Yeah, hell technically held up their end of the bargain... by turning her body into a vessel for the Spider Mastermind that had apparently been whispering into her ear all along.
If the Wiki page is any indication, the aranea imperatrix is a prophesized being said to be created by forming a union between a demon and a "keyholder", female. It goes on to describe the spider Mastermind as a form being granted to Olivia in exchange for opening the gateway to hell on Mars. It remains unknown if she can control it or not. But in any case, the cinematic is meant as a transformation as opposed to a sacrifice
I never got the impression that Olivia "turned into the Mastermind"... seems more like she got absorbed into hell energy that fueled the Spider Mastermind. I didn't see any sort of transformation or indication that it happened other than her disappearing and it appearing.
Same here, It never even pop in to my mind that she could be turned into that. For me it looked like she was just devoured by hell, or used as a bait to lure Doom Slayer to be "killed' Ekhm... by Mastermind
@@Blake5467 It is in the lore of Doom 2016 its her, there is a tree that whispers prophecies and one of them is: "The heretic-turned-apostle Olivia, birthed of the dawn of our resurrection, by her hand we cross the divide. And for her tribute, she shall be granted the form of the Dread Widow."
@@Tuberuser187 also both have big wrinkle brains, although making a deal with Hell can be a pretty smooth brain move, like what happened with the Betrayer.
I think she was sacrificed to summon the spider mastermind once again. It was already crushed by the slayer in doom 1, (they are the same dude by the way)
rcc it's interesting because Aranea Imperatrix essentially translates to "Spider Empress" which would imply one of two things Either the spider mastermind is a female, or the vessel that it possesses has to be a female otherwise it won't work Btw ImperaTRIX is the feminine equivalent to ImperaTOR
I 100% agree. If they never showed the transformation, how are we supposed to figure it out. Also how did they make her the spider mastermind in a few seconds? Shouldn't that kind of thing take hours at least?
I always thought the Spider Mastermind was a separate entity from Olivia Pierce, and that when she died her life force was transferred into the Spider Mastermind lurking underground. The Spider Mastermind also uses UAC technology, so it’s entirely possible that they constructed a body for him.
Notice how similar the spider mastermind’s mechanical body looks to the Khan Makyr or the first stage icon of sin? The khan makyr’s theme also has similarities with the spider mastermind’s theme. Mick Gordon said: “there’s a reason for that.”
1. Spider Mastermind is a she 2. Lore explicitly says "she will be granted the form of the dread widow", so it _is_ a transformation or rebirth. I think the implication is that Olivia was used to resurrect Spiderdemon-kind.
SimpleStupidity101 The demons of Hell are immortal; they respawn no matter how many times the Doom Slayer kills them It’s basically why the demons fear him so much: pretty much every demon has met the man
This is how you make a bad-ass and interesting female character. They don't always have to be the hero, be correct, or be the person everyone naturally likes either.
"it wont return" except for the fact that the remaining brain is still pulsing. and also the mother demon in this demension could bring her back to life
Honestly i think she thought hell or the dark lord was going to take her pain away permanently without killing her or maiming her in any way, but hell is always going to be cunning and disingenuous. So she got turned into the spider mastermind
I'm not ready. I don't think anyone's ready. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the game. Based on what I've learned about it, and the gameplay videos I've seen, I have a hard time believing that something this good can actually exist. The only possible flaws I might expect from it is a lack of mod support, but in literally every other category, it is worlds better than I could have even hoped.
1. As far as Doom: Eternal is concerned? The Spider Mastermind is Lady Not-Appearing-in-this-Game. 2. Lore in Doom 2016 explicitly says "she will be granted the form of the dread widow" - so yes, it was a transformation/rebirth (similar to Malcom Betreuger in Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil).
Im ready for rip and tear until it's done. I think olivia will not appear in Doom Eternal because she is only used for hell purposes in Doom 2016 and she's obviously death.
The events of Doom 2016 could have been avoided if Samuel Hayden actually gave a crap and checked in on Olivia every once in a while to make sure she wasn’t being seduced by the demons.
