I don't think people realize the sheer amount of technical knowledge that goes into designing and machining these parts you make. Plus you do it on DIY machines in your shed! Great work man, keep it up!
That is exactly who I thought of when he said "another youtuber who bought an RC car with a 3 speed transmission". I watched that episode. And this is hella neat to see it scaled up!
Not just the ending. I assumed it was part of TOT's go-kart series from the thumbnail, and was really confused bout how I hadn't seen it in my subs at first.
I like that he didn't explain it as he was working on it it gave the chance to try and figure out how it worked then he explained it fore anyone that didn't understand it
I think you will need something to absorb the shock when 2nd Gear engages. Maybe a v-belt between engine and transmission or the shock absorber from a small car clutch ( the inner section of the clutch disk with 4 radial coil springs) or a combination of both, just to give the engine at least a fraction of a second to slow down. otherwise something will break...
This is fantastic! Essentially made a centrifugal clutch for gears! It’s going to be fun figuring out the correct spring ratio and finding out how much torque the one way bearings can handle. Should be quite a bit if I remember how they work.
old sears minibikes had a similar setup, just with two centrifugal clutches and a sprag. i'd imagine this setup will be pretty jarring going between high and low, the two clutch method that sears used was very smooth
I’m a machinist. This is certifiable nice work. You did a lot of thinking ahead building that pawl. I like your solution to match drilling the hinge pin too. Grinding a clearance notch so you can drill the hole using the pawl as a drill fixture. So what else, you say? I say I like it.
I was looking at using similar one way bearings on a kart but the torque limit on them is basically nothing. I'm very interested to see how these hold up! Also on most centrifugal sprag two speed gear setups have the sprag/dog mechanism on the driven shaft(in this case the axle) and not the driver shaft. If you have problems with it shifting into second and right back, or not staying in second properly then you might want to consider this. RC two speeds have that setup where the sprag/dog is on the spur gear (driven side) and not the pinion gear (driver side)
I was gunna comment this too, the one way clutch should be on the wheel axle side so that vehicle speed determines the shift point not the engine rpm. Else like you said, if you're trying to climb a hill or something and need more rpm and power its going to upshift when you don't want it to, lowering your wheel torque.
Thought the exact same thing after finishing the video. Those one way bearings will slip if they see any real torque and he built the whole system on the wrong end. It needs to be dependent on wheel speed not engine rpm to work correctly.
A similar transmission design was used in the king midget cars. You may want to add a second locking pawl to your high gear as that first one may be too weak on its own (under load at peak torque it may fail). Another way to make this transmission is with 2 centrifugal clutches (2 separate engagement rpms ex. 1600 rpm for low speed 2500rpm for high speed) a 1 one way clutch sprocket (low speed the one way clutch prevents burning the low speed centrifugal clutch shoes when in high gear) and a fixed high speed sprocket
Bloody Brilliant Rather B! I can see your next step right now! At the moment you have to pull the whole shebang apart to "toon" it. If you were to make your spring heavier, and include a very short coil spring under the head of it's holding down screw, you could "toon" it through a hole in it's sprocket boss. you may need two screws and holes, or some other method of keeping the spring captive, so it doesn't rotate.
Lots of Automotive transmissions use a similar design to Lock Transmissions or to (Mechanically / Hydraulically ) lock a trans in a gear etc by using a Weight on the input shaft from the converter , The Centrifugal force overcomes the spring force and lets the valve shift (Hydraulically ) locking the trans or converter to make it straight drive .Removes that %3 or so of trans slip .
The music is the one thing I hate about this channel. I would much rather just hear machining noises, or better yet, talking about what he's doing. The crappy music loops that so many people use drive me nuts. I had to skip ahead to the end after just a few minutes.
