LIKE IT
Your reviews are super informative and well put together. Also your headphone shots are like they where shot by a professional product photographer absolutely stunning shots!
Young Hemingway drinking chocolate milk at 6:54 was b-roll gold.
Watching this with my Dt 1990 Pro.
Look at Joshua’s opening scenes improving in real time. Nice work!
May be a bit late in the conversation but after LCD2C, Ananda, HD660s, HD700, HD800, GS2000, I’ve settled on the DT1990 pro. Great all rounder and very true to the recording. Value for money is out of the world. Well made and fantastic sound quality.
How do they compare to the ananda?
@@LukasBlau the 1990 pro has more dynamics whilst the ananda portrays the sound in a warmer lush safe manner.
@@bunkerbusterexplore Interesting and you prefer the 90s over the 800s aswell?
@@LukasBlau yes without a doubt. For a more accurate representation of the musical piece I’d vote the DT1990 over the 800”s. I’ve had a great journey with headphones over the last 5 years and the DT1990 was the endgame in my opinion. Clarity, dynamics. power, intimacy, it’s all there.
@@bunkerbusterexplore nice to hear , how does the soundstage of the 1990s feel , does it feel open /airy (enough) ?
I am very happy with the DT 1990 Pro's. I don't even think I'll have to upgrade for a very very long time.
And I was so lucky to pick these up for $499.
(Ended up getting the Elex, anyway) lel
I got them 2 years ago for 433€ on amazon.it. Total bargain!
@@audiofreak3453 and you're super lucky
Nice soundstage explanation, I try to do the same when I do tube testing as I think that tubes can change the default soundstage shape of a headphone. Keep up the good work man and merry Christmas!
Congested and noisy music genres become a joy with the 1990. Such a good headphone.
Thanks Josh, I've read countless reviews of both headphones, and this video is the only comparison between the two cans.
All of my music is well produced, and after watching your Elex review, and how you mentioned that these were the best set you've ever heard for well recorded music, I think I made the right decision going with focal.
On top of that, Dms and Zeos have both highly praised the Elex, and going off every review I've seen, everyone seems to be incredibly impressed.
6:54 dam that B-roll is like porno. Who knew watching a man drink his cup of coffee could be so satisfying. lol 🤣
Regarding Imaging:
I'd LOVE if you included such an imaging drawing for every phone you review, and also explain a little how they would fare in a gaming situation.
I recently tested all my cans for imaging, especially between directly forward and 90° to either side where the DT1990 seem to be less great, and the race was between ATH-AD 700x and Hifiman HE-4XX and IMO the Hifiman perform better in that critical diagonal area which us why they're my Go-To for CoD Black Out 4 atm.
Would you agree with my observation?
i now own the DT 1990 and i love them, your other video gave me the confidence with these and i wasn't disapointed at all.
. Was thinking of buying a heresy and modi 3 to pair with the dt 1990s
@@goonerlegend1504 Well according to Schiit's site the Heresy has same specs (namely wattage) of the Magni 3. I am using the Schiit Magni 3 (with SMSL SU-8 DAC) to power the DT 1990 Pro. I keep the amp volume cranked to max though because some songs are quiet. Others are louder so I have to turn down the volume to around 60-70%.
I've ordered the Topping A90 amp which I'm really looking forward to... Supposed to sound as good as the Benchmark HP4A but with a little less imaging.
So fucking happy I found your channel. Don't ever change
Your intro and that shot from 6:53 to 7:08 was nice! Also, thank you for explaining the soundstage and imaging so well (in all of your videos, but especially this one). I'm looking for a great competitive gaming headphone and was considering the T1, but I think you've convinced me to go with the 1990. In another video, you said the T1 puts the sound more in front of you, which I like for music. You've said the 1990 puts you more directly into the sound, which is better for gaming. Also, the imaging you've described for the 1990 here sounds perfect for gaming.
U gained urself a new sub...great work keep it up man
Soundstage baseball-field sketch and explanation for how it applies to audio is much appreciated brother !
Great comparison man! I’ve subscribed and look forward to more awesome content. Keep up the good work!
I wasn't really happy with the sound of the DT 1990 Pro as I'm looking for more of a "fun" headphone. However with the Dekoni Elite pads these sound so much better. The low end is louder and has a satisfying rumble that you can really feel.