Funny how the primary antagonists of the new games were both female (Olivia Pierce & Spider Mastermind, Khan Maykr). That leads me to believe that the sequel to Doom Eternal will likely feature the Mother Demon from Doom 64.
The countdown is on, ahh I can't wait for this game to be released as a veteran of the original doom back in 1993 I am excited for doom eternal! Let's hope ID software will pay homage to Doom in a third game and maybe possibly naming it Final Doom, and let's hope that game will be completely set in the realm of hell and have no levels on Mars or any type of space station, just barren landscapes of hell to fight demons on.
deathsyth8888 Olivia Pierce definitely looks a lot like Tilda Swinton, but the character was actually voiced by an actress named Abby Craden www.imdb.com/name/nm1980534/filmotype/actress?ref_=m_nmfm_1
@@Cawshes Tilda Swinton actually digitized herself and put her consciousness into the game to play Olivia Pearce. That's how committed she is when she plays a role.
In this video i found out no-one will ever diminish Olivias role in waking the Doomslayer. I also learned that Olivia was trying to prevent the Doomslayer from ever being found and she failed 🤷♂️🤔
From what i saw , she was pulled under and devoured by the spidermastermind, never thoght she was actually the spidermastermind. Would logically think those things would take time to developed, but no doubt the spidermastermind absorbed what she knew..
KRXWN VXK I played the game on the hardest difficulty that you can start with. Ultra Violent I think. Anyways she was insanely hard. Cyber Demon is a strong number 2. And that other boss was trash easy.
it's mainly because the whole game is about how much of a badass you are and while the difficulty is hard and remains challenging, towards it ramps down because you are so overpowered, and it's an earned feeling, I feel like ID made this boss the easiest to reinforce that feeling.
But wait...aren't we fighting Hell? If so, her soul would be on a one way ticket there. She could very well be brought back by the forces of evil bigger and badder than before....I bet this happens. I will know in very short order from now. I'm getting my two copies tomorrow night at 9:00 PM! ;)
Ayo I think that the spider master mind was the one from the original doom and was revived by the hell priest using Olivia as a sacrifice or conduit for it to be through, after all when ya look at the codex they speak of the spider mastermind as this thing that has long existed before Olivia even turned into it which helps to imply that it’s the same spider mastermind from the OG doom and it’s remains were found by the UAC. Plus in the codex it states that the mastermind would return when he’ll was released again and it would become one with the the key holder, that being Olivia who opened a leggit portal or doorway to hell, this makes sense when the codex says that the key holder will become one with the master.
It is kinda weird that doom 2016 and eternal kinda parreles doom 1993 and doom 2 final boss doom 1 being the spider mastermind while doom eternal has le icon of sin
*spoilers for anyone that hasnt played doom eternal yet* Instead of reviving the spidermaster mind. They use the remains of it and create mini forms of her. These mini clones almost act the same way as the spider mastermind. I got two things floating about. One: the clones use the same brain parts of the spider mastermind. So clone could be olivatrying to kill the slayer again. Two: Not oliva. But rather diffrent creatures. Making them completly diffrent.
@@PapaNihil-w3x ah interesting.🤔 I always thought it was the devil himself as a spirit. Which is why the slayer cannot find or kill him. I don't know 🤷🏽♂️
@@thelonepainter4760 i believe it to infact be 'the heart of hell' as the icon of sin is dead (tho resurrected in eternal) and the mastermind doesn't talk
@@cameronhunter6751 it was because of the Hell corruption that caused hey obsessions. The obsessions let to things like the location of the Slayer when she have the deal with the Dark One, the Lazerus Project, and the Lazerus wave. When she fired the wave, Samuel had to open the tomb. Hayden's decision was made due to Pierce's own actions
Doom 3 was the scariest thing experience I’d ever had (until Dead Space). This game looks amazing, but I’d love to see a next gen horror take like the third.
In her final codex entry she basically told all her disciples that she was the only one to benefit from hell, and that they would all be demon food, forgotten for eternity. Her final words to her followers were: "May you rot in hell."