WOW, a lot of engineering went into that! Way back in the 60's, Rupp had a 2 speed automatic "transmission" on their TT500 mini bike. Theirs had a standard centrifugal clutch on the engine that had dual #35 chain sprockets on it. A pair of chains went to a jackshaft, one to a one way with a large sprocket (low gear) and the 2nd went to another centrifugal clutch with a smaller sprocket on it which was 2nd gear. There was only one main chain to the rear wheel. When the high gear clutch engaged the jackshaft sped up and the one way released. Whomever hires you will be lucky!!!
nice little system , especially if you want to combine both systems for both auto and manual gear selections . i can see applications for going to a awd or 4x4 as well. thanks for the videos
Just glanced at the thumbnail and thought it was a This Old Tony vid, clicked on it thinking "This sounds like something rather b welding is going to be interested in". Pleasantly surprised, nice work man.
@@norsevikingsir4932 not quite, you can still split a race with a hardened steel hammer with little force. The softer material gives you the ability to give a stronger strike without the increased risk of damaging your work. That being said, a 4lb dead blow is really all you need on bearings that size.
this is all well and good thank you for taking the time to figure it out. my thought is with this new setup you can't have reverse but with the old setup you have a 2 speed reverse
Just in the future, try and turn the ID and OD in the same setup so they will be parallel to each other. Anytime you remove part from the work holding you add misalignment, can never get totally true again with indicating in, might only be a few tenths but everything helps! Love the channel, keep up the good work!
this project right here is an example of your work you dare to build things that most people would never even think about building so the never go any further you do and for that i see you going farther than most if you don't have it you build it i see people that have huge shops with all the tools but they lack one thing a mind that knows how to think of the next better way and the passion to drive you to get it done i wouldn't change a thing you are doing i think truly you keep doing things you're way and i know you are right you will be the best and i see you doing that great job buddy you are going places
I love the concept I just worry about the strength of it. For an rc car yes but a go cart with some real weight and torque behind it i can see some stuff sheering. Can't wait to see it in action. Awesome video.
Really great idea I see what you mean when you use a thicker filler gauge 2 gear will kick in at a higher rpm. I can’t wait to see it in action.Great video
Good choice of music. That transmition seems pretty straight forward. As long as banging that latch pawl doesn't break something it should be pretty solid. If i were you, I'd use a belt drive or some kind of rubber damper on the input shaft to reduce some of the agressive forces that might happen when it shifts Geared ebike hub motors use the same one way bearings and I've heared that daily riders have them wear out in a year or 2 and they just stop gripping but you should be able to get some solid fun out of it before that happens.
As I've said a few times all you need is electric clutches. 3 would give you 3 gears timed with an adurino or paddle switches with relays for lockout purposes. Using a relay for lockout, another electric clutch for reverse.
Just adding in my own compliments on the 2 speed, and definitely for the editing and music on this one. I came for the new 2 speed, and stayed for every second of the beautiful video. Very well done sir!
That's a really interesting idea for a go-kart transmission, I hope it works out. Excellent choice of music by the way, it really added something to the video.
Awesome 👍🏻 The only problems I see are. The single drive pawl, yes a single pawl worked in an RC car. They don’t have to deal with all the weight as a vehicle your going to use this design on. Might need more then one drive pawl and the pivot pin for the drive pawl seems a little small. There’s a lot of force on that real thin pin. I see this design working with a few tweaks, 3 drive pawls and larger pawl pivot pins. Awesome builds 👍🏻👊🏻 keep up man.
I was wondering why not use a centrifugal clutch in the high gear? That's how they work and they may take the engagement forces much better. Plus you can get different materials for different grip strength also different springs for different engagement RPM. For 1st gear look up "overrun clutch" in an automatic transmission! That is PERFECT for what you're doing. Lots of rollers with wedged gear. When being driven they wedge in and drive the assembly. When going faster (like second gear) they are pushed into the reliefs and out of the wedge area by the faster moving other gear.