Also I noticed in your review you mentioned these only have around 100 dB SPL, which is a spec I couldn't find before. That would explain why they are distorting lol... I like to listen music around 120 dB. I think a planar headphone might be better for my preferences. I'm considering Fostex T20RP with 1840 Shure pads. The T20RP MKIII have more bass than the T40 or T50 and pretty good midrange/treble. (Ideally I'd like Argons but I'm not willing to wait 14+ weeks to get them.) Hopefully my Topping A90 amp can drive them loud enough (110+ dB).
Cool review. I like the diagram. It shows a high level of thoughtfulness on your part. I wish you had gotten to try the Etymotic ER4s, because I'd love to know which headphone (if any) comes closest to that sound signature.
For jazz and classical music, which one would you prefer?
Great Video, Very well done!. I have the dt1990 pro and was wondering if the THXAAA789 is a good match for these? Or is there something better in the same price range?
Considering the 789 measurements, it will be a good match for anything. I don't think, you can get better at this price.
@@vintageflanker7096 Thank you
I just bought the 1990’s a couple weeks ago. I’m looking for a good dac/amp to push them. Any suggestions aside from the 789? I have a $260 or so budget I’m working with.
@@GSille-pq1ru Maybe the Aune X7S. It has a high output impedance but it should be alright for the 250ohms 1990.
@VintageFlanker thanks! I really appreciate it! Is that the only recommendation for 1990? I like to have couple of choices. Plus, I’m thinking of picking up the 1770 too.
I have dt1990 pro and i think it’s amayzing
3:24
The sound
Thanks for your time and thoughts Joshua. The fact that you need to insert thick foam pads inside the cups of the DT 1990 in order to use it doesn't "sound" right...
dude that intro shot was sick
Amazing video like aways. Your amazing when it comes to explaining headphones so thank you for this videos you bring us. I did have a question for you more of a request lol what are your thoughts on the DT 1900 VS the new 900 Pro x for mixing? Which ones in your ears would be a better pick even with a double the price bracket. Again thank you for your amazing videos keeep making them 🙏🏼‼️💯🚀
I can see how you speak out in favour of the soundstage and imaging of the 1990 because it has better separation and instruments are better wider positioned left / right in the soundstage. But I feel that you're missing one point here. Audio tracks aren't mastered for your taste / flavour of listening, and definitely not in the first place for headphone listening. What if the audio engineer really meant to put certain instrument in the 45 degree angle left and right off centre in the soundstage? That would mean that the DT-1990 can not reproduce that mix as well as the ELEX can. A good mix is more than just left and right for instruments and vocals (forward) in the centre. I think it is a bad habit that has been creeping up on people who listen too much on headphones and not often enough (or regularly) to a good pair of speakers that image well.
Elex vs your endgamer lcdx? Which one do you prefer?
Hey Josh, great stuff. Question, if you have a moment. I re-entering quality audio. Running Dragonfly red from pc to HD6XX. Using Tidal right now. One thing I don't hear is what files/sources people are using for their music?? What's the best actual source? There's no question I'm hearing a great difference, particularly in the Tidal master tracks. Thanks so much, great work!
Dt 1990 pro, HD 660s or Focal elex for mainly gaming and also listening music a ton. Wich one would you recommended?
i see you raised the budget 😂
Albeshr Yeah LOL Stil looking for an answer though
1990 is better for gaming than others.
Юрій Галущак wich amp and dac would you recommend and do you think the fulla 2 is enough?
@@lennardgalander5729 am at same spot as you. Considering the dt1990 with sound blast g6,
Love your editing :D
Im waiting for the Sennheiser HD 560 S to arrive in the mail, I have the DT 1990, 1770 and T1 3rd edition and was wondering about the Elex, I'm guessing I'll pass after seeing this and rather buy something.else for my collection, eighter the T1 1st edition, DT 880 600 Ohm or another planar magnetic. I have the ModHouse Argon's, M 1060 C modified to open back and a pair of heavy modified ThieAudio Phantom's ( Daily driver ) .. does anyone have some tips?
That intro was cool man!
Just got the 1990s so thanks for your review and head to head. Can you talk or do a video on the foam mod (how to do it) v analytical v balanced v Dekoni pads. And describe the sound between each?
I'm guessing the foam mod just smooths the treble a little. Since people complain these headphones are "too bright." I don't feel fatigue or pain from their treble, just hear more detail from it. And female vocals are more pleasing to the ear.