I have to say I found Olivia Pierce to be an extremely boring and clichèd character. It felt like she could have been the villain in any number of games or movies and it annoyed me to listen to her diatribes and musings.
I always thought the spider mastermind possessed her, given that codex entry implying that it existed for a long time
Makes sense
Yeah, hell technically held up their end of the bargain... by turning her body into a vessel for the Spider Mastermind that had apparently been whispering into her ear all along.
Yes, look up Aranea Imperatrix
If the Wiki page is any indication, the aranea imperatrix is a prophesized being said to be created by forming a union between a demon and a "keyholder", female. It goes on to describe the spider Mastermind as a form being granted to Olivia in exchange for opening the gateway to hell on Mars. It remains unknown if she can control it or not. But in any case, the cinematic is meant as a transformation as opposed to a sacrifice
I thought they sacrificed her to resurrect it.
I never got the impression that Olivia "turned into the Mastermind"... seems more like she got absorbed into hell energy that fueled the Spider Mastermind. I didn't see any sort of transformation or indication that it happened other than her disappearing and it appearing.
The Spider Masterminds frame looks similar to the exoskeleton suit she wears. No one knows for sure but I can see the argument for both sides to this.
Same here, It never even pop in to my mind that she could be turned into that. For me it looked like she was just devoured by hell, or used as a bait to lure Doom Slayer to be "killed' Ekhm... by Mastermind
I though it was obvious
@@Blake5467 It is in the lore of Doom 2016 its her, there is a tree that whispers prophecies and one of them is:
"The heretic-turned-apostle Olivia, birthed of the dawn of our resurrection, by her hand we cross the divide. And for her tribute, she shall be granted the form of the Dread Widow."
@@Tuberuser187 also both have big wrinkle brains, although making a deal with Hell can be a pretty smooth brain move, like what happened with the Betrayer.
It doesn't matter if Olivia turned into the Spider Mastermind or if she was just sacrificed. Either way it was only alive for about 5 minutes lol
It was said she was given the form of the dread widow as a type of reward
Hahaha 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆 😂 😆
You mean 2 minutes, right?
I never got if she was transformed into the spider mastermind or if the spidermastermind already existed and she became merged with it
Aranea Imperatrix was the demon entity that possessed her. It existed before her.
I think she was sacrificed to summon the spider mastermind once again. It was already crushed by the slayer in doom 1, (they are the same dude by the way)
rcc it's interesting because Aranea Imperatrix essentially translates to "Spider Empress" which would imply one of two things
Either the spider mastermind is a female, or the vessel that it possesses has to be a female otherwise it won't work
Btw ImperaTRIX is the feminine equivalent to ImperaTOR
I 100% agree. If they never showed the transformation, how are we supposed to figure it out. Also how did they make her the spider mastermind in a few seconds? Shouldn't that kind of thing take hours at least?
There’s actually a statue of her you find in the final levels in hell. It’s kind of a cool little nod to the last game.
I always thought the Spider Mastermind was a separate entity from Olivia Pierce, and that when she died her life force was transferred into the Spider Mastermind lurking underground. The Spider Mastermind also uses UAC technology, so it’s entirely possible that they constructed a body for him.
Notice how similar the spider mastermind’s mechanical body looks to the Khan Makyr or the first stage icon of sin?
The khan makyr’s theme also has similarities with the spider mastermind’s theme.
Mick Gordon said: “there’s a reason for that.”
@@Jim-iz3oy Interesting... maybe they are one and the same but one is evil and one is good? Maybe some kind of Ying and Yang balance?
Spider mastermind is female
@@Jim-iz3oy could the makyrs built the mastermind?
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1. Spider Mastermind is a she
2. Lore explicitly says "she will be granted the form of the dread widow", so it _is_ a transformation or rebirth.
I think the implication is that Olivia was used to resurrect Spiderdemon-kind.
Title Edit: "Who WAS the Spider Mastermind?- Before you play DOOM Eternal"
Actually he could still be alive
@@halogalaxy5612 not for long...