Pretty cool machining. I'm guessing the sprag lever and hinge pin will both have to be hardened to survive for any real serviceability. Case hardening the sprag lever would keep it from being too brittle but preserve the contact surface. But a thought.
That is pretty cool engineering. I would add some sort of friction device on the second gear, so that it is already moving when it engages. If it bangs into gear too hard it's going to shorten the life of the ratchet mechanism greatly. Lots and lots of detailed work. Well done.
Use 2 centrifugal clutches tuned to different rpm and put a sprag on them. Old timers use to run 2 different motors with 2 different gears on racing karts.
My guess was JohnnyQ90 to, but I think that will be the weakest point in the setup if it fails, needing flatter load bearing surfaces and stronger pivot linkage depending on the power of the engine, not hard to resolve. I subbed straight away because you got straight into the task without talking to much. Really looking forward to see the rest of the project, what I'd love to see is someone attempt a fluid torque converter or chainsaw clutch based version with interlocking teeth to achieve the same goal, purely for curiosity sake, just pull a chainsaw or scooter clutch, cut some teeth in it, give it a thrash and see how long lasted before chewing itself out. Oh yer, loved every metal grinding moment.
I don't think people realize the sheer amount of technical knowledge that goes into designing and machining these parts you make. Plus you do it on DIY machines in your shed! Great work man, keep it up!
Wait he made those milling machines? Omg lol
JohnnyQ90! On youtube is who you're referring to with the RC car transmission!
Johnny Q is a freaking genius.
I thought the same
yeah thats who i was thinkin too
Beat me to it, hes one smart dude I take a lot away from all these guys videos
That is exactly who I thought of when he said "another youtuber who bought an RC car with a 3 speed transmission". I watched that episode. And this is hella neat to see it scaled up!
i love how the ending was done in a "This old tony" style. by talking with his hands over a workbench.
Not just the ending. I assumed it was part of TOT's go-kart series from the thumbnail, and was really confused bout how I hadn't seen it in my subs at first.
Haha he should have a scotchbrite pad just laying off to the side!
He doesn’t have a camera man please understand it but he showed the old tony style on camera watch again
I like that he didn't explain it as he was working on it it gave the chance to try and figure out how it worked then he explained it fore anyone that didn't understand it
I think you will need something to absorb the shock when 2nd Gear engages.
Maybe a v-belt between engine and transmission or the shock absorber from a small car clutch ( the inner section of the clutch disk with 4 radial coil springs) or a combination of both, just to give the engine at least a fraction of a second to slow down.
otherwise something will break...
Watching the milling an fab is so calming with the music. If it was on tv it would be backed with death metal.
then you make like AVEs machining videos, he uses classical music. more enjoyable then this hyped up tv stuff
This is fantastic! Essentially made a centrifugal clutch for gears! It’s going to be fun figuring out the correct spring ratio and finding out how much torque the one way bearings can handle. Should be quite a bit if I remember how they work.
old sears minibikes had a similar setup, just with two centrifugal clutches and a sprag. i'd imagine this setup will be pretty jarring going between high and low, the two clutch method that sears used was very smooth
Kudos to your artistic director. You had a "Make it Extreme" vibe going on in this one; minus the heavy metal music. Very nice.
Artistic director?? Lol
Love the music selection. The combination of fabrication with the music is calming.
Its impressive that homemade lathe can be so accurate over a long distance like that shaft.
I’m a machinist. This is certifiable nice work. You did a lot of thinking ahead building that pawl. I like your solution to match drilling the hinge pin too. Grinding a clearance notch so you can drill the hole using the pawl as a drill fixture. So what else, you say? I say I like it.
I was looking at using similar one way bearings on a kart but the torque limit on them is basically nothing. I'm very interested to see how these hold up! Also on most centrifugal sprag two speed gear setups have the sprag/dog mechanism on the driven shaft(in this case the axle) and not the driver shaft. If you have problems with it shifting into second and right back, or not staying in second properly then you might want to consider this. RC two speeds have that setup where the sprag/dog is on the spur gear (driven side) and not the pinion gear (driver side)
Those one way bearings won't last hardly at all. They'll immediately break.