Analytical pads are like a 4" midrange/1" tweeter set. Very anemic with bass, but very good midrange and treble.
Balanced pads are like a 6.5" midbass/1" tweeter set, like a typical desktop speaker set. Great bass impact around 90 Hz+ (drums, etc.) but sub-bass is lacking.
Dekoni Elite pads are like just keeping everything the same but adding a 12" subwoofer. 😄
The balanced pads aren't tuned properly for strong low end. For example BASEMENT JAXX - Something About You, there's bass impact around 30 Hz, but the tesla drivers just make a sudden "PUH!" sound. Because all you hear is the drivers moving abruptly and noise produced, instead of a TUNED low end sound produced. That's what you get with the Dekoni Elite pads, they're tuned to give you the FULL audio experience.
Of course these are "studio" headphones though so you can't expect them to get super loud with sub-bass, like DJ headphones can or "fun" headphones like Fostex.
But I would say as someone who is somewhere between "basshead" and audiophile, the DT 1990 Pro with Dekoni Elite pads are very satisfactory for listening to music and movies. I know there's room for improvement though in sub-bass and with SPL, which is why I'm still looking for my "endgame" headphones (without spending over $3K). But if I had to settle on these headphones with the upgraded pads, I'd be very content.
That intro tho .. love it 😍
intelligent and articulate - very good production qualities ------- what microphone are you using? It looks bundled up,,,,,,,
Hi there, Joshua🙋🏻♂️! Would you mind reviewing the Neumann NDH 20 in the near future? Thanks a lot for your dedicated work, sir.
Very good comparison. Nice job
As for the soundstage tweaking, I found, as always, finding out a combination of "hertz of DAC link" & "seconds of PC buffer" in Jplay for specific grears & soundtrack is the solution.
Hey Josh, is your conclusion about the same if you compare the dt1990 single ended Vs Focal ELEX with the balanced cable or is there a big improvement in sound quality with the balanced cable?
Hey Joshua, can the Chord Mojo drive the 1900s well? I think the Mojo's super detailed but easy-on-the-ears high end might just be a perfect fit. Have you tried?
Great review! The elex look so sick in all black
Does this pair really well with the THX 789 ? for both dt 1990 and HD6XX ? Is there any wow factor with the combo amplified ?
What do you think about the 1990 now? So many people think they are literally crap compared to the likes of Hifiman.
I think the 1990 are awesome. A bit bright? Yeah of course. But easily lowered with a touch , just a touch of eq if needed
Hey Joshua what foam are you using on the DT 1990 to reduce the treble and where would one get such foam?
Well done, may be one of your best videos.
Which would you recommend for work (not an office I mean like the music being a bit more laid back so I can focus on my work) and fun listening? I mostly listen to EDM, 70s, 80s, some pop and dubstep/electro. I also like watching Netflix, and shows where audio matters, but that’s not priority #1. That would more just be splitting hairs for better TV sound. Anyway, can you help me?
massdrop is totally useless when youre from the EU, so the beyerdynamic wins by default.
True, I paid 27% VAT on my HD58x
Plus the DT-1990s are around £350-€400 new and the ELEXs are £500-€600 second hand. Price isn't even remotely close.
@@fabe61 hum..cheapest deal you can get for a new pair is on the beyersite on sale for 420€ which was the Blackfriday price.
Original price sits at 590€. Best thing to do, is to wait until it appears in the "outlet" section of the beyersite as B-stock for around 390€. which is pretty much the cheapest deal you will find for a brand new 1990 directly from Beyer.
But yah, since Drop closed the EU warehouse, it is kind of none-sensical to buy their stuff over here. On the other hand, the same goes for Schiit and THEY still have the EU warehouse, but are selling the "99$ best bang for the buck" stuff, for 135€ + shipping so thats around 155$ all together = not a good deal anymore.
It’s nice having crisp clean audio on a headphone review. You and DMS should convince Z to get a proper mic
Like I’d love to listen to the podcast, but Z’s audio is unacceptable
probably a stupid question, but which is better for gaming (both competitive and casual/single player) and movies?
I want to own the Dt 1990's at some point. I currently own DT990 premium. And yes, the treble is harsh. However, I've grown used to them over a couple of months and I honestly enjoy them a lot now. I prefer them over HD598's over some songs but the sennheiser are more enjoyable to use over time. Would you recommend the Sennheiser Hd599? They are the next headphones on my list of purchases.