SimpleStupidity101
The demons of Hell are immortal; they respawn no matter how many times the Doom Slayer kills them
It’s basically why the demons fear him so much: pretty much every demon has met the man
Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower Sources or else false
Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower thanks for the Rakuyo
She was technically the mastermind behind the hell invasion on Mars.
This is how you make a bad-ass and interesting female character. They don't always have to be the hero, be correct, or be the person everyone naturally likes either.
It helps that Doom 4 had 4 characters, including one that literally never speaks.
A 7 minute video about how you don’t know that the spider mastermind and Olivia pierce are two separate characters
"it wont return" except for the fact that the remaining brain is still pulsing. and also the mother demon in this demension could bring her back to life
Honestly hell did not lie to Olivia
They took away the pain of her augmented body by killing her or turning her into the spider mastermind
Honestly i think she thought hell or the dark lord was going to take her pain away permanently without killing her or maiming her in any way, but hell is always going to be cunning and disingenuous. So she got turned into the spider mastermind
Who is pumped for doom eternal? Just 6 more days
I AM
I'm not ready. I don't think anyone's ready. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the game. Based on what I've learned about it, and the gameplay videos I've seen, I have a hard time believing that something this good can actually exist. The only possible flaws I might expect from it is a lack of mod support, but in literally every other category, it is worlds better than I could have even hoped.
Ready is not what I call to wait for a game after playing its prequel... I am fucking pumped for ETERNAL
@richard nitsch me too
Who isn't
I think Olivia survived more being herself san being the spider master mind
Some thing i noticed about what once was the spider mastermind is that it seems to have used makyr technology i mean take a look at it
The OG spider mastermind: *am i joke to you?*
1. As far as Doom: Eternal is concerned?
The Spider Mastermind is Lady Not-Appearing-in-this-Game.
2. Lore in Doom 2016 explicitly says "she will be granted the form of the dread widow" - so yes, it was a transformation/rebirth (similar to Malcom Betreuger in Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil).
But it's never answered, why is the Spider Mastermind a cyborg demon? I thought all demons with robotics were experimented on by the UAC?
I was under the impression that she was sacrificed to summon the Mastermind
I always wondered what happened to Olivia through the course of the game. You see her briefly at the tower and she's all cut up.
Im ready for rip and tear until it's done.
I think olivia will not appear in Doom Eternal because she is only used for hell purposes in Doom 2016 and she's obviously death.
Dead
@@MultiScarface7 he meant deaf
@@Cawshes Lmao I dont think so
The events of Doom 2016 could have been avoided if Samuel Hayden actually gave a crap and checked in on Olivia every once in a while to make sure she wasn’t being seduced by the demons.
Funny how the primary antagonists of the new games were both female (Olivia Pierce & Spider Mastermind, Khan Maykr). That leads me to believe that the sequel to Doom Eternal will likely feature the Mother Demon from Doom 64.
The countdown is on, ahh I can't wait for this game to be released as a veteran of the original doom back in 1993 I am excited for doom eternal! Let's hope ID software will pay homage to Doom in a third game and maybe possibly naming it Final Doom, and let's hope that game will be completely set in the realm of hell and have no levels on Mars or any type of space station, just barren landscapes of hell to fight demons on.
Spider mastermind used her actually as a portal to fight the doom guy..
Demons: did you kill the slayer 😈
Olivia soul: no😥
Demons: YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL 👿
Well, she got a statue of herself in Nekravol... which the Slayer eventually toppled over
This friday yall.... THIS FRIDAY
6 months old comment though.
As much as I wanna play Doom... I need to pay rent to Tom Nook
Eric Ling is that ur landlord
@@jokerwildz100989 basically
@@jokerwildz100989 bruh
The Doom Slayer is a doomer
ok doomer
Ok doomer
Okay doomer
remooD kO
Ok doomer
Tilda Swinton does amazing work playing the Olvia Pearce and the Spider Mastermind.
deathsyth8888 Olivia Pierce definitely looks a lot like Tilda Swinton, but the character was actually voiced by an actress named Abby Craden www.imdb.com/name/nm1980534/filmotype/actress?ref_=m_nmfm_1
@@SteelPhoenix78 but her character was based off Tilda
@@Cawshes Tilda Swinton actually digitized herself and put her consciousness into the game to play Olivia Pearce. That's how committed she is when she plays a role.