I was gunna comment this too, the one way clutch should be on the wheel axle side so that vehicle speed determines the shift point not the engine rpm. Else like you said, if you're trying to climb a hill or something and need more rpm and power its going to upshift when you don't want it to, lowering your wheel torque.
Thought the exact same thing after finishing the video. Those one way bearings will slip if they see any real torque and he built the whole system on the wrong end. It needs to be dependent on wheel speed not engine rpm to work correctly.
first gear could use the spring loaded lever, just sprung out instead of in.
WOW!!! That's awesome!! I'm thrilled that there is now a second two-speed transmission video out!!!
A similar transmission design was used in the king midget cars. You may want to add a second locking pawl to your high gear as that first one may be too weak on its own (under load at peak torque it may fail).
Another way to make this transmission is with 2 centrifugal clutches (2 separate engagement rpms ex. 1600 rpm for low speed 2500rpm for high speed) a 1 one way clutch sprocket (low speed the one way clutch prevents burning the low speed centrifugal clutch shoes when in high gear) and a fixed high speed sprocket
its about time some one builds something thats been in the rc world for years cant wait to see it used on one of your builds
Bloody Brilliant Rather B! I can see your next step right now! At the moment you have to pull the whole shebang apart to "toon" it. If you were to make your spring heavier, and include a very short coil spring under the head of it's holding down screw, you could "toon" it through a hole in it's sprocket boss. you may need two screws and holes, or some other method of keeping the spring captive, so it doesn't rotate.
You're spring loaded mechanism should be on the output side, as in on the rear axle.
You could also use a centrifugal clutch for second gear, which would be easier to build and tune 😉
finally, someone who understands the movement in music. Calming, yet inspiring!
Great editing and machining!
The feeler gauge springs is genius!
As a machinist and small engine enthusiast, this is one of my favorite channels
Lots of Automotive transmissions use a similar design to Lock Transmissions or to (Mechanically / Hydraulically ) lock a trans in a gear etc by using a Weight on the input shaft from the converter , The Centrifugal force overcomes the spring force and lets the valve shift (Hydraulically ) locking the trans or converter to make it straight drive .Removes that %3 or so of trans slip .
The music choice was something else and interesting, I like it a lot.
Reminds me of a Christmas movie
The music is the one thing I hate about this channel. I would much rather just hear machining noises, or better yet, talking about what he's doing. The crappy music loops that so many people use drive me nuts. I had to skip ahead to the end after just a few minutes.
@@Snugglez187 I think music can go a long way to make the vids seem more professional.
@@Snugglez187 try muting. It’s not about the “music”.
That thing is going to be sick
WOW, a lot of engineering went into that! Way back in the 60's, Rupp had a 2 speed automatic "transmission" on their TT500 mini bike. Theirs had a standard centrifugal clutch on the engine that had dual #35 chain sprockets on it. A pair of chains went to a jackshaft, one to a one way with a large sprocket (low gear) and the 2nd went to another centrifugal clutch with a smaller sprocket on it which was 2nd gear. There was only one main chain to the rear wheel. When the high gear clutch engaged the jackshaft sped up and the one way released. Whomever hires you will be lucky!!!
the right way , the centrifugal will buffer or cushion the shift ,,,this will shift like a bomb
This is very cool. The design and machining are very impressive.
Well done! That set up is Dope! You have upped your machinist skills. Your ready for another lathe.
Basically how a Tmaxx transmission works. Well RC car transmissions in general. Pretty sweet man!
that was a super satisfying video to watch and the way you explained every thing was easy to under stand. well done.
The stuff you make amazes me man! So talented!