Did you change your mind about the upper mid shouting of the Elex ?
because i don't see you mentioning the only con they have (as you said in their video review)
great comparison. im interested to see how the hifiman edition xx will compare to these two, since theyre all around the same price.
Do the Elex give a in your head type sound like the AKG headphones do? Don't really get that with my DT1990, but had a pair of K240 which did. If the Elex is closer to that sound I may buy the Elex.
havent heard so many adjectives used since elementary school english class
Just got the DT 1990 and wanted to know what kind of foam inserts you used
Akg 240 foam.
Z and DMS chose the ELEX as the best headphone under 1000 , but after watching your video I would definitely get the 1990s. Only one question remains for me, 1990s or LCD 2Cs with AAA 789?
Depends on if you like warm or analytical sound. The 2c is a very warm headphone. The 1990 is more technical. Pick your poison and run with it.
The aaa is a great choice btw.
@@JoshuaValour Thanks for the reply , I will buy the 1990s
You gotta go balanced with the Elex
I choose the Elex after watching this video. I want this to be my reference can. I will get the LCD2 when I have money for my next splurge. I have the HD700 if I want a little more treble emphasis (they don't seem overly bright to me at all)
Which one is better for gaming?
Hi Joshua Valour, two questions 1. can you please review the Bowers & Wilkins PX headphones? I'm very interested in your opinion. 2. I've been trying to find a good pair of closed-back wired or wireless audiophile headphones for portable use. (if that even exists) Can you give me some recommendations? Please help. Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Looking to upgrade my kit. Currently using AD900x on a sound blaster z. Have a x1s on the way and im wondering how much of an improvement dt 1990s would be over the 900x's, if at all . Anyone with experience, feedback would be appreciated! Accurate imaging is the most important thing for me, use these mostly for gaming, less for music.
Not sure if this will help at all, but I have the elex and audio technica a990z(also had the a900 before them), both closed back on the ATs. For gaming, I don't think the elex is a step up for positional sound or enjoyment (depending on the game). For music it's no contest though, the elex is much better. The audio technica's are really good for gaming. I do prefer the closed back versions though (for gaming).
Joshua Valour I have a Yamaha MG10xu mixer will this power the dt1990? Possibly just as good as an AMP?
2 important aspects missing from your reviews is 1. Price. DT1990 is much cheaper than the Elex (500$ vs 700$) and 2. The Elex can be run balanced, DT1990 is only SE. I personally pick the DT1990 because they are good at everything and is more useful in my studio environment (for music creation) but I’m sure the Elex in balanced mode would be pretty special.
He mentioned both of those things... 1) he said that the Elex has balanced and the DT1990 doesn't. That's why he used single ended for both. Said that in the beginning. 2) Also he mentioned that the Elex costs more when he said "it wouldn't be THAT much more of a step up in price to go to the Elex" it was $580 vs $700 at the time of this video so he was right and they were in the same price class. Now that the 1990 is down to 520, the gap is widening a bit more.
How do so many people confuse plastic and metal? Unless I can't tell the difference either the dt 1990 has the same amount of plastic and in the same places as the focal.
Josh, I wonder how you’d compare these two with the Sennheiser HD700. I have a pair of Elex and HD700 and I find them comparable to some extent. The HD700 has been much maligned (good for used prices) but I really like them, in some cases over the Elex depending on the music.
Just curious, what kind of music?
The elex drivers will blow out and the headband will fall apart in less than a year, The beyers will last a decade. That alone is all you need to know to make a decision.
Are the focal clear drivers built the same as the elex??
What kind of foam do you use in your 1990s?
You have an excellent way of describing sound, Joshua. Any ZMF headphones coming down the pike? Thanks
1770/1990 look so fucking good. I really like it. Shame I can only afford 770 and don't even have a good source so I am probably limited to 770/880/990 32-80ohms
Which of these two headphones would anyone recommend for casual gaming and movie watching?
Can i have both? I mean do they complement?
Just picked up a DT 1990 with a 3-prong mini xlr to 6.35mm periapt cable included on Ebay for $450, im so excited for this to arrive. Now to pick a good and Amp and Dac combo to drive these any suggestions? Primary use gaming and music.
Jds labs Element maybe? Super clean. And the 1990 don’t need a ton of power.