In doom eternal it says that the arachnitrons you find throughout the game are made from the remnants of the mastermind.
If you read the Codex entry of the Aracnotron, it states that each one of these enemies has a piece of Olivia Pierce's DNA.
it says genetic material from the original spider mastermind. it does not specifically mention olivia by name
1 more week ripping and tearing at my soul.
If doom 2016 is pretty much doom 1 and eternal is doom 2
Will there be a doom 3 remake then🤔
Brainy boi
Brainy gurl
@@homiespaghetti1522 brainy thing
@@Rephical brainy fucker
Me:(sees thumbnail)
Why do I feel Predator vibes from this?
The mastermind kinda looks like a corrupted Mayker
Hang on that was Olivia? I assumed she was sacrificed for the Spider Mastermind
Its amazing you guy make videos out of the Doomx16 codexs....
In this video i found out no-one will ever diminish Olivias role in waking the Doomslayer.
I also learned that Olivia was trying to prevent the Doomslayer from ever being found and she failed 🤷♂️🤔
From what i saw , she was pulled under and devoured by the spidermastermind, never thoght she was actually the spidermastermind.
Would logically think those things would take time to developed, but no doubt the spidermastermind absorbed what she knew..
This was the easiest boss in my opinion, weird they saved her for last
KRXWN VXK I played the game on the hardest difficulty that you can start with. Ultra Violent I think. Anyways she was insanely hard. Cyber Demon is a strong number 2. And that other boss was trash easy.
it's mainly because the whole game is about how much of a badass you are and while the difficulty is hard and remains challenging, towards it ramps down because you are so overpowered, and it's an earned feeling, I feel like ID made this boss the easiest to reinforce that feeling.
If we could figure out a way to get "ghosts/spirits" to spin a turbine we would have all the free energy we could ever need.
The itsy bitsy spider made a deal with the devil
But wait...aren't we fighting Hell? If so, her soul would be on a one way ticket there. She could very well be brought back by the forces of evil bigger and badder than before....I bet this happens. I will know in very short order from now. I'm getting my two copies tomorrow night at 9:00 PM! ;)
Ayo I think that the spider master mind was the one from the original doom and was revived by the hell priest using Olivia as a sacrifice or conduit for it to be through, after all when ya look at the codex they speak of the spider mastermind as this thing that has long existed before Olivia even turned into it which helps to imply that it’s the same spider mastermind from the OG doom and it’s remains were found by the UAC. Plus in the codex it states that the mastermind would return when he’ll was released again and it would become one with the the key holder, that being Olivia who opened a leggit portal or doorway to hell, this makes sense when the codex says that the key holder will become one with the master.
And here I thought I learn something about the Spider Mastermind and not Olivia ...
yeah hell pretty much straight up broke her
@richard nitsch nah son, hell broke her, the doom slayer obliterated her
@richard nitsch it really is the best (and only) reverse-survival horror game there is
make this movie and use tilda swinton for her character
Hahaha, precisely...
It is kinda weird that doom 2016 and eternal kinda parreles doom 1993 and doom 2 final boss doom 1 being the spider mastermind while doom eternal has le icon of sin
I hate it when people use the word _decimate_ incorrectly.
Really excited for doom eternal
Olivia's suit looks familiar to the outfit of the woman from doom 3!
I thought she just died and then when the spider mastermind rose from below and crushed her fucking body
*spoilers for anyone that hasnt played doom eternal yet*
Instead of reviving the spidermaster mind. They use the remains of it and create mini forms of her. These mini clones almost act the same way as the spider mastermind. I got two things floating about.
One: the clones use the same brain parts of the spider mastermind. So clone could be olivatrying to kill the slayer again.