Don't know to be more impressed with the fab skills or the video filming/editing process. Very well done.
your videos are getting towards this old tony spec with that amount of machining bud. love your work.
nice little system , especially if you want to combine both systems for both auto and manual gear selections . i can see applications for going to a awd or 4x4 as well. thanks for the videos
I really dug the music. It gave your video almost an epic film quality. Quite an interesting design. Can't wait to see what you put it on!
Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!
Workshop sound together with backgroud music is very nice
Just glanced at the thumbnail and thought it was a This Old Tony vid, clicked on it thinking "This sounds like something rather b welding is going to be interested in". Pleasantly surprised, nice work man.
awesome! the easygoing music was nice with morning coffee as well.
Somebody get this man a brass hammer lol. Using a claw hammer in the shop is never the right option, unless you're fixing the roof or something
I was wondering why he didn't press them in.
It's about force and how much you use.
Somebody get this man some cutting fluid.
@@Muglez14 How about a parting tool also?
@@norsevikingsir4932 not quite, you can still split a race with a hardened steel hammer with little force. The softer material gives you the ability to give a stronger strike without the increased risk of damaging your work. That being said, a 4lb dead blow is really all you need on bearings that size.
I remember when you built the manual and I was blown away, thought it was ingenious.
Now homeboy's like that was so old, watch this.
Just in case anyone was wondering, the channel he talks about at the end of the video that gave him inspiration for this transmission is JohnnyQ90
Awesome engineering skills, and a super chilly video!!!
I really liked the music. Very peaceful video.
Man this is genius !!!
Congratulations !
Was gonna say, just like an RC car gearbox. Good work!
this is all well and good thank you for taking the time to figure it out. my thought is with this new setup you can't have reverse but with the old setup you have a 2 speed reverse
I love the backround music😂❤️
This is called Intellectual Horsepower.
Just in the future, try and turn the ID and OD in the same setup so they will be parallel to each other. Anytime you remove part from the work holding you add misalignment, can never get totally true again with indicating in, might only be a few tenths but everything helps! Love the channel, keep up the good work!
Nice work. Love the music choise
Next level stuff always from you
Like the design. Very interesting editing style this week. Quite like it 👍
this project right here is an example of your work you dare to build things that most people would never even think about building so the never go any further you do and for that i see you going farther than most if you don't have it you build it i see people that have huge shops with all the tools but they lack one thing a mind that knows how to think of the next better way and the passion to drive you to get it done i wouldn't change a thing you are doing i think truly you keep doing things you're way and i know you are right you will be the best and i see you doing that great job buddy you are going places
Absolutely genius design! Can't wait to see it on a machine
I love the concept I just worry about the strength of it. For an rc car yes but a go cart with some real weight and torque behind it i can see some stuff sheering. Can't wait to see it in action. Awesome video.
FYI climb milling typically results in best surface finish. Given the part is held rigid through the process.
Really great idea I see what you mean when you use a thicker filler gauge 2 gear will kick in at a higher rpm. I can’t wait to see it in action.Great video
This was a brilliant video, thank you so much. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that I didn't have a clue what you were doing until the end!
Fine job, whatever the out come. Color me impressed.
Well that just sounds like a torque converter with extra steps...
Kidding, love this!
Dude I am loving this old Tony vibe going on. And I love the music
You need a parting tool. They aren't expensive. Great job.
I like the real time while your working the lathe!!
Just like my revo! 👍 Frickin awesome
Brilliant!!! Can't wait to see it work!!!
How is this two days ago?
@@ethan9659 I think some people can get early access to videos if they have a certain link to it
@@carsonhendee919 thanks, I was pretty confused
@@ethan9659 No problem
Chris you're the man bro
Awesome video! Thanks for showing us your hard work!