I would love to know how the Elex ($600) and DT 1990 ($500ish) stack against the Ananda ($700)
When I think you simply can not further improve those 'artistically spontaneous' critical headphone listening side-shots, you throw in some slow-mo. :)
Is your personal personal preference then Elex->DT1990->LCD2C->LCDX?
Please do Elex vs. LCD 2C. I will send you mine if you need the 2Cs again
Thatd be cool. I have the Elex and I want the LCD2 as well. It will probably be my next pair.
If u dont know what Banding is then check that 6:00 up to the left ...Now u know :)
Hd 58x, hd 6xx or He4xx for mainly gaming but also listening to music a ton. Wich one would you recommend guys?
TL;DR - I recommend the 58X personally. Reasoning below.
The 6XX and 58X are pretty similar for soundstage imo. The 4XX is quite a bit wider, especially balanced. I liked my 6XX and I like my 600's as well, but I'd probably say the 58X for gaming, because of it's brighter signature and just-wide-enough soundstage?
The 4XX was alright for gaming, but honestly I didn't like the comfort compared to the senns and I, personally didn't like the 4XX soundstage for gaming.
For music? My personal preference is for either of the Senns. The 6XX will scale better with higher-end upstream gear, but I beat on my 58X and used them as my daily drivers (mixed use) until I donated them to my mother for this Xmas (tomorrow).
Especially if it's your first headphone and you don't wanna make a huge investment, I'd say go for the 58X, spend some time with it, and then maybe borrow the 6XX and or 4XX to see if you like them.
But that's my personal opinion and experiences. Your ears and preferences may well be different from mine, so I generally recommend trying things for yourself if you're interested in them.
The 58X is a low-cost, low-risk intro to Sennheisers, that is competent for music and games. Intimate/Accurate Soundstage.
The 6XX is an HD 650. It's great for music and competant for gaming. The comparatively darker sound signature (less treble) to the 58X can make it less enjoyable for gaming. Intimate/Accurate soundstage.
The 4XX is, to my ears, brighter than either of them, but just as bassy. But it's wider soundstage makes it somewhat less accurate in the imaging department. Again, to my ears.
@@PhantomGett Thank you for the answer I'm still thinking about it because many people said that he 4xx had better soundstage and imaging compared to the 6xx.
@@lennardgalander5729 well, just goes to show people hear stuff differently. The soundstage is definitely wider for the 4XX. It's possible I just prefer the Sennheiser house sound over the Hifiman.
I would get the HD 6XX. The sound from 6XX is more refined than 58X.
I have the HD58X and 6XX and think the 6XX sounds better on like 90% of the music I put through it (not just acoustic/vocal centric stuff like a lot of reviewers say they're best for, there was a lot of exciting music they were better for too ime). While there are certain things I like about the 58X (more oomph to the bass) it always feels like it's missing ~7% of the detail to my ears (emphasis on *my* ears) and the treble always feels sorta.. Muffled, I don't know. It's really subtle and I get why everyone likes them so much, but I think the 6XX definitely has some clarity that's missing from the 58X.
Buttt with all that said, you'd did say primarily for gaming- the 58X's really do have fairly noticeably better imagining (Pausing where I was in god of war and switching headphones immediately showed this because rather than hearing a voice next to me, I could hear a voice to my right. I wasn't purposefully even trying to check for imagining here either, it just hit me right when I unpaused it)
So all in all, I'd say to get the 58X's and invest in an amp/dac. (or 4xx as I have no experience with those)
Had the elegia...had to change the cables three times and each time i had to wait two months....and the elegia chrunches with every little Head-movement....i bought instead the dt 1990.... Happier then ever....Never again made in france....thanks beyer!!
Nice comparison.
So beyer, in most headphones that I’ve seen the reviews, they tend to be bright it seems
Yeah the DT 1990 will pick Sibilance and imperfectios in recordings with ease if you are sensitive to Sibilance these might not be for you. I would say try them and if you don't like them return them. ( i have the DT 990 pro and love them although sibilance in recordings/videos can be so harsh that i wince and turn the volume down)
@@arcanekand I have tried the dt990 before albeit for just a few minutes, man it's one of the most comfortable headphone that I've tried. But, I don't like bright cans. Maybe I would try one out
Elex Vs LCD-2C?
2C's Have a STRONG Mid focus with Absolutely linear bass with distortions levels of Stax headphones, In theory, while not as "reference like" as the Elex, the 2C's should handle EQ Corrections Better.