Two: Not oliva. But rather diffrent creatures. Making them completly diffrent.
I wanted to see Spider Mastermind in Doom Eternal again like Cyberdemon ;-; but I don’t think soo.
Bowser Tuga there are more demons no just one
Francisco Santos i know that, im not dumb :|
vamos pretender que nenhum de nós é tuga
There's like 3 in Doom 2, so there could be more.
Damn young Olivia pierce lookin like Hillary Clinton
She also sort of looked like her before she turned into the spider
Everything looks anything to a braindead rat like you.
Actually Kellyanne Conway, and if you imagine the brain to be a empty distorted virtual mask, the Spider is obviously Trump.
@@bfkc111 true
@BFKC, looks like someone's a little sensitive. Calm down snowflake, it was only a joke
Next week baby!
Three words: Saparidon Soul Drinkers.
Does it really matter? It dead immediately after it got up
For a second it thought this was agony
To the daemons, you are the monster.
this is doom 2016
The Spider Mastermind is not that woman...
So we're ignoring the spider mastermind which has been a thing since 1993.
Who is Olivia Pierce? is what you meant to write
Yeah the spider Mastermind in the first game was a hard boss to fight yeah
That's a channel I won't have to subscribe to. At least I got that out of it...
So but why do you barely have any ammo throughout this entire video
Does anyone know who the demonic voice was, that she spoke to?
In the art book for doom it was said hell in it's whole is a living being, perhaps it's connected to that?
@@PapaNihil-w3x ah interesting.🤔 I always thought it was the devil himself as a spirit. Which is why the slayer cannot find or kill him. I don't know 🤷🏽♂️
@@thelonepainter4760 i believe it to infact be 'the heart of hell' as the icon of sin is dead (tho resurrected in eternal) and the mastermind doesn't talk
I think its a collective consciousness of Hell. Doom's version of Hell.
Its the current dark lord,
The Nameless One.
they turned her into a statue next
Her statue is in doom eternal
Title should be: "Who was Olivia"
Hey only purpose in life was too reawaken the Slayer.
Samuel Hayden was the one that brought Doom Slayer back.
@@cameronhunter6751 it was because of the Hell corruption that caused hey obsessions. The obsessions let to things like the location of the Slayer when she have the deal with the Dark One, the Lazerus Project, and the Lazerus wave. When she fired the wave, Samuel had to open the tomb. Hayden's decision was made due to Pierce's own actions
@@Kawika. Well when you put that way, I never thought about it like that.
@@cameronhunter6751 Mind size: MEGA
Those 9 dislikes are dead to me
Idiopathic means the onset of a disease is unknown. There’s no known cause.
Still don't know who the Spider Mastermind is.
Doom Slayer: *A target*
Doom 3 was the scariest thing experience I’d ever had (until Dead Space). This game looks amazing, but I’d love to see a next gen horror take like the third.
do not like spoilers
The game has been out for almost 4 years, more than plenty of time for you play it.
She may appear in Eternal, Olivia is just it's reincarnation, so, technically, she might come back
That was awesome
Hello, people. Please. Who ls CyberDemon...
Can I play doom baby
The internet
omg so many things wrong...
I feel bad for Olivia ):
In her final codex entry she basically told all her disciples that she was the only one to benefit from hell, and that they would all be demon food, forgotten for eternity. Her final words to her followers were: "May you rot in hell."
@@TheYoshi115 scratch that. I dont give a shit about olivia 😁
ok, doomer
Okay doomer
You speak too much Olivia title says "Who Is The Spider Mastermind?" Yes it is Olivia but c mon....
Spider mastermind is one easy boss of ev doom game
I have to say I found Olivia Pierce to be an extremely boring and clichèd character. It felt like she could have been the villain in any number of games or movies and it annoyed me to listen to her diatribes and musings.
Reply spiderman jokes here:
Olivia was hoping to turn out as a Spider woman. But she got bit by the wrong spider...
!It's a little curious that the ultimate big bad of the game's story is a human!"
1 word: *BETRUGER*
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