Good choice of music. That transmition seems pretty straight forward. As long as banging that latch pawl doesn't break something it should be pretty solid. If i were you, I'd use a belt drive or some kind of rubber damper on the input shaft to reduce some of the agressive forces that might happen when it shifts Geared ebike hub motors use the same one way bearings and I've heared that daily riders have them wear out in a year or 2 and they just stop gripping but you should be able to get some solid fun out of it before that happens.
GENIUS ! I really enjoy these milling videos, as boring as they may seem, the time lapse makes it look easy, would like to see a real time clock !
Milling ain't boring lathes are boring. Haha pun intended.
really enjoyed the build Chris 👍
Nice job man. That is a really cool design.
Brilliant idea to use the feeler gauge as a spring!
Inspiring, breathtaking....!
As I've said a few times all you need is electric clutches. 3 would give you 3 gears timed with an adurino or paddle switches with relays for lockout purposes. Using a relay for lockout, another electric clutch for reverse.
Just adding in my own compliments on the 2 speed, and definitely for the editing and music on this one.
I came for the new 2 speed, and stayed for every second of the beautiful video. Very well done sir!
That's a really interesting idea for a go-kart transmission, I hope it works out. Excellent choice of music by the way, it really added something to the video.
Love the music, very soothing
Very nice video. I really like the different style and especially the chill music. Thanks !
Great video, machining + tunes 👍👍😁
The feeler gauge spring idea is really great!
Awesome 👍🏻 The only problems I see are. The single drive pawl, yes a single pawl worked in an RC car. They don’t have to deal with all the weight as a vehicle your going to use this design on. Might need more then one drive pawl and the pivot pin for the drive pawl seems a little small. There’s a lot of force on that real thin pin. I see this design working with a few tweaks, 3 drive pawls and larger pawl pivot pins. Awesome builds 👍🏻👊🏻 keep up man.
Your weld look so good and clean
I was wondering why not use a centrifugal clutch in the high gear? That's how they work and they may take the engagement forces much better. Plus you can get different materials for different grip strength also different springs for different engagement RPM. For 1st gear look up "overrun clutch" in an automatic transmission! That is PERFECT for what you're doing. Lots of rollers with wedged gear. When being driven they wedge in and drive the assembly. When going faster (like second gear) they are pushed into the reliefs and out of the wedge area by the faster moving other gear.
Excellent, really enjoyed the music.
Amazing work once again, well done.
Chris i like the music choice for this video very enjoyable to watch and listen ad you work.
I'm really eager to see this put to use on a go kart!
That will be cool to see in the testing phase!
Pretty cool machining. I'm guessing the sprag lever and hinge pin will both have to be hardened to survive for any real serviceability. Case hardening the sprag lever would keep it from being too brittle but preserve the contact surface. But a thought.
Someone is improving their editing skills 👏
Wow, Amazing and aspiring!! Thanks for the awesome content you provide!
Gonna be cool to see on a cart...I'm excited
Excited to see how this will work on a project, good stuff
Holy crap. You never cease to amaze me keep it up brother
I enjoyed your choice of music for this video!
That is pretty cool engineering. I would add some sort of friction device on the second gear, so that it is already moving when it engages. If it bangs into gear too hard it's going to shorten the life of the ratchet mechanism greatly.
Lots and lots of detailed work. Well done.
Use 2 centrifugal clutches tuned to different rpm and put a sprag on them. Old timers use to run 2 different motors with 2 different gears on racing karts.
Love it!! Nice work!!
My guess was JohnnyQ90 to, but I think that will be the weakest point in the setup if it fails, needing flatter load bearing surfaces and stronger pivot linkage depending on the power of the engine, not hard to resolve. I subbed straight away because you got straight into the task without talking to much. Really looking forward to see the rest of the project, what I'd love to see is someone attempt a fluid torque converter or chainsaw clutch based version with interlocking teeth to achieve the same goal, purely for curiosity sake, just pull a chainsaw or scooter clutch, cut some teeth in it, give it a thrash and see how long lasted before chewing itself out. Oh yer, loved every metal grinding moment.